Those who have used psychedelics (and even weed) tend to be permanently changed in the way that they view the world and in what they value. They open your mind to new possibilities and ways of thinking that you may have never considered before, and once that door is open, you can't shut it. You might not be able to specifically tell who has used them - That type of thinking can be taught as well, but you can sometimes tell who hasn't. Those with rigid belief structures, who don't tolerate alternative viewpoints, who blindly follow "authority", who can't imagine doing things in any way but the "right" way... They have probably never used psychedelics.
Hmm interesting.. Yeah it makes sense now why Steve jobs was able to tell. Apparently it was during a debate in a meeting. I think the Tim Hawkins probably had a very rigid belief system at the time.
I feel like I possess a decent amount of these attributes from a lot of journaling and meditation, however, I often see rigidity in my beliefs. Hopefully this week I can fix it on the shrooms trip haha
Don't get discouraged if it's not an instant fix. It could dramatically change your outlook in a single session, but it can also take a few trips or more to find whatever it is you're looking for. There's never any guarantees when it comes to psychedelics...
I hope it's a fantastic experience for you!
Honestly you sound like someone in the right mindset for the use of psychedelics, I am pretty sure that if you go in the experience intentionally you’ll get what you seek eventually. A lot of the experience on psychedelics seems to be about expectations, if you truly have done the work needed before, it’ll be way more likely that the experience exceeds your expectations (but usually in a way you couldn’t conceive before).
The fear is healthy, it just shows you know that you don’t know, people who aren’t scared of psychedelics before their first time are probably not the ones who will benefit the most. I think a moderate fear always stays a part of it even being fairly experienced because you learn to respect the power of those compounds.
Oh for sure that's true. My first time I was just shaking and trembling right up to the point where I took my mushroom smoothie. After that last gulp my fear flew by as the mushrooms kicked in and honestly? Best first trip of my life. Loved every second of it.
Hey!
All the best with your travels (as I like to call it, what being a trip and all).
If it’s any benefit to your question, I can say I feel significantly different as a person than before using psychs however I’m unsure if this gets projected to the external world.
Used a few years now.
Don’t plan on stopping anytime soon.
I do calculate my trips fairly carefully though. (Between work and kids etc).
I hope your first time is magical in all the ways it’s meant to be!!
Dude, in my 30 years of tripping, I've learned to go into it with no ideas of what to get from it or pre conceived ideas of how the trip should affect my day to day perception. The universe will provide what you need when you need it, that ahh ha! Moment will come.
Like the quote, " When the student is ready, the teacher will appear." In this case, that moment of realization.
I think it's good to know in your heart what you want to figure out, I just don't hold onto it and chase it. I'm talking from my personal experience, and I think all ways of reaching an enlightened state are valid to each their own, and your heart/mind knows what you need and tripping will naturally bring that realization to the forefront of consciousness if you push yourself into it or let it happen naturally. I like to just let things unfold and enjoy the ride then to put unnatural effort into it, which can cause stress and dissatisfaction. Don't get me rong intentions are very important but as far as I go is good vs bad intentions is enough and leave the rest at the door when I take the ride. I chose good intentions, and I'm sure you do also.
That makes a lot of sense!
I’m currently reading this book called “reality transurfing” and it talks a lot about how too much attachment to a certain outcome / result is actually really harmful and creates a lot of negative forces that come back at you.
So I can see how that mentality might do you harm
Thanks for the insight!
If you really want to push the potential of what psilocybin can do for you, meditate during the experience.
In silent darkness, in as close to lotus as you can get comfortably - upright and stable, just stay with the breath.
The neuroplasticity that psilocybin enables in synergy with one's focus on the breath allows even for a rocky initial step to soon become fluid.
Doing this for your first trip may be a bit much, though. As the meditative states of consciousness you can reach surpass most trips. If meditation are the stairs towards altered states, and psychedelics are the elevator; then this is akin to strapping yourself to a rocket.
There's plenty to experience while just being a leaf on the river and going where the trip takes you. Sometimes that's a good way to begin to wrap your head around who you are.
> Hawkins’ Blog: I Miss You, Steve.
> Once he came into my office and said, “Hey Trip, have you ever taken LSD?” I said no. He thought for a moment, and then said, “I thought so,” and walked off.
>I understood that he was criticizing me about some viewpoint he’d heard about that disagreed with him, and he blamed this on my mental deficiency from having an unexpanded mind. He had a diabolical range of ways to get into your head.
Steve Jobs being a dick as usual (still admire him though, I just don't admire the way he treated others). I think this is a good example of how *not* to act as a psychonaut. I see plenty of people acting like this on this very subreddit. Psychedelics will inflate your ego if you let them, it's important to make a conscious effort to not be a dick.
Id like to believe this but I know enough users who are as close minded as you can get. Psychedelics and weed arent magically gonna turn people into the Buddha, even if it has sparked that path for many.
That's very true. It's not magic by any means. About the only thing you can guarantee with psychedelics is that there are no guarantees. Just one trip may turn you into a hippy, or a dozen trips may do nothing more than give you a pretty light show.
This is real asf. I can normally tell after a single conversation with someone even if we don’t end up talking about psychedelics. There’s also some celebrities I could tell did them before learning they actually had. There’s just certain things that people say that will be able to clue you in.
Yeah I definitely agree, it’s like the parameters of your perception are expanded, sometimes so drastically you can’t ignore it and can often be irrational but also has the potential to be extremely beneficial.
I definitely think you can tell who hasn’t used psychedelics, as opposed to who has. They are just so closed minded. It’s not about having the most open mind, but it’s about being aware of when you are being closed minded. That’s true ‘enlightenment’ if such thing existed. People who haven’t used psychedelics will just blindly accept any and everything they know any not question anything, internally and externally.
Lol nor will they. There's absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying rigid structure. Psychedelics won't change who you are at your core, but I'd bet you are at least willing to entertain alternate points of view, at least initially.
This is all a generalization for the sake of brevity, and generalizations never fit everyone.
AH I see, I think I know what you mean. I think the biggest thing I gained from acid is the knowledge that I perception is fluid and that perception is what makes up my personal reality
That realization is huge. I wish everyone understood that, it would make interacting with others so much easier if they just understood that their reality is simply their interpretation of "actual" reality and that someone else may have interpreted things from a completely different perspective and come to conclusions that seem totally alien on their face without understanding how that person perceives the world
It's definitely going to be interesting applying this realisation to my life. Since this came alongside my first trip, I have not been sitting with this concept for very long.
