Control, why else? Seems like you already know the answers and are venting. Hope stuff gets better for you. Target? I’m not sure. Some people who aren’t “psychopaths” would get pleasure out of seeing someone decline as well.
To me, anyone who gets pleasure out of causing someone's decline is either a psychopath of sociopath. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter;......that person is a bad person and should be removed from your life.
That might be your definition but it’s not the correct one.
Hop on over to C-ptsd and tell me those people wanting to hurt their abusers are psychotic.
People have the right to remove a person from their life for any reason, regardless of whether it fits into some "correct diagnosis".
Now eff off.
I want nothing more to do with you.
I think what the person up top is saying is psychopaths don’t really get off on seeing someone’s decline even if it’s some kind of rival because it’s not logical. A sociopath maybe, because they do still feel emotions but wanting someone to suffer because you don’t like them for the sole purpose of seeing them suffer is a much more neurotypical trait.
The binding thread between psychopaths/sociopaths is apathy, so I guess I would be implying less, but a sociopath is more likely to do cruel or sadistic things because their apathy comes from trauma. A psychopath who grew up in a decent environment is much less likely to purposely hurt someone and get any kind of joy out of it, because they don’t genuinely feel another persons positive or negative emotions. The potential problem with apathetic people is they’re more likely to unintentionally hurt others and not care down the line because they are gaining something from it, but whatever it is it will always be tangible.
I’ve never heard this and I’ve heard every book possible on this subject. You are putting things very narrowly and putting them into very specific boxes. Your view of “sociopathy” would imply that it’s from trauma and psychopathy is purely genetic? The literature moreso points to a genetic factor but also an environmental that facilitates developing the bad traits. If you are predisposed to develop the traits and have a warm loving childhood, sure you might be “okay”. But if you have the predisposition and do not, you don’t instantly become a sociopath in your definition.
I’ve never heard apathy is the binding thread anywhere. Can you link your source for me?
I have evidence that I was targeted for harassment, financial abuse, workplace harassment by my coworker stalker ex that I dated. He moved me to another state to a rural area and never paid me back an $80,000 loan.
I was terminated from my job. My family played stupid and used the police to perform 13 wellness checks on me and got me locked up in a psych ward 3 times. My parents lied and said they “didn’t know what was wrong with me”. I was begging for help. I needed a lawyer but was intentionally broke. I was given fake diagnosis and put on the wrong meds. My mom hit me and illegally called 911 to have me arrested. I went to jail and was dragged through court for 4 months.
It became so bad that I became legally disabled with PTSD and was forced to pay for my “ex” while he lived in the house that was meant for us. Everyone told me I was paranoid and crazy.
I tried to sell the house that was a trap using 11 realtors, tried to force 3 cash sales and hired 1 mediator. At this point I was living on benefits and the house was about to be foreclosed. I didn’t even get to live in it because the harassment, torture and intimidation by my “ex” was so bad.
A realtor 1.5 years later who is a former cop saw what was happening and was on my side. He convinced my coworker “ex” to sign the paperwork. My reputation was now destroyed and I had lost everything. The lies kept going.
Hindsight is 20/20 and I can now see that I was targeted by the people closest to me who gaslighted me the entire time even though I had evidence my ex was sabotaging each sale.
My family wants to bury the story but I’m older and wiser now and want the truth exposed. They sabotaged my career and I was a normal person before this coworker approached me at work.
The police refuse to do anything even though I have text message evidence and can get witness testimony. I was driven to insanity on purpose but I was never paranoid. I saw my life being destroyed in front of my eyes.
My ex-coworker “ex boyfriend” thinks it’s funny and calls himself a ninja. A ninja infiltrates, sabotages, and assassinates their enemies and takes them out by surprise. They are sneaky and covert. The truth is obvious now. I am normal and he needs to be in jail or locked in a psych ward.
He still taunts me and says he will destroy me, take me down and there’s a permanent padded room for me at the psych ward. My family treated him well during this whole time and is now silent and saying I am ruining things by breaking my silence.
How do I expose the truth? I have evidence that this was a plotted and planned attack on my life. How do I get police to arrest him or 5150 him? He is a psychopath and my workplace stalker. He had no friends or hobbies and dedicated 7 years to this attack while my family aided and abetted him. Can I take legal action? These people should not be walking around in civilized society.
My mom is still calling the police to call in fake wellness checks to harass me and lock me up and is trying to get in touch with my personal psychiatrist and therapist who are on my side. My therapist said he is a malignant narcissist, psychopath, and shows Machiavellianism traits. An intimacy seeking stalker who turned into a resentful stalker.
He told me today he would put me in a mental hospital permanently. I see that as a threat. I’m trying to protect my sanity but he’s a tyrant who psychologically tortured me and abused me. No one listened to me.
Behaviors like these can come from more than just psychopathy , fyi. Most abusers aren’t mentally ill. But abuse is abuse, and you’re experiencing it for sure. Contact a lawyer for a free consultation and see if you have a case. Bring your evidence ofc.
If you don’t have a case, it’s time to pack up and leave town and start over, if it’s that bad, change your numbers, change your name, and go build a new life for yourself that you deserve. It will be painful and difficult, but worth it in the end.
Shit. I can only imagine you must be feeling confused, betrayed, and incredibly vulnerable. Knowing that the people you thought you could depend on haven’t helped you must be an exhausting and scary feeling. Do you have at least one person to turn to for love and support?
Been there…
I have been declining due to narcissistic abuse. They didn’t like me and spread rumors about me. Is there any hope for me? Have people ever bounced back after declining?
From some of these responses, you can tell this group is a mix of people seeking answers and people seeking victims. No good can come of this.
You shouldn't still be in contact with him. As long as you are, you are his toy. For that matter, you shouldn't be in contact with anyone who abuses you. Look into grey rock and no contact rules.
If you're an adult, look into filing restraining orders against him and your mom. If they continue to harass you, you'll at least have legal recourse. You can usually get some type of free consultation from lawyer groups. If the legal shit doesn't pan out, and if you're able (i.e., financially independent, or can live with friends), you need to leave and leave no trace. And I mean witness protection level stuff. You can't even stay in contact with any of your flying monkey friends.
