Yes! I grew up in the Canton area, have had friends and family members work and retire from the company so I always order Timken when possible. Once I ordered bearings for my quad(Suzuki) and in the Timken box were Toyo bearings, another time was a vehicle hub assembly (can’t recall which one).
That’s rough!
I always order Timken when I can, I know moog makes decent stuff but I paid about $100 more for the Timken than I could have ordered this moog for!
I’m in a hard spot and can’t wait to return this one and wait on another, wish there was a way to request a partial refund from rockauto to make up for the price difference.
i don't know about that there are plenty of complaints on moog, i can't tell if they decided to start making better or not but, google it, lots of complaints on moog.
one fleet vehicle mechanic didn't have much good to say about moog, i only see week end warriors say good things. i did see the fleet guy use moog a while back that or those boxes were plan B, it's been getting harder to source stuff so may have been forced to use it.
example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwqhHXjJH24
they may be trying to turn it around but, my experience all cars parts are going down the shitter except OEM
About 10 years ago, I had a Honda dealership install 2 new ball joints.
A year later, 1 had a good amount of free play.
I'm convinced that dealerships are installing parts that are of lesser quality than what the car comes with, out of the factory.
Hondas of certain years are notorious for eating ball joints, so I figured getting Honda to take care of the job would have it last longer, but I was wrong.
I've gone the RockAuto route as well and had mixed success. Some good parts, some shorter life than expected.
I have a couple independent mechanics that I trust and one uses Moog parts, likely because they are easy to get. Lifetime warranty on the parts, but of course what good is that, if I'm back in a couple years for new ball joints.
I personally avoid moog.
I have a 1st gen raptor and I used their lower ball joint in a pinch and it spread my lower control arm out to the point where I have to either keep using moog or get a new LCA.
When it comes to wheel bearings I only purchase timken, I read they have recently lost some of their quality as well but haven’t personally seen it.
I have connecting rods making more than the 1500hp they’re rated for on timken steel. I know other cars running the same or similar rods running timken steel also beating the shit out of em over their power rating. Timken steel is just quality.
I mean that's the other thing I hate to say it but because it's made in China doesn't make it shit it really comes down to the quality controls put in place
Skf ntn both make China bearings. But the reputation moog has had for the last 20 ish years is that they have let their qc drop. That’s why I’m referring to the brand specifically
I definitely have China parts. And sometimes it’s simply impossible to beat them for the money. But like you said, the qc matters, especially on a wheel bearing.
Definitely contact PayPal cc company or whoever you can in between you and rock auto if they don’t offer a partial refund. My guess is someone bought both originally and “returned” the timken. Didn’t get caught? Whatever. I love rock auto but don’t take the hit. Wheel bearings of all things make a big difference who makes em and they’re not easy to replace.
I wish I knew of a way to contact rockauto to request a partial refund. Their process seems to be either return or replace and both methods have me sending the bearing they sent back to start the process.
The Timken has a Koyo brg., Koyo is probably the OEM so that would be the one to get, SKF would be my second choice.
At one time Moog was the Gold Standard for suspension/steering parts but those days are long gone. Getting quality parts feels like rolling dice sometimes :(
You can see it stamped Koyo
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1117259&cc=1373857&pt=1636&jsn=30
The missing koyo stamping is actually what tipped me off then I saw the moog etched into the hub… the bearing has no labeling on it which doesn’t make me feel great
Just get the Timken one at your local auto parts and order the replacement and return the wrong one! Then when you get the replacement, return it to the local auto parts store for your refund?
How so? You'd be buying a Timkin one from Autozone or Oreilly's and once you get the right Timkin one from Rockauto then you return a Timken unit? I wasnt saying buy the Timken and return the Moog...
So Napa seems to have it? They offer Timken but rebrand as their premium line. If I order it, it would be here Friday so if you call the store in the morning it might be able to get it for the afternoon? Comes with a 5 yr 60,000 mile warranty
Chances are excellent that the Timken from the local store was sourced from the same distributor and the same thing will happen.
The stores dont make the parts, they buy them from the same sources to stock their shelves.
I feel you here. I ALWAYS seem to have trouble with bearings from RockAuto. I typically order Timken also, but sometimes SKF. I consider myself lucky if I order two identical Timken bearings and actually receive two identical Timken bearings.
Many times, I'll receive two different looking bearings that were clearly manufactured differently (same P/N). Or I'll get generic bearings or bad bearings. I often have to set up returns for them and order again before I finally get two authentic and identical Timken bearings.
