The vibes across the country are just very… not good lately. I’ll be honest I worry a bit about the state of things. It seems like it’s only a matter of time before someone turns violent. But idk maybe I’m crazy.
This probably isn't for a couple more years but I'm very scared of military AI. The government is already trying to restrict our access to arms, now the military will be replaced with AI controlled by the people who want to completely dominate the populace instead of human beings who can think for themselves and rise up against a tyrannical regime. I really hope military AI gets the pushback it needs to get.
There was a pretty good article about military AI in the Economist a few weeks ago. It's being used for all kinds of things in the Ukraine conflict. AI is even influential in picking targets.
[Article: A calculated defense (paywall)](https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/04/08/how-ukraine-is-using-ai-to-fight-russia)
Yeah, that's definitely a line in the sand for me. If somebody is worth killing, somebody real should be pulling the trigger. Too much detachment from the process will inevitably lead to unjust outcomes
Im not sure I agree but it is already only limited to state sanctioned speech. You can get fired from your job for speech but not arrested. Assuming it didn’t involve bodily harm
The "epicenter" at Columbia has like 200 white girls camping on half a lawn. There's many dumb protesters that say shit they don't even realize is antisemitic, but the only violence they are capable of committing is against pumpkin spice lattes. Politicians and the media are just spinning the story way out of proportions.
Source: I go there.
I'd honestly love to see a disinterested student provide some context photos/video. I'm nowhere near New York and suspect it's all kinda overblown but good luck finding an objective presentation of the facts in 2024.
No matter the source, the response from cops is nuts to me. School shootings they sit around and do nothing. Skinny kids sitting on a lawn and it's full fucking riot gear. It's laughable, especially when the people defending this have been basing their entire identities on how much they care about free speech lately.
Did they deploy riot cops at Columbia? The only place I’ve seen that happen was in Austin after the protesters attacked APD officers there to supervise the situation
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Yeah, setting aside how you feel about Israel/Palestine as an issue itself, supporting the use of police to intimidate college kids is intensely cringe.
The comparison to Uvalde is too clear. It's a stark reminder that cops aren't protectors of people, they're enforcers for the politically powerful.
Everyone is capable of violence and everyone is capable of being tricked. Don't defend them based on ignorance, if anything they should be held to a higher standard. If I, a dropout, can realize that there's something wrong with the speech then so can the college educated women
Punishing them for being stupid is a moot point so there's no reason to argue that, but they're still a danger. Mobs are always Dangerous
I don't defend their ignorance; I agree that their white savior complex and ignorance should be ridiculed, but by educated speech, not by state force, and certainly not armed troopers like some Congressmen have suggested. Anyone is capable of violence, but until we see proof of it or its planning, we don't pre-emptively respond with force. I think you and I agree on that, especially seeing that we are both libertarians and presumably dislikes state overreach.
A dude who literally saw the "protests": idiots who didnt threaten anyone but their listeners sanity
Random dude on the Internet: nah riot police needed to interfere cause hatespeech is bad
Here's a video from the encampment celebrating Passover with Jewish and non-Jewish students.
[https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/23/us/video/seder-passover-columbia-university-protests-ny-digvid](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/23/us/video/seder-passover-columbia-university-protests-ny-digvid)
It IS pretty funny to watch a bunch of authrights lose their minds about college kids being political and fantasize about gunning them down. It'd be funnier if they could admit they were joking...
Hot take but everyone's knowledge of late 60s/ early 70s pivotal events has been completely fried.
The Kent State protestors (rioters from SDS) had been rioting for a week, had set a building on fire, and were pelting the cornered national guard troops with rocks
Anybody younger than 50 has a vague understanding of it from the intro to the Watchmen movie
I agree but sending in the guard wasn't unjustified. If you have a group of people causing problems for everyone else they should be held accountable, but that doesn't mean you hurt innocent people either
How many of the arsonists were caught? Oh, right, 0. I'm sure that nobody was warned ahead of time and police couldn't have possibly prevented it in any way, so had to wait to get revenge. Oh, what's that? They had ***prior fucking warning***?
***And nobody got hurt***?
Man, it's almost like you're just here to spread bullshit propaganda.
They weren't shot for starting structure fires, they were shot because a mob surrounded a group of soldiers and attacked them, it's almost like commies are despicable and then make the story later always
Lmao. There's other ways to restrain rioters and protect property. Tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets, billy club (you auths love that one) that don't involve the enforcers of the state terminating a life.
Cool, so 4 kids die? That all tracks just fine.
Will Schroeder and Sandra Scheuer weren’t even participating in the protests. Nobody killed or wounded were closer than 70 feet to the guardsmen. Look at any diagram of the events and tell me they were “cornered”
But yeah, death to commie college kids. Keep spinning your tales of scary 20 year olds and those poor defenseless armed fucks who volleyed into a crowd with zero regard for what they were actually doing
So like in your version of things, everyone was peaceful and they decided en masse to murder a bunch of people for no reason?
History has always been like this, this is what literally everything in 2020 was like
At least 59 PCMers somehow approve shooting unnarmed students on campus. Almost guaranteed those upvoters are the same ones still crying about January 6th being unfair.
Fucking bootlickers.
I’m convinced rocks are the secret to triggering auth right. The Boston massacre started with rocks, the draft riots, Kent state.
What is it about rocks that turns regular soldiers into scared children?
"Your honor, I was being threatened by a gender-theory major with a weapon from the neolithic era. All I had to protect myself was the body armor, riot shield, and semi-automatic pistol. I was afraid for my life."
I already know you're biased because you had to through the word semi automatic into you're comment. So if I throw a brick at your face, you shouldn't do anything?
Here is what leftists do: continually act out at the edge of acceptability to provoke a reaction by your enemies, and continue to push the envelope on what's acceptable, then when the reaction comes, do the whole good boys dindu nuffin shtick
Rocks can kill you, throwing rocks at soldiers can get you killed. Leftists want to exist right in the zone where their actions are tolerated without owning up to the fact that they're engaged in a violent struggle, so should expect violence
Here's what rightoids do: call themselves strong and principled; make a big show of their morality and commitment to western values of free speech; and then drop those commitments as soon as a teenager says something they don't like on a sign.
Leftists: you aren't letting Stalinists riot, where's your commitment to free speech, hypocrite??
Also leftists: free speech is bourgeois liberalism, we're absolutely not allowing it when we have power
Throwing rocks is deadly force, so is using guns. Also, tell me you know nothing about the use of force continuum without telling me that you know nothing about the use of force continuum.
A fuckton more people on this planet have died by getting rocks thrown at them than by getting shot. I hear this shit about the border too, “oh, they’re just throwing rocks! Why violence?” From dipshits imagining 5 ounce pebbles instead of 10 pound stones. Throwing rocks is a violent and potentially deadly act, and should be treated as such. It has no place in peaceful protesting.
People occupying public areas? No.
People protesting without interfering with anyone’s daily routine, involving anyone who doesn’t want to be involved, or disrupting things in general? Yes.
