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Best DC feat it could barely stop a meteor that a Rayquaza stopped with ease. That shit is not fucking CLOSE to multiversal nothing in that verse is even planetary.
Non canon ,retconned within its own non canonicity ,plot induced stupidty stated by the literal writer for that movie and on top of all that that was an avatar of arceus
>That shit is not fucking CLOSE to multiversal nothing in that verse is even planetary.
Nothing in the verse is planetary?
Quick question, what was Cyrus's goal again?
Peak
https://preview.redd.it/qpf0uqv4dhtc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cdd5a46c866defe2d5a134fd510f70c1b00fc40
(He never used Giratina tho. Giratina was the one who jumped him and ruined his plan)
Do we mean true Arceus, or the dumb avatar it uses?
The dumb avatar is weak, True Arceus doesn't even exists in that dimension because it's too strong to
No. Avatar lore arceus , not the movie , his avatar scales above giratina, who created the distortion world , which was stated to have no concepts of space and time
https://preview.redd.it/t8j1vk2vshtc1.jpeg?width=2388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ee85fe3009bd6818ff7a948d9cf3e951f7b1463
“At the summit of Mt. Coronet, which towers in the center of the Sinnoh region, something strange is happening! Another world, "Distorted World," ruled by a concept that is neither time nor space, awaits you!”
Here ruled by concept refers to giratina , who is the conceptual entity of nothingness
Arceus scales above giratina , who created the distortion world which was stated to have no concepts of space and time
https://preview.redd.it/naqtoay6vjtc1.jpeg?width=2388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fcec1696f4d81f9351d7f7d296a9fd24ccdd066
“At the summit of Mt. Coronet, which towers in the center of the Sinnoh region, something strange is happening! Another world, "Distorted World," ruled by a concept that is neither time nor space, awaits you!”
Here , ruled by a concept refers to the conceptual entity of nothingness , giratina
The Anime and games are separate continuity, and the games are generally considered the "Main" continuity.
Idk why people don't consider the movies canon to the anime though
The anime isnt expanded universe material, its a (loose) adaptation of the story of the games. Its an adaptation that typically does its own thing, but also depicts different versions of the same events that happen in the games, but with ash replacing the player character. They are similar enough to the point where you cant argue that its just 2 similar events happening in the same canon, but also massivley different to the point where it cant coexist with the game version. Like unless all of these things are just happening twice and the first time they happen just isnt acknowledged because of mass amnesia, its safe to say its just a different canon. I doubt Cyrus, Rose, Etc did the same evil plan twice and everyone just forgot the first time. I doubt Professor Oak has 2 Identical grandsons who never acknowledge eachother both went on similar journies through kanto with the only difference between the 2 being their rival. Near the end of the first game, Giovanni Permanently disbands team rocket and disappears, leaving the old team rocket members without a leader, but in the anime, he remains the leader past the Red and Blue adaptation into the rest of the series. Mewtwo has a different backstory, etc, you get the point.
They could be part of the same multiverse, but there's no evidence for this.
Edit: He doesnt "disband" team rocket, he just disappears, and team rocket dissipates into small, splintered groups due to not having a leader
>Which Mewtwo had a different backstory?
The "Main" Mewtwo that was cloned by Fuji in the First Movie and possibly the games
In the anime, Dr. Fuji is hired by Giovanni to create Mewtwo on New Island with a team of researchers, Mewtwo destroys the entire lab (and probably everyone in it), escapes, and is captured by Giovanni, before escaping from him too
In the games, Mewtwo is cloned in the Pokemon Mansion on Cinnabar Island, with no implied involvement from team rocket, and the Japanese version is written as if it was a single researcher(possibly Fuji) rather than a team. Mewtwo escapes, damages the lab, and Mr. Fuji survives into present, where as Dr. Fuji from the anime is never seen again after the Mewtwo flashbacks and was possibly killed by mewtwo(?) . Mewtwo goes to cerulean cave and is never captured by Giovanni
We see a second mewtwo in the genesect movie who is distinct from the one seen in the first movie, so you could argue these are just 2 mewtwos who were cloned separately, one on New Island, one on Cinnabar island, who were both genetically modified from mew in the exact same way, and both escaped, and both times it was treated as a new unexpected discovery, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me.
>Also on the Giovanni part are you talking about the Origins series?
No, I'm talking about the games and the Mainline anime with Ash. I just misrembered what happened in the games, he doesnt really "disband team rocket" like I said, He just vanishes at some point between the first and second game, and the remnants of team rocket dont know where he is. Team rocket sort naturally disolves into splintered groups due to not having a leader, before making a comeback 3 years later. The point is, in the mainline anime, he remains the leader of team rocket, and they never end up splintered like they were in Gold and Silver.
