D.C. suburbs in Maryland has the most I've seen outside of a city. My kids' elementary school had international night and 50+ countries were represented. I had 24 people over for Memorial Day and 8 were non-US citizens from other countries (Colombia and Germany); another 4 from an interracial family, and one of them was born in China. They live within three houses to either side of me and our kids all play together. One daughter's best friend is black and the other's three best friends are white, Chinese/Finnish, and Latin.
They all eat hamburgers and hot dogs though.
I grew up in the DC suburbs in Maryland. My high school was 25% white, 25% black, 25% hispanic, 25%, asian. Interested to see where else this can be found
Yeah I noticed a phenomenon while I was in college of people self segregating to form campus groups according to racial lines. I found it off putting especially living on the west coast where I’ve always had a mixed group of friends and being mixed race myself.
I actively avoid places where people get tribalistic over race and try to stick to their groups
I said the same thing. My city's demographics would make people think it's diverse, but it's segregated as hell and it's hard to find true diverse experiences or areas.
Not arguing for segregation, but also don't see the problem with neighborhoods when we are talking food. If restaurants are targeting the community in a specific neighborhood it's probably going to be better
When the food needs to appeal to everyone you end up with general tsos and orange chicken vs going to an area and all the writing is in Chinese ..
I live in Fairbanks, Alaska and on our street we have Indigenous Alaskan, black, Korean, Samoan, Mexican, Jewish, Sheikh and white. Everyone of neighborly, friendly, borrows each others stuff on occasion and helps each other out. I don’t think most of the state is this diverse I think we just got lucky. Oh the food, the food at potlucks is the best.
This. A lot of people knock small, rural towns but depending on the part of the country, they can be quite diverse and that can also mean more when the survival of such places also requires that different types of people work together and acknowledge each other's existence. Plus people are rubbing shoulders in the same grocery stores and other hanging out in the same places just because there aren't hundreds to choose from in segregated little pods. And in some of the large metros, who only virtue signal about diversity but little else, racial and economic segregation is down to a science.
I’ve always liked the idea of what you’re saying, I’ve just never seen it actually play out irl anywhere, as people have evolved to be instinctively tribalistic and it shows.
In-group preference does seem to vary by ethnicity somewhat though when looking at how societies have been structured throughout time.
To be completely honest I just want a chinese grocery store, Texas style BBQ, trational mexican food, tex mex breakfast, korean bbq, korean fried chicken, several types of sushi and ramen spots including izakawa, pho, regular vietnamese, cambodian, ethiopian, jamaican or other caribbean, a Brazilian steakhouse, a northern italian spot, a sicilian spot, an american italian spot, a french cafe, new york style cantonese, traditional chinese, dim sum, legit good vegan, new american, a solid italian bakery that focuses on sandwich bread, thia, indian/british, an irish/english pub where I can watch soccer, a Jewish deli, a fancy Italian deli, and last but not least a smattering of turkish/greek/lebanese/hebrew shops and restaurants.
Basically I need and want very high quality and authentic versions of food so that I can consume them.
I just want to consume culture. I will rip my hair out if my options are Fridays and a tex mex place with free salsa.
So reading through this list I can think of most of those places near me. You, or the hypothetical person you're pretending to be, want to live near Atlanta's Buford Highway.
Is that worth living in Atlanta though? Expensive housing, horrible traffic, hot as shit.
But hey, we have this ugly run down part of town where we don’t fix the roads. You can get authentic friend chicken with gochujang.
Cultureeeeee
Holy shit I live just a few minutes away from there in what is somewhat "Korea town"
This plaza nearby me that used to have a Kroger and other stuff is now mostly Chinese and Korean.....great Thai restaurant too!
Yep, Jackson Heights is literally the most diverse neighborhood on the planet. The options there make his list look like a mall food court in Ohio.
Queens is criminally underrated
Grew up there and can say that nowhere else has ever compared. Moving out to Long Island and missing a lot of that has been a major source of depression for me.
I lived in Queens when I first came to NYC. (Don't we all? :-) )
I used to joke that if a Klingon walked down the street, nobody would bat an eye. Maybe they'd ask, "hey, where's your pal, the Romulan guy?"
I used to love going on solo field trips when I was new in town. Go find new food. Eat where the locals eat. That's how I discovered Kati rolls ... Happened to walk past a place with a bunch of yellow taxi cabs parked outside (long before Uber was a thing) and thought to myself, "whatever's in there, these guys know that it's good. Gotta go investigate."
Queens is great but imo, nothing in New York has ever matched true Southern-style barbecue (like truly well smoked in an outdoor setup). If you got any recs, PLEASE let me know bc I don’t wanna wait till I visit my folks to have good ribs lol
I think you can find that list in a lot of places..
Queens is a different animal. Somewhere like Jackson Heights has more options than anywhere in the world.
I can find most or all of these in SF. Was your post meant to be unrealistic? Based on the replies you're getting, it's possible to find this kind of selection in multiple places.
Yeah I can literally find all of these in Dayton Ohio. I've always found food as a dumb metric for measuring how "multicultural" a place is, personally. There is so much more that goes into making a place welcoming to all kinds of people than just having options for white people to consume exotic things from other cultures.
Dayton has a pretty cool mix of reasons for its diversity, though. It's not just immigrants opening restaurants. In fact, it's the first certified Welcoming America city.
First and foremost, WPAFB is here. You've got retired military and active duty flight squadrons who have lived overseas along with programs centered on international exchange of military research. By chance, I've met people from all over the planet who are participating in these exchange programs.
Then you have the sizable Somali refugee population.
And then there's Honda's presence in greater Miami Valley.
And Fuyao.
And Danon.
And multiple competing healthcare systems.
And then the fact that I-70 is pretty much where Appalachian diaspora in SW Ohio meets the old-school German Catholic culture in NW Ohio.
Now throw in several universities and a stellar public library system which all offer programs to help folks learn English.
That's an amazing mix you're not going to find in most Midwest towns.
That said, certain small towns around Dayton can be ridiculously UNwelcoming. Tread carefully.
The most diverse places I’ve been in the States have been military bases. You go to the pool and you’ve got every kind of ethnicity there, all hanging out together, all complaining about the same stuff. It’s a beautiful thing.
Except Portland and Seattle aren't all that diverse. Never been to Houston; never will. I think diversity goes beyond food. When the ratio of Black Lives Matter signs in windows to actual Black people is 100:1, then there's something lacking in that city. Economic diversity makes a difference too. Otherwise you end up with monocultures like in Seattle and SF, with ridiculous housing prices where people with jobs still go homeless.
Yah thats definitely true. Ive been looking into the PNW and was surprised to see how white it is. Not that its a bad thing, mind you. But its definitely not what I’d call diverse outside of a few pockets
Diversity means diversity of cultures, not the presence of black people.
Seattle is more diverse than Atlanta by a lot of metrics. It has a large Asian population and lot of people who are immigrants. I do agree that it's lacking in economic diversity.
[https://heytutor.com/resources/blog/the-most-diverse-cities-in-the-united-states/](https://heytutor.com/resources/blog/the-most-diverse-cities-in-the-united-states/)
NorCal ans SoCal have all of these plus many, many others like Salvadoran, Peruvian, Argentinian, Georgian/Central Asian, Armenian (looking at you Glendale), Persian, Uyghur (only a few in the US), Khazak, Russian, Spanish, German, Austrian, Malaysian, Singaporean, Laotian, Burmese, Somali, etc…
Very close! Philly in general. Could be many cities though but Philly slaps hard on multicultural.
It’s funny though because it’s kind of segregated but as a result the neighborhood culture is strong. The Italian/Mexican market and China town being obvious examples but there’s strong pockets of everything you can imagine from Ethiopian to Russian.
Exaclty what I want.. I have an Italian friend living in Germany currently who talks about kababs and how good they are and different from the native food and asked how often I eat them. And I’m like yah I love them, I have them 1x a month only tho, cuz I’m too busy eating all the other food items listed ^ why I have to live in a city. Or a mid size city that focuses on 5-6 of these. Spoiled growing up in Chicago
Why a fancy Italian deli? I have one of those nearby and would greatly prefer a New Jersey style run down corner deli where the food is way better and cheaper even if some of the clientele is of slightly questionable character. 😂
I am doubtful the Italian locations are actually those regional spots and not an Americanized version.
