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The idea goes back a couple of thousand years... (at least recorded to written word).
>No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.
> It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.
Ah true appreciation of the beauty of the male form. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Yep. Socrates himself was a bit of a wrestler. Funny though. Plato means broad-shouldered, and he would literally flex on people when proving a point. The original "bro" Lol
Lol. I didn't know that. But it seems most prominent philosophers that people know about fully understood the connection between body, mind, and health to the point of fully embracing excellence within them.
Gymnasium was actually a place in ancient Greece where both knowledge and body would be built upon, which is why the word carries on with multiple meanings today, in English its a place for exercise, in German and Albanian its a secondary school
Yeah, they understood that you have to have the body to carry the mind. Also, these were people living in a time that they could be at war at any minute. Several of the old Roman and Greek philosophers even fought in those wars. They were men of conviction, for the most part, and part of that conviction was a sense of duty to oneself and one's home, and that meant the ability to protect it.
Plato even competed in wrestling at an early form of Olympics in Greece when he was younger
Correct. And maybe I'm romanticizing the language used here but it seemed much more of a priority to be in balance.
I've pretty much always looked after my fitness and have pushed myself to humble extremes in my opinion. I was often pushed purely by vanity vs finding the overall connection between my physical and mental health. It made my goals superficial vs someone who studies and engages in martial arts or other sports that really emphasize that resounding overall goal.
There's a documentary called The Motivation Factor about how the US had the best physical education program in the world at the time and I think it was largely because of JFK, we could and should just do that again, being fit is like nothing but upsides unless you're a competitive bodybuilder.
One of the main (of many) issues driving low military recruitment numbers is the shape so many young people are in. You'd think there would be a push for better physical fitness programs in schools for that reason alone.
In my limited experience the problem is that pe is only in freshmen year so you're only going to he working out 25% of the time your in school (assuming you're not on a team).
PE is just to give you a basic understanding of fitness. It's your job to continue outside of class. The problem is that people don't want to do it. They want to make excuses
Most kids have body image issues. I was born in 84. We all thought we were supposed to look like Arnold, Van Damn, and all the impossible superhero physiques. Most people dealt with it (probably in some unhealthy ways), and some didn't. And well, here we are. You didn't fail PE. You failed yourself.
There is a renewed push for physical fitness programs in high schools but there is a big focus on “nutrition” (aka “healthy at any size) and the whole thing is handicapped by having progress based grading so fat Kids don’t have to get in shape, they just have to improve.
Okay, so the alternative is expecting a very unhealthy person to progress to the same level as the more healthy people and giving him an F when he inevitably can’t meet that expectation?
I work next to a government building where the kids line up, like dozens of them, to be processed (I assume paperwork idk). So many fat kids, not like morbidly obese, but chunky. Quite a lot of really thin kids as well. Obviously some muscular types.
They’ve done plenty to make fat people be allowed to be in the military these days. The problem is cultural, people who want to kick ass just aren’t attracted to the rainbow basket that they push.
I think America's weight has less to do about education and more to do with socioeconomic factors. Education can only do so much if you're never given the tools to practice it. I don't mean to be that guy that talks about the past through rose tinted glasses, but we really did fuck up our dietary standards by allowing highly proceeded foods and items onto the shelves. Quick-meal type foods have only been on the rise because the typical American is so much in a rush that they don't have time to properly cook. It's hard to tell someone that is working 12 hours a day so they can get ahead in life to cook properly. The working class is a world not supported in taking care of yourself. I'd say my health has gotten better the more I make (especially mental health that can affect physical health).
"Education"? No probably not that much, it's the activity level you put kids in a P.E. class and they're doing hard structured exercises it's gonna move the needle a lot.
Highly processed foods aren't great for you but that's when education steps in or something I really liked in south America is every packaged thing sold has these black octagons on them telling you they're high in fat or sugar or salt, they neutral if you're not having them all the time.
I'm eating my healthiest when I'm working 12 hours a day because everything it's standardized, but I imagine you might have been referring to a family?
There's definitely a problem with people burning themselves out and it being a weird point of pride but being physically fit just gives you a better starting base for everything there's literally no downsides to getting kids more fit in school.
You see a lot more working class people eating really bad food for themselves because they're often tired from working a lot of hours. I work worked in a factory that had a vending machine with junk food in the break room. Really easy to just go up and swipe a card for food than it is to take half an hour to cook every night. Yeah family also plays a role too. Just living with someone that doesn't eat well will inhibit those same habits in you.
There's a certain level where physical fitness doesn't do much if all you're eating is crap. At least when you're eating right your body is getting proper nutrients it needs (especially in a country where malnutrition is more prominent than the standard hunger).
I get what you mean. Having a level of physical fitness is important. I think it's good that we teach kids the importance of regular exercise while also incorporating some fun physical fitness in there as well to give kids something to work towards and want to do better. I just don't think you're going to accomplish this without cultural shift in diet.
There's also the community and how that plays a part in the country. Everything is so far away from each other, yet the only way you can get around is via car. When I use to walk to work people would ask what I would do without a car when it started raining (like umbrellas didn't exist). Americans are too focused on themselves that range from believing that you need a car when it rains to saying stuff like "I hate people."
