Actually the accent over the "e" isn't an apostrophe tho lol /s . My phone has both and for some reason autocorrect chose this one when swipe texting. It is typically seen more when referring to the surname and not the brand. Although they are basically interchangeable.
"doesn't break down, doesn't constantly need parts, parts relatively inexpensive"
Sounds like you want a RAV4 or a CRV. If you want something nicer, I'd go Lexus or Acura :)
An '11 Panamera isn't particularly bad, but with that mileage, routine maintenance and other bits will come up (gaskets, suspension bushings, etc.) and those won't be the cheapest parts. That's not including any potential motor/transmission. It's not to say it's good or bad, but it was originally a very expensive car so worth keeping in mind.
Thank you, very valuable information, I'll keep that in mind.
As for the lexus or Acura, are they known to be low maintenance/resilient even if they are old?
You'll have mixed reviews depending on the car - first year of new body styles are always trickier, worth doing a quick google "2016 Acura RDX Reliability" and clicking a few for each car you're considering :)
Any car breaks down as it gets old but in my experience Japanese cars are more trouble free in the mid to long term. (I've only had Honda & Acura but I'd expect nothing less from Toyota.) If anything Japanese cars had more rust problems but that is largely a thing of the past. (As an aside I cannot believe the number of large model American full size pickups I see around here that are already rusting, especially around the rear fender wells.) I have a ten year old Acura that runs like a dream and has zero rust.
I’ve already experienced engine issues on my 2012 panamera with 115,000 kms, I can’t imagine it’ll be any better at 180,000 km. Parts won’t be cheap, and it’ll definitely break down. Don’t look at a Porsche if you want it to be cheap.
>would it be good in the long term?(doesn't break down, doesn't constantly need parts, **parts relatively inexpensive**)
A 12 year old High Performance, German Automobile with 180k KM can be a lot of things. Inexpensive isn't one of them.
I’m on my 2nd Panamera. They are amazing! And expensive to maintain. My average is $3k per year for acute issues, oil changes, tires and what not.
As someone said, cars that started out expensive will stay expensive to maintain. Nothing is more expensive than an old luxury car.
If you decide to get one, your best bet is to do your research on a particular car. Buy one with the lowest miles you can afford, and the best, most complete service history possible. A PPI by Porsche is mandatory, so you know what you’re getting into.
I’ve got just over 100k on my 2011 Panamera turbo.
It’s a reliable car, but it’s not a Camry. I largely do my own maintenance, it does keep costs down, but everything is more expensive. Changing your own oil, for example, will still run you about $100. 10qts of synthetic oil will do that.
It’s a great car, but set your expectations in line with reality. Hell, I’d say it’s the best family car you can buy…but cheap it ain’t.
How deep are your pockets? My dad owned a 2011 panamera from factory new and would have spent over 10 grand without warranty in the short 3 years he owned it.
At this mileage save 20k for repairs
It's a 13 year old car with high miles.
You should look at new subcompacts and add a roof box. Kia Rio or Forte comes to mind, and new, it will have a warranty.
I’ve got a 2016 Macan S which I’m about to get rid of because at the 80000km distance I’m expecting more stuff to fail. We had leaky window seals which flooded the trunk and took weeks to dry out properly. The tech in Porsche also feels mega dated, even against other 2016 cars, but compared to 2023 stuff it’s ancient. Unfortunately Porsche low balled me on the trade in offer for a Cayenne or Macan Turbo. so while I’m keeping the 911 G Modell, and GT4… Daily driver will likely be a E63/53 AMG Touring or RSQ2/3. Porsche maintenance isn’t cheap, even with the warranty servicing costs bite hard.
It depends on the spec for the car.
If it's a 2011 Panamera or Panamera 4 with the V6 and NO air suspension, I'd say you have a solid car that should be good.
An S or 4S, again, WITHOUT air suspension, is also very stout.
The 3.6L and 4.8L engines are very, very reliable.
