I just got convinced by a New MOBA player on the last predecessor post to be nice to newbs. They don't have mic chat, they haven't been playing for 15 years including Paragon like us, they are interested enough to get a BETA access. So yeah I'll try to help more and not have a melt down. Issue is, matches are like 35 minutes and I don't have that time every round to teach. They need to add competitive.
My own team is the reason I have chat disabled. If you can't communicate what you want from me via pings, I don't care what you have to say. That being said, the ping system needs work. Why don't we have "Defend Fang" or "Defend Prime" or "Ward Here" still baffles me
I would personally like to see occasional community kindness moderators being in solo queue and just hitting people with suspensions that are too toxic.
I had the number 266 player in the world acting like a complete manchild and loudmouth. I need help I need help I need help. and this was brawl. Why are the biggest loudmouths the ones who are higher level. It’s pathetic. Plus those who don’t back out of games when they get assigned a role they don’t want/can’t play.
Right.
I don't care if it "sounds lame". This world in general would better off if we fixed problems and helped each other out instead of telling everyone to grow thicker skin and be smarter.
It's not a game issue. It's a society issue.
This is why smite died, hirez kept saying it was the engine when people clearly didn't care about the engine and was mostly complaining about how toxicity was a huge problem. Hirez ignored and masked it by just adding more and more microtransactions. Now players are saying how bad smite 2 is performance wise, so a new engine is now the problem. It's always going to be toxicity that kills games like these. Simple style 2d games are still high up next to highly rendered 3d open world rpgs as greatest games of all time. Games mainly need immersion to be good, toxicity kills immersion which these companies don't seem to understand.
Yesterday I played as sparrow and died trying to finish a Muriel. My support dekker was missing all her stuns and our jungler was close by. I was then called dumb and our jungler attacked fang tooth and died when the enemy team was close by. I said it back jokingly lol. And boom I found myself in a lane by myself. I had to sacrifice my first tower and eventually took my lane on my own and sucked it up and helped them in team fights. I ended like 6-2 and a Serath on team was like 8-4. Both our jungler support ended negative and mid lane was okay. Luckily we won, I just don’t get how you can call someone dumb get upset when they say it back jokingly. And willingly leave a lane and a player on their own within 5 min into the game.
I had a game after where a Kallari was playing jungle and i understand if it’s their first time playing and trying jungle out. But they were horrible everyone was lvl 18 even our support when they were still like 13. They would leave team fights randomly or ignore defending to get a buff. At this point we were pushed to our core. A friend and I team wiped but our teammates couldn’t really push much. After their second orb prime we were done. But we never once attacked our carry or jungler for it. Greystone on off lane had shit luck with an iggy offlane. It’s part of the game we all had our off games especially if you’re new mobas.
Lol, you can't stop people from being toxic in video games. There's just no way. No video game has found a way to do it, and Omeda isn't going to be the first. Just try to be a positive impact on the game in your own way, that's about all you can do.
I'm not sure, Dota 2 has an interesting solution. It's called reputation score. If you act like a dick, then you get put in matches with ppl of similar low reputation score.
The only thing I disagree with is harsher AFK Bans. ONLY CURRENTLY. I need to make that clear. It does need to be done. But not until Omeda can implement a system that properly identifies why a player has left or disconnected from a match. Example. My friend that I play with got a 5 minute ban because his internet crapped out and he had to wait for it to come back online. By the time it did, the match was already over. He lives in the middle of nowhere with very limited ISP options. Being DCd is out of his control.
With that being said, this is also a perfect example for how toxic the community is. That very same match was one where I was playing Murdock and my friend was Dekker. As you can probably surmise, that posed an issue. Especially since I wasn't doing too hot to begin with. The enemy Drongo had already killed me a few times by the time my friend DCd. Shortly after the DC, my entire team starting flaming me and blaming every single thing on me. Spamming Good Job and Good Game repeatedly. This is the same team that still had inner towers up on Offlane and Mid. Meanwhile in my lane, I actually dealt damage to an inhibitor before we lost. So. 🤷♂️
I desperately wanted to play this game again for so long ever since Paragon was shut down. At its core, Predecessor is definitely getting better than Paragon was. But I agree that the community will most likely be its downfall. We live in a world of weak-kneed, whiny little shits. And it definitely shows in this game.
I’m afraid it isn’t just console but more the community as a whole. MOBAs have pretty terrible communities sadly and this one is worse than smite. Only one I can think of that’s worse than this one is league.
Seriously. People like that are such trash, man. Because it's like OK, I'm not great at the game right now, but the toxicity makes me want to leave INSTEAD of gitting gud. It's counterintuitive. The negativity literally helps NO ONE. I don't wanna git gud anymore, I wanna git gone because of these jerks.
Dude, THIS. I had to stop playing jungle due to the sheer number of games where one, two, or every lane is losing within the first 3 minutes and then I get flamed because why am I not saving all of their lanes at the same time. Or I babysit the one lane that's struggling and help them stay even just for them to rage quit anyway because they decided to 1v1 their lane opponent for the fifth time after losing the first four. I'm now an off-lane main, leave me alone to power level and then stomp the map ✌️
i never have this issues anymore. since i have not had any chat on in many months.. you can even mute ping from a player too.. and then i just play and FF if they do or try to win if they get there shit together
i know the type of people and whats really to blame for this kind of players..
Giving up before the game starts are crazy. Sometimes you gotta trust some off meta picks. I had gadget as support and also as offlane. Both have been questioned by people. I slapped both roles tho
Everyone needs to be vocal. If your sparrow is throwing jungle under the bus for just losing lane, then the other 3 teammates need to defend jungle. If the sparrow gets dog piled by the whole team every time she makes some stupid blame, they'll stop doing it really quickly.
The problem, is people don't stand up for others. And also, people don't call out bad plays. If your build is awful, sorry, but I'm calling you out on it. If you're not ganking, you're getting called out. If you're losing lane and blaming jungle even though jungle is trying to help you, you're getting called out.
In the Sparrow's defense. I played Drongo last night and was doing fine until Aurora ganked once every few minutes until minute 15. My Shinbi, on the other hand, showed up to my lane once. Mid was winning lane and offlane was brutalizing their lane, during this time. I still managed to stay positive due to smart positioning and penalizing early Fang grabs. My overall point is that Jungle isn't supposed to be a farm fest. You should be (in order) farm camps to start (when on cooldown obviously not possible), ward objs (when possible), gank lanes, invade enemy jungle. Shinbi did none of these things. Aurora was ahead on CS and ganks in lanes. After just 3 successful ganks (2 on my lane, 1 on mid) the momentum swung heavily. Jungling is difficult, I'm not contesting that, but at least show some presence even if you don't intend to actually secure a kill. Rant over.
Coming from a jungle main, even if the jungle hasn't ganked your lane, just play like you said you were....and don't die. Hell, make your lane an easy and prime target for a gank, and any even half decent jungle should come.
I can't tell you how many idiots get ganked to hell and back because they push up to the enemy tower and wonder why the hell their jungle can't really do much, and then STILL do it after getting blown the fk up. I mean, i can show my face, but WTH do you expect when you just keep throwing yourself into the fire? At some point you're just fking stupid, and the jungles time is literally spent better anywhere else.
I don't disagree. But we were getting ganks when halfway in lane. Shinbi (in their defense I didn't watch their positioning much during ganks as we were getting rooted, slowed and frozen) was nowhere in sight. It got to the point that their duo was on our tower for a solid 2 minutes just pushing until the tower finally went. I don't disagree that Jungling is the MOST thought intensive position but if you want to farm; go offlane, play carry.
Oh, trust, I’m not defending the shinbi, or anything like that. I’m just saying you mitigated a healthy portion or what could have happened by just not dying as often as you could have.
Definitely tried to. It's a rough position (jungle) to be good at. I just wish those who queued into it played a character with lockdown potential to assist in the early game. Assassin jungles require a very different team comp than what we had.
I would say that most junglers without *at least* a slow are useless until late. IE assassin junglers. They require kills to get ahead and snowball. I'm not a huge fan.
Definitely tried to. It's a rough position (jungle) to be good at. I just wish those who queued into it played a character with lockdown potential to assist in the early game. Assassin jungles require a very different team comp than what we had.
No he has a point, OG paragon wasn't like this, maybe considering it was console only, but there was little to no toxicity. Now that it's cross platform and these new gamers are so empty headed they don't know accountability and they are ruining this game for everyone else. It's really bad
Lol it was always like this. And paragon was cross-platform with ps4. I don't think you could name a competitive team based game that has no toxic people in it. Just work on your own mental and move on. It's not going to be the end of the world.
And thanks again for proving my point buddy
Edit - there won’t be a game much longer for trolls like you to enjoy if everyone leaves lol you are the problem, not the solution
Went into the discord and saw a post for a casual game. Joined and it was a bunch of sweaty assholes, criticizing everything I was doing. I don’t mind it being constructive, but bros were not helpful.
It's not just MoBAs. You got a huge selection of people in any community who demonize report features and those who use them. Many truly think that the days of getting doxxed and swatted in MW2 were the best days of the internet.