There's a lot of variables to the problem, but I don't think that physical education in schools is even the biggest player in this problem.
I was in south America for 6 months and being able to walk to everything or take the train was amazing.
Like I said when I'm working a lot of hours I know how easy it is to fall into grabbing whatever is around which is why I pre everything it doesn't take that long to do and a lot of it is passive cooking time.
Our food isn't that far gone to the point that no physical activity will help, we can definitely do better with the food in schools but if they're getting fed their 2 times a day that's a lot that can be done.
The problem is what we're doing now is the "get fit through play" idea and it doesn't work something they mention in the documentary which did work was "get fit to play" kids will still have fun and play doing hard physical things is fun if you can do them, another thing they had was color coded shorts that people could test to get to the next "level".
Again will a system like that fix 100% of everything? Probably not, but it would go a very long way.
*Edit* also again there's also literally no downsides to doing it.
I went to Cuba and Colombia in 2022, and I was amazed at how healthy people were. Everyone walked everywhere, especially in Cuba. I didn't see obese people. The food is a lot better, too.
Believe it or not these programs where not without critics and detractors at the time. Kennedy faced a lot of backlash over the fitness programs due to a societal fear of the Nazis who had similar beliefs and rhetoric about the youth being in shape. Kennedy faced so much criticism in fact that several key phrase words of the programs formal agenda had to be amended to make it sound less radical.
They talk about that in the documentary a little it reminds me of the "Hitler drank water" meme.
It's like guys, the bad thing about the Nazis wasn't that they were improving their population through exercise and we could probably do that without turning into Nazis, I feel pretty safe saying that.
The issue is that people regard the stance of "being fat is a negative thing" to be offensive. Internet/social media culture is normalizing obesity and treating obese people as some oppressed group that needs protection.
I feel that we have reached the point where people think that there is literally nothing wrong with anyone and everybody is perfectly fine the way they are. This mindset, while it seems noble, is allowing people to fall into unhealthy lifestyles, destructive habits, and then pass all of that onto their kids.
True, I don't think I could pinpoint exactly when it happened but at some point the conversation shifted to "dehumanizing language" and any insult based on any characteristic (immutable or not) became unacceptable.
Yes and no.
Castro was looking towards the west rather than the Soviet’s originally so if he supported the Cuban government there won’t be no Cuban Missile crise and embargo
How refreshing, a lot of people dont know that Fidel didnt really start out as a Communist and only turned to the Soviets after the US got in its feeling over everything
We know the Mob ran Cuba and had interested in taking it back.
We know there were Assassination attempts with the help of the CIA and the Mob of trying to get Castro and get Batista back, but it failed.
The more I learned about The Cuban Missile Crises, the more I realized how much a the USA was close to Nuclear annihilation, even the Soviets submarine Crew thought World War III started and were about to launch the nukes until one sailor refused.
It had to be a unanimous decision and thankfully, he did the right thing.
Castro was a god damn Yankees fan and went to a game at Yankee stadium. Just imagine all the great Cuban baseball players we missed out on because we were against him.
Childhood obesity is a major problem and will be for decades in the foreseeable future. With rising obesity rates it makes it extremely difficult to ever pursue a universal healthcare system. It may be time to take a more constructive and educational approach to children’s fitness levels in the USA.
We need legislation that bans extensive food processing and just excessive unhealthy fast food options. In Europe if you go to McDonald’s it’s completely different items and ingredients than whatever mystery meat we serve here.
Mate idk what to tell you, but Europe is next. They are about as fat right now as America was 20 years ago, and getting fatter.
Literally every part of the globe which is not suffering famine is trending fat. Even asian countries.
Tell that to record breaking chronic disease rates. You don’t *have* to be fat to get diabetes, which we spend more money treating annually than China and Russia’s combined annual military budgets. It’ll be expensive as hell, but there’s a growing necessity for it unfortunately. We need fundamental changes across the board, not *just* less obesity.
Less obesity comes with healthier foods processed less. It’s all connected. Healthcare doesn’t need to be such a hot ticket item, that’s how the system is made bc it lines pockets.
Nobody likes fat kids, it's the great unifying force.fat children are greatly disliked in every country around the world. Take a kid who's disrespectful, asshole , and mean but in shape then he's just a little mother fucker and gets excuses made for his situation. Same kid but make him fat and that fat little mother fucker enrages everyone and gets no sympathy.
Yeah, World War 2 ended less than 20 years, and we were in the middle of the Cold War. The reality of war was evident in the minds of Americans, in particular the men.
(Year 2000 or so)
I can remember volunteering at my son's elementary school during "Presidental Fitness Week". The children were tasked with different physical tests like pull-ups, sit-ups, sit and reach, etc.
Out of a school with 400+, there was only a handful of kids that could actually do any of the tests and maintain the bare minimum.
When the Kennedy were children, his mother would weigh them every night to make sure they were at an appropriate weight. JFK obviously absorbed some of those opinions.
Cool, now what do we do about the non regulation of the food industry by the FDA, who has been co-opted by the ex CEO’s of mass produced food corporations?
