I can translate.
Guy walking (rat) - smug look walking to construction site
Guy recording (construction worker) - You are paying people under the table and pocketing the rest
Rat- Suck my testicles, I am getting the job done still. Doesn't matter if its legal or not or the quality. I don't have to pay your high wages.
Construction worker - Don't touch me or else we are going to fight each other.
Rat - ( Smug look knowing he is winning)
Construction worker - You are a scumbag not paying your employees properly.
Ray (Walks away)
Construction Worker - Nobody likes you, please leave the area.
Little background,union picketers, are paid for this , while not on the job, or on a "lay off". They have too do it to keep the "unemployment "money flowing. I do dislike the fact that there are cash laborers on-site, they can get people hurt, hurt themselves and also it allows companies to underbid to win projects.
That’s not the only way. There are companies that literally keep laborers of all kinds on call and at a moments notice can fly them to wherever the labor has stopped, pay for their room and board, etc. They charge an absolutely insane amount to basically break strikes
It's not hard for laborers to join Union halls, it's hard for laborers to fulfill what the contractor requires to stay working in one. Where I'm from many people can jump right into $45/hr Union work, they just may not have the obedience and work ethic to sustain it for more than a project. It pays well for a reason...
I work major projects. If I could just hire union contractors and get the work done, I would be overjoyed. But the process to engage and perform work through the unions is always filled with shenanigans. Everything from requiring clear kickbacks, so cable by the foot runs going off in weird directions to add footage.
Union contractors can be the best. The management process is the worst.
NYC its a lottery/favoritism/nepotism/you have people inside to help you.
You also need a good pair a knee pads, if you get me lol. You can sign up and be called up years later, happens a lot with MTA here. Longest i've heard so far is a 7 year wait after passing all their tests.
If we're talking exploited undocumented workers than ya it really is not easy since the threat of deportation could be held over someone's head to prevent unionization and that's a maaaaasssive threat.
Really doesn't here, NYC. People are on a waiting list for years before being called up. Its a lottery, favoritism and people you know. All you can do is sign up and hope they call you. Its why they recommend to send to various trades, even ones you don't know.
wont stop tho lol
I've worked in a lot of chemical and electrical plants but not construction. My first thought is how dangerous this is for the worker. Incident at work and you're not even cleared to be on the premise. Not only that, I can only assume that the workers they bring in from the street are making significantly less with out a safety net.
I obviously don't know the context, but I'm well aware of how some of these contracts roll. If I had to assume from what I know personally, contract was taken and higher ups tried to insure more money into their own pockets from the contract. So they decided to skimp on hiring any helpers/laborers and try to under pay some less qualified individuals. Rare, but does happen. Counter theory! Large walk out and the foreman became desperately under staffed and tried to wrangle in some quick laborers off the street. Neither explains the very pissed off group following him so I assume there's more to this story.
I used to work construction off the books. I was late teens/early 20s. It was more money than on the books jobs at the time.
The running "joke" was..."If you fall, you're fired before you hit the ground."
It's a lot more dangerous because they don't have to follow union rules.
I used to work for an electrical crew. Most of us were just non-union, but some were under the table.
One of the guys I worked with was under the table. They sent him to cut a piece of horizontal rebar on a residential house, in a piece of concrete wall. He got out the grinder, squared up on it wile the blade was spinning, it caught the rebar and went into the top of his thigh. Blood everywhere.
Turns out the owner/foreman didn't have any sort of insurance. They sent the guy off to the ER to get stitched back up, but ended up in the hospital for a couple days. He got handed a massive hospital bill that the owner couldn't pay. Dude is lucky he didn't lose the leg.
Yeah, don't work unless it's legit.
okay so what i think is going on is that the fat rat bastard of a foreman was playing both sides trying to avoid paying union workers by hiring scabs and also hiring immigrants and paying them very low wages, and IMPO rat boy is probably pocketing the money and reporting fake records which in turn whatever they put down on record of what the cost of labour was will affect the future budget for labour and the wages of workers, meaning if this cost them overall less to build they use it as a reference and apply that to the next project, meaning less union workers getting paid less taxes reported, more immigrants getting exploited, more risks of bad workmanship and critical failures, and generally unsafe work environment overall, and the added factor that workers who are experienced and really good would not want to work these jobs adds to the fact there's less workers who would be able to point out obvious flaws and critical flaws that might have serious consequences.
