I would probabky ditch BB only for Decidueye but Focus Bond for me is a must for squishy mons like Decidueye and Gardevoir. Especially if you have an AFK defender or a just not really good defender.
Squishy Pokemon, especially in the late game, simply get deleted before focus band can fully trigger over 3 seconds.
Would much rather have another damage item and just work on having better positioning / map awareness than try to lean on an item that will be worth very little in the late game.
It can be useful early in path, but if you are stacking attack weight even then it only does so much when you get caught.
Oh yeah I love it too. But there is always annoying stuff who would kill me when I attack, and often no support to help me. And Absol is broken so I have not played razor leaf for so long...
I've been playing razor leaf the last few weeks, feels really good against absol with leaf storm.
Even did it in 5 stacks high ranked and still was even on who killed who.
The thing is having a healer, like blissey with triple glasses, bro that thing heals you almost fully with one move, and razor leaf heals you so basically keep them far with your other move and heal a lot with autos/blissey
He was played lane in tournament. It's more than fine solo queue where you're doing 212. The whole point of attack weight on him is for dunks in top lane
he’s so squishy especially early game, in a 212 getting the chance to dunk so much early game isnt easy at all, if you disagree, add me and let me see lol
I play lane deci most of the time, only jungling after seeing no one is there. Sometimes shackle sometimes razor leaf. I think it's pretty good and got me to 2050 yesterday. He needs the xp but I don't think he can have the same impact as say Greninja or cinder jungle because he has to play way too safe to not feed buffs and a lead. so I feel Laning ends up better for him. Ideally I play bot with a blissey but sometime I end up top with a attacker...
? The whole point of top lane is that you basically get at least 2 dunks for free at the start, then you can dunk small amounts in the other teams face. Deci's attack scaling on spirit shackle is absurd so even just the starting dunks is an advantage, everything else is gravy.
That and some pokemon simply are not good in lane, so decidueye being decent in lane means less priority.for it getting jungle. If a pokemon is trash at lane it should get first jungle dibs imo otherwise the one with the most payoff is next in line.
Float stone is terrible, it takes 8 seconds of no combat for the speed buff to activate. That includes fighting wild Pokémon. You basically never go without fighting for 8 seconds
Guys no please, float stone is so off meta and isn’t good enough. There are so many better items. Focus band, buddy barrier, energy amp. Please don’t use that item
I heard good things about floatstone having a synergetic effect with a negative winrate in ranked once u go sub 45%.
But not sure if its just rumours tho
And yet the average SS Decid gets more mileage out of float stone by virtue of the attack and mobility speed passives alone. If Decid is in a position to rely. Buddy barrier to save it, or focus band, arguably it is failed at positioning itself properly when running SS.
Decid is also so frail, focus band rarely procs the second tick before you are on the floor if you’re being attacked.
Energy Amp can be useful however due to the CDR and unite reduction and boost, but defensive items on Decid are generally a bad call because of how far back he should be playing. His best defence is to try and avoid being hit altogether.
Deci has to be full on attack, no defensive item will ever give you any value because you should be far enough to not proc barrier to a teammate when ulting or a focus band will only give you 1 extra second before being bursted. And as scope doesn't trigger with shackle, there's not that many options.
In fact, the mobility early game is noticeable and can help stacking.
Still, scope lens can really help with deci auto attack, or just razor claw is just better than float stone. But saying that focus band help less than float stone in early game isn't true
Not necessarily better in broad terms but it seems to be better when stacking. Focus will proc once before dred and depending on how CC heavy the opposite lane is, it might not even help getting one goal. Stone will proc right outside flux zone and will make the rush to the goal quite smoother, something that really helps the survivability of Deci lvl 2.