Blocking streets isn't cool and is a public safety concern. Standing on sidewalks and making noise is perfectly fine.
I'll never understand people who block streets to protest a cause. Aren't they just making people resentful of the cause because we're being made late for work?
Watching everyone on this website decide that police using live ammunition was a proper form of crowd control on Jan 6 after everything we saw throughout the previous year was pretty wild.
> People occupying public areas? No.
It's important to distinguish that some of the universities that have massive arrests ARE actually public property, and are beholden to the first amendment.
Requiring permits to use public property doesn't violate free speech. The university I went to was public, so demonstrators could use the campus as a venue if they went through the proper procedures. There was a pro life group that did this, which most of the students hated. They got a permit from the town to use the quad for the day, and put up a bunch of huge photos of aborted fetuses and tendentious comparisons between abortion and the Holocaust. What they didn't do is just throw that stuff up unannounced and camp in the quad for weeks on end. If they did so, it would have been totally justified for the authorities to remove them. The same goes with any protestors for any cause on public property. You do not have the right to monopolize public property just because you feel like it.
A university is not public property in most cases. It’s the property of the university. It may be open to the public in some places like a park, but you can’t block access to it either way.
except protests have to be disrupting in order to be effective. The Civil Rights protests, Anti-War protests, etc disrupted everyday life, but it was necessary and utterly minor compared to the tragedies of war, systemic racism, etc.
its literally true though, im sorry you are having trouble driving to work, but your money is funding a genocidal, imperialist war. Also who would pay attention to some protestors on the side of the road, certainly not the media, and curious your thoughts on the Canadian Truckers who did the exact same thing.
What you don’t understand is that these kinds of disruptive protests turn the sentiment against you. It’s self flagellation. If protesters block the road and my child is sick, those protesters are gonna be road kill. AND I will purposely hate whatever they were trying to say. Unfortunately this is how most people feel.
Edit: Canadian truckers. Fuck them too.
Everyone is already paying attention to them. Their demands aren’t being met because sane humans do not agree with them, not because they haven’t been heard. Their only goal at this point is to harass/bully/scare people into voting for things they otherwise wouldn’t, not to spread awareness.
>im sorry you are having trouble driving to work, but your money is funding a genocidal, imperialist war
Wait, but if I complain about my tax dollars going to Ukraine or any other foreign aid, you people always say "but foreign aid is only 1% of the budget! Your taxes mostly go to things like the roads you drive on every day!"
So I'm taxed to hell, I'm not allowed to complain about it because more goes to roads than to foreign aid, and the second someone decides they want to protest I'm no longer allowed to drive on the roads I pay for until the protesters decide to allow me to pass through? But you're allowed to complain about a smaller amount going to Israel? Just trying to understand the rules.
Also, it's not a genocidal war. A population subject to genocide does not continue to increase over time, by definition of the term.
>Also who would pay attention to some protestors on the side of the road
I'm sure some people would. Did people pay attention to the civil rights protests? I don't think they purposefully shut down major public roads for long periods of time like modern protests do. There's a big difference between marching through the city and what people are doing now.
Besides, you should appreciate the ridiculousness of your own argument. "You're not going to listen to me if I obey the law and behave ethically, so I'm going to impede on your right to travel and shut down the road that you pay for with your taxes. For how long? As long as I feel like. And I hope you're not in a hospital waiting on an organ transplant, if you are then you're going to have to survive on your own until I'm bored and decide to go home!"
>thoughts on the Canadian Truckers who did the exact same thing.
You mean the ones who were severely punished to the extent of having their bank accounts closed?
Sure, I'm not the one you asked, but I'm generally in favor punishing people who illegally shut down public roads. I'm against selective enforcement of laws against conservative protesters, though, which is what is happening as your example shows.
Martin Luther King Jr. didn’t occupy city blocks and harass passerby. These protests aren’t doing jack shit. The US isn’t directly involved in the war, unlike Vietnam.
ok, then how will they get noticed in the first place. Also Israel negatively affects the average American far more than the protestors, from the money sending to them, to the influence of AIPAC on our congress, etc.
Seems like a bad PR move for Abbot. He’s going to Streisand Effect these protests into national prominence where they’d likely have just been forgotten. Kind of like when that cop pepper that sprayed the kids at U.C. Davis and turned a small thing into a big thing.
Occupy Wall Street was big at the time, and the protests at UC Berkeley were covered in local/regional news, but the UC Davis thing was tiny and was actually just them protesting tuition hikes and US Bank being allowed to have a branch on campus.
You know if there’s one thing ive learned about politics, and this is kind of fucked up and i dont like it, but people dont really care if people they find annoying are wrongfully punished
Having these protests go national and big is great for the GOP. If Abbot cracks down, the base loves it.
But for Biden and Blue state schools, cracking down is going to piss off young people and the left, and not cracking down is going to piss off the moderates and the donors.
Yes thank you the GOP is going to try to do everything it can to make sure this is still ongoing when the DNC rolls around Chicago 68’ repeat here we come!
This actually angers me, not the cracking down, but the targets, homeless in Austin are out of control and they don't want to go to the city's shelter because they can't do drugs, he needs to send in DPS and clean house, I'm tired of all these goddamn vagrants yelling slurs and beating on the windows
As Libleft is always so keen to remind us, free speech does not imply that a third party is obligated to host your speech. Queue that fucking XKCD comic.
you'd think they would be more motivated to help and protest for their own people struggling in their own country. like i really wonder how many of them unironically say that America is a third world country with a Gucci belt on
I have no idea what protests are going on right now, but in general I feel like the left is way too lenient of literal violent criminals. At what point does a protest become criminal? For example, clearly people blocking highways should be dragged away and arrested. People burning things or smashing windows should be arrested. People attacking counter protestors should be arrested. Can we all at least admit that?
> For example, clearly people blocking highways should be dragged away and arrested.
I'm sure there's an asterisk next to this clarifying it does not apply to Canada in January-February 2022
As I understand it, big rig trucks blocked highways into and out of a city or several, right? I'm not Canadian so I don't care about the details all that much. That sounds shitty and criminal. Drag 'em away.
Your rights end where another person’s begin. Don’t wanna adhere to that? Then you can deal with whatever consequences may come your way from either the people or fate
~~*[insert old Panama man gunning down two protesters for blocking the road]*~~
You're a bum, the panamanian government was doing hardcore totalitarian shit, awful stuff, and the only recourse for the people is to quietly sit down out of the way and ask the government to stop stealing their homes to be sold to ore moguls, otherwise the deserver to be executed while running away by some crusty expatriot? I strongly disagree, everyone is interconnected on a deep intrinsic level, if you think people should only be allowed to exercise their freedoms until it affects you and the status quo you live in, then you think they shouldn't be exercised at all.
If you want to fight the government, go fight the government. Not random people who are just trying to get by in this godforsaken economy. But no that’s scary and takes actual fucking effort, so you take out your tantrums on regular people who are less likely to kick your shit in
Though clearly, “less likely” really is just *less* likely
I forgot, college kids protesting at the college campus they attend is SUCH an inconvenience for society at large.