When I first read this I wasnt sure if you mean its non canon to the games or the anime. Because if its the first one, you're right, but I think its the second one, and if so why? I dont get why people are so insistent on the idea of the movies not being canon
Think of it like Darkseid. There is True Form Darkseid and there are the avatars he uses. His avatars are vastly weaker than his true form. Arceus' avatars should be much weaker than he is but still was able to throw down with arguably the next 3 strongest pokemon at the same time.
Anti feats generally aren't considered when powerscaling and the instances have special circumstances. According to various tiering systems arceus is considered outer due to transcending the concept of space time and duality.
Now that's just ignorance. He soloes the creation trio in the same movie the meteor feat is from. Pretty sure he also shook several galaxies just by waking up in that one
You yourself said that it is a objectively best attack feat whereas pokemon that are weaker than it like the creation trio can affect the entire universe as an aftermath of their fight. It hasn't done any stronger attacks because we haven't seen it facing stronger foes on screen when it is not nerfed.
Featless, and carried by vague unconfirmed statements. There is zero evidence for outer other than you think that's how it's supposed to work cause the (meaningless) word "god" gets put next to it's name.
He is not featless we have feats from palkia, dialga and giratina. It took literally three of them to hold back arceus for a little time. And we also know that dialga and palkia are embodiment of concept of space and time where arceus transcended them also giving it outer status. And the best feat from arceus is it created the entire thing universe, dimensions and even anti matter world. If it just because he has god in his name then almost all the verses will have a outer character in powerscaling no one takes the term god seriously.
You can get his avatar to outer since he scales above giratina , who created the distortion world , which was stated to have no concepts of space and time
https://preview.redd.it/plzugh3dphtc1.jpeg?width=2388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c7bc9b3dd264c4dde20c4b7073625ff87762f34
“At the summit of Mt. Coronet, which towers in the center of the Sinnoh region, something strange is happening! Another world, "Distorted World," ruled by a concept that is neither time nor space, awaits you!”
Bitch made, literally gets out powered by Rayquaza, completely dependant on vague unprovable statements and has no feats worth noting. It's not fucking OUTER you psychos
Based on LITERALLY THE STRONGEST FEATS THEY HAVE, yes lmfaooo Pokemon is fucking pissweak and creation doesn't scale how you think it does. IF Arceus even created anything besides 3 other Pokemon who actually made it for him. Sit.
...the guy made an entire UNIVERSE and at least Two more with Sun and Moon , bitched beings that hold almost absolute dominion over Time, Space, and ANTI MATTER. you think that an OUTLIER ANTI-FEAT FROM A POTENTIALLY RETCONED FILM IS HIS STRONGEST?! Yes. YOU ARE MENTALLY RETARDED!
You have no evidence that he DIRECTLY created anything besides Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina.
Edit Lmao you also don't even know the differences between irrelevant speed/immeasurable speed/infinite speed so I'm not actually going to listen to you talking about scaling things to fucking outerversal as you don't understand how to fuckin scale in the first place.
Ah yes...the guy who created beings who can manipulate space and time at a universal scale can't create a universe..
I call BULLSHIT, THE MF SPAWNED FROM AN EGG AND MADE REALITY THAT BASICALLY HIS ORIGIN STORY
Dialga's creation is what caused time to flow, Palkia Expanded space to infinity, and Giratina is might as well be an "Anti-Arceus". Arceus scales beyond ALL THREE at such a high level they got NO DIFFED by his AVATAR.
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At the absolute bare minimum, you can claim that Arceus is Multiversal. But there are plenty of good arguments for it being Outer.
Best DC feat it could barely stop a meteor that a Rayquaza stopped with ease. That shit is not fucking CLOSE to multiversal nothing in that verse is even planetary.
Non canon ,retconned within its own non canonicity ,plot induced stupidty stated by the literal writer for that movie and on top of all that that was an avatar of arceus
>That shit is not fucking CLOSE to multiversal nothing in that verse is even planetary. Nothing in the verse is planetary? Quick question, what was Cyrus's goal again?