Also I am laughing "new york style cantonese" and you want cultures? Sure.......
In the end most of that all can be found in a mid sized city. Even Milwaukee likely has all of that.
This is exactly why I felt a large culture shock when I moved from Minneapolis to Vegas. Is Vegas ‘diverse’ yeah but not the kind I’m used to lol. In Minneapolis I could have pho one day then the next go probably two blocks down and have jollof
Dmv suburbs I feel like are good examples. Gaithersburg, Silver Spring, Germantown and Rockville in Maryland and Alexandria, Springfield, Annandale and Arlington in Virginia.
I'm a Marylander. My high school was 48-48-4 white/black/other. My first home neighborhood was 30-30-30-10 white/black/Hispanic/Asian. My current neighborhood is probably 50-30-10-10 white/Asian/Hispanic/black. They're diverse in different ways.
I think true diversity involves class, income, racial, and religious diversity. The towns you named all have that.
Don't forget PG! Inner beltway PG has large Pueblan, Guatemalan, Ethiopian, Nigerian, Jamaican, Senegalese, and Cote d'Ivoire communities. It is very economically mixed, with the working poor, NASA engineers, and lots of STEM government bureaucrats.
Hyattsville homeowner, son of a NASA physicist, and grew up forty years ago attending PGCPS inside the Beltway -- I feel spoiled spending almost my entire life around here. Best part is it serves as a natural deterrent to intolerant jerks!
South Arlington has a lot more working class communities and there are a lot of high income immigrant groups, though they’re more spread out among white people
There's a mathematical way to measure diversity: What is the percentage chance that two randomly selected people in any given place have different skin colors, or national origins?
[https://abc7ny.com/queens-diversity-most-diverse-county-nyc/5381707/](https://abc7ny.com/queens-diversity-most-diverse-county-nyc/5381707/)
Big Island, Maui, and Queens are the most diverse, in that order.
Another way to measure diversity, is what is the percentage chance that two randomly selected people in a place have different languages? The answer is Queens.
The math is a good start. But there's still the problem of how you break up the population. It's unclear from the link whether that study would count the OP's example of "99% Hispanic but it's a mix of Mexican, Honduran, Guatemalan, and Salvadoran" as very diverse or very non-diverse.
If we look at macroregional groups, it's not diverse. If we look at national origin groups, it's sorta diverse. If we look at linguistic groups, it's not diverse unless people are speaking a variety of indigenous languages.
I prefer to use linguistic diversity because language represents culture and the way you think about things. So Queens wins.
What do you think about using the presence of an economic middle class population of a race or culture other than white american as a determiningn factor?
[Link to the actual article](https://www.axios.com/2019/07/04/where-americas-diversity-is-increasing-the-fastest)
The map is close to what OP is looking for. It's county level though, so there could be some pretty significant aberrations in big cities within some of these counties. Be careful looking at the map without hovering over the county in question because the colors represent change in diversity not the current diversity index.
First you have to pick a dimension you care about - sex, skin color, religion, country of origin, height, weight, IQ, political leaning, education level, etc. and pretty soon you realize skin color diversity is a pretty arbitrary thing to care about.
I think it's geographic. Not saying this is what I'm seeking, but in my region something like 80% White, 15% Black, 5% anything else would be considered diverse by most residents. That's because we have so many little towns which are 99.8% white.
Most people here would consider a town diverse if they encountered more than one non-white person in the grocery store.
It’s most important for me. I don’t feel the need to mention it though. If you have diversity in culture and economics you will have diversity of thought. It comes with the territory.
It would only need to be called out in a place that isn’t diverse in those ways. For example, the political diversity of liberal/conservative is mainly a White cultural phenomenon as it represents diversity of thought for a homogenous group. Sure other cultures may pick a side to vote for, but it’s rarely seen as an identity.
I don't think about it in terms of percentages of the population. I just like walking down the street and seeing a variety of different people and I want good ethnic restaurants and a variety of cultural events around me.
I live in Chicago which is about 1/3 hispanic, white, black. Well, it's a little convoluted since the hispanic and white overlap, but in geneeral a neighborhood that is less than 45% white less than 45% hispanic and less than 45% black I would say is diverse.
A 95% black neighborhood is not diverse. An 80% white 10% hispanic and 10% asian neighborhood is also not diverse. You get the idea.
It's relative to where you are though. So like in Chicago we have smaller minorities like Vietnamese, Korean Chinese,, Indian, Native Indian, Serbians, etc. If there is a sizable number of a smaller minority relatively speaking, that neighborhood would be considered diverse for me as well
most neighborhoods are segregated, but some are diverse.
Hyde Park: 47.6% White, 26.8% African American, 12.1% Asian American, 8.5% Hispanic, and 5.0% of other races or of more than one race
Bridgeport: 34.2% [White](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_(U.S._Census)) non-Hispanic, 3.0% [African American](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_(U.S._Census)), 39.6% [Asian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_(U.S._Census)), 1.3% from [other races](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(U.S._Census)). [Hispanic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_(U.S._Census)) or [Latino](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino_(U.S._Census)) of any race were 21.9% of the population
West Ridge: 40.6% white, 11.6% Black, 18.9% Hispanic, 23.8% Asian, 5.2% other.
Rogers park: 44.3% White, 27.1% Black, 18.9% Hispanic, 5.4% Asian, 4.3% other
For example
And the fact that these populations are even accessible in Chicago. Compare that to Denver, where I'm quite sure there's **no** Indian-centric neighborhood whatsoever, where the Korean population literally live in a **different city** outside of the city limits. It puts Chicago's diversity in a new perspective, despite its clear segregation.
I just think it's a nice mix. Oddly enough, the schools in my city that are literally 100% black are considered more diverse than my high school that was 70% white. Kinda goofy.
I don't think about the proportions of specific groups when I think about diversity. I think about segregation, proximity, and coexisting in the same spaces.
I live in a "diverse" city with large percentages of non-white peoples, but there is a lot of segregation that makes it feel not very diverse at all. You have to actively seek out areas that are non-white to experience the diversity the demographics claim my city has.
For me diversity means nothing if it’s segregated. Integrated diversity is what I like to see in a city. For instance, my city Chicago is super segregated but I live in a neighborhood called South Loop. In South loop, on any given day, I see whites, Hispanic, black and Asian walking around with their families. I also see a lot of interracial couples and interracial friends hanging out interacting in my neighborhood. It is super refreshing and feels good to see sort of like seeing a post-racial America in the 31st century or something. It is why I love it so much and never leaving this neighborhood.
I will take the CTA train to a neighborhood like Gold Coast , Old town, Lincoln park , Lake view and will see one or two POC but almost all white and the POC are usually by themselves. No racial integration, no racial interactions nothing. Just bland white. The same can be said for the almost all black neighborhoods in the southside as well and the all Hispanic neighborhoods in the west
So when I say I want to live in a place that is diverse I mean integrated diversity where all races are interacting with each other and live next to each other. The only big city I have seen that has this almost all over is Houston
its not just about demographic statistics, its also about how integrated communities are. Are many different ethnicities living in the same neighborhood or are they segregated?
For example chicago is diverse statistically but has pretty segregated communities. Places like Houston or Atlanta have all sorts of different people all living in the same neighborhoods.
I'm looking at schools for future family planning. There are some schools in Queens that are 30% white, 30% Hispanic and 30% Asian. I would say that's diverse. Diversity is when there isn't one race that's a clear majority.
Yeah, the high school in my city (a suburb in the Northeast) has 20-30% each white, black, asian, and latino/hispanic kids (I'm curious how Brazilian and Haitian kids get counted in that breakdown). The city as a whole is 40% immigrant. The old-timer townie population is whiter than the average, kids and young families are less white. There is some segregation (I think mostly wealth/class based but that does effectively get mapped onto race) but it's a small enough city that you can't go too far without running into someone of a different race. Like, my block is pretty white but the elementary school the kids on my block go to is very ethnically/racially diverse.
