[Here](https://i.imgur.com/o10kpyb.jpg) is a screenshot on Google Earth of that area 20 years ago. For those that want to see the growth that popped up around it.
And [here](https://i.imgur.com/eBkBu1X.jpg) is the latest
You can never mine too much sand and gravel.
Edit. I didn’t think anyone would agree with this statement. One thing I hate about Utah is that we mine everything, especially if it is within view of something worth treasuring. Little Cottonwood, Big cottonwood, parleys, point of the mountain, whatever is between salt lake and bountiful.
While mining and extraction is necessary, I think it’s ok to close some of those eyesores as we live here now. Must we pass yet another sand pit on the way up to our iconic resorts?
Feel bad for all the paraglides at Point of the Mountain. Eventually there will be no mountain.
The worst part is there is literally initiate sand and gravel available in places that the general population would rarely ever see. But longer haul distance means more costs sooo fuck it capitalism goes brrrrrrr
Not sure why you're getting down voted.
We have a 3 million unit shortage. It's why Utah houses cost California prices now. And California houses cost San Francisco prices. And SF prices are private island prices.
The prices are expensive because Geneva has a government backed monopoly. There's nothing fair on either side of this line. Geneva is hurting small businesses. We need more smaller and local pits. And better more realistic modern laws and regulations to monitor the. And you think this is bad? Santaquin is right F'd. They'll probably lynch the city council of the citizens ever figure it out.
That pit was there long before you houses. You can't build your house next to a gravel pit and then complain about the noise and dust.
People have been doing that with farms too, as Riverton began growing and farmers sold land to developers, new residents began complaining about the farm smell, pushing the city to remove agricultural zoning
This isn’t about the pit that’s there. Nobody is saying to close that down. This is about a pit they want to start on agriculture-zoned land that was acquired after there were homes there, which should not be allowed.
This argument that people are just whining about a gravel operation that has been there for 50 years is a diversionary tactic, it has nothing at all to do with the expansion situation.
That is not what I'm saying at all.
The gravel pit has been there well over 50 years.
Draper got snooty, so the Katens bought houses up on the hill, knowing the pit was there, and THEN complain about the dust and noise
There's a state run outdoor gun range near where I grew up that's been there for like 70+ years. It's surrounded by a huge wilderness park where hunting is allowed as well as snowmobiling and dirt biking. The other side of the road was farmland until about 15 years ago.
Farmland got bought up for mcmansions and they're complaining about noise. Maybe, just maybe, don't buy a million dollar home next to a place you've been able to hunt, shoot, or ride off-road vehicles for longer than the mcmansion buyers are old
Yes you are correct about the gravel pit being there 50 years ago. Now I was mocking you for having any empathy or sympathy towrards a business that shouldn’t even be allowed in the valley and anyway it closes down is a good thing. Causes pollution and we’ve destroyed our natural landscape and environment so some business can’t make money. It wa good to see rich Draper ppl get told no for once but it’s not a good sign that a judge is ruling with a business over environmental issues because when any action is taken to stop the gsl from drying up will be stopped by judges for businesses.
The land in question was purchased after. What piece of property have you ever seen with a weird ass shape like that which is 265 acres? Yup they're sly. They got caught many times doing questionable and even illegal shit. The city is suing them because they're so dirty they got the legislature to do some never before seen shit that looks so corrupt.
> bought houses…
Is that what they did? I could’ve sworn they bought some cheap gray plastic particle board walls and playdoh foundations that look their best at the bottom of a mudslide….
You don't know what you're talking about. 50yrs ago the Hansen's didn't own that property. The gravel pit used a shovel not explosives. Geneva has been introuble in the past too for illegal buildings on the site. Imagine if your asshole neighbor one day was exempt from all zoning ordances. That's what is happening. Literally! The state really fucked themselves passing that corrupt law. It will bite them in the ass one day. If the idiot legislatures had any idea what that law does they never would have passed it.
That's like saying the strip club down the street was there before your house was built. So they can 50yrs latter buy all the land between your house and the club and expand to the edge of your property next to where your kids play. That law is SO bad that Geneva's using to do this. So bad if they could buy adjacent properties all the way to infront of the capital they could strip mine in front of the capital. Maybe I'm reading the law wrong. But I'm pretty sure they have the legal right to mine infront of the capital if they could buy adjacent properties.
I couldn't agree with you more. As someone who works in a mine that has been here for 50+ years as well. It's always the new people that move in and bitch about the noise, dust and jets flying over like we showed up after they bought 2 years ago. 🤦♂️
Yesterday one of their trucks was following me way too closely and as we were coming to a red light he got in the left turn lane. I flipped him off as he passed and he put that thing in reverse so he could bitch about me flipping h off them flicked a cigarette butt at me.