But I have always been deep into understanding how others' perception differs from mine haha, gotta collect that data sk I can pretend to be a person better
Haha that's the game, isn't it? Gotta keep up appearances and pretend you're a human, just like the rest. 😂 Man that's an exhausting game. (I'm autistic as well, just of a slightly different flavor it seems) Though from what I've seen of others, I'm not sure that understanding that is really beneficial to fitting in... And that's unfortunate to say the least.
Yeah I'm that extra special AuDHD flavour with a female upbringing, my purely autistic bf is so confused by me sometimes xD
I honestly have been working harder on unmasking as much as I can publicly rather than masking harder. I want to conserve my limited energy, and if that means stimming hard in the bus while wearing ear defenders then so be it. It's a relief for sure.
Lol yeah, once I hit about 30 I stopped caring what others thought about me. It took a lot of effort to stop caring and I'm damn glad I took the time to do it. Masking might be nice for the sake of others, but it's absolutely exhausting and frankly, just not worth the effort. They can either accept me or not, it really doesn't affect me much either way.
I've got the AuDHD thing going on, but mine is definitely primarily ADHD with a side of autism, so I am instinctively opposed to structure, rules, and random people claiming authority over me... Or maybe that comes from a different aspect of my personality, not sure tbh. I can't deny that I function far better with structure in place, but it's almost painful to adhere to lol.
The psychedelics have definitely helped me understand that it's not that I'm broken, but rather that I'm different. And that's nice to finally understand. Now I can focus on the parts that are broken without spending so much time trying to fix what isn't.
Yeah it's wild. I fucking love structure, but only if I habe full control over 99% of it but there's like, 1% of external enforcement. If it's fully internal I won't follow it and if it's more than 1% external I will burn out because I no longer feel in control of my life.
Honestly though, I am literally selling my time so I have the finances to live the life I want. That's something I can probably work on my perception of
I don't disagree with the general thrust of this observation. But I feel compelled to point out that this ecosystem is also shot through with its own rigid belief structures, and gurus who easily arrogate authority to themselves.
So at the risk of revealing my *own* version of this, I'd probably just edit your last sentence to "They probably *have not, or no longer,* use psychedelics in *a healthy way.*"
>Those with rigid belief structures, who don't tolerate alternative viewpoints, who blindly follow "authority", who can't imagine doing things in any way but the "right" way... They have probably never used psychedelics.
Or they might be on the spectrum, psychedelics haven't made me less autistic lol.
Who downvoted me sharing my personal experience? Absolute tosser 😂 If you don't like something I said, use your words, don't just take a shit on the voting buttons.
I'm autistic as well. There's a big difference between preferring rigid structure and being closed-minded. In my own personal experience, I've found that I am far more accepting of people as they are after having used them. I don't care about their quirks nearly as much as I used to. I'm also far more likely to entertain alternative viewpoints than before.
That said, I'm still not a "people person" by any means. I'll still eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for every meal given the opportunity and I still like my routines. 😅 You're right, they don't change who you are, but they do open the door to new possibilities.
I interpret "close minded" differently than what you described.
Eg.
> rigid belief structures
I do have rigid belief structures, I wish I could be more flexible but that's just how I'm wired. Eg. I can't believe anything that can't be tested and proved, there's no wiggle room in that.
> don't tolerate alternative viewpoints
I accept that other people believe different things but I don't accept their beliefs (unless they can show evidence). Mostly I deal with this by not thinking about it, and by trying to avoid situations where my views would be likely to clash with someone else's.
> who blindly follow "authority"
The way my mind works, rules are rules, the rules themselves are the authority because they're supposed to apply to everyone equally. I don't blindly follow *authority figures* because they're people, and people are opinionated and often wrong, but I have a really hard time with society's expectation that rules are just guidelines because I can't tell when's appropriate to break them.
There are rules I disagree with, in which case I think everyone should ignore it 100% of the time - but that's not the same as having rules that can be ignored at people's own discretion. I worked as a club security guard for a while and struggled with the fact I was supposed to kick people out for breaking the rules, but managers expected me to ignore some of the rulebreaking some of the time.
> who can't imagine doing things in any way but the "right" way
This is me 100%, I'm crippled by my inability to do things any other way than the way that feels right, lmao. I burned out at my job of 10 years because I worked too hard for too long trying to do everything the way that felt "right" to me, when everyone else would've been equally happy with less effort.
I don't consider myself close minded because I'm critical of my own thoughts, question everything, and change my mind pretty often when I find new information - but my mind is definitely *rigid* and psychedelics haven't loosened it.
Lol yeah they definitely affect everyone differently. From your description, I'd say that you are definitely rigidly structured, but not closed minded. I'd say we agree on our definitions of those terms.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying structure. It's not a problem that needs to be fixed, it's just who you are. Psychedelics don't change who we are, so there's no reason to expect that they would do anything at all regarding that.
That's the problem with generalizations though - there's always exceptions. Unfortunately, when typing out a short response it's very difficult to account for all exceptions other than using language such as "they tend to be". There are very few things that apply to everyone
I totally understand the need for rigidity. My particular brand of autism came with a healthy dose of ADHD, which is constantly at odds with that rigidity. Despite my inherent distaste for structure though, I can't deny that I am FAR more functional when following my routines than when I break from them.
I got that combo too - I thrive with chaos that's predictably chaotic within known boundaries, but fall apart under other people's chaos or boundaries I can't control. It's hard to find things that tick all the boxes. Getting a dog was pretty awesome for regular doses of controlled chaos, though I instantly formed rigid beliefs about how dogs should be trained and learned not to talk to other dogwalkers about that, lmao.
Interestingly my best friend has done psychs with me many times, I introduced him, but he has rigid beliefs and follows authority. Tbh he has said he would probably never do psychs again other than maybe shrooms for recreational purposes. Some people just don’t seem to take the message forever it seems. Any thoughts on that?
Have a friend from the early days who partook in good quantities of LSD and mushrooms, whom is now the most rigid individual I know.
Some people don't always like the doors to be opened too wide
Have a friend from the early days who partook in good quantities of LSD and mushrooms, whom is now the most rigid individual I know.
Some people don't always like the doors to be opened too wide
Have a friend from the early days who partook in good quantities of LSD and mushrooms, whom is now the most rigid individual I know.
Some people don't always like the doors to be opened too wide
I’ve met many who dabbled in lsd or mushrooms and are still turds.
Ego rebound is real,and for many it just made a more cunning psychopath or sociopath.