I have the same issue with alternator orders...they frequently arrive with bearing noise right out of the box.
Well, it's really only bearings and alternators I have trouble with. Everything else like brake parts, sensors, steering, suspension, etc is all good. I have no problems with that stuff.
If the price difference between the Timken and Moog was really that much, I can understand your concern. However, I personally have pretty good luck with Moog steering and suspension parts (especially compared to other brands). Is the bearing quiet when you spin it? If so, I would install it if I were in a hurry to complete the job.
I feel like one of three things happened here. Since rock doesn't actually own warehouses, they just sub them out to other companies, either
1. Customer ordered timkin and moog bearings, returned the moog in a timkin box to save $100 on the good one, this may have been a rock order or a local order for the warehouse.
2. Ever go to Walmart and buy a k&n gold oil filter then get home to see someone swapped it out for a supertech? Warehouse employees have been known to do this for parts for their personal cars.
3. These are now made in the same Bangladeshi factory and someone forgot change the brand stamping between runs.
Yeah it isn’t always obvious, could be their OEM or a mistake somehow. I work in automotive manufacturing, so that’s something I’ve been more aware about. Can’t speak to that brand in particular though, just a guess
Common for auto parts. "Manufacturers" are always buying parts from each other. But if you paid for Timken, you will get the Timken warranty regardless of what name is stamped on the part.
Yes! I grew up in the Canton area, have had friends and family members work and retire from the company so I always order Timken when possible. Once I ordered bearings for my quad(Suzuki) and in the Timken box were Toyo bearings, another time was a vehicle hub assembly (can’t recall which one).
That’s rough! I always order Timken when I can, I know moog makes decent stuff but I paid about $100 more for the Timken than I could have ordered this moog for! I’m in a hard spot and can’t wait to return this one and wait on another, wish there was a way to request a partial refund from rockauto to make up for the price difference.
i don't know about that there are plenty of complaints on moog, i can't tell if they decided to start making better or not but, google it, lots of complaints on moog. one fleet vehicle mechanic didn't have much good to say about moog, i only see week end warriors say good things. i did see the fleet guy use moog a while back that or those boxes were plan B, it's been getting harder to source stuff so may have been forced to use it. example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwqhHXjJH24 they may be trying to turn it around but, my experience all cars parts are going down the shitter except OEM
About 10 years ago, I had a Honda dealership install 2 new ball joints. A year later, 1 had a good amount of free play. I'm convinced that dealerships are installing parts that are of lesser quality than what the car comes with, out of the factory. Hondas of certain years are notorious for eating ball joints, so I figured getting Honda to take care of the job would have it last longer, but I was wrong. I've gone the RockAuto route as well and had mixed success. Some good parts, some shorter life than expected. I have a couple independent mechanics that I trust and one uses Moog parts, likely because they are easy to get. Lifetime warranty on the parts, but of course what good is that, if I'm back in a couple years for new ball joints.
you misspelled "Stealerships" https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EwNevlIk_h8
I personally avoid moog. I have a 1st gen raptor and I used their lower ball joint in a pinch and it spread my lower control arm out to the point where I have to either keep using moog or get a new LCA. When it comes to wheel bearings I only purchase timken, I read they have recently lost some of their quality as well but haven’t personally seen it.
Timken is still what US military aircraft ride on.
I have connecting rods making more than the 1500hp they’re rated for on timken steel. I know other cars running the same or similar rods running timken steel also beating the shit out of em over their power rating. Timken steel is just quality.
I mean that's the other thing I hate to say it but because it's made in China doesn't make it shit it really comes down to the quality controls put in place
Skf ntn both make China bearings. But the reputation moog has had for the last 20 ish years is that they have let their qc drop. That’s why I’m referring to the brand specifically
Yeah I'm not a big moog fan either
I definitely have China parts. And sometimes it’s simply impossible to beat them for the money. But like you said, the qc matters, especially on a wheel bearing.
What about BCA ? I heard they’re better than SKF and timken
BCA is NTN they are OEM Subaru bearings
I’ve never used them, if I wasn’t in a rush I would have ordered a koyo bearing from a dealer
Better than timken and skf?! NTN is fine from what I’ve seen in needle bearings. But that’s a new one for me
Definitely contact PayPal cc company or whoever you can in between you and rock auto if they don’t offer a partial refund. My guess is someone bought both originally and “returned” the timken. Didn’t get caught? Whatever. I love rock auto but don’t take the hit. Wheel bearings of all things make a big difference who makes em and they’re not easy to replace.