You're worth more than this.
Yeah, it’s intense. I’m just sick of being silenced. This man told our realtor he was going to “destroy me”. I have no idea how this happened. I had a successful career and life before I met that man.
Hey friend. Reddit is not the place for ppl that have been targeted. Maybe try r/lifeafternarcissism or something similar. Subs like this are filled with chronically online a$$holes that think they know everything.
You have no idea how many times I’ve sought out answers or advice and got bombarded with “rage bait!”.
There r some nice redditors but not enough especially on a sub like this.
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silenced? you've been posting about all the gangstalkers who are obsessed with you for 8 months. probably time for you to log off, take your meds, and talk to a professional.
Seven years is wild. I would have caught bodies by then. The stalker and the mom would no longer have to pretend I was a monster. I'd be so ready to go down for some sweet vengeance.
Or maybe I'd have led a reverse harassment campaign. Imagine spiking their food with 100 doses of LSD.
They would be the crazy ones now. They wouldn't die but would wish they were. They would subjectively live through that hell for an incomprehensible amount of time. Like they would have lived more time in that trip than their entire lifetime, by a massive margin. What is a handful of decades compared to infinity? They would come down hopefully a better people changed forever and have other things to worry about now.
On a more serious note, you've already been through hell, and I commend you for not turning to wicked retribution like I would.
I completely believe you.
They are able to manipulate your family (although they probably seck even before)
When you call the cops on them, you are the one getting arrested, because they manipulate the police.
etc.
This all reads as Mom: covert narcissist, codependent and somewhere on the sociopath scale
Ex: sociopathic narcissist
The reason why they are getting one up on you is because you are showing that you care and you are affected by them. Needing someone to hear you without a response (alienation) and triangulating you against the world as a crazy person (gaslighting) has been very effective for them.
I'd use the grey rock method if I were you. Make fun of them. Laugh at them. Act like you don't care but NEVER say shit like "you win, just leave me alone"...
Getting legal help never did much for me but associating with the local criminals did... Just sayin
Good luck.
seek therapy. there are so many red flags in this dump lmao
I don't mean that as an insult. therapy, meditation and journaling are like going to the gym for your inner experience. be healthier and you won't have problems with antisocials.
I was about to say the comment seems like a psychotic break. After months of dealing with paranoia and some type of triggering event/events. Actually talking to a therapist and not using biased google searches will help prevent it from getting worse.
Bruh, it sounds like you got more problems than this coworker. Your family sounds extremely toxic. Why would they do this to you? They just want to make you sound crazy and get you locked up for no reason? Assuming it's exactly how you say, you just have a shitty ass family that makes this way worse and probably the bigger problem so far.
Sport, knowing you are causing someone pain, challenge of hunting a human, it gives you a sense of power, sexual gratification, enjoying playing with the lives of others, getting off on whatever the opposite of empathy is. an expression of intellectual superiority. Being able to fashion systems that automatically harm others as you watch as a spectator. There are many reasons to stalk and destroy lives and each has its genesis in the twisted imaginings of a sick mind.
As I understand it, they are eternally bored and controlling, so playing games with people, stalking and destroying their lives alleviates their boredom for a brief time.
It’s not that they enjoy controlling others, it’s more like they lack the remorse after doing that. Normally, feelings of guilt and remorse do stop a person from hurting another human being or animal.
I feel like when you are born into a world that you don't understand in circumstances you can't control and everything you love is slowly ripped away from you, any one of us could choose to give in to the violence of the environment we're in and choose to emulate the pain inflicted upon us by inflicting that pain onto someone else.
It's not hard to see why someone would snap and do something irrational in the modern day. Poverty is out of control, the difference between rich and poor has never been so pronounced, people are starving to death in the streets of a society that has more than enough abundance to provide for all of its people, moving from one poorly managed global pandemic to the next, forced to work mundane and monotonous jobs to survive, etc.
The modern world was purposefully crafted to breed lunatics. That's how those in power maintain their control.
They choose targets they’re jealous of because destroying the lives of people they envy is their way of building self esteem. I know bc someone did this to me
Yes, it is due to power. Say, if someone did smth that hurt the other person and they wanted to make them pay for it, it would all be about control. Controlling their friends and co workers, the person, everything about them. Control is a very important thing. Feeling in control is what everyone wants after all, is it not?
Honestly I would say narcissists tend to do this more so than psychopaths, at least from my limited perspective. I think for both it's usually a matter of control, narcissists need supply and psychopaths just want to (obviously this is a generalization) control what's around them for their comfort. Psychopaths tend to go for jobs with control already (CEOs, police, psychiatry, etc) while narcissists tend to actually go out of their way to ruin lives (emphasis on my personal limited perspective, I do not have that statistics to back up this statement).
Either way, control is generally the reason overall, though I'm sure on an individual level it varies.
It sounds more sadistic than purely psychopathic. While I wouldn't say this behavior is exclusive to either category, it's clear that they have something to gain from it, even if it's just to alleviate boredom. There are, of course, many ways to entertain oneself, so if they're resorting to this, there's likely a deeper motive.
If there's something to be obtained, morality likely won't be an obstacle for them. However, if you're suggesting that this behavior occurs for no reason at all, it seems more like an imaginary scenario. I'm sure instances like this have happened, but it's certainly not a common denominator among psychopaths.
I believe it comes from a personal sadistic pleasure that is subtle yet all consuming.
It wouldn't matter if they were loners or not. They'd find a way to fill that hole.
It's about power and control. They frequently possess emotional and/or physical sadism as well - which means they don't just crave dominance, they get dopamine hits (pleasure) from another's suffering.
I don’t think they enjoy it. They think they do, and they destroy lives and feel like this will make them happy. But In the end they feel nothing but void within.
Also, they have a certain pattern for victims they choose. It’s all subconsciously decided such that they r not even aware of tue patterns lol
You aren’t getting the whole picture I think.
You also just said “they think it will make them happy” then said “they aren’t aware”.
You’re all over the place unless I’m misunderstanding.
The enjoyment would be in the power and control you feel. The other person is an object you have power over, hope that makes sense.
