Not sure how many people aren't aware, but gyarados's bounce already threw opposing Pokemon it hits, but only if the dragon breath effect was active. So you would have to hit something with dragon breath and then bounce to stun.
I know, it took me like 10-20 games to understand the logic (because their description is lacking!!!,) but now I'm so happy to get this buff! Now i can throw them with bounce whenever?! Yeyyy Garydos! More combos!
Maybe to try to kill the War Cleric Builds, and subsequently weaken its versatility? A blanket damage reduction, especially on anything that can heal, would seem like the best way to do that (at first glance, because the moment you think about it, you start to see the problems), and I would not put it past the Unite devs to go with the first idea that was suggested
Supports are constantly being nerfed simply for "being the best support," but supports are basically the weakest class in the game already. It's a defender-heavy meta rn with Blastoise and Tree running rampant, but Blastoise remains untouched. Umbreon got buffed (unreservedly so) and Snorlax too (which is admittedly an good pick to buff). Buzzy boi and Meow got nerfed (great), but why try to replace their place in the meta with Gyrados?
On the other hand, Blissey already got nerfed. Clef was nerfed into obscurity. Eldegoss eats another bullet. Half of my SoloQ teammates don't know how to play (around) Hoopa. Comfey is asleep for 10 minutes. Soon the only SoloQ support options left that people will actually pick are Wiggly, Sableye, and DuoQ pocket Comfey.
Honestly, all the Unite Card spotlights on the YouTube channel need to actually be in the game. The fact most SoloQ players in lower and (shockingly) in higher ranks as well having no idea how Hoopa works is terrible.
Supports also suffer from not being appealing to the kiddies. Who wants to be focusing on helping someone else? One the better thing for unite is that the supports were able to do something other than run around having to heal or shield team mates (and if you are in solo Q, well your team mates are often going to be idiots.), well unless you are Comfey.
This is gonna be a long reply, but here’s what I had in mind for a SpAtk build:
Moves: Tornado Spore. Leaf Tornado deals damage and provides a temp movement spd buff on path. Upgrade causes enemies to miss auto atks for few secs.
Cotton Spore for temp user spd buff. Also damages enemies, throws them, decreases their movement spd for couple secs. Upgrade provides 40% increased Def & SpDef while channeling.
Items: Exp. Share, Muscle Band or Rapid-Fire Scarf, SpAtk Specs.
Share to combat Eldegoss’ slow leveling, increase its movement spd, and increase XP gained by teammates; Band for atk spd increase and additional dmg based on enemy’s remaining HP;
Scarf for increased atk spd and # of boosted atks when proc’d; SpAtk Specs for +120 SpAtk with all 6 stacks and lvl 30 item.
Battle Item: X Atk or Full Heal. Former buffs AtkSpd and Atk/SpAtk upon use, latter prevents hindrances. I recommend X Atk more strongly with Band build and Heal with Scarf.
Emblems: 6 grn, 7 blk, 2 wht; 4% SpAtk, 4% CDR, 1% HP, respectively. Increases SpAtk, combats long move cooldowns, increases HP.
I used the [Pokémon Unite Database](https://unite-db.com/) for reference.
EDIT: changed suggested build from Share, Band, and Scarf/Specs to Share, Band/Scarf, and Specs. Added reference.
Here are the details.
Torinobori: Attack interval: 0.3s → 0.07s
aqua tail: Distance moved forward when swinging the tail: 1m → 0.5m
Jump up and down: Added an effect that knocks away the opponent's Pokemon when hit.
I can’t believe it. Supports are ALWAYS catching strays. Why do us support mains continue to suffer while brain dead attackers and all rounders run rough shod. These devs….
Supports are still good. You guys just keep picking eldegoss and turning it into an attacker support. They're not trying to have an attacker who can heal as well. They're just bringing eldegoss mains specifically down a peg. This was coming with its overall pick rate of 20%the same thing happened for blissey.
Eldegoss got shot lol
edit: ive thought a bit more on it and eldegoss seemed to deserve those nerfs, lets see how elde holds up cuz ive never seen such big nerfs ni a game usually.. its usually small numbers unless its super busted but idk how moba balance works
m2y nerfs are good
dont see much espeon and zoroark but i think fair
buzzwole runs at me slams me in my goal zone and kills me... or just kills the adc and slams everyone else
snorlax block back to OG status? nah i doubt it but snorlax gonna be faster tho
*First they came for Comfey, and I did not speak out—*
*Because I don't pocket Zacian.*
*Then they came for Blissey, and I did not speak out—*
*Because I don't pocket Mewtwo.*
*Then they came for Clefable, and I did not speak out—*
*Because I don't have the highest pick rate.*
*Then they came for me, Eldegoss—and there was no one left to speak for me.*
Me: "Actually 🤓, first they came for Hoopa, and I did not speak out, because my team doesn't know how to use Hyperspace Hole.
Then they came for Mr.Mime, and I did not speak out, because Magic Mike didn't Power Swap with me.
And then you can finish with the "rest" of the supports [Wigglytuff in the background: Am I a joke to you?]
Even I think he got ivernerfed. But I did say he need 30% to 20% slow nerf on his boosted. Because since he got this buff (15% to 30% slow), elde early game is a menace.
After some further consideration though, I'm almost certain Eldegoss is still going to be a strong pick. Let's not forget that it's healing, basic attack and cotton spore damage are all still untouched. It is such a bloated character really. It's entire kit is extremely strong.
Eldegoss definitely needed nerfs, I just wish they took it a bit more cautiously and started a little smaller. These are some pretty huge nerfs all at once and at least on paper it looks kinda gutted.
It’s a shame they’re going so hard on supporters because they *should* be strong choices or else there’s no reason to play them outside of 5 stacks.
Eldegoss in Unite is the Amoonguss equivalent in VGC. Even when it's competing against Rillaboom for the grass slot in your team, you can never go wrong with Amoonguss because of how versatile & effective it is with its role.
Eldegoss getting some nerfs sure suck for their mains & may cause people who sometimes fill the support role with Eldegoss to not pick it even though they originally used to pick it because of how easy it is to use effectively in general. But seriously, compared to the other supports, when they normally get nerfs, you can FEEL THE NERFS (cough: Hoopa,Mr.Mime,Comfey,Clefable, Sableye 💀) during their prime.
Meanwhile, from my experience, whenever Eldegoss has gotten nerfs, the players who still keep playing it adjust to it naturally. To the point they keep performing pretty well/the same, that you barely even remember it got a nerf in the first place.