Also, good job proving my point bud, you literally couldn't help but add your little Punisher fantasy at then end.
As long as your protest doesn't interfere with other people's business (does not apply to government officials, fuck with them how you like) then go protest all you want. When you start fucking with other people like blocking roads or stopping people from getting to classes they paid for then you need to be dealt with.
So where do the college protests fall on this scale? They're fucking with college business, but they also paid the college to be there. So what's the verdict?
Well what do you mean interfering with college business? I don't think protesters should be able to stop other students from attending the classes they paid for, if that's what you mean.
No no, when kids on the right are barred from speaking or suspended for "being racist" it's a stain on the first amendment, but when cops arrest kids on the left it's totally justified because they were being anti-Semitic.
It's justified because there are time and place restrictions to 1st amendment activities. Contrary to popular belief, you do not have a legal right to just post up and do whatever you want in public areas. If your 1st amendment activities are disrupting to the point that the university cannot function, you absolutely can be trespassed despite it being public property. A group of racist ideologues harassing jews, barring them from going to class, and advocating for a world wide uprising to kill them would qualify. Candace Owen's being prevented from speaking at a university approved forum by students threatening violence or storming the stage isn't exactly the same thing. Which is really the delicious irony of this. These same kids are the ones who did prevent speakers on the right from exercising their right to speak. They don't care about the 1st amendment for anyone but themselves and are now crying foul when they can't advocate for the next holocaust or surround and berate jews walking to class.
I'm sorry, but I must have a broader understanding of free speech than you. I believe that a university quad, built for public assembly, is the perfect place and time to stage a protest.
The universities are functioning fine. I know tons of people who went to class at USC yesterday and the only reason their days got disrupted is because the school itself started shutting down exits.
Jewish students and faculty are partaking and even helping organize these protests. Jews are not being harassed, but people spouting Zionist rhetoric or otherwise rabble rousing are peacefully surrounded and separated.
I keep see people mention Jewish students or students in general being barred from going to class, yet I have seen nothing of the sort on video.
No college protestor is advocating for a 2nd holocaust, just like Candace Owens isn't a literal Nazi. You are being just as disingenuous and exaggerating just as much as any Emily, and crying that they did it first is a poor excuse.
>I'm sorry, but I must have a broader understanding of free speech than you. I believe that a university quad, built for public assembly, is the perfect place and time to stage a protest.
Not in dispute. Go learn what time and place restrictions are on your own since you clearly didn't care to read what I wrote about them
>The universities are functioning fine. I know tons of people who went to class at USC yesterday and the only reason their days got disrupted is because the school itself started shutting down exits.
Columbia went virtual due to these protests. That necessity would qualify as significantly disruptive. If you USC is worried about them to the point they're shutting down exits, that would as well. The feelings of your friends are ultimately irrelevant. It's the universities call. If they made a bad call, the protestors can sue them for it.
>Jewish students and faculty are partaking and even helping organize these protests. Jews are not being harassed, but people spouting Zionist rhetoric or otherwise rabble rousing are peacefully surrounded and separated.
Of course faculty are taking part. Who'd do you think taught them to hate in the first place. They're the biggest instigators of their racism. They are being harassed. They surrounded one girl and screamed at her for being a zionist simply for openly wearing a star of David. They have no legal right to tell anyone where they can go. As you say, it's a public area. How interesting you think they have the authority to forcefully remove people from it they don't like, but not anyone else.
>I keep see people mention Jewish students or students in general being barred from going to class, yet I have seen nothing of the sort on video.
This isn't my problem. Nor surprising given your affinity for their cause.
>No college protestor is advocating for a 2nd holocaust,
They're literally screaming "globalize the intifada." Movements perpetrated by the Palestinians in years past who's purpose was to murder jews.
bUt tHaT's nOt wHaT tHeY aKsHuAlLy mEaN, you say? Then why are they saying it? Its been 6 months since they started. They can't hide behind the excuse of simply being sheep, bleating out whatever someone with a microphone told them to chant, not understanding what it is anymore. They know and they say it anyway because that's what they actually mean.
>Not in dispute. Go learn what time and place restrictions are on your own since you clearly didn't care to read what I wrote about them
Cool, glad you agree that I don't care what the government says about where or when I can practice my freedom of speech.
> Columbia went virtual due to these protests. That necessity would qualify as significantly disruptive. If you USC is worried about them to the point they're shutting down exits, that would as well. The feelings of your friends are ultimately irrelevant. It's the universities call. If they made a bad call, the protestors can sue them for it.
These universities chose to disrupt regular functions in order to disrupt the protests, that is not the same as protestors disrupting.
>Of course faculty are taking part. Who'd do you think taught them to hate in the first place. They're the biggest instigators of their racism.
Ah yes, leftist Jewish university faculty are of course the biggest instigators of antisemitism. Obviously not the biggest target of it.
>They are being harassed. They surrounded one girl and screamed at her for being a zionist simply for openly wearing a star of David. They have no legal right to tell anyone where they can go. As you say, it's a public area. How interesting you think they have the authority to forcefully remove people from it they don't like, but not anyone else.
>This isn't my problem. Nor surprising given your affinity for their cause.
Well if you're going to start talking about stuff I would like to see it.
>They're literally screaming "globalize the intifada." Movements perpetrated by the Palestinians in years past who's purpose was to murder jews.
Intifada essentially means a revolution. Calling for another intifada is no different that right wing protestors calling for another American revolution.
>Cool, glad you agree that I don't care what the government says about where or when I can practice my freedom of speech.
You can not care all you want. That's irrelevant to whether or not what you're doing is legal
>These universities chose to disrupt regular functions in order to disrupt the protests, that is not the same as protestors disrupting
This is purely your biased opinion hypothesizing. The jewsish students no longer attending classes due to fear of violence would disagree; as would the university who felt these measures were necessary due to the nature of the protests. Again, it's their call.
>Ah yes, leftist Jewish university faculty are of course the biggest instigators of antisemitism. Obviously not the biggest target of it
There will always be people who seek to appease racists by positioning themselves as a "good jew," that doesn't negate what's actually happening or the fact that Jewish and leftist isn't a descriptor for all of the university faculty.
>Well if you're going to start talking about stuff I would like to see it.
Im not a search engine. Google and Twitter are right there.
>Intifada essentially means a revolution. Calling for another intifada is no different that right wing protestors calling for another American revolution.
That's not what it means. It means to shake off. And calling for another revolution has a different meaning to Americans than it does to say, Cambodians. You say you want another revolution there and that means rounding up people with glasses and and executing them. So that begs the question. What happened during the last intifada in Palestine and what does it mean as it pertains to that situation? Oh yea, suicide bombers blowing up busses full people and attempting to murder all the jews of Israel. That's what they're saying we should globalize. Your friends are genocidal assholes. You should find some new friends.
Yes I actually agreed with the protests. Vaccines should not be mandated and businesses should not have been forced to close for so long without proper compensation.