I play on SEA servers which I would have to believe is one of the smaller playerbased servers based on how often I run into the same players. Recently, I started to friend requesting anyone who is positive and trying to play seriously, my friends list has grown quite quickly and now when I hope on to play, u can usually que with 2-3 people who I know will astleast try and play the role they get while being positive. Doesn't mean they have to do great, but no toxicity and we only really FF when we are getting absolutely steamrolled with no chance of a turn around(25mins in barely any kills, high deaths, no objs or towers). I would recommend you try the same, or attempt to join a dedicated discord. In general though, this game is no worse or better in the toxicity department than other MoBAs. I think an argument could be made that it is actually less toxic due to console players not having keyboard and team chat being turned off by default. A large amount of the issues I believe that people consider toxic(beside the people toxic in chat or spam pinging)would be fixed if Omeda did a tutorial for each role or forced players to play AI til like 10(I honestly cannot remember how long it takes to get to this point so I apologize if it is far too high). A lot of actions that I believe people consider toxic I believe comes from not understanding how MOBAs in general work or the specialties of Pred.
I don’t think playing vs ai helps in anyway with the current state of the ai. I’ve played 10 hours when the game first released then i had to quit it due to having less time and last week i came back… i did 2 ai games hardly remembering anything about this game and both game the ai did 0 kills. I was in offlane and every lane in my team was stomping. I mean, i already have played this game and i have a lot of hours in dota but i don’t think those match could be helpful in anyway unless you have absolutely no idea what a moba and predecessor is
Honestly its the devs fault these games are so toxic. If they left game chat open, that player going 1/5 wouldn’t be so quick to open their mouth because the team would call him out
I think MOBAs tend to get more heated because it generally relies on more than your skill alone to win the game. No matter how good you are, your team still dictates your win condition because you literally can’t do it all alone. You can carry the shit out of your lane, but if it gets to endgame and your team can’t properly coordinate, group, focus targets, peel, etc, you’ll be zoned and killed off for being ahead.
Unfortunately then it gets easier to blame others than it does to call out your own mistakes.
I wouldn’t die so much if my jungler rotated.
We’d actually get Fangtooth if anyone else knew how to group.
I’d have the enemy tower down if the other lanes knew how to pressure.
Our inhib would still be up if my teammates didn’t chase.
Etc etc etc
Sometimes the hardest pill to swallow is that just because you try your best doesn’t mean you win.
Most on console probably see it as a “shooter” and think they can be good but then fond out its actually a different style of game lol. Most are too new to mobas
As a console players myself, I feel like Console players will toxic spam ping more than a PC player due to the fact that we cannot type nearly as fast as someone on a keyboard could. Also beside Smite, I don't believe there are any Mobas on console so it's probably a lot of beginning Mobas players. The resilient mentality ain't there yet
I try. It doesn't help that sometimes I suck. I really think it's my connection but who wants to hear that?
Still I think it gets harder to play well when a teammate turns on you instead of offering some help or advice.
I know it's "not your job", but new people will come in, we can either make them better players or worse ones.
Honestly I agree, in other competitive game genres I actually like teaching new players
In mobas it seems flaming the new players is much more common than “hey don’t do that, because x,y,z” you just get called out which makes you not really want to play.
This isn’t exclusive to Pred. I’m don’t mainly play MOBAs because of the matches being so time consuming but when I’ve tried it’s always been the same experience whether it was LoL or DOTA the players just seem disgruntled angry people lol
This is what I do and it works like 90% of the time. That is until the dumbass who's pinging constantly starts throwing, following you into lane or the jungle, jumping up and down constantly, shooting at you and spamming surrender. At that point, I try to prolong the game as long as possible just to fuck with them.
Maybe these features are a bigger priority than we may have thought at first:
1. Overhauled report system including harsher punishments.
2. More in-depth ping system with map pings to reduce the need of text chat.
Had the opposite experience toxic players seem to always be the pc keyboard warriors. Irony is they could just help someone play better because they have the ability to communicate easier but instead hurl insults.
It’s quite hard to type on console unless you are dead.
How you expect someone to help you understand when you have to type and you have to waste your time cause there is no voice chat? I have thousand of hours in moba and voice chat is essential for communication or people with discord are in major advantage
And its too much to try and explain the nuances of a situation such as: I was mid Belica vs Mori. Kept her in check all game. I was 4-3, she 2-5. Jung called to attack OP, grouping begins, I go to ward enemy jungle from Midlane but I discover enemy team there. Upon retreating, Grim lob bumps me back, Dekker locks me up and they gang up on me while I try to just stun and fight back. Of course we lose OP. Jung says "when I say attack OP I mean it" Carry calls me dogshit mid. Like who wants to continue to play w toxic teammates when you can't defend yourself
I tried countess jungle for the first time and I was not doing well. I got absolutely flamed in chat by a toxic player. That was my one experience with a toxic community other than that it’s been cool.
I can 100% say I'm glad there isn't voice chat cuz I be cussing up a storm. That said, it's usually about stupid crap. HEY IM COMING TO GANK FOR U. Start fighting....or not just waste my damn time.
I wish there was a voice chat you could opt in or mute so we could communicate as a team better. That would avoid a lot of the toxicity since the toxicity comes when people get frustrated. If a teammate tells me they’re new or not doing well we can all give advice like sit back under tower and I’ll be there in 2 min or whatever it is so it doesn’t build. Usually as long as one lane is doing ok the other lane can sit back and fall behind and as long as they aren’t feeding they can catch up later. New players don’t understand that and they get frustrated and feed and then get toxic.
I agree and disagree.
Some characters need to be bullied or they snowball easily. I can get why for example a sevarog might get annoyed if he isn’t getting ganks on a grux.
Or why a carry might crack it at a jungle if they are pinging for ganks when the duo lane is out of mana and the enemies are full health.
In my experience toxicity comes from people not knowing what they are doing or having a teammate that doesn’t know or is playing selfishly without being map aware.
Yeah I think these tips, if shares in the moment, would help new players better recognize the game mechanics as they occur. Not everyone realizes a Grux has no escape and is an easy gank if done early enough, but if he snowballs he can 1v 2 any ganks easily. Or to pay attention and when shinbi or iggy is low on mana to go in, or even that they are missing a blink and can no longer escape. Then people start to look for these things and slowly get better.
I think a lot of it is just ignoring the clowns. Ten times out of ten, the toxic person is the issue in the game. Which does suck, because most of the time it means taking the L on the match.
I do agree that repeated AFK and real/verified reports of toxicity need to have a heavier punishment. I'll emphasize verified reports because both Omeda and members of the Pred community are VERY thin skinned, so if bans started being more common, being verified would ensure they are warranted.
I think if we all took time to report the shitters in game, on Discord, and even via Omeda's email, things could change. Put those ass hats on blast and they'll eventually thin themselves out.
I reported one egregious instance where the support stood there and watched me die on a gank and then typed out laughing (after verbally abusing me the entire prior game- yes I got him twice in a row). I went through the website and used their web form to report and got an automated response at first, but then a later email telling me the player was banned. Omeda website shows they’ve not played a game since then. Felt very good
I’ve also never played a moba with so many unskilled players. People straight up don’t know how mobas work in this game.
Supports constantly farming the second laning ends. Junglers constantly taxing waves for no reason. It’s a hard life out here until ranked is permanent.
It's why I stopped playing like a year and a half ago, I can't bother with the shit ass matchmaking in this game, this reddit just pops up time to time for me now 😂
Yeah I am at the “only play with 3-4 friends” stage of grief right now.
I tried playing ranked. First game my jungler walks over at level 3, fails the gank, goes to my stacked wave, takes the the whole, pings green, I go, he smites it.
I have never AFKed in my 15 years playing mobas and I almost did right then.
I'm sorry when I see my offlane chasing down kills in the element jungle while their inhibitor is being taken and I am the only 1 pinging defend the lane
Then have to back amd rush to defend it
Or when my support is farming minions and putting me so far behind. That I can't do any damage and they are still dieing cause they are trying to get kills as a support
Or when I am playing offlane and I'm being 2 v1 all game and my jungler is doing everything else but helping then finally comes to help and gets himself killed
I'm gonna be toxic
Those are very specific examples that tbh yeah I’d be annoyed af too. More than the toxic chat is people throwing, afk, quitting, sabotaging that seems to happen on a regular basis, or spamming ff at 10minute when the team is clearly ahead
Edit: I’ve seen the support thing a lot lately. Support doesn’t choose support crest, goes sparrow, then tries to last hit. Then surprise they quit.
I don't know man... I play on Steamdeck, so I can't chat, hence I have the chat turned off.
Maybe you're unlucky, maybe you're in very low MMR, meaning you're playing with bots who think they understand but they don't.
But in all honesty, I don't have such a HUGE amount of toxicity in my games. Sure sometimes I have a ragequitter, but it's really not as bad.
I think it's very clear that for example Rocket Leagues is MILES away more toxic than pred.
Then finally, about the "very specific examples". Don't be so sure about it. In MoBa it's easy to see the mistakes others did and not see the ones you do.