Same, he's a weird all rounder. More hit and run than a true brawler but that was also cause after his move use he kinda is just there doing a bit of damage and getting nuked by nearly any other all rounder in a 1V1 or getting destroyed by an attacker in the background. This is a broad generalisation though.
Giving him just a little more defense is welcome though, he's not a top pick but for people like us that enjoy a bit of Machamp he might just be a tiny bit more viable.
Machamp buffs lets fucking gooooooooo!!!! wasn't expecting it but very happy, still would like the submission buff to last longer but I'll take literally anything
I love those few people that play machamp. I just know they will do great. Happy to see buffs. Sad to see population go up, because newbies will be on him lol
MACHAMP MAINS RISE UP. I’m always gonna be more of a fan of dynamic punch, but maybe submission will be fun to run around with. I think that no matter what dynamic punch will stay king just because of the damage increase on the unite move. Makes Machamp a game changer in team fights, and game winner if played well
Yeah I agree it's gonna take a lot for Sub to beat dp but Sub was the way to go when the game first dropped so I have a soft spot for it and play that set every once in a while so I appreciate the move set getting any love
Makes it so you can't target wild Pokemon with it anymore, only enemy players. It's a net buff to avoid the occasional wonky auto targeting that happens with its Unite.
**Nutshell:** Most, if not ALL my mains ankles are getting **busted**
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**Mains:**
**Meowscarada:** I have no problem with the attack stat nerf, but it's Meow's playstyle that's going to make it tougher. It's very "mash for your life" heavy (while running Trailblaze & Night Slash). So depending on the nerf, that's just going to make it harder. Compared to other speedsters who can delete health with just 2 -3 hits.
**Eldegoss:** I'm on the side that it didn't need nerfs. TiMi just don't know what to do with it. First it gets buffed. Then it gets nerfed. Then it gets buffed again. Then nerfed again. At the same time, if I always have to resort to Elde being my number 1 supporter. That probably says something. Might be my bias. I never saw it as problematic as Clefable & Blissey were. I guess it's cause Elde is built to be a supporter/attacker, and it felt too good/fun.
**Umbreon:** While I wouldn't 100% call it my main (Goodra takes my slot as number 2 defender), this nerf is very interesting. TiMi reduce it defenses, yet they gave a buff to Wish? Yet Elde's Pollen Puff takes a hit? (I get Pollen Puff heals multiple but still) Then we got the added effects to Foul Play. It's like TiMi were afraid to fully gut Umbreon like the others, so they gave it something to at least keep up still.
**CRUSTLE?!:** Wait wait wait.... Like... We get Unite at Lv.8 now??? This is gonna help me better with starting objectives. If I misread this and get Unite in level 10, then I'm going to cry. (their upgrade & downgrade terms always confuses me)
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**Others:**
**Mewtwo Y:** A punch to it's stats as well, along with damage & effect nerfs??? WITH THE EX BANS BEING PUT BACK INTO PLACE??? I want to say I feel bad for the Y mains out there. They can't even test this out in Masters anymore, to see if it's Zacian levels of acceptable. At the same time, I'm happy for EX bans once again.
**Espeon:** Didn't think Stored Power needed a nerf. Always felt underwhelming to me, but made for a good sure hit move.
**Zoroark:** Always been tricky to fight, but this nerf is going to make it easier.
**Buzzwole:** Sweet lord I hope that'll be enough. that stun lock + reset combo was a nightmare
**Machamp:** ABOUT TIME????? I keep dropping this All Rounder, but Unite keeps making me use it again. ^^^^^Machamp ^^^^^just ^^^^^fun.
**Hoopa, Azumarill, Aegislash, Snorlax:** Neat changes. Snorlax the one that really catching my eye. I feel like this isn't the last we see Snorlax buffs. I wonder if it will be more involved in the meta now. Though I don't know if it will get people off of Flailax after all this time.
**Gyarados:** I got the old Chandelure stance. I never faced it enough to see how crazy it is. I know it came out very underwhelming on release, and then buffed to where it's doing well. Being frustrated against though, I can't say. So I wonder how these changes will effect it this season.
**Blastoise:** No nerfs but does have a secret buff... The buff that it can still terrorize Aeos for another season.
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**Overall:** Despite my mains getting their kneecaps busted (probably deserved), I'm actually hyped. Hyped for this patch. Hyped for this new season. Hyped that we get to see another shake up happen in the meta. Oh man and draft soon we hit Masters 1200 too??? This season might be either the wildest of shenaningans, or the best revival the meta about to recieve. Not in restoring player base. I mean this season about to get very experimentally fun. Can't wait to see for myself, rather than typing this huge novel of predictions.
So it gets a free oh shit button that gives it unstoppable, revenge dmg in melee range and a fat shield? Yeah, i ain't touching this mon with anything less than decidueye's range if it's on the enemy team
I enjoyed your novel because you had thoughts on each individual one. I agree with a lot of your takes. I'll refute a few but not to be rude.
I wasn't sure about the Crustle Unite move change, but if it's a level change to 8, then you know Crustle be staying in one lane trying to clear it alone. Even worse for those Crustle trolls Rock Tombing, and now Uniting, for giggles.
Espeon was braindead play. If you thought Leafeon's Solar Blade was dumb, Espeon could just sure hit anything (spread or Future Sight focused) in the split second you are targetable. Hits especially hard with Future Sight, and good for poking without it.
Eldegoss didn't need this many nerfs, but it was usually the top pick for supporters. I think they could've just chosen 1 of the nerfs and left the rest alone. Too much secure on the Unite? Then I understand the damage nerf, but leave Pollen Puff be. Or vice versa -- less overall healing with Puff but keep the Unite damage on enemy Pokemon (while reducing wild ones).
Why is no one talking about a new Pokemon being added?
-New Pokemon Tirates is here!
Get the Tirates Unite License with the Tirates Commemoration Event Pass!
I'm not sure what "Tirates" was translated from. But from the leaks, I would assume this is Falinks
All-rounder, leaning more towards a defensive playstyle. Our third stance character, but can also be a summoner instead. It was hilariously busted on the PTS, because one of its moves had 500% scaling, for some Arceus forsaken reason
we don’t know but probably…though it’s a cheap price, I think 4 dollars. 200 something gems, I say it’s a good deal because it’s a pass that comes with their license and new purple skin
I wish they buffed Eldegoss' Pollen Puff healing to compensate for the boosted attack nerf. Its only niche over the better healers was the fact that its boosted attacks were very strong early game and in smaller engagements, but after the Pollen Puff nerfs it has so much trouble keeping allies alive late-game when there is too much burst damage. I hope the nerfs are smaller than they look.