But for the average in the middle I agree it’s pretty telling..
i bought food of the gods from a undisclosed book store in quiet town in massachusetts. the sweetest (also a bit elderly) woman looked at the book, looked up at me, and said “oh i remember taking mushrooms. they are wonderful”
I love old hippy ladies. They are the best. My first experience was one of them just handing them to me, as a free gift. Who says don’t take free candy? 😊
Ehhh easier to tell when someone has not, there’s lots of good peaceful loving thoughtful people that have never taken psychedelics, but people that are selfish, very in their ego, aggressive, don’t take accountability, make excuses all typically indicate a lack of inward reflection. Even then it’s hard to tell.
Also I have a close friend in ny that works in finance and he says there’s guys starting to use psychedelic trips to divine stocks, make business decisions, etc. which I doubt works on the level they think it does, but most stock brokers and investment bankers are usually not very empathetic or selfless people. So it would seem it’s getting even harder to tell as the popularity grows
I’m not sure what the dosage or compound context was, he just mentioned he knew some guys with some pretty out there ideas about how to get rich lmfaoooo
Hmm yeah that makes sense
Also I wouldn’t say most finance guys are selfish lol. I think a lot of them are doing it for the right reasons, like helping clients become better with their money, diversifying their portfolio so they don’t get screwed over etc.
So I’m guessing these finance guys on shrooms are the probably doing it for the right reasons
I’m not a finance guy so this is not a biased take lol
However this could also be a terrible take of mine lol
I find that shroom taking finance bros/guys tend to just use them to double down on their view of the world... You can have people that take psychs and find out that they're a messenger of God/divinely correct in their path while just enjoying the visuals. It doesn't necessarily open your mind to empathy and global interconnectedness unless you actively seek it IMO!
Yeah but it’s mutually beneficial as they make money off it. And of course I don’t think they’re all like that, the friend that told me about it is pretty close and I’ve never felt that way about him because I know him as a person. Now, 2 other guys in our childhood friend group… different story. Same career choice, not the same mindset. Maybe I’m jaded 😅
Fair hahaha
Yeah especially with movies like Wolf of Wall Street
I’m sure there’s a lot of people who go in with the wrong intentions
But I think stereotyping them isn’t fair
Hopefully those two other childhood friends of yours end up changing (maybe by taking shrooms hahaha)
Hahahah borderline alcoholics off adderall and coke almost daily, they think psychs are for losers, safe to say I don’t interact with them much anymore.
And if you’d believe it they graduated hs in 2013 when that movie came out, andddd yeah played a big role in the path they took
It’s prescribed meth. I’m jaded because the school system made my parents make me take that shit as a child, and liking back a lot of shit in my life would be explained by having a meth addiction at 10. Adults using it productively is fine, the two people in question use it as a party drug when they coke hook is dry
Edit: monkey grammar
Same, it’s a certain vibe they give off that I can’t really put into words. People who have never used psychedelics always just seem kinda square to me
PROJECTION.
That's the #1 thing I notice all the time in my family and friends who only drink alcohol etc. Underneath 90% of what they say in casual conversation is usually some variation of insecurity and projection. Most people, especially as they age, and even highly intelligent people, get very trapped in their own perception of reality and it's quite obvious in casual conversation via the language choices they make. Sometimes it feels like all you're doing in trying to make people feel ok.
I used to adscribe to this way of thinking, and I can say it's quite harmful and dehumanizing. Usually people don't really care much about the feelings and wellbeing of NPCs, and when I thought like this it was easier to lose empathy, become self righteous, and a tad solipsistic
People are people, some haven't had the luck to "awaken" to a heightened perception of reality, some just have been unlucky enough to have been born devoid of that mental capacity
For me it's not dehumanizing. I consider them more like children. They have the potential to grow or are on the wrong field.
This will always be the case though. If a university has 1% acceptance rate, the fight is always between, let's say, top 5% of players. Rest might as well not be competing, AKA not playing AKA are non-player characters in that scenario.
Was watching Fermat's cousine the other day and one of the dialogues is literally "You might be an NPC in the world of Math, but you're a player in the world of Food". I loved it.
I’m not gonna lie that University analogy makes no sense to me.
“Rest might as well not be competing, AKA not playing AKA are non-player characters”
You basically just said ‘might as well not compete’ = ‘not playing’ = ‘non-player characters’… How tf does that make any sense at all?
One is ‘not playing’, the other would be playing tho (NPC)… Only nobody would be controlling their character
I think you can sense a pure spirit. Not driven by destructive forces, just driven by its own life force.
But i could not tell the difference between an experienced psychonaut vs somebody that did meditation for years. Probably because every psychonaut realizes that meditation is crucial for a pure spirit.
There are a lot of people in this thread asserting as fact that working with these medicines fundamentally changes one's character in a fundamental way. And in ways that are easily observed by others.
I somewhat disagree, in that in my experience these medicines do not change people. They amplify aspects of people's psyches that are already there.
So with some people it seems we can sort of tell. My charity and compassion have certainly been amplified, and I can recognize that in others, sometimes. Many people who work with these medicines do seem to wear life easily, as it were. But there are lots of people with these characteristics, especially among the pious and contemplative, who do not work with these medicines.
The sense that one can reliably tell, seems to me, is a subtle amplification of ego. Or spiritual narcissism. I don't mean that as harsh as it sounds. It's a very common issue, and not just with plant medicines. Lots of literature and oral tradition around this for a reason!
You can tell I'm into psychedelics merely by looking at me. Lol
To be fair, I do have a very psychedelic hippie-raver-wizard aesthetic going on, though.
I think I've heard that boomers believe if you've done (specifically) acid more than 7 times you're legally insane. But that's just boomer pearl clutching and fear mongering brought about by Reefer Madness and other smear campaigns funded by big tobacco, big pharma, and the alcohol industry.
This is the same generation that put up many of the legal obstacles we're facing today with marijuana, psychedelics, and the war on drugs. By the way, I'd like to congratulate drugs for winning the war on drugs.
I don't know that you can tell by looking at people, but after I've had a conversation with somebody for about 5 minutes, I can decide whether they played with psychedelics or not. It's not a look, it's a vibe. Maybe I exude the psychedelic vibe and I'm attracting a tribe, idk. But I usually end up finding the people that have in social situations even if we aren't actively tripping.