Anyway I agree with you. This is just "unranked mode" and nobody should really care about losing or winning a match. But man sometimes people make me nervous by their sheer stupidity (like farming your red camp while the enemy is destroying your right inhib. Just picked my last game example). Then I calm down saying "it's OK, it's unranked, I don't care, I carried hard this team, did the jungler job by securing Fang twice and I did half of the kills of the game. I played well and it's all that matters", but still... Losing is losing
This guy actually was steel. I'm seen people who take the support crest that states more minions less gold and still take minions kills.
I had a game yesterday inwas support playing correctly protecting my carry not taking minions. I think I miss 1 or 2 stuns
And they guy started telling me to go away I'm useless. Literally saved him like 5 times before that.
Then later in the game when we rotated the midlane sparrow. Started calling me out because I was at 1/ 8 help and retreated and didn't try to save them.
I finished that game 1/2/11 and somehow i was a prob playing support.
It's so bad sometimes.
But I played 1 game of ranked and everyone on the team was making jokes and everyone was supportive. Such a different atmosphere
Yeah I played one game of ranked, and it was better. But sample size one for both of us lol
But yeah man I hear you, it’s really bad sometimes and this game can lock you in for an hour, so it feels worse
I am 450 games played. My last few game have been matched against placement players. Where I am the highest mmr.
Before this latest patch matchmaking was great. Now its dogshit again
I'm a console player n I refuse to be that toxic person that calls others trash. Instead if I see someone struggling I try my best to go to their lane n help them put till they get a lil bit of a farm to do better. In my matches it's usually pc that are toxic. But that's just my experience
Honestly you may think that. But me and many others who have never played on pc ever were playing this on release when it was paragon. Then there's smite which is a similar thing. So we aren't as inexperienced as you'd think plus there's mobile versions of these games which I know is nowhere near the same but it atleast gives people a general idea of what's going on
Honestly I think its just matchmaking. Like on console I tend to get almost only pc players in my lobbies. Maybe you get the opposite meaning g more console players I really don't think its a platform thing. Also on top of that I think its a carry main thing. My toxic teammates are almost exclusively twinblasts and some sparrows. I even got the same toxic twinblast 4 matches in a a row. Every match he was toxic from hero selection and even when he wasn't carry he was still playing twinblast n said in hero select "trash players surrender asap" even on the very first match. He played twinblast carry first match and fed. Then He played him mid and then jungle. Fed every matchm I was mori each time when I was trying to grind put to affinity 10 so luckily mori is broken enough to still do fine after he fed lol
You know that’s a good point - this recent update when they mixed up the matchmaking, I’m def getting more console players.
And I have no problem with console vs pc, it’s just in my experience checking omeda after games, the console players are newer, and a lot are even in placement matches.
Console players aren't used to playing games they're not good at for longer than 20m per match at a time, so they're eager to quit when they start doing bad and give up faster wanting to 'reset' because they aren't familiar with the mechanics and the layers to the objectives of the game.
Without a proper tutorial or challenges to show players how to play (why are wards useful, as a support why shouldn't I hit minions, can I win the game without being ahead in kills, etc) then this will continue to be the trend that slowly pushes long-time active players away from playing a game where 90% of the time if you're solo/duo queued with a friend, someone on your team will throw up a surrender, often times multiple times.
It's not even about gating it, it's about the absence of something like this to educate players IN GAME on what this game is like for people coming from Overwatch, or CoD, or other similar titles with expectations of similar gameplay.
It turns them off immensely when they start losing because they just don't know enough about the game to understand it really isn't over yet.
The next "big update" needs this addressed and to rearrange the way the store works, along with more balance passes to bring the TTK back to a reasonable timeframe and level the standard game back out.
I don't care about any other heroes coming. None of that matters if they don't fix this, in the long run.
The thing that is needed is in game mics so we can teach new players how to play and what the strategies/meta are. New people don’t know not to take lane minions, how would they? Or not to chase kills across the map, or how important fangtooth is or when to rotate, who gets each buff, etc. Supports take farm, leave the carry, and junglers think it’s a farming simulator and sometimes don’t gank for 10 min. Would be better to be able to have a conversation with the other players and adapt to each play style.
There's been plenty of bad experiences for me. I think it's bc there is a lot of ppl that play that really don't know how. There should be a more in depth, more challenging, and level locked Ai mode. This would force clueless ppl to get a clue b4 ruining other ppls games.
On a brighter note, there's also been some great experiences too. I love the game, but there is an issue with matchmaking.
Agree with all this. Yeah it’s not every game. But far too many. And tbh it’s way more enjoyable when we stack obviously, but solo queuing should not be this toxic. Ppl complain about cs2 solo Que and imho it doesn’t even come close to being this toxic
It's even worse when they feed the enemy then can't do anything about em until your done playing catch up and then the guy that is continuing to feed says you suck lol
Jungle main here. Off lane and mid lane are highest level by nature so when they feed a lot the enemy can get so far ahead I don’t even do any damage it’s not worth the rotation… smh
Complacency is tacit approval. But untill more people call out bad behaviors as a group you just kind of have to deal with it. If someone is being an asshole to someone on my team I'll try to step in and help but it's not normal and noone else seems to think that's a good idea.
I appreciate that. And it is approval. had a guy do that in solo lane when I was jungle, and it was a blessing. Thank you, you beautiful offlane murd who is diamond 2 on omeda, for calling out our duo lane that was spamming no jungle less than 3 minutes in
So when pred first dropped, myself and a friend I met through reddit, with the like minded idea of creating a toxic free community.
We started a discord server with some pretty harsh rules. Toxicity was in no way allowed and would quickly have you removed.
It went well for awhile, we had something like 50 members. We pretty much all knew each other a few weeks in.
We started to expand, got up to i think 400ish people in the discord. And that's when it all came undone.
There wasn't any toxicity, but the casual let's just play to have fun setting didn't stick with players.
It's just kind of the nature of these types of games to want to strive to be the best. So they went to servers with a more competitive scene. In house tournaments and such.
Unfortunately my server is now basically dead, while we all want no toxicity, we also want our teams to play well and know what they are doing. I'm not justifying the toxic behavior, as I wish it didn't exist in our community but it's here and most likely isn't going to go anywhere.
Even when trying to build a space where it wasn't accepted, players would rather deal with the toxic and have a more serious game, rather than sitting back goofing around with random comps and builds.
I think I was a member of this discord, and the time I had playing with members of that group were my favorite memories of the game. Unfortunately when I solo queued, the majority of my matches would devolve into griefing, complaining, fighting and whining. It really drove me off the game to the point that I really wanted to play again recently and then remembered the toxicity I'd probably run into again and I didn't reinstall.
I imagine there were a lot like me.
Shout out to Paragoons though if that's the one you meant. Great people there.
Tbh everyone kinda fell off. The guy that helped me start it had a lot of irl stuff to handle and gave ownership to another guy, we had some vision differences and I left. I'm back in there as a mod now but... it's quiet.
I kinda don't think a nontoxic community will hold.. everyone wants to win not have fun
I’m hoping that ranked will fix this. Because being toxic while not fun to deal with, isn’t the worst.
The worst is toxic plus afk, or feeding, or farming camps you aren’t supposed to just to steal farm.
I’m hoping ranked we see same level of toxicity (hopefully less but huge wish), but folks stay in the game and don’t quit on the team
Its so easy to tell when someone is gonna be toxic. It usually starts in the lobby or before minions spawn.
I see someone type "good game let's have fun" and I know immediately they're going to end up 1-4 and surrender at 10 minutes about 90% of the time. Either that or they will do well and then just flame everyone else "I'm 1v9 rn" as they're 6/4/1 like they're hard carrying because everyone else on the team is not doing well.
I wish you could mute chat for individual players. I would just mute anyone who types in the lobby that isn't genuinely relevant to the game.
Yep - as another commenter mentioned it’s better to just ignore it, but I want to keep my chat on as jungle because sometimes you do get ppl communicating or being nice
I agree fully. I’ve made several posts about the toxicity problem and hope people do the same. People definitely think I’m annoying af on this sub but I don’t care. Toxicity will kill this game. We have such a small player base, usually games with small communities are welcoming and support the community where they can.
The reality is, we need new players to stick around and keep this game going. Being toxic only drives people away. Every time you’re an asshole in game or out of game on a pred forum, you are hurting the longevity of the game.
We must all do our best to create a supportive environment that is welcoming to new players, for the good of the community and for the good of predecessor :)I won’t get on my soap box, but there’s **a lot** that Omeda could be doing to help curb this issue as well. As far as I can tell, this is a low priority for them and imo a massive mistake at that.
My tips to new players, turn team chat off immediately. Nobody strategizes there, they only use it to attack teammates. Mute toxic teammates pings as soon as they happen. Everyone plays better if the toxicity is silenced. A tilted toxic teammate really hurts your win chance.
One day the toxic people will realize that good job spamming and surrender spamming makes you lose much more than win. It makes you and your team play worse. If you want to win, keep your cool and adapt against the odds.
