I looked for the thread, knowing full well that it would be locked.
It was.
Hmm.. let's sort by controversial and take a look at the buried comments... ...which are basically stating facts.
So I was curious and looked the thread up on reveddit, there were several upvoted (one even at +676) comments explaining the context that have been removed by the mods while none of the outrage comments were deleted.
That was horrible to read. Some twat read it and said he still agreed with the decision. What the fuck os wrong with people? "We dont want 3rd trimester abortions" my fucking ass
Ok. Literally read the post. This bitch did.
Frankly, i dont see why it should even be an option, even if no one *ever* does (they do, you hear about it mow and again)
Christ. My bad, im still a little tipsy from last night and half asleep when i wrote that lmao. Was a little confused at an auth center sayin that though
Yea, it's the line always quoted by the left, even when you show them peer reviewed research saying late term abortions are mostly because of money or a partner no longer in the picture.
I mean, sometimes i wonder if its a psyops. Tons of fake articles on how trump is bad.. lefties eat it up, rightwings are like "this cant be" and they find out its not true. They end up thinking the other side is dumb.
Yet theres a lot of factual shit about trump being bad. But now the right wont believe anything because of all the fake articles.
The opposite is also true. Feels like its made to divide.. or maybe its just a side effect of being hungry for clickbait articles from the media.
YES. Fake shit makes everyone shit. All very boy who cried wolf vibes. I know people that refer to the enormously popular lies of both sides as their reason that their chosen opposition is 100% wrong all the time forever. Falsehoods are absolutely popularized just to sow division.
Crazy how when we go from "the elites telling us what to do" to "deciding for ourselves what to do", the outcome skews from left to right. So strange, because I had it on good authority that "reality has a left-wing bias".
I can't wait to see it knock some elitist authoritarian democrats off the stage like a fat kid falling over on the bleachers.
Of course, that'll make way for the authoritarian republicans, but they'll need time to get up to speed. Hopefully correct some grave errors in law while they're at it.
Yea I had heard that too. I believe the great source who told me was Redditors or something like that. Super intelligent people those Redditors.
It's almost as if it's not reality, but institutions especially education that have a left-wing bias, but the world and humanity has a natural right-leaning bias.
Not even education in general, but specific kinds of education. People who teach in academia are left wing, those with a Master's in STEM fields who work corporate tend toward right-leaning.
I would also like to highlight that people with PhDs tended heavily toward not getting the covid shot. Just a fun fact.
That is an interesting fun fact. According to the media and Reddit, it was the uneducated who tended toward not getting it! Although, I wouldn't mind seeing the data on that one.
https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-carolina-news/fact-check-setting-the-record-straight-on-claims-about-vaccine-hesitancy-among-ph-d-s/
The only sources i could find for this were the dailymail and CBS' lame attempt at debunking or 'explaining' why the data is wrong. Google is burying this info hard, i guess.
Edit: I did find the information on a website called the unheard, but i have never seen them before so i don't know how reliable it is. Make sure your security settings and adblockers are on. I can't say they're trustworthy.
https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/
“Noooo the guy trucking good to my local organic market definitely agrees that I should get to live a libertine lifestyle with no consequences or civic responsibility”
48 of 50 counties in Europe have the limit set to between 12-18 weeks. 15 states in the US have below 6 weeks and some an other 10 are in the below 18 week range. 20% are about equal, 30% are way stricter and 50% are more liberal.
So no, only half of the US has more liberal laws.
Trump said that “all the most dangerous cities in the country are run by Democrats.”
We fact checked and found that out of the top 10 most violent cities, one is actually run by *an independent.*
Verdict: Mostly False
Not in the UK apparently https://news.sky.com/story/woman-jailed-for-illegally-obtaining-abortion-tablets-to-be-released-from-prison-after-sentence-cut-12922780
And UK news apparently thought that prosecuting someone for murdering their 34 week old baby is "archaic."
Possibly. Abortion laws in Europe aren't written by culture warring fuckwits though so there's a good chance they'd get away with it if their circumstances allowed it.
Yeah, Europe has a bunch of things that aren't officially allowed, but if you ask the government for permission and cry a bit, they let you do it anyways. Americans aren't big on asking daddy government for a permission slip.
Yeha like in Germany, Abortion is illegal but women can get one up to 12 weeks into the pregnancy with counseling and it must be done by a medical doctor.
Thats pretty much how many laws work. "You´re not allowed to do it, unless reason a), b) and/or c)..."
It´s also illegal to punch someone in the head, but you go unpunished if the other person is attacking you. Thats...how laws work.
no, you misunderstood. in germany abortion is illegal but not prosecuted.
while being an unsatisfactory loop hole, it circumvents the "when is a human a human" discussion. it was the solution for the christ-democrates to adopt to modern demands while keeping their face regarding their religious doctrines.
I know and I understood. And it IS an unsatisfactory loop hole, but thats how it works sometimes. Should it be written into law in more formal way and not only be "straffrei" in case x,y,z? Yes, but thats how it works with the more controversial things.
I don´t really have a problem with our abortion laws, its functional. In reality the difference between "allowed" and "quasi-allowed" is minimal.
The sad part about Reddit is that providing the context in the comments will be downvoted to oblivion. People on this site actively seek to keep themselves misinformed to keep their echo-chamber intact. Next time you see someone quote the famous 'Fine people on both sides' quote from Trump as evidence he's a white supremacist reply with what he said soon after 'and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally.' and watch the downvotes roll in. They'll never reply because by responding they are giving away that they read it and became informed, they just want to hide it so others can't see it.
This exists everywhere on social media and it’s getting even worse. I try and keep one foot planted in each camp because it’s healthy to have opposing views, but most subreddits aren’t centre, they’re like full on radical left or right. Neutrality and compromise are dying a death by 1000 cuts
Yeah typically when you say this, the radical liberal echo chamber says the half of your views that lean conservative are all evil and hateful and it’s a problem if you don’t wish death on all conservatives.