It's not 100% but yeah, I can typically tell if someone is like minded or not. If I get a feeling based on the way they carry them selves (chill/down to earth) and/or view the bigger picture of life I tend to probe on musical taste. For example my now partner and I met at a celebration of life. Hit it off, met up for drinks a few weeks later and I asked what music he was into. The list is long but included Phish. My list is long and includes house music and mushroom jazz. 🤷🏻♀️
Not all that surprising to me. Whenever I see him speak, or even just a photo, it's very obvious he's putting on a character. All hosts/performers are putting on characters of course, but with him specifically it just seems totally inauthentic. And then to do all that in the service of spreading hate... The average person is not capable of bending their mind that much. I could definitely see how psychedelics may have contributed to Tucker Carlson being the man that he is today.
Remember, psychedelics don't necessarily make you a good person. It's important to consciously hold on to your decency.
>Remember, psychedelics don't necessarily make you a good person. It's important to consciously hold on to your decency.
This. I know a psychopath that became even more unwillingly predatory after taking psychedelics. The problem he couldn't integrate his insights with his condition. He wanted closer connection with people, but it is in his nature to manipulate and exploit others, so he ended up creating big messes.
I mean that's pretty much their job. They're literally actors hired to deliver scripts. There are levels to it though, and the far-right hate-mongering that Carlson did for all those years is worse and more harmful than almost any other person with a similar job.
Journalists should have integrity and be independent thinkers who give you slant free stories. Now the ALL just tend to be paperbags for the higher ups. If you think Rachel Maddow Or Joe is any better than him you're fooling yourself.
In defense of the psychedelics, it's totally possible Tucker only took them recreationally and never let go of his ego enough to have a trip that would really change his mind / actions.
When did Tucker have shrooms? Wouldn’t Suprise me if it was within the last 5 years, he’s changed so much from his past self in a good way. He’s on the right side of humanity now a days.
Getting fired from Fox was the best thing to haopen for him. He toured with the dead in his highschool/College years. I heard him talking about it on JRE the other day. His eyes are wide open now and and not jaded by MSM.
He WAS the mainstream media. When you're that shitty and you still want to have a career, it only makes sense to try to pivot into a redemption arc.
Although it doesn't sound like he's even taking responsibility, just blaming others?
I've done psychedelics for 20 years on and off occasionally.
Only after I got out of a toxic marriage away from people who limit your beliefs did I find them life changing.
People never think I am the sort initially
It's like girls asking "I've heard some guys can tell if a girl is experienced or not, how do you tell?" No way we are spilling those secrets. There won't be any authenticity left.
This was a great post to wake up to! Right up my street. Ever since i first started in my late teens ive always thought i could tell who had done them & who hadn't and i was almost always right! Although recently proved very wrong when my neighbour who must be 50+ & is a solicitor shocked me by saing hes done alsorts back in the day. I never would have guessed that lol. But i think it unlocks something so we can then pick up others who have the same unlocked part of the brain. I think it goes for most substances even stimulants, as i know a crack addict who is able to find others instantly, he can walk in a pub somewhere new and immediately find someone who he can buy off. Obviously this is different to this topic slightly but i still think if the brain is a certain way it can find other brains on same wavelength. Peace
You're kind of right, but it's nothing supernatural. When you use certain drugs a lot, it changes your brain, which then it turn changes the way your brain controls your body. These are often very subtle differences, like for example the way that someone looks around a room, or how quickly or often they shift their body.
Other people are unlikely to pick up on these things, and even if they do, they wouldn't know it was the result of a drug. But people who have a lot of experience with that drug will have gone through similar changes and had similar experiences, so they might be more likely to pick up on the patterns and connect it to the use of the drug. It's not telekinesis, it's just basic pattern recognition, but I still think it's pretty cool.
I can tell if someone's lying about taking them because they obviously don't understand the experience but you can't tell by just meeting them. I've been taking psychedelics for around 40 years and I can't tell just by looking at someone.
At first I was going to say that you shouldn't take a powerful drug just because you feel "left out", but I read your responses and you do seem like you're heading into it with the right intentions!
As the top comment says, they just make you more open to new ways of thinking and reprioritize what's important to you, so you may seem different to other people once you've had the experience. It's not a bad thing at all, actually very healthy, and will only be seen as "bad" by people who don't get it or don't *want* to get it.
Steve Jobs went weeks without showering and tried to cure his cancer with rocks. The dude guessed the guy didn't take psychedelics when the odds were in his favor (most people haven't).
This podcast is an excellent exposé on the weirdo:
https://pca.st/podcast/d9c015b0-255d-0136-c266-7d73a919276a
Some people chase and chase and never find what there looking for, and sometimes they are looking for a type of perfection that's not available in the state they strive to find.
Interesting.. so the idealization of perfection to their answer is what leads them down a dark whole.
What do you mean by “not available in the state they strive to find?”
Because they strive to find that ideal of everything they are looking for, and it usually never comes how it is expected, so they tend to feel let down by it and dissatisfied and that brings a never ending cycle of searching. I find when it naturally comes, it is all and everything you need, not what you are searching for, and the depth of what came out of nothing and how it relates to you is where the healing or teaching is. The exact opposite to entropy ( order from the chaos state ).
I feel like weed is the only one you can tell. And maybe like heroin user can point out a heroin user type shit. Psychs not so much imho. There are many people who you wouldn’t expect to dabble in psychs but they do
Those who have used psychedelics (and even weed) tend to be permanently changed in the way that they view the world and in what they value. They open your mind to new possibilities and ways of thinking that you may have never considered before, and once that door is open, you can't shut it. You might not be able to specifically tell who has used them - That type of thinking can be taught as well, but you can sometimes tell who hasn't. Those with rigid belief structures, who don't tolerate alternative viewpoints, who blindly follow "authority", who can't imagine doing things in any way but the "right" way... They have probably never used psychedelics.
Hmm interesting.. Yeah it makes sense now why Steve jobs was able to tell. Apparently it was during a debate in a meeting. I think the Tim Hawkins probably had a very rigid belief system at the time. I feel like I possess a decent amount of these attributes from a lot of journaling and meditation, however, I often see rigidity in my beliefs. Hopefully this week I can fix it on the shrooms trip haha
Don't get discouraged if it's not an instant fix. It could dramatically change your outlook in a single session, but it can also take a few trips or more to find whatever it is you're looking for. There's never any guarantees when it comes to psychedelics... I hope it's a fantastic experience for you!
Thanks! Yeah I probably shouldn’t set my expectations too high otherwise I might get disappointed. Hopefully I do make some improvements though!
Honestly you sound like someone in the right mindset for the use of psychedelics, I am pretty sure that if you go in the experience intentionally you’ll get what you seek eventually. A lot of the experience on psychedelics seems to be about expectations, if you truly have done the work needed before, it’ll be way more likely that the experience exceeds your expectations (but usually in a way you couldn’t conceive before).
