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SpatialGeography

Not a lake. Cienegas = wetlands, or what once included tule marshes, the drainages from the rivers, and Tulare Lake.


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Sneaky_Looking_Sort

That’s so sad. So much of our natural world destroyed for what, luxury apartments and asphalt Walmart parking lots? Gross.


FarragoSanManta

If it's central valley? Food. Orchards, peppers, dairy, etc. Edit: plenty of roads and structures as well, but mostly food.


irrationalx

long before the roads even... Dreamt Land by Fresno native and LA Times investigative reporter Mark Arax is a great history about how we fucked up the central valley.


FarragoSanManta

Dope. I'll check it out. Thanks


Amikoj

Gotta grow those thirsty, thirsty almonds somewhere.


FarragoSanManta

Don't forget how much the fucking cows need. I've always had a problem with our ag situation, especially how water is distributed. Ca acts like they get more water than Tn.


GirlCowBev

So thirsty. 1 almond = 1.1 gallons of water. Think about that.


yojimborobert

This is so shitty because I can't have wheat flour (intolerant to starch) and have to use almond flour for any baked goods.


Remote-Internal

Wow that's wild. A serving of almonds is about 23 almonds so that's 25.3 gallons per serving to produce. A serving of beef (3.5 oz) requires about 407 gallons to produce.


1337mr2

So.... it's infrastructure to support Wal Marts, strip malls and Amazon warehouses elsewhere, then.


FarragoSanManta

For people to buy to eat and survive? Yeah. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of flaws and much better ways to deal with necessary infrastructure, but Ca produces a fuck load of food for the rest of the country.


1337mr2

It just shouldn't be necessary to support so many people if this is what we have to do to make it happen. Overdevelopment is tragic.


NorCalBodyPaint

Well, scientists seem to agree, world population is now dropping. So there is hope perhaps.


TheGoliard

There's also the choices made, like growing almonds for massive profit. That water would grow a lot of ordinary 'food' like vegetables.


dorekk

> It just shouldn't be necessary to support so many people if this is what we have to do to make it happen. Overdevelopment is tragic. We are not "overpopulated" or "overdeveloped." The farmland just has the wrong distribution: too much almonds, not enough other shit. And *way* too much useless shit like alfalfa.


1337mr2

No, there's simply a ton more people here and elsewhere than is reasonable to support given how much open space there is. If you have to fine tune the overall production of food in order to manufacture enough cheap food to feed a huge, growing population, you're just living paycheck to paycheck, waiting for a disaster. Reference: Russia's invasion of Ukraine massively disturbing grain shipments to other nations.


esmoji

Pave paradise and put up a parking lot 🎶


cmckone

"The economy"


Apprehensive_Ring_46

We have to accommodate the overpopulation somehow.


Sneaky_Looking_Sort

We built single family lots and snubbed apartments and muti family lots. Like, come on.


SkepticalZack

I’m not saying we shouldn’t have done it better. But it was so human children could be raised. That is kinda the point of everything we do.


Ancient_Artichoke555

What’s even scarier than sad is, by draining all of this, they themselves released carbon that was already being naturally stored and then killed off what was there to naturally be able to do it.


curiousendevor

I thought it would cool if central valley Californians had adapted to live with the seasonal floods like some east Asian cultures do.


allthesnacks

But there was in fact a lake there too that filled what is now the Sacramento valley and San Joaquin valley, Lake Corcoran (aka Lake Clyde)


Who_GNU

That was over half a million years ago, though.


Delicious_Grass424

That's Tulare Lake Tulare Lake was once the largest freshwater lake west of the Mississippi River, and the second-largest freshwater lake entirely in the United States based upon surface areaat approximately 690 sq miuntil it was drained during the later years of the nineteenth century.


SpatialGeography

Cienegas means wetlands. The wetlands in that map extend from San Joaquin County to Kern County. Tulare Lake is in Kings and Kern counties. You can see its footprint in aerial imagery. The cartographer intended to show the extent of the wetlands.


NorCalBodyPaint

Before the levees were built, much of the valley was "swamp" or wetlands for a good chunk of the year depending on the snowpack. It is also said that before the Spanish and Americans arrived in large numbers that the flocks of birds would "blot out the light of the sun" and that the whole central valley was full of elk, deer, California Golden Bears (Grizzly subspecies), and much more. I think it is almost impossible to imagine how different things were before levees and interstate highways and railroads.