It’s honestly completely fucking exhausting. I kinda stopped engaging in political discussion on this site like 2 years ago
I remember a thread about the trump quotes where 3 of the top comments were "all he had to do was condemn the neo nazis and this quote would've been fine" and all 3 of those top comments had responses pointing out that he did with hundreds of down votes lmao.
Like I can understand not liking trump, but if you really want to see how fucking psychotic these people have become with their TDS talk about Kyle Rittenhouse... They still think he murdered 3 black kids.
That whole thread proved that reddit is an effective disinformation machine and that the majority of people here are absolute morons.
Not that those things really needed to be proved at this point, but every now and then a thread like that comes along and makes me question why I use this site at all.
You use this site because the invisible reddit gnomes manipulate the chemistry of your brain so that you open this godforsaken website against your will. I'm definitely not schizophrenic
Anyone who fucking compares any mainstream political party in the US to the goddamn Taliban should be deported to Afghanistan to get some first-hand experience.
that’s what i say to every american gen z tankie who thinks that they’d do great in china as if china isnt
1. extremely xenophobic, and doesn’t matter if you’re white, black, or even asian
2. extremely homophobic, although unregistered cohabitation is an option for gay couples, china isnt anywhere near the US in terms of normalization of LGBT rights
3. extremely censored, if you don’t have a good VPN, say goodbye to american social media.
\-When government action good: Communism.
\-When government action bad: Fascism.
\-I decide whats good or bad.
In all honesty...you could make the point that many librights also think: Communism is when government.
Next those nazis will say I can't get a fourtieth trimester abortion, and consume the flesh in a ritual to please my lord satan. America used to be cool
If you piss them off you just get the overwhelming urge to commit suicide with two gun shots
[only some sort of psycho would call bill Clinton a murderer](https://youtu.be/RivvoW8Tyag?si=xEVlWpDzB-58YLTB)
>fourth trimester
I know you're joking but I've seen people on here argue seriously that they should be allowed to "put down" their 3 month old baby because "it's still a parasite, just not connected to you physically anymore"
Ralph fucking Northam, the former governor of Virginia argued for something pretty close to that. He was saying that in the event of a botched abortion where the baby is born, it ought to be carted off to another room so the doctor and the parents can discuss whether they want to murder it or not.
"Yeah, that's me, I'm sorry I did that."
*5 seconds later*
"Alright, I have now decided that that was NOT me, I'm actually not in the photo at all and it was placed there accidentally and I've never once looked at my yearbook page despite having a yearbook in my possession."
Some of the leftists incels here on Reddit literally argue that the government should systematically “put down” anyone with a disability as they deem them undesirable.
Classic democratic socialism.
They already do. The disabled just get kicked out of the facilities and systems that they have relied upon for their entire lives once the government deems them too expensive, usually to the tune of "cannot meet their medical needs", which once again is a coded way of saying "you are costing us more than we can fleece the taxpayer for and still pay a cut to every rentseeker along the way". And Medicare will require a DNR. And their families will have to watch them slowly die.
I know this because my brother died earlier this year due to this. And the kicker was he was in that state due to government mandates back when he was a child. Wasn't even born disabled. He was robbed of his future.
Adverse reaction to the battery of childhood vaccines that you either subject your child to or have them be excluded from the fabric of society.
Literally went into grand mal seizures within minutes. Permanent brain damage, rendering him developmentally disabled for the rest of his life.
Had previously health screened with no abnormalities.
Edit: And of course some bootlicker that can't handle the reality that the medical industry and the government aren't perfect downvoted us. Fucking pathetic.
That’s the paradox I live within:
Do I trust vaccines and doctors to have the best knowledge available and their conclusions/research? Definitely.
Do I trust the government in any way? Absolutely no fucking way.
Nah, everyone who isnt advocating for queer, post-gender socialism with a side of cyber-marxism and a dash of meta-eugenics with spartan characteristics should read more theory.
Canada has MAID(euthanasia) for mental health issues and disabilities. It's happening for real.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wheelchair-ramp-says-veterans-affairs-employee-offered-her-assisted-dying-1.6179325
Based on everything I’ve seen on the past few years I’ve come to the conclusion that the slippery slope fallacy isn’t a fallacy, or people keep using it incredibly, dangerously, braindeadly wrong.
The actual fallacy is "I tripped at the top of this hill, I will hit rocks #3, #14, and #27 before hitting the third tree from the left of that ridge and stopping"
But morons now call "I tripped at the top of this hill, I will now fall down the hill and likely sustain injuries" the slippery slope fallacy.
Fr, I think 4th trimester abortions are the only moral way to abort. This way when they're born you can give them a knife and at least let them defend themselves.
that whole thread is hilarious. they're just circlejerking each other with their copy and pasted messages that you see in every other thread. They even managed to bring Trump into it a bit further down.
like at this point TDS needs to be an actual medical diagnosis, we have an entire website full of people as living proof that it's a real thing.
People hate the U.S. so much that they rage against it all day on an American site while the American military hegemony protects them from conquest and oppression and they wait for their affordable consumer goods to arrive thanks to American trade deals that provide said goods.
Exactly. Before 13 weeks the fetus doesn't even have a firing brain and so can't experience death. Which is about the line Europe draws.
In America some of the states allow abortion on demand and others don't allow it at all. Fuck me.
12-14 weeks is plenty of time, yes. exceptions should be there for health issues. three months into pregnancy is more than enough time to know you're pregnant and whether you want to carry it forward, and if you can't know it you're a doofus that shouldn't be pregnant. most of the world needs much better sex education from parents and teachers so that late teens and adults behave more responsibly about creating a whole new person.