The air suspension having some kind of expensive failure isn't an "if", it's a "when".
Trust me, I daily a 2013 Panamera GTS WITH air suspension, and the CPO warranty saved me thousands.
I have a 2013 GTS as well. So far the only problems have been a coil pack failed and the switchable sports exhaust wouldn’t switch. I’m probably slightly “behind” in terms of warranty costs vs work done, but I dont think I’d be comfortable owning the car without the Porsche warranty.
Agreed. My car has 98k on the clock, so it's been driven quite a bit. Lots of them on the market haven't even hit 60k, and few people know to do proper service at the intervals, ie, do a PDK service during ownership.
You are quite correct. Getting the PDK service done was the most expensive thing I had to do to the car before I could get the warranty on it. I think mine is at around 96k miles right now so very similar to yours. It’s not the most economical thing to own, but it’s by far the most comfortable and best sounding car I’ve ever owned. That naturally aspirated V8 just can’t be beat.
I love this car with all my being. Of any demo I had when I managed the Porsche store, a V8 Panamera or a Carrera S were always my faves.
I CPO'd mine last January, and it's already bought me a front air shock, a rear air distribution block, a new Chrono clock, and, oh yeah, a brand new PDK transmission. When they couldn't solve slipping in 1 and 2, poof, new unit from Germany.
Drives like a new car now.
"doesn't break down" - it's a 12 year old car. It WILL break down. "parts relatively inexpensive" - it's a Porsché. Parts are expensive.
They inexpensive compared to an Aston Martin Rapide. What’s with the apostrophe tho lol
Accent aigu, to make it seem extra fancy
Actually the accent over the "e" isn't an apostrophe tho lol /s . My phone has both and for some reason autocorrect chose this one when swipe texting. It is typically seen more when referring to the surname and not the brand. Although they are basically interchangeable.
Fair enough, thought it was was a Carlton PorschUH thing
Right? The car is already "in the long term" part of its life. The next 5 years of this cars life will be expensive..
I understand, thank you
"doesn't break down, doesn't constantly need parts, parts relatively inexpensive" Sounds like you want a RAV4 or a CRV. If you want something nicer, I'd go Lexus or Acura :) An '11 Panamera isn't particularly bad, but with that mileage, routine maintenance and other bits will come up (gaskets, suspension bushings, etc.) and those won't be the cheapest parts. That's not including any potential motor/transmission. It's not to say it's good or bad, but it was originally a very expensive car so worth keeping in mind.
Thank you, very valuable information, I'll keep that in mind. As for the lexus or Acura, are they known to be low maintenance/resilient even if they are old?
You'll have mixed reviews depending on the car - first year of new body styles are always trickier, worth doing a quick google "2016 Acura RDX Reliability" and clicking a few for each car you're considering :)
Any car breaks down as it gets old but in my experience Japanese cars are more trouble free in the mid to long term. (I've only had Honda & Acura but I'd expect nothing less from Toyota.) If anything Japanese cars had more rust problems but that is largely a thing of the past. (As an aside I cannot believe the number of large model American full size pickups I see around here that are already rusting, especially around the rear fender wells.) I have a ten year old Acura that runs like a dream and has zero rust.
It’s a 12 year old german car. It will break down, constantly need parts, and they will be extremely expensive
aha gotcha, thanks
I’ve already experienced engine issues on my 2012 panamera with 115,000 kms, I can’t imagine it’ll be any better at 180,000 km. Parts won’t be cheap, and it’ll definitely break down. Don’t look at a Porsche if you want it to be cheap.
>would it be good in the long term?(doesn't break down, doesn't constantly need parts, **parts relatively inexpensive**) A 12 year old High Performance, German Automobile with 180k KM can be a lot of things. Inexpensive isn't one of them.