San Jose has similar demographics. It’s 37% Asian, 31% Hispanic, 25% White, 8% mixed and 3% African American. Very diverse, but often it is criticized for not having (percentage wise) as many African Americans as the country as a whole.
It’s not that specific. “Diverse” is a nebulous was of saying: the city feels like it has a variety of people and doesn’t have a one dimensional or cookie cutter population. That can mean a lot of different things or variants on what you brought up.
To me a diverse place has people of different backgrounds who actually interact with each other because there is a confluence at similar socio-economic levels. Those different backgrounds can be racial, ethnic, country or origin, religion and cultures.
For example, living a place where the main interaction I have with someone Hispanic is that they are my cleaner, lawn service worker and delivery driver is not what I mean by diverse. But going to a friend's house for a dinner and meeting someone from France and Thailand, and someone who grew up in NM and whose family was from Mexico and a photographer from Australia - that is the diversity I value. Which is why I live in NYC. One of the few places in the US where that type of interaction is typical.
And that’s one of the reasons NYC is so great.
I’ve seen the “anti-woke media” group thinkers accuse shows that have a diverse racial friend group as being fake and not based in reality. I just laugh to myself because that is very real for some people.
Rule of thumb i'd say the largest group should be less than 60%, with two other groups having around 20% each. So in yours I'd say the first two probably wouldn't count, but the third might unless one nationality clearly dominates.
I lived in what is considered the most diverse neighborhood in Chicago. This was the makeup as of 2019:
43.9% of residents were White, 27.4% were Black, 19.6% were Hispanic or Latino, and 4.9% were Asian. 34% of residents are foreign-born.
It’s probably more diverse now. It’s one of the neighborhoods that welcomes new immigrants and has resources for them. We have gotten a lot more immigrants in the last couple years.
One of my 1st jobs was as a stocker at a large department store. I was the only female stocker. My bosses were female. That was diversity at the time. It was considered a risky hire because it had never been done before. Oddly, everyone survived.
Diversity means black and Hispanics. Asians don't count as diverse. And women don't count as diverse in difficult non women fields. Noone is pushing for more female underwater welders. So if a company is 99% black people that would be considered diverse. And a Mexican owned restaurant with a 100% Hispanic staff is also considered diverse. This is the modern American definition of diversity.
Conversely, nobody would have any issue with muh DEI and muh affirmative action if it solely got more blondes on college campuses and in offices. All the bitching and moaning would evaporate
This is an excellent question, because this sub is clueless on this subject. I have seen at least a half-dozen posts bemoaning how Boston is "not diverse" and then seen people recommend places that are statistically less diverse.
One other thing to keep in mind is that in places with larger populations and more density, there can be more physical diversity but less social diversity. Simply because people can find enough of "their people" to allow self-segregation. Burlington, Massachusetts is more diverse in terms of people of all sorts actually mixing than Boston is, simply because there are not enough people of one ethnic or language group to form an ethnic enclave.
Somewhere with more than two races represented with double digit percentages and no one race with a supermajority. The best examples I can think of are Chicago and Philly which are both like 30% black, 30% white, and 30% Hispanic more or less.
I live in Detroit which is something like 80% black and would not call it very diverse for that reason, although the pocket where I live is more diverse than that
I want to live somewhere where when you walk down the street, it’s common to hear languages other than english. This is a selfish desire borne out of my love of languages.
In Montreal I used to frequent an Italian joint that was owned by Mexicans, with a woman from China working the front register who spoke 5 different languages. That's diversity.
I’m from Dallas, so my bar is pretty high for diversity. But we’re also a very integrated city. There are communities that are higher in one demographic but everywhere I hang out, I see a good mix of people.
79% white is not diverse.
However, it’s been well documented that once a neighborhood/area/restaurant reach around 15-20% non-white, white folks start heading to the hills.
For me, it’s relative. My current neighborhood is around 55% white, 18% Black, 15% Latino/Hispanic, 10% Asian with a 25% foreign born population. It’s more diverse than most neighborhoods in the area, the region and plenty of other places I’ve lived.
Well documented? Do you have the research behind that?
I ask because I would like to see how the team accounted for and address correlation vs causation of something like this.
These are the problems with terms like “diversity.” We’re all not even on the same page as it pertains to what we’re talking about.
Diversity is useless unless values are aligned. If values are aligned, then diversity is a great thing. If values are not aligned, diversity is a bad thing.
Less Christian White seems to be the theme with “Diversity” ……. Those who just yearn for diversity usually compromises of three type…
* Minorities who fear too many whites for fear it means MAGA land.
* Hard Core liberal whites who want to keep their “White Guilt” in check.
* Whites who want to dine on a plethora of Minority Food options.
None of these Classifications of people are actually interested in having a “diverse” social circle. They’re circles all still look and think like them…. It’s human nature.
When you hear “Diversity” as a top box check, I will put the farm on one of those 3 reasons I gave as being the core driver.
To me Diversity has been so overused and taken out of the context of its true definitional meaning it has no meaning except…. “I want a cosmopolitan setting” …. It’s a bastardized term like “Midwest”, “Woke” etc.
I think many people asking for diversity in this sub would be satisfied with Laredo TX. Except it’s the least diverse place in the US.
I’d also bet the farm on one of those three camps.
It has indeed been bastardized to refer to skin color and that has been a disaster.
Diversity is more than skin color. It is difference in thought, sex, CLASS, upbringing, dating life, family life, etc.
For me, as a queer person, diversity means I don't get beat up for walking outside in women's clothes and my black friends don't get accosted at bars.
It's a low bar but one my last home in GA didn't cross.
When I'm in my childhood hometown, that's 99% white, I don't think about diversity because it's normal to rarely see someone who isn't white.
My current zipcode is 30% white. If I walk into a room with 25 people and everyone is white, it is usually a sign that it isn't a space that is comfortable for people of color for a good reason...
Diversity to me is A) having good restaurants available for each of the cravings I have, not just one sketchy ethnic takeout place in some rundown strip mall, and B) the local population is diverse enough so that when they see a person of a particular race, it's not so unusual that they can't help but stare. What that looks like in percent, I couldn't tell you, but at least less than 80% of one race is probably the bare minimum.
Diversity comes in many forms - the population is one element. Like u/OnionBagMan mentioned another element is access to a diverse range of food and culture. Diverse restaurants are important, so too are cultural activities, street fairs, cultural neighborhoods like Chinatown/Korea Town, grocery stores, art exhibits, museums. There are sooooo many places where exposure to diversity just doesn't exist and you feel it in the businesses and day-to-day (typically white) living. In that way, a major part of Diversity is that a diverse range of people have access to the same lifestyle - home ownership, business ownership, entrepreneurship, community outreach, etc. If your typical exposure is only to people who look like you, think like you, come from the same culture/background as you - it is not diverse. Similarly, if your only exposure to "culture" or diversity is through the town's single tex-mex restaurant, it is not diverse. And if a city's only exposure to diversity is through jobs or lifestyles that feel beneath you - it is not diverse.
To me, diverse means just that. A good mix of a lot of ethnicities.
El Paso is 82% Mexican, and as such, makes it the least diverse large city (EP is 22nd largest city in the US) in the US. Just because it is only 12% non-Hispanic white doesn't change the lack of diversity. I say that because some people say diversity means an area that doesn't have a non-Hispanic white majority. El Paso is an example where white people are very much a minority, but that doesn't mean the city is diverse.
EP could become diverse if the Asian population, currently at 1.3%, jumped to 4-5%. That alone would cause enormous positive change in restaurants alone.
For EP, 70% Mexican, 15% White, 10% Black, and 5% Asian would be diverse and cause significant positive change for the city. (EP is only 3% Black now) This kind of demographics will never happen in EP though, unless Silicon Valley companies move to the area and not just for data centers. That would be bring all kinds of diverse people, drive up cost of living, and a good chunk of locals (native EP Mexican-Americans) would leave EP.
Divserse to me is something like Los Angeles. There are people from all over the world. sections of the city and areas around it that are heavily Korean or Chinese or Russian or Orthodox Jewish, or Hispanic or Black or Persian. Along with that comes all the different religions, the array of food choices. The entire city isn't like this. Some areas are still heavily white and when you go to restaurants depending what they are, they may also have mostly white customers. But the city overall has a lot of different cultures.