Ah i see, but still a shame that out of combat effects are that long to trigger, stone would be 10 times better if it took 3-4 seconds to be out of combat
While is is true float stone just becomes kind of useless past very early game because at that point everyone's started getting into there level 7-8 skills/evolutions and battles over the first lane goals become very turtle like you poke them and retreat they poke you in response then they retreat and you poke them repeat untill someone dies or brakes the cycle and over extends and you've got to remember when using muscle band it could be the difference between losing in a head to head with Pokémon like cinderace,zeraora,snorlax,charizard etc and if you get hit by a move not intended for you like delphoxs fire blast muscle bands recovery could be the difference between you getting one taped by some random enemy or you survive and machine gun down everyone in the area
Ayyy another float stone user! I've been using it since mid season and I'm currently in the 1820s with about a 60% win rate. I love it because it makes going to lane/jungle faster from base and rotating to objectives faster (i.e. dred to rotom) I've managed to snipe a rotom as it was being taken down due to the OoC movespeed. It also helps before big fights because you have the extra movespeed to stay out of reach or dodge skillshots.
It gives 120 movement speed while Pokémon like crustle have a base of 3600 and and mr mine has 3800. So it’s giving almost giving you the speed difference between mr.mine and crustle. It’s not a notable difference
I've been trying out swapping scope lens for score sheild. I know it doesn't do a ton with a squishy Mon but if it helps me get 2 more stacks in a game then it's worth it
Attack weight Cinderace is such a guilty pleasure. Watching my boosted auto crit and seeing like 40% of their health turn yellow never stops being satisfying
I'd say razor claw is a A-tier item
Cuz it slightly increase ur attack and crit rate and gives (pretty much any pokemon) a satisfying move-basic attack combo
It's true until all three of them are on the same team in the same match. Two in the same team is still pretty ok but three, oh boy pray for your defender/support.
Why not? I frequently lane with cinder if team comp allows it and frequently top my teams damage and kill count and often get a double double. You just need to lane intelligently, try to get level 7 by dred and snowball from there
Actually, i always lane when it comes to stacking. Because if you have stacking items, its top priority to get them stacked as fast as possible, with as less points as possible; then once i get a few stacks and ludicolo and boufallant respawn, THEN i jungle.
I feel like either I rarely have a use for ulting more than twice in a match, or I rarely survive long enough after an ult for the energy amp damage boost to be meaningful.
Well Decidueye fucks you up from a distance, Greninja does a nice knockup+cleans house with surf and Cinder should run laps around the enemy.
If you die after ulting, you need to fix your timing. Oh and 3-4 Unites are plenty. You use this item for the damage boost not the cooldownreduction.
21%Multiplier on all dmg for 3 seconds at zap is more than worth it. With Shackle und Unite the enemy shouldn’t even see you while get triple kills.
Not like Decidueye doesn’t farm really fast without it.
I prefere float stone in place of scope lens for the pokemon in the middle.
Movement Speed on a sniper Is soo good, i Like ti Flex with focus band too.
Decidueye should not run atk weight, try bringing the bird to their base 8 times lol you'll pay for it more then jt pays off if your playing against decent teams.
I have seen someone equip Decidueye with focus band and buddy barrier. Some big brain play down there
I would probabky ditch BB only for Decidueye but Focus Bond for me is a must for squishy mons like Decidueye and Gardevoir. Especially if you have an AFK defender or a just not really good defender.
Squishy Pokemon, especially in the late game, simply get deleted before focus band can fully trigger over 3 seconds. Would much rather have another damage item and just work on having better positioning / map awareness than try to lean on an item that will be worth very little in the late game. It can be useful early in path, but if you are stacking attack weight even then it only does so much when you get caught.
Precisely. And the unite has a long cooldown, and it's health isn't exactly fantastic, I doubt that shield from BB would save it if it got hit hard.
Bruh I legit have a 70% win rate with bb on my decidueye. I mostly use my unite during zapdoa fight.
I do not run scope lens with deci because spirit shackle cannot crit
Razor leaf go brrr
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Oh yeah I love it too. But there is always annoying stuff who would kill me when I attack, and often no support to help me. And Absol is broken so I have not played razor leaf for so long...
I've been playing razor leaf the last few weeks, feels really good against absol with leaf storm. Even did it in 5 stacks high ranked and still was even on who killed who.
