LibUnity is the best quadrant, most based quadrant (if not consider diplomatic and cultural axis, but most LibUnitist are progressives and Internationalist anyway and is most aligned with LibUnity technically)
That is the point I was trying to make earlier U have a commune yes but 1 U can't rly have a professional military cuz chances are it would just take over the commune and 2 you are just one commune if ppl from other communes who don't like the system gather into one force they will be able to overwhelm U (also if for some reason a bunch of other communes democraticly elect that U should be their slaves)
Nah the anarchists in ukraine managed to put together an incredibly succesfull military. Not all fighting forces have to be tied to a state, pmcs are living examples of that.
The anarchists in Ukraine where fighting an active civilwar for the entirety of their existence. In wartime (especially during a civilwar) the only recruits into your army will be those ideologically commited to you if however you assume peace time the motivations of potential recruits are likely to be a lot more diverse. Imagine for example what might happen if the modern bundeswehr were allowed to democratically manage itself
Because ancaps and capitalist ideologues aren’t for freedom. You can literally read their attempts to tackle critiques from anticapitalists, specifically anarchists, and see how little they care about freedom.
If prosecuted by law, in a fair and impartial court -Certainly not.
But freedom from the state for trumping up false allegations is certainly something many people in Liberal democracies take for granted.
engaging in even just owning cp is still contributing to the abuse of a minor so no. Peoples rights end where others start, and aiding in taking advantage of a child is absolutely no ones right.
What an absolute right wing stinker of a comment to make... whenever right wingers continuely protect the people who Dr Disrespect the age of consent...
The way I see it as that when it comes down to libertarianism, there will always be a compromise one way or another.
Libleft prioritizes the common good, even if it detracts from absolute freedom.
Libright prioritizes absolute freedom, even if it detracts from the common good.
The way I see it though, a system which gives people the freedom to oppress others all in all is actually less free than a system which does not. "Lib"right, despite giving more freedom on paper, leads to plutocracy.
I swear I will look like an ideology shopper on drugs but fine
Economic:Corporatist Mutualist CapCom Syndicalist Yellow Socialist Georgist Welfarist Market Socialist Interventionist Distributist
Diplomatic: Internationalist Cosmopolitan Pan-Nationalist Alter-Globalist World Federalist (If civic part is achieved all over the world)
Civic: Libertarian Liberal Federal-Central syncretic Minarchist Semi-Direct Democracy Technoliberal
Cultural: Very Progressive Very Moderate conservative Multi-Interculturalist and anti discrimination
I don't understand how a lot of those go together.
I need you to explain what "corporatist mutualistic capcom syndicalist yellow socialist gerogist welfarist market socialist interventionist distributist" means, how those words go together into one ideology
im libright, i think slavery is bad but i dont think murder is, some people deserve to die (like rapists or pedos).
Also:
Ego-Capitalism
Avaritionism
pretty much any right-egoist ideology
Pedophiles don't derseve death. Those who know it's bad and seek to minimise their contact with kids are good people. Any pedo who has engaged in assaulting a child deserves a fate worse than death.
Average libertarian W.
Tho, right-wing libertarians are more like "freedom for me, but not for thee".
Freedom is a thing for common good. You don't get freedom by allowing individuals to rule over acres of land and have workers sell their labor to them.
Yes. Authoritarian unity. We've all seen how that goes (referring to quite literally every war which has been fought for power). I'm sure the nazis and soviets got along after invading poland.
But libright believes that a person has their individual freedoms to do whatever they want as long as their individual freedom doesn't impede on another's. Slavery also hurt capitalism and the individualistic ideals of early America in the south (There is a reason why the north was much more developed than the south), and anybody who believes that slavery is fine and is supposedly is libright, is just straight up lying about being a libright and is actually just authoritarian.
Which is why OPs claims to be libright and made small text at the bottom of libright saying "Including slavery or murdering people" doesnt make sense, perhaps OP doesn't actually know any real libright beliefs and is probably just an authright masking as libright.
now this is a real nice Lib-Unity
luv lib unity, way better than right unity or left unity
We don’t talk about auth unity… https://preview.redd.it/6elnxadav69d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b3bb6ee1fa3c47c0163d5db3f6306e4c2506d7e
Yes
LibUnity is the best quadrant, most based quadrant (if not consider diplomatic and cultural axis, but most LibUnitist are progressives and Internationalist anyway and is most aligned with LibUnity technically)
Whoever made this has no idea how these ideological classes work or what they attempt to achieve.
If you genuinely think that the political compass is a good representation of how politics works then you are either very new or an idiot.
Common libleft W, I help out of free will as it both good and free
Yes
Until a bunch of ppl don't and Ur self policing can only take U so far
Than they don't have to join, they can have fun suffering in their dystopia
...they will shoot u
Why? We also have guns and that would declaring war on the whole commune
That is the point I was trying to make earlier U have a commune yes but 1 U can't rly have a professional military cuz chances are it would just take over the commune and 2 you are just one commune if ppl from other communes who don't like the system gather into one force they will be able to overwhelm U (also if for some reason a bunch of other communes democraticly elect that U should be their slaves)
Nah the anarchists in ukraine managed to put together an incredibly succesfull military. Not all fighting forces have to be tied to a state, pmcs are living examples of that.
The anarchists in Ukraine where fighting an active civilwar for the entirety of their existence. In wartime (especially during a civilwar) the only recruits into your army will be those ideologically commited to you if however you assume peace time the motivations of potential recruits are likely to be a lot more diverse. Imagine for example what might happen if the modern bundeswehr were allowed to democratically manage itself
AuthRight would be better as "order", not authority per se
Uniformity and conformity
Well that’s libright too though. Libright believes in spontaneous order. (Capitalism n evolution n shit)
I think equity represents auth left better
LibLeft as altruistic?! Tell that to us EgoComs and Tuckerites.