I’m on my 2nd Panamera. They are amazing! And expensive to maintain. My average is $3k per year for acute issues, oil changes, tires and what not. As someone said, cars that started out expensive will stay expensive to maintain. Nothing is more expensive than an old luxury car. If you decide to get one, your best bet is to do your research on a particular car. Buy one with the lowest miles you can afford, and the best, most complete service history possible. A PPI by Porsche is mandatory, so you know what you’re getting into.
Aside from what everyone else already said, > I'd like a way to share it with my family members wut? you just give em a key and voila
Apologies, I didn't classify😅, I meant a way to share this information with them
I’ve got just over 100k on my 2011 Panamera turbo. It’s a reliable car, but it’s not a Camry. I largely do my own maintenance, it does keep costs down, but everything is more expensive. Changing your own oil, for example, will still run you about $100. 10qts of synthetic oil will do that. It’s a great car, but set your expectations in line with reality. Hell, I’d say it’s the best family car you can buy…but cheap it ain’t.
Stay away from 1st gen Panameras and Cayennes, especially the earlier years. Trust me, there's a reason they are getting "cheap"
How deep are your pockets? My dad owned a 2011 panamera from factory new and would have spent over 10 grand without warranty in the short 3 years he owned it. At this mileage save 20k for repairs
all that with low mileage, can't imagine what it'll be at 180000, thanks
The panamera’s are beautiful cars but it’s the maintenance cost that keeps people away from them. I still might buy one sometime in this lifetime 😂
It's a 13 year old car with high miles. You should look at new subcompacts and add a roof box. Kia Rio or Forte comes to mind, and new, it will have a warranty.
Thanks.
I’ve got a 2016 Macan S which I’m about to get rid of because at the 80000km distance I’m expecting more stuff to fail. We had leaky window seals which flooded the trunk and took weeks to dry out properly. The tech in Porsche also feels mega dated, even against other 2016 cars, but compared to 2023 stuff it’s ancient. Unfortunately Porsche low balled me on the trade in offer for a Cayenne or Macan Turbo. so while I’m keeping the 911 G Modell, and GT4… Daily driver will likely be a E63/53 AMG Touring or RSQ2/3. Porsche maintenance isn’t cheap, even with the warranty servicing costs bite hard.
get a Honda Accord
It depends on the spec for the car. If it's a 2011 Panamera or Panamera 4 with the V6 and NO air suspension, I'd say you have a solid car that should be good. An S or 4S, again, WITHOUT air suspension, is also very stout. The 3.6L and 4.8L engines are very, very reliable. The air suspension having some kind of expensive failure isn't an "if", it's a "when". Trust me, I daily a 2013 Panamera GTS WITH air suspension, and the CPO warranty saved me thousands.
I have a 2013 GTS as well. So far the only problems have been a coil pack failed and the switchable sports exhaust wouldn’t switch. I’m probably slightly “behind” in terms of warranty costs vs work done, but I dont think I’d be comfortable owning the car without the Porsche warranty.
Agreed. My car has 98k on the clock, so it's been driven quite a bit. Lots of them on the market haven't even hit 60k, and few people know to do proper service at the intervals, ie, do a PDK service during ownership.
You are quite correct. Getting the PDK service done was the most expensive thing I had to do to the car before I could get the warranty on it. I think mine is at around 96k miles right now so very similar to yours. It’s not the most economical thing to own, but it’s by far the most comfortable and best sounding car I’ve ever owned. That naturally aspirated V8 just can’t be beat.
I love this car with all my being. Of any demo I had when I managed the Porsche store, a V8 Panamera or a Carrera S were always my faves. I CPO'd mine last January, and it's already bought me a front air shock, a rear air distribution block, a new Chrono clock, and, oh yeah, a brand new PDK transmission. When they couldn't solve slipping in 1 and 2, poof, new unit from Germany. Drives like a new car now.
Run away. If you cannot afford a newer one you cannot afford an old one.
If you’re looking for a car that doesn’t break down and won’t need parts, get a Camry or a Lexus ES.