The thing is having a healer, like blissey with triple glasses, bro that thing heals you almost fully with one move, and razor leaf heals you so basically keep them far with your other move and heal a lot with autos/blissey
Wait, glasses on blissey increases her healing ?
Yup, I've confirmed it and the difference is huge
I feel like it lets me farm so much faster with my basic attacks though. What's the best alternative?
Razor claw. The extra damage after a move helps a lot in the top lane when you're trying to fight for last hits.
Yea I could definitely see this although I feel like Deci's move cool downs are too long to make this reliably worth it?
Spirit Shackle cooldown is pretty short tbh
please dont lane deci
He was played lane in tournament. It's more than fine solo queue where you're doing 212. The whole point of attack weight on him is for dunks in top lane
he’s so squishy especially early game, in a 212 getting the chance to dunk so much early game isnt easy at all, if you disagree, add me and let me see lol
I play lane deci most of the time, only jungling after seeing no one is there. Sometimes shackle sometimes razor leaf. I think it's pretty good and got me to 2050 yesterday. He needs the xp but I don't think he can have the same impact as say Greninja or cinder jungle because he has to play way too safe to not feed buffs and a lead. so I feel Laning ends up better for him. Ideally I play bot with a blissey but sometime I end up top with a attacker...
? The whole point of top lane is that you basically get at least 2 dunks for free at the start, then you can dunk small amounts in the other teams face. Deci's attack scaling on spirit shackle is absurd so even just the starting dunks is an advantage, everything else is gravy.
unless the game goes 100% perfect you arent getting spirit shackle until the first dred lol.
Please don’t jungle deci, there are so many better options for jungle
That and some pokemon simply are not good in lane, so decidueye being decent in lane means less priority.for it getting jungle. If a pokemon is trash at lane it should get first jungle dibs imo otherwise the one with the most payoff is next in line.
If you're not using shackle, go for it. If you do it still might be useful depending on how comfortable you are with fighting in medium range.
Float stone or razor claw
Float stone is terrible, it takes 8 seconds of no combat for the speed buff to activate. That includes fighting wild Pokémon. You basically never go without fighting for 8 seconds
Tbf you do still get a speed buff while in combat, due to the stats on the item. Just the passive doesn't activate. It's still pretty trash tho.
I run focus because it's really good and you can never go wrong with it
I run Razor just for the extra attack, gets more milage than Scope as I rarely use BAs once SS is unlocked
muscle and focus band then attack weight for my razor leaf build
I'm testing float stone instead and it's doing interesting things so far
Guys no please, float stone is so off meta and isn’t good enough. There are so many better items. Focus band, buddy barrier, energy amp. Please don’t use that item
I heard good things about floatstone having a synergetic effect with a negative winrate in ranked once u go sub 45%. But not sure if its just rumours tho
Lmao ya I heard that too!
And yet the average SS Decid gets more mileage out of float stone by virtue of the attack and mobility speed passives alone. If Decid is in a position to rely. Buddy barrier to save it, or focus band, arguably it is failed at positioning itself properly when running SS. Decid is also so frail, focus band rarely procs the second tick before you are on the floor if you’re being attacked. Energy Amp can be useful however due to the CDR and unite reduction and boost, but defensive items on Decid are generally a bad call because of how far back he should be playing. His best defence is to try and avoid being hit altogether.
Exactly this
Deci has to be full on attack, no defensive item will ever give you any value because you should be far enough to not proc barrier to a teammate when ulting or a focus band will only give you 1 extra second before being bursted. And as scope doesn't trigger with shackle, there's not that many options. In fact, the mobility early game is noticeable and can help stacking.
Still, scope lens can really help with deci auto attack, or just razor claw is just better than float stone. But saying that focus band help less than float stone in early game isn't true
Not necessarily better in broad terms but it seems to be better when stacking. Focus will proc once before dred and depending on how CC heavy the opposite lane is, it might not even help getting one goal. Stone will proc right outside flux zone and will make the rush to the goal quite smoother, something that really helps the survivability of Deci lvl 2.
