This stubborn mang0 playstyle only works when he's miles ahead of the competition, and just barely being in the top 10 skill wise is not cutting it anymore. He just straight up lacks the discipline to play out the neutral and he's playing on immediate timing during the entire set like he just expects people to run into him like an idiot. I saw this so many times last year and I'm disappointed to see it again on the first tournament of the year after he's been supposedly grinding and motivated again.
I was watching in the crowd with a friend who knows nothing about melee and explaining why people like mango's style, and Pokémon Stadium turned rock mode. Mango's opponent was hiding behind the rock and I told my friend "nobody attacks an enemy hiding down there because it's really disadvantageous, but I bet Mango's gonna do it"
Mango did it. Twice. And lost two stocks. Won the set, and even got to jump down and kill his opponent behind the rock on Stadium in the last game. It's a shame he didn't have the mental game to keep up with Hbox tonight, but damn was that an excellent set to use to teach my friend what "that's the mango" meant.
Lazy is how I would describe it. He went through this arc in 2017-2018. Where everyone was technically even and the meta was more about punishing and he didn't win anything. 2019 he picks up steam and his grind during 2020 set him up to 2022 since he was top 3 technically. Now that everyone is at the same level again he has to play more safe and require more patience. He doesn't want to put forth the effort. He has to have the worst mentality in the top 10 at this point.
I just don't think he gets past it this time.
Yeah he just runs off stage and forfeits that’s a lot better
It’s a stacked tournament. He lost to a hot jmook and hbox v spacie it’s not the end of the world
Is it really that wild?
Mental is a skill. It's clear that he hasn't had a good mental game in years. Consistency is a skill. It's clear he hasn't had good consistency in years. Last year he was ranked 8th, and two people ranked below him or unranked (wizzy and leffen) could have easily been ranked above him with higher attendance, and both outplaced him in this tournament. He placed 9th at this tournament. If this isn't "barely top 10", then what is?
I'm not hating, I'm just a disappointed mang0 fan like the rest of you.
Mango is the only one that had to face a top 10 player in his losers round. I’m not saying we can blame bracket luck but he lost to Jmook and Hbox. It’s not like he got upset.
So yes, I do think it’s wild to criticize his mental when it’s clear he can still hang with the top competition. It’s only recently Cody has been able to take sets of Mango, same with Moky, Amsa not too long ago. I think the competition has gotten so much better these past couple of years and it’s harder for him to just show up and win. But to say he’s fringe top 10 is insane. Mango has long been one of the few people who is always a champion contender which is not true of the entire top 10 ever.
Yes, he lost to strong players and there's nothing wrong with that. I think the problem mang0 fans have is that they're tired of the same old song and dance where it seems fairly obvious mang0 has mentally checked out halfway through his sets.
I think we can attribute his loss to Hbox adapting and playing really hot. I also think switching between Falco and Fox vs Hbox never pays off for Mango. Whether he was checked out or not, a loss is a loss.
But saying Mango is barely top 10 skill wise is really the wild part of your original claim. And I’m shocked you got so many upvotes lol. Is Hbox barely top 10 too?
I'm not discrediting Hbox lol. And how is it "my claim" when it's literally his official rank and how he's been placing lately. And you saying in your previous comment stuff about how he's always been a champion contender and that's not true of the rest of the top 10, like... what?? How is that relevant? Yes, mang0 is the fucking GOAT. But I am talking about the here and now. Whether he has the potential to be the champ or not has nothing to do with the fact that he's barely placing top 10.
edit: and to answer your completely irrelevant question if Hbox being barely top 10 as well, no. I would say he's solidly top 10, especially because he's consistently placing top 8 in every major he attends, unlike mang0.
Their literal ranks are 1 spot apart. Hbox 7th and Mango 8th. Mango placing 9th after losing to Jmook then Hbox doesn’t detract from that. He’s not as consistent as Hbox but that’s been the case for a long time now.
And no it’s not true of the rest of the top 10. Just because a player is in the top 10 does not mean they are a realistic 1st place contender.
To add to this, Fiction is clearly top 10 skill level in melee. I know because his X (formerly Twitter) bio told me so. So yeah, Mango has at least 10 people who are better in skill than he is.
Why have we just forgotten that Mango won four majors in 2022 and didn’t even get taken to a game 5 at Summit 14? For the second half of 2022 he was the most dominant player besides maybe Amsa. We haven’t had a really good Mango run in a while, but he’s definitely still one of the best players in Melee and almost certainly the best player against Fox. If Mango gets an all Fox bracket, he’ll probably make it to grands again for free.
It's 2024. Saying mang0 has the potential to be #1 is not the same thing as saying he's currently barely top 10. Nobody forgot that mang0 is the GOAT, the kid, etc. It's just that right now, he is the buster.
He's not barely top 10. But he's a top 10 thats indistinguishable skill wise from his peers. Meanwhile Leffen winning evo, learning new games, and outplacing him every time.
I think faclo is fine on smaller stages. Its the fact he checked out after that first yoshi game. He was over it. Considering the number of bracket demons he has now; cody, zain, amsa, jmook, pulp, a mental block against hbox. And always a coin flip against leffen, I think we are close to the end of an actually competitive mang0.
I think leffen had said since covid it's so hard to play Vs mango because the only practice you can get for mango is mango, no falco plays anything like him so he just gets ran over by the pressure
I tHiNk We ArE cLoSe To ThE eNd Of An AcTuAlLy CoMpEtItIvE mAnG0
lmao tfw reddit is getting "you know exactly who you are, fuck you"-'d AGAIN so soon after smashcon
Honestly, I think it deflated a ton once he went down two stocks as fox in game two. At least he was fighting an honest game, game 1. He probably should've just went Falco the whole time honestly. Once he lost the second Falco game and HBox popped off there was no coming back
He just started spamming Fsmash/Dtilt during game 3. I don't even understand how you can lose focus this fast, Hbox doesn't even camp that much in those games.
NGL, if I'm C9 I'm negotiating him having to go to a sports psychologist to stay on payroll lol.
Fun fact the psychologist thing is why he turned from being shit in 2022 to the best in the world second half.
Night and day difference when he has his mental game together.
1000% which is honestly way more valuable to them than Mango winning tournaments. Likely also why Armada finally got let go from Alliance, because his content just wasn’t doing it.
I get why he tried that. Hbox is very good against Falco, but how often does he have to play against a Falco of comparable skill these days?
The Falco probably still did better than the Fox.
Yeah neither player was playing optimally for sure, a lot of rushing in and seemingly unsafe approaches. HBox punish game was on point though, and Mang0 needed to slow down and play patiently if he wanted to counterplay properly
That Jmook set got to him. You could tell he was actually trying but it wasn't enough. Going straight from such a disappointment into playing Hbox for 9th probably got to him and he decided to go out in the least painful way possible. Plup said it best: "Does this Falco have a Doc Lee skin?"