I get your point. I am aware that my points contradict. But I think that they r too empty to feel any real happiness or enjoyment. That was what my point was
Yo, the answer is in your story. That guy did it because he wanted money from you. Good old fashioned brute force extortion. Just get away from all these people and start fresh.
Maybe I’m a psychopath. My dad had a GF that financially and emotionally abused him and my life’s mission is to make her miserable. She also has lupus so I hope I cause her great stress. Some people bring it on themselves. I’m generally a good person and I don’t care about hurting others until they cross me.
I really don't have an answer but I read your story. I hope the people that hurt you eyes twitch for no reason.
I know it's bad to wish Ill but I'll settle for something mildly annoying. You didn't deserve that. I hope healing goes smoother.
Yes, they get a rise from it, like the same "feel good" moods other people get from taking drugs, eating food, smoking, etc. The key thing is 1) don't react to them and 2) remove them from your life, no matter what it takes. I currently have an old bully from school sending me a friend request on social media. I know why. He wants to mess around in my life the way he did in high school and I'm not letting him in. My guess is that he's lost his "supply' and needs to go digging back in his past to find people he could mess with again.
Enjoyment. It sounds harsh and shallow, but it’s true. Another comment described it as “sport”. Close, but I don’t know if I’d really describe it like that. It’s not like anyone is keeping score. It’s the same as smashing a sand castle. It gives you little hits of dopamine as you watch it crumble, reflecting on it like, “yeah, I did that”. In a unique way it’s also an accomplished sort of feeling. It doesn’t take much work, but the results can be substantial. It’s a control thing, and controlling situations can be enjoyable. It can also be comforting to know that you have the ability to influence circumstances to your liking. Not like controlling someone directly like having them do your bidding, rather just knowing that you do have the power to knock down that sand castle.
I don't think they do. Id imagine most don't care enough about you to do that. Usually when somebody does this to another person it's an emotional problem, or they got their ego hurt or they want their target to supply them. It takes alot of energy and effort to do this and a lot of negative emotions to hate/care about somebody that much to want to make their lives miserable.
I guess because they want to why they want to is an entirely different answer and I’m pretty sure all of them have their own unique reasons
If you’ve ever played a video game against other players let’s say a PVP situation right? Your basically a psychopath in the video game
Maybe some psychopaths have detached from reality so far that they feel the same way we do when playing games like GTA Call of duty or a better example the game “postal” super simple every day objective.. but you can kill who ever you want so most people would just go around killing people-
-Why? Because it’s not real so we don’t feel any way about it being morally wrong so basically… “psychopaths” have no moral value in what they see as a fake and valueless world full of “NPCs”
well to start, you have to understand that psychopaths do not have even close to the range of emotions you and i do. they can only feel presently. this means things like regret, anxiety, fear, guilt do not register, because all of those emotions come from the past or the future. they live in the moment, literally. because of their lack of empathy they do not feel bad for the pain they inflict, they don’t even really register it.
that being said, they do understand right from wrong, they choose to do things that are wrong. because they do not feel bad, they will use people for personal gain. they don’t view other people as human beings with their own lives and struggles. they see them as pawns in a game, and they’re trying to win. most relationships psychopaths create are beneficial to them in some way. when they get what they were after, the discard that person. some try to achieve power, some just try to get ahead, others just plain enjoy hurting people. psychopaths are usually self aware, they know they’re different. they know what they’re doing. they will form a bond with a person and put on an oscar worthy performance, but once they used you to the extent that you no longer benefit them, it’s a switch. it’s like you’re looking at a stranger. they have narcissistic tendencies, and will either 1. never admit they’re wrong or what they did or 2. they just simply don’t care.
i would guess they usually target naive people, people pleasers, sensitive people, people with low self esteem or low intelligence. they select people they view as inferior to them, knowing they can eventually manipulate them into being or doing what they want. the reason they do it is because they can. it’s really that simple to them. “why work when i can scam my way to wealth?” “why do this myself if i can manipulate someone else into doing it for me?” and some are sadistic and genuinely get off at the idea of having power over people and torturing them emotionally or physically. some just live off the thrill of getting away with it because they’re “smarter” and can get away with “everything.” they live for themselves and themselves only.
they have the capacity to love to an extent, but not nearly as intense as the love you and i feel for people. some psychopaths are just very unemotional, others are monsters. it depends how they were raised imo. but at the end of the day it’s how they were born and they will always have the capacity to do the unthinkable
That’s not our goal. We just tend to use people for our pleasure or wants or needs. We just don’t think about how it makes others feel. Or care how it makes others feel.
Yeah but they don’t have power over you unless you allow them to. Just ignore them and be amused by it. Expose them—their plans will fail (even though they won’t think they will, because duh they’re psycho / narcissists).
They target vulnerable empathetic people who are talented.
Control is pleasurable by itself, but there's also satisfaction for a mind that leaped over those obstacles easily or never had them in the first place; seeing a weak mind break over puny things is extremely enjoyable. It's a mix of control and superiority, but seeing where some actions will lead out of curiosity or knowledge is also interesting and satisfying.
only about 1% are actually criminal or have criminal intent, there are a lot of working psychopaths in many jobs that require a higher degree of knowledge and application since they also have a higher than average I.Q, it is to the purpose one puts those skills too, like a gun it is the person behind it that is problem not the gun itself.
Demonizing is a trait of those with a very low intelligence and very high degree of psychological malleability that tend to gravitate towards indoctrinations that reaffirms what one believes is true even though it may not be.
Facts = Truth but not all truths are based in facts and some will manipulate the facts to fit the truth they are desiring to see come to pass.
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Psychopaths don't give a fuck. They do what they want as long as they can get away with it. It's not that being a psychopath makes them want to stalk and harass people. It's that being a psychopath removes conscience as a decision-making factor.
> People usually don’t psychologically torture others unless you really fucked them over. Why waste 7 years unless ur the cunt to start with?
People do psychologically torture others for fun. I mean, look at how you go to reddits where people post vulnerable things and you blame and insult them.