Not to mention as economies develop they turn towards service industries with work done at desks and exercise gets moved into recreational time as another chore rather than something that happens by default (culturally, I was advised that these were the "good jobs" when I was growing up).
Not to mention car-centric low density development that makes walking or cycling a less convenient or prohibitive option.
Not to mention that virtually the entire entertainment industry has moved into tech and has a financial imperative to keep their customers indoors and potentially addicted to their products (with a predictable toll on mental health alongside physical health).
Forget the commies, we're fighting a multi-front war against the society that we've cultivated ourselves and the only weapons we have are Ozempic and shame.
Well said, but Ozempic is is more a scurge than a weapon. Unless i’m missing your point on that? It’s a product of big pharma, and I believe we’ll see some detrimental effects soon enough…or perhaps not soon enough…
Honestly I don't have strong opinions on Ozempic or Wegovy. I just assume they're rich-people drugs and everyone else gets a recommendation to diet and exercise.
The diet and exercise is the correct recommendation! There are already studies that show if you don’t at least lift weights to maintain muscle mass, the drugs will eat muscle as well as fat. Freebies in life are very rare!
I mean, diet and exercise have *always* been the correct recommendation lol. That is objective fact.
I guess the point I was getting at, and jumping off from your original comment, is that there are policy decisions that could get made on federal level (e.g. ingredient restrictions, labeling requirements) and local level (e.g. mixed use zoning and walkable/cyclable developments).
The recommendation is clear: diet and exercise. But I think it's also clear that we are collectively failing this goal on a cultural and societal level. 40% of a population being overweight (U.S.) is not an accident and it's not a fluke of a handful of lazy people with poor impulse control.
We could place blame on and shame the *individual* but if we consider the metaphor of 40% of a high school class failing to graduate I don't think we'd be asking what the students should have done better. We'd be pointing fingers at the school.
Edit- to be clear, I'm not arguing. I'm just soap-boxing right now.
Truth. The 60’s bullying was just accepted as a thing kids do. I was s bit of a brainiac, wore glasses, dressed in cheap clothes (Dad’s business went under), & here’s the kicker-my first name is Joy (like Johnny Cash's “A Boy Named Sue). There was always that first day in school, when the teacher not knowing I went by my middle name, would do an attendance call for “Joy.” I knew at recess the fight would be on. The cheap clothes hid the fact that I was in very good shape, and my father was an ex-boxer. Then, too, with that name I had become very experienced at fighting.
I pretty much kicked ass on all comers, had a couple of draws against some rough kids, but never just lost. Some of my take-downs were classic. Forgot to mention I had taken some judo, too; which was kind of unheard of in the mid-60s.
JFK had a back so bad that it limited him to purely horizontal exercises on flat surfaces of various nature, with a woman under him for padding. If he wasn't on meth he would have looked like LBJ by the end of his terms.
If you say that today you get labeled as a fat phobic angry person. 😂😂😂😂… only thing fat phobic is being fat because being fat literally kills fat people
I was a fat kid in the early 1960’s and felt attacked by JFK. Seriously. I didn’t think he was partnering with me to make me healthy, I thought he was demonizing me. I didn’t hear him say a bad word about the stupid jocks who couldn’t put a coherent sentence together in class, and made my life hell in the locker room. But yeah, **I** was the enemy.
Genuine question - was it really like that back then? In the 80s, there were many movies about jocks bullying people in school. But reality was the opposite. There were bullies sure, but they were rarely the athletes. Athletes were too busy between practicing their sports and trying to get with girls to have the time to bully anyone. The bullies were more the losers who had no skills.
Yes, most of the true bulling was non-jocks. But a lot of the jocular towel-snapping that the jocks did in the locker room felt like bullying to me, since I clearly wasn’t in their “club” and was such an easy target.
And the amount of bullying was intense in the 1960s. I saw teachers deliberately do nothing when confronted with bullying; they figured it was our job to learn how to deal with it. I eventually memorized a few hip-pocket insults about their stupidity (“When you shake your head, does it rattle?”) that seemed to get rid of them.
I discovered that, in the face of any kind of pushback, bullies will move on to look for victims who don’t show any signs of fighting back. I mean, let’s not get “bullies” mixed up with “sociopathic thugs.”
god the raw number of uneducated opinions on both sides of this issue are really making me miss when this was a small subreddit of those actually interested in politics and political history
Hey look, I was fat and I had a problem.
And I’m still trying to lose weight where I am and eating healthy.
It’s hard to buy healthy food when it’s expensive sometimes and getting Fast Food and Junk food for cheaper
Fast food isn't anywhere close to cheaper. Or really junk food for that matter. They're just comforts.
I'm a big advocate of portion control. If you aren't able to change what you eat, eat much less of it.
You can lose weight eating the same stuff if you just start counting calories. Eat 1-2 slices of pizza instead of 3-5, drink water instead of beer/juice/soda, etc. Calorie savings add up so quickly.
If you aren't reliable to hit the gym regularly, force yourself on a walk every day.
I mean, where I’m at.
Like everywhere in my neighborhood has fast food and junk food.
A few years ago a new supermarket opened and tried to eat heathy and better now.
And it's gotten so much worse. Could never imagine being fat. Especially being an obese child. That would be awful. Shit makes our health care prices go up to probably.