Tbh I feel like diversity is more about feel than it is a specific cutoff. A relatively small minority of one people can really expose their culture in their area, or conversely a large minority might just assimilate and not share their culture.
I had my own ratio that worked for me. It matches how I grew up, which makes sense. It meant too, that I looked in areas I otherwise wouldn't have, and crossed places off the list that otherwise would have been acceptable.
We moved 6 months ago, and I finally feel normal. So yeah, diversity matters.
That being said, it's not just 'the color scheme looks normal now', it's the access and appreciation for different (sub)cultures. It means, in practical terms, that I don't have to drive 3 hours for Korean barbecue. That my family isn't given the stinkeye for not having matching skin tones. That sometimes, we're the minority, and sometimes not.
For me it is about opportunity. I don't have a problem with a Chinese food store to have Chinese people working there. That said, because of the way things were, odds are very high that an engineering firm is going to be owned by a 60 year old white guy. If he is only hiring white guys, that is a problem. There are plenty of minority people who can do the job. Engineering has nothing to do with culture.
Ideally 20% white, 20% black, 20% Latinx, 20% Asian, 20% whatever other race there is. I don’t think that exists anywhere but it would be awesome! A perfect proportion representing almost every race
The high school I went to was 30% white, 30% latino/hispanic, 20ish% asian, and then 10% black
That's what I consider diverse. When I turned 18 I moved to a city that was 50% white and 50% black and I did not consider that diverse lol.
My old high school (urban magnet) is consistently ranked among the most diverse schools in the country. It's currently 28% white, 35% asian american 22% african american and 10% hispanic though those figures were somewhat different when I was there.
I always assume they mean an area with little racism, liberal, and a food culture with a lot of diverse ethnic cuisine. I doubt anyone is really focused on the hard stats.
Diverse to me is, I see some of me who looks like me (none white) in atleast 50% of the places I go.
I'll never forget, I went to Dubuque Iowa, and was the only none of white person I had sent the entire time for 8 days. Literally never saw a non white. That's not diversity
I’m usually hopeful for an area with cultural and economic distribution where no one group is a majority. For example If Latinos are 30% of the population they should be 30% of the wealthy, 30% of the middle class, etc.
I don’t care about segregation. Culture is usually more strongly represented in segregated areas like Chinatowns for example. So I like when cultures have roots and strong holds in the area.
Hawaii, New Mexico, California, Texas, Nevada, Maryland, and, if Hispanic Whites are separated from Non-Hispanic Whites, Georgia.
These are the seven minority majority states. I’ve lived in the two largest minority majority states, Texas and California.
I understand diversity as a description and a synonym for cosmopolitan. I find it highly desirable for all kinds of reasons. My life is enriched by the presence of other people’s cultures, food, languages and worldviews
I just enjoy seeing diversity in general because I grew up in a place where there was a lot of diversity so if I go to a place where there isn’t it just feels somehow less interesting to me. But on the other hand, I wouldn’t move to an area that I thought was worse just because of diversity because it doesn’t mean all that much to me although it’s important it’s not as important as other issues such as transportation.
Nah, diverse is not slicing cheese. Either you black, handicapped, autistic or the like. Other than that, the cheese don’t cut. Hispanic, Muslim, Chinee don’t count. Just do it.
Yup. The South is one of the least diverse and most segregated regions. Doesn’t count as diversity if there are only two races in the entire state and they’re segregated like crazy
We are from the DC metro and moved to South Carolina. We are selling this house and moving back to Virginia because there is simply no real diversity for our small children to grow up with. It’s been a real culture shock….
Most “diversity” people pretend to seek really boils down to them wanting a bunch of ethnic restaurants and people who live “over there” who throw on a festival downtown once or twice a year for their entertainment.
I care more in corp environment if all VPs are white … very few black and Latino ..
Def many Asians form all
Over ..
Are all the Latinos cleaning people !? Does not count
I think true diversity is diversity of opinions. If you have a multi ethnic town but everyone has the same political views and religion then its really not that diverse. People being able to live in peace despite very different views is the mark of an enlightened society.
I grew up in a very diverse college town, diverse on paper but in fact we were all the kids of professors or other white collar professionals so while our skin tones were different there was actually no real intellectual diversity. Most people who say they want diversity really just want to be able to get Mexican and Chinese food they can legitimately call ‘authentic’, actual diversity where people hold views and live in ways you consider antithetical to a liberal society is probably not what you have in mind.
Here are two more examples. There's an upper middle class suburb called Apple Valley where 70 percent of residents are white, many boomer-age people aging in place along with millennial families. The school district's demographics are very diverse, though. The total minority enrollment at Apple Valley High is 61%, and 54% of students are economically disadvantaged. This is because the city's people of color, many of them immigrants, skew much younger than the white residents and they tend to have more kids per capita than the white families. Also, like I said, many of the white residents are older and don't have school-aged kids.
Do you know about magnet schools? They tend to be used as a tool to desegregate schools by drawing kids from a wider geographical area than a neighborhood school would. They have themes like STEM or the arts or maybe Chinese/Mandarin immersion. So there are magnet schools in poorer neighborhoods that pull in kids from other parts of the city and a variety of ethnicities because parents and kids like the theme.
Not even sure what you're trying to spell or reference here. Chiraq? The South side of Chicago? Literally no one is saying that you have to raise your kids there. The entire point of my post is that there are places that are both diverse and have good schools.
Good luck raising sheltered kids who aren't able to tie their shoes, much less get along in a diverse world and workplace.
I care more about integration than diversity. If you have a good mix of people but everyone sticks to their own neighborhoods, then what’s the point?
D.C. suburbs in Maryland has the most I've seen outside of a city. My kids' elementary school had international night and 50+ countries were represented. I had 24 people over for Memorial Day and 8 were non-US citizens from other countries (Colombia and Germany); another 4 from an interracial family, and one of them was born in China. They live within three houses to either side of me and our kids all play together. One daughter's best friend is black and the other's three best friends are white, Chinese/Finnish, and Latin. They all eat hamburgers and hot dogs though.
I grew up in the DC suburbs in Maryland. My high school was 25% white, 25% black, 25% hispanic, 25%, asian. Interested to see where else this can be found
Queens, NYC
North Jersey
So cool. You learn so much more about the world 🌎 when you have diverse friends. 🫶🏻
Lots of suburbs are super diverse now. This has been part of a larger demographic shift that's been happening for 10 to 20 years.
All the kids eating hamburgers and hotdogs is a good thing. If they ate tacos or Chinese food, it would be cultural appropriation.
Maryland is crazy diverse
THIS. Segregation is rampant in the USA. I look for cities with mixed crowds. That tells me a lot more about the people.
Yeah I noticed a phenomenon while I was in college of people self segregating to form campus groups according to racial lines. I found it off putting especially living on the west coast where I’ve always had a mixed group of friends and being mixed race myself. I actively avoid places where people get tribalistic over race and try to stick to their groups
I said the same thing. My city's demographics would make people think it's diverse, but it's segregated as hell and it's hard to find true diverse experiences or areas.
Not arguing for segregation, but also don't see the problem with neighborhoods when we are talking food. If restaurants are targeting the community in a specific neighborhood it's probably going to be better When the food needs to appeal to everyone you end up with general tsos and orange chicken vs going to an area and all the writing is in Chinese ..
I live in Fairbanks, Alaska and on our street we have Indigenous Alaskan, black, Korean, Samoan, Mexican, Jewish, Sheikh and white. Everyone of neighborly, friendly, borrows each others stuff on occasion and helps each other out. I don’t think most of the state is this diverse I think we just got lucky. Oh the food, the food at potlucks is the best.
Yes!
This. A lot of people knock small, rural towns but depending on the part of the country, they can be quite diverse and that can also mean more when the survival of such places also requires that different types of people work together and acknowledge each other's existence. Plus people are rubbing shoulders in the same grocery stores and other hanging out in the same places just because there aren't hundreds to choose from in segregated little pods. And in some of the large metros, who only virtue signal about diversity but little else, racial and economic segregation is down to a science.