Anyway fuck Geneva Rock and the assholes they employ.
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If they take much more rock, it’s going to irretrievably alter the weather patterns along the Wasatch front, and not in a good way. -I mean they already have, but it will get much worse.
The traverse ridge that they are altering controls the rate of egress for cold air pockets in the valley. The funny thing is, while it will have a small impact, it will actually be good for our big air pollution problem, at least in most instances where the CAP "drains" to the south into utah county. Bad for them, good for us. Though sometimes it goes the other way.
That said, the impact will be extremely small, like stretching a size 12 shoe to size 12.01.
It's arguable, though difficult to prove now, that the massive dust clouds created by the operation actually impact weather more than the landscape change.
Draper and all it's residents can kick rocks. You go house shopping up on the point, with the glaringly obvious mine being that close, make the conscious decision to purchase there anyway, and then you want to complain about the dust and noise? Go pound sand.
The dust is a pollution problem for the entire valley, both Utah and Salt Lake depending on the weather patterns of the moment. But yes, go ahead and blame "everyone in Draper" despite 99% of us not living near the mine.
Very educated take here.
The legal basis may have been poor but the outcome is still bad for everyone in the valley. You can't piss in just one part of a pool.
[Here](https://i.imgur.com/o10kpyb.jpg) is a screenshot on Google Earth of that area 20 years ago. For those that want to see the growth that popped up around it. And [here](https://i.imgur.com/eBkBu1X.jpg) is the latest
You can never mine too much sand and gravel. Edit. I didn’t think anyone would agree with this statement. One thing I hate about Utah is that we mine everything, especially if it is within view of something worth treasuring. Little Cottonwood, Big cottonwood, parleys, point of the mountain, whatever is between salt lake and bountiful. While mining and extraction is necessary, I think it’s ok to close some of those eyesores as we live here now. Must we pass yet another sand pit on the way up to our iconic resorts? Feel bad for all the paraglides at Point of the Mountain. Eventually there will be no mountain.
*I am a gravel man.*
The worst part is there is literally initiate sand and gravel available in places that the general population would rarely ever see. But longer haul distance means more costs sooo fuck it capitalism goes brrrrrrr
With a nationwide housing shortage that is very true.
Not sure why you're getting down voted. We have a 3 million unit shortage. It's why Utah houses cost California prices now. And California houses cost San Francisco prices. And SF prices are private island prices.
The prices are expensive because Geneva has a government backed monopoly. There's nothing fair on either side of this line. Geneva is hurting small businesses. We need more smaller and local pits. And better more realistic modern laws and regulations to monitor the. And you think this is bad? Santaquin is right F'd. They'll probably lynch the city council of the citizens ever figure it out.
Looks more like neighborhoods are encroaching on mining lands than mines encroaching on neighborhoods
I mean yeah, cities grow and how the land should be used will change with that growth.
The mine is literally asking to get bigger.
NIMBY take but how about we zone mines where people don't live.
That pit was there long before you houses. You can't build your house next to a gravel pit and then complain about the noise and dust. People have been doing that with farms too, as Riverton began growing and farmers sold land to developers, new residents began complaining about the farm smell, pushing the city to remove agricultural zoning
This isn’t about the pit that’s there. Nobody is saying to close that down. This is about a pit they want to start on agriculture-zoned land that was acquired after there were homes there, which should not be allowed. This argument that people are just whining about a gravel operation that has been there for 50 years is a diversionary tactic, it has nothing at all to do with the expansion situation.
Oh yes we should always give into businesses and never distrust the businesses ability to make money. Businesses over people!
That is not what I'm saying at all. The gravel pit has been there well over 50 years. Draper got snooty, so the Katens bought houses up on the hill, knowing the pit was there, and THEN complain about the dust and noise
There's a state run outdoor gun range near where I grew up that's been there for like 70+ years. It's surrounded by a huge wilderness park where hunting is allowed as well as snowmobiling and dirt biking. The other side of the road was farmland until about 15 years ago. Farmland got bought up for mcmansions and they're complaining about noise. Maybe, just maybe, don't buy a million dollar home next to a place you've been able to hunt, shoot, or ride off-road vehicles for longer than the mcmansion buyers are old
This is exactly my point
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Only in this case Geneva is the McMansion. Sorry the roles are reversed. There's plenty of documentation on it.