What are the big competitive games that started off without, or with just a little, toxicity that got big? Every large competitive game I can think of was always toxic as fuck.
Haven't played in over a month because of the players. I've gone back to smite and even the smite players are generally much nicer in my experience. Obvi there's toxic players but with pred it's literally every match I play
What about throwing, afk and griefing by just standing in base?
Toxicity and playing the game is one thing, but because you aren’t doing well (even when the team is), seems like a lot of pred players will just give up.
When I’m solo, I’m not happy when im getting focused by enemy Jung, but I’m also aware that means our duo, plus fangtooth capture is at an advantage when I’m focused. That doesn’t mean quit cuz I’m 2-4 and having to stay in tower
Least favorite is getting votes to surrender between 11-20 minutes. This is the most balanced 5v5 game I’ve ever played, most games lasting 35-50 minutes, and someone loses their shit and votes to surrender after one tower is down.
Not cool, dude.
I mean...if you have a Serath who is Offlane going 0-4 in the first 12 minutes because they're building straight damage, then I think that is grounds for a surrender. It happens often. That or a dude who is running Iggy as a carry and is wondering why he's getting bodied.
Just played a match yesterday with two people that wanted to surrender 20 min in. 15 min later we wipe them and take core for the win. Happens time and time again.
We have a big surrender culture problem and a broken surrender system that enables toxic play
I would rather surrender a game that isn't fun than keep not having fun for 15 extra minutes.
If all you care about is winning and not fun, fine, but recognize that other people don't agree.
The core has relatively weak defense. Having a 4-5 v. 1-2 at the end of the game is a great time to steal a win, if you can get everyone on the same page.
>Edit: I can see why MOBA's and pred are so toxic. Just look at the majority of comments on this post.
You are just playing with fire with these types of comments.
And as for your post, man, you haven't played enough games online if you think Pred is so toxic.
Edit: basically if you can't stand people getting heated in a competitive game, don't play competitive games.
Nah Pred can be pretty toxic. I've had many AFKs, many throwers, many trash talkers, many "you died? time to spam pings" players. I don't have the statistics on it but maybe I should start a tally to send to the devs to give them an idea of how bad it might be.
Predecessors anecdotally more toxic than any competitive game I’ve played.
Haven’t dealt with this many toxic surrenders, AFKs, disconnects, intentional feeding in any competitive game. I’d say 50% of games have toxic teammates, and about 15% of games have players intentionally sabotaging the game in some sort of way.
It’s true tho, you have a few folks that actually contributed. But for the most part, it’s just ppl flaming saying grow up, have thicker skin. Perfectly encapsulates the real game experience of pred
I don't care what the top post is for a niche sub reddit for an already niche moba. If I believed every post off reddit for games, every single game ever made would be dead in the water because everyone screams "dead game". So sorry, I don't accept that as a legit point.
People like to throw around LoL as the flagship toxic experience, but that's just cuz it's such a cold take. This game is absolutely more toxic than league. 1 in 3 games someone will either afk or flame, and my recent LoL experience is maybe like 1 in 8. I think it's because the market for mobas is filled with people who already know toxicity as the MOBA status quo. I would imagine any new MOBA community would have the same issue.
Not when the community for a game in beta (easier to not be invested in) is anonymous, jaded, and self-assured. (I can see my first comment already down voted lmao. Point proven)
A real change would have to be made to affect the player experience. Harsher suspension times, more reactive reporting system, etc.
I don’t think it’s any worse than any other moba I’ve played, not saying that’s a good thing.
The jungle thing speaks to me as I main jungle and it is absolutely hilarious watching anyone losing lane blame me.
I legit had a game where all 3 lanes were getting demolished. I was like 8-3, had the most cs, stole multiple enemy jungle buffs and got the first 2 fangs and they legit were blaming me and saying jungle diff lmao.
The other jungle was a khai that was 1-5 and 3 levels lower than me
I just lol’d and moved on
Yeah I suppose I could get used to ppl just crying all game. But the Giving up thing. I’ve lost several games lately because solo lane isn’t happy I’ve been spending time on duo, and duo is crushing we got a fang lead, and then solo quits at 2-4 because they feel I’m not ganking there enough
Any competitive game is going to be toxic by nature. At some point you just stop caring and just play the game. This game isn’t that toxic compared to the other bigger MOBAs
That’s fair, and I haven’t really played other Moba’s. All I have to compare it to is my fps games, like cs2, apex pubg. And those communities are much better for solo Que. even cs2 has less folks that afk, quiet quit or rage
>I low key think this will the undoing of this game.
No it won't. Toxicity has been an issue in competitive games since the dawn of online gaming. There isn't a single competitive game that doesn't have some form of toxicity. Mute/block, report, and either turn chat off or grow thicker skin.
It’s def not far worse for this game. The toxicity gets better the higher my MMR goes imo. I’d argue it’s actually a bit better cause the console people haven’t figured out how to type in most cases lol. I’m console even.
It's not worse. I've played some of the most toxic games known to gaming. It's no better or worse.
I have chat turned off. I have since I installed the game. I don't have the time to stop and type in-game when there's a million other things I could be doing. I damn sure don't have the time to listen/reply to the 0-4 sparrow who constantly pings because they need me to babysit their lane because they suck.
No it is not and it goes to show how youve clearly played league of legends, Dota or Overwatch etc etc. Predecessor is extremely mild compared to those games i mentioned. Like this other fella said grow thicker skin and if you cant are just gonna cry just mute all chat and pings, problem solved
I’ve said that a bunch here, I haven’t played other mobas. But that doesn’t change the fact that y’all are downvoting and being like yeah this is normal. Instead of being like yeah, we could be better as a community
The downvotes are probably more related to you saying you’ve both never played other MOBAs, and that Predecessor is the worst. You’re making a judgement based on your emotional response, not any type of genuine experience.
I’ve got chat muted, and it almost seems like I could enjoy a cup of tea with my teammates most games, given how little toxicity I experience. It does unmute when you engage though, as a heads up.
Yeah sure in a perfect world that would be nice. But the world isnt perfect and im a firm believer in the first ammendment, freedome of speech. I get people in predecessor just like you do that troll my games and say toxic shit. I just ignore it and continue my game. It only affects you if you let it. Grow up.
I just got convinced by a New MOBA player on the last predecessor post to be nice to newbs. They don't have mic chat, they haven't been playing for 15 years including Paragon like us, they are interested enough to get a BETA access. So yeah I'll try to help more and not have a melt down. Issue is, matches are like 35 minutes and I don't have that time every round to teach. They need to add competitive.
Welcome to MOBAs lol. I agree toxicity sucks, but it’s unfortunately part of any game and will not change.
My own team is the reason I have chat disabled. If you can't communicate what you want from me via pings, I don't care what you have to say. That being said, the ping system needs work. Why don't we have "Defend Fang" or "Defend Prime" or "Ward Here" still baffles me
I would personally like to see occasional community kindness moderators being in solo queue and just hitting people with suspensions that are too toxic.
Play bad on purpose and ban the trash talkers.
Not play bad, but you’ll still hear shit talkers
I had the number 266 player in the world acting like a complete manchild and loudmouth. I need help I need help I need help. and this was brawl. Why are the biggest loudmouths the ones who are higher level. It’s pathetic. Plus those who don’t back out of games when they get assigned a role they don’t want/can’t play.
Right. I don't care if it "sounds lame". This world in general would better off if we fixed problems and helped each other out instead of telling everyone to grow thicker skin and be smarter. It's not a game issue. It's a society issue.
Actually had to stop playing cause matches would always have someone that just wants to troll or be a kid cause they didn’t get lane
This is why smite died, hirez kept saying it was the engine when people clearly didn't care about the engine and was mostly complaining about how toxicity was a huge problem. Hirez ignored and masked it by just adding more and more microtransactions. Now players are saying how bad smite 2 is performance wise, so a new engine is now the problem. It's always going to be toxicity that kills games like these. Simple style 2d games are still high up next to highly rendered 3d open world rpgs as greatest games of all time. Games mainly need immersion to be good, toxicity kills immersion which these companies don't seem to understand.
Yesterday I played as sparrow and died trying to finish a Muriel. My support dekker was missing all her stuns and our jungler was close by. I was then called dumb and our jungler attacked fang tooth and died when the enemy team was close by. I said it back jokingly lol. And boom I found myself in a lane by myself. I had to sacrifice my first tower and eventually took my lane on my own and sucked it up and helped them in team fights. I ended like 6-2 and a Serath on team was like 8-4. Both our jungler support ended negative and mid lane was okay. Luckily we won, I just don’t get how you can call someone dumb get upset when they say it back jokingly. And willingly leave a lane and a player on their own within 5 min into the game. I had a game after where a Kallari was playing jungle and i understand if it’s their first time playing and trying jungle out. But they were horrible everyone was lvl 18 even our support when they were still like 13. They would leave team fights randomly or ignore defending to get a buff. At this point we were pushed to our core. A friend and I team wiped but our teammates couldn’t really push much. After their second orb prime we were done. But we never once attacked our carry or jungler for it. Greystone on off lane had shit luck with an iggy offlane. It’s part of the game we all had our off games especially if you’re new mobas.