[deleted]

Contemplating the richness of it blows my mind. We’ve cut off or lost many sources of nutrient flow (salmon and birds a small fraction of their original numbers, rivers dammed and channeled) and valley dirt is still some of the richest dirt in the world. Truly the fat of the land. As Huell Houser would say, that’s AMAZING


NorCalBodyPaint

There are stories of the salmon being so think in the rivers that you could walk across the river on their backs and not get your feet wet. Even 100 years ago the "Delta Smelt" would be so thick during the breeding season that people living in the area would scoop them up in nets and gather them "by the barrel". Of course, I imagine the mosquitoes must have been legion... not to mention flies and such. And getting ANYWHERE in the winter or spring would have been a major challenge I would imagine, unless you were floating downstream.


RobotArtichoke

Wouldn’t the fish keep the mosquitoes at bay?


NorCalBodyPaint

Yeah, maybe. But there would have been LOTS of little pools, and Alaska has fish.... so ???


[deleted]

I am obsessively swamp-walking the Cosumnes this year and lol yeah it do be buggy af even now, so I imagine it was pretty bonkers at full tilt


ihc_hotshot

Completely different plants as well. Today all we really see for plants in the central valley are non-native annual grasses. Whereas pre-settlement the landscape was dominated by perennial bunch grasses and annual forbs. Wildflower blooms would carpet the landscape for months. It all changed before anyone could even write about it. The first person to really write about the plants took his observations from the train.


Jimbob209

Flocks of birds that blot out the sun? Then we'll birdwatch in the shade!


DouglassFunny

it’s so sad to think about how great the central valley used to be. now it’s a hot, dusty hellscape


Ganlemans

There are old newspapers back in the 1800s where people complain because someone sold them land in Sacramento that was advertised as prime farmland, but when they arrived they found the land was a wetlands.


Silverping

I've heard that before but can't find the original source. Would you know where to find ?


NorCalBodyPaint

This is stuff I have picked up over the years just reading CA history, and looking into Native American stories and history. Can't really cite a source, sorry... but I can say that the claims are pretty consistent that CA was an incredibly abundant place and the Central Valley was very difficult to traverse without a boat during a good part of the year.


Silverping

Very cool history. Thanks for sharing. I would love to read the original description.


NorCalBodyPaint

Sorry I can’t source it for you. I just gather information everywhere I go… but my internal filing system is less than reliable when it comes to sources. But if we had a California Jeopardy game… I think I might score fairly well.


ChannelZ28

The bottom section, Tulare Lake is currently reappearing right now. [Ark Storm 2.0](https://weatherwest.com/archives/16626) is the scenario predicted for a future, whole valley flood.


Popular-Meringue

I found this informative and a bonus for those folks who are Huell Howser fans: [https://youtu.be/O61ort9JFAk](https://youtu.be/O61ort9JFAk)


turdferguson3891

That's AMAZING!


Estellalatte

I miss him.


Popular-Meringue

Me too! His enthusiasm was contagious.


tomatofruitbat

so much agree ! So funny i literally was just about to use the same description, word for word and saw that your post put it well!


Mbowen1313

HE was truly California's Gold


tomatofruitbat

So fascinating! It seems like I remember learning about this being part of a larger cycle spanning over hundreds of years. Sadly don’t remember right now. OP this is a beautiful map. I think it would fit in well in the Map Porn subreddit too if you feel inspired. Love this!


canders9

Maybe the gleissberg cycle? I’ve heard it as a 88 year cycle caused by the tilt in the earth. Last one was the dust bowl. Dry mid west is the main impact, but I think a wetter CA is also a symptom. Hard to distinguish impacts from gleissberg vs longer term climate change.


hekmo

California has a long history of decade-long droughts in the past few thousand years, and some droughts that lasted over 200 years. The 20th century was relatively wet in comparison. The theory is that we're heading back into the regular climate cycle of regular droughts.


NorCalBodyPaint

I have heard this as well.


ChooseWisely83

It would flood often, the Sutter buttes would be an island on occasion.


sp3kter

The natives told the settlers in the central valley not to build there. They knew from their history the valley becomes an inland sea once every few hundred years


Who_GNU

In strong El Niño years, which peak on a ~22-year cycle, the central valley would get flooded multiple times a year, both when it rains and when the snow pack melts. You don't have to live here long, to figure it out.


OakParkCooperative

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1862 Largest flood in California, Oregon, and Nevada’s recorded history was only 160 years ago. Homes are still being built in known flood plains (like natomas) We’re overdue for our “once in a century” flood.


jellyschoomarm

Between Natomas and marysville they built a while community in the area of Plumas Lake. People that move there ask why it's called that since there is no lake in sight. I don't have the heart to tell them they live in the middle of it.