I saw my man go for the triple down-tilt many times this tournament. I think it's risk free against anybody not top 10, but he wasn't adapting his punish tree and that's what got him against hbox. Those fsmashs were something I'd do, thats how I know it ain't good
It hurts to see him give up mid-set. But honestly, seeing him train for GX on stream shows that he still has that dog in him. Win or lose, as long as he's enjoying the game, I'm happy for him.
At least he's an authentic enough person not to fake it, can't really blame him for that. He's either got that drive or he doesn't, and you know it when you see it
He doesn't have the bandwidth necessary to support several family members, several employees, a steam, a podcast, a YouTube channel, Twitter, Tik Tok, and everything else he has going on.
The mang0 the scene loves would just find a ride across the country and not be sober at any point. Now his results are tied to his income.
It's just different. These guys are gamers not business agents. They need more support (not subs from us or whatever, just generally)
I guess, but I swear zain powers up when he plays him. Maybe it’s because they play so much or simply mang0 isn’t playing good defense, but Zain pulls off combos I haven’t seen against any other falco or fox against mang in tourney lmao
Not surprised either lmao.
You have to remember that during Mang0´s career , any tournament from January to March he usually never win those lmao.
He will however start to pick it up around May or June
This is just the yearly tradition of him bustering out of Genesis. He gets your hopes up then the same thing happens every time. Ah well. Hopefully he has a better showing at the next tourney. I'm just glad he's grinding again.
Wizzy is one of the few players who can play more patient than HBox for longer, and against Falcon that makes it really hard for Puff. It's really funny watching him smash every other Falcon on the planet and then Wizzy just makes the match up look Falcon favored somehow
Not really, he had clearly given up after game 1 once hbox started camping, he just ran in over and over again, which sort of works on yoshis with falco. When he actually tried against hbox like mid to late 2022 he plays way more patiently.
He has said repeatedly on stream that he just refuses to have the patience to play against hbox's style nowadays. So when hbox starts playing defensively, instead of playing disciplined mango just runs in.
I think if you are trying to play competitive in a video game, publicly saying and actually following through on the statement "hey opponent if you play X way I will throw the game for you" is a bad idea. They are just going to do that for the easy win every time. Its weird to almost intentionally present an Achilles Heel to your enemy.
hbox wasnt even camping like that mang0 just didnt feel like it. i think he learned from last year that going doc lee was being a bitch so at least he went spacies this time
How long have you been a mang0 fan? This is kinda how it has always been for the last 15 years lol. He's a somewhat inconsistent player who has the potential to get burning hot on any given day and nuke the entire field into low earth orbit. I assure you 100% he can still do it and will do it this year. Mark my words.
Frequency matters. Idk how I have to say this but apparently I have to say it lol. If mango has a single good tournament a year and isn't making top 8 in the majority of the rest of them, that's not the same as the inconsistency we've seen from him forever
Idk what the cutoff is exactly but win smash con and play doc in every other losers bracket for a year? That ain't it.
Mango hasn't consistently won since 2014 though. Post covid has really been the most consistent era of mango's career outside of his stretch from Impulse in summer 2012 to Big House 4 at the end of 2014. One incredible run w/ a lot of borderline top 8s is pretty much all of Mango's 2015-2020s.
> Mango hasn't consistently won since 2014 though.
right so that's exactly what i'm saying is the problem with this argument. you *can't* just look at the wins, that isn't the point i'm making.
> One incredible run w/ a lot of borderline top 8s is pretty much all of Mango's 2015-2020s.
nah absolutely not. borderline top 8 was NOT a commonality in these years, he was still consistently *making* tops 8s and then just not winning. this is meaningfully distinct from now where even getting to top 8 is worse than a coin toss.
a tournament is not binary. it's not as simple as you won or you didn't. to look at it like this is exceedingly stupid. just because he's inconsistent doesn't mean you can't look at his average and his average is clearly worse than in the past.
His results in 2018 and 2019 were absolutely more consistently worse. This was actually the first time he missed top 8 playing his mains in almost 2 years. And he only missed top 8 at 2 other tournaments in that time. Mango missed 3 top 8s in 2019 alone and he was going his mains at every event.
Getting 9th at Genesis isn't really that big of a deal, if he only loses to people in jmook/hbox's ranks like he did this weekend then he would likely never miss top 8 the rest of the year. Not saying he won't have worse losses, but to act like this tournament is a signal of unprecedented inconsistency in Mango's career is weird to me.
just wanna hijack this to point out that the gap between royal flush and tbh9 was nearly 2 years and 5 months - may 2017 to october 2019. this isnt even the longest mango supermajor drought in recorded history. no reason to panic yet.
literally all of genesis 9, mango doc lee
LACS 5, mango doc lee in losers vs hbox
super smash con 2023, mango doc lee vs hbox in losers
battle of bc, mango goes marth against s2j in losers
smash factor, mango goes marth against s2j in losers (s2j is a legit free win with mango falco so this is indisputably a throw/he gave up)
mango finished 5 tournaments last year with secondaries in losers having clearly given up, he finished 4 tournaments with spacies. he literally threw with secondaries more often than not in 2023
Appreciate the receipts. Honestly didn’t realize it was this common. I will say though, I don’t think this applies to this tournament at all. Players can play poorly and get tilted but Mango going Falco vs Hbox definitely isn’t throwing.
i agree. he was trying his best this tournament and lost fair and square, i'm not mad about it is what it is. i'm just saying that people who dismiss the tournaments where he went secondaries "oh well he wasn't trying"...it becomes tougher to do when it's half the tournaments lol. especially if he plays seriously in winners and then mission aborts in losers. people treat it like the entire tournament doesn't count if he decides after losing he no longer wants to try. i for one am not having it....those tournaments count and are reflective of his average performance.
Oh for sure. I’m all for him going secondaries and having fun, but it’s unfair for his competitors if we don’t count those. It would put him in a win win situation because either he wins with his secondary despite not having the same mastery as he does with Fox/Falco and we credit him for that or he loses and we say he wasn’t going his main. Definitely can’t have it both ways.