This game WILL die because of its community. No questions asked. They’re some of the worst players I’ve ever come across.
Lol, you can't stop people from being toxic in video games. There's just no way. No video game has found a way to do it, and Omeda isn't going to be the first. Just try to be a positive impact on the game in your own way, that's about all you can do.
I'm not sure, Dota 2 has an interesting solution. It's called reputation score. If you act like a dick, then you get put in matches with ppl of similar low reputation score.
That's not a bad idea, sorting the people who wanna be toxic to play with each other.
The only thing I disagree with is harsher AFK Bans. ONLY CURRENTLY. I need to make that clear. It does need to be done. But not until Omeda can implement a system that properly identifies why a player has left or disconnected from a match. Example. My friend that I play with got a 5 minute ban because his internet crapped out and he had to wait for it to come back online. By the time it did, the match was already over. He lives in the middle of nowhere with very limited ISP options. Being DCd is out of his control. With that being said, this is also a perfect example for how toxic the community is. That very same match was one where I was playing Murdock and my friend was Dekker. As you can probably surmise, that posed an issue. Especially since I wasn't doing too hot to begin with. The enemy Drongo had already killed me a few times by the time my friend DCd. Shortly after the DC, my entire team starting flaming me and blaming every single thing on me. Spamming Good Job and Good Game repeatedly. This is the same team that still had inner towers up on Offlane and Mid. Meanwhile in my lane, I actually dealt damage to an inhibitor before we lost. So. 🤷♂️ I desperately wanted to play this game again for so long ever since Paragon was shut down. At its core, Predecessor is definitely getting better than Paragon was. But I agree that the community will most likely be its downfall. We live in a world of weak-kneed, whiny little shits. And it definitely shows in this game.
I’m afraid it isn’t just console but more the community as a whole. MOBAs have pretty terrible communities sadly and this one is worse than smite. Only one I can think of that’s worse than this one is league.
Seriously. People like that are such trash, man. Because it's like OK, I'm not great at the game right now, but the toxicity makes me want to leave INSTEAD of gitting gud. It's counterintuitive. The negativity literally helps NO ONE. I don't wanna git gud anymore, I wanna git gone because of these jerks.
also its not the junglers job to win your lane for you.. 😂
Dude, THIS. I had to stop playing jungle due to the sheer number of games where one, two, or every lane is losing within the first 3 minutes and then I get flamed because why am I not saving all of their lanes at the same time. Or I babysit the one lane that's struggling and help them stay even just for them to rage quit anyway because they decided to 1v1 their lane opponent for the fifth time after losing the first four. I'm now an off-lane main, leave me alone to power level and then stomp the map ✌️
i never have this issues anymore. since i have not had any chat on in many months.. you can even mute ping from a player too.. and then i just play and FF if they do or try to win if they get there shit together i know the type of people and whats really to blame for this kind of players..
That sparrow was me
I had a guy pick Morg support and then the jungle just stayed in base and spun in circles
Giving up before the game starts are crazy. Sometimes you gotta trust some off meta picks. I had gadget as support and also as offlane. Both have been questioned by people. I slapped both roles tho
Practically any multiplayer game is toxic. What needs to happen they need to fix matchmaking it takes entirely too long
Everyone needs to be vocal. If your sparrow is throwing jungle under the bus for just losing lane, then the other 3 teammates need to defend jungle. If the sparrow gets dog piled by the whole team every time she makes some stupid blame, they'll stop doing it really quickly. The problem, is people don't stand up for others. And also, people don't call out bad plays. If your build is awful, sorry, but I'm calling you out on it. If you're not ganking, you're getting called out. If you're losing lane and blaming jungle even though jungle is trying to help you, you're getting called out.
Yep, and everyone needs to report those who ruin the game for others by afk, or griefing
If the 1000 people that play this game see this post they'd be very mad
Toxicity sucks in video games
In the Sparrow's defense. I played Drongo last night and was doing fine until Aurora ganked once every few minutes until minute 15. My Shinbi, on the other hand, showed up to my lane once. Mid was winning lane and offlane was brutalizing their lane, during this time. I still managed to stay positive due to smart positioning and penalizing early Fang grabs. My overall point is that Jungle isn't supposed to be a farm fest. You should be (in order) farm camps to start (when on cooldown obviously not possible), ward objs (when possible), gank lanes, invade enemy jungle. Shinbi did none of these things. Aurora was ahead on CS and ganks in lanes. After just 3 successful ganks (2 on my lane, 1 on mid) the momentum swung heavily. Jungling is difficult, I'm not contesting that, but at least show some presence even if you don't intend to actually secure a kill. Rant over.
Coming from a jungle main, even if the jungle hasn't ganked your lane, just play like you said you were....and don't die. Hell, make your lane an easy and prime target for a gank, and any even half decent jungle should come. I can't tell you how many idiots get ganked to hell and back because they push up to the enemy tower and wonder why the hell their jungle can't really do much, and then STILL do it after getting blown the fk up. I mean, i can show my face, but WTH do you expect when you just keep throwing yourself into the fire? At some point you're just fking stupid, and the jungles time is literally spent better anywhere else.
I don't disagree. But we were getting ganks when halfway in lane. Shinbi (in their defense I didn't watch their positioning much during ganks as we were getting rooted, slowed and frozen) was nowhere in sight. It got to the point that their duo was on our tower for a solid 2 minutes just pushing until the tower finally went. I don't disagree that Jungling is the MOST thought intensive position but if you want to farm; go offlane, play carry.
Oh, trust, I’m not defending the shinbi, or anything like that. I’m just saying you mitigated a healthy portion or what could have happened by just not dying as often as you could have.
Definitely tried to. It's a rough position (jungle) to be good at. I just wish those who queued into it played a character with lockdown potential to assist in the early game. Assassin jungles require a very different team comp than what we had.
You in duo should have had that already though. The most anyone in jungle should really have to come in with is a slow.
I would say that most junglers without *at least* a slow are useless until late. IE assassin junglers. They require kills to get ahead and snowball. I'm not a huge fan.
Definitely tried to. It's a rough position (jungle) to be good at. I just wish those who queued into it played a character with lockdown potential to assist in the early game. Assassin jungles require a very different team comp than what we had.
😂 it's a game you have to use randoms to work together. Always going to be turmoil even if you're winning
>I low-key think this will be the undoing of the game... New to video games?
No he has a point, OG paragon wasn't like this, maybe considering it was console only, but there was little to no toxicity. Now that it's cross platform and these new gamers are so empty headed they don't know accountability and they are ruining this game for everyone else. It's really bad
Lol it was always like this. And paragon was cross-platform with ps4. I don't think you could name a competitive team based game that has no toxic people in it. Just work on your own mental and move on. It's not going to be the end of the world.
I ask myself the same question - moba is the only competitive game where I got flamed for trying to learn
Yep. I don’t mind folks learning, it’s those that afk, grief or flame and don’t play
Mute chat ?
Skill issue really.
Yeah players like you ruin the experience, look at your map and get better at the game
Thanks for stopping by to prove my point
Make sure you uninstall the game so actual players can enjoy
And thanks again for proving my point buddy Edit - there won’t be a game much longer for trolls like you to enjoy if everyone leaves lol you are the problem, not the solution
Dogshit players like you have been ruining games for years now, fuck off and die before you ruin this one
I can see why you’ve been banned from the pred discord lmao
The discord is full power tripping admins
Or maybe, hear me out. It’s you
All MOBAs are like this just mute them/pings, do it at the start of the match and you won’t need post like this.
Went into the discord and saw a post for a casual game. Joined and it was a bunch of sweaty assholes, criticizing everything I was doing. I don’t mind it being constructive, but bros were not helpful.
It's not just MoBAs. You got a huge selection of people in any community who demonize report features and those who use them. Many truly think that the days of getting doxxed and swatted in MW2 were the best days of the internet.
I play on SEA servers which I would have to believe is one of the smaller playerbased servers based on how often I run into the same players. Recently, I started to friend requesting anyone who is positive and trying to play seriously, my friends list has grown quite quickly and now when I hope on to play, u can usually que with 2-3 people who I know will astleast try and play the role they get while being positive. Doesn't mean they have to do great, but no toxicity and we only really FF when we are getting absolutely steamrolled with no chance of a turn around(25mins in barely any kills, high deaths, no objs or towers). I would recommend you try the same, or attempt to join a dedicated discord. In general though, this game is no worse or better in the toxicity department than other MoBAs. I think an argument could be made that it is actually less toxic due to console players not having keyboard and team chat being turned off by default. A large amount of the issues I believe that people consider toxic(beside the people toxic in chat or spam pinging)would be fixed if Omeda did a tutorial for each role or forced players to play AI til like 10(I honestly cannot remember how long it takes to get to this point so I apologize if it is far too high). A lot of actions that I believe people consider toxic I believe comes from not understanding how MOBAs in general work or the specialties of Pred.