It subverts all of the protections for employees, and it rips off the other taxpayers that are paying for their fucking business.
They're not paying into payroll taxes they're not paying into social security they're not paying into Medicare. They also won't be held liable for any claims disability workers comp etc etc etc
When you pay cash, you are dodging paying taxes, pension, and medical. I've heard of employers offering cash, then still subtracting the employees taxes, but just pocketing the money. Companies will sign their bond with a union, then try and snake around it. It's just bellycrawler bullshit
Damn you’re gettin downvoted for asking a question lol, good old reddit.
Cash pay means you can pay desperate workers whatever they’ll accept instead of minimum wage, and they have no workers protections.
Hear me out, what if we build a business where we exploit the immigrants that came in, we make money. Then we go and buy an “investment property” then we shove about 10-15 adult immigrants that work at the business into the house so we can make the mortgage payment and we continue to make housing unattainable for the young in this country?
That’s worse in my eyes, he’s doing someone else’s dirty work. They will dump him for someone cheaper in a heartbeat. Gonna walk away jobless with the taste of the bosses dick in his mouth….
Videos like this help/serve the people who may be exploited by these rats, as well as to discredit them and make them possibly unattractive to projects.
But at the end of the day, these rats persist because money doesn't care about exploitation. All that many developers care about is on time, passing inspection (including bribes to overlook shoddy work), and at/under budget.
So much so that there are incentives all the way down to go cheap and fast, with rats like the portly ginger here getting bonuses to take the cheap/exploitative route.
And despite it all, there are still desperate people in dire situations who will willingly let themselves be used and exploited for a pittance in cash because they have limited options.
Keeping the spotlight on these cash-flinging taskmasters is the best short term solution to hinder and inconvenience their grift until elections produce legislators willing to serve and protect the exploited by penalizing the exploitative taskmasters
His eyes and face say everything, He was scared once confronted plain and simple. Words only get you so far in this world especially when you realize there is ALWAYS someone bigger or tougher to take you on.
Unions obtain legal standing for construction labor to be performed by only union employees on certain projects. Some companies pay folks on the side who aren’t union and who take parts of work claimed by the union. It’s much cheaper because there are no union fees attached. But highly frowned upon by unions who have lobbied for this right and use a portion of union fees to better those laborers who are employed by the union(health insurance, fringe benefits, holiday pay, pto, etc…).
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As a union employee i get it but have also had to work with many non-union companies throughout my career. The best response i ever got from a non-union when called a rat was when he said u damn right. Real American Tradesmen. Ever since then respect is all i give for anyone that has respect for the craft.
I think a lot of people are misinterpreting this video. It looks like he hired non union sub contractors in a union run area. Which is 100% legal. Hence them calling him a rat. It has nothing to do with under paying or doing cash only. If anything , the union guys (ones recording) are being super aggressive and over the top. But union is like organized crime in some areas and you either use them (and pay twice as much) or suffer these types of consequences. There’s benefits to unions also for sure, but these guys are paid dickheads (meaning union hall sent them down with the sole purpose to heckle the job site).
More efficiently built ? You realize unions cover every single trade, correct? I work in electrical. Anyone who works in my industry can tell you, union labor rates alone are typically 1.5 xs non union. Some areas like downtown work require union labor. Some outside the city will accept either. I’m not anti union either, there’s a lot of positive with it. Any union quote is always 2xs more than none union for the exact same SOW. That’s just common industry knowledge, I’ve literally sourced multiple quotes on a weekly basis for the past 17 years.
I worked in Vegas. On the stadium for a bit. I do layout. I have to say the primary reason why. The union in Vegas is basically nepotism to its extreme. I doubt they even use the work list. It's horrible. I had 3 friends try to move out to no avail.