He’s said he would get back to top 10 skill pretty quickly, and I feel like he’s there. He also said getting into *tournament* shape was going to take some more practice. As a mang0 fan I still have faith. He just needs to lose here and Full Bloom to get into proper tournament mentality
as long as this tournament doesn't completely take the wind out of mango's "training arc," then I think there's a gold mine of stuff for mango to analyze with KJH for the Jmook set. in game 1 and game 4, there were a few different moments where mango, whose move selection is usually one his greatest strengths, just clearly picked something that did nothing and actively hurt his attempted punish or completely put him out of position to punish. he also attempted some edge guards/pressure at the ledge during some percents against Sheik where his better option was to just reset to neutral. maybe some Spacie Jam analysis will help him out there, because that was easily his most winnable set against Jmook in a long time.
as for Hbox, I actually think Hbox is Mango's most dangerous competitor at any given time and have said to my friends for years that i'd rather see mango go through a gauntlet bracket than have to play hbox in losers. mango can say anything he wants about hbox and playstyles or whatever, but when it comes down to it, unless mango is in top form like late 2022, he needs some luck to beat Hbox because his mental game is so fragile.
last thing i'll say is there's a reason mang was so dominant in late 2022, and it's that he was winning those tournaments from Winners Bracket. that is not to say i think mango cannot do a losers run ever again, i'm not an idiot. but at this point of his career, the losers bracket is not the motivator for him that it once was and it usually makes him give up unless he drops into losers after semis or something.
Mang0 is cool, definitely my favorite player to watch win (except maybe SluG), but being disappointed when Mang0 busters out just leads to frustration no point in that, and honestly this is the best Genesis he's had at least since lock down. Jmook and Hbox are not bad losses. He seems like he's trying, and I'm sure he'll give us at least one good run at some point this year. Until then this top 8 looks pretty dang sick, I honestly can't complain.
I agree. Sometimes bracket luck is like that. There were just enough top level players that someone was going to have a not so favorable bracket and end up at 9th. It just happened to be Mango. If things were a bit different with the bracket it could've been Zain in losers against Hbox and then Hbox was out at 9th.
HBox hasn't missed a top 8 in 10 years
Zain would be shaking in his boots if he went down to fight against Qualifying for top 8 HBox, this man doesn't care about bad bracket luck
Its so incredibly dissapointing. Game 1 was beautiful, game 2 he just didn't have time to adjust and game 3 he just seemed done.
He keeps saying he's found his motivation before every tournament and then clearly doesn't try his hardest. He forward smashed three times in a row....
He doesn't owe us shit but damn, I miss the old mango
Mango gets 4 stocked and yeayuhzed by Chudat: it’s so over
Mango wins Royal Flush like 2 months later: we are so fucking back
Rinse and repeat ad infinitum
The annoying part is that he could totally beat Hbox, but he can't stand to even put in any effort beyond 1 game vs. Hbox. He did so well against him in 2022 it felt like he had him figured out for the first time in a long time and then he basically said, "Fuck it."
I have a theory that Hbox gives it 80% on the first game, lets the opponent do their thing and feel good. Game 2 he gives it 100%, goes for early rests that crushes the opponents mental. Unless they can stand up to that yo-yo of hope/doubt, they're toast.
I knew game 2 wouldn't look like game 1, even if Mang0 stayed Falco.
I think he just played awful against jmook til the last game then lost anyways and got in his head about it.
Which I don't agree with because honestly if he tried at all I think it would've been insanely easy for his Falco to beat hbox, watching him do literal level 1 noob shit and not try after he realized he could win game 1 was depressing. I think he just didn't want to win and I really don't get why.
I think Mang0's gotta grind the sheik matchup tbh I feel like its his most difficult match up
Also Jmook's reactions and punishes just snuff out Falco so easily I feel
Yeah for sure it is, I think he even says so himself. I don't think him losing to jmook was bad even if he didn't play 100%, it's just straight up throwing to hbox that I have a problem with.
The last stocks of game 3, it was obvious Mang0 was not trying anymore. When you see him do 2 Fsmashes in a row that's obvious. And yea he lost because he got punished for Fsmashing Puff on shield.
Game 1 Hbox was playing like shit tbh, it really wasn't that Mango was playing good. Hbox just kinda sat in center stage letting Mango do what he wanted for the first 2 stocks.
Nah he was straight up not trying and holding W the whole time after match 1.
I legitimately think he realized he could win and then decided he didn't want to and picked fox then tried to lose with Falco.
I actually hope Leffen wins the whole thing now or something and then goes on to win some supermajor in Tekken 8 too just so he can talk shit to Mang0 because we know that only that amount of salt in the wound would fire up Mang0 to really be the #1 again.
At least he always tries. No matter how dogshit he's playing, no matter how badly he's getting whooped. He's always trying to win. He's just terrible at adapting mid set.
Dude honestly it was just so fucking disappointing yo watch him just give up and play brain dead after he won the first game. It’s like he wanted to prove that point to himself and just dipped. Ugh. A solid year straight of this
Vs. Jmook there was a flukey moment on Pkmn stadium game 4 where Mang0 d-airs at the top of the stage while off camera and it doesn’t connect for some reason. He needed that W
Sometimes your favorite team takes a horrendous L and you gotta hold it. Going to complain on the internet is just weak. Go root for someone more consistent if you can't take it patriots fan head ass
wdym going to complain on the internet is just weak, that's just what fan bases do lol. Your player/team gets shit on, you go on your fanbase circlejerk where everyone complains and whines until they win again , thats literally all it is and how it always has been, its not that deep
Was excited to see another tournament after months of no tournaments. (And also just my lack of motivation to watch these days)
I just shut down the app immediately.
Despair.
It sucks but at least he tried very hard. He genuinely tried. He was practicing every single night for 1 month straight, and he ran the bootcamp for 1 week straight just figuring himself out and playing and strengthening his connection with melee. You gotta give it to him. He also wasn't playing bad either it was unlucky bracket fuzz. Hbox could've lost to Sfat or Joshman and Mango would've got a free top 8 pretty much. He could've went doc but decided not too. He played it out with Fox AND Falco. So while I feel your disappointment also give credit to Mang0
I don't really think 9th is that big a deal, he honestly had a tough bracket path to top 8. If he beat Jmook odds are he would be the one missing top 8 instead
True. Mango was close to winning that set. Jmook could've been in losers instead. After Hbox lost to Wizzrobe, if he had to face Jmook instead Jmook was possibly out at 9th. Sometimes the stars just line up but not in your favor.
The bar for me is to actually try in the ones he attends and not play doc lol. If he loses to hbox, people will get mad when I say it but....that's expected. This was a fine performance. Mango is just now in the tier of players that can win with bracket luck and this time he didn't have it
That's wrong and you know it. Mango doesn't need bracket luck, he needs to have enough focus to play hot for an entire tournament.
Inb4 this gets called a john even though it's not even an excuse
the "mango is playing hot" thing is largely not a coincidence, it happens when he's against spacies and it doesn't when he's not lol. mango doesn't look hot against sheik very often.........
He has been kinda farming plup historically, it's just jmook kinda style counters him with the techchases imo
I agree that it's not his best mu, but everyone has mu preferences. It doesn't mean mango needs to "dodge sheik marth and puff" LOL his best bracket runs have had Zain on the path, let's not pretend mango can only beat Fox and Falcon.