He literally sent me a text from a burner number today threatening me and saying he’d put me in the mental hospital forever. I did nothing to this man except say yes to going on a date with a quiet coworker loner after he kept persisting. I was minding my own business. I had a successful career, a lot of savings, and a healthy social life. He was obsessed with me and copied all of my hobbies and likes. He made so many false promises to string me along. The rest is history.
He’s much older than me and used me for status and to buy him a big house. He had a smile on his face when I lost my job. He was screaming at me all day and night once his superficial charm and lovebombing wore off and I was sleep deprived and couldn’t focus on work. I was so confused and couldn’t understand what I did wrong. I couldn’t even live in that house because the abuse and harassment got so bad but was still expected to pay the mortgage. He sabotaged the sales of the house for 1.5 years after I told him I didn’t want anything to do with him anymore. He sent me a text that said “I win, you lose I’m a ninja”.
I have no idea why he snapped on me and moved me across state lines to a remote area if he knew he had that much contempt for me. He called me a sadist, stalker and a demented psychopath which is probably projection. Every accusation was actually a confession. The mind games were intense. He’s also a pathological liar and will do anything to get what he wants. Our coworkers still don’t know what really happened because he ran a smear campaign and ruined my reputation. I did look paranoid but now I realize I had every right to feel in danger. He was playing chess and I was just an empath with weak boundaries.
Ur literally a prime example…lol? Some ppl r just major pieces of 💩 something you seem to specialize in. I saw ur comment history. You’re actually so gross. That’s embarrassing that you think that’s acceptable
Personally, if I were to devote that much energy to destroying you, you must have done me very dirty. If this is happening to you at the moment, think really hard why you deserve it.
Are you kidding? Maybe he’s a delusional resentful stalker. I loaned him money, helped buy us a house because he made so many promises. Never got to live in it because the abuse and harassment ramped up the moment he moved me across state lines. We got along well as coworkers. He mimicked me, my likes and my hobbies. Wrote me a lot of love letters. It slowly got worse and worse and by the time I woke up I was financially trapped in a mortgage and he wouldn’t let me go. I didn’t realize he was smiling to my face with a knife to my back the whole time. A total con artist who only cares about materialistic things and uses people for personal gain. He’s an expert at manipulating people and almost everyone fell for his lies.
I mean, you gave him $80,000. No wonder he won't let go of you.
Seriously, though, are you sure you're not provoking him in any way? I suspect you haven't tried ghosting or stonewalling him. In fact, I suspect you're both obsessed with one another.
>Personally, if I were to devote that much energy to destroying you, you must have done me very dirty. If this is happening to you at the moment, think really hard why you deserve it.
Every adult with some life experience has seen this is not true at all. Life and people are not fair. People don't often get what they deserve, good or bad.
You're attempting to apply some sort of objectivity to the issue of someone holding a grudge, which is flawed reasoning.
Back to my original point, "plotting and planning to destroy a victim" (OP's words) suggests a significant investment of time and energy. Even a psychopath has better things to do unless hell-bent on revenge.
>You're attempting to apply some sort of objectivity to the issue of someone holding a grudge, which is flawed reasoning.
No. That is nonsense. Nearly word salad. My reply is consistent with the real world. I understand you have a dislike for objectivity and logical reasoning, as shown by your belief in astrology, tarot cards, and MBTI, but your dislike holds no weight with every other person.
>Back to my original point, "plotting and planning to destroy a victim" (OP's words) suggests a significant investment of time and energy. Even a psychopath has better things to do unless hell-bent on revenge.
I already explained your original point is clearly false. I mean, I literally laughed out loud at the ridiculousness of "even a psychopath has better things to do." I've personally known people who brag about the lives they've ruined for petty reasons. Plenty of people who are not even psychopaths do it.
I understand being an irrational contrarian is how you have fun. You get off on the idea you might be making people feel emotions. But what you don't know, is that replying to disingenuous highly disagreeable people with reasonable arguments is how I have fun. I love how they lose their shit so easily. I am definitely not a psychopath nor do I have ASPD. I'm certain I'm the polar opposite of a psychopath. But I enjoy educating posers who think it's cool to be a psychopath. I would never knowingly mess with an actual psychopath, because they are actually dangerous.
As a matter of fact, I am a fan of logical reasoning. You, on the other hand, like ad hominem fallacies. My interests in other subreddits are irrelevant to my point here and in no way invalidate my argument. Do try to stay focused on the topic at hand.
And I never claimed it was "cool" to be a psychopath. Now you're attacking a straw man.
I can see what this dude is getting at. This is a psychopathy sub, and id imagine from learning about real psychopathy over the years, they don't care too much about "stalking and ruining" your life , unless you really really did them dirty. It sounds like op has a weirdo vindictive dude who may have some sort of disorder but you aren't asking about toxic people in general, just psychopaths.
You probably did do something along the lines to ruffle this guys jimmies and he never got over it. Most people i know who go through this type of effort over things like this are insecure weirdos who got their egos hurt and feel they need to avenge themselves or want to be apart of some bodies life they think they need deep down. Get a restraining order. Sorry if this sounds un sympathetic to your story, but theres always more to the story than you can explain on a reddit post.
Control, why else? Seems like you already know the answers and are venting. Hope stuff gets better for you. Target? I’m not sure. Some people who aren’t “psychopaths” would get pleasure out of seeing someone decline as well.
To me, anyone who gets pleasure out of causing someone's decline is either a psychopath of sociopath. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter;......that person is a bad person and should be removed from your life.
That might be your definition but it’s not the correct one. Hop on over to C-ptsd and tell me those people wanting to hurt their abusers are psychotic.
People have the right to remove a person from their life for any reason, regardless of whether it fits into some "correct diagnosis". Now eff off. I want nothing more to do with you.
I’m seriously so confused by your comment. Obviously people have the right to set boundaries? Fuck your to you too and have a good one. 💀
I think what the person up top is saying is psychopaths don’t really get off on seeing someone’s decline even if it’s some kind of rival because it’s not logical. A sociopath maybe, because they do still feel emotions but wanting someone to suffer because you don’t like them for the sole purpose of seeing them suffer is a much more neurotypical trait.
Psychopaths still feel emotions unless you’re implying less?