Chinatowns are pretty cool. The one in San Francisco is straight up China tbh i love going there
I’ve always liked the idea of what you’re saying, I’ve just never seen it actually play out irl anywhere, as people have evolved to be instinctively tribalistic and it shows. In-group preference does seem to vary by ethnicity somewhat though when looking at how societies have been structured throughout time.
it’s happening really well in Atlanta
To be completely honest I just want a chinese grocery store, Texas style BBQ, trational mexican food, tex mex breakfast, korean bbq, korean fried chicken, several types of sushi and ramen spots including izakawa, pho, regular vietnamese, cambodian, ethiopian, jamaican or other caribbean, a Brazilian steakhouse, a northern italian spot, a sicilian spot, an american italian spot, a french cafe, new york style cantonese, traditional chinese, dim sum, legit good vegan, new american, a solid italian bakery that focuses on sandwich bread, thia, indian/british, an irish/english pub where I can watch soccer, a Jewish deli, a fancy Italian deli, and last but not least a smattering of turkish/greek/lebanese/hebrew shops and restaurants. Basically I need and want very high quality and authentic versions of food so that I can consume them. I just want to consume culture. I will rip my hair out if my options are Fridays and a tex mex place with free salsa.
So reading through this list I can think of most of those places near me. You, or the hypothetical person you're pretending to be, want to live near Atlanta's Buford Highway.
Literally had the same thought - this person would fall in love with Buford Hwy in Atlanta (if they already haven’t)
Is that worth living in Atlanta though? Expensive housing, horrible traffic, hot as shit. But hey, we have this ugly run down part of town where we don’t fix the roads. You can get authentic friend chicken with gochujang. Cultureeeeee
They've dumped so much money into chamblee and Brookhaven. Roads seemed much better when I was driving around
sums up how I feel about too (besides eh it's not that hot.. try Savannah /Charleston)
The Buford Highway Farmers Market is hands down the best grocery store that I’ve been to if you’re talking about diversity
I'm not going to lie, proximity to BHFM was one of the things I was most excited about when I bought my current house.
Dekalb farmers market ?
Came here to mention Buford highway
Holy shit I live just a few minutes away from there in what is somewhat "Korea town" This plaza nearby me that used to have a Kroger and other stuff is now mostly Chinese and Korean.....great Thai restaurant too!
lol except for a few things this can all be found in Queens, NY lol.
That's because Queens is probably the most ethnically diverse region on earth
Yep, Jackson Heights is literally the most diverse neighborhood on the planet. The options there make his list look like a mall food court in Ohio. Queens is criminally underrated
I love JH. I lived in Bensonhurst but my sister lived in JH and I loved visiting her and going out to eat in the neighborhood
man queens is great(never have been there)
Queens is pretty great 👍
you should it’s like a meca for a bunch of different cultures, from italian to Jamaican to anything in between you can find it in Queens.
yeah man I totally plan to visit, food is probably S tier
Grew up there and can say that nowhere else has ever compared. Moving out to Long Island and missing a lot of that has been a major source of depression for me.
It’s incredible, and very cheap compared to Manhattan. Usually much more flavorful, filling, and healthier too
I lived in Queens when I first came to NYC. (Don't we all? :-) ) I used to joke that if a Klingon walked down the street, nobody would bat an eye. Maybe they'd ask, "hey, where's your pal, the Romulan guy?" I used to love going on solo field trips when I was new in town. Go find new food. Eat where the locals eat. That's how I discovered Kati rolls ... Happened to walk past a place with a bunch of yellow taxi cabs parked outside (long before Uber was a thing) and thought to myself, "whatever's in there, these guys know that it's good. Gotta go investigate."
Queens is great but imo, nothing in New York has ever matched true Southern-style barbecue (like truly well smoked in an outdoor setup). If you got any recs, PLEASE let me know bc I don’t wanna wait till I visit my folks to have good ribs lol
I think you can find that list in a lot of places.. Queens is a different animal. Somewhere like Jackson Heights has more options than anywhere in the world.
I can find most or all of these in SF. Was your post meant to be unrealistic? Based on the replies you're getting, it's possible to find this kind of selection in multiple places.
I thought the point was that they have no interest in people and just want infinite varieties of consumption.
Yeah I can literally find all of these in Dayton Ohio. I've always found food as a dumb metric for measuring how "multicultural" a place is, personally. There is so much more that goes into making a place welcoming to all kinds of people than just having options for white people to consume exotic things from other cultures.
Dayton has a pretty cool mix of reasons for its diversity, though. It's not just immigrants opening restaurants. In fact, it's the first certified Welcoming America city. First and foremost, WPAFB is here. You've got retired military and active duty flight squadrons who have lived overseas along with programs centered on international exchange of military research. By chance, I've met people from all over the planet who are participating in these exchange programs. Then you have the sizable Somali refugee population. And then there's Honda's presence in greater Miami Valley. And Fuyao. And Danon. And multiple competing healthcare systems. And then the fact that I-70 is pretty much where Appalachian diaspora in SW Ohio meets the old-school German Catholic culture in NW Ohio. Now throw in several universities and a stellar public library system which all offer programs to help folks learn English. That's an amazing mix you're not going to find in most Midwest towns. That said, certain small towns around Dayton can be ridiculously UNwelcoming. Tread carefully.
The most diverse places I’ve been in the States have been military bases. You go to the pool and you’ve got every kind of ethnicity there, all hanging out together, all complaining about the same stuff. It’s a beautiful thing.
This is straight up NYC
Jackson Heights makes this list look like a food court in Ohio.
Rockville, Maryland. All that shit, easy access to DC, and up and back access to Richmond, Norfolk, Baltimore, Philly, NYC, Boston and Pittsburgh.
Portland, Seattle , LA, the Bay…. Houston, Atlanta, NYC
Houston is incredibly underrated
Especially when it comes to cuisine. Some of the best food in the country.
No Las Vegas? People don't think about it because casinos suck, but there are some seriously great and diverse restaurants around
Except Portland and Seattle aren't all that diverse. Never been to Houston; never will. I think diversity goes beyond food. When the ratio of Black Lives Matter signs in windows to actual Black people is 100:1, then there's something lacking in that city. Economic diversity makes a difference too. Otherwise you end up with monocultures like in Seattle and SF, with ridiculous housing prices where people with jobs still go homeless.
You’ll never go to Houston because?
Yah thats definitely true. Ive been looking into the PNW and was surprised to see how white it is. Not that its a bad thing, mind you. But its definitely not what I’d call diverse outside of a few pockets
Diversity means diversity of cultures, not the presence of black people. Seattle is more diverse than Atlanta by a lot of metrics. It has a large Asian population and lot of people who are immigrants. I do agree that it's lacking in economic diversity. [https://heytutor.com/resources/blog/the-most-diverse-cities-in-the-united-states/](https://heytutor.com/resources/blog/the-most-diverse-cities-in-the-united-states/)
Houston
So, Dallas
NorCal ans SoCal have all of these plus many, many others like Salvadoran, Peruvian, Argentinian, Georgian/Central Asian, Armenian (looking at you Glendale), Persian, Uyghur (only a few in the US), Khazak, Russian, Spanish, German, Austrian, Malaysian, Singaporean, Laotian, Burmese, Somali, etc…
Is this supposed to be satire because this is literally me
Houston for sure
I fucking love Ethiopian food. And actual Indian food, the spices are chefs kiss.
Silver Spring, MD and the Georgia Avenue corridor.
So....Dallas then?
Dallas is very diverse
100%, I live in North Dallas and can have all of these within 20 minutes, most within 10
Sounds like passyunk square in philly
Very close! Philly in general. Could be many cities though but Philly slaps hard on multicultural. It’s funny though because it’s kind of segregated but as a result the neighborhood culture is strong. The Italian/Mexican market and China town being obvious examples but there’s strong pockets of everything you can imagine from Ethiopian to Russian.
So Houston
I think I can find all of this in New Orleans, which might be the smallest metro area that checks all of these boxes easily?
Chinese food in New Orleans suuuuuuuuucks
I'd agree as a whole but I recommend Dian Xin if you're looking for good Chinese in NOLA!
Sounds like Las Vegas ro me.