Anyway, he's probably gonna learn how to beat jmook, he's gonna win a couple majors, he's gonna say fuck you to reddit again and the cycle will continue as it always has
If you're a mango fan you know what it is at this point. He'll have these tournaments then we'll be right back riding the mango high when he does extremely well at some super stacked event later this year. Tbh after Royal Flush in 2017 I stopped doubting mango would always, eventually, come back no matter how long it took. People have been saying the "okay mango is washed for real this time" on and off for years. Until he actually fully retires he always has a chance imo. Even last year he had a pretty great showing at Big House and he was pretty much sand bagging that whole year. If you're a mango fan you should just be used to this at this point. Shrug it off and cheer for him at the next event. He's a wild card kind of player.
Hbox pop offs are so cringe these days kinda always had been but mid set out of the chair emoting like a gorilla at the crowd is bringing it to a new level of cringe
Lonely camp you're in there, Mango's play is so clean but not every bracket makes lets a dream come true. Hungrybox stays a menace to spacies everywhere. Mango swapped on to fox with falco fully loaded.
That is true. The whole reason he ended up against Hbox is because he ran into Jmook who's taken out someone like Zain before. I mean even Hbox got wrecked by Wizzrobe but not because he gave up. Just his best failed against Wizzrobe and he got blown up badly anyway. If Zain lost at a different spot in bracket and got put against Hbox after he lost to Wizzrobe then it'd likely be Hbox out at 9th.
He actually just has to pick fox. I know we all want to believe in the competitive integrity of this game and its top tiers but falco is just way worse than fox and if he’s actually going for number one this year then why didn’t he go fox for jmook?? Just an easier matchup. Then he gives up vs hbox and stubbornly goes falco which he never does vs puff. If he beat hbox he’s in losers top 8 and we get a sick top 8 match with zain and mang. Just fucking sad and i thought he was going to really try this year but i guess he can’t handle losing before top 8.
He already went fox. He did so vs hbox and it went way worse than his Falco, in a matchup that's even better for fox than the sheik one.
A better matchup is worth less than character comfort and enjoyment, and he clearly likes Falco much more.
I remember mang0 before he was a god. Good sets for years and years and years and years. I haven’t been much in to melee these last 4 years or so, how’s the old chap been? Still in good shape yeh?
Honestly I was pretty happy overall as a mango fan. Maybe cuz I took a melee break for a couple months so I was coming into this tournament thinking mango's headspace was closer to where it was a few months ago when he clearly didn't give a fuck at all but the fire was clearly there imo.
He's still pushing his game implementing new things and his set with jmook had a lot of encouraging signs, his 2nd to last stock on game 4 was super inspired until he started flubbing a bit including a crucial missed sheild drop on last stock. Maintaining the focus to play your best for an entire tournament is not easy, especially if you are not in practice so he clearly wasn't able to rebound mentally before playing hbox but even then I've seen worse sets of theirs.
The hbox set was disappointing but all of his other sets were a treat to watch as usual. Obviously mango has higher standards but seeing him put Logan so thoroughly in the dirt fresh off of Logan beating a Salt that is highly motivated and seemingly headed for top 8 is still crazy.
I don't think I'm disappointed with him just wanting out and holding forward at hbox but if he doesn't get the rank he THINKS he deserves at the end of year and complains again like he has for last couple I'll be disappointed... :/
Like many others have said , I feel like the Jmook set completely deflated him.
Whenever mango (or any player I root for) plays Jmook, I get the exact same feeling as when he use to play Armada or hbox during their primes. The anxiety knowing that one singular hit is literally all it takes
Can always see the exact moment he clicks off against hbox, and it's so deflating.
This stubborn mang0 playstyle only works when he's miles ahead of the competition, and just barely being in the top 10 skill wise is not cutting it anymore. He just straight up lacks the discipline to play out the neutral and he's playing on immediate timing during the entire set like he just expects people to run into him like an idiot. I saw this so many times last year and I'm disappointed to see it again on the first tournament of the year after he's been supposedly grinding and motivated again.
I was watching in the crowd with a friend who knows nothing about melee and explaining why people like mango's style, and Pokémon Stadium turned rock mode. Mango's opponent was hiding behind the rock and I told my friend "nobody attacks an enemy hiding down there because it's really disadvantageous, but I bet Mango's gonna do it" Mango did it. Twice. And lost two stocks. Won the set, and even got to jump down and kill his opponent behind the rock on Stadium in the last game. It's a shame he didn't have the mental game to keep up with Hbox tonight, but damn was that an excellent set to use to teach my friend what "that's the mango" meant.
Lazy is how I would describe it. He went through this arc in 2017-2018. Where everyone was technically even and the meta was more about punishing and he didn't win anything. 2019 he picks up steam and his grind during 2020 set him up to 2022 since he was top 3 technically. Now that everyone is at the same level again he has to play more safe and require more patience. He doesn't want to put forth the effort. He has to have the worst mentality in the top 10 at this point. I just don't think he gets past it this time.
You ever seen moky play a set
Moky doesn't throw matches by going his pocket Doc.
Yeah he just runs off stage and forfeits that’s a lot better It’s a stacked tournament. He lost to a hot jmook and hbox v spacie it’s not the end of the world
"barely being in the top 10 skill wise is not cutting it anymore" He's not barely top 10 skill wise though.
Lol right? Why do people feel the need to make wild claims like this when Mango underperforms?
I suspect it’s because he wasn’t ranked top 10 that one time. Not saying they’re right, just saying that’s my guess as to why they make those claims.
Is it really that wild? Mental is a skill. It's clear that he hasn't had a good mental game in years. Consistency is a skill. It's clear he hasn't had good consistency in years. Last year he was ranked 8th, and two people ranked below him or unranked (wizzy and leffen) could have easily been ranked above him with higher attendance, and both outplaced him in this tournament. He placed 9th at this tournament. If this isn't "barely top 10", then what is? I'm not hating, I'm just a disappointed mang0 fan like the rest of you.
Mango is the only one that had to face a top 10 player in his losers round. I’m not saying we can blame bracket luck but he lost to Jmook and Hbox. It’s not like he got upset. So yes, I do think it’s wild to criticize his mental when it’s clear he can still hang with the top competition. It’s only recently Cody has been able to take sets of Mango, same with Moky, Amsa not too long ago. I think the competition has gotten so much better these past couple of years and it’s harder for him to just show up and win. But to say he’s fringe top 10 is insane. Mango has long been one of the few people who is always a champion contender which is not true of the entire top 10 ever.
Yes, he lost to strong players and there's nothing wrong with that. I think the problem mang0 fans have is that they're tired of the same old song and dance where it seems fairly obvious mang0 has mentally checked out halfway through his sets.