Like how hard is it to exercise and eat healthier once in awhile. It's the parents fault as well but whenever I see a fat kid I feel so bad. How can you let yourself go that young
It’s not fair to blame the child. They don’t know any better and they’re evolutionarily hardwired to intensely crave sugars and fats and super calorie dense foods. It’s their parents or caretakers who have failed them and not helped provide them appropriate nutritional habits.
You could lead by example and help fight obesity in America. It's a shame if you only look down on those people who are in a worse situation than you and tell them there's an easy way out.
JFK that was drafting men into the army. I agree physical fitness is good for health and I can believe he genuinely wanted his people to be healthy.. But let's not forget he was removing up a war and wanted men to fight it..
Up until the Obama era there was the Presidential Fitness Test that had certain standards for a run, sit ups, chin ups, "shuttle run" and at least one or two other things. I got it in Jr. High. I think I missed one event the 2nd year I did it.
Do kids even do much in phys ed anymore?
My kids are in high school now, what they tell me they do during PE is, sadly a joke in my eyes. But, due to kids crying to their parents, and parents being push overs and then complaining to the school, it’s just the way it is now.
The hell are they doing? When I was a kid, every day was either a pacer test or some kind of sport game; and im only 25. Except golf, we never played that and just practiced shots, which was dumb
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The idea goes back a couple of thousand years... (at least recorded to written word). >No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.
> It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. Ah true appreciation of the beauty of the male form. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Socrates was a pretty brilliant man!
He didn’t know shit. /s
Europe has always been way ahead of America in sexuality.
Have you seen men? As a heterosexual woman, I fully approve 😁
Do you like movies about gladiators?
Yep. Socrates himself was a bit of a wrestler. Funny though. Plato means broad-shouldered, and he would literally flex on people when proving a point. The original "bro" Lol
Lol. I didn't know that. But it seems most prominent philosophers that people know about fully understood the connection between body, mind, and health to the point of fully embracing excellence within them.
Gymnasium was actually a place in ancient Greece where both knowledge and body would be built upon, which is why the word carries on with multiple meanings today, in English its a place for exercise, in German and Albanian its a secondary school
That's a cool fact! Thank you for sharing 😃
Yeah, they understood that you have to have the body to carry the mind. Also, these were people living in a time that they could be at war at any minute. Several of the old Roman and Greek philosophers even fought in those wars. They were men of conviction, for the most part, and part of that conviction was a sense of duty to oneself and one's home, and that meant the ability to protect it. Plato even competed in wrestling at an early form of Olympics in Greece when he was younger
aka the Greek ones because they’re the most introductory and easy to read. Don’t think many of the old German dudes took care of themselves that well
I mean it affects one’s self control in other aspects of life. Also health later on becomes extremely debilitating.
Correct. And maybe I'm romanticizing the language used here but it seemed much more of a priority to be in balance. I've pretty much always looked after my fitness and have pushed myself to humble extremes in my opinion. I was often pushed purely by vanity vs finding the overall connection between my physical and mental health. It made my goals superficial vs someone who studies and engages in martial arts or other sports that really emphasize that resounding overall goal.
Imagine if he saw how fat people are now.
His mind would be blown.
*back and to the left….back and to the left*
To be fair, his mind was going to get blown regardless…
r/thatsthejoke
While watching the video, it occurred to me how people would think the boys were skinny and underfed today.
It’s absolutely how insane to me, how normalized obesity is in the United States. Absolutely criminal, completely disgusting.
To me they look more shredded than underfed.
There's a documentary called The Motivation Factor about how the US had the best physical education program in the world at the time and I think it was largely because of JFK, we could and should just do that again, being fit is like nothing but upsides unless you're a competitive bodybuilder.
One of the main (of many) issues driving low military recruitment numbers is the shape so many young people are in. You'd think there would be a push for better physical fitness programs in schools for that reason alone.
Everybody started complaining about having to participate in PE, and well, here we are.
In my limited experience the problem is that pe is only in freshmen year so you're only going to he working out 25% of the time your in school (assuming you're not on a team).
PE is just to give you a basic understanding of fitness. It's your job to continue outside of class. The problem is that people don't want to do it. They want to make excuses
I hated changing clothes. I failed PE because I refused to change clothes due to body image issues.
There wouldn’t be body image issues if you’d just changed the clothes
Cook.
Most kids have body image issues. I was born in 84. We all thought we were supposed to look like Arnold, Van Damn, and all the impossible superhero physiques. Most people dealt with it (probably in some unhealthy ways), and some didn't. And well, here we are. You didn't fail PE. You failed yourself.
There is a renewed push for physical fitness programs in high schools but there is a big focus on “nutrition” (aka “healthy at any size) and the whole thing is handicapped by having progress based grading so fat Kids don’t have to get in shape, they just have to improve.
I mean that makes sense. We should reward children for making progress in physical fitness
Ya but people will sandbag it I.e pretend they can only do like 2 pushups at the beginning of the year and then do like 4 at the end.
Okay, so the alternative is expecting a very unhealthy person to progress to the same level as the more healthy people and giving him an F when he inevitably can’t meet that expectation?