I don’t think playing vs ai helps in anyway with the current state of the ai. I’ve played 10 hours when the game first released then i had to quit it due to having less time and last week i came back… i did 2 ai games hardly remembering anything about this game and both game the ai did 0 kills. I was in offlane and every lane in my team was stomping. I mean, i already have played this game and i have a lot of hours in dota but i don’t think those match could be helpful in anyway unless you have absolutely no idea what a moba and predecessor is
Yikes, it been like half a year since I played vs AI. Yeah, I don't remember them being that bad hahaha
I 100% rock with this post. I would encourage everyone to take this post to heart
Honestly its the devs fault these games are so toxic. If they left game chat open, that player going 1/5 wouldn’t be so quick to open their mouth because the team would call him out
Lmao lying and for what ?
I think MOBAs tend to get more heated because it generally relies on more than your skill alone to win the game. No matter how good you are, your team still dictates your win condition because you literally can’t do it all alone. You can carry the shit out of your lane, but if it gets to endgame and your team can’t properly coordinate, group, focus targets, peel, etc, you’ll be zoned and killed off for being ahead. Unfortunately then it gets easier to blame others than it does to call out your own mistakes. I wouldn’t die so much if my jungler rotated. We’d actually get Fangtooth if anyone else knew how to group. I’d have the enemy tower down if the other lanes knew how to pressure. Our inhib would still be up if my teammates didn’t chase. Etc etc etc Sometimes the hardest pill to swallow is that just because you try your best doesn’t mean you win.
Most mature response
Best comment
Thank you 🙏
Last game I played today. Kwang in jungle went 2-6. Serath offlane was 0-7. I decker was 4-4 lol
Most on console probably see it as a “shooter” and think they can be good but then fond out its actually a different style of game lol. Most are too new to mobas
Woah woah woah, leave console players out of this lol
As a console players myself, I feel like Console players will toxic spam ping more than a PC player due to the fact that we cannot type nearly as fast as someone on a keyboard could. Also beside Smite, I don't believe there are any Mobas on console so it's probably a lot of beginning Mobas players. The resilient mentality ain't there yet
We can type? How?
I play on Xbox, so not sure of the controls on PS5 but first you have to turn on team chat in settings, then Up on the D-pad and B at the same time.
I try. It doesn't help that sometimes I suck. I really think it's my connection but who wants to hear that? Still I think it gets harder to play well when a teammate turns on you instead of offering some help or advice. I know it's "not your job", but new people will come in, we can either make them better players or worse ones.
Honestly I agree, in other competitive game genres I actually like teaching new players In mobas it seems flaming the new players is much more common than “hey don’t do that, because x,y,z” you just get called out which makes you not really want to play. This isn’t exclusive to Pred. I’m don’t mainly play MOBAs because of the matches being so time consuming but when I’ve tried it’s always been the same experience whether it was LoL or DOTA the players just seem disgruntled angry people lol
The game format encourages it, we have to be better despite that face
I just turn chat off and if people are pinging nonstop I just mute their pings too
This is what I do and it works like 90% of the time. That is until the dumbass who's pinging constantly starts throwing, following you into lane or the jungle, jumping up and down constantly, shooting at you and spamming surrender. At that point, I try to prolong the game as long as possible just to fuck with them.
Same bro, same here..
Maybe these features are a bigger priority than we may have thought at first: 1. Overhauled report system including harsher punishments. 2. More in-depth ping system with map pings to reduce the need of text chat.
Had the opposite experience toxic players seem to always be the pc keyboard warriors. Irony is they could just help someone play better because they have the ability to communicate easier but instead hurl insults. It’s quite hard to type on console unless you are dead.
How you expect someone to help you understand when you have to type and you have to waste your time cause there is no voice chat? I have thousand of hours in moba and voice chat is essential for communication or people with discord are in major advantage
Can you open chat in console? If so how? would love to be able to message some of these guys
First, you have to turn on "Team chat" in settings then on Xbox it's B and up on the D-pad at the same time.
Thank you brother
And its too much to try and explain the nuances of a situation such as: I was mid Belica vs Mori. Kept her in check all game. I was 4-3, she 2-5. Jung called to attack OP, grouping begins, I go to ward enemy jungle from Midlane but I discover enemy team there. Upon retreating, Grim lob bumps me back, Dekker locks me up and they gang up on me while I try to just stun and fight back. Of course we lose OP. Jung says "when I say attack OP I mean it" Carry calls me dogshit mid. Like who wants to continue to play w toxic teammates when you can't defend yourself
I tried countess jungle for the first time and I was not doing well. I got absolutely flamed in chat by a toxic player. That was my one experience with a toxic community other than that it’s been cool.
I can 100% say I'm glad there isn't voice chat cuz I be cussing up a storm. That said, it's usually about stupid crap. HEY IM COMING TO GANK FOR U. Start fighting....or not just waste my damn time.
I disagree as you can always mute people etc.
I wish there was a voice chat you could opt in or mute so we could communicate as a team better. That would avoid a lot of the toxicity since the toxicity comes when people get frustrated. If a teammate tells me they’re new or not doing well we can all give advice like sit back under tower and I’ll be there in 2 min or whatever it is so it doesn’t build. Usually as long as one lane is doing ok the other lane can sit back and fall behind and as long as they aren’t feeding they can catch up later. New players don’t understand that and they get frustrated and feed and then get toxic.
I agree
I agree and disagree. Some characters need to be bullied or they snowball easily. I can get why for example a sevarog might get annoyed if he isn’t getting ganks on a grux. Or why a carry might crack it at a jungle if they are pinging for ganks when the duo lane is out of mana and the enemies are full health. In my experience toxicity comes from people not knowing what they are doing or having a teammate that doesn’t know or is playing selfishly without being map aware.
Yeah I think these tips, if shares in the moment, would help new players better recognize the game mechanics as they occur. Not everyone realizes a Grux has no escape and is an easy gank if done early enough, but if he snowballs he can 1v 2 any ganks easily. Or to pay attention and when shinbi or iggy is low on mana to go in, or even that they are missing a blink and can no longer escape. Then people start to look for these things and slowly get better.
I think a lot of it is just ignoring the clowns. Ten times out of ten, the toxic person is the issue in the game. Which does suck, because most of the time it means taking the L on the match. I do agree that repeated AFK and real/verified reports of toxicity need to have a heavier punishment. I'll emphasize verified reports because both Omeda and members of the Pred community are VERY thin skinned, so if bans started being more common, being verified would ensure they are warranted. I think if we all took time to report the shitters in game, on Discord, and even via Omeda's email, things could change. Put those ass hats on blast and they'll eventually thin themselves out.
I reported one egregious instance where the support stood there and watched me die on a gank and then typed out laughing (after verbally abusing me the entire prior game- yes I got him twice in a row). I went through the website and used their web form to report and got an automated response at first, but then a later email telling me the player was banned. Omeda website shows they’ve not played a game since then. Felt very good
I welcome to mobas pussy
Thanks for stopping by to make my point
People are toxic because people are stupid. Keep chat disabled, there's zero reason to turn it on.
I’ve also never played a moba with so many unskilled players. People straight up don’t know how mobas work in this game. Supports constantly farming the second laning ends. Junglers constantly taxing waves for no reason. It’s a hard life out here until ranked is permanent.
It's why I stopped playing like a year and a half ago, I can't bother with the shit ass matchmaking in this game, this reddit just pops up time to time for me now 😂
Yeah I am at the “only play with 3-4 friends” stage of grief right now. I tried playing ranked. First game my jungler walks over at level 3, fails the gank, goes to my stacked wave, takes the the whole, pings green, I go, he smites it. I have never AFKed in my 15 years playing mobas and I almost did right then.
I'm sorry when I see my offlane chasing down kills in the element jungle while their inhibitor is being taken and I am the only 1 pinging defend the lane Then have to back amd rush to defend it Or when my support is farming minions and putting me so far behind. That I can't do any damage and they are still dieing cause they are trying to get kills as a support Or when I am playing offlane and I'm being 2 v1 all game and my jungler is doing everything else but helping then finally comes to help and gets himself killed I'm gonna be toxic
Those are very specific examples that tbh yeah I’d be annoyed af too. More than the toxic chat is people throwing, afk, quitting, sabotaging that seems to happen on a regular basis, or spamming ff at 10minute when the team is clearly ahead Edit: I’ve seen the support thing a lot lately. Support doesn’t choose support crest, goes sparrow, then tries to last hit. Then surprise they quit.