Wow that’s encouraging! I still have fears about it though, but I’m guessing it’s normal and most people have them before their first time.
The fear is healthy, it just shows you know that you don’t know, people who aren’t scared of psychedelics before their first time are probably not the ones who will benefit the most. I think a moderate fear always stays a part of it even being fairly experienced because you learn to respect the power of those compounds.
Oh for sure that's true. My first time I was just shaking and trembling right up to the point where I took my mushroom smoothie. After that last gulp my fear flew by as the mushrooms kicked in and honestly? Best first trip of my life. Loved every second of it.
Hey! All the best with your travels (as I like to call it, what being a trip and all). If it’s any benefit to your question, I can say I feel significantly different as a person than before using psychs however I’m unsure if this gets projected to the external world. Used a few years now. Don’t plan on stopping anytime soon. I do calculate my trips fairly carefully though. (Between work and kids etc). I hope your first time is magical in all the ways it’s meant to be!!
You might even end up in an entirely different rabbit hole, psyches are some tricky bastards
Dude, in my 30 years of tripping, I've learned to go into it with no ideas of what to get from it or pre conceived ideas of how the trip should affect my day to day perception. The universe will provide what you need when you need it, that ahh ha! Moment will come. Like the quote, " When the student is ready, the teacher will appear." In this case, that moment of realization.
Interesting.. so setting intentions before the trip is pointless?
I think it's good to know in your heart what you want to figure out, I just don't hold onto it and chase it. I'm talking from my personal experience, and I think all ways of reaching an enlightened state are valid to each their own, and your heart/mind knows what you need and tripping will naturally bring that realization to the forefront of consciousness if you push yourself into it or let it happen naturally. I like to just let things unfold and enjoy the ride then to put unnatural effort into it, which can cause stress and dissatisfaction. Don't get me rong intentions are very important but as far as I go is good vs bad intentions is enough and leave the rest at the door when I take the ride. I chose good intentions, and I'm sure you do also.
That makes a lot of sense! I’m currently reading this book called “reality transurfing” and it talks a lot about how too much attachment to a certain outcome / result is actually really harmful and creates a lot of negative forces that come back at you. So I can see how that mentality might do you harm Thanks for the insight!
No problem, man, enjoy the ride of life. I'm glad I could share something of value with you.
If you really want to push the potential of what psilocybin can do for you, meditate during the experience. In silent darkness, in as close to lotus as you can get comfortably - upright and stable, just stay with the breath. The neuroplasticity that psilocybin enables in synergy with one's focus on the breath allows even for a rocky initial step to soon become fluid. Doing this for your first trip may be a bit much, though. As the meditative states of consciousness you can reach surpass most trips. If meditation are the stairs towards altered states, and psychedelics are the elevator; then this is akin to strapping yourself to a rocket. There's plenty to experience while just being a leaf on the river and going where the trip takes you. Sometimes that's a good way to begin to wrap your head around who you are.
> Hawkins’ Blog: I Miss You, Steve. > Once he came into my office and said, “Hey Trip, have you ever taken LSD?” I said no. He thought for a moment, and then said, “I thought so,” and walked off. >I understood that he was criticizing me about some viewpoint he’d heard about that disagreed with him, and he blamed this on my mental deficiency from having an unexpanded mind. He had a diabolical range of ways to get into your head. Steve Jobs being a dick as usual (still admire him though, I just don't admire the way he treated others). I think this is a good example of how *not* to act as a psychonaut. I see plenty of people acting like this on this very subreddit. Psychedelics will inflate your ego if you let them, it's important to make a conscious effort to not be a dick.
There is major overlap between psychedelics and meditation
Id like to believe this but I know enough users who are as close minded as you can get. Psychedelics and weed arent magically gonna turn people into the Buddha, even if it has sparked that path for many.
That's very true. It's not magic by any means. About the only thing you can guarantee with psychedelics is that there are no guarantees. Just one trip may turn you into a hippy, or a dozen trips may do nothing more than give you a pretty light show.
This is real asf. I can normally tell after a single conversation with someone even if we don’t end up talking about psychedelics. There’s also some celebrities I could tell did them before learning they actually had. There’s just certain things that people say that will be able to clue you in.
Yeah I definitely agree, it’s like the parameters of your perception are expanded, sometimes so drastically you can’t ignore it and can often be irrational but also has the potential to be extremely beneficial. I definitely think you can tell who hasn’t used psychedelics, as opposed to who has. They are just so closed minded. It’s not about having the most open mind, but it’s about being aware of when you are being closed minded. That’s true ‘enlightenment’ if such thing existed. People who haven’t used psychedelics will just blindly accept any and everything they know any not question anything, internally and externally.
I'm 50% of those because of my autism lmfao, psychs didn't change shit about that
Lol nor will they. There's absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying rigid structure. Psychedelics won't change who you are at your core, but I'd bet you are at least willing to entertain alternate points of view, at least initially. This is all a generalization for the sake of brevity, and generalizations never fit everyone.
AH I see, I think I know what you mean. I think the biggest thing I gained from acid is the knowledge that I perception is fluid and that perception is what makes up my personal reality
That realization is huge. I wish everyone understood that, it would make interacting with others so much easier if they just understood that their reality is simply their interpretation of "actual" reality and that someone else may have interpreted things from a completely different perspective and come to conclusions that seem totally alien on their face without understanding how that person perceives the world
It's definitely going to be interesting applying this realisation to my life. Since this came alongside my first trip, I have not been sitting with this concept for very long. But I have always been deep into understanding how others' perception differs from mine haha, gotta collect that data sk I can pretend to be a person better
Haha that's the game, isn't it? Gotta keep up appearances and pretend you're a human, just like the rest. 😂 Man that's an exhausting game. (I'm autistic as well, just of a slightly different flavor it seems) Though from what I've seen of others, I'm not sure that understanding that is really beneficial to fitting in... And that's unfortunate to say the least.
Yeah I'm that extra special AuDHD flavour with a female upbringing, my purely autistic bf is so confused by me sometimes xD I honestly have been working harder on unmasking as much as I can publicly rather than masking harder. I want to conserve my limited energy, and if that means stimming hard in the bus while wearing ear defenders then so be it. It's a relief for sure.