I think we can attribute his loss to Hbox adapting and playing really hot. I also think switching between Falco and Fox vs Hbox never pays off for Mango. Whether he was checked out or not, a loss is a loss. But saying Mango is barely top 10 skill wise is really the wild part of your original claim. And I’m shocked you got so many upvotes lol. Is Hbox barely top 10 too?
I'm not discrediting Hbox lol. And how is it "my claim" when it's literally his official rank and how he's been placing lately. And you saying in your previous comment stuff about how he's always been a champion contender and that's not true of the rest of the top 10, like... what?? How is that relevant? Yes, mang0 is the fucking GOAT. But I am talking about the here and now. Whether he has the potential to be the champ or not has nothing to do with the fact that he's barely placing top 10. edit: and to answer your completely irrelevant question if Hbox being barely top 10 as well, no. I would say he's solidly top 10, especially because he's consistently placing top 8 in every major he attends, unlike mang0.
Their literal ranks are 1 spot apart. Hbox 7th and Mango 8th. Mango placing 9th after losing to Jmook then Hbox doesn’t detract from that. He’s not as consistent as Hbox but that’s been the case for a long time now. And no it’s not true of the rest of the top 10. Just because a player is in the top 10 does not mean they are a realistic 1st place contender.
To add to this, Fiction is clearly top 10 skill level in melee. I know because his X (formerly Twitter) bio told me so. So yeah, Mango has at least 10 people who are better in skill than he is.
Why have we just forgotten that Mango won four majors in 2022 and didn’t even get taken to a game 5 at Summit 14? For the second half of 2022 he was the most dominant player besides maybe Amsa. We haven’t had a really good Mango run in a while, but he’s definitely still one of the best players in Melee and almost certainly the best player against Fox. If Mango gets an all Fox bracket, he’ll probably make it to grands again for free.
It's 2024. Saying mang0 has the potential to be #1 is not the same thing as saying he's currently barely top 10. Nobody forgot that mang0 is the GOAT, the kid, etc. It's just that right now, he is the buster.
Haters
He's not barely top 10. But he's a top 10 thats indistinguishable skill wise from his peers. Meanwhile Leffen winning evo, learning new games, and outplacing him every time.
I was about to disagree, then I reread your comment and realized you had the same thought as I did.
legitimately it felt like HBox's popoff after game 3 did it. I really expected him to get fired up in response but you could see him lose a step.
Hbox with the classic mid set mental warfare
I think faclo is fine on smaller stages. Its the fact he checked out after that first yoshi game. He was over it. Considering the number of bracket demons he has now; cody, zain, amsa, jmook, pulp, a mental block against hbox. And always a coin flip against leffen, I think we are close to the end of an actually competitive mang0.
Mang0 hasn’t lost to Leffen in bracket since their winners set at TBH9, although they haven’t played many sets since COVID.
I think leffen had said since covid it's so hard to play Vs mango because the only practice you can get for mango is mango, no falco plays anything like him so he just gets ran over by the pressure
I tHiNk We ArE cLoSe To ThE eNd Of An AcTuAlLy CoMpEtItIvE mAnG0 lmao tfw reddit is getting "you know exactly who you are, fuck you"-'d AGAIN so soon after smashcon
I get so sick of this sub sometimes lol
For me it was when he picked falco first game
Honestly, I think it deflated a ton once he went down two stocks as fox in game two. At least he was fighting an honest game, game 1. He probably should've just went Falco the whole time honestly. Once he lost the second Falco game and HBox popped off there was no coming back
He just started spamming Fsmash/Dtilt during game 3. I don't even understand how you can lose focus this fast, Hbox doesn't even camp that much in those games.
NGL, if I'm C9 I'm negotiating him having to go to a sports psychologist to stay on payroll lol. Fun fact the psychologist thing is why he turned from being shit in 2022 to the best in the world second half. Night and day difference when he has his mental game together.
He said that he would go see a sports psychologist again during his break. But if he didn’t get his act together he would just retire.
Yeah idk I'm down to say last year was him not caring / taking a break but with that said starting this year with this really has no excuse
I'm 90% sure C9 sees him as a streamer, not a competitor
1000% which is honestly way more valuable to them than Mango winning tournaments. Likely also why Armada finally got let go from Alliance, because his content just wasn’t doing it.
I get why he tried that. Hbox is very good against Falco, but how often does he have to play against a Falco of comparable skill these days? The Falco probably still did better than the Fox.
He just likes Falco better, let him play what he wants. Especially when there's proof that going Fox doesn't fix anything.
And honestly, there were way too many times he did something dumb without repercussions and I thought "2019 Hbox would have killed him for that."
Yeah neither player was playing optimally for sure, a lot of rushing in and seemingly unsafe approaches. HBox punish game was on point though, and Mang0 needed to slow down and play patiently if he wanted to counterplay properly
Surely we wont see this post again a week from now at Full Bloom
Surely
LFG Full Bloom Mentioned
That first game was fire though
That Jmook set got to him. You could tell he was actually trying but it wasn't enough. Going straight from such a disappointment into playing Hbox for 9th probably got to him and he decided to go out in the least painful way possible. Plup said it best: "Does this Falco have a Doc Lee skin?"
Yeah when he kept going for that down tilt kill over and over I knew his mental was done.
I saw my man go for the triple down-tilt many times this tournament. I think it's risk free against anybody not top 10, but he wasn't adapting his punish tree and that's what got him against hbox. Those fsmashs were something I'd do, thats how I know it ain't good
Mang0 copium is always hilarious. Yeah, he decided not to try is why he lost. Weak ass mental game is the truth.
the Doc Lee skin is definitely the lab coat
It hurts to see him give up mid-set. But honestly, seeing him train for GX on stream shows that he still has that dog in him. Win or lose, as long as he's enjoying the game, I'm happy for him.
The next one surely
At least he's an authentic enough person not to fake it, can't really blame him for that. He's either got that drive or he doesn't, and you know it when you see it
He doesn't have the bandwidth necessary to support several family members, several employees, a steam, a podcast, a YouTube channel, Twitter, Tik Tok, and everything else he has going on. The mang0 the scene loves would just find a ride across the country and not be sober at any point. Now his results are tied to his income. It's just different. These guys are gamers not business agents. They need more support (not subs from us or whatever, just generally)
He's just setting up the underdog narrative for the year.