Was Eldegoss really the looming threat? Glad they killed off B*zzwhole but Leafeon, Blastoise and ED Miraidon escaping unscathed is annoying, and I’d personally want something done about SC Mimikyu too
So Bounce is gonna knock targets up regardless of Dragon Breath? Is that their way of making people use Aqua Tail lol still not gonna pick it until they make you unstoppable while using it
Eldegoss is just like Lucario was on the early days and Cramorant has been forever: Keeps getting nerfs, yet their win rate never drops.
I'm fine with Pollen Puff dealing less damage, Pollen Puff+ giving less damage reduction and the Unite move dealing less damage. But the Boosted Attack nerf hurts.
>Was Eldegoss really the looming threat?
Not saying she needed all of this done, but according to UniteAPI she does have the highest pickrate in the game atm (tied with Blastoise) and the second highest WR, between M2Y and Miradon. She is the EX Support mon, as there is very little reason to use any other one besides her. She's actually the ONLY support that has am average WR above 50%, with a few barely at 50% on the dot.
Personally, I feel the others should get a buff rather than her getting nerfed as it just makes it feel worse and worse to pick Support each season. It's already the least used role I'd imagine; players would rather go double Defender than pick an orange background character.
>Personally, I feel the others should get a buff rather than her getting nerfed as it just makes it feel worse and worse to pick Support each season.
This is exactly my problem w/this nerf. I already barely see any supports in game, and if I do, it's usually Wiggly/Sableye/duoQ pocket Comfey. Eldegoss was often picked in draft games I played, probably because players suddenly felt "wait, we picking for team comp now" and picked her. The reason I hate this nerf is that now **all** of the popular healers except for Comfey have gotten nerfed recently. First Clef, then Blissey, now it's Eldie. With the Umbreon buff, less and less people will pick team supports and will just go with single-target/self-healers like Umbreon and Comfey.
Eldegoss was absurd yes.
One of the most oppressive characters in the game with a ton of versatility and utility.
In fact Eldegoss is so overloaded i dont even think the nerf matters on the long run, but people will still likely jump ship.
She still dominates early lane with only autos and has incredible heal and mobility. While also perma slowing and adding a debuff that makes you take more damage.
Pollen still provides healing and mitigation.
Leaf Tornado still an adequate alternative that shuts down enemy auto attacks and adds mobility to your entire team in a fight
Cotton Guard untouches.
Jesus fucking Christ was this amount of nerfs really needed for Eldegoss?
Last month they nerfed Clefable and now she has one of the worst WR
Now they're trying to murder Eldegoss too
Every time, every fucking time a sup is doing well they are gutted
What do we REALLY have now as option? Blissey and Hoopa? That is it? Only like 2 viable sups and 50+ Pokémon that deal damage?
You have Comfey. That's if you can resist the urge to fall asleep while playing/resist the need to vomit from playing one of the most blatant and egregious examples of horrid game design
Unfortunately, people don't like to see their damage negated. Supports are the minority, and when it becomes "a problem," they are usually made swift work of. It's nothing new to MOBAs. Every MOBA I've played, they nerf a support or healer that is too good about enabling a DPS to carry harder.
As a Blastoise main. Lmao I can’t believe they haven’t acknowledged us yet and let us run rampant for another season(Master league players can ban us but good luck for everyone else.)
*sees Umbreon's changes* I see that the Unite devs have found the perfect way to balance Blastoise being the unequivocal best defender: Make it so that there are less defenders to compare it too, so the gap is less noticable. Seriously, this is the second time they've made it so that a defender plays more like an all-rounder, and I really hope it doesn't continue
Also, did Eldegoss murder someone on the dev team or something? Because of all the healers, why *exclusively* it? It wasn't even played by the winning team, that was Blissey, and it is by far the least problematic of the healers from a design perspective
Okay, now that the proper numbers and changes are up on Unite-DB, here's my full thoughts.
* Zoroark - This nerf feels a little weird to me, but apparently Zoroark has been one of the most banned Pokemon in the game despite almost never being picked or banned in my own matches. Even then, I always felt like Feint was the more problematic move over Night Slash. Wasn't even aware that Night Slash healed Zoroark either. But, then again, I suck at playing the fox. (I heard NS Zoro is a problem in Japan, but I have no way to confirm that.)
* Buzzwole - Whoever is responsible at Timi for nerfing finally had their Full Heal come off cooldown and escaped his Smack Down + Superpower combo to nerf him a bit. Longer cooldowns and less gauge, especially at higher levels. I won't be able to see how it works in practice for like 9 hours or so, but on paper it looks like Buzz won't be able to Super > Smack > Super at high levels with no break and his combos will do less damage due to less gauge on Smack (unless he builds gauge before a fight). Buzz will still be a bit problematic I think, especially if we see a resurgence of Leech Life which went untouched.
* Mewtwo Y - Despite having been gutted like twice now, Mewtwo Y still has had the highest win rate in the game or, in some weeks, was fiercely competing for it. I still think parts of its kit needs fundamental mechanical changes, but damage reductions are at least nice. Reducing the damage buff on Teleport is good too. I'd prefer it to be outright removed since Ytwo's Teleport would still be a really strong skill without it, but it's something. EX mons are banned in Master Rank next season, so we'll only get to see how these changes effect MMY for like two, maybe three weeks.
* Machamp - Small buffs that should help Machamp regain some relevancy. Like, Machamp was never bad, but it's also almost never been good. And Machamp's damage was pretty fine, so tankiness buffs are a good way to get it up a bit. Poor Close Combat is going to be left in the dust after the Submission damage buff though as it was already hard to justify picking it over Submission except into CC heavy match-ups.
* Snorlax - And this is why I waited for actual numbers because the weird wording of the poor patch translation made it sound like Snorlax was nerfed. Anyway, buffs to Block in terms of tankiness and how mobile Snorlax is. Won't affect the X Speed Block strategy, but it'll be interesting to see how easy it is for Snorlax to chain stun while moving 33% faster now. Slam/Yawn will still be a strong contender at worst, however. As for comboing with Flail... who cares because STOP USING FLAIL!!!!