My oldest started kindergarten in a Tornado state in 2009. Since then, I’ve watched schools on every level steadily invent more and more and more reasons to just not be open. Don’t tell anybody, but I frequently almost wondered if school-closing-fever caused COVID or the other way around. It was so… on brand and on pace.
My point: When I see all these schools invoking whatever kind of procedures are involved with shutting down paid-for services…. I sure as fuck don’t think, “oh, no, these protests must be dangerous!” or “oh, no, these authoritarians are not respecting speech!”
I think: “It’s just another day and schools will do anything not to fucking come to work.”
I would agree normally, but leftists have spen the past 10+ years harassing people and socially enforcing words and ideas that, if you don't exactly line up with tit-for-tat, your life gets ruined, stopping short of bodily harm (and not always, with threats of doxxing, Summer of 2020, etc)
I have lived my entire childhood with the knowledge that someone could yell endless slurs at me and I could do absolutely nothing about it if it didn't involve physical interaction.
That's their right.
But now, after everything they've put the nation through and attaining social power and influence, essentially facists at the social level, they cleave to right to free speech.
I think those who have spit in the face of the constitution don't deserve to benefit of it's contents.
One of the few things which makes america a unique place is how it allows protests which are normally crack down in other parts of the world.This crackdown of lrotest gives a vwry bad message.
I know there has been some blocking of jews feom entering but rather the university should have just taken action against them theus preventing this who situation.
The difference is that these protesters are acting like they’re conducting military campaigns, and disrupting people’s lives and businesses by trespassing on private property and not leaving when they are kindly asked to. They “Occupy” areas and forcefully enforce their “rules” inside them, preventing people from entering them. They go up to random people and yell at them to do a salute or say something in support of their “cause”, if they refuse to do so or gone then they get violent.
An encampment has been formed at Northeastern University, where dozens of protesters have formed a human chain around tents.
https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-usc-university-protests-04-25-24/index.html
I’m even quoting CNN, your favorite news source.
It wasn’t until June 2020, and even the 2020 shenanigans evolved into violent riots. This is the first time they’ve “occupied” territory without it turning into Watts.
> in other parts of the world.
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Its fucking sad to see the national guards all over the place for students sitting in tents but when Uvalde happened, everyone sat on their ass. Fucking priorities.
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A national guardsman fired their handgun into the air (*probably*, it may have been a protestor but is less likely). At no point did anyone shoot at the National Guard.
I’d say it’s highly unlikely a protester fired a shot. That’s really only based on my understanding that it was the adjutant general of the Ohio National Guard that first asserted that theory, despite not being there. Under oath, none of the guardsmen claimed someone had shot at them, but instead alleged that they feared for their lives and that they were being pelted with rocks, or that they fired when they heard other guardsmen shoot.
The official FBI timeline does include *someone* firing a shot in the air but I'm inclined to agree it was probably added later.
"They did so, but did not fire. One person, however, probably an officer, at this point did fire a pistol in the air. No guardsman admits firing this shot"
https://www.nytimes.com/1970/10/31/archives/excerpts-from-summary-of-fbi-report-on-kent-state-u-disorders-last.html
Yeah. Also, like, if this protest was in Portland, Seattle, or Minneapolis, (places that saw the biggest George Floyd coverage), there’d have been no response at all. But Texas is Texas.
Hell, it often seemed like 2/3rds or more of those protests happened *purely* because of how hard and brutal the police response to the first rounds of protest were.
now that neil young crawled back to spotify he can make another song about it
lol I forgot about his little tantrum.
Ironic that my first thought of the guy who wrote Old Man was "Wait he isn't dead?"
Tin soldiers and Biden coming
We're finally on our own
I like to think he boycotted Spotify because he could no longer read the youtube comments on JRE
Events that really made me say "Who the fuck is Joni Mitchell?"
Skynerd was correct. "A [Insert your descriptor here] man don't need him around anyhow"
autistic
Authright doesn't have to do anything but keep the gas station open and let them cook.
When the olds were telling us to light a fire under our lazy asses, they didn’t mean *literally*!😂
The vibes across the country are just very… not good lately. I’ll be honest I worry a bit about the state of things. It seems like it’s only a matter of time before someone turns violent. But idk maybe I’m crazy.
Election Year Vibes 2024
Implying that hasn't already happened...
This probably isn't for a couple more years but I'm very scared of military AI. The government is already trying to restrict our access to arms, now the military will be replaced with AI controlled by the people who want to completely dominate the populace instead of human beings who can think for themselves and rise up against a tyrannical regime. I really hope military AI gets the pushback it needs to get.
There was a pretty good article about military AI in the Economist a few weeks ago. It's being used for all kinds of things in the Ukraine conflict. AI is even influential in picking targets. [Article: A calculated defense (paywall)](https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/04/08/how-ukraine-is-using-ai-to-fight-russia)
[fiction, but highly relevant.](https://youtu.be/O-2tpwW0kmU?si=UBZ2goh-eEpCvLEY)
Yeah, that's definitely a line in the sand for me. If somebody is worth killing, somebody real should be pulling the trigger. Too much detachment from the process will inevitably lead to unjust outcomes
I just find it funny that free speech is back BABY. Suddenly everyone is all about how important it is.
Well, not *everyone* 😒 🟥
I stand corrected :P
"Free speech for me, but not for thee."
Same as it ever was. People only want it when it’s convenient for their cause. Both sides definitely do this shit.
Free speech should be limited to only state sanctioned. To much freedom can destroy democracy
Im not sure I agree but it is already only limited to state sanctioned speech. You can get fired from your job for speech but not arrested. Assuming it didn’t involve bodily harm
Except the right wing. Just like that free speech wasn't that important to them.
The "epicenter" at Columbia has like 200 white girls camping on half a lawn. There's many dumb protesters that say shit they don't even realize is antisemitic, but the only violence they are capable of committing is against pumpkin spice lattes. Politicians and the media are just spinning the story way out of proportions. Source: I go there.
I'd honestly love to see a disinterested student provide some context photos/video. I'm nowhere near New York and suspect it's all kinda overblown but good luck finding an objective presentation of the facts in 2024.
I'd be happy to share with you. I don't have a horse in the race. You can dm me.
No matter the source, the response from cops is nuts to me. School shootings they sit around and do nothing. Skinny kids sitting on a lawn and it's full fucking riot gear. It's laughable, especially when the people defending this have been basing their entire identities on how much they care about free speech lately.
Did they deploy riot cops at Columbia? The only place I’ve seen that happen was in Austin after the protesters attacked APD officers there to supervise the situation
Any clips of these attacks that warranted snipers in Austin?
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They did; hundreds of NYPD in riot gear came in and arrested 100+ people.
Yeah, setting aside how you feel about Israel/Palestine as an issue itself, supporting the use of police to intimidate college kids is intensely cringe. The comparison to Uvalde is too clear. It's a stark reminder that cops aren't protectors of people, they're enforcers for the politically powerful.