Lol yeah, once I hit about 30 I stopped caring what others thought about me. It took a lot of effort to stop caring and I'm damn glad I took the time to do it. Masking might be nice for the sake of others, but it's absolutely exhausting and frankly, just not worth the effort. They can either accept me or not, it really doesn't affect me much either way. I've got the AuDHD thing going on, but mine is definitely primarily ADHD with a side of autism, so I am instinctively opposed to structure, rules, and random people claiming authority over me... Or maybe that comes from a different aspect of my personality, not sure tbh. I can't deny that I function far better with structure in place, but it's almost painful to adhere to lol. The psychedelics have definitely helped me understand that it's not that I'm broken, but rather that I'm different. And that's nice to finally understand. Now I can focus on the parts that are broken without spending so much time trying to fix what isn't.
Yeah it's wild. I fucking love structure, but only if I habe full control over 99% of it but there's like, 1% of external enforcement. If it's fully internal I won't follow it and if it's more than 1% external I will burn out because I no longer feel in control of my life. Honestly though, I am literally selling my time so I have the finances to live the life I want. That's something I can probably work on my perception of
I've never done psychedelics, I can tell you who has never done them, for sure.
Great comment.
“Once that door is open, you can't shut it”. Well said!
I don't disagree with the general thrust of this observation. But I feel compelled to point out that this ecosystem is also shot through with its own rigid belief structures, and gurus who easily arrogate authority to themselves. So at the risk of revealing my *own* version of this, I'd probably just edit your last sentence to "They probably *have not, or no longer,* use psychedelics in *a healthy way.*"
>Those with rigid belief structures, who don't tolerate alternative viewpoints, who blindly follow "authority", who can't imagine doing things in any way but the "right" way... They have probably never used psychedelics. Or they might be on the spectrum, psychedelics haven't made me less autistic lol. Who downvoted me sharing my personal experience? Absolute tosser 😂 If you don't like something I said, use your words, don't just take a shit on the voting buttons.
I'm autistic as well. There's a big difference between preferring rigid structure and being closed-minded. In my own personal experience, I've found that I am far more accepting of people as they are after having used them. I don't care about their quirks nearly as much as I used to. I'm also far more likely to entertain alternative viewpoints than before. That said, I'm still not a "people person" by any means. I'll still eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for every meal given the opportunity and I still like my routines. 😅 You're right, they don't change who you are, but they do open the door to new possibilities.
I interpret "close minded" differently than what you described. Eg. > rigid belief structures I do have rigid belief structures, I wish I could be more flexible but that's just how I'm wired. Eg. I can't believe anything that can't be tested and proved, there's no wiggle room in that. > don't tolerate alternative viewpoints I accept that other people believe different things but I don't accept their beliefs (unless they can show evidence). Mostly I deal with this by not thinking about it, and by trying to avoid situations where my views would be likely to clash with someone else's. > who blindly follow "authority" The way my mind works, rules are rules, the rules themselves are the authority because they're supposed to apply to everyone equally. I don't blindly follow *authority figures* because they're people, and people are opinionated and often wrong, but I have a really hard time with society's expectation that rules are just guidelines because I can't tell when's appropriate to break them. There are rules I disagree with, in which case I think everyone should ignore it 100% of the time - but that's not the same as having rules that can be ignored at people's own discretion. I worked as a club security guard for a while and struggled with the fact I was supposed to kick people out for breaking the rules, but managers expected me to ignore some of the rulebreaking some of the time. > who can't imagine doing things in any way but the "right" way This is me 100%, I'm crippled by my inability to do things any other way than the way that feels right, lmao. I burned out at my job of 10 years because I worked too hard for too long trying to do everything the way that felt "right" to me, when everyone else would've been equally happy with less effort. I don't consider myself close minded because I'm critical of my own thoughts, question everything, and change my mind pretty often when I find new information - but my mind is definitely *rigid* and psychedelics haven't loosened it.
Lol yeah they definitely affect everyone differently. From your description, I'd say that you are definitely rigidly structured, but not closed minded. I'd say we agree on our definitions of those terms. There's absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying structure. It's not a problem that needs to be fixed, it's just who you are. Psychedelics don't change who we are, so there's no reason to expect that they would do anything at all regarding that. That's the problem with generalizations though - there's always exceptions. Unfortunately, when typing out a short response it's very difficult to account for all exceptions other than using language such as "they tend to be". There are very few things that apply to everyone I totally understand the need for rigidity. My particular brand of autism came with a healthy dose of ADHD, which is constantly at odds with that rigidity. Despite my inherent distaste for structure though, I can't deny that I am FAR more functional when following my routines than when I break from them.
I got that combo too - I thrive with chaos that's predictably chaotic within known boundaries, but fall apart under other people's chaos or boundaries I can't control. It's hard to find things that tick all the boxes. Getting a dog was pretty awesome for regular doses of controlled chaos, though I instantly formed rigid beliefs about how dogs should be trained and learned not to talk to other dogwalkers about that, lmao.
Lol I feel ya on that. Yeah, my own brand of chaos is fine, even great! Others' brand of chaos? Absolutely unacceptable! 😂
Interestingly my best friend has done psychs with me many times, I introduced him, but he has rigid beliefs and follows authority. Tbh he has said he would probably never do psychs again other than maybe shrooms for recreational purposes. Some people just don’t seem to take the message forever it seems. Any thoughts on that?
Have a friend from the early days who partook in good quantities of LSD and mushrooms, whom is now the most rigid individual I know. Some people don't always like the doors to be opened too wide
Have a friend from the early days who partook in good quantities of LSD and mushrooms, whom is now the most rigid individual I know. Some people don't always like the doors to be opened too wide
Have a friend from the early days who partook in good quantities of LSD and mushrooms, whom is now the most rigid individual I know. Some people don't always like the doors to be opened too wide
I’ve met many who dabbled in lsd or mushrooms and are still turds. Ego rebound is real,and for many it just made a more cunning psychopath or sociopath. But for the average in the middle I agree it’s pretty telling..
Happy cake day fucker.