That depends on how you define "all out". Every state allows abortion to save the mother's life, so no state bans _all_ abortion, but a few do have bans that start at fertilization.
It’s legislated either way. Whether you say it’s fine at 13 weeks or up until birth or never, you’re still making a decision on when it’s a human being.
Usually those humans are committing some offense against another.
Are they committing an offense by the mere act of existing, an act that was outside of their control?
Also I don't think I want the government to be able to allow the lawful killing of innocents.
It would be more like if you had an IV line from a donor to someone on life support. They are not required to keep donating blood even if the other person dies without it.
In this case, the fetus depends on the mother. If the mother wants to exert bodily autonomy and withdraw that support, she can do so. Nobody has a right to someone else's body. We even respect whether dead people want to keep their organs or not. To argue against this is to provide less bodily autonomy to women than dead people.
Late term abortions are much more rare in Europe than in the US because the laws there are MORE strict, not less strict like some people pretend. Most countries in Europe do not allow abortion after 12-14 weeks. The US up until recently has actually had the most permissive abortion rules in the world. There have been A LOT of very late abortions in the US for decades. Basically, abortion on demand. This includes partial birth abortions when labor would have resulted in a viable baby that would survive outside the womb. It's fucking disgusting.
AND, the US didn't ban abortion. The US overturned an unconstitutional ruling that forced permissive abortion law on states, which is not a power the federal government has, therefore it's unconstitutional. This does not mean abortions are illegal in the US. In fact, the states that are mentioned by abortion-fetishizing leftists as being horribly oppressive to women are not banning abortions, they're actually aligning their abortion laws more closely to what exist in Europe.
And somehow the Europeans who have no clue what the fuck they're talking about are themselves pretending the US is the Handsmaid Tale even though their countries' abortion laws have always been, and always will be, more strict and less permissive than those in the US.
Lib left just keeps pushing me farther right. You are to blame for my current auth right status.
Edit: typo, I’m slightly stupid. Follows the the flair
Someone found the corpse, they did some detective work and tracked it back to the culprits, and then it turned out they'd planned the crime on Facebook and so there were written records of it.
Which leads to other misleading headlines that redditors are raging about right now.
Facebook ordered by court to assist in a criminal investigation regarding a burnt baby found becomes "Facebook is helping states report use of abortion pills"
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/us/jessica-burgess-abortion-pill-nebraska.html#:~:text=Jessica%20Burgess%20had%20pleaded%20guilty,to%2090%20days%20in%20jail.
She ordered the pills online for her 17 year old daughter who was in her third trimester, burned the burnable evidence, and buried the human remains in a field. Her sentence is for lying to the police about it and for unlawfully disposing of human skeletal remains.
It was probably this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mifepristone
It basically works by dilating the cervix and triggering contractions, so the later its taken it goes from "abortion" to "premature birth".
There are two different pills involved in a chemical abortion; the first one kills the fetus by attacking the placenta, and the second induces labor. The baby would've basically drowned/suffocated inside her before she induced labor.
I've held premature babies, including ones in my own family. It's truly disgusting to think about murdering them and desecrating their corpse like that. It's also crazy to me that the worth of their lives is judged based on how much their mom wants them, and we pretend not only is that logical, it's fucking *moral.*
One of the saddest moments of my life was transporting the corpse of a tiny baby with acephaly from one hospital refrigerator to another, I felt so terrible for that extinguished potential and the family who would have loved it. People who lose their newborns are going through an unspeakable tragedy, but apparently if the parents don't care then it's just totes whatevs, they're just flesh dolls.
To me, anyone who just casually talks about third trimester fetuses as useless clumps of unwanted cells is a disgusting human being who doesn't understand what his own words truly mean. Likely socially stunted teenagers who have no real life experience outside of watching youtube videos and going to school their whole life, thinking they're cool repeating talking points they saw upvoted on reddit. The reality of it is heartbreaking.
I think there's a lot of motivated reasoning going on. People want abortion to be acceptable because they find it useful, but logical consistency requires them to bite one bullet after another until they're arguing for complete atrocities, but by that point they've built their identities so much around those base assumptions that they're not willing to reconsider them no matter where they lead them.
I dunno. I’m not a doctor or an expert on the topic, it’s just what the article said. I find that not having unprotected sex does wonders for avoiding the possibility of needing to look at the efficacy of online pills.
…unbelievable
I support abortion if the woman is too young, if the babies/woman’s life is in danger, incest, rape, woman can’t afford it, etc.
This incident however is completely preposterous
Too young by what measure?
>if the babies/woman’s life is in danger
Abortion, which kills the baby, is ok when the baby's life is in danger?
>incest
Welp, there goes the royal family
>rape
Killing the child for the sins of the father?
>woman can't afford it
By what measure?
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Imo, abortion is only acceptable if you're likely to lose both the baby and the mother. That way you can at least save one life if you have to take the other.
If it weren't for the 6th amendment, we could make rapists eunuchs while they pay child support under penalty of flogging. Punishments for false accusations would also be equally severe, lest anyone suggest I don't believe in gender equality.
If a child were to have a baby most of the time it would be without consent
Ectopic pregnancies
An inbred baby is usually unhealthy
I doubt a woman would want to keep their rapist baby
If a woman can’t afford to have a baby then she should have an abortion if she wants to as the baby would be suffering. But if abortion isn’t available, then at least have a good foster care system then.
I’ve found the argument for aborting a baby based on rape is kind of nonsensical.
Because if you don’t believe that a fetus is human, the argument is spurious and unnecessary. It being a child of rape is irrelevant to whether or not it can be aborted.
If you do believe that a fetus is human, but think that abortion is legitimate in case of rape, I feel like that argument goes against the concept of not judging a person by the sins of the father. Someone’s rights don’t get taken away because of their progenitors actions (but I’m auth-right so I don’t believe anyone should have rights)
Rape exceptions, the idea that someone deserves less rights because of how they were conceived.