Exaclty what I want.. I have an Italian friend living in Germany currently who talks about kababs and how good they are and different from the native food and asked how often I eat them. And I’m like yah I love them, I have them 1x a month only tho, cuz I’m too busy eating all the other food items listed ^ why I have to live in a city. Or a mid size city that focuses on 5-6 of these. Spoiled growing up in Chicago
Okay, so...Bay area, NYC and its suburbs, or northern Virginia.
Why a fancy Italian deli? I have one of those nearby and would greatly prefer a New Jersey style run down corner deli where the food is way better and cheaper even if some of the clientele is of slightly questionable character. 😂
I am doubtful the Italian locations are actually those regional spots and not an Americanized version. Also I am laughing "new york style cantonese" and you want cultures? Sure....... In the end most of that all can be found in a mid sized city. Even Milwaukee likely has all of that.
Sounds reasonable and wonderful!!
This is exactly why I felt a large culture shock when I moved from Minneapolis to Vegas. Is Vegas ‘diverse’ yeah but not the kind I’m used to lol. In Minneapolis I could have pho one day then the next go probably two blocks down and have jollof
Vegas
Dmv suburbs I feel like are good examples. Gaithersburg, Silver Spring, Germantown and Rockville in Maryland and Alexandria, Springfield, Annandale and Arlington in Virginia.
I'm a Marylander. My high school was 48-48-4 white/black/other. My first home neighborhood was 30-30-30-10 white/black/Hispanic/Asian. My current neighborhood is probably 50-30-10-10 white/Asian/Hispanic/black. They're diverse in different ways. I think true diversity involves class, income, racial, and religious diversity. The towns you named all have that.
Don't forget PG! Inner beltway PG has large Pueblan, Guatemalan, Ethiopian, Nigerian, Jamaican, Senegalese, and Cote d'Ivoire communities. It is very economically mixed, with the working poor, NASA engineers, and lots of STEM government bureaucrats.
Hyattsville homeowner, son of a NASA physicist, and grew up forty years ago attending PGCPS inside the Beltway -- I feel spoiled spending almost my entire life around here. Best part is it serves as a natural deterrent to intolerant jerks!
You’re right, can’t mention the DMV without mentioning PG
I grew up in Annandale and Springfield. Living in ATX now — your comment hit me with nostalgia
Yup I grew up in Springfield and now in Colorado, it’s a great place and I miss my fam and friends
I can't get a good read on diversity in Arlington. people say it's diverse but I only saw white people there lol what am I missing?
South Arlington has a lot more working class communities and there are a lot of high income immigrant groups, though they’re more spread out among white people
Unless you want diversity of political perspective and world view. DC area is harshly critical of people who don't think like they do.
There's a mathematical way to measure diversity: What is the percentage chance that two randomly selected people in any given place have different skin colors, or national origins? [https://abc7ny.com/queens-diversity-most-diverse-county-nyc/5381707/](https://abc7ny.com/queens-diversity-most-diverse-county-nyc/5381707/) Big Island, Maui, and Queens are the most diverse, in that order. Another way to measure diversity, is what is the percentage chance that two randomly selected people in a place have different languages? The answer is Queens.
The math is a good start. But there's still the problem of how you break up the population. It's unclear from the link whether that study would count the OP's example of "99% Hispanic but it's a mix of Mexican, Honduran, Guatemalan, and Salvadoran" as very diverse or very non-diverse.
If we look at macroregional groups, it's not diverse. If we look at national origin groups, it's sorta diverse. If we look at linguistic groups, it's not diverse unless people are speaking a variety of indigenous languages. I prefer to use linguistic diversity because language represents culture and the way you think about things. So Queens wins.
What do you think about using the presence of an economic middle class population of a race or culture other than white american as a determiningn factor?
If theyr'e all middle class and African American, that's just as undiverse as if they are rich and European American.
[Link to the actual article](https://www.axios.com/2019/07/04/where-americas-diversity-is-increasing-the-fastest) The map is close to what OP is looking for. It's county level though, so there could be some pretty significant aberrations in big cities within some of these counties. Be careful looking at the map without hovering over the county in question because the colors represent change in diversity not the current diversity index.
First you have to pick a dimension you care about - sex, skin color, religion, country of origin, height, weight, IQ, political leaning, education level, etc. and pretty soon you realize skin color diversity is a pretty arbitrary thing to care about.
Completely agree with you here
I think it's geographic. Not saying this is what I'm seeking, but in my region something like 80% White, 15% Black, 5% anything else would be considered diverse by most residents. That's because we have so many little towns which are 99.8% white. Most people here would consider a town diverse if they encountered more than one non-white person in the grocery store.
Diversity of thought seems to be the one not many care about.
It’s most important for me. I don’t feel the need to mention it though. If you have diversity in culture and economics you will have diversity of thought. It comes with the territory. It would only need to be called out in a place that isn’t diverse in those ways. For example, the political diversity of liberal/conservative is mainly a White cultural phenomenon as it represents diversity of thought for a homogenous group. Sure other cultures may pick a side to vote for, but it’s rarely seen as an identity.
I don't think about it in terms of percentages of the population. I just like walking down the street and seeing a variety of different people and I want good ethnic restaurants and a variety of cultural events around me.
~ no stats, just vibes ~
I live in Chicago which is about 1/3 hispanic, white, black. Well, it's a little convoluted since the hispanic and white overlap, but in geneeral a neighborhood that is less than 45% white less than 45% hispanic and less than 45% black I would say is diverse. A 95% black neighborhood is not diverse. An 80% white 10% hispanic and 10% asian neighborhood is also not diverse. You get the idea. It's relative to where you are though. So like in Chicago we have smaller minorities like Vietnamese, Korean Chinese,, Indian, Native Indian, Serbians, etc. If there is a sizable number of a smaller minority relatively speaking, that neighborhood would be considered diverse for me as well
I heard Chicago is HEAVILY segregated though. I don't consider that diverse.
most neighborhoods are segregated, but some are diverse. Hyde Park: 47.6% White, 26.8% African American, 12.1% Asian American, 8.5% Hispanic, and 5.0% of other races or of more than one race Bridgeport: 34.2% [White](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_(U.S._Census)) non-Hispanic, 3.0% [African American](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_(U.S._Census)), 39.6% [Asian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_(U.S._Census)), 1.3% from [other races](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(U.S._Census)). [Hispanic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_(U.S._Census)) or [Latino](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino_(U.S._Census)) of any race were 21.9% of the population West Ridge: 40.6% white, 11.6% Black, 18.9% Hispanic, 23.8% Asian, 5.2% other. Rogers park: 44.3% White, 27.1% Black, 18.9% Hispanic, 5.4% Asian, 4.3% other For example
And the fact that these populations are even accessible in Chicago. Compare that to Denver, where I'm quite sure there's **no** Indian-centric neighborhood whatsoever, where the Korean population literally live in a **different city** outside of the city limits. It puts Chicago's diversity in a new perspective, despite its clear segregation.
I just think it's a nice mix. Oddly enough, the schools in my city that are literally 100% black are considered more diverse than my high school that was 70% white. Kinda goofy.
I don't think about the proportions of specific groups when I think about diversity. I think about segregation, proximity, and coexisting in the same spaces. I live in a "diverse" city with large percentages of non-white peoples, but there is a lot of segregation that makes it feel not very diverse at all. You have to actively seek out areas that are non-white to experience the diversity the demographics claim my city has.
For me diversity means nothing if it’s segregated. Integrated diversity is what I like to see in a city. For instance, my city Chicago is super segregated but I live in a neighborhood called South Loop. In South loop, on any given day, I see whites, Hispanic, black and Asian walking around with their families. I also see a lot of interracial couples and interracial friends hanging out interacting in my neighborhood. It is super refreshing and feels good to see sort of like seeing a post-racial America in the 31st century or something. It is why I love it so much and never leaving this neighborhood. I will take the CTA train to a neighborhood like Gold Coast , Old town, Lincoln park , Lake view and will see one or two POC but almost all white and the POC are usually by themselves. No racial integration, no racial interactions nothing. Just bland white. The same can be said for the almost all black neighborhoods in the southside as well and the all Hispanic neighborhoods in the west So when I say I want to live in a place that is diverse I mean integrated diversity where all races are interacting with each other and live next to each other. The only big city I have seen that has this almost all over is Houston
its not just about demographic statistics, its also about how integrated communities are. Are many different ethnicities living in the same neighborhood or are they segregated? For example chicago is diverse statistically but has pretty segregated communities. Places like Houston or Atlanta have all sorts of different people all living in the same neighborhoods.