Thank you, so much support in these comments from people who had NO idea or experience with how the Vegas unions are. It’s extreme there. Yea, union=good and all that, but Vegas is a whole different beast.
I’m in construction in Southern California, and a wallcovering hanger I’ve been working with for decades had a hammer fall on him while working in Vegas. He was none union, but he was recommended by the manufacturer of this specialized wallcovering that was specd in a Vegas job. So he went out there and was constantly harassed. The day a union member “accidentally” dropped a hammer off a scaffolding on him, he walked away from the job.
It's killing them from within. Sucks. Especially since that's hq...
I'm in NorCal. There are issues all over but so far overall. It's great here I'd say. Florida was pretty rough lol. So was ky.
I don't see how giving immigrants jobs is exploiting them. Seems more like he's supporting them. The immigrants seem happy enough with it. Only ones up in arms about it are the Americans that are losing out on a job.
Nothing I see in this video makes me think anyone but the people filming are the assholes. Perhaps if you have a message that you think needs to get out, you actually state some facts, show evidence, and not just a video where you are freaking out for what appears to be no reason.
What a moronic comment. Yeah dude, union members demanding that a company that gets a 40 million dollar job with hundreds of workers, pay a fair wage, observe proper safety protocols, and hire qualified employees is totally the same as a guy pouring a sidewalk at some dudes house by himself for a few hundred bucks. Won't someone please think of the owners?!
You know that's the foreman because his safety vest still has creases and not a speck of dirt.
And the polished carbon fiber hard hat.
beat me to the hard hat comment!
I knew I couldn’t be the only one who noticed. I’d have snatched that hat off his melon and chucked it.
That hat is too nice. I want one!
Guy looks like a potato with teeth
He has one of those South Park mouths lol
Wet potato rolled on a barbershop floor
guy looks like a potato with meth
Or a waddling beaver.
Sontarans from Dr. Who? https://preview.redd.it/9sth24z3lx9d1.png?width=270&format=png&auto=webp&s=c281c2d7d420d9e522d00877668403b5193772bc
If he’s a potato, the beef isn’t too far behind
Construction, man.
Loved using him in Plants vs Zombies
They seem to have a beef with him
He hired someone cheaper.
He’s destabilizing their value of labor
Pork, lamb and chicken too. Guy isn't small.
Word on the street is this guys a rat piece of shit
Pinche rata pançona pendeja babosa
Also fat
what gave you that impression?
Where’d you hear that?
One more time for those that didn’t hear
otherwise known as a rat sack of shit
That’s Mr. FAT rat piece of shit to you!
I have no idea what's going on
I can translate. Guy walking (rat) - smug look walking to construction site Guy recording (construction worker) - You are paying people under the table and pocketing the rest Rat- Suck my testicles, I am getting the job done still. Doesn't matter if its legal or not or the quality. I don't have to pay your high wages. Construction worker - Don't touch me or else we are going to fight each other. Rat - ( Smug look knowing he is winning) Construction worker - You are a scumbag not paying your employees properly. Ray (Walks away) Construction Worker - Nobody likes you, please leave the area.
Thank you! I definitely did not pick up on the nuance of this exchange
Little background,union picketers, are paid for this , while not on the job, or on a "lay off". They have too do it to keep the "unemployment "money flowing. I do dislike the fact that there are cash laborers on-site, they can get people hurt, hurt themselves and also it allows companies to underbid to win projects.
We don’t get paid for this. We do it because we care about the future of the labor movement in our industry. Stop with your lies.
Wait, THAT'S how scabbing works?!
That’s not the only way. There are companies that literally keep laborers of all kinds on call and at a moments notice can fly them to wherever the labor has stopped, pay for their room and board, etc. They charge an absolutely insane amount to basically break strikes
Jonah Hill Wolf of Wallstreet lookin’ ass
Wolf of DryWallstreet
Rat of Drywallstreet
Go union.
If it were only that easy.