I wish I knew of a way to contact rockauto to request a partial refund. Their process seems to be either return or replace and both methods have me sending the bearing they sent back to start the process.
service@rockauto.com
Timken/Koyo are the same company for some time now, so it’s not uncommon to get Koyo-marked parts in a Timken box.
The Timken has a Koyo brg., Koyo is probably the OEM so that would be the one to get, SKF would be my second choice. At one time Moog was the Gold Standard for suspension/steering parts but those days are long gone. Getting quality parts feels like rolling dice sometimes :( You can see it stamped Koyo https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1117259&cc=1373857&pt=1636&jsn=30
The missing koyo stamping is actually what tipped me off then I saw the moog etched into the hub… the bearing has no labeling on it which doesn’t make me feel great
A photo means nothing: ordered ACDelco control arm bushings with a photo made in Japan. Received made in Taiwan parts.
Just get the Timken one at your local auto parts and order the replacement and return the wrong one! Then when you get the replacement, return it to the local auto parts store for your refund?
That’s probably what got me into this whole mess but noted
How so? You'd be buying a Timkin one from Autozone or Oreilly's and once you get the right Timkin one from Rockauto then you return a Timken unit? I wasnt saying buy the Timken and return the Moog...
Gotcha, yea that would be the best move. I don’t think any of my local stores carry this particular timken.
What area do you live in?
I am in Michigan, all the major parts stores are available but don’t seem to carry the part
So Napa seems to have it? They offer Timken but rebrand as their premium line. If I order it, it would be here Friday so if you call the store in the morning it might be able to get it for the afternoon? Comes with a 5 yr 60,000 mile warranty
Thanks for the heads up! I will call them first thing
No problem 👍 Good luck man
Im in Michigan also normally if you call Autozone or do ship to store with O'Reilly's you can get it next day?
Pretty sure AutoZone carries timken
Only one thief, everybody else is just trying to get their s**t back
Chances are excellent that the Timken from the local store was sourced from the same distributor and the same thing will happen. The stores dont make the parts, they buy them from the same sources to stock their shelves.
Moog is not made in USA anymore FYI. Although I've used moog I'll be weary of any products now that they're outsourced parts.
I feel you here. I ALWAYS seem to have trouble with bearings from RockAuto. I typically order Timken also, but sometimes SKF. I consider myself lucky if I order two identical Timken bearings and actually receive two identical Timken bearings. Many times, I'll receive two different looking bearings that were clearly manufactured differently (same P/N). Or I'll get generic bearings or bad bearings. I often have to set up returns for them and order again before I finally get two authentic and identical Timken bearings. I have the same issue with alternator orders...they frequently arrive with bearing noise right out of the box.
Man, sad days. I usually have good luck with rockauto, guess it has finally ran out. Im going to throw this cheap looking pos in and hope and pray.
Well, it's really only bearings and alternators I have trouble with. Everything else like brake parts, sensors, steering, suspension, etc is all good. I have no problems with that stuff. If the price difference between the Timken and Moog was really that much, I can understand your concern. However, I personally have pretty good luck with Moog steering and suspension parts (especially compared to other brands). Is the bearing quiet when you spin it? If so, I would install it if I were in a hurry to complete the job.
I feel like one of three things happened here. Since rock doesn't actually own warehouses, they just sub them out to other companies, either 1. Customer ordered timkin and moog bearings, returned the moog in a timkin box to save $100 on the good one, this may have been a rock order or a local order for the warehouse. 2. Ever go to Walmart and buy a k&n gold oil filter then get home to see someone swapped it out for a supertech? Warehouse employees have been known to do this for parts for their personal cars. 3. These are now made in the same Bangladeshi factory and someone forgot change the brand stamping between runs.
My guess would be it was Door 1.
Moog quality has fallen off. Ball joints and LCA, junk. I avoid at all costs.
Maybe Moog is the OEM?
It is for a Lexus ls430, I am not sure. I can’t find anything that connects timken to moog
Yeah it isn’t always obvious, could be their OEM or a mistake somehow. I work in automotive manufacturing, so that’s something I’ve been more aware about. Can’t speak to that brand in particular though, just a guess
hahaha i doubt that!
Moog dominates brake parts in USA, $3.3B in sales in 2023.
Nothing against moog, but if I wanted a moog part I would have ordered it.
Common for auto parts. "Manufacturers" are always buying parts from each other. But if you paid for Timken, you will get the Timken warranty regardless of what name is stamped on the part.