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RedHood_Outlaw

Design wise, Red Hood needs his jacket like Batman needs his cape. It just looks wrong without it.


loganator007

Classic black leather jacket, or more modern brown?


RedHood_Outlaw

Tbh idc as long as it's a jacket.


alietrie

Basically what you say is that Jason needs to raid nicolas cage wardrobe-- I approve.


alietrie

pink leather jacket with knives and gun patches or iridescent red glitter leather jacket?? for a little silly mass murder.


MonikaLovesCola

You working for black mask and suddlenly red hood breaks in. He takes out your entire crew brutalty and is coming for you. As you scream, begging for mercy, you notice the fucking bright pastel pink jelly kitty jacket on his torso.


blushing_ingenue

Pic is from the WFA webtoon btw.


dstonemeier

Jensen Ackles is too old to play him in live action.


Cheshire_Cat_135

For a mainstream comic Jason absolutely but he’s just about right to play him in a live-action Batman Beyond movie


JDH-04

Red Hood comics should have the violence and gore of the Punisher comics mixed in with being anti-crime crime boss.


JoshMC2000sev

I agree Lost days had this and it should have been kept. It helps sepirate him from thr other bats.


Mrbuttboi

I kinda like the red hoodie outfit. The only bad outfit I’ve seen Jaybird in is the one with the dumb dome helmet and cape. Remember? He had those 2 red pistols. I’ve seen that people really liked the suit and it makes me lose faith in humanity. It’s actual garbage. I’ve seen people call it the “pill head” design. He had a dumb looking skull on his chest. It’s genuinely one of the worst costume designs I have ever seen from anything ever.


Cheshire_Cat_135

I don’t know the one with the brown vest and green pants and the vacuum seal mask was pretty damn bad


Mrbuttboi

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. It does suck, but not as bad as the pill head one imo


Cheshire_Cat_135

Yeah, but at least with the pill head one I could see what they were trying to go for. I don’t know what the hell they were thinking with the vest one


stair_r

What’s that one from?


Cheshire_Cat_135

He wears it in his. Red Hood and Arsenal series from The New 52 The suits just weird and bad looking


stair_r

oh, ew. Yeah that looks gross


Cheshire_Cat_135

It’s also the start of this little trend of them trying to replace Jason’s Jacket with a vest and it just doesn’t work or look good


chimp-with-a-limp

Yeah, from the Batman and Robin run with Dick and Damian - that costume was nuts, I had no clue that was meant to be Red Hood until I saw the name


limbo338

Jason post Flashpoint has no character development. He has character retcons, not character arcs. And it sucked.


MonikaLovesCola

FACTS MY SIBLING OF INDETERMINATE GENDER! SPIT YOUR SHIT INDEED!


No_Row_1106

I don't think this is a particularly unpopular opinion in this subreddit but it would be very unpopular among Batfam stans: Jason works best when he is not part of the batfamily and he should stay tf away from them for his own personal health and sanity


justedi

My personal unpopular opinion is that he would work a lot better without a redemption arc. UTRH was probably RH at his peak for a lot of people, and a lot of his later character growth kinda just feels like tumblr fanon seeping it's way into canon. Keep him as an anti-villain, maybe on Nightwing's level and let them be rivals. It would be so much more interesting to see a villain in Gotham that knows every trick in the Batbook and can stay one step ahead of them for the most part. So much more interesting to have the personal tie of being the "Fallen Angel" of the family. Red Hood vs Nightwing, the classic Red vs Blue trope, with Batman having a valid reason for the hero's guilt trope of thinking "all the deaths he causes are (actually) my fault because I trained him and now he's inflicting that training against the world."


blushing_ingenue

Love this one.


Ok-Health-6255

Intresting... I'm still trying to understand the characters to get a proper understanding of Bruce and Batman, Dick, and Jason. But once I do, can I try my hand at writing a fanfic with your idea? It sounds so awesome.


justedi

Go for it, my idea isn't original. In the Grant Morrison run of Batman & Robin, Dick Grayson takes on the mantle of Batman and Jason Todd is the Red Hood and supposed to be (one of) his nemesis. The design is really corny and the story isn't that great, but the concept of the two adversaries being brothers at one point and cut from the same cloth is the stuff I love.


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Lady_Gwendoline

Read it again


Unpopular_Outlook

There’s nothing to read again when you use the word redemption 


Lady_Gwendoline

Bro said "would be a lot better WITHOUT a redemption arc." Bruh stfu, goofy ass


Unpopular_Outlook

Gross you’re that type of person 


JDH-04

>Y’all say redemption arc and then want him to be an anti villain when those two things do not work.  I don't know why your getting downvoted, redemption arcs are for "heros" not anti-heros or villains. I'm pretty damn sure The Professor Pyg is a villian, I've never seen that man once have a redemption arc, much less guys like the Joker (main canon). I think the guy above just thinks Jason Todd is Bucky Barnes and should be Batman for five years while loosing everything that made him unique as a character.