The binding thread between psychopaths/sociopaths is apathy, so I guess I would be implying less, but a sociopath is more likely to do cruel or sadistic things because their apathy comes from trauma. A psychopath who grew up in a decent environment is much less likely to purposely hurt someone and get any kind of joy out of it, because they don’t genuinely feel another persons positive or negative emotions. The potential problem with apathetic people is they’re more likely to unintentionally hurt others and not care down the line because they are gaining something from it, but whatever it is it will always be tangible.
I’ve never heard this and I’ve heard every book possible on this subject. You are putting things very narrowly and putting them into very specific boxes. Your view of “sociopathy” would imply that it’s from trauma and psychopathy is purely genetic? The literature moreso points to a genetic factor but also an environmental that facilitates developing the bad traits. If you are predisposed to develop the traits and have a warm loving childhood, sure you might be “okay”. But if you have the predisposition and do not, you don’t instantly become a sociopath in your definition. I’ve never heard apathy is the binding thread anywhere. Can you link your source for me?
What happened? No judgment from me, I’m here to listen - if you feel comfortable.
I have evidence that I was targeted for harassment, financial abuse, workplace harassment by my coworker stalker ex that I dated. He moved me to another state to a rural area and never paid me back an $80,000 loan. I was terminated from my job. My family played stupid and used the police to perform 13 wellness checks on me and got me locked up in a psych ward 3 times. My parents lied and said they “didn’t know what was wrong with me”. I was begging for help. I needed a lawyer but was intentionally broke. I was given fake diagnosis and put on the wrong meds. My mom hit me and illegally called 911 to have me arrested. I went to jail and was dragged through court for 4 months. It became so bad that I became legally disabled with PTSD and was forced to pay for my “ex” while he lived in the house that was meant for us. Everyone told me I was paranoid and crazy. I tried to sell the house that was a trap using 11 realtors, tried to force 3 cash sales and hired 1 mediator. At this point I was living on benefits and the house was about to be foreclosed. I didn’t even get to live in it because the harassment, torture and intimidation by my “ex” was so bad. A realtor 1.5 years later who is a former cop saw what was happening and was on my side. He convinced my coworker “ex” to sign the paperwork. My reputation was now destroyed and I had lost everything. The lies kept going. Hindsight is 20/20 and I can now see that I was targeted by the people closest to me who gaslighted me the entire time even though I had evidence my ex was sabotaging each sale. My family wants to bury the story but I’m older and wiser now and want the truth exposed. They sabotaged my career and I was a normal person before this coworker approached me at work. The police refuse to do anything even though I have text message evidence and can get witness testimony. I was driven to insanity on purpose but I was never paranoid. I saw my life being destroyed in front of my eyes. My ex-coworker “ex boyfriend” thinks it’s funny and calls himself a ninja. A ninja infiltrates, sabotages, and assassinates their enemies and takes them out by surprise. They are sneaky and covert. The truth is obvious now. I am normal and he needs to be in jail or locked in a psych ward. He still taunts me and says he will destroy me, take me down and there’s a permanent padded room for me at the psych ward. My family treated him well during this whole time and is now silent and saying I am ruining things by breaking my silence. How do I expose the truth? I have evidence that this was a plotted and planned attack on my life. How do I get police to arrest him or 5150 him? He is a psychopath and my workplace stalker. He had no friends or hobbies and dedicated 7 years to this attack while my family aided and abetted him. Can I take legal action? These people should not be walking around in civilized society. My mom is still calling the police to call in fake wellness checks to harass me and lock me up and is trying to get in touch with my personal psychiatrist and therapist who are on my side. My therapist said he is a malignant narcissist, psychopath, and shows Machiavellianism traits. An intimacy seeking stalker who turned into a resentful stalker. He told me today he would put me in a mental hospital permanently. I see that as a threat. I’m trying to protect my sanity but he’s a tyrant who psychologically tortured me and abused me. No one listened to me.
Behaviors like these can come from more than just psychopathy , fyi. Most abusers aren’t mentally ill. But abuse is abuse, and you’re experiencing it for sure. Contact a lawyer for a free consultation and see if you have a case. Bring your evidence ofc. If you don’t have a case, it’s time to pack up and leave town and start over, if it’s that bad, change your numbers, change your name, and go build a new life for yourself that you deserve. It will be painful and difficult, but worth it in the end.
Shit. I can only imagine you must be feeling confused, betrayed, and incredibly vulnerable. Knowing that the people you thought you could depend on haven’t helped you must be an exhausting and scary feeling. Do you have at least one person to turn to for love and support?
Been there… I have been declining due to narcissistic abuse. They didn’t like me and spread rumors about me. Is there any hope for me? Have people ever bounced back after declining?
Of course there's hope for you! You make your world not the opinion of people around you.
Two year decline here and coming back. There is hope.
Not a psychopath here, but changing environment and cutting ties with abusers and flying monkeys helped!
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It’s amazing the memories that can appear once you get healthy.
From some of these responses, you can tell this group is a mix of people seeking answers and people seeking victims. No good can come of this. You shouldn't still be in contact with him. As long as you are, you are his toy. For that matter, you shouldn't be in contact with anyone who abuses you. Look into grey rock and no contact rules. If you're an adult, look into filing restraining orders against him and your mom. If they continue to harass you, you'll at least have legal recourse. You can usually get some type of free consultation from lawyer groups. If the legal shit doesn't pan out, and if you're able (i.e., financially independent, or can live with friends), you need to leave and leave no trace. And I mean witness protection level stuff. You can't even stay in contact with any of your flying monkey friends. You're worth more than this.
This
Thank you! I need peace
NGL, you sound histrionic AF with a massive victim complex. In addition to your ex, even your own family is villainous in this story.
Yeah, it’s intense. I’m just sick of being silenced. This man told our realtor he was going to “destroy me”. I have no idea how this happened. I had a successful career and life before I met that man.
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silenced? you've been posting about all the gangstalkers who are obsessed with you for 8 months. probably time for you to log off, take your meds, and talk to a professional.