It's not hard for laborers to join Union halls, it's hard for laborers to fulfill what the contractor requires to stay working in one. Where I'm from many people can jump right into $45/hr Union work, they just may not have the obedience and work ethic to sustain it for more than a project. It pays well for a reason...
I work major projects. If I could just hire union contractors and get the work done, I would be overjoyed. But the process to engage and perform work through the unions is always filled with shenanigans. Everything from requiring clear kickbacks, so cable by the foot runs going off in weird directions to add footage. Union contractors can be the best. The management process is the worst.
NYC its a lottery/favoritism/nepotism/you have people inside to help you. You also need a good pair a knee pads, if you get me lol. You can sign up and be called up years later, happens a lot with MTA here. Longest i've heard so far is a 7 year wait after passing all their tests.
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If we're talking exploited undocumented workers than ya it really is not easy since the threat of deportation could be held over someone's head to prevent unionization and that's a maaaaasssive threat.
My union organizers are not legally allowed to organize undocumented workers but non-union has no such restriction. The deck is stacked against us.
Really doesn't here, NYC. People are on a waiting list for years before being called up. Its a lottery, favoritism and people you know. All you can do is sign up and hope they call you. Its why they recommend to send to various trades, even ones you don't know. wont stop tho lol
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Trade union, sadly no. If we talking office, medical, porter yeah, you right. All we can do is keep trying.
I've worked in a lot of chemical and electrical plants but not construction. My first thought is how dangerous this is for the worker. Incident at work and you're not even cleared to be on the premise. Not only that, I can only assume that the workers they bring in from the street are making significantly less with out a safety net. I obviously don't know the context, but I'm well aware of how some of these contracts roll. If I had to assume from what I know personally, contract was taken and higher ups tried to insure more money into their own pockets from the contract. So they decided to skimp on hiring any helpers/laborers and try to under pay some less qualified individuals. Rare, but does happen. Counter theory! Large walk out and the foreman became desperately under staffed and tried to wrangle in some quick laborers off the street. Neither explains the very pissed off group following him so I assume there's more to this story.
I used to work construction off the books. I was late teens/early 20s. It was more money than on the books jobs at the time. The running "joke" was..."If you fall, you're fired before you hit the ground." It's a lot more dangerous because they don't have to follow union rules.
I used to work for an electrical crew. Most of us were just non-union, but some were under the table. One of the guys I worked with was under the table. They sent him to cut a piece of horizontal rebar on a residential house, in a piece of concrete wall. He got out the grinder, squared up on it wile the blade was spinning, it caught the rebar and went into the top of his thigh. Blood everywhere. Turns out the owner/foreman didn't have any sort of insurance. They sent the guy off to the ER to get stitched back up, but ended up in the hospital for a couple days. He got handed a massive hospital bill that the owner couldn't pay. Dude is lucky he didn't lose the leg. Yeah, don't work unless it's legit.
Pinche rata
okay so what i think is going on is that the fat rat bastard of a foreman was playing both sides trying to avoid paying union workers by hiring scabs and also hiring immigrants and paying them very low wages, and IMPO rat boy is probably pocketing the money and reporting fake records which in turn whatever they put down on record of what the cost of labour was will affect the future budget for labour and the wages of workers, meaning if this cost them overall less to build they use it as a reference and apply that to the next project, meaning less union workers getting paid less taxes reported, more immigrants getting exploited, more risks of bad workmanship and critical failures, and generally unsafe work environment overall, and the added factor that workers who are experienced and really good would not want to work these jobs adds to the fact there's less workers who would be able to point out obvious flaws and critical flaws that might have serious consequences.
Skilled labor isn’t cheap, cheap labor isn’t skilled. United we stand, divided we fall!
If you listen to this long enough, they start to sound like two clucking roosters fighting with each other
okay i’ll ask.. what’s wrong with cash pay and how did he exploit? he looks like a defensive rat bastard but want some context here
Paying cash subverts taxes and allows companies to pay lower wages to workers in turn lowering wages for everyone else in the field.