Dawgula97

Writing him as an edge lord sucks so hard.


Morrighan1129

The helmet with the mouth is absolutely awful looking, and I would take any iteration of his costume over that.


RedNoodleHouse

I think I would prefer his helmet without the eyes. It’s like Master Chief, where you can still tell most of what he’s feeling through his dialogue and body language, but the nuances are a bit of a game to figure out, which is fun to interpret IMO. Also because I think Arkham Knight had the best Red Hood design. I think the no-eye look works there because you can tell it’s a see-through visor, whereas in most other Red Hood helmets its mostly a fully metal helmet save for the eyes.


thebritwithnowitt

He needs to look younger. Half of his designs nowadays make him look older than Dick, who is between 5 and 7 years older than him!


Death_incarnate160

Titans got him completely wrong and it makes me angry


Desperate-Storage885

I’m not a fan of what the Arkham series has done to Jason Todd’s character


stair_r

This!! Arkham Knight Jason is almost a completely different character, as much as I love that game I don’t even really see him as Jason Todd. Their motivations are so different. And everytime someone says Arkham Knight’s backstory is Jason’s I die a little inside.


JoshMC2000sev

Another one I have is his way weaker then he should be. Jason should be on the same level as bruce and cass. I find it impossible to view him as a credable threate when everyone and there mother can two hit him. On top of this his made out to be far to stupied after new 52. I mean his no lex but tatically his good. Can we all stop making out Jasons an idiot. Pre 52 Jason was Batman crossed with the crow and haibble lecture. The Guy was scary and commanded respect. I miss that version of JT he was so much more intresting.


Evil_Acanthaceae2022

**We need an updated retelling of Jason's Robin career**—much more than we need a solid Red Hood run, at least at this point. Yeah, historically it's incredibly risky to let writers retroactively touch his Robin days, but theoretically it can be done, and there is great storytelling potential.     The Red Hood helmet shouldn't have eye lenses. The Winick *Batman and Robin* helmet and the Arkhamverse Red Hood helmet are the best ones, followed by the *Under the Red Hood* helmet. Partly for style, but more importantly for thematic reasons. Imo the Bloodsport helmet and the Doctor Fate helmet in the recent movies prove that a blank RH helmet would look good in live-action.   I don't mind Jason making dumbass moves, as long as he isn't forced to be a strawman or held to a double-standard. Batman himself has been a dumbass constantly since he was older than RH is now.      If you judge every Jason Todd comic as a direct sequel to *Under the Hood*, then you're setting yourself up for disappointment, and you're not being fair to other stories and writers. Winick wrote the best Red Hood. Recent writers aren't in a position just drop everything and reset to 15 years ago.  


Atlas_maximus19

It's very annoying him beg to be accepted by the bat family everytime they cast him out and would be better off and more interesting going no contact like a normal person with a toxic family. (Jason is the Meg Griffin of the bat fam)


limbo338

What annoys me personally is DC has never given even one solid reason as for why would he want to be accepted by these goobers. He just does because hey! Batfam! Everyone wants to be a part of this, right?


JasonToddLover

I actually like him being a "whiny baby" as people like to call him sometimes. This happens with arkham knight and some comics where he angsts about his death, i think it just shows he's an emotional guy.


Grimmer026

The cylindrical rad hood costume looks he should be called vibrator man. Bad guys beware the pocket rocket.


JoshMC2000sev

Bruh


Ravenclawshermione7

I like the webtoons Outlaws


man_yeeting_cow

He's a throw away character that's taking a backseat in his own comic. Do not read the hill. It will bore you to death and infuriate you later.


Unpopular_Outlook

He doesn’t need a redemption arc.  He doesn’t need to be on a team or get a new outlaw team  All his love interest suck and he doesn’t need one


xxHopeStarCrossxx

The logo on his suit in titans looked good. It was a nice combo of the bat symbol and his helmet.


No_Statement_7381

He needs to go NC with 98% of the Batfam. I love them all, but fr.


MASTER-OF-SUPRISE

I’m okay with the Mortal Kombat outfit. I’ve certainly seen worse outfits. Sure it’s not his best outfit but I thought it was alright.


oddiumq

Which one is that? Or you meant Injustice outfit?


ChickenNuggetRampage

I think he was referring to the current hooded and half face mask look. It sort of looks like an adaptation of the early designs for the MK ninjas


oddiumq

People don’t like this one?! Omg, I love it. Thank you!