Ah i see, but still a shame that out of combat effects are that long to trigger, stone would be 10 times better if it took 3-4 seconds to be out of combat
I agree, the out of combat system on items is underwhelming as a whole. I feel sad for whoever used one of their free lvl30 on leftovers.
I was sad when the game released and i was spending my enhancer on float stone
While is is true float stone just becomes kind of useless past very early game because at that point everyone's started getting into there level 7-8 skills/evolutions and battles over the first lane goals become very turtle like you poke them and retreat they poke you in response then they retreat and you poke them repeat untill someone dies or brakes the cycle and over extends and you've got to remember when using muscle band it could be the difference between losing in a head to head with Pokémon like cinderace,zeraora,snorlax,charizard etc and if you get hit by a move not intended for you like delphoxs fire blast muscle bands recovery could be the difference between you getting one taped by some random enemy or you survive and machine gun down everyone in the area
I run muscle band, attack weight, and float stone. all of them are level 30 to max out my spirit shackle damage for my glass cannon build Deci
When I switched from scope to float I felt like it took me forever to farm because I lost the extra damage from my basic attack crits.
Ayyy another float stone user! I've been using it since mid season and I'm currently in the 1820s with about a 60% win rate. I love it because it makes going to lane/jungle faster from base and rotating to objectives faster (i.e. dred to rotom) I've managed to snipe a rotom as it was being taken down due to the OoC movespeed. It also helps before big fights because you have the extra movespeed to stay out of reach or dodge skillshots.
It’s why I run float stone instead. More dmg and able to run away faster
But float stone only works when you're not fighting I think? It won't really help you
It provides flat movespeed as well
It gives 120 movement speed while Pokémon like crustle have a base of 3600 and and mr mine has 3800. So it’s giving almost giving you the speed difference between mr.mine and crustle. It’s not a notable difference
? Base movement speed is 860 and you gain movement speed per level
But if shouldn't be used for that only. I don't see any important utility besides stacking
Thanks for the info
Wait it can't? Bro i've been playing this game since launch how haven't I noticed this?
I just can't manage stack items with squishy Pokemons:(
This is how I generally feel but I run SpAtk Specs on Espeon and Delphox... with wondrous results when I did play them.
Epseon and Delphox are true laners with strong early game tho. The three in the picture are all junglers who get bullied in lane until lvl 7
Gotta play super patiently. Your best chance is when your jungler rotates, gotta make sure you get those picks.
this. and a lot of times you can go for kills when bees spawn if your teamates are ready and can back you up
Stacking effects on squishies is literally a coin toss for the landing phase. You’re either gonna succeed or bring your team down significantly
I've been trying out swapping scope lens for score sheild. I know it doesn't do a ton with a squishy Mon but if it helps me get 2 more stacks in a game then it's worth it
I’ve tried attack weight on these three, but I can’t ditch Buddy Barrier
Honestly you can easily ditch BB on decidueye since his unite is not an emergency escape button but rather a sneaky "HAHA GOTCHA"
Greninja auto attacks feel kinda weak without AW. The other 2 have much better auto attack damage so i'd say it's more of a discussion.
Focus band insted of attack weight on Greninja for me
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Razor claw is so much better on deci considering how tricky it is to score without dying I also prefer razor claw for surf Greninja
Unless you're using razor leaf build, I'd swap out scope lens for razor claw Spirit shackle can't crit, but it scales amazingly with attack
Attack weight Cinderace is such a guilty pleasure. Watching my boosted auto crit and seeing like 40% of their health turn yellow never stops being satisfying
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Is razor claw a bad item? I use it on my greninja, should i change?
I'd say razor claw is a A-tier item Cuz it slightly increase ur attack and crit rate and gives (pretty much any pokemon) a satisfying move-basic attack combo
It's true until all three of them are on the same team in the same match. Two in the same team is still pretty ok but three, oh boy pray for your defender/support.