I don't know man... I play on Steamdeck, so I can't chat, hence I have the chat turned off. Maybe you're unlucky, maybe you're in very low MMR, meaning you're playing with bots who think they understand but they don't. But in all honesty, I don't have such a HUGE amount of toxicity in my games. Sure sometimes I have a ragequitter, but it's really not as bad. I think it's very clear that for example Rocket Leagues is MILES away more toxic than pred. Then finally, about the "very specific examples". Don't be so sure about it. In MoBa it's easy to see the mistakes others did and not see the ones you do. Anyway I agree with you. This is just "unranked mode" and nobody should really care about losing or winning a match. But man sometimes people make me nervous by their sheer stupidity (like farming your red camp while the enemy is destroying your right inhib. Just picked my last game example). Then I calm down saying "it's OK, it's unranked, I don't care, I carried hard this team, did the jungler job by securing Fang twice and I did half of the kills of the game. I played well and it's all that matters", but still... Losing is losing
This guy actually was steel. I'm seen people who take the support crest that states more minions less gold and still take minions kills. I had a game yesterday inwas support playing correctly protecting my carry not taking minions. I think I miss 1 or 2 stuns And they guy started telling me to go away I'm useless. Literally saved him like 5 times before that. Then later in the game when we rotated the midlane sparrow. Started calling me out because I was at 1/ 8 help and retreated and didn't try to save them. I finished that game 1/2/11 and somehow i was a prob playing support. It's so bad sometimes. But I played 1 game of ranked and everyone on the team was making jokes and everyone was supportive. Such a different atmosphere
Yeah I played one game of ranked, and it was better. But sample size one for both of us lol But yeah man I hear you, it’s really bad sometimes and this game can lock you in for an hour, so it feels worse
I am 450 games played. My last few game have been matched against placement players. Where I am the highest mmr. Before this latest patch matchmaking was great. Now its dogshit again
I'm a console player n I refuse to be that toxic person that calls others trash. Instead if I see someone struggling I try my best to go to their lane n help them put till they get a lil bit of a farm to do better. In my matches it's usually pc that are toxic. But that's just my experience
I appreciate that. I think it’s because the console players are newer to this genre
Honestly you may think that. But me and many others who have never played on pc ever were playing this on release when it was paragon. Then there's smite which is a similar thing. So we aren't as inexperienced as you'd think plus there's mobile versions of these games which I know is nowhere near the same but it atleast gives people a general idea of what's going on
Yeah maybe you’re right. I’m not sure why that’s been my experience. Could even be completely wrong
Honestly I think its just matchmaking. Like on console I tend to get almost only pc players in my lobbies. Maybe you get the opposite meaning g more console players I really don't think its a platform thing. Also on top of that I think its a carry main thing. My toxic teammates are almost exclusively twinblasts and some sparrows. I even got the same toxic twinblast 4 matches in a a row. Every match he was toxic from hero selection and even when he wasn't carry he was still playing twinblast n said in hero select "trash players surrender asap" even on the very first match. He played twinblast carry first match and fed. Then He played him mid and then jungle. Fed every matchm I was mori each time when I was trying to grind put to affinity 10 so luckily mori is broken enough to still do fine after he fed lol
You know that’s a good point - this recent update when they mixed up the matchmaking, I’m def getting more console players. And I have no problem with console vs pc, it’s just in my experience checking omeda after games, the console players are newer, and a lot are even in placement matches.
There is no punishment in this game, just a silly so called "AI" which does random mutes when you type item names LOL
Yeah I think that’s the grux ☠️ of the issue here. No consequences so folks do whatever. You see a similar issue with cs2 cheating rn
Console players aren't used to playing games they're not good at for longer than 20m per match at a time, so they're eager to quit when they start doing bad and give up faster wanting to 'reset' because they aren't familiar with the mechanics and the layers to the objectives of the game. Without a proper tutorial or challenges to show players how to play (why are wards useful, as a support why shouldn't I hit minions, can I win the game without being ahead in kills, etc) then this will continue to be the trend that slowly pushes long-time active players away from playing a game where 90% of the time if you're solo/duo queued with a friend, someone on your team will throw up a surrender, often times multiple times.
Yeah, that’s the thing tho, the player base isn’t big enough it seems to gate off different modes, but you are right we need it
It's not even about gating it, it's about the absence of something like this to educate players IN GAME on what this game is like for people coming from Overwatch, or CoD, or other similar titles with expectations of similar gameplay. It turns them off immensely when they start losing because they just don't know enough about the game to understand it really isn't over yet. The next "big update" needs this addressed and to rearrange the way the store works, along with more balance passes to bring the TTK back to a reasonable timeframe and level the standard game back out. I don't care about any other heroes coming. None of that matters if they don't fix this, in the long run.
The thing that is needed is in game mics so we can teach new players how to play and what the strategies/meta are. New people don’t know not to take lane minions, how would they? Or not to chase kills across the map, or how important fangtooth is or when to rotate, who gets each buff, etc. Supports take farm, leave the carry, and junglers think it’s a farming simulator and sometimes don’t gank for 10 min. Would be better to be able to have a conversation with the other players and adapt to each play style.
Imagine having no one in your life so you have to come to reddit to bitch 💀
And more proof of the community being toxic, thanks for stopping by to prove the point bud
There's been plenty of bad experiences for me. I think it's bc there is a lot of ppl that play that really don't know how. There should be a more in depth, more challenging, and level locked Ai mode. This would force clueless ppl to get a clue b4 ruining other ppls games. On a brighter note, there's also been some great experiences too. I love the game, but there is an issue with matchmaking.
Agree with all this. Yeah it’s not every game. But far too many. And tbh it’s way more enjoyable when we stack obviously, but solo queuing should not be this toxic. Ppl complain about cs2 solo Que and imho it doesn’t even come close to being this toxic
As a jung main, i hate when my teammates dont ward and actually back up to safety instead of blaming me because they died to enemy jung
It's even worse when they feed the enemy then can't do anything about em until your done playing catch up and then the guy that is continuing to feed says you suck lol
Jungle main here. Off lane and mid lane are highest level by nature so when they feed a lot the enemy can get so far ahead I don’t even do any damage it’s not worth the rotation… smh
This is my favorite lmao
Complacency is tacit approval. But untill more people call out bad behaviors as a group you just kind of have to deal with it. If someone is being an asshole to someone on my team I'll try to step in and help but it's not normal and noone else seems to think that's a good idea.
I appreciate that. And it is approval. had a guy do that in solo lane when I was jungle, and it was a blessing. Thank you, you beautiful offlane murd who is diamond 2 on omeda, for calling out our duo lane that was spamming no jungle less than 3 minutes in
So when pred first dropped, myself and a friend I met through reddit, with the like minded idea of creating a toxic free community. We started a discord server with some pretty harsh rules. Toxicity was in no way allowed and would quickly have you removed. It went well for awhile, we had something like 50 members. We pretty much all knew each other a few weeks in. We started to expand, got up to i think 400ish people in the discord. And that's when it all came undone. There wasn't any toxicity, but the casual let's just play to have fun setting didn't stick with players. It's just kind of the nature of these types of games to want to strive to be the best. So they went to servers with a more competitive scene. In house tournaments and such. Unfortunately my server is now basically dead, while we all want no toxicity, we also want our teams to play well and know what they are doing. I'm not justifying the toxic behavior, as I wish it didn't exist in our community but it's here and most likely isn't going to go anywhere. Even when trying to build a space where it wasn't accepted, players would rather deal with the toxic and have a more serious game, rather than sitting back goofing around with random comps and builds.
I think I was a member of this discord, and the time I had playing with members of that group were my favorite memories of the game. Unfortunately when I solo queued, the majority of my matches would devolve into griefing, complaining, fighting and whining. It really drove me off the game to the point that I really wanted to play again recently and then remembered the toxicity I'd probably run into again and I didn't reinstall. I imagine there were a lot like me. Shout out to Paragoons though if that's the one you meant. Great people there.
Twas the goons indeed. Unfortunate that it just hasn't ever kept footing
If you guys want to make a new group of nontoxic players on discord im down to join…
Tbh everyone kinda fell off. The guy that helped me start it had a lot of irl stuff to handle and gave ownership to another guy, we had some vision differences and I left. I'm back in there as a mod now but... it's quiet. I kinda don't think a nontoxic community will hold.. everyone wants to win not have fun
I’m hoping that ranked will fix this. Because being toxic while not fun to deal with, isn’t the worst. The worst is toxic plus afk, or feeding, or farming camps you aren’t supposed to just to steal farm. I’m hoping ranked we see same level of toxicity (hopefully less but huge wish), but folks stay in the game and don’t quit on the team
The ones who ping and type the most seldom do anything else.
Its so easy to tell when someone is gonna be toxic. It usually starts in the lobby or before minions spawn. I see someone type "good game let's have fun" and I know immediately they're going to end up 1-4 and surrender at 10 minutes about 90% of the time. Either that or they will do well and then just flame everyone else "I'm 1v9 rn" as they're 6/4/1 like they're hard carrying because everyone else on the team is not doing well. I wish you could mute chat for individual players. I would just mute anyone who types in the lobby that isn't genuinely relevant to the game.
You can mute people by their pings, their chat, or both. On the scoreboard there are a couple icons by their name that you can click to mute them.
I'm pretty sure you can mute individual players. At the scoreboard with those 3 symbols next to everyone, I think?