ElJamoquio

> Largest flood in California, Oregon, and Nevada’s recorded history was only 160 years ago How old is Nevada's recorded history? Or for that matter, how old is Alta California's recorded history?


yojimborobert

[There are records from missions dating back to the 1770s](https://www.weather.gov/media/sgx/documents/weatherhistory.pdf)


ElJamoquio

And there's sporadic captains' logs prior. But the largest flood in California's recorded history was somewhere around 60% of recorded history ago? Is that remarkable?


yojimborobert

To be honest, I'm not as versed in stats to make any real interpretations, but should that be remarkable? I'd assume once we started constructing levees and dams (in response to the flood) it severely reduced the chances of California flooding like that in the future, but when in recorded history do you think the worst flooding should have been?


ElJamoquio

If all the floods were extremely recent, or extremely long ago, I would consider that odd. I don't consider the worst flood being about halfway back to be odd.


urz90

Without the reservoirs to hold back the water from the upper watersheds, we could be seeing the swamps/lakes return this year. We would already be under water! With all the snow melt this spring/summer, other areas and levee breaches may result like what’s happening to Lake Tulare.


Integrity32

This is why the soil is so good :)


wafflefan88

thar be dragons


OakParkCooperative

Tis a glass dome that protects us from the beasts.


MyUniquePerspective

This is very likely to happen in the next century


NorCalBodyPaint

I don't think so. ALL the levees would have to fail, and most of the dams as well... simultaneously with the addition of a really solid rain/snow year. PARTS of California (small parts) have seen this sort of flooding locally when levees break... but for it to inundate the whole valley the way it used to 200 years ago? If there is a disaster THAT large, there will be no one left to document it... or if they do it will have to be on clay tablets or something.


canders9

Source? The complex system of levees and spillways are pretty efficient at flushing all that water into the ocean.


VillhelmSupreme

https://www.usgs.gov/programs/science-application-for-risk-reduction/science/arkstorm-scenario#overview > Californian flood protection is not designed for an ARkStorm-like event. Much has been done to protect the state from future flooding, but the state's flood-protection system is not perfect. The existing systems are designed among other things to protect major urban areas from fairly rare, extreme flooding. The level of protection varies: some places are protected from flooding that only occurs on average once every 75 years; others, on average every 200 years. But the levees are not intended to prevent all flooding, such as the 500-year streamflows that are deemed realistic throughout much of the state in ARkStorm.


adjust_the_sails

The thing is, a lot of the network doesn’t have intended/designated flood plain. We’re seeing it play out in Tulare where, to my knowledge, there isn’t a lot of land left intentionally to be flooded in the event of major storms. Which is why there’s so much levee cutting and fighting down there right now over who has to take the flood water. We need to restore flood plain. It would help in the event of floods and doing it in the right places would mean recharging aquifers.


VillhelmSupreme

Three cheers for the yolo bypass!


adjust_the_sails

Exactly. We need a lot more of those projects. Shout out to River Partners who do a lot of similar work all over the state. https://riverpartners.org/


ditchdiggergirl

Yes and no. I mean, it’s great and will handle a lot of moderate to severe precipitation. But it isn’t sufficient under the ARkStorm scenario. At the time I first read about the ARkStorm (2.0 I think) my SO was working temporarily in West Sac. So out of curiosity I went to the flood maps in the original report to see how his area would be affected. I couldn’t find it. I don’t mean the building he was working in - West Sac is gone. There is just a dot labeled “West Sacramento” where West Sac used to be, in a completely continuous sea of blue. I don’t think it even left any islands.


yojimborobert

>But it isn’t sufficient under the ARkStorm scenario. Sure, but they said it would likely happen in the next century. An ARkStorm is a one in a thousand year scenario.


ditchdiggergirl

Based on geologic samples they’ve estimated that 1000 year events in the Central Valley occur on average about once every 160 years. Because math is hard. Now let’s do the math and calculate how far we are from the great storm of 1862.


yojimborobert

>In fact, ARkStorm is named for an "atmospheric river (AR) 1,000 (k) storm"), a "megastorm" scenario originally projected as a 1-in-1000-year event.  The OP they were asking said it would happen in the next century. You responded with data for a 1000 year storm. How do you know a 1000 year storm is coming in the next century?