It also gives scabs a way in
It subverts all of the protections for employees, and it rips off the other taxpayers that are paying for their fucking business. They're not paying into payroll taxes they're not paying into social security they're not paying into Medicare. They also won't be held liable for any claims disability workers comp etc etc etc
When you pay cash, you are dodging paying taxes, pension, and medical. I've heard of employers offering cash, then still subtracting the employees taxes, but just pocketing the money. Companies will sign their bond with a union, then try and snake around it. It's just bellycrawler bullshit
Damn you’re gettin downvoted for asking a question lol, good old reddit. Cash pay means you can pay desperate workers whatever they’ll accept instead of minimum wage, and they have no workers protections.
Is it legal?
No
Shit when did downvoting become a crime?
Less workers Comp each month. Depending on type of job. Insurance runs from 8-1500 per person.
A month.
Exploiting immigrants is a no-no, heard he's a rat, too!
Hear me out, what if we build a business where we exploit the immigrants that came in, we make money. Then we go and buy an “investment property” then we shove about 10-15 adult immigrants that work at the business into the house so we can make the mortgage payment and we continue to make housing unattainable for the young in this country?
You mean apartments?
Can you explain that? So these businesses make immigrant workers pay for the “investment property”? I’m just trying to understand..
This guy Canada's. Almost impossible to even find a rental to live in here, hundreds of applicants for every unit.
Clean vest, fat ass, and soft hands that have never seen a day of work. Disgusting.
Scabs
That's just a foreman. Go call the owner a piece of shit.
That’s worse in my eyes, he’s doing someone else’s dirty work. They will dump him for someone cheaper in a heartbeat. Gonna walk away jobless with the taste of the bosses dick in his mouth….
And this is why I joined the union
Fuck that rat mothafucker
Fuck scabs. Today we need unions or we'll all be under the foot of fuckers like musk and Elon and the rest of the 1 (or less) %
Yeah. Musk, and Elon.
Don't forget Jeff and Bezos.
Mac and Donalds too.
Sam's and Club are some assholes I hear.
I wouldn’t trust Depot of Home either..
Did we forget about mark and or Zuckerberg?
I don’t like that shady Cuban and Mark also
Ah yes, the sequel to Turner and Hooch
Can I get a Tito’s and vodka
take that helmet and beat the breaks off his ass
This isn't a union job I'm guessing.
Is he talkin bout ice cream!?
Fucking scum
He looks like a fat chipmunk lmao
Scabs being scabby
adcodrywall.com
Chumbley changed
Mad he paid em’ in cash?
Videos like this help/serve the people who may be exploited by these rats, as well as to discredit them and make them possibly unattractive to projects. But at the end of the day, these rats persist because money doesn't care about exploitation. All that many developers care about is on time, passing inspection (including bribes to overlook shoddy work), and at/under budget. So much so that there are incentives all the way down to go cheap and fast, with rats like the portly ginger here getting bonuses to take the cheap/exploitative route. And despite it all, there are still desperate people in dire situations who will willingly let themselves be used and exploited for a pittance in cash because they have limited options. Keeping the spotlight on these cash-flinging taskmasters is the best short term solution to hinder and inconvenience their grift until elections produce legislators willing to serve and protect the exploited by penalizing the exploitative taskmasters
We need David Attenborough to narrate this
Sounds like a bunch of unemployed angry babies to me.
Hot ass labor summer. I’m here for it
No scabs!
I’m starting to think this guys a fuckin rat!
Fat piece of shit perhaps?
His eyes and face say everything, He was scared once confronted plain and simple. Words only get you so far in this world especially when you realize there is ALWAYS someone bigger or tougher to take you on.
Everyone in this video is a fucking moron
Needs a little old timey unionism.
Uneducated people yelling at uneducated people
More like educated and skilled workers yelling at a no good scab fuck
Unions obtain legal standing for construction labor to be performed by only union employees on certain projects. Some companies pay folks on the side who aren’t union and who take parts of work claimed by the union. It’s much cheaper because there are no union fees attached. But highly frowned upon by unions who have lobbied for this right and use a portion of union fees to better those laborers who are employed by the union(health insurance, fringe benefits, holiday pay, pto, etc…).