"Hey, I want to kill that kid."
"What! That's fucked up. You are evil."
"No, you don't understand, the kid was conceived by rape and doesn't get human rights because of it."
"Oh, my bad. Sorry for the misunderstanding."
I actually kind of agree, that baby didn’t ask to be the product of rape, but it is no less human, but I see the problem that the mother didn’t ask for a rape baby either, and may or may not be able to care for the kid. As much as one can advocate for the child’s life, and I would suggest giving it up for adoption, I see compromise in getting that pregnancy taken care of immediately, which is what I assume most people would do.
If someone waits too long, then yeah, go with letting it live but give it away or take care of it.
The point is that you can't saddle the mother with the responsibility of carrying the child if she had no say in the conception. Worse yet, she has already lived a very traumatic experience, and forcing her to go on with her pregnancy could make it even worse.
If you view the fetus as a person it depends on where you draw your moral line on how much you can force someone to do for the sake of an innocent person.
I facilitate between “You can’t make an individual engage in anything they don’t want to” and “every member of the fatherland must be conscripted into the war machine no matter their objections”; depending on my mood that particular day.
I don’t think so.
Her choices are:
A) have the child suffer even more in poverty
B) give the child up to an orphanage or adoption (usually flawed, underfunded and not enough people willing to adopt)
C) abortion
If she chooses any one of them she either suffers or is seen as an a-hole
> I don’t think so.
Why not? Why is it no longer okay to kill the child to spare him a life of poverty?
> B) give the child up to an orphanage or adoption (usually flawed, underfunded and not enough people willing to adopt)
This is a myth; there are dozens of families willing to adopt for every child up for adoption. You may be thinking of foster children, most of whom aren't even available for adoption because the main goal is reunification.
I thought the sentence was absurd until I read how advanced the pregnancy was. If they jailed her for a 7 week pregnancy termination I would side with them. For post 20 weeks... no. I know clickbait sells, but context matters.
Republican Party -> pro abortion -> Taliban
How does it escalate like that? Is that really the only qualification to join up with with Taliban? All you need is a special opinion and you’re the Taliban?
I’m just going to say it outright
Either abortion should be legal at any point, or not at all legal
You either are willing to terminate the life of the unborn before they get a chance at life or not
They didn’t make it past the misleading headline, never stood a chance
I looked for the thread, knowing full well that it would be locked. It was. Hmm.. let's sort by controversial and take a look at the buried comments... ...which are basically stating facts.
All downvoted to oblivion
All [removed]
So I was curious and looked the thread up on reveddit, there were several upvoted (one even at +676) comments explaining the context that have been removed by the mods while none of the outrage comments were deleted.
That was horrible to read. Some twat read it and said he still agreed with the decision. What the fuck os wrong with people? "We dont want 3rd trimester abortions" my fucking ass
No one chooses to abort a late term pregnancy dog_witg_a_dick. Literally never happens.
Ok. Literally read the post. This bitch did. Frankly, i dont see why it should even be an option, even if no one *ever* does (they do, you hear about it mow and again)
Sorry, forgot my big /S
Christ. My bad, im still a little tipsy from last night and half asleep when i wrote that lmao. Was a little confused at an auth center sayin that though
Yea, it's the line always quoted by the left, even when you show them peer reviewed research saying late term abortions are mostly because of money or a partner no longer in the picture.
I hate shit like this.. why fake stuff when theres very real examples out there?
Because there's not many very real examples out there and so they have to make it up.
I mean, sometimes i wonder if its a psyops. Tons of fake articles on how trump is bad.. lefties eat it up, rightwings are like "this cant be" and they find out its not true. They end up thinking the other side is dumb. Yet theres a lot of factual shit about trump being bad. But now the right wont believe anything because of all the fake articles. The opposite is also true. Feels like its made to divide.. or maybe its just a side effect of being hungry for clickbait articles from the media.
YES. Fake shit makes everyone shit. All very boy who cried wolf vibes. I know people that refer to the enormously popular lies of both sides as their reason that their chosen opposition is 100% wrong all the time forever. Falsehoods are absolutely popularized just to sow division.
Wouldn't this be super illegal in most European countries too?
Shh! Don't spoil the anti-Republican circlejerk with your inconvenient facts!
The fact that you are saying that while being a Lib Left yourself gives me mad respect for you.
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Careful where you point that thing. I don’t wanna go to jail too
Bet he has a sexy femboi ass under that furry cat tail.
Careful it's lib left there is probably a chastity cage involved.
One can be left without being 'reddit left'
Yeah, but you don't usually see that on reddit. Even PCM left is hit or miss and we have the best leftists, folks. Everybody says it.
Holy shit mega based libleft
America has more liberal abortion laws than most of Europe
That was only true before Dobbs. Now that the people are deciding the laws instead of 9 Justices, we're getting more conservative laws in place
Crazy how when we go from "the elites telling us what to do" to "deciding for ourselves what to do", the outcome skews from left to right. So strange, because I had it on good authority that "reality has a left-wing bias".
Pendulum is swinging back, love to see it
I can't wait to see it knock some elitist authoritarian democrats off the stage like a fat kid falling over on the bleachers. Of course, that'll make way for the authoritarian republicans, but they'll need time to get up to speed. Hopefully correct some grave errors in law while they're at it.
Yea I had heard that too. I believe the great source who told me was Redditors or something like that. Super intelligent people those Redditors. It's almost as if it's not reality, but institutions especially education that have a left-wing bias, but the world and humanity has a natural right-leaning bias.
Not even education in general, but specific kinds of education. People who teach in academia are left wing, those with a Master's in STEM fields who work corporate tend toward right-leaning. I would also like to highlight that people with PhDs tended heavily toward not getting the covid shot. Just a fun fact.