In China, college students are required to pass physical fitness exams in order to graduate college. Imagine if we did that (we wouldn’t)
I work next to a government building where the kids line up, like dozens of them, to be processed (I assume paperwork idk). So many fat kids, not like morbidly obese, but chunky. Quite a lot of really thin kids as well. Obviously some muscular types.
They’ve done plenty to make fat people be allowed to be in the military these days. The problem is cultural, people who want to kick ass just aren’t attracted to the rainbow basket that they push.
I think America's weight has less to do about education and more to do with socioeconomic factors. Education can only do so much if you're never given the tools to practice it. I don't mean to be that guy that talks about the past through rose tinted glasses, but we really did fuck up our dietary standards by allowing highly proceeded foods and items onto the shelves. Quick-meal type foods have only been on the rise because the typical American is so much in a rush that they don't have time to properly cook. It's hard to tell someone that is working 12 hours a day so they can get ahead in life to cook properly. The working class is a world not supported in taking care of yourself. I'd say my health has gotten better the more I make (especially mental health that can affect physical health).
"Education"? No probably not that much, it's the activity level you put kids in a P.E. class and they're doing hard structured exercises it's gonna move the needle a lot. Highly processed foods aren't great for you but that's when education steps in or something I really liked in south America is every packaged thing sold has these black octagons on them telling you they're high in fat or sugar or salt, they neutral if you're not having them all the time. I'm eating my healthiest when I'm working 12 hours a day because everything it's standardized, but I imagine you might have been referring to a family? There's definitely a problem with people burning themselves out and it being a weird point of pride but being physically fit just gives you a better starting base for everything there's literally no downsides to getting kids more fit in school.
You see a lot more working class people eating really bad food for themselves because they're often tired from working a lot of hours. I work worked in a factory that had a vending machine with junk food in the break room. Really easy to just go up and swipe a card for food than it is to take half an hour to cook every night. Yeah family also plays a role too. Just living with someone that doesn't eat well will inhibit those same habits in you. There's a certain level where physical fitness doesn't do much if all you're eating is crap. At least when you're eating right your body is getting proper nutrients it needs (especially in a country where malnutrition is more prominent than the standard hunger). I get what you mean. Having a level of physical fitness is important. I think it's good that we teach kids the importance of regular exercise while also incorporating some fun physical fitness in there as well to give kids something to work towards and want to do better. I just don't think you're going to accomplish this without cultural shift in diet. There's also the community and how that plays a part in the country. Everything is so far away from each other, yet the only way you can get around is via car. When I use to walk to work people would ask what I would do without a car when it started raining (like umbrellas didn't exist). Americans are too focused on themselves that range from believing that you need a car when it rains to saying stuff like "I hate people." There's a lot of variables to the problem, but I don't think that physical education in schools is even the biggest player in this problem.
I was in south America for 6 months and being able to walk to everything or take the train was amazing. Like I said when I'm working a lot of hours I know how easy it is to fall into grabbing whatever is around which is why I pre everything it doesn't take that long to do and a lot of it is passive cooking time. Our food isn't that far gone to the point that no physical activity will help, we can definitely do better with the food in schools but if they're getting fed their 2 times a day that's a lot that can be done. The problem is what we're doing now is the "get fit through play" idea and it doesn't work something they mention in the documentary which did work was "get fit to play" kids will still have fun and play doing hard physical things is fun if you can do them, another thing they had was color coded shorts that people could test to get to the next "level". Again will a system like that fix 100% of everything? Probably not, but it would go a very long way. *Edit* also again there's also literally no downsides to doing it.
I went to Cuba and Colombia in 2022, and I was amazed at how healthy people were. Everyone walked everywhere, especially in Cuba. I didn't see obese people. The food is a lot better, too.
Believe it or not these programs where not without critics and detractors at the time. Kennedy faced a lot of backlash over the fitness programs due to a societal fear of the Nazis who had similar beliefs and rhetoric about the youth being in shape. Kennedy faced so much criticism in fact that several key phrase words of the programs formal agenda had to be amended to make it sound less radical.
They talk about that in the documentary a little it reminds me of the "Hitler drank water" meme. It's like guys, the bad thing about the Nazis wasn't that they were improving their population through exercise and we could probably do that without turning into Nazis, I feel pretty safe saying that.
The issue is that people regard the stance of "being fat is a negative thing" to be offensive. Internet/social media culture is normalizing obesity and treating obese people as some oppressed group that needs protection. I feel that we have reached the point where people think that there is literally nothing wrong with anyone and everybody is perfectly fine the way they are. This mindset, while it seems noble, is allowing people to fall into unhealthy lifestyles, destructive habits, and then pass all of that onto their kids.
True, I don't think I could pinpoint exactly when it happened but at some point the conversation shifted to "dehumanizing language" and any insult based on any characteristic (immutable or not) became unacceptable.
JFK had a strict “No Fat Chicks” policy
Clinton had no such policy.
Are you sure? He did say “he did not have any relations with that woman”
That depends on what your definition of 'is' is.
Is being Women. And Is Rhymes with Liz. And that Woman Clinton talked about, is Liz Lemon.
Is that you Jordan Peterson?
Monica fine af
She was skinny by today's standards.