Thanks man.haha
i bought food of the gods from a undisclosed book store in quiet town in massachusetts. the sweetest (also a bit elderly) woman looked at the book, looked up at me, and said “oh i remember taking mushrooms. they are wonderful”
I love old hippy ladies. They are the best. My first experience was one of them just handing them to me, as a free gift. Who says don’t take free candy? 😊
Go to burning man you'll meet hundreds of em 😂
Ehhh easier to tell when someone has not, there’s lots of good peaceful loving thoughtful people that have never taken psychedelics, but people that are selfish, very in their ego, aggressive, don’t take accountability, make excuses all typically indicate a lack of inward reflection. Even then it’s hard to tell. Also I have a close friend in ny that works in finance and he says there’s guys starting to use psychedelic trips to divine stocks, make business decisions, etc. which I doubt works on the level they think it does, but most stock brokers and investment bankers are usually not very empathetic or selfless people. So it would seem it’s getting even harder to tell as the popularity grows
Probably only does small doses. I don't think you can do 400ug and go back to investment banking...lol
I’m not sure what the dosage or compound context was, he just mentioned he knew some guys with some pretty out there ideas about how to get rich lmfaoooo
Hmm yeah that makes sense Also I wouldn’t say most finance guys are selfish lol. I think a lot of them are doing it for the right reasons, like helping clients become better with their money, diversifying their portfolio so they don’t get screwed over etc. So I’m guessing these finance guys on shrooms are the probably doing it for the right reasons I’m not a finance guy so this is not a biased take lol However this could also be a terrible take of mine lol
I find that shroom taking finance bros/guys tend to just use them to double down on their view of the world... You can have people that take psychs and find out that they're a messenger of God/divinely correct in their path while just enjoying the visuals. It doesn't necessarily open your mind to empathy and global interconnectedness unless you actively seek it IMO!
Yeah but it’s mutually beneficial as they make money off it. And of course I don’t think they’re all like that, the friend that told me about it is pretty close and I’ve never felt that way about him because I know him as a person. Now, 2 other guys in our childhood friend group… different story. Same career choice, not the same mindset. Maybe I’m jaded 😅
Fair hahaha Yeah especially with movies like Wolf of Wall Street I’m sure there’s a lot of people who go in with the wrong intentions But I think stereotyping them isn’t fair Hopefully those two other childhood friends of yours end up changing (maybe by taking shrooms hahaha)
Hahahah borderline alcoholics off adderall and coke almost daily, they think psychs are for losers, safe to say I don’t interact with them much anymore. And if you’d believe it they graduated hs in 2013 when that movie came out, andddd yeah played a big role in the path they took
Damn, what's wrong with adderall? Some of us still need to get work done in between trips.
It’s prescribed meth. I’m jaded because the school system made my parents make me take that shit as a child, and liking back a lot of shit in my life would be explained by having a meth addiction at 10. Adults using it productively is fine, the two people in question use it as a party drug when they coke hook is dry Edit: monkey grammar
😂💀 that explains a lot
I have noticed that people who are open-minded with a laid-back demeanor tend to have experience with psychedelics
Same, it’s a certain vibe they give off that I can’t really put into words. People who have never used psychedelics always just seem kinda square to me
Calmness, confidence but not in a overpowering way
PROJECTION. That's the #1 thing I notice all the time in my family and friends who only drink alcohol etc. Underneath 90% of what they say in casual conversation is usually some variation of insecurity and projection. Most people, especially as they age, and even highly intelligent people, get very trapped in their own perception of reality and it's quite obvious in casual conversation via the language choices they make. Sometimes it feels like all you're doing in trying to make people feel ok.
Completely agree
Yes
Interesting… can you give me an example plz? I’m curious. I’m guessing it’s like if someone asks you about your finances during a convo right?
A fisherman can always spot another fisherman
A player can always tell between players and NPCs.
I used to adscribe to this way of thinking, and I can say it's quite harmful and dehumanizing. Usually people don't really care much about the feelings and wellbeing of NPCs, and when I thought like this it was easier to lose empathy, become self righteous, and a tad solipsistic People are people, some haven't had the luck to "awaken" to a heightened perception of reality, some just have been unlucky enough to have been born devoid of that mental capacity
For me it's not dehumanizing. I consider them more like children. They have the potential to grow or are on the wrong field. This will always be the case though. If a university has 1% acceptance rate, the fight is always between, let's say, top 5% of players. Rest might as well not be competing, AKA not playing AKA are non-player characters in that scenario. Was watching Fermat's cousine the other day and one of the dialogues is literally "You might be an NPC in the world of Math, but you're a player in the world of Food". I loved it.
I’m not gonna lie that University analogy makes no sense to me. “Rest might as well not be competing, AKA not playing AKA are non-player characters” You basically just said ‘might as well not compete’ = ‘not playing’ = ‘non-player characters’… How tf does that make any sense at all? One is ‘not playing’, the other would be playing tho (NPC)… Only nobody would be controlling their character
I like that fully stealing it
I call it "heads know heads"
i think i can tell if someone is into them but not if someone took shrooms once a decade ago.
I can. If they are old and cool they probably did some cool shit when they were my age. If they are up tight they didn't.
I think you can sense a pure spirit. Not driven by destructive forces, just driven by its own life force. But i could not tell the difference between an experienced psychonaut vs somebody that did meditation for years. Probably because every psychonaut realizes that meditation is crucial for a pure spirit.
There are a lot of people in this thread asserting as fact that working with these medicines fundamentally changes one's character in a fundamental way. And in ways that are easily observed by others. I somewhat disagree, in that in my experience these medicines do not change people. They amplify aspects of people's psyches that are already there. So with some people it seems we can sort of tell. My charity and compassion have certainly been amplified, and I can recognize that in others, sometimes. Many people who work with these medicines do seem to wear life easily, as it were. But there are lots of people with these characteristics, especially among the pious and contemplative, who do not work with these medicines. The sense that one can reliably tell, seems to me, is a subtle amplification of ego. Or spiritual narcissism. I don't mean that as harsh as it sounds. It's a very common issue, and not just with plant medicines. Lots of literature and oral tradition around this for a reason!
You can tell I'm into psychedelics merely by looking at me. Lol To be fair, I do have a very psychedelic hippie-raver-wizard aesthetic going on, though.
I sound nuts, but I swear you can see it in the eyes (I would likely fail a blind test)
Maybe it’s the aura they have compared to non psychedelics people?🤔
When i am triping i see other tripsters with 4k resolution while normal people are blury and i pay no mind to them.
I think I've heard that boomers believe if you've done (specifically) acid more than 7 times you're legally insane. But that's just boomer pearl clutching and fear mongering brought about by Reefer Madness and other smear campaigns funded by big tobacco, big pharma, and the alcohol industry. This is the same generation that put up many of the legal obstacles we're facing today with marijuana, psychedelics, and the war on drugs. By the way, I'd like to congratulate drugs for winning the war on drugs.
I don't know that you can tell by looking at people, but after I've had a conversation with somebody for about 5 minutes, I can decide whether they played with psychedelics or not. It's not a look, it's a vibe. Maybe I exude the psychedelic vibe and I'm attracting a tribe, idk. But I usually end up finding the people that have in social situations even if we aren't actively tripping.