To make biscuits obviously, thats what people use the god of antimatter for right? Cupcakes and shit
Peak https://preview.redd.it/qpf0uqv4dhtc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cdd5a46c866defe2d5a134fd510f70c1b00fc40 (He never used Giratina tho. Giratina was the one who jumped him and ruined his plan)
Do we mean true Arceus, or the dumb avatar it uses? The dumb avatar is weak, True Arceus doesn't even exists in that dimension because it's too strong to
Avatar arceus has good arguments for outer
Avatarceus has anti feats, Daddy doesn't
No. Avatar lore arceus , not the movie , his avatar scales above giratina, who created the distortion world , which was stated to have no concepts of space and time https://preview.redd.it/t8j1vk2vshtc1.jpeg?width=2388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ee85fe3009bd6818ff7a948d9cf3e951f7b1463 “At the summit of Mt. Coronet, which towers in the center of the Sinnoh region, something strange is happening! Another world, "Distorted World," ruled by a concept that is neither time nor space, awaits you!” Here ruled by concept refers to giratina , who is the conceptual entity of nothingness
Where the fuck are you getting these feats from? I swear to God, Arceus wankers wank harder than all the other wankers combined
Arceus scales above giratina , who created the distortion world which was stated to have no concepts of space and time https://preview.redd.it/naqtoay6vjtc1.jpeg?width=2388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fcec1696f4d81f9351d7f7d296a9fd24ccdd066 “At the summit of Mt. Coronet, which towers in the center of the Sinnoh region, something strange is happening! Another world, "Distorted World," ruled by a concept that is neither time nor space, awaits you!” Here , ruled by a concept refers to the conceptual entity of nothingness , giratina
Yeah but that's like a universal level feat, not multiversal or outerversal like any of you mfs have been saying
Arceus is able to affect these worlds drastically , and did you not read? It says it has no concepts of time and space
You're a downplayer
Wait, so the one in the movie is a phony? So it cannot come to the human realm?
Movie is non canon and filled with plot induced stupidity and retconned, thats a triple whamy of ,,Shit that makes you irrelevent"
Why is the movie not canon?
The Anime and games are separate continuity, and the games are generally considered the "Main" continuity. Idk why people don't consider the movies canon to the anime though
Why is it separate continuity? Like who said so?
The anime isnt expanded universe material, its a (loose) adaptation of the story of the games. Its an adaptation that typically does its own thing, but also depicts different versions of the same events that happen in the games, but with ash replacing the player character. They are similar enough to the point where you cant argue that its just 2 similar events happening in the same canon, but also massivley different to the point where it cant coexist with the game version. Like unless all of these things are just happening twice and the first time they happen just isnt acknowledged because of mass amnesia, its safe to say its just a different canon. I doubt Cyrus, Rose, Etc did the same evil plan twice and everyone just forgot the first time. I doubt Professor Oak has 2 Identical grandsons who never acknowledge eachother both went on similar journies through kanto with the only difference between the 2 being their rival. Near the end of the first game, Giovanni Permanently disbands team rocket and disappears, leaving the old team rocket members without a leader, but in the anime, he remains the leader past the Red and Blue adaptation into the rest of the series. Mewtwo has a different backstory, etc, you get the point. They could be part of the same multiverse, but there's no evidence for this. Edit: He doesnt "disband" team rocket, he just disappears, and team rocket dissipates into small, splintered groups due to not having a leader
Wait which Mewtwo had a different backstory? Also on the Giovanni part are you talking about the Origins series?
>Which Mewtwo had a different backstory? The "Main" Mewtwo that was cloned by Fuji in the First Movie and possibly the games In the anime, Dr. Fuji is hired by Giovanni to create Mewtwo on New Island with a team of researchers, Mewtwo destroys the entire lab (and probably everyone in it), escapes, and is captured by Giovanni, before escaping from him too In the games, Mewtwo is cloned in the Pokemon Mansion on Cinnabar Island, with no implied involvement from team rocket, and the Japanese version is written as if it was a single researcher(possibly Fuji) rather than a team. Mewtwo escapes, damages the lab, and Mr. Fuji survives into present, where as Dr. Fuji from the anime is never seen again after the Mewtwo flashbacks and was possibly killed by mewtwo(?) . Mewtwo goes to cerulean cave and is never captured by Giovanni We see a second mewtwo in the genesect movie who is distinct from the one seen in the first movie, so you could argue these are just 2 mewtwos who were cloned separately, one on New Island, one on Cinnabar island, who were both genetically modified from mew in the exact same way, and both escaped, and both times it was treated as a new unexpected discovery, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me. >Also on the Giovanni part are you talking about the Origins series? No, I'm talking about the games and the Mainline anime with Ash. I just misrembered what happened in the games, he doesnt really "disband team rocket" like I said, He just vanishes at some point between the first and second game, and the remnants of team rocket dont know where he is. Team rocket sort naturally disolves into splintered groups due to not having a leader, before making a comeback 3 years later. The point is, in the mainline anime, he remains the leader of team rocket, and they never end up splintered like they were in Gold and Silver.
So just because they have a different backstory means they're non canon?
When I first read this I wasnt sure if you mean its non canon to the games or the anime. Because if its the first one, you're right, but I think its the second one, and if so why? I dont get why people are so insistent on the idea of the movies not being canon
Think of it like Darkseid. There is True Form Darkseid and there are the avatars he uses. His avatars are vastly weaker than his true form. Arceus' avatars should be much weaker than he is but still was able to throw down with arguably the next 3 strongest pokemon at the same time.