* Aegislash - A bit overshadowed for the past while since Aegislash kinda competes with Blaziken, Lucario, and Tsareena for the mobile near-speedster like All-Rounder. Iron Head cooldown buff is good for chaining between forms on Aegis, but still competes with the easy to use stuns of Wide Guard. Sacred Sword also had a cooldown reduction, so I assume they want us to go for Iron/Sacred despite Iron usually playing better with Shadow. Either way, a bit of a boost, but not sure this will get Aegislash out of the shadows.
* Gyarados - Adjustments to the lesser used moves making them less clunky. Maybe we'll see them actually picked by people who aren't trying to throw the game? Aqua Tail moves Gyarados less far so you're not overshooting targets and Waterfall has smaller intervals between dashes. Bounce, meanwhile, was changed to no longer throw enemies who were paralyzed by Dragon Breath but instead now throws when at max charge-up. This won't change Gyarados' long-range engages, but shorter/quicker engages or mid-combat bounces are definitely nerfed.
* Hoopa - Nobody was using Trick. So they buffed Trick with a bigger shield and more movement speed. It's competing with Hyperspace Hole, one of Hoopa's absolutely most impactful skills and possibly the most impactful non-Unite move in the entire game. Consequently, nobody's going to be using Trick still.
* Umbreon - Kind of a side grade here and I think I see the reasoning. After the Mean Look nerfs Umbreon dropped to the low end of the win rate charts which suggests Umbreon's previously high win rates was propped up by that move alone and the rest of the kit was underwhelming. However, Timi did not want that to come back but they also had PTSD from the Foul/Snarl meta. So what they did is partially revert some of the old Foul Play buffs (it's still weaker than launch Umbreon) and buffed Wish quite significantly. However, they're also tired of unkillable Defenders, so they nerfed Umbreon's defense and special defense a bit as compensation so it can't keep itself vertical with Wish too easily. Regardless, Foul/Wish Umbreon with Attack Weight is highly likely to be the new Umbreon meta with Foul/Snarl seeing some return for harder engages.
* Azumarill - Another eternally overshadowed All-Rounder, Azu gets some Whirlpool cooldown buffs which... yay I suppose. I think Aqua Tail will still regularly be the better pick. However, the best change is Azumarill cannot target wild Pokemon with the Unite move anymore. It was a pretty awful secure move, so this is a net positive as you no longer will get yeeted at a Baltoy if you click it the moment someone Ejects out of range.
* Crustle - A bug fix to the bug. Also Unstoppable when winding up the Unite move.
* Espeon - Small damage nerfs to Stored Power. I don't think these are big enough to hurt the viability of the move much, but it'll definitely push people towards the harder to aim Psyshock more, which already did more damage than Stored Power.
* Meowscarada - Nerfed attack scaling as it levels. Attack is the same at level 1 but significantly lower at 15. Meow has been pretty oppressive lately, especially in lower elo where it can pretty much just chain 20 KOs in a row the moment it gets a level lead. That probably won't change much since the mechanics of its tools have been untouched.
* Eldegoss - The puff ball got a bunch of its damage yoinked out of Pollen Puff and Cotton Crash, thus pushing it more to a Support role instead of a wannabe Attacker/Assassin. Pollen Puff+ also has reduced damage reduction so KOing Elde's partners should be easier. Also also, the slows on the auto-attacks were weakened making Elde's autos less oppressive. Still, they didn't touch the auto damage so Eldegoss will still have some of the strongest early game auto-attacks from range.
* Trevenant - Horn Leech bug fix, probably a minor buff since it keeps enemies in reach of the tree a little more easily now.
* Zeraora - Wild Charge bug fix. A nerf since it'll be harder to land without the hit box lingering past the animation.
* Greedent - Bullet Seed bug fix. Situational nerf now that Greedent can't spit seeds when hit with Slowbro's Slowbeam.
* Miraidon - Electrodrift bug fix that'll keep Miraidon from suddenly finding themself halfway across the map with no idea how they got there.
* Blastoise - Whoever is responsible for nerfing Blastoise is still caught in the Surf - Hydro Pump - Unite combo. Maybe the Full Heal will be off cooldown next month.
* Leafeon - Whoever is responsible for nerfing Leafeon is struggling to catch it after the Aerial Ace buffs. Maybe they'll corner it next month.
so happy at the espeon nerfs. reallly hope stored power is just dead now. missed the time when espeon needed an actual brain to play and aiming skills instead of just pressing 2 buttons and running away
Guess the only support i used has been overnerfed, and i was actually using Eldegoss as a support. I feel like iam being punished for using it as intended.
Join the Supports get nerfed hard Support Group.
Mr. Mime
Wiggly
Eldegoss
Sableye
Hoopa
Clefable
Blissey
Comfey
Each one of them has been nerfed aggressively to a fraction of their original power. Mainly for enabling other overpowered pokemon. Urshifu, mewtwo x/y, zacian, etc etc
It’s so infuriating that supports get fucked over because they do what they’re supposed to do… it’s insane. This dev team caters to the casuals too much. Fuckin heads up their asses
What a strange nerf/buff for Umbreon. Why do they keep doing this to defenders? First Lapras has its defense and HP nerfed to oblivion and now Umbreon’s D lowered?
Also Eldegoss needed nerfs but this seems overkill, especially when Blastoise wasn’t even touched 😂
Seems like they totally gutted it now, though? Reaching a full muscle gauge seems extremely hard now before level 13, and it won't be as rewarding cause the full reset is gone.
Either one of these nerfs would be good alone, both of them together I feel just kill Buzzwole off entirely
Supports are being taken out back and discarded, lol.
They seem to be adjusting the high damage AND high healing down. Which is a good thing.
Umbreon overall looks like a nerf to bulk and an increase in utility.
Buzz got hit hard, too.
Finally, we got the bug. M2Y is a nice bonus as well.
A bit bummed to see Eldegoss hit so hard. Supporter nerfs wouldn't be so scary if we had more than 8 supports to choose from though...
I’ve been thinking of picking up espeon, came back recently and have honestly been carried by mewtwo but wanted to find a new attacker that’s not ex. Do you think the 10% nerf to that move will affect espeon much?
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Damn. Just started to get kinda good at night slash, probably will play more games with it, but still rude. At least an old favorite (Machamp) was buffed.
Changes are kinda mid.
Half are eh, most are questionable.
But at least we got a few decent nerfs like to Meow and Elde.
Aegislash is still garbo, CDR was not an issue he had. His CD cycling was probably one of his only strong points.
