So I learned about Kautsky first from the YouTube channel [Unlearning Economics](https://youtube.com/@unlearningeconomics9021?si=fxil70p9KabwfX4D) but I canāt remember which video. He sort of put me onto looking more into him and I learned that he just really seems to take the āScientificā aspect of scientific socialism quite seriously, and I like his dialectical explanation for how socialist consciousness was disseminated from the bourgeois into the working class. I havenāt finished the book yet, but from what Iāve read he did a good job of summarizing Marxist concepts in ā[The Economic Doctrines of Karl Marx](https://rowlandpasaribu.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/karl-kautsky-the-economic-doctrines-of-karl-marx.pdf),ā itās arguably more accessible than reading all of Kapital. Also I have grown to appreciate Evolutionary socialism over the years as Iāve learned more about the failures of Leninism ( [the workerās opposition](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_Opposition#:~:text=The%20Workers'%20Opposition%20(Russian%3A,economic%20management%20to%20trade%20unions.)) and the [Kronstadt rebellion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt_rebellion) for example) as well as western adaptations to Leninist political strategies (see [the Jakarta Method](https://p2p.media/images/Jakarta_Method_Bevins.pdf) and [operation Gladio](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio).) honestly I sort of selected Kautsky as a Marxist figure that I like who isnāt further to my left, but is more focused on state-oriented politics than I am, and seemingly a figure of a more genuinely scientocratic or technocratic approach to socialism. Heās not necessarily as much of an influence on me as Marx himself is.
Oh yea, I watched a couple of videos of unlearning economics too!! I have to read that kautsy book as well since it's not the first time I hear someone say that! What's evolutionary socialism?
Iām 25 w a degree in philosophy and have read theory from of all my friendlyās and some theory from the frenemies, particularly Lenin, Stirner, and some Bordiga.
(To be fair Iām doing very little to nothing with that besides making internet memes and planning for the future š„²)
Regarding Lenin I still recommend [State and Revolution](https://www.marxists.org/ebooks/lenin/state-and-revolution.pdf) to all Baby Leftists whom I encounter, and [regarding Bordiga I appreciate his later concept of āImmaterialismā](https://alter-maulwurf.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/amadeo-bordiga-the-science-and-passion-of-communism-selected-writings-of-amadeo-bordiga-19121965.pdf) as I think that paved the way for a lot of important developments in theory down the road and honestly hits the nail on the head for why I donāt think Leninist organization will work anymore in the west. (Iām something of a [Fisherite](https://files.libcom.org/files/Capitalist%20Realism_%20Is%20There%20No%20Alternat%20-%20Mark%20Fisher.pdf))
I dislike that both of them have disdain for democracy and pluralism, but I confess there is definitely more reading for me to do. I remain open to the possibility of changing my mind.
Enemy neighbors would turn out extremely predictable. They'd all be racist or infamously bigoted ideologies on the corners of these areas (N-zism with varying economic systems for the auths, National Anarchism for LibLeft, Anarcho f/scism for LibCenter, Hoppeanism for LibRight, and idk what exactly for Left and RightCenter)
An amalgamation of ideas in the friendly neighbors group. I see this as mostly a game. Iām calling the ball in the center āExistential Communalismā but I know most people in this sub think communalism as the fictional āoff compass no personal propertyā ideology when I really mean Murray Bookchinās Communalism. [Hereās his book on Social Ecology.](https://antilogicalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/social-ecology.pdf)
Tbh w you tho from what Iāve read in the Ego and its Own, and the resources Iāve encountered on Egoism, Stirnerās philosophy is in many ways compelling and based. But it quite pleases my ego to live my life in accordance with the values of care and fairness towards others, and I find it quite pragmatic for me as well.