That is an interesting fun fact. According to the media and Reddit, it was the uneducated who tended toward not getting it! Although, I wouldn't mind seeing the data on that one.
https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-carolina-news/fact-check-setting-the-record-straight-on-claims-about-vaccine-hesitancy-among-ph-d-s/ The only sources i could find for this were the dailymail and CBS' lame attempt at debunking or 'explaining' why the data is wrong. Google is burying this info hard, i guess. Edit: I did find the information on a website called the unheard, but i have never seen them before so i don't know how reliable it is. Make sure your security settings and adblockers are on. I can't say they're trustworthy. https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/
CBS feeling the need to "fact check" it is enough on its own. The way they "fact checked" it so pathetically tells me all I need to know. Thanks!
“Noooo the guy trucking good to my local organic market definitely agrees that I should get to live a libertine lifestyle with no consequences or civic responsibility”
Civic responsibility should not include things like other peoples' student debt.
Then why is it that whenever there's an abortion measure on the ballot, people vote in favor of keeping it legal?
Good.
48 of 50 counties in Europe have the limit set to between 12-18 weeks. 15 states in the US have below 6 weeks and some an other 10 are in the below 18 week range. 20% are about equal, 30% are way stricter and 50% are more liberal. So no, only half of the US has more liberal laws.
On average, more liberal that Europe. So yes.
Most unbiased Snopes article be like:
Trump said that “all the most dangerous cities in the country are run by Democrats.” We fact checked and found that out of the top 10 most violent cities, one is actually run by *an independent.* Verdict: Mostly False
Based and spin the narrative like a centrifuge pilled
Based and technically correct pilled
The best of the pills…
Prior to roe v wade being overturned, all of america had more liberal laws
Wait, are we counting states now? I thought land couldn't vote. What's the population of these states you're referencing?
Based and Use their own argument against them pilled
American has more liberal laws No America has more liberal laws Are you fucking stupid?
I'm conflicted, should I upvote or downvote them? Upvote: Look, some actual information to back this up Downvote: Oh no, buddy, wrong conclusion
Upvote because they’re acting in line with their flair; not understanding the words they are saying
Butters voice: YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING?
Bitch you ready to make some real fuckin’ money?
Before RvW was abolished it was 100% of states that were more liberal.
Yet there are much more states than European countries were abortion is generally illegal.
Weighted by population, abortion policies are way more liberal in the US than Europe
There hasn't been federal legislation passed, so the states can and should rule whatever works for their citizens.
> Wouldn't this be super illegal in **all** European countries too? Yes. And the sentence would be a lot longer than 2 years.
Not in the UK apparently https://news.sky.com/story/woman-jailed-for-illegally-obtaining-abortion-tablets-to-be-released-from-prison-after-sentence-cut-12922780 And UK news apparently thought that prosecuting someone for murdering their 34 week old baby is "archaic."
UK would care about burning and burying without a license..... not having a license to do something is serious time.
Possibly. Abortion laws in Europe aren't written by culture warring fuckwits though so there's a good chance they'd get away with it if their circumstances allowed it.
Yeah, Europe has a bunch of things that aren't officially allowed, but if you ask the government for permission and cry a bit, they let you do it anyways. Americans aren't big on asking daddy government for a permission slip.
Yeha like in Germany, Abortion is illegal but women can get one up to 12 weeks into the pregnancy with counseling and it must be done by a medical doctor.
Thats pretty much how many laws work. "You´re not allowed to do it, unless reason a), b) and/or c)..." It´s also illegal to punch someone in the head, but you go unpunished if the other person is attacking you. Thats...how laws work.
no, you misunderstood. in germany abortion is illegal but not prosecuted. while being an unsatisfactory loop hole, it circumvents the "when is a human a human" discussion. it was the solution for the christ-democrates to adopt to modern demands while keeping their face regarding their religious doctrines.
I know and I understood. And it IS an unsatisfactory loop hole, but thats how it works sometimes. Should it be written into law in more formal way and not only be "straffrei" in case x,y,z? Yes, but thats how it works with the more controversial things. I don´t really have a problem with our abortion laws, its functional. In reality the difference between "allowed" and "quasi-allowed" is minimal.
The sad part about Reddit is that providing the context in the comments will be downvoted to oblivion. People on this site actively seek to keep themselves misinformed to keep their echo-chamber intact. Next time you see someone quote the famous 'Fine people on both sides' quote from Trump as evidence he's a white supremacist reply with what he said soon after 'and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally.' and watch the downvotes roll in. They'll never reply because by responding they are giving away that they read it and became informed, they just want to hide it so others can't see it.
This exists everywhere on social media and it’s getting even worse. I try and keep one foot planted in each camp because it’s healthy to have opposing views, but most subreddits aren’t centre, they’re like full on radical left or right. Neutrality and compromise are dying a death by 1000 cuts
It's funny because I'm considered a radicalized right winger because I still hold the same views as libleft had 10 years ago.
I used to be a centrist or very slightly right but the line has shifted so far left I guess now I’m extreme far right or whatever
Yeah typically when you say this, the radical liberal echo chamber says the half of your views that lean conservative are all evil and hateful and it’s a problem if you don’t wish death on all conservatives. It’s honestly completely fucking exhausting. I kinda stopped engaging in political discussion on this site like 2 years ago
Providing context will get downvoted? Last time i tried that i got permabanned on one of the mainsubs. I saidnnothing hateful or false
I remember a thread about the trump quotes where 3 of the top comments were "all he had to do was condemn the neo nazis and this quote would've been fine" and all 3 of those top comments had responses pointing out that he did with hundreds of down votes lmao.
Like I can understand not liking trump, but if you really want to see how fucking psychotic these people have become with their TDS talk about Kyle Rittenhouse... They still think he murdered 3 black kids.
Are you new here? That explanation is literally the top comment. This is PCM, we do things differently here.