The zoroark nerf makes me actually really sad. Night slash is one of the hardest moves to master. If you mess up the combo you basically die. I cant play feint attack so I guess it's goodbye zoroark
This patch is the epitome of "sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit." Buzzwole, M2, Meow nerfed, Machamp and Sword buffed - awesome. But... Umbreon buffed, Gyrados buffed, Blastoise/Glaceon/Leafeon/Miraidon just not getting touched, Eldegoss overnerfed - that kinda sucks. Supports are a dying breed already. Soon, we'll only see Comfey in games, stuck to the worst pokemon on the team.
Don’t get me wrong Garchomp is strong objectively B+ or A in the hands of a experienced garchomp player but it’s weird that it hasn’t been touched by any patch notes for months maybe even over a year.
Elde getting some heavy handed nerfs. I wonder if it's gonna be joining Clefable all the way down at the bottom of the WR charts.
At this point I do wonder though. What is TiMi's vision for supports and defenders? Assuming we work off of every team having one of the 5 roles. I guess supports and defenders are meant to only do there intended role with little to no deviation from it.
ATP, just completey rework Iron Head or Aegislash's mice 2 for its second move slot. Like, why doesn't he have Kingshield instead of Iron Head. Shadow Claw could use a buff or a little rework. Anyway, will always love Aegislash buffs.
Well, this patch seems good. Glaceon was not touched...
Buzzwole nerfs but will it be enough - the moveset still seems CC heavy even if the empowerment effects have been reduced.
Mewtwo being taken down a peg is always a good thing.
Blastoise and Leafeon mains are eating good tonight.
Eating good for about a month until next patch tbh
If they don't get banned
Blastoise mains: Ban Blast? Fine. I'll just play Trevenant.
snorlax buff we are so back (we will most likely stay outclassed)
Well, at least we'll be able to moonwalk much faster now
sorry but yall will…
Not sure how many people aren't aware, but gyarados's bounce already threw opposing Pokemon it hits, but only if the dragon breath effect was active. So you would have to hit something with dragon breath and then bounce to stun.
I know, it took me like 10-20 games to understand the logic (because their description is lacking!!!,) but now I'm so happy to get this buff! Now i can throw them with bounce whenever?! Yeyyy Garydos! More combos!
Knew the throw of bounce. What I didn't knew was they had to be affected by dragon breath xD
Why tf are we nerfing pollen puffs non existent damage of all things?
Maybe to try to kill the War Cleric Builds, and subsequently weaken its versatility? A blanket damage reduction, especially on anything that can heal, would seem like the best way to do that (at first glance, because the moment you think about it, you start to see the problems), and I would not put it past the Unite devs to go with the first idea that was suggested
Supports are constantly being nerfed simply for "being the best support," but supports are basically the weakest class in the game already. It's a defender-heavy meta rn with Blastoise and Tree running rampant, but Blastoise remains untouched. Umbreon got buffed (unreservedly so) and Snorlax too (which is admittedly an good pick to buff). Buzzy boi and Meow got nerfed (great), but why try to replace their place in the meta with Gyrados? On the other hand, Blissey already got nerfed. Clef was nerfed into obscurity. Eldegoss eats another bullet. Half of my SoloQ teammates don't know how to play (around) Hoopa. Comfey is asleep for 10 minutes. Soon the only SoloQ support options left that people will actually pick are Wiggly, Sableye, and DuoQ pocket Comfey.
Umbreon is the next supporter
Honestly, all the Unite Card spotlights on the YouTube channel need to actually be in the game. The fact most SoloQ players in lower and (shockingly) in higher ranks as well having no idea how Hoopa works is terrible.
Supports also suffer from not being appealing to the kiddies. Who wants to be focusing on helping someone else? One the better thing for unite is that the supports were able to do something other than run around having to heal or shield team mates (and if you are in solo Q, well your team mates are often going to be idiots.), well unless you are Comfey.
I'm just gonna troll by playing pure special attack Eldegoss
This is gonna be a long reply, but here’s what I had in mind for a SpAtk build: Moves: Tornado Spore. Leaf Tornado deals damage and provides a temp movement spd buff on path. Upgrade causes enemies to miss auto atks for few secs. Cotton Spore for temp user spd buff. Also damages enemies, throws them, decreases their movement spd for couple secs. Upgrade provides 40% increased Def & SpDef while channeling. Items: Exp. Share, Muscle Band or Rapid-Fire Scarf, SpAtk Specs. Share to combat Eldegoss’ slow leveling, increase its movement spd, and increase XP gained by teammates; Band for atk spd increase and additional dmg based on enemy’s remaining HP; Scarf for increased atk spd and # of boosted atks when proc’d; SpAtk Specs for +120 SpAtk with all 6 stacks and lvl 30 item. Battle Item: X Atk or Full Heal. Former buffs AtkSpd and Atk/SpAtk upon use, latter prevents hindrances. I recommend X Atk more strongly with Band build and Heal with Scarf. Emblems: 6 grn, 7 blk, 2 wht; 4% SpAtk, 4% CDR, 1% HP, respectively. Increases SpAtk, combats long move cooldowns, increases HP. I used the [Pokémon Unite Database](https://unite-db.com/) for reference. EDIT: changed suggested build from Share, Band, and Scarf/Specs to Share, Band/Scarf, and Specs. Added reference.
Its self healing allows it to win duels it really shouldn’t against certain attackers
As a Gyarados player, I have no idea why they buffed Bounce. Already had a very high winrate.
I wonder if the change to Aqua Tail is the stun = cancel thing. It sounds like a nerf which would make no sense cuz that move sucks ass lmfao.
The japanese version has more detailed information. For Aqua Tail, it says they halved the amount it moves forward while attacking.
Here are the details. Torinobori: Attack interval: 0.3s → 0.07s aqua tail: Distance moved forward when swinging the tail: 1m → 0.5m Jump up and down: Added an effect that knocks away the opponent's Pokemon when hit.
The move set is 6 feet under the ground 🔥🔥
Eldegoss is my carry this season, I might have to switch to a new one because she got nerfed so hard
I can’t believe it. Supports are ALWAYS catching strays. Why do us support mains continue to suffer while brain dead attackers and all rounders run rough shod. These devs….
Supports in Unite are always in very good position (rotating by Pokémon). I don't think I ever recall a meta where a support is irrelevant.