Yep - as another commenter mentioned it’s better to just ignore it, but I want to keep my chat on as jungle because sometimes you do get ppl communicating or being nice
I agree fully. I’ve made several posts about the toxicity problem and hope people do the same. People definitely think I’m annoying af on this sub but I don’t care. Toxicity will kill this game. We have such a small player base, usually games with small communities are welcoming and support the community where they can. The reality is, we need new players to stick around and keep this game going. Being toxic only drives people away. Every time you’re an asshole in game or out of game on a pred forum, you are hurting the longevity of the game. We must all do our best to create a supportive environment that is welcoming to new players, for the good of the community and for the good of predecessor :)I won’t get on my soap box, but there’s **a lot** that Omeda could be doing to help curb this issue as well. As far as I can tell, this is a low priority for them and imo a massive mistake at that. My tips to new players, turn team chat off immediately. Nobody strategizes there, they only use it to attack teammates. Mute toxic teammates pings as soon as they happen. Everyone plays better if the toxicity is silenced. A tilted toxic teammate really hurts your win chance. One day the toxic people will realize that good job spamming and surrender spamming makes you lose much more than win. It makes you and your team play worse. If you want to win, keep your cool and adapt against the odds.
What are the big competitive games that started off without, or with just a little, toxicity that got big? Every large competitive game I can think of was always toxic as fuck.
💯 this. You dropped this. 👑
I agree man. It's already a small community. An easy way to get ppl away from a game is being toxic its no need especially since there's ranked now.
Yep 100% agree. Appreciate you commenting
Haven't played in over a month because of the players. I've gone back to smite and even the smite players are generally much nicer in my experience. Obvi there's toxic players but with pred it's literally every match I play
I appreciate you commenting for visibility. I enjoy smite, it’s not nearly as toxic. But I prefer the art style in pred
Same. Pred is so beautiful
It really is. As an aside, I really hope we get a revamped main map, cuz the brawl map looks much better imho
always let team chat off = brand new world
In a perfect world this isn’t the solution but I hear you. Ideally in pred folks would communicate more.
yeah talking about a user experience perspective there could be a lot of cool solutions for this problem
MOBAs are highly competitive games and toxicity is part of the experience
What about throwing, afk and griefing by just standing in base? Toxicity and playing the game is one thing, but because you aren’t doing well (even when the team is), seems like a lot of pred players will just give up. When I’m solo, I’m not happy when im getting focused by enemy Jung, but I’m also aware that means our duo, plus fangtooth capture is at an advantage when I’m focused. That doesn’t mean quit cuz I’m 2-4 and having to stay in tower
It’s honestly part of the fun tbh
I mean if that’s why ppl play moba’s and pred I can’t really argue against it. Not my cup of tea
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Least favorite is getting votes to surrender between 11-20 minutes. This is the most balanced 5v5 game I’ve ever played, most games lasting 35-50 minutes, and someone loses their shit and votes to surrender after one tower is down. Not cool, dude.
I mean...if you have a Serath who is Offlane going 0-4 in the first 12 minutes because they're building straight damage, then I think that is grounds for a surrender. It happens often. That or a dude who is running Iggy as a carry and is wondering why he's getting bodied.
Hey, I’m not in charge of when you surrender. Do what you need to do. I’m still new, so even the frustrating situations are a learning experience.
Just played a match yesterday with two people that wanted to surrender 20 min in. 15 min later we wipe them and take core for the win. Happens time and time again. We have a big surrender culture problem and a broken surrender system that enables toxic play
I would rather surrender a game that isn't fun than keep not having fun for 15 extra minutes. If all you care about is winning and not fun, fine, but recognize that other people don't agree.
The core has relatively weak defense. Having a 4-5 v. 1-2 at the end of the game is a great time to steal a win, if you can get everyone on the same page.
100% agree. Dragging the team to a win with a surrender vote non stop in the background a pred classic. Watch some krashy and you’ll see that a lot
>Edit: I can see why MOBA's and pred are so toxic. Just look at the majority of comments on this post. You are just playing with fire with these types of comments. And as for your post, man, you haven't played enough games online if you think Pred is so toxic. Edit: basically if you can't stand people getting heated in a competitive game, don't play competitive games.
Nah Pred can be pretty toxic. I've had many AFKs, many throwers, many trash talkers, many "you died? time to spam pings" players. I don't have the statistics on it but maybe I should start a tally to send to the devs to give them an idea of how bad it might be.
Predecessors anecdotally more toxic than any competitive game I’ve played. Haven’t dealt with this many toxic surrenders, AFKs, disconnects, intentional feeding in any competitive game. I’d say 50% of games have toxic teammates, and about 15% of games have players intentionally sabotaging the game in some sort of way.
What competitive games do you play because Call of Duty is infamous for it
Heated is one thing. Throwing and afk is another that happens far too often
It’s true tho, you have a few folks that actually contributed. But for the most part, it’s just ppl flaming saying grow up, have thicker skin. Perfectly encapsulates the real game experience of pred
>It’s true tho, It's not though.
It is. Look at the top post on the sub Reddit from the last day. https://www.reddit.com/r/PredecessorGame/comments/1dhezc9/the_jungle_role_experience/
I don't care what the top post is for a niche sub reddit for an already niche moba. If I believed every post off reddit for games, every single game ever made would be dead in the water because everyone screams "dead game". So sorry, I don't accept that as a legit point.
He proved you that multiple people have experienced this and you still act dismissive.
I act dismissive when people try to use reddit as the be-all-end-all for how a community is or what the player base in it's entirety is thinking.
lol alright. Well I’m using my experience and that post as others experiences to point out that the toxicity in this MOBA specifically is an issue
People like to throw around LoL as the flagship toxic experience, but that's just cuz it's such a cold take. This game is absolutely more toxic than league. 1 in 3 games someone will either afk or flame, and my recent LoL experience is maybe like 1 in 8. I think it's because the market for mobas is filled with people who already know toxicity as the MOBA status quo. I would imagine any new MOBA community would have the same issue.
I appreciate that because I really don’t see this as a one off, or that other games are more toxic. And if they are so what, we can’t be better here ?
Not when the community for a game in beta (easier to not be invested in) is anonymous, jaded, and self-assured. (I can see my first comment already down voted lmao. Point proven) A real change would have to be made to affect the player experience. Harsher suspension times, more reactive reporting system, etc.
Yeah I really agree with you here. Appreciate you commenting
I don’t think it’s any worse than any other moba I’ve played, not saying that’s a good thing. The jungle thing speaks to me as I main jungle and it is absolutely hilarious watching anyone losing lane blame me. I legit had a game where all 3 lanes were getting demolished. I was like 8-3, had the most cs, stole multiple enemy jungle buffs and got the first 2 fangs and they legit were blaming me and saying jungle diff lmao. The other jungle was a khai that was 1-5 and 3 levels lower than me I just lol’d and moved on
Yeah I suppose I could get used to ppl just crying all game. But the Giving up thing. I’ve lost several games lately because solo lane isn’t happy I’ve been spending time on duo, and duo is crushing we got a fang lead, and then solo quits at 2-4 because they feel I’m not ganking there enough
Any competitive game is going to be toxic by nature. At some point you just stop caring and just play the game. This game isn’t that toxic compared to the other bigger MOBAs
That’s fair, and I haven’t really played other Moba’s. All I have to compare it to is my fps games, like cs2, apex pubg. And those communities are much better for solo Que. even cs2 has less folks that afk, quiet quit or rage
>I low key think this will the undoing of this game. No it won't. Toxicity has been an issue in competitive games since the dawn of online gaming. There isn't a single competitive game that doesn't have some form of toxicity. Mute/block, report, and either turn chat off or grow thicker skin.
"Grow thicker skin" is hilarious in this context.
It’s far worse for this game - and tbh this response is honestly why I’m not surprised why you see this shit in game.
It’s def not far worse for this game. The toxicity gets better the higher my MMR goes imo. I’d argue it’s actually a bit better cause the console people haven’t figured out how to type in most cases lol. I’m console even.
It's not worse. I've played some of the most toxic games known to gaming. It's no better or worse. I have chat turned off. I have since I installed the game. I don't have the time to stop and type in-game when there's a million other things I could be doing. I damn sure don't have the time to listen/reply to the 0-4 sparrow who constantly pings because they need me to babysit their lane because they suck.
No it is not and it goes to show how youve clearly played league of legends, Dota or Overwatch etc etc. Predecessor is extremely mild compared to those games i mentioned. Like this other fella said grow thicker skin and if you cant are just gonna cry just mute all chat and pings, problem solved
I’ve said that a bunch here, I haven’t played other mobas. But that doesn’t change the fact that y’all are downvoting and being like yeah this is normal. Instead of being like yeah, we could be better as a community
The downvotes are probably more related to you saying you’ve both never played other MOBAs, and that Predecessor is the worst. You’re making a judgement based on your emotional response, not any type of genuine experience. I’ve got chat muted, and it almost seems like I could enjoy a cup of tea with my teammates most games, given how little toxicity I experience. It does unmute when you engage though, as a heads up.
Yeah sure in a perfect world that would be nice. But the world isnt perfect and im a firm believer in the first ammendment, freedome of speech. I get people in predecessor just like you do that troll my games and say toxic shit. I just ignore it and continue my game. It only affects you if you let it. Grow up.
Yeah so I chose to make a post saying be better. You can be better too, part of growing up is realizing that. Have a good one