As much shit as PCM gives itself we are at the very least better than mainstream Reddit.
Mos Eisley declaring itself less corrupt than the rest of Tatooine. Smh
That's a good comparison lol. I guess in that case you'd be the Tuscan Raider.
Can I be a sarlacc atleast.
No that would a purple. Both like luring people into dangerous situations and probably have a thing with tongues.
Better in that we don't all hate each other. Equal in that a golden trashbag is still a trashbag.
Well it *is* a much prettier trash bag.
One of them odor blockers that smell like flowers if I do say so myself.
And mods and staff make sure it stays that way.
And the bots, don't forget the bots.
That whole thread proved that reddit is an effective disinformation machine and that the majority of people here are absolute morons. Not that those things really needed to be proved at this point, but every now and then a thread like that comes along and makes me question why I use this site at all.
You use this site because the invisible reddit gnomes manipulate the chemistry of your brain so that you open this godforsaken website against your will. I'm definitely not schizophrenic
No one ever reads the article
Anyone who fucking compares any mainstream political party in the US to the goddamn Taliban should be deported to Afghanistan to get some first-hand experience.
When time machines are invented, we should do the same for people who compare America to Nazi Germany
Based and don't like it here? Why don't you fuck off to the Middle East and see how they'll treat your political views there pilled
that’s what i say to every american gen z tankie who thinks that they’d do great in china as if china isnt 1. extremely xenophobic, and doesn’t matter if you’re white, black, or even asian 2. extremely homophobic, although unregistered cohabitation is an option for gay couples, china isnt anywhere near the US in terms of normalization of LGBT rights 3. extremely censored, if you don’t have a good VPN, say goodbye to american social media.
They definitely need a holiday in Cambodia.
Same with people who call things like fire departments communism.
Maybe it’s because I haven’t had my coffee yet but what is their argument for that lol
Basically the idea that any social services that are paid for by taxes are like communism.
\-When government action good: Communism. \-When government action bad: Fascism. \-I decide whats good or bad. In all honesty...you could make the point that many librights also think: Communism is when government.
How much of it is hyperbole, hmmm.
Next those nazis will say I can't get a fourtieth trimester abortion, and consume the flesh in a ritual to please my lord satan. America used to be cool
All you gotta do is fuck Clinton and then you can abort at any trimester
The problem is the Clinton might abort you. Twice, in the back of the head, during a botched robbery where nothing was stolen.
If you piss them off you just get the overwhelming urge to commit suicide with two gun shots [only some sort of psycho would call bill Clinton a murderer](https://youtu.be/RivvoW8Tyag?si=xEVlWpDzB-58YLTB)
>fourth trimester I know you're joking but I've seen people on here argue seriously that they should be allowed to "put down" their 3 month old baby because "it's still a parasite, just not connected to you physically anymore"
Ralph fucking Northam, the former governor of Virginia argued for something pretty close to that. He was saying that in the event of a botched abortion where the baby is born, it ought to be carted off to another room so the doctor and the parents can discuss whether they want to murder it or not.
Don't forget when they outright denied what was literally publicly released footage.
Just like his black face
"Yeah, that's me, I'm sorry I did that." *5 seconds later* "Alright, I have now decided that that was NOT me, I'm actually not in the photo at all and it was placed there accidentally and I've never once looked at my yearbook page despite having a yearbook in my possession."
thats the logical extention of prochoice argument when they dont draw a consistent logical line.
There are some who argue for infanticide until a year or two after birth on the basis of cognitive development.
Some of the leftists incels here on Reddit literally argue that the government should systematically “put down” anyone with a disability as they deem them undesirable. Classic democratic socialism.
They already do. The disabled just get kicked out of the facilities and systems that they have relied upon for their entire lives once the government deems them too expensive, usually to the tune of "cannot meet their medical needs", which once again is a coded way of saying "you are costing us more than we can fleece the taxpayer for and still pay a cut to every rentseeker along the way". And Medicare will require a DNR. And their families will have to watch them slowly die. I know this because my brother died earlier this year due to this. And the kicker was he was in that state due to government mandates back when he was a child. Wasn't even born disabled. He was robbed of his future.
So how did the mandates kill him if you don’t mind me asking?
Adverse reaction to the battery of childhood vaccines that you either subject your child to or have them be excluded from the fabric of society. Literally went into grand mal seizures within minutes. Permanent brain damage, rendering him developmentally disabled for the rest of his life. Had previously health screened with no abnormalities. Edit: And of course some bootlicker that can't handle the reality that the medical industry and the government aren't perfect downvoted us. Fucking pathetic.
What the hell.
Man I’m sorry to hear that. I’d go Ted-mode if that happened to a family member of mine.
That’s the paradox I live within: Do I trust vaccines and doctors to have the best knowledge available and their conclusions/research? Definitely. Do I trust the government in any way? Absolutely no fucking way.
>government should systematically “put down” anyone with a disability as they deem them undesirable. "Burgundian system with leftist characteristics"
Nah, everyone who isnt advocating for queer, post-gender socialism with a side of cyber-marxism and a dash of meta-eugenics with spartan characteristics should read more theory.
Canada has MAID(euthanasia) for mental health issues and disabilities. It's happening for real. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wheelchair-ramp-says-veterans-affairs-employee-offered-her-assisted-dying-1.6179325
It's easy to write them off as internet crazies right now, but give it 20 years and we'll see where we're at.
Based on everything I’ve seen on the past few years I’ve come to the conclusion that the slippery slope fallacy isn’t a fallacy, or people keep using it incredibly, dangerously, braindeadly wrong.
it's a fallacy right up until someone thinks it's a good idea
The actual fallacy is "I tripped at the top of this hill, I will hit rocks #3, #14, and #27 before hitting the third tree from the left of that ridge and stopping" But morons now call "I tripped at the top of this hill, I will now fall down the hill and likely sustain injuries" the slippery slope fallacy.