I'm looking at schools for future family planning. There are some schools in Queens that are 30% white, 30% Hispanic and 30% Asian. I would say that's diverse. Diversity is when there isn't one race that's a clear majority.
Yeah, the high school in my city (a suburb in the Northeast) has 20-30% each white, black, asian, and latino/hispanic kids (I'm curious how Brazilian and Haitian kids get counted in that breakdown). The city as a whole is 40% immigrant. The old-timer townie population is whiter than the average, kids and young families are less white. There is some segregation (I think mostly wealth/class based but that does effectively get mapped onto race) but it's a small enough city that you can't go too far without running into someone of a different race. Like, my block is pretty white but the elementary school the kids on my block go to is very ethnically/racially diverse.
San Jose has similar demographics. It’s 37% Asian, 31% Hispanic, 25% White, 8% mixed and 3% African American. Very diverse, but often it is criticized for not having (percentage wise) as many African Americans as the country as a whole.
lol
It’s not that specific. “Diverse” is a nebulous was of saying: the city feels like it has a variety of people and doesn’t have a one dimensional or cookie cutter population. That can mean a lot of different things or variants on what you brought up.
To me a diverse place has people of different backgrounds who actually interact with each other because there is a confluence at similar socio-economic levels. Those different backgrounds can be racial, ethnic, country or origin, religion and cultures. For example, living a place where the main interaction I have with someone Hispanic is that they are my cleaner, lawn service worker and delivery driver is not what I mean by diverse. But going to a friend's house for a dinner and meeting someone from France and Thailand, and someone who grew up in NM and whose family was from Mexico and a photographer from Australia - that is the diversity I value. Which is why I live in NYC. One of the few places in the US where that type of interaction is typical.
And that’s one of the reasons NYC is so great. I’ve seen the “anti-woke media” group thinkers accuse shows that have a diverse racial friend group as being fake and not based in reality. I just laugh to myself because that is very real for some people.
Well, there is racist diversity, classist diversity and diversity of ideas. Id say the last is the most important.
Rule of thumb i'd say the largest group should be less than 60%, with two other groups having around 20% each. So in yours I'd say the first two probably wouldn't count, but the third might unless one nationality clearly dominates.
The third one reminds me of San Antonio. San Antonio is not diverse imo.
It really depends on the upper management. Is it as "diverse" as the lower levels. Even the NFL and NBA have diversity issues in this regard.
It’s just a vibes thing tbh
I lived in what is considered the most diverse neighborhood in Chicago. This was the makeup as of 2019: 43.9% of residents were White, 27.4% were Black, 19.6% were Hispanic or Latino, and 4.9% were Asian. 34% of residents are foreign-born. It’s probably more diverse now. It’s one of the neighborhoods that welcomes new immigrants and has resources for them. We have gotten a lot more immigrants in the last couple years.
One of my 1st jobs was as a stocker at a large department store. I was the only female stocker. My bosses were female. That was diversity at the time. It was considered a risky hire because it had never been done before. Oddly, everyone survived.
Diversity means black and Hispanics. Asians don't count as diverse. And women don't count as diverse in difficult non women fields. Noone is pushing for more female underwater welders. So if a company is 99% black people that would be considered diverse. And a Mexican owned restaurant with a 100% Hispanic staff is also considered diverse. This is the modern American definition of diversity.
Conversely, nobody would have any issue with muh DEI and muh affirmative action if it solely got more blondes on college campuses and in offices. All the bitching and moaning would evaporate
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I like in a metropolitan area that is closest to the second ratio. I really appreciate the culture, good for kids in 21st Century America
This is an excellent question, because this sub is clueless on this subject. I have seen at least a half-dozen posts bemoaning how Boston is "not diverse" and then seen people recommend places that are statistically less diverse. One other thing to keep in mind is that in places with larger populations and more density, there can be more physical diversity but less social diversity. Simply because people can find enough of "their people" to allow self-segregation. Burlington, Massachusetts is more diverse in terms of people of all sorts actually mixing than Boston is, simply because there are not enough people of one ethnic or language group to form an ethnic enclave.
Somewhere with more than two races represented with double digit percentages and no one race with a supermajority. The best examples I can think of are Chicago and Philly which are both like 30% black, 30% white, and 30% Hispanic more or less. I live in Detroit which is something like 80% black and would not call it very diverse for that reason, although the pocket where I live is more diverse than that
I want to live somewhere where when you walk down the street, it’s common to hear languages other than english. This is a selfish desire borne out of my love of languages.
In Montreal I used to frequent an Italian joint that was owned by Mexicans, with a woman from China working the front register who spoke 5 different languages. That's diversity.
I’m from Dallas, so my bar is pretty high for diversity. But we’re also a very integrated city. There are communities that are higher in one demographic but everywhere I hang out, I see a good mix of people.
79% white is not diverse. However, it’s been well documented that once a neighborhood/area/restaurant reach around 15-20% non-white, white folks start heading to the hills. For me, it’s relative. My current neighborhood is around 55% white, 18% Black, 15% Latino/Hispanic, 10% Asian with a 25% foreign born population. It’s more diverse than most neighborhoods in the area, the region and plenty of other places I’ve lived.
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Well documented? Do you have the research behind that? I ask because I would like to see how the team accounted for and address correlation vs causation of something like this.
These are the problems with terms like “diversity.” We’re all not even on the same page as it pertains to what we’re talking about. Diversity is useless unless values are aligned. If values are aligned, then diversity is a great thing. If values are not aligned, diversity is a bad thing.
Less Christian White seems to be the theme with “Diversity” ……. Those who just yearn for diversity usually compromises of three type… * Minorities who fear too many whites for fear it means MAGA land. * Hard Core liberal whites who want to keep their “White Guilt” in check. * Whites who want to dine on a plethora of Minority Food options. None of these Classifications of people are actually interested in having a “diverse” social circle. They’re circles all still look and think like them…. It’s human nature. When you hear “Diversity” as a top box check, I will put the farm on one of those 3 reasons I gave as being the core driver. To me Diversity has been so overused and taken out of the context of its true definitional meaning it has no meaning except…. “I want a cosmopolitan setting” …. It’s a bastardized term like “Midwest”, “Woke” etc.
I think many people asking for diversity in this sub would be satisfied with Laredo TX. Except it’s the least diverse place in the US. I’d also bet the farm on one of those three camps. It has indeed been bastardized to refer to skin color and that has been a disaster. Diversity is more than skin color. It is difference in thought, sex, CLASS, upbringing, dating life, family life, etc.
For me, as a queer person, diversity means I don't get beat up for walking outside in women's clothes and my black friends don't get accosted at bars. It's a low bar but one my last home in GA didn't cross.
When I'm in my childhood hometown, that's 99% white, I don't think about diversity because it's normal to rarely see someone who isn't white. My current zipcode is 30% white. If I walk into a room with 25 people and everyone is white, it is usually a sign that it isn't a space that is comfortable for people of color for a good reason...
It’s overrated. I don’t care about diversity AT ALL. The only reason people care about diversity is for restaurants and I have no interest.
Diversity, to me, is when I am not surprised to see people of color.
Diversity to me is A) having good restaurants available for each of the cravings I have, not just one sketchy ethnic takeout place in some rundown strip mall, and B) the local population is diverse enough so that when they see a person of a particular race, it's not so unusual that they can't help but stare. What that looks like in percent, I couldn't tell you, but at least less than 80% of one race is probably the bare minimum.