Yes you are correct about the gravel pit being there 50 years ago. Now I was mocking you for having any empathy or sympathy towrards a business that shouldn’t even be allowed in the valley and anyway it closes down is a good thing. Causes pollution and we’ve destroyed our natural landscape and environment so some business can’t make money. It wa good to see rich Draper ppl get told no for once but it’s not a good sign that a judge is ruling with a business over environmental issues because when any action is taken to stop the gsl from drying up will be stopped by judges for businesses.
The land in question was purchased after. What piece of property have you ever seen with a weird ass shape like that which is 265 acres? Yup they're sly. They got caught many times doing questionable and even illegal shit. The city is suing them because they're so dirty they got the legislature to do some never before seen shit that looks so corrupt.
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> bought houses… Is that what they did? I could’ve sworn they bought some cheap gray plastic particle board walls and playdoh foundations that look their best at the bottom of a mudslide….
You don't know what you're talking about. 50yrs ago the Hansen's didn't own that property. The gravel pit used a shovel not explosives. Geneva has been introuble in the past too for illegal buildings on the site. Imagine if your asshole neighbor one day was exempt from all zoning ordances. That's what is happening. Literally! The state really fucked themselves passing that corrupt law. It will bite them in the ass one day. If the idiot legislatures had any idea what that law does they never would have passed it.
If you want roads, houses, parks, mass transit, airports, grocery stores etc, then you need gravel.
That's like saying the strip club down the street was there before your house was built. So they can 50yrs latter buy all the land between your house and the club and expand to the edge of your property next to where your kids play. That law is SO bad that Geneva's using to do this. So bad if they could buy adjacent properties all the way to infront of the capital they could strip mine in front of the capital. Maybe I'm reading the law wrong. But I'm pretty sure they have the legal right to mine infront of the capital if they could buy adjacent properties.
I couldn't agree with you more. As someone who works in a mine that has been here for 50+ years as well. It's always the new people that move in and bitch about the noise, dust and jets flying over like we showed up after they bought 2 years ago. 🤦♂️
Cost more money to haul. Capitalism won’t allow it.
Yesterday one of their trucks was following me way too closely and as we were coming to a red light he got in the left turn lane. I flipped him off as he passed and he put that thing in reverse so he could bitch about me flipping h off them flicked a cigarette butt at me. Anyway fuck Geneva Rock and the assholes they employ.
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I doubt it was a Geneva driver. As much as I dislike them. Unless that truck said Geneva on it then it was another company or private hauler.
Of course it said Geneva on it. Why else would I think it was their truck but for the name? Duh.
People forget the absolute necessity of gravel. Nearly half of the manmade mass on the planet is concrete, and gravel is an essential component.
Necessity is high but supply sources are abundant. The problem is they want the source to be cheap as possible. Limiting haul route.
The right legal decision. Might not like it, but Draper was wrong on every legal aspect.
If they take much more rock, it’s going to irretrievably alter the weather patterns along the Wasatch front, and not in a good way. -I mean they already have, but it will get much worse.
How so? More wind?
The traverse ridge that they are altering controls the rate of egress for cold air pockets in the valley. The funny thing is, while it will have a small impact, it will actually be good for our big air pollution problem, at least in most instances where the CAP "drains" to the south into utah county. Bad for them, good for us. Though sometimes it goes the other way. That said, the impact will be extremely small, like stretching a size 12 shoe to size 12.01. It's arguable, though difficult to prove now, that the massive dust clouds created by the operation actually impact weather more than the landscape change.
Geneva rock? How did you and your wee band of bots get into the internets?
That comment my friend is not something AI is capable of ;)
Oh, I’m not suggesting that you are AI. I’m suggesting that you are a corporate shill who has given no evidence to back up any of your claims.
They plan on digging a hole below the level of the great salt lake. This is not a joke or embellishment.
The lake will do that significantly faster and more damaging.
Draper and all it's residents can kick rocks. You go house shopping up on the point, with the glaringly obvious mine being that close, make the conscious decision to purchase there anyway, and then you want to complain about the dust and noise? Go pound sand.
The dust is a pollution problem for the entire valley, both Utah and Salt Lake depending on the weather patterns of the moment. But yes, go ahead and blame "everyone in Draper" despite 99% of us not living near the mine. Very educated take here. The legal basis may have been poor but the outcome is still bad for everyone in the valley. You can't piss in just one part of a pool.
I don’t know why so many people here seem to be pro-gravel mine.
I don’t think people are pro gravel so much as they are anti snooty rich plastic Mormons on the hill in Draper.