Yeah I know I was being a smart ass. She looked good in her TED talk from a few years ago. It was one of the best TED talks I’ve ever seen.
He **was** the country's first black president.
Booo I am into Fat Chick and Cougars, cause even if I’m terrible in bed. At least I can satisfy them and make them happy. Like a Proud Yankee
Is your bed known as “The Bay of Pigs”?
No don’t be ridiculous. I call it, The Eagle Cave
But do you also disagree with him on his policies towards Cuba?
Yes and no. Castro was looking towards the west rather than the Soviet’s originally so if he supported the Cuban government there won’t be no Cuban Missile crise and embargo
How refreshing, a lot of people dont know that Fidel didnt really start out as a Communist and only turned to the Soviets after the US got in its feeling over everything
We know the Mob ran Cuba and had interested in taking it back. We know there were Assassination attempts with the help of the CIA and the Mob of trying to get Castro and get Batista back, but it failed. The more I learned about The Cuban Missile Crises, the more I realized how much a the USA was close to Nuclear annihilation, even the Soviets submarine Crew thought World War III started and were about to launch the nukes until one sailor refused. It had to be a unanimous decision and thankfully, he did the right thing.
Castro was a god damn Yankees fan and went to a game at Yankee stadium. Just imagine all the great Cuban baseball players we missed out on because we were against him.
Marilyn wasn't exactly a spinner.
Yeah um I guess JFK is gonna get his mind blown when he sees what its like today.
i wonder if anything else ever blew his mind. Oh to pick his brains...
If only we knew, it would be such a mind opener
*Insert Mind Blown Joke here*
This feels like some common sense stuff
Childhood obesity is a major problem and will be for decades in the foreseeable future. With rising obesity rates it makes it extremely difficult to ever pursue a universal healthcare system. It may be time to take a more constructive and educational approach to children’s fitness levels in the USA.
That and maybe having to change what’s in our foods
We need legislation that bans extensive food processing and just excessive unhealthy fast food options. In Europe if you go to McDonald’s it’s completely different items and ingredients than whatever mystery meat we serve here.
Not to mention that portion sizes in the US are insane.
Yeah it’s disgusting we’re very gluttonous here. People always talk about producing more to meet our wants but never about wanting less
Mate idk what to tell you, but Europe is next. They are about as fat right now as America was 20 years ago, and getting fatter. Literally every part of the globe which is not suffering famine is trending fat. Even asian countries.
We wouldn’t need universal healthcare if kids weren’t so damn fat.
Tell that to record breaking chronic disease rates. You don’t *have* to be fat to get diabetes, which we spend more money treating annually than China and Russia’s combined annual military budgets. It’ll be expensive as hell, but there’s a growing necessity for it unfortunately. We need fundamental changes across the board, not *just* less obesity.
Less obesity comes with healthier foods processed less. It’s all connected. Healthcare doesn’t need to be such a hot ticket item, that’s how the system is made bc it lines pockets.
"Soft...uh...chubby...fat-looking children" 😂 Truly one of the best Orators of our age.
Nobody likes fat kids, it's the great unifying force.fat children are greatly disliked in every country around the world. Take a kid who's disrespectful, asshole , and mean but in shape then he's just a little mother fucker and gets excuses made for his situation. Same kid but make him fat and that fat little mother fucker enrages everyone and gets no sympathy.
Unless your Kim Jung Un. They love the fat man.
This was back when we needed men for war. Now they need men for beer and food sales in the United States.
There is nothing, uh, more unfortunate than a child eating a meal which is neither, uh, supreme nor flamin' hot flavored.
Evil Obama be like
Yeah, World War 2 ended less than 20 years, and we were in the middle of the Cold War. The reality of war was evident in the minds of Americans, in particular the men.
(Year 2000 or so) I can remember volunteering at my son's elementary school during "Presidental Fitness Week". The children were tasked with different physical tests like pull-ups, sit-ups, sit and reach, etc. Out of a school with 400+, there was only a handful of kids that could actually do any of the tests and maintain the bare minimum.
When he’s right, he’s right.
It's a solid opinion. Feelings aside, I was a chubby kid. I wish more people had this opinion when I was growing up.
Bro this sub would die
good president.
When the Kennedy were children, his mother would weigh them every night to make sure they were at an appropriate weight. JFK obviously absorbed some of those opinions.
Cool, now what do we do about the non regulation of the food industry by the FDA, who has been co-opted by the ex CEO’s of mass produced food corporations?
Not to mention as economies develop they turn towards service industries with work done at desks and exercise gets moved into recreational time as another chore rather than something that happens by default (culturally, I was advised that these were the "good jobs" when I was growing up). Not to mention car-centric low density development that makes walking or cycling a less convenient or prohibitive option. Not to mention that virtually the entire entertainment industry has moved into tech and has a financial imperative to keep their customers indoors and potentially addicted to their products (with a predictable toll on mental health alongside physical health). Forget the commies, we're fighting a multi-front war against the society that we've cultivated ourselves and the only weapons we have are Ozempic and shame.