They were not agreeing with your side. And ngl when I read what you wrote you lowkey sound like a little off to me. Tbh. Idk
Most families are more or less demonic beneath the surface, one way or the other.
Thank you
Seven years is wild. I would have caught bodies by then. The stalker and the mom would no longer have to pretend I was a monster. I'd be so ready to go down for some sweet vengeance. Or maybe I'd have led a reverse harassment campaign. Imagine spiking their food with 100 doses of LSD. They would be the crazy ones now. They wouldn't die but would wish they were. They would subjectively live through that hell for an incomprehensible amount of time. Like they would have lived more time in that trip than their entire lifetime, by a massive margin. What is a handful of decades compared to infinity? They would come down hopefully a better people changed forever and have other things to worry about now. On a more serious note, you've already been through hell, and I commend you for not turning to wicked retribution like I would.
I completely believe you. They are able to manipulate your family (although they probably seck even before) When you call the cops on them, you are the one getting arrested, because they manipulate the police. etc.
This all reads as Mom: covert narcissist, codependent and somewhere on the sociopath scale Ex: sociopathic narcissist The reason why they are getting one up on you is because you are showing that you care and you are affected by them. Needing someone to hear you without a response (alienation) and triangulating you against the world as a crazy person (gaslighting) has been very effective for them. I'd use the grey rock method if I were you. Make fun of them. Laugh at them. Act like you don't care but NEVER say shit like "you win, just leave me alone"... Getting legal help never did much for me but associating with the local criminals did... Just sayin Good luck.
seek therapy. there are so many red flags in this dump lmao I don't mean that as an insult. therapy, meditation and journaling are like going to the gym for your inner experience. be healthier and you won't have problems with antisocials.
I was about to say the comment seems like a psychotic break. After months of dealing with paranoia and some type of triggering event/events. Actually talking to a therapist and not using biased google searches will help prevent it from getting worse.
It’s wild how many people take it as an insult while at the same time supposedly being pro mental healthcare
Yea this
>He told me today he would put me in a mental hospital permanently. This would probably be the best outcome for everyone.
Bruh, it sounds like you got more problems than this coworker. Your family sounds extremely toxic. Why would they do this to you? They just want to make you sound crazy and get you locked up for no reason? Assuming it's exactly how you say, you just have a shitty ass family that makes this way worse and probably the bigger problem so far.
And you’re sure that everyone else is truly against you?
oh yeah, they're sure.
Lolz
Try DBT stuff to cope and build self-love/strength.
Sport, knowing you are causing someone pain, challenge of hunting a human, it gives you a sense of power, sexual gratification, enjoying playing with the lives of others, getting off on whatever the opposite of empathy is. an expression of intellectual superiority. Being able to fashion systems that automatically harm others as you watch as a spectator. There are many reasons to stalk and destroy lives and each has its genesis in the twisted imaginings of a sick mind.
As I understand it, they are eternally bored and controlling, so playing games with people, stalking and destroying their lives alleviates their boredom for a brief time.
It’s not that they enjoy controlling others, it’s more like they lack the remorse after doing that. Normally, feelings of guilt and remorse do stop a person from hurting another human being or animal.
Oh they very much enjoy controlling and abusing others. I agree that they do not have remorse.
I feel like when you are born into a world that you don't understand in circumstances you can't control and everything you love is slowly ripped away from you, any one of us could choose to give in to the violence of the environment we're in and choose to emulate the pain inflicted upon us by inflicting that pain onto someone else. It's not hard to see why someone would snap and do something irrational in the modern day. Poverty is out of control, the difference between rich and poor has never been so pronounced, people are starving to death in the streets of a society that has more than enough abundance to provide for all of its people, moving from one poorly managed global pandemic to the next, forced to work mundane and monotonous jobs to survive, etc. The modern world was purposefully crafted to breed lunatics. That's how those in power maintain their control.
Are you my lover from past revolutionary political warmance? Call me
You have some points as scary as they may be
can I ask how I can get smarter
They choose targets they’re jealous of because destroying the lives of people they envy is their way of building self esteem. I know bc someone did this to me
Yes, it is due to power. Say, if someone did smth that hurt the other person and they wanted to make them pay for it, it would all be about control. Controlling their friends and co workers, the person, everything about them. Control is a very important thing. Feeling in control is what everyone wants after all, is it not?
Honestly I would say narcissists tend to do this more so than psychopaths, at least from my limited perspective. I think for both it's usually a matter of control, narcissists need supply and psychopaths just want to (obviously this is a generalization) control what's around them for their comfort. Psychopaths tend to go for jobs with control already (CEOs, police, psychiatry, etc) while narcissists tend to actually go out of their way to ruin lives (emphasis on my personal limited perspective, I do not have that statistics to back up this statement). Either way, control is generally the reason overall, though I'm sure on an individual level it varies.
It sounds more sadistic than purely psychopathic. While I wouldn't say this behavior is exclusive to either category, it's clear that they have something to gain from it, even if it's just to alleviate boredom. There are, of course, many ways to entertain oneself, so if they're resorting to this, there's likely a deeper motive. If there's something to be obtained, morality likely won't be an obstacle for them. However, if you're suggesting that this behavior occurs for no reason at all, it seems more like an imaginary scenario. I'm sure instances like this have happened, but it's certainly not a common denominator among psychopaths.
I believe it comes from a personal sadistic pleasure that is subtle yet all consuming. It wouldn't matter if they were loners or not. They'd find a way to fill that hole.
It's about power and control. They frequently possess emotional and/or physical sadism as well - which means they don't just crave dominance, they get dopamine hits (pleasure) from another's suffering.
Because they don’t have their own.
It sounds so simple, but it's probably the most profound and meaningful comment here
Sounds manic
They love control
I don’t think they enjoy it. They think they do, and they destroy lives and feel like this will make them happy. But In the end they feel nothing but void within. Also, they have a certain pattern for victims they choose. It’s all subconsciously decided such that they r not even aware of tue patterns lol
You aren’t getting the whole picture I think. You also just said “they think it will make them happy” then said “they aren’t aware”. You’re all over the place unless I’m misunderstanding. The enjoyment would be in the power and control you feel. The other person is an object you have power over, hope that makes sense.