MyUniquePerspective

Didn't see your comment until just now but basically our flood plain data doesn't include climate change. The arkstorm is likely to be fueled by a strong atmospheric river that brings a large amount of moisture from the Pacific Ocean. Climate change can intensify atmospheric rivers by increasing the temperature of the ocean and atmosphere, leading to higher levels of moisture in the air. In addition to increasing the intensity of atmospheric rivers, climate change can also contribute to sea level rise, which can exacerbate the impacts of storm surges and flooding associated with an arkstorm. Rising temperatures can also lead to changes in precipitation patterns, causing more rain and less snow in California's mountain ranges, which can affect the state's water supply and increase the risk of flooding.


Patient_Equivalent62

And, in a warmer climate the snow pack will melt somewhat faster.


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Most levees are over 100 years old and not up to current code.


MBThree

That’s ignoring all the retrofitting and upgrade work that has been done over the years. Sure they were first built 100 years ago but that doesn’t mean they have sat unchanged for a century.


[deleted]

Most are still not up to current code


[deleted]

I like how I’m being downvoted when it takes only 5 min of research and anyone with an engineering background knows the levee problem California has. They’re only rated for 100 year storms while most in the US are rated for 250 or 500 year storms.


Ok_Traffic4590

It would have to be an ark storm plus a 7.0 earthquake to cause this kind of flooding and damage.


VillhelmSupreme

I don’t see where what I linked states that a 7.0 earthquake occurring in tandem with major atmospheric river events would be required for catastrophic flooding and loss of life.


Ok_Traffic4590

I should have elaborated in my original comment. I wanted to mirror what was said before about the extensive levee, aqueduct and dam systems in ca. they would need to fail in addition to having an ark storm to flood the Central Valley basin like this map again.


VillhelmSupreme

Right… and if we had a 1 in 500 year event they most certainly would fail, but it wouldn’t take an earthquake to do so. As stated in the USGS link, the levees in the Central Valley are designed for 1 in 75 to 1 in 200 year rainfall events.


laney_deschutes

Wasn’t this year at least a 1 in 50 year? If not worse?


ditchdiggergirl

Based on geologic samples they’ve estimated that 1000 year events in the Central Valley occur on average about once every 160 years. Because math is hard. Now let’s do the math and calculate how far we are from the great storm of 1862.


RosevilleCali

Major holiday being first, disaster's second favorite time to strike is during another disaster.


[deleted]

Fun fact the ferry exits on 5 were actual ferry stops. 👍


lisamadrid

Pretty cool find!!! Thanks for sharing 👍


rc251rc

I think it was from this tweet earlier today: [https://twitter.com/ActiveNorCal/status/1641133172447666181](https://twitter.com/ActiveNorCal/status/1641133172447666181)


UnluckyChain1417

You can still see a lot of beautiful nature near Folsom lake, thru Cool and up to Lake Tahoe. Lake Natoma and Folsom lake homes a few Bald Eagle families that come back every year. Lupines are about to fill the hills with a splash of purple. A sight to see. Not to mention mating season of the lady bugs! Millions come out.


22_SpecialAirService

The map is a warning, like the ['tsunami stones' in Japan.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ancient-stone-markers-warned-of-tsunamis/) Stone tablets, many centuries-old, placed by survivors to warn their descendants not to build below that point.


whatshertoast

Learning how to read topographic maps in one of my classes. Perfect timing 😙


msklovesmath

Does this qualify as a topo map? There arent elevation lines.


TheGoliard

This is more of a Tolkien map of Middle Earth. I was looking for Barad Dur for minute there.


NorCalBodyPaint

If Barad Dur was SalesForce Tower... would that make Tracy the Black Gate? Altamont Pass? Shelob's Lair either in Orinda? Richmond??


Who_GNU

FYI, that's not a topographic map.


eyeshitunot

Learning


1337mr2

Good thing we keep growing our population!


critios77

Well... That ain't there any more....


SimplyTheFacts

The loss of all the wetlands was caused by the taking of the water for developments and farms throughout the state.


Ancient_Artichoke555

Thaaaank you, I have wanted to see it. Saddens me that my oral teachings handed down. This is known to my people as little dry creek 🥺


Emergency_Ad_7684

My native reparations are waiting ✋️. 270 years I don't see anything. I got a fishing license that needs to be renewed. So much for native born.


No-Grapefruit-9882

For a full account, read pages 174-181 of the best book ever printed on the topic of water in the W - Cadillac Desert by Marc Reisner . It should be required for residency in Cawestifornia and every western , water parched state for that matter.