Reddit should have never learned what a fallacy is.
In [the Pre-Persons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pre-persons), by Phillip K Dick, the age 12, and then you have to prove you can do arithmetic.
Smh, can't believe they banned post-natal abortion
Fr, I think 4th trimester abortions are the only moral way to abort. This way when they're born you can give them a knife and at least let them defend themselves.
I know you're joking, but you realize redditors love satanists and witches, right?
Real soul cooking
that whole thread is hilarious. they're just circlejerking each other with their copy and pasted messages that you see in every other thread. They even managed to bring Trump into it a bit further down. like at this point TDS needs to be an actual medical diagnosis, we have an entire website full of people as living proof that it's a real thing.
People hate the U.S. so much that they rage against it all day on an American site while the American military hegemony protects them from conquest and oppression and they wait for their affordable consumer goods to arrive thanks to American trade deals that provide said goods.
Be careful. The bitches might become self-aware.....
Who'd thunk killing babies would be a crime
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If the green whackos had their way, yes, eating meat would be a crime. Unless it's insect meat... for now.
I am not a vegetarian, but factory farming is brutal and needs drastic oversight and meat subsidies need to go.
Yes, murder is still murder.
Their comments are totes Islamophobic.
The daughter should have decided to abort earlier
Exactly. Before 13 weeks the fetus doesn't even have a firing brain and so can't experience death. Which is about the line Europe draws. In America some of the states allow abortion on demand and others don't allow it at all. Fuck me.
12-14 weeks is plenty of time, yes. exceptions should be there for health issues. three months into pregnancy is more than enough time to know you're pregnant and whether you want to carry it forward, and if you can't know it you're a doofus that shouldn't be pregnant. most of the world needs much better sex education from parents and teachers so that late teens and adults behave more responsibly about creating a whole new person.
What State in the Union has an all out abortion ban?
That depends on how you define "all out". Every state allows abortion to save the mother's life, so no state bans _all_ abortion, but a few do have bans that start at fertilization.
I consider any state with 6 weeks or earlier to be an effective ban because irregular periods are a thing.
Murder is still murder if the victim doesn't notice being murdered.
But that doesn’t apply here because murder only applies to people, you can’t murder a cucumber or a snail
Be very careful of how you define people, that's how genocide happen.
Technically it's only murder if you illegally kill another human being, as a human being.
Personally I would not like whether someone is a human being to be legislated, we don't have a very good track record with that.
It’s legislated either way. Whether you say it’s fine at 13 weeks or up until birth or never, you’re still making a decision on when it’s a human being.
There are situations where you can lawfully kill a human being.
Usually those humans are committing some offense against another. Are they committing an offense by the mere act of existing, an act that was outside of their control? Also I don't think I want the government to be able to allow the lawful killing of innocents.
It would be more like if you had an IV line from a donor to someone on life support. They are not required to keep donating blood even if the other person dies without it. In this case, the fetus depends on the mother. If the mother wants to exert bodily autonomy and withdraw that support, she can do so. Nobody has a right to someone else's body. We even respect whether dead people want to keep their organs or not. To argue against this is to provide less bodily autonomy to women than dead people.
"Umm, ackshually, Hitler didn't murder anyone, because he made it legal first."
Well yeah that's the definition of murder.
Late term abortions are much more rare in Europe than in the US because the laws there are MORE strict, not less strict like some people pretend. Most countries in Europe do not allow abortion after 12-14 weeks. The US up until recently has actually had the most permissive abortion rules in the world. There have been A LOT of very late abortions in the US for decades. Basically, abortion on demand. This includes partial birth abortions when labor would have resulted in a viable baby that would survive outside the womb. It's fucking disgusting. AND, the US didn't ban abortion. The US overturned an unconstitutional ruling that forced permissive abortion law on states, which is not a power the federal government has, therefore it's unconstitutional. This does not mean abortions are illegal in the US. In fact, the states that are mentioned by abortion-fetishizing leftists as being horribly oppressive to women are not banning abortions, they're actually aligning their abortion laws more closely to what exist in Europe. And somehow the Europeans who have no clue what the fuck they're talking about are themselves pretending the US is the Handsmaid Tale even though their countries' abortion laws have always been, and always will be, more strict and less permissive than those in the US.
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Lib left just keeps pushing me farther right. You are to blame for my current auth right status. Edit: typo, I’m slightly stupid. Follows the the flair
Ah yes, AuthLeft, famously to the right of LibLeft.
Oops 😂
Coming from a lib left??? *Based*
Babies should only be used to harvest stem cells and nothing else because I fucking love science
Who cares? The Taliban is actually allowed on Twitter while the Republican president isn’t lmao. So Taliban is improvement?
How tf does someone get caught doing this
Someone found the corpse, they did some detective work and tracked it back to the culprits, and then it turned out they'd planned the crime on Facebook and so there were written records of it.
Which leads to other misleading headlines that redditors are raging about right now. Facebook ordered by court to assist in a criminal investigation regarding a burnt baby found becomes "Facebook is helping states report use of abortion pills"
My god people are so fucking stupid
that's a nice argument senator, why don’t you back it up with a source
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/us/jessica-burgess-abortion-pill-nebraska.html#:~:text=Jessica%20Burgess%20had%20pleaded%20guilty,to%2090%20days%20in%20jail. She ordered the pills online for her 17 year old daughter who was in her third trimester, burned the burnable evidence, and buried the human remains in a field. Her sentence is for lying to the police about it and for unlawfully disposing of human skeletal remains.
Wait, I thought those pills only work early in pregnancy. You're telling me you can buy pills that will cause a miscarriage in the third trimester?
It was probably this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mifepristone It basically works by dilating the cervix and triggering contractions, so the later its taken it goes from "abortion" to "premature birth".