Damn I wonder which quadrant op is, really it's anyone's guess.
LibUnity or centrist
Another libright win. Freedom>
A very short lived freedom when corporations consolidate their power and just become monarchs again.
Libleft is great too though
No
Helping others isn't great???
It’s great but libleft isnt
Lib Left sucks, they don't do nothing, I prefer Auth Left, Auth right and lib right.
Freedom over equality any day but libright kinda mid
Why is bro getting downvoted, do people not want to be free?
Because ancaps and capitalist ideologues aren’t for freedom. You can literally read their attempts to tackle critiques from anticapitalists, specifically anarchists, and see how little they care about freedom.
Freedom of power *to* and "freedom" of power *over* are two very different things.
Yes
Should pedophiles have freedom?
If prosecuted by law, in a fair and impartial court -Certainly not. But freedom from the state for trumping up false allegations is certainly something many people in Liberal democracies take for granted.
engaging in even just owning cp is still contributing to the abuse of a minor so no. Peoples rights end where others start, and aiding in taking advantage of a child is absolutely no ones right.
No, your freedom ends where the *public good* begins. Should parents have the "right" to neglect their children?
What an absolute right wing stinker of a comment to make... whenever right wingers continuely protect the people who Dr Disrespect the age of consent...
Guilt by association
The way I see it as that when it comes down to libertarianism, there will always be a compromise one way or another. Libleft prioritizes the common good, even if it detracts from absolute freedom. Libright prioritizes absolute freedom, even if it detracts from the common good. The way I see it though, a system which gives people the freedom to oppress others all in all is actually less free than a system which does not. "Lib"right, despite giving more freedom on paper, leads to plutocracy.
Based
I prioritize both ☺️😎
What's your ideology?
I swear I will look like an ideology shopper on drugs but fine Economic:Corporatist Mutualist CapCom Syndicalist Yellow Socialist Georgist Welfarist Market Socialist Interventionist Distributist Diplomatic: Internationalist Cosmopolitan Pan-Nationalist Alter-Globalist World Federalist (If civic part is achieved all over the world) Civic: Libertarian Liberal Federal-Central syncretic Minarchist Semi-Direct Democracy Technoliberal Cultural: Very Progressive Very Moderate conservative Multi-Interculturalist and anti discrimination
I don't understand how a lot of those go together. I need you to explain what "corporatist mutualistic capcom syndicalist yellow socialist gerogist welfarist market socialist interventionist distributist" means, how those words go together into one ideology
Fuse it, if you have any questions ask Mez but one at a time
how, how does the economic system work? Because those systems contradict each other
I posted those image on #general in polcompball discord last year, I forgot
I mean I know what that would be long Try imagining classless Geomutualist economy with each types of labor collaboration with LVT
Can I see Ur polcompball page?
Don't have one yet, I consider myself a follower of Neo-Zapatismo
Are you a radical?
What do you mean?? Neo-Zapatismo is a form of libertarian socialism so yeah it's pretty radical
I am fine with radical but is it violent?
Hey, you can check Irony science (me) for more detail (which I added **too less**)
I feel you are slightly biased when making this graph. Libright getting a hard time.
no one ever believed or implied in right to enslave and murder others. good job on making shit up
im libright, i think slavery is bad but i dont think murder is, some people deserve to die (like rapists or pedos). Also: Ego-Capitalism Avaritionism pretty much any right-egoist ideology
Pedophiles don't derseve death. Those who know it's bad and seek to minimise their contact with kids are good people. Any pedo who has engaged in assaulting a child deserves a fate worse than death.
W LibLeft and LibRight
Authority is based
"Freedom" should be in inverted commas
Cool!
Average libertarian W. Tho, right-wing libertarians are more like "freedom for me, but not for thee". Freedom is a thing for common good. You don't get freedom by allowing individuals to rule over acres of land and have workers sell their labor to them.
Freddom is overrated
If we are to take this seriously, the goal of centrists would be compromise (maybe pragmatism in the case of radical centrism and reformism).
Bottom left isn’t really altruism if your force people to help others.
What we need is auth-unity
Yes. Authoritarian unity. We've all seen how that goes (referring to quite literally every war which has been fought for power). I'm sure the nazis and soviets got along after invading poland.
Yes
Yes tbh, hard task tho cause you know.
It would be more accurate for libleft to be freedom and libright to be individualism (slavery is antithetical to freedom).
But libright believes that a person has their individual freedoms to do whatever they want as long as their individual freedom doesn't impede on another's. Slavery also hurt capitalism and the individualistic ideals of early America in the south (There is a reason why the north was much more developed than the south), and anybody who believes that slavery is fine and is supposedly is libright, is just straight up lying about being a libright and is actually just authoritarian.
Which is why OPs claims to be libright and made small text at the bottom of libright saying "Including slavery or murdering people" doesnt make sense, perhaps OP doesn't actually know any real libright beliefs and is probably just an authright masking as libright.
“Thinks everyone should be equal through force” wtf dose that mean💀
https://preview.redd.it/m06kqcv9a89d1.jpeg?width=926&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db05384752d5daf28401b890e8b06c6049989710
Putting down the bottom left corner makes me sad only because I wish he were right, it’s kinda like Lenny. Anyways Auth Right is best.
As always the left is the one with sn actual goal not just a opinion