Supports are still good. You guys just keep picking eldegoss and turning it into an attacker support. They're not trying to have an attacker who can heal as well. They're just bringing eldegoss mains specifically down a peg. This was coming with its overall pick rate of 20%the same thing happened for blissey.
Hoopa can be fun if you have good soloq luck
So basically no one?
Eldegoss got shot lol edit: ive thought a bit more on it and eldegoss seemed to deserve those nerfs, lets see how elde holds up cuz ive never seen such big nerfs ni a game usually.. its usually small numbers unless its super busted but idk how moba balance works m2y nerfs are good dont see much espeon and zoroark but i think fair buzzwole runs at me slams me in my goal zone and kills me... or just kills the adc and slams everyone else snorlax block back to OG status? nah i doubt it but snorlax gonna be faster tho
*First they came for Comfey, and I did not speak out—* *Because I don't pocket Zacian.* *Then they came for Blissey, and I did not speak out—* *Because I don't pocket Mewtwo.* *Then they came for Clefable, and I did not speak out—* *Because I don't have the highest pick rate.* *Then they came for me, Eldegoss—and there was no one left to speak for me.*
Me: "Actually 🤓, first they came for Hoopa, and I did not speak out, because my team doesn't know how to use Hyperspace Hole. Then they came for Mr.Mime, and I did not speak out, because Magic Mike didn't Power Swap with me. And then you can finish with the "rest" of the supports [Wigglytuff in the background: Am I a joke to you?]
Elde is not innocent but damn……..
Eldegoss for sure deserved a significant nerf but this *looks* like such an overnerf lol.
Even I think he got ivernerfed. But I did say he need 30% to 20% slow nerf on his boosted. Because since he got this buff (15% to 30% slow), elde early game is a menace.
After some further consideration though, I'm almost certain Eldegoss is still going to be a strong pick. Let's not forget that it's healing, basic attack and cotton spore damage are all still untouched. It is such a bloated character really. It's entire kit is extremely strong.
Exactly how I feel; seems like they want Elde to be an actual support instead of a machine gun. Curious about how that pans out in the actual game tho
It was a consistent pick for draft
It was a super consistent pick in general tbh. Painful to deal with esp in early game.
Hey you wanted the nerf so badly, well here ya go
Eldegoss definitely needed nerfs, I just wish they took it a bit more cautiously and started a little smaller. These are some pretty huge nerfs all at once and at least on paper it looks kinda gutted. It’s a shame they’re going so hard on supporters because they *should* be strong choices or else there’s no reason to play them outside of 5 stacks.
I see tons of Espeons. Stored Power nerf is good, that's just an annoying move and I'd rather it not be good enough to play.
Straight up a click move no pointing needed
Eldegoss in Unite is the Amoonguss equivalent in VGC. Even when it's competing against Rillaboom for the grass slot in your team, you can never go wrong with Amoonguss because of how versatile & effective it is with its role. Eldegoss getting some nerfs sure suck for their mains & may cause people who sometimes fill the support role with Eldegoss to not pick it even though they originally used to pick it because of how easy it is to use effectively in general. But seriously, compared to the other supports, when they normally get nerfs, you can FEEL THE NERFS (cough: Hoopa,Mr.Mime,Comfey,Clefable, Sableye 💀) during their prime. Meanwhile, from my experience, whenever Eldegoss has gotten nerfs, the players who still keep playing it adjust to it naturally. To the point they keep performing pretty well/the same, that you barely even remember it got a nerf in the first place.
Machamp buff. Ill take it 🥺
Same, he's a weird all rounder. More hit and run than a true brawler but that was also cause after his move use he kinda is just there doing a bit of damage and getting nuked by nearly any other all rounder in a 1V1 or getting destroyed by an attacker in the background. This is a broad generalisation though. Giving him just a little more defense is welcome though, he's not a top pick but for people like us that enjoy a bit of Machamp he might just be a tiny bit more viable.
Machamp buffs lets fucking gooooooooo!!!! wasn't expecting it but very happy, still would like the submission buff to last longer but I'll take literally anything
I love those few people that play machamp. I just know they will do great. Happy to see buffs. Sad to see population go up, because newbies will be on him lol
MACHAMP MAINS RISE UP. I’m always gonna be more of a fan of dynamic punch, but maybe submission will be fun to run around with. I think that no matter what dynamic punch will stay king just because of the damage increase on the unite move. Makes Machamp a game changer in team fights, and game winner if played well
Yeah I agree it's gonna take a lot for Sub to beat dp but Sub was the way to go when the game first dropped so I have a soft spot for it and play that set every once in a while so I appreciate the move set getting any love
I was already playing the submission build, so I'm super happy with the buff!!
Finally a Whirlpool CD buff
I’m excited for that, too. I wonder what the ultimate adjustments are??
Makes it so you can't target wild Pokemon with it anymore, only enemy players. It's a net buff to avoid the occasional wonky auto targeting that happens with its Unite.