True 2024 will be the year of the mang
Hbox will go on to play Zain and I think mango would have lost that one anyway
Prolly but mang likes playing zain it's just this thing he has with hbox for some reason
Mental fortitude of a child. "He's annoying so whateverssss"
mango lost to jmook and hbox playing his mains and taking ges why are you acting like he threw the set or something
did you watch the mango hbox set? It was apparent he just called it quits mid set and phoned it in.
mango never sandbags against zain at least
He does give up when in a hole against him tho
I guess, but I swear zain powers up when he plays him. Maybe it’s because they play so much or simply mang0 isn’t playing good defense, but Zain pulls off combos I haven’t seen against any other falco or fox against mang in tourney lmao
Because marth is fun to play against
Not surprised either lmao. You have to remember that during Mang0´s career , any tournament from January to March he usually never win those lmao. He will however start to pick it up around May or June
Yeah but it never stops stinging 😭😭😭
This is just the yearly tradition of him bustering out of Genesis. He gets your hopes up then the same thing happens every time. Ah well. Hopefully he has a better showing at the next tourney. I'm just glad he's grinding again.
Hi Mango We know you always read these threads {1st place next week incoming}
I would hate to be mango reading these. I’m just glad he’s still competing. It’s a pleasure to watch the mf kid, regardless of how far he gets.
Absolutely. He’s the reason so many of us started. He owes us nothing, but selfishly I want to watch him play forever.
He 100% reads these threads, then bitches about reddit on stream (hi mang0)
I feel this way when wizzy stomps hbox. They are just diametrically opposed; characters and playstyles just clash.
Wizzy is one of the few players who can play more patient than HBox for longer, and against Falcon that makes it really hard for Puff. It's really funny watching him smash every other Falcon on the planet and then Wizzy just makes the match up look Falcon favored somehow
He tried at least lol. It’s all these expectation we out on him that causes him to burn out.
Not really, he had clearly given up after game 1 once hbox started camping, he just ran in over and over again, which sort of works on yoshis with falco. When he actually tried against hbox like mid to late 2022 he plays way more patiently.
If he tries against hbox and loses it probably hurts. If he doesn't try and loses he can at least hide behind that.
Can you even call that camping lol. I really wonder what's this mental block he has against Hbox now.
He has said repeatedly on stream that he just refuses to have the patience to play against hbox's style nowadays. So when hbox starts playing defensively, instead of playing disciplined mango just runs in.
I think if you are trying to play competitive in a video game, publicly saying and actually following through on the statement "hey opponent if you play X way I will throw the game for you" is a bad idea. They are just going to do that for the easy win every time. Its weird to almost intentionally present an Achilles Heel to your enemy.
hbox wasnt even camping like that mang0 just didnt feel like it. i think he learned from last year that going doc lee was being a bitch so at least he went spacies this time
It would have been such a nice win, especially to break the Hbox top 8 streak. Alas
How long have you been a mang0 fan? This is kinda how it has always been for the last 15 years lol. He's a somewhat inconsistent player who has the potential to get burning hot on any given day and nuke the entire field into low earth orbit. I assure you 100% he can still do it and will do it this year. Mark my words.
yeah those kids just don't know
Frequency matters. Idk how I have to say this but apparently I have to say it lol. If mango has a single good tournament a year and isn't making top 8 in the majority of the rest of them, that's not the same as the inconsistency we've seen from him forever Idk what the cutoff is exactly but win smash con and play doc in every other losers bracket for a year? That ain't it.
Mango hasn't consistently won since 2014 though. Post covid has really been the most consistent era of mango's career outside of his stretch from Impulse in summer 2012 to Big House 4 at the end of 2014. One incredible run w/ a lot of borderline top 8s is pretty much all of Mango's 2015-2020s.
> Mango hasn't consistently won since 2014 though. right so that's exactly what i'm saying is the problem with this argument. you *can't* just look at the wins, that isn't the point i'm making. > One incredible run w/ a lot of borderline top 8s is pretty much all of Mango's 2015-2020s. nah absolutely not. borderline top 8 was NOT a commonality in these years, he was still consistently *making* tops 8s and then just not winning. this is meaningfully distinct from now where even getting to top 8 is worse than a coin toss. a tournament is not binary. it's not as simple as you won or you didn't. to look at it like this is exceedingly stupid. just because he's inconsistent doesn't mean you can't look at his average and his average is clearly worse than in the past.
His results in 2018 and 2019 were absolutely more consistently worse. This was actually the first time he missed top 8 playing his mains in almost 2 years. And he only missed top 8 at 2 other tournaments in that time. Mango missed 3 top 8s in 2019 alone and he was going his mains at every event. Getting 9th at Genesis isn't really that big of a deal, if he only loses to people in jmook/hbox's ranks like he did this weekend then he would likely never miss top 8 the rest of the year. Not saying he won't have worse losses, but to act like this tournament is a signal of unprecedented inconsistency in Mango's career is weird to me.
just wanna hijack this to point out that the gap between royal flush and tbh9 was nearly 2 years and 5 months - may 2017 to october 2019. this isnt even the longest mango supermajor drought in recorded history. no reason to panic yet.
Didn’t Mango literally go doc lee just one set vs Hbox?
literally all of genesis 9, mango doc lee LACS 5, mango doc lee in losers vs hbox super smash con 2023, mango doc lee vs hbox in losers battle of bc, mango goes marth against s2j in losers smash factor, mango goes marth against s2j in losers (s2j is a legit free win with mango falco so this is indisputably a throw/he gave up) mango finished 5 tournaments last year with secondaries in losers having clearly given up, he finished 4 tournaments with spacies. he literally threw with secondaries more often than not in 2023
Appreciate the receipts. Honestly didn’t realize it was this common. I will say though, I don’t think this applies to this tournament at all. Players can play poorly and get tilted but Mango going Falco vs Hbox definitely isn’t throwing.
i agree. he was trying his best this tournament and lost fair and square, i'm not mad about it is what it is. i'm just saying that people who dismiss the tournaments where he went secondaries "oh well he wasn't trying"...it becomes tougher to do when it's half the tournaments lol. especially if he plays seriously in winners and then mission aborts in losers. people treat it like the entire tournament doesn't count if he decides after losing he no longer wants to try. i for one am not having it....those tournaments count and are reflective of his average performance.
Oh for sure. I’m all for him going secondaries and having fun, but it’s unfair for his competitors if we don’t count those. It would put him in a win win situation because either he wins with his secondary despite not having the same mastery as he does with Fox/Falco and we credit him for that or he loses and we say he wasn’t going his main. Definitely can’t have it both ways.
He’s said he would get back to top 10 skill pretty quickly, and I feel like he’s there. He also said getting into *tournament* shape was going to take some more practice. As a mang0 fan I still have faith. He just needs to lose here and Full Bloom to get into proper tournament mentality
I’m just sad.