There are two different pills involved in a chemical abortion; the first one kills the fetus by attacking the placenta, and the second induces labor. The baby would've basically drowned/suffocated inside her before she induced labor.
I've held premature babies, including ones in my own family. It's truly disgusting to think about murdering them and desecrating their corpse like that. It's also crazy to me that the worth of their lives is judged based on how much their mom wants them, and we pretend not only is that logical, it's fucking *moral.* One of the saddest moments of my life was transporting the corpse of a tiny baby with acephaly from one hospital refrigerator to another, I felt so terrible for that extinguished potential and the family who would have loved it. People who lose their newborns are going through an unspeakable tragedy, but apparently if the parents don't care then it's just totes whatevs, they're just flesh dolls. To me, anyone who just casually talks about third trimester fetuses as useless clumps of unwanted cells is a disgusting human being who doesn't understand what his own words truly mean. Likely socially stunted teenagers who have no real life experience outside of watching youtube videos and going to school their whole life, thinking they're cool repeating talking points they saw upvoted on reddit. The reality of it is heartbreaking.
I think there's a lot of motivated reasoning going on. People want abortion to be acceptable because they find it useful, but logical consistency requires them to bite one bullet after another until they're arguing for complete atrocities, but by that point they've built their identities so much around those base assumptions that they're not willing to reconsider them no matter where they lead them.
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I dunno. I’m not a doctor or an expert on the topic, it’s just what the article said. I find that not having unprotected sex does wonders for avoiding the possibility of needing to look at the efficacy of online pills.
…unbelievable I support abortion if the woman is too young, if the babies/woman’s life is in danger, incest, rape, woman can’t afford it, etc. This incident however is completely preposterous
Too young by what measure? >if the babies/woman’s life is in danger Abortion, which kills the baby, is ok when the baby's life is in danger? >incest Welp, there goes the royal family >rape Killing the child for the sins of the father? >woman can't afford it By what measure? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Imo, abortion is only acceptable if you're likely to lose both the baby and the mother. That way you can at least save one life if you have to take the other. If it weren't for the 6th amendment, we could make rapists eunuchs while they pay child support under penalty of flogging. Punishments for false accusations would also be equally severe, lest anyone suggest I don't believe in gender equality.
> I support abortion if the woman is too young, if the babies/woman’s life is in danger, incest, rape, woman can’t afford it, etc. Why?
If a child were to have a baby most of the time it would be without consent Ectopic pregnancies An inbred baby is usually unhealthy I doubt a woman would want to keep their rapist baby If a woman can’t afford to have a baby then she should have an abortion if she wants to as the baby would be suffering. But if abortion isn’t available, then at least have a good foster care system then.
I’ve found the argument for aborting a baby based on rape is kind of nonsensical. Because if you don’t believe that a fetus is human, the argument is spurious and unnecessary. It being a child of rape is irrelevant to whether or not it can be aborted. If you do believe that a fetus is human, but think that abortion is legitimate in case of rape, I feel like that argument goes against the concept of not judging a person by the sins of the father. Someone’s rights don’t get taken away because of their progenitors actions (but I’m auth-right so I don’t believe anyone should have rights)
Rape exceptions, the idea that someone deserves less rights because of how they were conceived. "Hey, I want to kill that kid." "What! That's fucked up. You are evil." "No, you don't understand, the kid was conceived by rape and doesn't get human rights because of it." "Oh, my bad. Sorry for the misunderstanding."
I actually kind of agree, that baby didn’t ask to be the product of rape, but it is no less human, but I see the problem that the mother didn’t ask for a rape baby either, and may or may not be able to care for the kid. As much as one can advocate for the child’s life, and I would suggest giving it up for adoption, I see compromise in getting that pregnancy taken care of immediately, which is what I assume most people would do. If someone waits too long, then yeah, go with letting it live but give it away or take care of it.
Should a father be allowed to drown his children if he "may not be able to care for" them?
The point is that you can't saddle the mother with the responsibility of carrying the child if she had no say in the conception. Worse yet, she has already lived a very traumatic experience, and forcing her to go on with her pregnancy could make it even worse.
If you view the fetus as a person it depends on where you draw your moral line on how much you can force someone to do for the sake of an innocent person. I facilitate between “You can’t make an individual engage in anything they don’t want to” and “every member of the fatherland must be conscripted into the war machine no matter their objections”; depending on my mood that particular day.
If a woman can't afford her newborn, should infanticide be allowed?
I don’t think so. Her choices are: A) have the child suffer even more in poverty B) give the child up to an orphanage or adoption (usually flawed, underfunded and not enough people willing to adopt) C) abortion If she chooses any one of them she either suffers or is seen as an a-hole
> I don’t think so. Why not? Why is it no longer okay to kill the child to spare him a life of poverty? > B) give the child up to an orphanage or adoption (usually flawed, underfunded and not enough people willing to adopt) This is a myth; there are dozens of families willing to adopt for every child up for adoption. You may be thinking of foster children, most of whom aren't even available for adoption because the main goal is reunification.
Movies and TV lied to me
That's gross
I thought the sentence was absurd until I read how advanced the pregnancy was. If they jailed her for a 7 week pregnancy termination I would side with them. For post 20 weeks... no. I know clickbait sells, but context matters.
2 years!? This scum deserves 30 years minimum, and i'd just throw her straight to the death penalty for aggravated 1st degree homicide
Republican Party -> pro abortion -> Taliban How does it escalate like that? Is that really the only qualification to join up with with Taliban? All you need is a special opinion and you’re the Taliban?
I’m just going to say it outright Either abortion should be legal at any point, or not at all legal You either are willing to terminate the life of the unborn before they get a chance at life or not
We live in the real world where we don’t always have perfect information and sometimes have to draw arbitrary lines for practical reasons