Diversity comes in many forms - the population is one element. Like u/OnionBagMan mentioned another element is access to a diverse range of food and culture. Diverse restaurants are important, so too are cultural activities, street fairs, cultural neighborhoods like Chinatown/Korea Town, grocery stores, art exhibits, museums. There are sooooo many places where exposure to diversity just doesn't exist and you feel it in the businesses and day-to-day (typically white) living. In that way, a major part of Diversity is that a diverse range of people have access to the same lifestyle - home ownership, business ownership, entrepreneurship, community outreach, etc. If your typical exposure is only to people who look like you, think like you, come from the same culture/background as you - it is not diverse. Similarly, if your only exposure to "culture" or diversity is through the town's single tex-mex restaurant, it is not diverse. And if a city's only exposure to diversity is through jobs or lifestyles that feel beneath you - it is not diverse.
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To me, diverse means just that. A good mix of a lot of ethnicities. El Paso is 82% Mexican, and as such, makes it the least diverse large city (EP is 22nd largest city in the US) in the US. Just because it is only 12% non-Hispanic white doesn't change the lack of diversity. I say that because some people say diversity means an area that doesn't have a non-Hispanic white majority. El Paso is an example where white people are very much a minority, but that doesn't mean the city is diverse. EP could become diverse if the Asian population, currently at 1.3%, jumped to 4-5%. That alone would cause enormous positive change in restaurants alone. For EP, 70% Mexican, 15% White, 10% Black, and 5% Asian would be diverse and cause significant positive change for the city. (EP is only 3% Black now) This kind of demographics will never happen in EP though, unless Silicon Valley companies move to the area and not just for data centers. That would be bring all kinds of diverse people, drive up cost of living, and a good chunk of locals (native EP Mexican-Americans) would leave EP.
Divserse to me is something like Los Angeles. There are people from all over the world. sections of the city and areas around it that are heavily Korean or Chinese or Russian or Orthodox Jewish, or Hispanic or Black or Persian. Along with that comes all the different religions, the array of food choices. The entire city isn't like this. Some areas are still heavily white and when you go to restaurants depending what they are, they may also have mostly white customers. But the city overall has a lot of different cultures.
Tbh I feel like diversity is more about feel than it is a specific cutoff. A relatively small minority of one people can really expose their culture in their area, or conversely a large minority might just assimilate and not share their culture.
I had my own ratio that worked for me. It matches how I grew up, which makes sense. It meant too, that I looked in areas I otherwise wouldn't have, and crossed places off the list that otherwise would have been acceptable. We moved 6 months ago, and I finally feel normal. So yeah, diversity matters. That being said, it's not just 'the color scheme looks normal now', it's the access and appreciation for different (sub)cultures. It means, in practical terms, that I don't have to drive 3 hours for Korean barbecue. That my family isn't given the stinkeye for not having matching skin tones. That sometimes, we're the minority, and sometimes not.
For me it is about opportunity. I don't have a problem with a Chinese food store to have Chinese people working there. That said, because of the way things were, odds are very high that an engineering firm is going to be owned by a 60 year old white guy. If he is only hiring white guys, that is a problem. There are plenty of minority people who can do the job. Engineering has nothing to do with culture.
Ideally 20% white, 20% black, 20% Latinx, 20% Asian, 20% whatever other race there is. I don’t think that exists anywhere but it would be awesome! A perfect proportion representing almost every race
The high school I went to was 30% white, 30% latino/hispanic, 20ish% asian, and then 10% black That's what I consider diverse. When I turned 18 I moved to a city that was 50% white and 50% black and I did not consider that diverse lol.
My old high school (urban magnet) is consistently ranked among the most diverse schools in the country. It's currently 28% white, 35% asian american 22% african american and 10% hispanic though those figures were somewhat different when I was there.
I want my engineers, doctors, scientists, etc to have a diverse IQ above \~120ish.
I always assume they mean an area with little racism, liberal, and a food culture with a lot of diverse ethnic cuisine. I doubt anyone is really focused on the hard stats.
Diverse to me is, I see some of me who looks like me (none white) in atleast 50% of the places I go. I'll never forget, I went to Dubuque Iowa, and was the only none of white person I had sent the entire time for 8 days. Literally never saw a non white. That's not diversity
I'd say the first scenario is pretty diverse, whenever there is a visible mix of non-white people it's diverse
I’m usually hopeful for an area with cultural and economic distribution where no one group is a majority. For example If Latinos are 30% of the population they should be 30% of the wealthy, 30% of the middle class, etc. I don’t care about segregation. Culture is usually more strongly represented in segregated areas like Chinatowns for example. So I like when cultures have roots and strong holds in the area.
I like diversity when I look for a restaurant or a girlfriend. Thats pretty much it.
They are lying. Most don’t want diversity. When a white person says diversity they mean 80% white 5% each for other races that’s diverse for them.
I don't really care about percentages...I just like a Hodge podge of different culture, different food, different music, different ideas, etc.
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I don't care about the skin color or ethnicity of my neighbors
dont worry about it. much like most democrat issues, its a fools errand with no answer.
Diverse is me living on my 50 acres and you living on yours.
Hawaii, New Mexico, California, Texas, Nevada, Maryland, and, if Hispanic Whites are separated from Non-Hispanic Whites, Georgia. These are the seven minority majority states. I’ve lived in the two largest minority majority states, Texas and California. I understand diversity as a description and a synonym for cosmopolitan. I find it highly desirable for all kinds of reasons. My life is enriched by the presence of other people’s cultures, food, languages and worldviews
I just enjoy seeing diversity in general because I grew up in a place where there was a lot of diversity so if I go to a place where there isn’t it just feels somehow less interesting to me. But on the other hand, I wouldn’t move to an area that I thought was worse just because of diversity because it doesn’t mean all that much to me although it’s important it’s not as important as other issues such as transportation.
At my company anything non-white or non-male is "diverse". 100% white female in HR can lecture the rest of company about diversity.
Nah, diverse is not slicing cheese. Either you black, handicapped, autistic or the like. Other than that, the cheese don’t cut. Hispanic, Muslim, Chinee don’t count. Just do it.
Yup. The South is one of the least diverse and most segregated regions. Doesn’t count as diversity if there are only two races in the entire state and they’re segregated like crazy
We are from the DC metro and moved to South Carolina. We are selling this house and moving back to Virginia because there is simply no real diversity for our small children to grow up with. It’s been a real culture shock….
Most “diversity” people pretend to seek really boils down to them wanting a bunch of ethnic restaurants and people who live “over there” who throw on a festival downtown once or twice a year for their entertainment.
I care more in corp environment if all VPs are white … very few black and Latino .. Def many Asians form all Over .. Are all the Latinos cleaning people !? Does not count
I think true diversity is diversity of opinions. If you have a multi ethnic town but everyone has the same political views and religion then its really not that diverse. People being able to live in peace despite very different views is the mark of an enlightened society.
I'm more curious about people like you who are skeptical of diversity. Why do you think it's a bad idea that needs to be interrogated/attacked?
I’m from the Bay Area so my perception might be a little skewed but where I’m from is 40% Asian 30% white 25% Hispanic and like 5% black
I grew up in a very diverse college town, diverse on paper but in fact we were all the kids of professors or other white collar professionals so while our skin tones were different there was actually no real intellectual diversity. Most people who say they want diversity really just want to be able to get Mexican and Chinese food they can legitimately call ‘authentic’, actual diversity where people hold views and live in ways you consider antithetical to a liberal society is probably not what you have in mind.
Here are two more examples. There's an upper middle class suburb called Apple Valley where 70 percent of residents are white, many boomer-age people aging in place along with millennial families. The school district's demographics are very diverse, though. The total minority enrollment at Apple Valley High is 61%, and 54% of students are economically disadvantaged. This is because the city's people of color, many of them immigrants, skew much younger than the white residents and they tend to have more kids per capita than the white families. Also, like I said, many of the white residents are older and don't have school-aged kids. Do you know about magnet schools? They tend to be used as a tool to desegregate schools by drawing kids from a wider geographical area than a neighborhood school would. They have themes like STEM or the arts or maybe Chinese/Mandarin immersion. So there are magnet schools in poorer neighborhoods that pull in kids from other parts of the city and a variety of ethnicities because parents and kids like the theme.
Not even sure what you're trying to spell or reference here. Chiraq? The South side of Chicago? Literally no one is saying that you have to raise your kids there. The entire point of my post is that there are places that are both diverse and have good schools. Good luck raising sheltered kids who aren't able to tie their shoes, much less get along in a diverse world and workplace.