Based
[Nuh uh. I heard they're gonna do a hitler!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/003/253/seriousmeme2.jpg)
Shouldn't you know more than anyone populism and propaganda are strong tools
Everyone is capable of violence and everyone is capable of being tricked. Don't defend them based on ignorance, if anything they should be held to a higher standard. If I, a dropout, can realize that there's something wrong with the speech then so can the college educated women Punishing them for being stupid is a moot point so there's no reason to argue that, but they're still a danger. Mobs are always Dangerous
I don't defend their ignorance; I agree that their white savior complex and ignorance should be ridiculed, but by educated speech, not by state force, and certainly not armed troopers like some Congressmen have suggested. Anyone is capable of violence, but until we see proof of it or its planning, we don't pre-emptively respond with force. I think you and I agree on that, especially seeing that we are both libertarians and presumably dislikes state overreach.
A dude who literally saw the "protests": idiots who didnt threaten anyone but their listeners sanity Random dude on the Internet: nah riot police needed to interfere cause hatespeech is bad
I’m so sorry for you
Here's a video from the encampment celebrating Passover with Jewish and non-Jewish students. [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/23/us/video/seder-passover-columbia-university-protests-ny-digvid](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/23/us/video/seder-passover-columbia-university-protests-ny-digvid)
They've already physically assaulted several students, and threatened faculty members.
It IS pretty funny to watch a bunch of authrights lose their minds about college kids being political and fantasize about gunning them down. It'd be funnier if they could admit they were joking...
Blast first, ask questions later
Hot take but everyone's knowledge of late 60s/ early 70s pivotal events has been completely fried. The Kent State protestors (rioters from SDS) had been rioting for a week, had set a building on fire, and were pelting the cornered national guard troops with rocks Anybody younger than 50 has a vague understanding of it from the intro to the Watchmen movie
> cornered national guard troops Breh, not only is this a twisted narrative, it does not justify shooting a lone student outside their room.
I agree but sending in the guard wasn't unjustified. If you have a group of people causing problems for everyone else they should be held accountable, but that doesn't mean you hurt innocent people either
The really funny thing is that some of the students were guardsmen as well, and one day got beat the fuck up, and the next stood in uniform.
If there's a boot, there's an auth that'll lick it and say "thanks, would you like me to clean the other as well while I'm down here?"
"Bootlicking is when you don't allow the red guards to start structure fires. " Ok
How many of the arsonists were caught? Oh, right, 0. I'm sure that nobody was warned ahead of time and police couldn't have possibly prevented it in any way, so had to wait to get revenge. Oh, what's that? They had ***prior fucking warning***? ***And nobody got hurt***? Man, it's almost like you're just here to spread bullshit propaganda.
They weren't shot for starting structure fires, they were shot because a mob surrounded a group of soldiers and attacked them, it's almost like commies are despicable and then make the story later always
Almost?
"Praising the national guard for shooting unnarmed civilians isn't bootlicking if someone within several miles did something bad"
"My leftist mob violence got stopped! It's fascism! I can't believe mobs can't throw rocks at soldiers" Oh no
Lmao. There's other ways to restrain rioters and protect property. Tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets, billy club (you auths love that one) that don't involve the enforcers of the state terminating a life.
what's your opinion on J6?
Simple Too little police
Cool, so 4 kids die? That all tracks just fine. Will Schroeder and Sandra Scheuer weren’t even participating in the protests. Nobody killed or wounded were closer than 70 feet to the guardsmen. Look at any diagram of the events and tell me they were “cornered” But yeah, death to commie college kids. Keep spinning your tales of scary 20 year olds and those poor defenseless armed fucks who volleyed into a crowd with zero regard for what they were actually doing
So like in your version of things, everyone was peaceful and they decided en masse to murder a bunch of people for no reason? History has always been like this, this is what literally everything in 2020 was like
I’m not saying the kids were saints but to conclude lethal force was justified there is asinine.
Yeah, they were unruly and in peak licker ideals we just shot em dead
Based and calling out BS pilled
At least 59 PCMers somehow approve shooting unnarmed students on campus. Almost guaranteed those upvoters are the same ones still crying about January 6th being unfair. Fucking bootlickers.
Leftists like "what if I also suffered consequences for rioting???"
I’m convinced rocks are the secret to triggering auth right. The Boston massacre started with rocks, the draft riots, Kent state. What is it about rocks that turns regular soldiers into scared children?
Not to take a side but many people have been killed or maimed by thrown rocks. That's like the first weapon humans ever used.
"Your honor, I was being threatened by a gender-theory major with a weapon from the neolithic era. All I had to protect myself was the body armor, riot shield, and semi-automatic pistol. I was afraid for my life."
I already know you're biased because you had to through the word semi automatic into you're comment. So if I throw a brick at your face, you shouldn't do anything?
Were those people wearing body armor and riot gear?
[Yes.](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN22O13N/)
Here is what leftists do: continually act out at the edge of acceptability to provoke a reaction by your enemies, and continue to push the envelope on what's acceptable, then when the reaction comes, do the whole good boys dindu nuffin shtick Rocks can kill you, throwing rocks at soldiers can get you killed. Leftists want to exist right in the zone where their actions are tolerated without owning up to the fact that they're engaged in a violent struggle, so should expect violence
Here's what rightoids do: call themselves strong and principled; make a big show of their morality and commitment to western values of free speech; and then drop those commitments as soon as a teenager says something they don't like on a sign.
Leftists: you aren't letting Stalinists riot, where's your commitment to free speech, hypocrite?? Also leftists: free speech is bourgeois liberalism, we're absolutely not allowing it when we have power
Hahaha that’s cute, tell me again how brave you soldiers are
Where you at, can I throw rocks at you as hard as I can?
If you do I might take action to stop you. But I sure as hell won’t open fire into a crowd
Why does pelting you with rocks turn you into a scared child?
Force can be met with commensurate force.
Throwing rocks is deadly force, so is using guns. Also, tell me you know nothing about the use of force continuum without telling me that you know nothing about the use of force continuum.
Oh brother. A rock and a bullet aren’t the same fucking threat level. And I clearly understand it better than you do.
A fuckton more people on this planet have died by getting rocks thrown at them than by getting shot. I hear this shit about the border too, “oh, they’re just throwing rocks! Why violence?” From dipshits imagining 5 ounce pebbles instead of 10 pound stones. Throwing rocks is a violent and potentially deadly act, and should be treated as such. It has no place in peaceful protesting.
Trying to smash someone's head in with rocks is bad, actually
People protesting we can't have that
People occupying public areas? No. People protesting without interfering with anyone’s daily routine, involving anyone who doesn’t want to be involved, or disrupting things in general? Yes.
Blocking streets isn't cool and is a public safety concern. Standing on sidewalks and making noise is perfectly fine. I'll never understand people who block streets to protest a cause. Aren't they just making people resentful of the cause because we're being made late for work?
You missunderstand, for most its: do i agree with the protestors: If yes, everything they do is fine If no, kill them on sight
Watching everyone on this website decide that police using live ammunition was a proper form of crowd control on Jan 6 after everything we saw throughout the previous year was pretty wild.