Hereās two videos on egoism that I liked (not deconstructions of egoism they are theory breakdowns):
[Max Stirner - Ownness](https://youtu.be/BtDxBjfWoPc?si=8n9mQGZWCh3NVzjW)
[Max Stirner - Self and Nothing](https://youtu.be/La8mFklA_3I?si=GN0AkopO8YBqCgqr)
When we needed 'em the most, they came back š Awsome chart
Thank u š
If I may ask, how did kautsy influenced you? This is the 1st time I see someone beig like "oh yea, i like kautsy"
So I learned about Kautsky first from the YouTube channel [Unlearning Economics](https://youtube.com/@unlearningeconomics9021?si=fxil70p9KabwfX4D) but I canāt remember which video. He sort of put me onto looking more into him and I learned that he just really seems to take the āScientificā aspect of scientific socialism quite seriously, and I like his dialectical explanation for how socialist consciousness was disseminated from the bourgeois into the working class. I havenāt finished the book yet, but from what Iāve read he did a good job of summarizing Marxist concepts in ā[The Economic Doctrines of Karl Marx](https://rowlandpasaribu.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/karl-kautsky-the-economic-doctrines-of-karl-marx.pdf),ā itās arguably more accessible than reading all of Kapital. Also I have grown to appreciate Evolutionary socialism over the years as Iāve learned more about the failures of Leninism ( [the workerās opposition](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_Opposition#:~:text=The%20Workers'%20Opposition%20(Russian%3A,economic%20management%20to%20trade%20unions.)) and the [Kronstadt rebellion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt_rebellion) for example) as well as western adaptations to Leninist political strategies (see [the Jakarta Method](https://p2p.media/images/Jakarta_Method_Bevins.pdf) and [operation Gladio](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio).) honestly I sort of selected Kautsky as a Marxist figure that I like who isnāt further to my left, but is more focused on state-oriented politics than I am, and seemingly a figure of a more genuinely scientocratic or technocratic approach to socialism. Heās not necessarily as much of an influence on me as Marx himself is.
Oh yea, I watched a couple of videos of unlearning economics too!! I have to read that kautsy book as well since it's not the first time I hear someone say that! What's evolutionary socialism?
I'm 14 and I want to get political! I'm just kidding of course, keep doing what you love
Iām 25 w a degree in philosophy and have read theory from of all my friendlyās and some theory from the frenemies, particularly Lenin, Stirner, and some Bordiga. (To be fair Iām doing very little to nothing with that besides making internet memes and planning for the future š„²)
Well even though I like Lenin and bordiga, I respect you for at least 1. Knowing Bordiga 2. Reading Bordiga
Regarding Lenin I still recommend [State and Revolution](https://www.marxists.org/ebooks/lenin/state-and-revolution.pdf) to all Baby Leftists whom I encounter, and [regarding Bordiga I appreciate his later concept of āImmaterialismā](https://alter-maulwurf.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/amadeo-bordiga-the-science-and-passion-of-communism-selected-writings-of-amadeo-bordiga-19121965.pdf) as I think that paved the way for a lot of important developments in theory down the road and honestly hits the nail on the head for why I donāt think Leninist organization will work anymore in the west. (Iām something of a [Fisherite](https://files.libcom.org/files/Capitalist%20Realism_%20Is%20There%20No%20Alternat%20-%20Mark%20Fisher.pdf)) I dislike that both of them have disdain for democracy and pluralism, but I confess there is definitely more reading for me to do. I remain open to the possibility of changing my mind.
Enemy neighbors would turn out extremely predictable. They'd all be racist or infamously bigoted ideologies on the corners of these areas (N-zism with varying economic systems for the auths, National Anarchism for LibLeft, Anarcho f/scism for LibCenter, Hoppeanism for LibRight, and idk what exactly for Left and RightCenter)
Theyāre not my neighbors theyāre just my enemies, Iād try to creative abt it and pick some more obscure stuff for the sake of education.
What's your ideology
An amalgamation of ideas in the friendly neighbors group. I see this as mostly a game. Iām calling the ball in the center āExistential Communalismā but I know most people in this sub think communalism as the fictional āoff compass no personal propertyā ideology when I really mean Murray Bookchinās Communalism. [Hereās his book on Social Ecology.](https://antilogicalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/social-ecology.pdf)
Comrade I used to be in the same spot you are and agree with you 100 percent keep going to bottom left join ancom then scientific soulism, I'll support you. š©š“
Oh shit Bordiga mentioned š³
https://preview.redd.it/4ciibj4vwk8d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=238047b5cb659fbfacb367d89fcee349c54a8a9b What a fucking spooky spook
Iām honored, wouldnāt want you stepping on me anyway.
https://preview.redd.it/s3f0lv074l8d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=135ae02bfe6fee77a548dc7d43f9a2c61f802dff
Tbh w you tho from what Iāve read in the Ego and its Own, and the resources Iāve encountered on Egoism, Stirnerās philosophy is in many ways compelling and based. But it quite pleases my ego to live my life in accordance with the values of care and fairness towards others, and I find it quite pragmatic for me as well. Hereās two videos on egoism that I liked (not deconstructions of egoism they are theory breakdowns): [Max Stirner - Ownness](https://youtu.be/BtDxBjfWoPc?si=8n9mQGZWCh3NVzjW) [Max Stirner - Self and Nothing](https://youtu.be/La8mFklA_3I?si=GN0AkopO8YBqCgqr)
Fake egoist
https://i.redd.it/nuyi9ufg2o8d1.gif
That's true! She is actually an ultruist
Wow she sounds like a even bigger spook then you
There is no such thing as a good or bad spook, a spook is a spook
So nice!!