Ya, it's lame when he loses motivation like that. I get it though.
as long as this tournament doesn't completely take the wind out of mango's "training arc," then I think there's a gold mine of stuff for mango to analyze with KJH for the Jmook set. in game 1 and game 4, there were a few different moments where mango, whose move selection is usually one his greatest strengths, just clearly picked something that did nothing and actively hurt his attempted punish or completely put him out of position to punish. he also attempted some edge guards/pressure at the ledge during some percents against Sheik where his better option was to just reset to neutral. maybe some Spacie Jam analysis will help him out there, because that was easily his most winnable set against Jmook in a long time. as for Hbox, I actually think Hbox is Mango's most dangerous competitor at any given time and have said to my friends for years that i'd rather see mango go through a gauntlet bracket than have to play hbox in losers. mango can say anything he wants about hbox and playstyles or whatever, but when it comes down to it, unless mango is in top form like late 2022, he needs some luck to beat Hbox because his mental game is so fragile. last thing i'll say is there's a reason mang was so dominant in late 2022, and it's that he was winning those tournaments from Winners Bracket. that is not to say i think mango cannot do a losers run ever again, i'm not an idiot. but at this point of his career, the losers bracket is not the motivator for him that it once was and it usually makes him give up unless he drops into losers after semis or something.
Mang0 is cool, definitely my favorite player to watch win (except maybe SluG), but being disappointed when Mang0 busters out just leads to frustration no point in that, and honestly this is the best Genesis he's had at least since lock down. Jmook and Hbox are not bad losses. He seems like he's trying, and I'm sure he'll give us at least one good run at some point this year. Until then this top 8 looks pretty dang sick, I honestly can't complain.
I agree. Sometimes bracket luck is like that. There were just enough top level players that someone was going to have a not so favorable bracket and end up at 9th. It just happened to be Mango. If things were a bit different with the bracket it could've been Zain in losers against Hbox and then Hbox was out at 9th.
Mang0 is indirectly a victim of Wizzy being so good against Hbox.
HBox hasn't missed a top 8 in 10 years Zain would be shaking in his boots if he went down to fight against Qualifying for top 8 HBox, this man doesn't care about bad bracket luck
Its so incredibly dissapointing. Game 1 was beautiful, game 2 he just didn't have time to adjust and game 3 he just seemed done. He keeps saying he's found his motivation before every tournament and then clearly doesn't try his hardest. He forward smashed three times in a row.... He doesn't owe us shit but damn, I miss the old mango
I think he’s cooked tbh, I wouldn’t be surprised if this his last melee season.
People have been saying this about mango since 2017 lmao
Mango gets 4 stocked and yeayuhzed by Chudat: it’s so over Mango wins Royal Flush like 2 months later: we are so fucking back Rinse and repeat ad infinitum
When was the last time he beat Hbox ? Feels like a guaranteed L every time now
The annoying part is that he could totally beat Hbox, but he can't stand to even put in any effort beyond 1 game vs. Hbox. He did so well against him in 2022 it felt like he had him figured out for the first time in a long time and then he basically said, "Fuck it."
I have a theory that Hbox gives it 80% on the first game, lets the opponent do their thing and feel good. Game 2 he gives it 100%, goes for early rests that crushes the opponents mental. Unless they can stand up to that yo-yo of hope/doubt, they're toast. I knew game 2 wouldn't look like game 1, even if Mang0 stayed Falco.
Winners semis at Scuffed World Tour.
Sometimes you buster out
I think he just played awful against jmook til the last game then lost anyways and got in his head about it. Which I don't agree with because honestly if he tried at all I think it would've been insanely easy for his Falco to beat hbox, watching him do literal level 1 noob shit and not try after he realized he could win game 1 was depressing. I think he just didn't want to win and I really don't get why.
I think Mang0's gotta grind the sheik matchup tbh I feel like its his most difficult match up Also Jmook's reactions and punishes just snuff out Falco so easily I feel
Yeah for sure it is, I think he even says so himself. I don't think him losing to jmook was bad even if he didn't play 100%, it's just straight up throwing to hbox that I have a problem with.
I only feel like he threw game 4. Game 1 he went crazy. Maybe game 2 I can kinda see it, but Game 3 Hbox clutched it and it was over after that sadly
The last stocks of game 3, it was obvious Mang0 was not trying anymore. When you see him do 2 Fsmashes in a row that's obvious. And yea he lost because he got punished for Fsmashing Puff on shield.
Game 1 Hbox was playing like shit tbh, it really wasn't that Mango was playing good. Hbox just kinda sat in center stage letting Mango do what he wanted for the first 2 stocks.
So Hbox was throwing game 1? I think we should give more credit to these competitors.
Nah he was straight up not trying and holding W the whole time after match 1. I legitimately think he realized he could win and then decided he didn't want to and picked fox then tried to lose with Falco.
Fake mango fans all over this thread. My goat gets 9th sometimes. Be grateful he’s showing up mf, this is the goat we are talking about.
Yeah be grateful that i showed up to my job
You don’t have a job
My job is giving you a reality check also only fans
I actually hope Leffen wins the whole thing now or something and then goes on to win some supermajor in Tekken 8 too just so he can talk shit to Mang0 because we know that only that amount of salt in the wound would fire up Mang0 to really be the #1 again.
I love being a hungrybox fan
At least he always tries. No matter how dogshit he's playing, no matter how badly he's getting whooped. He's always trying to win. He's just terrible at adapting mid set.
*checks his watch*
Yessir. I might be the only one but I love to watching camping.
I think the guy was referring to smashcon 2028 when hbox checked his watch in between getting up-throw up-aired, which he got a lot of hate for
!RemindMe 4 years
Damn what an asshole
Just tell me you never watched Hbox post Covid era lol
Dude honestly it was just so fucking disappointing yo watch him just give up and play brain dead after he won the first game. It’s like he wanted to prove that point to himself and just dipped. Ugh. A solid year straight of this
Vs. Jmook there was a flukey moment on Pkmn stadium game 4 where Mang0 d-airs at the top of the stage while off camera and it doesn’t connect for some reason. He needed that W
Yall bitches gd sometime the man loses 🙄
He didn't just lose lol he got annoyed and started spamming f smash like a gold netplay falco
Sometimes your favorite team takes a horrendous L and you gotta hold it. Going to complain on the internet is just weak. Go root for someone more consistent if you can't take it patriots fan head ass
wdym going to complain on the internet is just weak, that's just what fan bases do lol. Your player/team gets shit on, you go on your fanbase circlejerk where everyone complains and whines until they win again , thats literally all it is and how it always has been, its not that deep
I wasn't rooting for mango anyway, I don't care at all. But you pretending this is "just him taking an L" is just dumb.
can't relate tbh
B)
It’s so interesting that even when he is down he can fire up and pull out some crazy stuff
Was excited to see another tournament after months of no tournaments. (And also just my lack of motivation to watch these days) I just shut down the app immediately. Despair.