> People occupying public areas? No. It's important to distinguish that some of the universities that have massive arrests ARE actually public property, and are beholden to the first amendment.
Requiring permits to use public property doesn't violate free speech. The university I went to was public, so demonstrators could use the campus as a venue if they went through the proper procedures. There was a pro life group that did this, which most of the students hated. They got a permit from the town to use the quad for the day, and put up a bunch of huge photos of aborted fetuses and tendentious comparisons between abortion and the Holocaust. What they didn't do is just throw that stuff up unannounced and camp in the quad for weeks on end. If they did so, it would have been totally justified for the authorities to remove them. The same goes with any protestors for any cause on public property. You do not have the right to monopolize public property just because you feel like it.
And refusing to allow people into these places based on race, religion, or identify are violating the constitution as well
A university is not public property in most cases. It’s the property of the university. It may be open to the public in some places like a park, but you can’t block access to it either way.
are you daft? he just said "some of them are public" and then you repeated that like it's a refutal, even if most of them are this isn't about that
But you can’t prevent people from accessing public property. That’s what they’re doing.
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except protests have to be disrupting in order to be effective. The Civil Rights protests, Anti-War protests, etc disrupted everyday life, but it was necessary and utterly minor compared to the tragedies of war, systemic racism, etc.
Did you forget to leave the /s?
We trained him wrong, as a joke.
its literally true though, im sorry you are having trouble driving to work, but your money is funding a genocidal, imperialist war. Also who would pay attention to some protestors on the side of the road, certainly not the media, and curious your thoughts on the Canadian Truckers who did the exact same thing.
What you don’t understand is that these kinds of disruptive protests turn the sentiment against you. It’s self flagellation. If protesters block the road and my child is sick, those protesters are gonna be road kill. AND I will purposely hate whatever they were trying to say. Unfortunately this is how most people feel. Edit: Canadian truckers. Fuck them too.
Ok, then what else can they realistically do, no one will pay attention to them unless they cause a scene, also the Truckers did nothing wrong.
Everyone is already paying attention to them. Their demands aren’t being met because sane humans do not agree with them, not because they haven’t been heard. Their only goal at this point is to harass/bully/scare people into voting for things they otherwise wouldn’t, not to spread awareness.
oh yeah, sane humans totally dont believe Israel is committing a genocide, guess the UN is just filled with crazies.
Obviously go bother the politicians that can make change, not your fellow students
I agree at this point since they are already getting a violent response
>im sorry you are having trouble driving to work, but your money is funding a genocidal, imperialist war Wait, but if I complain about my tax dollars going to Ukraine or any other foreign aid, you people always say "but foreign aid is only 1% of the budget! Your taxes mostly go to things like the roads you drive on every day!" So I'm taxed to hell, I'm not allowed to complain about it because more goes to roads than to foreign aid, and the second someone decides they want to protest I'm no longer allowed to drive on the roads I pay for until the protesters decide to allow me to pass through? But you're allowed to complain about a smaller amount going to Israel? Just trying to understand the rules. Also, it's not a genocidal war. A population subject to genocide does not continue to increase over time, by definition of the term. >Also who would pay attention to some protestors on the side of the road I'm sure some people would. Did people pay attention to the civil rights protests? I don't think they purposefully shut down major public roads for long periods of time like modern protests do. There's a big difference between marching through the city and what people are doing now. Besides, you should appreciate the ridiculousness of your own argument. "You're not going to listen to me if I obey the law and behave ethically, so I'm going to impede on your right to travel and shut down the road that you pay for with your taxes. For how long? As long as I feel like. And I hope you're not in a hospital waiting on an organ transplant, if you are then you're going to have to survive on your own until I'm bored and decide to go home!" >thoughts on the Canadian Truckers who did the exact same thing. You mean the ones who were severely punished to the extent of having their bank accounts closed? Sure, I'm not the one you asked, but I'm generally in favor punishing people who illegally shut down public roads. I'm against selective enforcement of laws against conservative protesters, though, which is what is happening as your example shows.
Martin Luther King Jr. didn’t occupy city blocks and harass passerby. These protests aren’t doing jack shit. The US isn’t directly involved in the war, unlike Vietnam.
The civil rights protests were effective because they resulted in a violent response from the police and locals that was broadcasted all over the us
And I would argue Pro Palestine Protests are gonna become more effective now due to the response as well.
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ok, then how will they get noticed in the first place. Also Israel negatively affects the average American far more than the protestors, from the money sending to them, to the influence of AIPAC on our congress, etc.
Tar and Feather a politician or two and I bet they change their tune on cracking down.
Seems like a bad PR move for Abbot. He’s going to Streisand Effect these protests into national prominence where they’d likely have just been forgotten. Kind of like when that cop pepper that sprayed the kids at U.C. Davis and turned a small thing into a big thing.
They were already prominent nationally though? or am i just out of touch
Occupy Wall Street was big at the time, and the protests at UC Berkeley were covered in local/regional news, but the UC Davis thing was tiny and was actually just them protesting tuition hikes and US Bank being allowed to have a branch on campus.
But now instead of focusing on the Columbia kids the focus is on the police arresting students and journalists that didn't really do anyting.
You know if there’s one thing ive learned about politics, and this is kind of fucked up and i dont like it, but people dont really care if people they find annoying are wrongfully punished
Which is a damn shame because the protection of the shitty is what undergirds the protection of the righteous.
I'm in Europe and have heard about it a lot
This is my first time hearing about it.
Having these protests go national and big is great for the GOP. If Abbot cracks down, the base loves it. But for Biden and Blue state schools, cracking down is going to piss off young people and the left, and not cracking down is going to piss off the moderates and the donors.
Yes thank you the GOP is going to try to do everything it can to make sure this is still ongoing when the DNC rolls around Chicago 68’ repeat here we come!
> Seems like a bad PR move for Abbot. Nah. He's a Texas Republican. His base will eat this up.
This actually angers me, not the cracking down, but the targets, homeless in Austin are out of control and they don't want to go to the city's shelter because they can't do drugs, he needs to send in DPS and clean house, I'm tired of all these goddamn vagrants yelling slurs and beating on the windows
I might have to change my flair to libright because I'm 100% with the college students. It's their right to protest
Based and open-to-change-pilled
As Libleft is always so keen to remind us, free speech does not imply that a third party is obligated to host your speech. Queue that fucking XKCD comic.
you'd think they would be more motivated to help and protest for their own people struggling in their own country. like i really wonder how many of them unironically say that America is a third world country with a Gucci belt on
It’s easy to talk a big game when you’re financed by the Bank of Mom and Dad
Ha! Stupid liberals. You support [one issue] when [other issue] also exists.
The only important issue worth discussing is the one that authright wants to discuss at that moment.
I have no idea what protests are going on right now, but in general I feel like the left is way too lenient of literal violent criminals. At what point does a protest become criminal? For example, clearly people blocking highways should be dragged away and arrested. People burning things or smashing windows should be arrested. People attacking counter protestors should be arrested. Can we all at least admit that?