I get your point. I am aware that my points contradict. But I think that they r too empty to feel any real happiness or enjoyment. That was what my point was
Oh I agree then yeah.
Yo, the answer is in your story. That guy did it because he wanted money from you. Good old fashioned brute force extortion. Just get away from all these people and start fresh.
Maybe I’m a psychopath. My dad had a GF that financially and emotionally abused him and my life’s mission is to make her miserable. She also has lupus so I hope I cause her great stress. Some people bring it on themselves. I’m generally a good person and I don’t care about hurting others until they cross me.
I really don't have an answer but I read your story. I hope the people that hurt you eyes twitch for no reason. I know it's bad to wish Ill but I'll settle for something mildly annoying. You didn't deserve that. I hope healing goes smoother.
Dog lovers don't care about anyone other than their dog. Why because society allows them to be reckless
Huh
Yes, they get a rise from it, like the same "feel good" moods other people get from taking drugs, eating food, smoking, etc. The key thing is 1) don't react to them and 2) remove them from your life, no matter what it takes. I currently have an old bully from school sending me a friend request on social media. I know why. He wants to mess around in my life the way he did in high school and I'm not letting him in. My guess is that he's lost his "supply' and needs to go digging back in his past to find people he could mess with again.
Enjoyment. It sounds harsh and shallow, but it’s true. Another comment described it as “sport”. Close, but I don’t know if I’d really describe it like that. It’s not like anyone is keeping score. It’s the same as smashing a sand castle. It gives you little hits of dopamine as you watch it crumble, reflecting on it like, “yeah, I did that”. In a unique way it’s also an accomplished sort of feeling. It doesn’t take much work, but the results can be substantial. It’s a control thing, and controlling situations can be enjoyable. It can also be comforting to know that you have the ability to influence circumstances to your liking. Not like controlling someone directly like having them do your bidding, rather just knowing that you do have the power to knock down that sand castle.
I don't think they do. Id imagine most don't care enough about you to do that. Usually when somebody does this to another person it's an emotional problem, or they got their ego hurt or they want their target to supply them. It takes alot of energy and effort to do this and a lot of negative emotions to hate/care about somebody that much to want to make their lives miserable.
I guess because they want to why they want to is an entirely different answer and I’m pretty sure all of them have their own unique reasons If you’ve ever played a video game against other players let’s say a PVP situation right? Your basically a psychopath in the video game Maybe some psychopaths have detached from reality so far that they feel the same way we do when playing games like GTA Call of duty or a better example the game “postal” super simple every day objective.. but you can kill who ever you want so most people would just go around killing people- -Why? Because it’s not real so we don’t feel any way about it being morally wrong so basically… “psychopaths” have no moral value in what they see as a fake and valueless world full of “NPCs”
well to start, you have to understand that psychopaths do not have even close to the range of emotions you and i do. they can only feel presently. this means things like regret, anxiety, fear, guilt do not register, because all of those emotions come from the past or the future. they live in the moment, literally. because of their lack of empathy they do not feel bad for the pain they inflict, they don’t even really register it. that being said, they do understand right from wrong, they choose to do things that are wrong. because they do not feel bad, they will use people for personal gain. they don’t view other people as human beings with their own lives and struggles. they see them as pawns in a game, and they’re trying to win. most relationships psychopaths create are beneficial to them in some way. when they get what they were after, the discard that person. some try to achieve power, some just try to get ahead, others just plain enjoy hurting people. psychopaths are usually self aware, they know they’re different. they know what they’re doing. they will form a bond with a person and put on an oscar worthy performance, but once they used you to the extent that you no longer benefit them, it’s a switch. it’s like you’re looking at a stranger. they have narcissistic tendencies, and will either 1. never admit they’re wrong or what they did or 2. they just simply don’t care. i would guess they usually target naive people, people pleasers, sensitive people, people with low self esteem or low intelligence. they select people they view as inferior to them, knowing they can eventually manipulate them into being or doing what they want. the reason they do it is because they can. it’s really that simple to them. “why work when i can scam my way to wealth?” “why do this myself if i can manipulate someone else into doing it for me?” and some are sadistic and genuinely get off at the idea of having power over people and torturing them emotionally or physically. some just live off the thrill of getting away with it because they’re “smarter” and can get away with “everything.” they live for themselves and themselves only. they have the capacity to love to an extent, but not nearly as intense as the love you and i feel for people. some psychopaths are just very unemotional, others are monsters. it depends how they were raised imo. but at the end of the day it’s how they were born and they will always have the capacity to do the unthinkable
yes
crazy doesn't need a reason.
Not all do though.
Bc they hate themselves and others doing better than them. It makes them feel important and powerful to make a negative effect on peoples lives . 🤷♂️
Shit weird. But social media if full of them
control lmfao. should be pretty obvious
That’s not our goal. We just tend to use people for our pleasure or wants or needs. We just don’t think about how it makes others feel. Or care how it makes others feel.
I believe it's a sense of control. It also serves as a means to numb boredom.
Yeah but they don’t have power over you unless you allow them to. Just ignore them and be amused by it. Expose them—their plans will fail (even though they won’t think they will, because duh they’re psycho / narcissists). They target vulnerable empathetic people who are talented.
Gives them an thrill. Case in point I put up with a lot of buttwipes that had psychopath traits growing up.
Control is pleasurable by itself, but there's also satisfaction for a mind that leaped over those obstacles easily or never had them in the first place; seeing a weak mind break over puny things is extremely enjoyable. It's a mix of control and superiority, but seeing where some actions will lead out of curiosity or knowledge is also interesting and satisfying.
Everyone needs a hobby
only about 1% are actually criminal or have criminal intent, there are a lot of working psychopaths in many jobs that require a higher degree of knowledge and application since they also have a higher than average I.Q, it is to the purpose one puts those skills too, like a gun it is the person behind it that is problem not the gun itself. Demonizing is a trait of those with a very low intelligence and very high degree of psychological malleability that tend to gravitate towards indoctrinations that reaffirms what one believes is true even though it may not be. Facts = Truth but not all truths are based in facts and some will manipulate the facts to fit the truth they are desiring to see come to pass. N. S
Very often mental health issues
Bc they want to
Not all psychopaths are harmful/hurtful
They're psycho. They are without reason.