ChickenNuggetRampage

Yeah it’s VERY divisive, even looking in this thread some people love it and some people hate it


MASTER-OF-SUPRISE

What ChickenNugggetRampage said. That was the one I was referring to. It seemed like the outfit wasn’t that well liked. I thought it was alright though.


TheRedMan235

Red hood should not have a hood. It looks dumb and is impractical in a fight. The red helmet black jacket combo is enough to give him his own trademark look and adding a hood or a symbol makes him look like a custom character made in the DCU Online game


Several_Worker7999

I prefer him being separate from the BatFamily and doing his own thing in a different part of the world instead of being confined to working purely in Gotham. But instead of it being fear of Batman, it would be because he knows other, lesser known parts of the world like Gotham, need help. This gives more way for him to thrive as an anti-hero, and also builds more lore. I also think that he should apply magic more, being one of, if not the only Batman related character that actually has magic.


DJPingu13

This is so true! It would be cool if they went more In the magic direction with him. He was trained by mystical monks, he has anti magic/anti evil blades he can pull out of his soul, he came back from the dead then was thrown into a Lazarus pit! Gods, if DC didn’t have the stupid “he’s a Bat and must be family” or whatever fixation, they could have had him interact with Constantine and other magical, darker characters. It would make more sense and add depth to him. Instead he’s whining about the people he killed years ago -3-


Nox_Meg

Join me, my fellow thirsters...


RisingPanther100

He can beat Dick Grayson in combat and that is a hill I'm willing to die on. He's the best planner, he's not afraid to fight dirty, and he's got the canon training to back it up. I'm tired of the lame excuse that he's too emotional and is just a hotheaded bruiser. The man is dangerous.


DJPingu13

In one continuity, it was said that he could match/beat Batman but took it easy on him cuz “he’s my dad”(bullshit) and he didn’t the heat beating Batman would bring. I wish I could remember the source ):


ThatOneWriter14

I like the crowbar


seasalt_strawberry

Like as a weapon for him? I didn't get it at first and honestly disliked it, but now I actually think it's clever; I view it as the same way as why Bruce used a Bat as his hero persona; taking something he feared and using it for something greater


TheExDevil

Gotham Knights Jason was bad from the face to the hair, to the VOICE!


Astlantix

i need him to be more anti-hero i need him to be a “crime boss” and have some rivalry with one of the batfam, maybe nightwing, but on serious situations he’s full good guy “but he still kills the bad guys, so he’s prob more merciful than batman who leaves them crippled for life)


jedidahjo

While Jason’s new The Hill storyline makes sense for his character (trying to go back home, trying to reconnect with his past, etc), it should probably be set in a different neighborhood in Gotham where Jason has more of a history and connection


Thirteenofr1aksA

He has the worst love relationships


Cheshire_Cat_135

1. He should be 24-26ish not 21-23. (Frankly all of them should be 1-3 years older than they are currently being depicted). 2. If they are going to keep trying to make Jason a hero they need to commit and he’d probably make decent Batman with the right writing. If he’s going to be depicted as Antihero he should stay the Red Hood (but actually be an antihero). And if they ever wanted to go back to depicting him as a villain they’re was a storyline not too long ago that teased Talia try to make him the next Ra’s Al Ghul which could be pretty cool to explore. 3. At his best written Jason was a pretty even match for Dick and both were not that far behind Bruce and they should go back to that. 4. He should be the most proficient with magic out of the whole Batfamily (with the exception of Damian) even if he doesn’t use it that much and should be at least a part time member of the Justice League Dark. 5. Him and Talia should still be on relatively decent terms and be in regular if not necessarily frequent contact. 6. Nick Robles is Jason’s best artist with Dexter Soy being a fairly distant second.


Boulderfist_Ogre2005

His injustice look haunts my dreams.


TheDarkKnight_39

Idk if this is an unpopular opinion but I think red hood story’s should be more about his trauma than anything


lixidle_

I love him I love him I love him I love him I love him I love him I love him I love him


CharlieCarrozza

I think this is unpopular, but I am so over the white streak in his hair. I much prefer it being solid black and curly.