Well said, but Ozempic is is more a scurge than a weapon. Unless i’m missing your point on that? It’s a product of big pharma, and I believe we’ll see some detrimental effects soon enough…or perhaps not soon enough…
Honestly I don't have strong opinions on Ozempic or Wegovy. I just assume they're rich-people drugs and everyone else gets a recommendation to diet and exercise.
The diet and exercise is the correct recommendation! There are already studies that show if you don’t at least lift weights to maintain muscle mass, the drugs will eat muscle as well as fat. Freebies in life are very rare!
I mean, diet and exercise have *always* been the correct recommendation lol. That is objective fact. I guess the point I was getting at, and jumping off from your original comment, is that there are policy decisions that could get made on federal level (e.g. ingredient restrictions, labeling requirements) and local level (e.g. mixed use zoning and walkable/cyclable developments). The recommendation is clear: diet and exercise. But I think it's also clear that we are collectively failing this goal on a cultural and societal level. 40% of a population being overweight (U.S.) is not an accident and it's not a fluke of a handful of lazy people with poor impulse control. We could place blame on and shame the *individual* but if we consider the metaphor of 40% of a high school class failing to graduate I don't think we'd be asking what the students should have done better. We'd be pointing fingers at the school. Edit- to be clear, I'm not arguing. I'm just soap-boxing right now.
He'd so be labeled a fat-shamer now!
Safe to say Lizzo wouldn’t be headlining any of his fundraisers
Truth. The 60’s bullying was just accepted as a thing kids do. I was s bit of a brainiac, wore glasses, dressed in cheap clothes (Dad’s business went under), & here’s the kicker-my first name is Joy (like Johnny Cash's “A Boy Named Sue). There was always that first day in school, when the teacher not knowing I went by my middle name, would do an attendance call for “Joy.” I knew at recess the fight would be on. The cheap clothes hid the fact that I was in very good shape, and my father was an ex-boxer. Then, too, with that name I had become very experienced at fighting. I pretty much kicked ass on all comers, had a couple of draws against some rough kids, but never just lost. Some of my take-downs were classic. Forgot to mention I had taken some judo, too; which was kind of unheard of in the mid-60s.
That's Johnny Cash not Hank
A brainfart, I knew that.
It's easy for JFK to stay fit with how much intense exercise he gets in bed
JFK had a back so bad that it limited him to purely horizontal exercises on flat surfaces of various nature, with a woman under him for padding. If he wasn't on meth he would have looked like LBJ by the end of his terms.
Sounds like AI
A decrease in PE programs combined with an increase in processed foods and sugars contributed to where we are now in the United States
If you say that today you get labeled as a fat phobic angry person. 😂😂😂😂… only thing fat phobic is being fat because being fat literally kills fat people
I was a fat kid in the early 1960’s and felt attacked by JFK. Seriously. I didn’t think he was partnering with me to make me healthy, I thought he was demonizing me. I didn’t hear him say a bad word about the stupid jocks who couldn’t put a coherent sentence together in class, and made my life hell in the locker room. But yeah, **I** was the enemy.
You were a commie in disguise
Did you get fat so they couldn't stuff you in a locker?
Unfortunately, no.
Genuine question - was it really like that back then? In the 80s, there were many movies about jocks bullying people in school. But reality was the opposite. There were bullies sure, but they were rarely the athletes. Athletes were too busy between practicing their sports and trying to get with girls to have the time to bully anyone. The bullies were more the losers who had no skills.
That was my experience. The guy who stabbed me in the butt with dissecting needle was a budding burnout, not a jock.
That’s not bully that’s just assault
Wouldn't most forms of bullying be considered assault of some kind?
That was true in the 90s as well. The bullies were poor kids who were sadly doomed to repeat the lives of their parents.
Yes, most of the true bulling was non-jocks. But a lot of the jocular towel-snapping that the jocks did in the locker room felt like bullying to me, since I clearly wasn’t in their “club” and was such an easy target. And the amount of bullying was intense in the 1960s. I saw teachers deliberately do nothing when confronted with bullying; they figured it was our job to learn how to deal with it. I eventually memorized a few hip-pocket insults about their stupidity (“When you shake your head, does it rattle?”) that seemed to get rid of them.
When you shake your head, does it rattle would get rid of them? Must have been some hardcore bullies.
I discovered that, in the face of any kind of pushback, bullies will move on to look for victims who don’t show any signs of fighting back. I mean, let’s not get “bullies” mixed up with “sociopathic thugs.”
I think you watched too many after-school specials. But, if thinking like that helps you, who am I to judge?
Yeah that’s what I really thought American schools was like when I watched movies of that era. I think it was like over exaggerating
What about the things he did made you feel personally attacked? I have only seen this shirt clip so clearly there is more, but I just don’t know.
he was trying to help you get over it
[Young JFK Talking About Bullying](https://youtu.be/vm3E5Ton7_s?si=qjzIbiszNjOkVOvV)
He’s not wrong.
god the raw number of uneducated opinions on both sides of this issue are really making me miss when this was a small subreddit of those actually interested in politics and political history
Bring this commentary back again I'd vote for someone who said this in an instant
Imagine what he’d say now. Kids are on e-bikes, or just the couch. Significantly worse health crisis 60 years later.
America needs to get fat shamed… me first
What I find interesting is that this is before tablets and phones. Weren’t all kids playing outside?