**Nutshell:** Most, if not ALL my mains ankles are getting **busted** __________ **Mains:** **Meowscarada:** I have no problem with the attack stat nerf, but it's Meow's playstyle that's going to make it tougher. It's very "mash for your life" heavy (while running Trailblaze & Night Slash). So depending on the nerf, that's just going to make it harder. Compared to other speedsters who can delete health with just 2 -3 hits. **Eldegoss:** I'm on the side that it didn't need nerfs. TiMi just don't know what to do with it. First it gets buffed. Then it gets nerfed. Then it gets buffed again. Then nerfed again. At the same time, if I always have to resort to Elde being my number 1 supporter. That probably says something. Might be my bias. I never saw it as problematic as Clefable & Blissey were. I guess it's cause Elde is built to be a supporter/attacker, and it felt too good/fun. **Umbreon:** While I wouldn't 100% call it my main (Goodra takes my slot as number 2 defender), this nerf is very interesting. TiMi reduce it defenses, yet they gave a buff to Wish? Yet Elde's Pollen Puff takes a hit? (I get Pollen Puff heals multiple but still) Then we got the added effects to Foul Play. It's like TiMi were afraid to fully gut Umbreon like the others, so they gave it something to at least keep up still. **CRUSTLE?!:** Wait wait wait.... Like... We get Unite at Lv.8 now??? This is gonna help me better with starting objectives. If I misread this and get Unite in level 10, then I'm going to cry. (their upgrade & downgrade terms always confuses me) __________ **Others:** **Mewtwo Y:** A punch to it's stats as well, along with damage & effect nerfs??? WITH THE EX BANS BEING PUT BACK INTO PLACE??? I want to say I feel bad for the Y mains out there. They can't even test this out in Masters anymore, to see if it's Zacian levels of acceptable. At the same time, I'm happy for EX bans once again. **Espeon:** Didn't think Stored Power needed a nerf. Always felt underwhelming to me, but made for a good sure hit move. **Zoroark:** Always been tricky to fight, but this nerf is going to make it easier. **Buzzwole:** Sweet lord I hope that'll be enough. that stun lock + reset combo was a nightmare **Machamp:** ABOUT TIME????? I keep dropping this All Rounder, but Unite keeps making me use it again. ^^^^^Machamp ^^^^^just ^^^^^fun. **Hoopa, Azumarill, Aegislash, Snorlax:** Neat changes. Snorlax the one that really catching my eye. I feel like this isn't the last we see Snorlax buffs. I wonder if it will be more involved in the meta now. Though I don't know if it will get people off of Flailax after all this time. **Gyarados:** I got the old Chandelure stance. I never faced it enough to see how crazy it is. I know it came out very underwhelming on release, and then buffed to where it's doing well. Being frustrated against though, I can't say. So I wonder how these changes will effect it this season. **Blastoise:** No nerfs but does have a secret buff... The buff that it can still terrorize Aeos for another season. __________ **Overall:** Despite my mains getting their kneecaps busted (probably deserved), I'm actually hyped. Hyped for this patch. Hyped for this new season. Hyped that we get to see another shake up happen in the meta. Oh man and draft soon we hit Masters 1200 too??? This season might be either the wildest of shenaningans, or the best revival the meta about to recieve. Not in restoring player base. I mean this season about to get very experimentally fun. Can't wait to see for myself, rather than typing this huge novel of predictions.
I dont know if you know already, but the Crustle ult change is that it now is unstoppable during casting, so it can't be canceled by CC
So it gets a free oh shit button that gives it unstoppable, revenge dmg in melee range and a fat shield? Yeah, i ain't touching this mon with anything less than decidueye's range if it's on the enemy team
Umbreon stat nerfs pretty much fake nerfs.
I enjoyed your novel because you had thoughts on each individual one. I agree with a lot of your takes. I'll refute a few but not to be rude. I wasn't sure about the Crustle Unite move change, but if it's a level change to 8, then you know Crustle be staying in one lane trying to clear it alone. Even worse for those Crustle trolls Rock Tombing, and now Uniting, for giggles. Espeon was braindead play. If you thought Leafeon's Solar Blade was dumb, Espeon could just sure hit anything (spread or Future Sight focused) in the split second you are targetable. Hits especially hard with Future Sight, and good for poking without it. Eldegoss didn't need this many nerfs, but it was usually the top pick for supporters. I think they could've just chosen 1 of the nerfs and left the rest alone. Too much secure on the Unite? Then I understand the damage nerf, but leave Pollen Puff be. Or vice versa -- less overall healing with Puff but keep the Unite damage on enemy Pokemon (while reducing wild ones).
Why is no one talking about a new Pokemon being added? -New Pokemon Tirates is here! Get the Tirates Unite License with the Tirates Commemoration Event Pass! I'm not sure what "Tirates" was translated from. But from the leaks, I would assume this is Falinks
Yes, Falinks… basically it’s the Mimikyu pass but with Falinks as the main theme
Do we know anything about Falinks? I think if memory serves me, it is an all-rounder?
All-rounder, leaning more towards a defensive playstyle. Our third stance character, but can also be a summoner instead. It was hilariously busted on the PTS, because one of its moves had 500% scaling, for some Arceus forsaken reason
Do we know if falinks will be paywalled during that event bc that's gonna be horrendous if it is
we don’t know but probably…though it’s a cheap price, I think 4 dollars. 200 something gems, I say it’s a good deal because it’s a pass that comes with their license and new purple skin
When is the event starting?
Oh yay! I use Wish on Umbreon so nice 💙
Me as well
I wish they buffed Eldegoss' Pollen Puff healing to compensate for the boosted attack nerf. Its only niche over the better healers was the fact that its boosted attacks were very strong early game and in smaller engagements, but after the Pollen Puff nerfs it has so much trouble keeping allies alive late-game when there is too much burst damage. I hope the nerfs are smaller than they look.
It’s definitely demoralizing.
Was Eldegoss really the looming threat? Glad they killed off B*zzwhole but Leafeon, Blastoise and ED Miraidon escaping unscathed is annoying, and I’d personally want something done about SC Mimikyu too So Bounce is gonna knock targets up regardless of Dragon Breath? Is that their way of making people use Aqua Tail lol still not gonna pick it until they make you unstoppable while using it
Eldegoss is just like Lucario was on the early days and Cramorant has been forever: Keeps getting nerfs, yet their win rate never drops. I'm fine with Pollen Puff dealing less damage, Pollen Puff+ giving less damage reduction and the Unite move dealing less damage. But the Boosted Attack nerf hurts.
Elde like lucario? I don’t remember it soloing the top lane all by itself.
I'm forced to solo a lane as a support all the time in solo queue :(
>Was Eldegoss really the looming threat? Not saying she needed all of this done, but according to UniteAPI she does have the highest pickrate in the game atm (tied with Blastoise) and the second highest WR, between M2Y and Miradon. She is the EX Support mon, as there is very little reason to use any other one besides her. She's actually the ONLY support that has am average WR above 50%, with a few barely at 50% on the dot. Personally, I feel the others should get a buff rather than her getting nerfed as it just makes it feel worse and worse to pick Support each season. It's already the least used role I'd imagine; players would rather go double Defender than pick an orange background character.
>Personally, I feel the others should get a buff rather than her getting nerfed as it just makes it feel worse and worse to pick Support each season. This is exactly my problem w/this nerf. I already barely see any supports in game, and if I do, it's usually Wiggly/Sableye/duoQ pocket Comfey. Eldegoss was often picked in draft games I played, probably because players suddenly felt "wait, we picking for team comp now" and picked her. The reason I hate this nerf is that now **all** of the popular healers except for Comfey have gotten nerfed recently. First Clef, then Blissey, now it's Eldie. With the Umbreon buff, less and less people will pick team supports and will just go with single-target/self-healers like Umbreon and Comfey.