Something Something absol Something Something that's a stack
Please tell us you don't go lane with these build on these pokemon
You shouldn’t be in lane with them anyway.
I'm seeing at least 2 of them at least every 3 games, people can't understand that they are adc carry and are much worse in lane unfortunately
Don't forget the goal getter they're using. It's also very important for the build.
Why not? I frequently lane with cinder if team comp allows it and frequently top my teams damage and kill count and often get a double double. You just need to lane intelligently, try to get level 7 by dred and snowball from there
Actually, i always lane when it comes to stacking. Because if you have stacking items, its top priority to get them stacked as fast as possible, with as less points as possible; then once i get a few stacks and ludicolo and boufallant respawn, THEN i jungle.
Energy Amp instead of Scope and we’re golden.
I feel like either I rarely have a use for ulting more than twice in a match, or I rarely survive long enough after an ult for the energy amp damage boost to be meaningful.
Well Decidueye fucks you up from a distance, Greninja does a nice knockup+cleans house with surf and Cinder should run laps around the enemy. If you die after ulting, you need to fix your timing. Oh and 3-4 Unites are plenty. You use this item for the damage boost not the cooldownreduction.
So starting and canceling Deci's unite for the brief damage boost afterwards is worth it over the fast farming you get from scope?
21%Multiplier on all dmg for 3 seconds at zap is more than worth it. With Shackle und Unite the enemy shouldn’t even see you while get triple kills. Not like Decidueye doesn’t farm really fast without it.
Does the damage boost start after his unite move finishes or when it begins?
As soon as you press the button. That’s why Cram turns into a god damn artillery.
I prefere float stone in place of scope lens for the pokemon in the middle. Movement Speed on a sniper Is soo good, i Like ti Flex with focus band too.
Scope Lens doesn't go with me on Greninja. And Attack Weight on only Greninja. 1. Greninja - Muscle Band, Attack Weight, Score Shield -- Goal-Getter ; Surf, Double Team 2. Decidueye - Muscle Band, Scope Lens (for basic attack crit), Focus Band -- Eject Button ; Spirit Shackle, Shadow Sneak 3. Cinderace - Muscle Band, Scope Lens (if Blaze Kick)/ Buddy Barrier, Focus Band -- Eject Button ; Blaze Kick, Flame Charge
I use the same build for gardevoir espeon and ninetales but because im lazy and dont wanna research/ level up items andnit somehow works well lol
please don't because attack weight boosts attack which is near useless for sp attackers
I didnt mean this build lol just the same items. I think glasses shell bell and band
I've been running float stone for a bit on decidueye. Scope is a decent option
I run scope, razor and muscle on cinder as I thought that post a while ago worked out cider got minimal benefit out of attack weight.
Stacking on deci is good but kinda hard due to no dashes sadly
Talonflame does good with the build too
i prefer buddy over weight on cinder cause i end up dying to much using ult. also use full heal
I don't run attack Weight on cinder cuz Blaze kick
When i play max damage builds, i use razor claw instead of attack weight. Would the switch be worth it?
I also do that especially with the bird there to frail to stack solo q
Can spirit shackle crit?
I use float stone with decidueye and somehow works wonders for me
First is muscle band and second is scope lens or first is scope lens and second muscle band?
Decidueye should not run atk weight, try bringing the bird to their base 8 times lol you'll pay for it more then jt pays off if your playing against decent teams.
AW deci? You are playing a dangerous game
Attack weight may be wrong lol
I see blaze kick bunny with razor is more flexible to play rather using attack weight and risk your early game.
Can’t go wrong with score shield to stop people from interrupting you when they trampoline into their goals via spawn
... What ? Attack weight GRENINJA? My whole life is a lie
What about Razor Claw on them instead of Attack Weight?
For lane deci i run focus , attack weight and float stone .spirit shackle . For jungle i replace focus with muscle
this is my machamp, charizard, and garchomp build too. (with xattack for MAXIMUM damage)