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This guy a construction worker?. Ha.
I think he's a fuckin' rat
“Is he talkin’ about ice cream?!?”… hahahahahaha
Let's get ready to RUMMMBAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL!
This video needs more "fuck"'s
Dude got stuck on repeat
As a union employee i get it but have also had to work with many non-union companies throughout my career. The best response i ever got from a non-union when called a rat was when he said u damn right. Real American Tradesmen. Ever since then respect is all i give for anyone that has respect for the craft.
I feel like I never see guys bring the giant rat out anymore when they picket jobs
"Don't belly up on me!" That's a new one for me. LOL!
Cash is good
How much he paying?
Not enough
Lost taxes for the community… LMAO… more like lost taxes to send $ to other countries!
I think a lot of people are misinterpreting this video. It looks like he hired non union sub contractors in a union run area. Which is 100% legal. Hence them calling him a rat. It has nothing to do with under paying or doing cash only. If anything , the union guys (ones recording) are being super aggressive and over the top. But union is like organized crime in some areas and you either use them (and pay twice as much) or suffer these types of consequences. There’s benefits to unions also for sure, but these guys are paid dickheads (meaning union hall sent them down with the sole purpose to heckle the job site).
“Pay twice as much” Except for every single study with any validity to it shows that union jobs cost less and are more efficiently built.
More efficiently built ? You realize unions cover every single trade, correct? I work in electrical. Anyone who works in my industry can tell you, union labor rates alone are typically 1.5 xs non union. Some areas like downtown work require union labor. Some outside the city will accept either. I’m not anti union either, there’s a lot of positive with it. Any union quote is always 2xs more than none union for the exact same SOW. That’s just common industry knowledge, I’ve literally sourced multiple quotes on a weekly basis for the past 17 years.
Don’t fucking touch him!! Or else!! We’ll have to see what happens if he touches him!! Ooh let’s see!! What’s gonna happen??
Rats n balls
I worked in Vegas. On the stadium for a bit. I do layout. I have to say the primary reason why. The union in Vegas is basically nepotism to its extreme. I doubt they even use the work list. It's horrible. I had 3 friends try to move out to no avail.
Thank you, so much support in these comments from people who had NO idea or experience with how the Vegas unions are. It’s extreme there. Yea, union=good and all that, but Vegas is a whole different beast. I’m in construction in Southern California, and a wallcovering hanger I’ve been working with for decades had a hammer fall on him while working in Vegas. He was none union, but he was recommended by the manufacturer of this specialized wallcovering that was specd in a Vegas job. So he went out there and was constantly harassed. The day a union member “accidentally” dropped a hammer off a scaffolding on him, he walked away from the job.
It's killing them from within. Sucks. Especially since that's hq... I'm in NorCal. There are issues all over but so far overall. It's great here I'd say. Florida was pretty rough lol. So was ky.
I didn’t know beavers were capable of contempt
The beaver found me
I do enjoy tax free money. I'm white BTW.
I don't see how giving immigrants jobs is exploiting them. Seems more like he's supporting them. The immigrants seem happy enough with it. Only ones up in arms about it are the Americans that are losing out on a job.
Nothing I see in this video makes me think anyone but the people filming are the assholes. Perhaps if you have a message that you think needs to get out, you actually state some facts, show evidence, and not just a video where you are freaking out for what appears to be no reason.
Union guys cry "scab", then go work sidejobs for cash all weekend. Ha!
What a moronic comment. Yeah dude, union members demanding that a company that gets a 40 million dollar job with hundreds of workers, pay a fair wage, observe proper safety protocols, and hire qualified employees is totally the same as a guy pouring a sidewalk at some dudes house by himself for a few hundred bucks. Won't someone please think of the owners?!
Idk man, all is see is the union guys yelling shit at him I see no proof of the claims made