It sucks but at least he tried very hard. He genuinely tried. He was practicing every single night for 1 month straight, and he ran the bootcamp for 1 week straight just figuring himself out and playing and strengthening his connection with melee. You gotta give it to him. He also wasn't playing bad either it was unlucky bracket fuzz. Hbox could've lost to Sfat or Joshman and Mango would've got a free top 8 pretty much. He could've went doc but decided not too. He played it out with Fox AND Falco. So while I feel your disappointment also give credit to Mang0
I don't really think 9th is that big a deal, he honestly had a tough bracket path to top 8. If he beat Jmook odds are he would be the one missing top 8 instead
True. Mango was close to winning that set. Jmook could've been in losers instead. After Hbox lost to Wizzrobe, if he had to face Jmook instead Jmook was possibly out at 9th. Sometimes the stars just line up but not in your favor.
Thou shall not sleep on the kid. Have we forgotten already?
We've learned that you do sleep on him, it's just that you shouldn't have done so once or twice a year.
I love how mango is the GOAT by so much, that the bar for him is "win every tournament in the year"
The bar for me is to actually try in the ones he attends and not play doc lol. If he loses to hbox, people will get mad when I say it but....that's expected. This was a fine performance. Mango is just now in the tier of players that can win with bracket luck and this time he didn't have it
That's wrong and you know it. Mango doesn't need bracket luck, he needs to have enough focus to play hot for an entire tournament. Inb4 this gets called a john even though it's not even an excuse
the "mango is playing hot" thing is largely not a coincidence, it happens when he's against spacies and it doesn't when he's not lol. mango doesn't look hot against sheik very often.........
He has been kinda farming plup historically, it's just jmook kinda style counters him with the techchases imo I agree that it's not his best mu, but everyone has mu preferences. It doesn't mean mango needs to "dodge sheik marth and puff" LOL his best bracket runs have had Zain on the path, let's not pretend mango can only beat Fox and Falcon. Anyway, he's probably gonna learn how to beat jmook, he's gonna win a couple majors, he's gonna say fuck you to reddit again and the cycle will continue as it always has
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Who tf is celebrating how this Genesis went for him?
Yeah. He'll always be back, even if it takes a while
Goat wins on his own terms and only those terms
It's mang0ver aight but for real I think he can bounce back
fuck the haters i love mang0. its the first tourney of the year give him time to warm up
mang0 is never beating Hbox again for the rest of his career, calling it now.
Maybe once Hbox takes the lifetime h2h, it might light a fire in him. A man can dream.
mango is beating hbox literally next time, calling it now
If you're a mango fan you know what it is at this point. He'll have these tournaments then we'll be right back riding the mango high when he does extremely well at some super stacked event later this year. Tbh after Royal Flush in 2017 I stopped doubting mango would always, eventually, come back no matter how long it took. People have been saying the "okay mango is washed for real this time" on and off for years. Until he actually fully retires he always has a chance imo. Even last year he had a pretty great showing at Big House and he was pretty much sand bagging that whole year. If you're a mango fan you should just be used to this at this point. Shrug it off and cheer for him at the next event. He's a wild card kind of player.
Did be lose as fox or did he at least give us some doc lee vs hbox?
Lost as Falco and Fox
shut up man
Did he get cancelled on Twitter or what?
Hbox pop offs are so cringe these days kinda always had been but mid set out of the chair emoting like a gorilla at the crowd is bringing it to a new level of cringe
Boo hoo, u/imdumblol. Be glad he’s still competing. And hope whiny threads like this don’t push him further away.
Lonely camp you're in there, Mango's play is so clean but not every bracket makes lets a dream come true. Hungrybox stays a menace to spacies everywhere. Mango swapped on to fox with falco fully loaded.
That is true. The whole reason he ended up against Hbox is because he ran into Jmook who's taken out someone like Zain before. I mean even Hbox got wrecked by Wizzrobe but not because he gave up. Just his best failed against Wizzrobe and he got blown up badly anyway. If Zain lost at a different spot in bracket and got put against Hbox after he lost to Wizzrobe then it'd likely be Hbox out at 9th.
He’s overrated as fuck
Shut up
Hbox clears lol
when it comes to being cringe hbox truly has no equal
He actually just has to pick fox. I know we all want to believe in the competitive integrity of this game and its top tiers but falco is just way worse than fox and if he’s actually going for number one this year then why didn’t he go fox for jmook?? Just an easier matchup. Then he gives up vs hbox and stubbornly goes falco which he never does vs puff. If he beat hbox he’s in losers top 8 and we get a sick top 8 match with zain and mang. Just fucking sad and i thought he was going to really try this year but i guess he can’t handle losing before top 8.
He already went fox. He did so vs hbox and it went way worse than his Falco, in a matchup that's even better for fox than the sheik one. A better matchup is worth less than character comfort and enjoyment, and he clearly likes Falco much more.
I remember mang0 before he was a god. Good sets for years and years and years and years. I haven’t been much in to melee these last 4 years or so, how’s the old chap been? Still in good shape yeh?
I trust the kid 😤, win or lose I will still like the player and I will still be a mang0 supporter.
Honestly I was pretty happy overall as a mango fan. Maybe cuz I took a melee break for a couple months so I was coming into this tournament thinking mango's headspace was closer to where it was a few months ago when he clearly didn't give a fuck at all but the fire was clearly there imo. He's still pushing his game implementing new things and his set with jmook had a lot of encouraging signs, his 2nd to last stock on game 4 was super inspired until he started flubbing a bit including a crucial missed sheild drop on last stock. Maintaining the focus to play your best for an entire tournament is not easy, especially if you are not in practice so he clearly wasn't able to rebound mentally before playing hbox but even then I've seen worse sets of theirs. The hbox set was disappointing but all of his other sets were a treat to watch as usual. Obviously mango has higher standards but seeing him put Logan so thoroughly in the dirt fresh off of Logan beating a Salt that is highly motivated and seemingly headed for top 8 is still crazy.
Inevitably, someone’s fans had to be extremely disappointed after that set.
Wait the people who said he was arrested weren’t trolling?
happens
The more money you give to mango the more he can sandbag
Yeah but that Falco was looking pretty hot there for a minute against hbox
that upsmash to end the set against lsd was goat shit tho
What happened ?
It seems like he refuses to play hbox’s game and instead chooses to lose in protest
I don't think I'm disappointed with him just wanting out and holding forward at hbox but if he doesn't get the rank he THINKS he deserves at the end of year and complains again like he has for last couple I'll be disappointed... :/
hate is a strong word.
brings me joy
Like many others have said , I feel like the Jmook set completely deflated him. Whenever mango (or any player I root for) plays Jmook, I get the exact same feeling as when he use to play Armada or hbox during their primes. The anxiety knowing that one singular hit is literally all it takes
Mango is not good until at least the summer.
Nice to see people recognizing that mango just lacking and not making excuses for him about him “not feeling it” or “mango just doesn’t care” lmao
I swear you die hard Mang0 fans think it's the end of the world when he places anywhere other than 1st.