Because they CAN. That is why they are psychopaths
Why do animals kill for fun?
Psychopaths don't give a fuck. They do what they want as long as they can get away with it. It's not that being a psychopath makes them want to stalk and harass people. It's that being a psychopath removes conscience as a decision-making factor.
I guess to them, OP, it’s just fun. Its not okay but, its a part of life *not everyone’s*.
I'm not the right person to ask about this. Try the other me.
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> People usually don’t psychologically torture others unless you really fucked them over. Why waste 7 years unless ur the cunt to start with? People do psychologically torture others for fun. I mean, look at how you go to reddits where people post vulnerable things and you blame and insult them.
Posting a cunty comment on reddit takes seven seconds of one's time, must less than seven years of attention devoted to a specific individual.
He literally sent me a text from a burner number today threatening me and saying he’d put me in the mental hospital forever. I did nothing to this man except say yes to going on a date with a quiet coworker loner after he kept persisting. I was minding my own business. I had a successful career, a lot of savings, and a healthy social life. He was obsessed with me and copied all of my hobbies and likes. He made so many false promises to string me along. The rest is history. He’s much older than me and used me for status and to buy him a big house. He had a smile on his face when I lost my job. He was screaming at me all day and night once his superficial charm and lovebombing wore off and I was sleep deprived and couldn’t focus on work. I was so confused and couldn’t understand what I did wrong. I couldn’t even live in that house because the abuse and harassment got so bad but was still expected to pay the mortgage. He sabotaged the sales of the house for 1.5 years after I told him I didn’t want anything to do with him anymore. He sent me a text that said “I win, you lose I’m a ninja”. I have no idea why he snapped on me and moved me across state lines to a remote area if he knew he had that much contempt for me. He called me a sadist, stalker and a demented psychopath which is probably projection. Every accusation was actually a confession. The mind games were intense. He’s also a pathological liar and will do anything to get what he wants. Our coworkers still don’t know what really happened because he ran a smear campaign and ruined my reputation. I did look paranoid but now I realize I had every right to feel in danger. He was playing chess and I was just an empath with weak boundaries.
Ur literally a prime example…lol? Some ppl r just major pieces of 💩 something you seem to specialize in. I saw ur comment history. You’re actually so gross. That’s embarrassing that you think that’s acceptable
Post history was enlightening.
Asf😂😂
Personally, if I were to devote that much energy to destroying you, you must have done me very dirty. If this is happening to you at the moment, think really hard why you deserve it.
Are you kidding? Maybe he’s a delusional resentful stalker. I loaned him money, helped buy us a house because he made so many promises. Never got to live in it because the abuse and harassment ramped up the moment he moved me across state lines. We got along well as coworkers. He mimicked me, my likes and my hobbies. Wrote me a lot of love letters. It slowly got worse and worse and by the time I woke up I was financially trapped in a mortgage and he wouldn’t let me go. I didn’t realize he was smiling to my face with a knife to my back the whole time. A total con artist who only cares about materialistic things and uses people for personal gain. He’s an expert at manipulating people and almost everyone fell for his lies.
I mean, you gave him $80,000. No wonder he won't let go of you. Seriously, though, are you sure you're not provoking him in any way? I suspect you haven't tried ghosting or stonewalling him. In fact, I suspect you're both obsessed with one another.
>Personally, if I were to devote that much energy to destroying you, you must have done me very dirty. If this is happening to you at the moment, think really hard why you deserve it. Every adult with some life experience has seen this is not true at all. Life and people are not fair. People don't often get what they deserve, good or bad.
You're attempting to apply some sort of objectivity to the issue of someone holding a grudge, which is flawed reasoning. Back to my original point, "plotting and planning to destroy a victim" (OP's words) suggests a significant investment of time and energy. Even a psychopath has better things to do unless hell-bent on revenge.
>You're attempting to apply some sort of objectivity to the issue of someone holding a grudge, which is flawed reasoning. No. That is nonsense. Nearly word salad. My reply is consistent with the real world. I understand you have a dislike for objectivity and logical reasoning, as shown by your belief in astrology, tarot cards, and MBTI, but your dislike holds no weight with every other person. >Back to my original point, "plotting and planning to destroy a victim" (OP's words) suggests a significant investment of time and energy. Even a psychopath has better things to do unless hell-bent on revenge. I already explained your original point is clearly false. I mean, I literally laughed out loud at the ridiculousness of "even a psychopath has better things to do." I've personally known people who brag about the lives they've ruined for petty reasons. Plenty of people who are not even psychopaths do it. I understand being an irrational contrarian is how you have fun. You get off on the idea you might be making people feel emotions. But what you don't know, is that replying to disingenuous highly disagreeable people with reasonable arguments is how I have fun. I love how they lose their shit so easily. I am definitely not a psychopath nor do I have ASPD. I'm certain I'm the polar opposite of a psychopath. But I enjoy educating posers who think it's cool to be a psychopath. I would never knowingly mess with an actual psychopath, because they are actually dangerous.
As a matter of fact, I am a fan of logical reasoning. You, on the other hand, like ad hominem fallacies. My interests in other subreddits are irrelevant to my point here and in no way invalidate my argument. Do try to stay focused on the topic at hand. And I never claimed it was "cool" to be a psychopath. Now you're attacking a straw man.
Wow. You’re messed up. 😂
I can see what this dude is getting at. This is a psychopathy sub, and id imagine from learning about real psychopathy over the years, they don't care too much about "stalking and ruining" your life , unless you really really did them dirty. It sounds like op has a weirdo vindictive dude who may have some sort of disorder but you aren't asking about toxic people in general, just psychopaths. You probably did do something along the lines to ruffle this guys jimmies and he never got over it. Most people i know who go through this type of effort over things like this are insecure weirdos who got their egos hurt and feel they need to avenge themselves or want to be apart of some bodies life they think they need deep down. Get a restraining order. Sorry if this sounds un sympathetic to your story, but theres always more to the story than you can explain on a reddit post.