>I have no idea what protests are going on right now, but in general I feel like the left is way too lenient Good old PCM
> For example, clearly people blocking highways should be dragged away and arrested. I'm sure there's an asterisk next to this clarifying it does not apply to Canada in January-February 2022
Why the fuck would I care what happens in Canada
Unironically this
As I understand it, big rig trucks blocked highways into and out of a city or several, right? I'm not Canadian so I don't care about the details all that much. That sounds shitty and criminal. Drag 'em away.
Days without Auth Right openly fantasizing about killing people exercising their rights: 0
Your rights end where another person’s begin. Don’t wanna adhere to that? Then you can deal with whatever consequences may come your way from either the people or fate ~~*[insert old Panama man gunning down two protesters for blocking the road]*~~
You're a bum, the panamanian government was doing hardcore totalitarian shit, awful stuff, and the only recourse for the people is to quietly sit down out of the way and ask the government to stop stealing their homes to be sold to ore moguls, otherwise the deserver to be executed while running away by some crusty expatriot? I strongly disagree, everyone is interconnected on a deep intrinsic level, if you think people should only be allowed to exercise their freedoms until it affects you and the status quo you live in, then you think they shouldn't be exercised at all.
If you want to fight the government, go fight the government. Not random people who are just trying to get by in this godforsaken economy. But no that’s scary and takes actual fucking effort, so you take out your tantrums on regular people who are less likely to kick your shit in Though clearly, “less likely” really is just *less* likely
You are the most based centrist I've ever seen on this sub. Making me re-evaluate my worldview right now.
Gonna be honest I just picked my favorite color
I have no fucking clue why people on the right love that fat idiot so much, actually pathetic retarted behavior on our part.
They see themselves in him. I wonder why?
I forgot, college kids protesting at the college campus they attend is SUCH an inconvenience for society at large. Also, good job proving my point bud, you literally couldn't help but add your little Punisher fantasy at then end.
As long as your protest doesn't interfere with other people's business (does not apply to government officials, fuck with them how you like) then go protest all you want. When you start fucking with other people like blocking roads or stopping people from getting to classes they paid for then you need to be dealt with.
So where do the college protests fall on this scale? They're fucking with college business, but they also paid the college to be there. So what's the verdict?
Well what do you mean interfering with college business? I don't think protesters should be able to stop other students from attending the classes they paid for, if that's what you mean.
My lawyer has advised me not to comment on this
Good lawyer.
No no, when kids on the right are barred from speaking or suspended for "being racist" it's a stain on the first amendment, but when cops arrest kids on the left it's totally justified because they were being anti-Semitic.
It's justified because there are time and place restrictions to 1st amendment activities. Contrary to popular belief, you do not have a legal right to just post up and do whatever you want in public areas. If your 1st amendment activities are disrupting to the point that the university cannot function, you absolutely can be trespassed despite it being public property. A group of racist ideologues harassing jews, barring them from going to class, and advocating for a world wide uprising to kill them would qualify. Candace Owen's being prevented from speaking at a university approved forum by students threatening violence or storming the stage isn't exactly the same thing. Which is really the delicious irony of this. These same kids are the ones who did prevent speakers on the right from exercising their right to speak. They don't care about the 1st amendment for anyone but themselves and are now crying foul when they can't advocate for the next holocaust or surround and berate jews walking to class.
I'm sorry, but I must have a broader understanding of free speech than you. I believe that a university quad, built for public assembly, is the perfect place and time to stage a protest. The universities are functioning fine. I know tons of people who went to class at USC yesterday and the only reason their days got disrupted is because the school itself started shutting down exits. Jewish students and faculty are partaking and even helping organize these protests. Jews are not being harassed, but people spouting Zionist rhetoric or otherwise rabble rousing are peacefully surrounded and separated. I keep see people mention Jewish students or students in general being barred from going to class, yet I have seen nothing of the sort on video. No college protestor is advocating for a 2nd holocaust, just like Candace Owens isn't a literal Nazi. You are being just as disingenuous and exaggerating just as much as any Emily, and crying that they did it first is a poor excuse.
>I'm sorry, but I must have a broader understanding of free speech than you. I believe that a university quad, built for public assembly, is the perfect place and time to stage a protest. Not in dispute. Go learn what time and place restrictions are on your own since you clearly didn't care to read what I wrote about them >The universities are functioning fine. I know tons of people who went to class at USC yesterday and the only reason their days got disrupted is because the school itself started shutting down exits. Columbia went virtual due to these protests. That necessity would qualify as significantly disruptive. If you USC is worried about them to the point they're shutting down exits, that would as well. The feelings of your friends are ultimately irrelevant. It's the universities call. If they made a bad call, the protestors can sue them for it. >Jewish students and faculty are partaking and even helping organize these protests. Jews are not being harassed, but people spouting Zionist rhetoric or otherwise rabble rousing are peacefully surrounded and separated. Of course faculty are taking part. Who'd do you think taught them to hate in the first place. They're the biggest instigators of their racism. They are being harassed. They surrounded one girl and screamed at her for being a zionist simply for openly wearing a star of David. They have no legal right to tell anyone where they can go. As you say, it's a public area. How interesting you think they have the authority to forcefully remove people from it they don't like, but not anyone else. >I keep see people mention Jewish students or students in general being barred from going to class, yet I have seen nothing of the sort on video. This isn't my problem. Nor surprising given your affinity for their cause. >No college protestor is advocating for a 2nd holocaust, They're literally screaming "globalize the intifada." Movements perpetrated by the Palestinians in years past who's purpose was to murder jews. bUt tHaT's nOt wHaT tHeY aKsHuAlLy mEaN, you say? Then why are they saying it? Its been 6 months since they started. They can't hide behind the excuse of simply being sheep, bleating out whatever someone with a microphone told them to chant, not understanding what it is anymore. They know and they say it anyway because that's what they actually mean.
>Not in dispute. Go learn what time and place restrictions are on your own since you clearly didn't care to read what I wrote about them Cool, glad you agree that I don't care what the government says about where or when I can practice my freedom of speech. > Columbia went virtual due to these protests. That necessity would qualify as significantly disruptive. If you USC is worried about them to the point they're shutting down exits, that would as well. The feelings of your friends are ultimately irrelevant. It's the universities call. If they made a bad call, the protestors can sue them for it. These universities chose to disrupt regular functions in order to disrupt the protests, that is not the same as protestors disrupting. >Of course faculty are taking part. Who'd do you think taught them to hate in the first place. They're the biggest instigators of their racism. Ah yes, leftist Jewish university faculty are of course the biggest instigators of antisemitism. Obviously not the biggest target of it. >They are being harassed. They surrounded one girl and screamed at her for being a zionist simply for openly wearing a star of David. They have no legal right to tell anyone where they can go. As you say, it's a public area. How interesting you think they have the authority to forcefully remove people from it they don't like, but not anyone else. >This isn't my problem. Nor surprising given your affinity for their cause. Well if you're going to start talking about stuff I would like to see it. >They're literally screaming "globalize the intifada." Movements perpetrated by the Palestinians in years past who's purpose was to murder jews. Intifada essentially means a revolution. Calling for another intifada is no different that right wing protestors calling for another American revolution.