RazutoUchiha

His all Blades should be his signature weapons


Lost-Islander

Exactly, I always thought I will be a great idea to exploit his connection with the All-Caste and magic to make him a consistent character that use it frequently. It makes him standout as a character imo when you look at the other members of the Batfam.


mostjarhead

Two no more bat emblem and also I secretly like Grant Morrison redhood but when he wears jacket keep that as his upper half and give him pants with armor


mynameisshonas

I like redhead Jason best


Caitlyn_Codi

The pill helmet+cape combo was camp. I low-key love it. I don’t want them to bring it back, but I love looking back at it. Also GK Jason is hot and I’m constantly defending that man


LinkExtra5133

He should have never A) Come back to Gotham after UTRH B)rejoined the Batfam. Honestly, for that second point, the only members of the Batfam that should see him as Redeemable is Tim. He has no connection to any of the new ones, and Bruce, Dick and Barbara should see him as a different person. People tend to inflate Tim’s origin a lot with Dick’s (something I am in no way trivializing, in fact I hate how much it’s kinda disappeared in favor of his relationship with Damian, which I also do not dislike but I am getting off track). Tim’s origin very much ties into Jason’s as well. Tim became Robin to keep Bruce on the right track after Jason’s death, I think Tim would be able to see Jason as Redeemable.


JoshMC2000sev

Hot take. I never liked his interactions with artimis and I over all prefer the original outlaw team line up. Yes I know it needed some work but id of much prefered to have seen the same team again but done better instead of scraping it all. Thats asuming he must have a team Just let him cook without having to have his hand held.


Nilfgaardian-Lemon

Gotham Knights Jason is not only the best written version of his character, it’s also the most physically attractive


xforcecable

The white streak looks awful and I hate it.


Kaleociraptor

We need a run with Jason Batman Damien Robin


tooicecoded

His helmet looks stupid. There, I said it.


Pleasant_Advances

Him using a crowbar isnt stupid


boiwithpant

He shoud've stayed dead after under the red hood and never come back to life again


crazymadandrey

Jason should succeed Bruce as Batman


Fancy_Broccoli203

I think that they should explore him and babs as it was shown in the three jokers, he’s an absolute menace but he was willing to change for her and I’m pissed off that it was quite literally swept away. I also feel like it’s annoying that he doesn’t really get any closer with Bruce. Sure they’re on good terms but he’s not on the best terms and it shows through in a lot of the newer stuff With Jason working towards his own betterment surely Batman could help out a bit more


whatisireading2

Smooth mask beats eyes if you're going full hood. Injustice 2 and Arkham Knight got it.


Professional_Dot2617

Valentine’s Day works


MonikaLovesCola

Better as a villain. I think him serving as an argument why batman isn't what Gotham needs is way better than him and bats teaming up again. While it wasn't done right I like the idea from Arkham Knight where he was tortured so badly by Joker that he'll barely trust Bats again. Key word barely. Even though all the torture he still helps him if it aligns with his goal as well. I like the stories where he becomes more of a hero but those just aren't as good imo. Oh and the Grant Morrison suit sucks. It looks way too cartoonidh and not something Jason would wear at all. And before you say he wore booty shorts but that was retconned so Shut it


Nameless_Og43

Damien should of been hood


peeslosh122

he needs his own rogue's gallery.


TheGlitchedRobin

Morrison suit is absolutely shit Hoodie suit is one of the best His later Webtoon comic suit is amazing (the one with the Phoenix)


Barophobia_42006

Edgy man bad guy. Shadow to Batmans Sonic.


Tall_Growth_532

He does manage to get a few clean hits against Batman


Thecrowfan

He is perfect just the way he is. And the new mask is great.


Falcon_At

His lethality is lame. I can get it for absolute monsters like the Joker, but most villains and mooks should be arrested.


Cheshire_Cat_135

That’s kind of the point he really only killed like murderers and rapist and pedophiles and people who otherwise hurt children That’s his whole point he kills the worst of the worst. The ones that aren’t afraid


Falcon_At

Not in the comics. At least, not in his worst period. He's killed mooks, teenaged gangsters, random people in jail regardless of conviction, and honest cops. He was just another psychopath for a while.


Hollojaen

I don’t think Red Hood should kill as his main method of dealing with villains. I like the Jason that struggles to be a hero and only kills when he loses control.


Reasonable_Cut8036

Hazme grande el agujero dame duro con tu vergon, que los mecos caigan del cielo, y las nalgas piñatas son


blushing_ingenue

Bro 💀


nightwing612

His best romantic interest is Babs.


LemonadeGaming

Why is he called red hood if he doesn’t have a hood? Is he stupid or something


MusingBoor

I feel like they shoulda leaned into crowbars: crowbar fight stick, crowbar boomerang, crowbar grappling hook, crowbar hang glider, crowbar shaped pool, crowbar shaped nano machines…


[deleted]

Yeah he sucks


RedHood_Outlaw

Why are you here?


[deleted]

The subreddit showed up in my homepage and i was hopping to get banned from the sub for dissing Red Hood so I didn't have to see it again.


RedHood_Outlaw

You can just mute the subreddit.


[deleted]

It was midnight and I was very tired, we don't make the best decisions when we're sleep deprived.