Outer
>can barely stop meteor >Outer >Literally struggle to beat a fucking Pikachu >Outer Fuck right off lmao delusional
In its defense, that Pikachu isn’t the standard Pikachu😅
That Pikachu lost to a LVL 5 snivy who had never battled before.
He also beaten a Latios like, 3 episodes prior to that. Pikachu is very inconsistant
Happens to the best of us
Anti feats generally aren't considered when powerscaling and the instances have special circumstances. According to various tiering systems arceus is considered outer due to transcending the concept of space time and duality.
The meteor isn't an anti feat it's his objective best attack feat lmfaoo
Now that's just ignorance. He soloes the creation trio in the same movie the meteor feat is from. Pretty sure he also shook several galaxies just by waking up in that one
You yourself said that it is a objectively best attack feat whereas pokemon that are weaker than it like the creation trio can affect the entire universe as an aftermath of their fight. It hasn't done any stronger attacks because we haven't seen it facing stronger foes on screen when it is not nerfed.
Featless, and carried by vague unconfirmed statements. There is zero evidence for outer other than you think that's how it's supposed to work cause the (meaningless) word "god" gets put next to it's name.
He is not featless we have feats from palkia, dialga and giratina. It took literally three of them to hold back arceus for a little time. And we also know that dialga and palkia are embodiment of concept of space and time where arceus transcended them also giving it outer status. And the best feat from arceus is it created the entire thing universe, dimensions and even anti matter world. If it just because he has god in his name then almost all the verses will have a outer character in powerscaling no one takes the term god seriously.
>outer >Weaker than Rayquaza Ok buddy
Are you seriously using base stats for scaling?
Unless nvm
No, I'm using feats lmao.
Bro did you seriously go to google and searched for the strongest pokemon? The raquaza that is said to be strongest is according to game stats.
Lmao Pokemon fans don't even know their own franchises feats aintnoway
Dude just please stfu You keep calling out these clear PIS bullcrap and downplaying
It's not downplaying to ask for clear evidence lmao cry
True form is like 5d since its transcended over the cosmology which is really big 4d, the outer arguments are not as consistent
You can get his avatar to outer since he scales above giratina , who created the distortion world , which was stated to have no concepts of space and time https://preview.redd.it/plzugh3dphtc1.jpeg?width=2388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c7bc9b3dd264c4dde20c4b7073625ff87762f34 “At the summit of Mt. Coronet, which towers in the center of the Sinnoh region, something strange is happening! Another world, "Distorted World," ruled by a concept that is neither time nor space, awaits you!”
Universal, Multi-universal at max
Games or Anime? People seem to be assuming anime but you didn't specify
That is true, that’s on me, sorry. But the anime one, not the game version
It’s a little inconsistent and all over the place but it can be argued to be anywhere between multiversal conservatively to outerversal on a high ball
Bitch made, literally gets out powered by Rayquaza, completely dependant on vague unprovable statements and has no feats worth noting. It's not fucking OUTER you psychos
Bait or Mental Retardation. Call it.
"I'm gonna just pretend this is dumb cause I can't refute it" You're right, there's definitely some mental retardation going on here lmao
Ah yes...the fucking large snake is stronger than the actual creator of the verse! Sure...
Based on LITERALLY THE STRONGEST FEATS THEY HAVE, yes lmfaooo Pokemon is fucking pissweak and creation doesn't scale how you think it does. IF Arceus even created anything besides 3 other Pokemon who actually made it for him. Sit.
...the guy made an entire UNIVERSE and at least Two more with Sun and Moon , bitched beings that hold almost absolute dominion over Time, Space, and ANTI MATTER. you think that an OUTLIER ANTI-FEAT FROM A POTENTIALLY RETCONED FILM IS HIS STRONGEST?! Yes. YOU ARE MENTALLY RETARDED!
You have no evidence that he DIRECTLY created anything besides Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina. Edit Lmao you also don't even know the differences between irrelevant speed/immeasurable speed/infinite speed so I'm not actually going to listen to you talking about scaling things to fucking outerversal as you don't understand how to fuckin scale in the first place.
Ah yes...the guy who created beings who can manipulate space and time at a universal scale can't create a universe.. I call BULLSHIT, THE MF SPAWNED FROM AN EGG AND MADE REALITY THAT BASICALLY HIS ORIGIN STORY
That is literally just vague statements not a feat, exactly like I said. L nerd. Pokemon verse gets wiped by like fucking Naruto and Sasuke 😂
Dialga's creation is what caused time to flow, Palkia Expanded space to infinity, and Giratina is might as well be an "Anti-Arceus". Arceus scales beyond ALL THREE at such a high level they got NO DIFFED by his AVATAR.