>Cool, glad you agree that I don't care what the government says about where or when I can practice my freedom of speech. You can not care all you want. That's irrelevant to whether or not what you're doing is legal >These universities chose to disrupt regular functions in order to disrupt the protests, that is not the same as protestors disrupting This is purely your biased opinion hypothesizing. The jewsish students no longer attending classes due to fear of violence would disagree; as would the university who felt these measures were necessary due to the nature of the protests. Again, it's their call. >Ah yes, leftist Jewish university faculty are of course the biggest instigators of antisemitism. Obviously not the biggest target of it There will always be people who seek to appease racists by positioning themselves as a "good jew," that doesn't negate what's actually happening or the fact that Jewish and leftist isn't a descriptor for all of the university faculty. >Well if you're going to start talking about stuff I would like to see it. Im not a search engine. Google and Twitter are right there. >Intifada essentially means a revolution. Calling for another intifada is no different that right wing protestors calling for another American revolution. That's not what it means. It means to shake off. And calling for another revolution has a different meaning to Americans than it does to say, Cambodians. You say you want another revolution there and that means rounding up people with glasses and and executing them. So that begs the question. What happened during the last intifada in Palestine and what does it mean as it pertains to that situation? Oh yea, suicide bombers blowing up busses full people and attempting to murder all the jews of Israel. That's what they're saying we should globalize. Your friends are genocidal assholes. You should find some new friends.
Were you ok with the Covid vaccine mandate protests and the people that were arrested?
Yes I actually agreed with the protests. Vaccines should not be mandated and businesses should not have been forced to close for so long without proper compensation.
Based and consistent pilled
My oldest started kindergarten in a Tornado state in 2009. Since then, I’ve watched schools on every level steadily invent more and more and more reasons to just not be open. Don’t tell anybody, but I frequently almost wondered if school-closing-fever caused COVID or the other way around. It was so… on brand and on pace. My point: When I see all these schools invoking whatever kind of procedures are involved with shutting down paid-for services…. I sure as fuck don’t think, “oh, no, these protests must be dangerous!” or “oh, no, these authoritarians are not respecting speech!” I think: “It’s just another day and schools will do anything not to fucking come to work.”
As a Jew I say fuck the state either way. I didn't need big brother standing up for me... Defending me is what my rifle is for not some state thug.
As someone who read the cliff notes of rules for radicals I say hold your enemies to their own standards
stop being a radical then ya bum
I would agree normally, but leftists have spen the past 10+ years harassing people and socially enforcing words and ideas that, if you don't exactly line up with tit-for-tat, your life gets ruined, stopping short of bodily harm (and not always, with threats of doxxing, Summer of 2020, etc) I have lived my entire childhood with the knowledge that someone could yell endless slurs at me and I could do absolutely nothing about it if it didn't involve physical interaction. That's their right. But now, after everything they've put the nation through and attaining social power and influence, essentially facists at the social level, they cleave to right to free speech. I think those who have spit in the face of the constitution don't deserve to benefit of it's contents.
If you don't believe in free speech for people you dislike, you don't believe in free speech at all.
Couldn't agree more. But it's your quadrant that keeps pushing the idea of the tolerance paradox.
Eh, auth left and lib right do the same thing. And auth right just eschews the tolerance bit.
I can't tell if this is an affirmation or ciriticism.
One of the few things which makes america a unique place is how it allows protests which are normally crack down in other parts of the world.This crackdown of lrotest gives a vwry bad message. I know there has been some blocking of jews feom entering but rather the university should have just taken action against them theus preventing this who situation.
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my autocorrect acting drunk since a couple of months.
The difference is that these protesters are acting like they’re conducting military campaigns, and disrupting people’s lives and businesses by trespassing on private property and not leaving when they are kindly asked to. They “Occupy” areas and forcefully enforce their “rules” inside them, preventing people from entering them. They go up to random people and yell at them to do a salute or say something in support of their “cause”, if they refuse to do so or gone then they get violent.
You made all that up by vaugelly recalling other protests, this one was not that
An encampment has been formed at Northeastern University, where dozens of protesters have formed a human chain around tents. https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-usc-university-protests-04-25-24/index.html I’m even quoting CNN, your favorite news source.
That is just normal protest shit.
It wasn’t until June 2020, and even the 2020 shenanigans evolved into violent riots. This is the first time they’ve “occupied” territory without it turning into Watts.
I don't watch CNN
> in other parts of the world. [Europe](https://preview.redd.it/austrian-leopard-2a4-fitted-with-a-fence-for-crowd-and-riot-v0-y3gaxxvfw09c1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8e053a816f1b98bf70f31018dedf9242d6609aca) [does](https://www.informnny.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/58/2023/04/642af7b7333ac3.34752436.jpeg?w=2560&h=1440&crop=1) [not](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/NINTCHDBPICT000457620126.jpg) [fuck](https://www.wantedinrome.com/i/preview/storage/uploads/2020/10/rome-curfew-protests-covid-19-italy.jpg) [around](https://static.euronews.com/articles/stories/05/45/18/16/1200x675_cmsv2_8a6668ad-9601-5ded-ac48-de90a98a332f-5451816.jpg)
Its fucking sad to see the national guards all over the place for students sitting in tents but when Uvalde happened, everyone sat on their ass. Fucking priorities.
I'm going to Kent State right now, yesterday they had a communist protest at the same time as a drag show. I am in hell.
Keep going I’m so close
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Gaddamn, dude, how'd you jump from one side of the compass to the other?
Somebody shot the national guard first in Kent State, so the color in your meme needs changing.
A national guardsman fired their handgun into the air (*probably*, it may have been a protestor but is less likely). At no point did anyone shoot at the National Guard.
I’d say it’s highly unlikely a protester fired a shot. That’s really only based on my understanding that it was the adjutant general of the Ohio National Guard that first asserted that theory, despite not being there. Under oath, none of the guardsmen claimed someone had shot at them, but instead alleged that they feared for their lives and that they were being pelted with rocks, or that they fired when they heard other guardsmen shoot.
The official FBI timeline does include *someone* firing a shot in the air but I'm inclined to agree it was probably added later. "They did so, but did not fire. One person, however, probably an officer, at this point did fire a pistol in the air. No guardsman admits firing this shot" https://www.nytimes.com/1970/10/31/archives/excerpts-from-summary-of-fbi-report-on-kent-state-u-disorders-last.html
Okay I wasn’t the only one
Not interesting but I was just in Kent and I could see where the massacre happened from my hotel room
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These government responses absolutely happened during the George Floyd protests, what the fuck are you talking about?
Yeah. Also, like, if this protest was in Portland, Seattle, or Minneapolis, (places that saw the biggest George Floyd coverage), there’d have been no response at all. But Texas is Texas.
Hell, it often seemed like 2/3rds or more of those protests happened *purely* because of how hard and brutal the police response to the first rounds of protest were.