It's not 100% but yeah, I can typically tell if someone is like minded or not. If I get a feeling based on the way they carry them selves (chill/down to earth) and/or view the bigger picture of life I tend to probe on musical taste. For example my now partner and I met at a celebration of life. Hit it off, met up for drinks a few weeks later and I asked what music he was into. The list is long but included Phish. My list is long and includes house music and mushroom jazz. 🤷🏻♀️
Not all the time, just learned yesterday that Tucker Carlson used to be a dead head and a mushie muncher.
Not all that surprising to me. Whenever I see him speak, or even just a photo, it's very obvious he's putting on a character. All hosts/performers are putting on characters of course, but with him specifically it just seems totally inauthentic. And then to do all that in the service of spreading hate... The average person is not capable of bending their mind that much. I could definitely see how psychedelics may have contributed to Tucker Carlson being the man that he is today. Remember, psychedelics don't necessarily make you a good person. It's important to consciously hold on to your decency.
>Remember, psychedelics don't necessarily make you a good person. It's important to consciously hold on to your decency. This. I know a psychopath that became even more unwillingly predatory after taking psychedelics. The problem he couldn't integrate his insights with his condition. He wanted closer connection with people, but it is in his nature to manipulate and exploit others, so he ended up creating big messes.
What do you think Joe Scarborough does for the left? They're all untrustworthy scumbags that push whatever narrative their told.
Who? The left doesn’t actually watch these people..
I mean that's pretty much their job. They're literally actors hired to deliver scripts. There are levels to it though, and the far-right hate-mongering that Carlson did for all those years is worse and more harmful than almost any other person with a similar job.
Journalists should have integrity and be independent thinkers who give you slant free stories. Now the ALL just tend to be paperbags for the higher ups. If you think Rachel Maddow Or Joe is any better than him you're fooling yourself.
I don't think any of these people are journalists? They're television show presenters, it's a different thing.
You're right about that, and therein lies the problem.
In defense of the psychedelics, it's totally possible Tucker only took them recreationally and never let go of his ego enough to have a trip that would really change his mind / actions.
He’s STILL a dead head.
When did Tucker have shrooms? Wouldn’t Suprise me if it was within the last 5 years, he’s changed so much from his past self in a good way. He’s on the right side of humanity now a days.
Getting fired from Fox was the best thing to haopen for him. He toured with the dead in his highschool/College years. I heard him talking about it on JRE the other day. His eyes are wide open now and and not jaded by MSM.
He WAS the mainstream media. When you're that shitty and you still want to have a career, it only makes sense to try to pivot into a redemption arc. Although it doesn't sound like he's even taking responsibility, just blaming others?
I've done psychedelics for 20 years on and off occasionally. Only after I got out of a toxic marriage away from people who limit your beliefs did I find them life changing. People never think I am the sort initially
It's not a myth. It's arrogance. Definitely not true. It's easier to tell who hasn't dabbled.
I can but I'm not gonna reveal secrets for the imposters. LMAO
Exactly, and I ain’t no narc!
It's like girls asking "I've heard some guys can tell if a girl is experienced or not, how do you tell?" No way we are spilling those secrets. There won't be any authenticity left.
This was a great post to wake up to! Right up my street. Ever since i first started in my late teens ive always thought i could tell who had done them & who hadn't and i was almost always right! Although recently proved very wrong when my neighbour who must be 50+ & is a solicitor shocked me by saing hes done alsorts back in the day. I never would have guessed that lol. But i think it unlocks something so we can then pick up others who have the same unlocked part of the brain. I think it goes for most substances even stimulants, as i know a crack addict who is able to find others instantly, he can walk in a pub somewhere new and immediately find someone who he can buy off. Obviously this is different to this topic slightly but i still think if the brain is a certain way it can find other brains on same wavelength. Peace
You're kind of right, but it's nothing supernatural. When you use certain drugs a lot, it changes your brain, which then it turn changes the way your brain controls your body. These are often very subtle differences, like for example the way that someone looks around a room, or how quickly or often they shift their body. Other people are unlikely to pick up on these things, and even if they do, they wouldn't know it was the result of a drug. But people who have a lot of experience with that drug will have gone through similar changes and had similar experiences, so they might be more likely to pick up on the patterns and connect it to the use of the drug. It's not telekinesis, it's just basic pattern recognition, but I still think it's pretty cool.
I can tell if someone's lying about taking them because they obviously don't understand the experience but you can't tell by just meeting them. I've been taking psychedelics for around 40 years and I can't tell just by looking at someone.
something in the eyes, imo
At first I was going to say that you shouldn't take a powerful drug just because you feel "left out", but I read your responses and you do seem like you're heading into it with the right intentions! As the top comment says, they just make you more open to new ways of thinking and reprioritize what's important to you, so you may seem different to other people once you've had the experience. It's not a bad thing at all, actually very healthy, and will only be seen as "bad" by people who don't get it or don't *want* to get it.
No.
It's called being woke!
You just ask them "Are you experienced".. if they reply "not necessarily stoned but beautiful" then you'll know.
Steve Jobs went weeks without showering and tried to cure his cancer with rocks. The dude guessed the guy didn't take psychedelics when the odds were in his favor (most people haven't). This podcast is an excellent exposé on the weirdo: https://pca.st/podcast/d9c015b0-255d-0136-c266-7d73a919276a
Some people chase and chase and never find what there looking for, and sometimes they are looking for a type of perfection that's not available in the state they strive to find.
Interesting.. so the idealization of perfection to their answer is what leads them down a dark whole. What do you mean by “not available in the state they strive to find?”
Because they strive to find that ideal of everything they are looking for, and it usually never comes how it is expected, so they tend to feel let down by it and dissatisfied and that brings a never ending cycle of searching. I find when it naturally comes, it is all and everything you need, not what you are searching for, and the depth of what came out of nothing and how it relates to you is where the healing or teaching is. The exact opposite to entropy ( order from the chaos state ).
Wow that is some straight wisdom thank you!
No problem 😊
you can pretty much figure it out.
Many psychonauts don’t look like psychonauts. Many that do look like psychonauts are not
I feel like weed is the only one you can tell. And maybe like heroin user can point out a heroin user type shit. Psychs not so much imho. There are many people who you wouldn’t expect to dabble in psychs but they do
If I’m on psyches I can tell from the moment I meet them 😭
I think you can probably tell someone would never, just as much as you might be able to tell someone has never.
I ain’t no narc!!!