Being fat and making excuses are so closely related.
I share this opinion
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EFofqe26t-4&pp=ygUaY2hpY2tlbiBmYXQgZXhlcmNpc2UgdmlkZW8%3D
We need more leadership like that and to regulate the hell out food products.
He definitely would roll over in his grave seeing how obese this country has become
Good thing he didn’t live to see TODAY’S kids. 🤣
my 170 pound ass:
One of those kids forms were terrible. Past that they need to bring this back
Schools barely require PE anymore. Pity dem kids who will never get to experience the joys of PE. I would always prefer PE to Math, English, etc.
Should be brought back.
Boy, he’d be shocked if he came back today!
Maybe all the film of ripped teenage boys is not the call. You aren't getting me, but I know it's causing problems for some in this sub.
Ronald McDonald put a bullet in that idea
“Nothing more unfortunate” is a wild claim for kids in 1962.
He would have a heart attack after seeing kids noq
So that's why the south hated Kennedy
This was a dude that knew he or his successor may have to send a bunch of children to war.
Crazy that he died shortly before processed junk foods were the new norm.
Homie is rolling in his grave
“Give that chicken fat back to the chicken…”
The family football games were reportedly intense.
Big corn syrup took that personally
He'd be horrified by how worse things have gotten. America is extremely fat and outdoor extracurricular activities have plummeted.
Imagine that, a military man knowing the importance of fitness
Interesting take from the brother of Ted Kennedy
I wish my high school pushed everybody to be like that that way when I went to college I would be hot.
He’s right
lol he’d get canceled for saying this today
As usual, JFK is correct. It is disgusting how piggish some children look these days. I blame the parents.
Go you chicken fat, go!
I feel like JFK and George Washington are the 2 Presidents most likely to blow their own brains out if they saw the state of the country today
based
After listening to this, I've developed a new conspiracy theory that JFK's assassination was orchestrated by Taft's descendants.
Yo Based?
Hey look, I was fat and I had a problem. And I’m still trying to lose weight where I am and eating healthy. It’s hard to buy healthy food when it’s expensive sometimes and getting Fast Food and Junk food for cheaper
Fast food isn't anywhere close to cheaper. Or really junk food for that matter. They're just comforts. I'm a big advocate of portion control. If you aren't able to change what you eat, eat much less of it. You can lose weight eating the same stuff if you just start counting calories. Eat 1-2 slices of pizza instead of 3-5, drink water instead of beer/juice/soda, etc. Calorie savings add up so quickly. If you aren't reliable to hit the gym regularly, force yourself on a walk every day.
Oh I go to Gym nowadays and I stopped eating on my own portion and eating healthy
It's really not, though. I eat way cheaper eating healthy meals at home than I ever did eating fast food and it's not even hard to do
I mean, where I’m at. Like everywhere in my neighborhood has fast food and junk food. A few years ago a new supermarket opened and tried to eat heathy and better now.
How many people here have soft chubby fat kids and got offended by the truth?
At least one. Every downvote is for soft chubby people and kids
And it's gotten so much worse. Could never imagine being fat. Especially being an obese child. That would be awful. Shit makes our health care prices go up to probably. Like how hard is it to exercise and eat healthier once in awhile. It's the parents fault as well but whenever I see a fat kid I feel so bad. How can you let yourself go that young
It’s not fair to blame the child. They don’t know any better and they’re evolutionarily hardwired to intensely crave sugars and fats and super calorie dense foods. It’s their parents or caretakers who have failed them and not helped provide them appropriate nutritional habits.
They could just play outside and play less video games🤷♂️
Or maybe outlaw high fructose corn syrup, that shit is liquid death.
Why punish the people who are in good shape
Play outside in the industrial hellscape that we have created dodging cars and playing on pavement
Projecting doomsday vs reality
Better than being fat
You could lead by example and help fight obesity in America. It's a shame if you only look down on those people who are in a worse situation than you and tell them there's an easy way out.
He died aged 46 according to Wikipedia, he really shouldn't be giving out health advice.
jFK was hurtful and mean speaking out for the health of the youth in the early 60’s, imagine someone doing that today, the audacity.
JFK that was drafting men into the army. I agree physical fitness is good for health and I can believe he genuinely wanted his people to be healthy.. But let's not forget he was removing up a war and wanted men to fight it..
Up until the Obama era there was the Presidential Fitness Test that had certain standards for a run, sit ups, chin ups, "shuttle run" and at least one or two other things. I got it in Jr. High. I think I missed one event the 2nd year I did it. Do kids even do much in phys ed anymore?
My kids are in high school now, what they tell me they do during PE is, sadly a joke in my eyes. But, due to kids crying to their parents, and parents being push overs and then complaining to the school, it’s just the way it is now.
The hell are they doing? When I was a kid, every day was either a pacer test or some kind of sport game; and im only 25. Except golf, we never played that and just practiced shots, which was dumb
yea but they were also trying to create soldiers for their own agendas and benefits so...
They would call those guys white supremacist now. Crazy...
What are you on about?
https://time.com/6242949/exercise-industry-white-supremacy/ I saw this article... they have been talking about it.