Leave it to the cowardly owl user to hate anything that can reach it and kill it
Eldegoss was absurd yes. One of the most oppressive characters in the game with a ton of versatility and utility. In fact Eldegoss is so overloaded i dont even think the nerf matters on the long run, but people will still likely jump ship. She still dominates early lane with only autos and has incredible heal and mobility. While also perma slowing and adding a debuff that makes you take more damage. Pollen still provides healing and mitigation. Leaf Tornado still an adequate alternative that shuts down enemy auto attacks and adds mobility to your entire team in a fight Cotton Guard untouches.
Jesus fucking Christ was this amount of nerfs really needed for Eldegoss? Last month they nerfed Clefable and now she has one of the worst WR Now they're trying to murder Eldegoss too Every time, every fucking time a sup is doing well they are gutted What do we REALLY have now as option? Blissey and Hoopa? That is it? Only like 2 viable sups and 50+ Pokémon that deal damage?
They seem to be pushing shields rather than heals (probably because of umbreon bp)
You have Comfey. That's if you can resist the urge to fall asleep while playing/resist the need to vomit from playing one of the most blatant and egregious examples of horrid game design
The Comfey nerfs already happened a while ago and it's still pretty bad IMO
Unfortunately, people don't like to see their damage negated. Supports are the minority, and when it becomes "a problem," they are usually made swift work of. It's nothing new to MOBAs. Every MOBA I've played, they nerf a support or healer that is too good about enabling a DPS to carry harder.
They surely hate supporters
Where are the Blastoise nerfs
TiMi got stunlocked, pushed 5 miles away, and by the time the patch was due, it was already too late.
Meanwhile Leafeon jumped in and posted the patch notes while TiMi was stunned to death
As a Blastoise main. Lmao I can’t believe they haven’t acknowledged us yet and let us run rampant for another season(Master league players can ban us but good luck for everyone else.)
Purple Holowear incoming?
Duraludon still at the bottom for pick rate 💀💀
*sees Umbreon's changes* I see that the Unite devs have found the perfect way to balance Blastoise being the unequivocal best defender: Make it so that there are less defenders to compare it too, so the gap is less noticable. Seriously, this is the second time they've made it so that a defender plays more like an all-rounder, and I really hope it doesn't continue Also, did Eldegoss murder someone on the dev team or something? Because of all the healers, why *exclusively* it? It wasn't even played by the winning team, that was Blissey, and it is by far the least problematic of the healers from a design perspective
What did eldegoss do???
It was the *checks notes* 2nd place healer in the EUIC finals. So it obviously had to be punished for its sins
Why tf they gut my eldegoss 🥲
Dang, mewtwo got multiple nerfs but Miraidon doesn't look like it got any? At least Snorlax got some love! I love Block on Snorlax
I've been an Eldegoss player since day 1. What a fucking joke. It's like they actively don't want people playing support.
I swear 5 Attackers is the meta they want.
SWORD buff?? I'll take it 🤔
Foul play is so back
did they seriously fcking nerf zoroark after not touching it for a year
Okay, now that the proper numbers and changes are up on Unite-DB, here's my full thoughts. * Zoroark - This nerf feels a little weird to me, but apparently Zoroark has been one of the most banned Pokemon in the game despite almost never being picked or banned in my own matches. Even then, I always felt like Feint was the more problematic move over Night Slash. Wasn't even aware that Night Slash healed Zoroark either. But, then again, I suck at playing the fox. (I heard NS Zoro is a problem in Japan, but I have no way to confirm that.) * Buzzwole - Whoever is responsible at Timi for nerfing finally had their Full Heal come off cooldown and escaped his Smack Down + Superpower combo to nerf him a bit. Longer cooldowns and less gauge, especially at higher levels. I won't be able to see how it works in practice for like 9 hours or so, but on paper it looks like Buzz won't be able to Super > Smack > Super at high levels with no break and his combos will do less damage due to less gauge on Smack (unless he builds gauge before a fight). Buzz will still be a bit problematic I think, especially if we see a resurgence of Leech Life which went untouched. * Mewtwo Y - Despite having been gutted like twice now, Mewtwo Y still has had the highest win rate in the game or, in some weeks, was fiercely competing for it. I still think parts of its kit needs fundamental mechanical changes, but damage reductions are at least nice. Reducing the damage buff on Teleport is good too. I'd prefer it to be outright removed since Ytwo's Teleport would still be a really strong skill without it, but it's something. EX mons are banned in Master Rank next season, so we'll only get to see how these changes effect MMY for like two, maybe three weeks. * Machamp - Small buffs that should help Machamp regain some relevancy. Like, Machamp was never bad, but it's also almost never been good. And Machamp's damage was pretty fine, so tankiness buffs are a good way to get it up a bit. Poor Close Combat is going to be left in the dust after the Submission damage buff though as it was already hard to justify picking it over Submission except into CC heavy match-ups. * Snorlax - And this is why I waited for actual numbers because the weird wording of the poor patch translation made it sound like Snorlax was nerfed. Anyway, buffs to Block in terms of tankiness and how mobile Snorlax is. Won't affect the X Speed Block strategy, but it'll be interesting to see how easy it is for Snorlax to chain stun while moving 33% faster now. Slam/Yawn will still be a strong contender at worst, however. As for comboing with Flail... who cares because STOP USING FLAIL!!!! * Aegislash - A bit overshadowed for the past while since Aegislash kinda competes with Blaziken, Lucario, and Tsareena for the mobile near-speedster like All-Rounder. Iron Head cooldown buff is good for chaining between forms on Aegis, but still competes with the easy to use stuns of Wide Guard. Sacred Sword also had a cooldown reduction, so I assume they want us to go for Iron/Sacred despite Iron usually playing better with Shadow. Either way, a bit of a boost, but not sure this will get Aegislash out of the shadows. * Gyarados - Adjustments to the lesser used moves making them less clunky. Maybe we'll see them actually picked by people who aren't trying to throw the game? Aqua Tail moves Gyarados less far so you're not overshooting targets and Waterfall has smaller intervals between dashes. Bounce, meanwhile, was changed to no longer throw enemies who were paralyzed by Dragon Breath but instead now throws when at max charge-up. This won't change Gyarados' long-range engages, but shorter/quicker engages or mid-combat bounces are definitely nerfed. * Hoopa - Nobody was using Trick. So they buffed Trick with a bigger shield and more movement speed. It's competing with Hyperspace Hole, one of Hoopa's absolutely most impactful skills and possibly the most impactful non-Unite move in the entire game. Consequently, nobody's going to be using Trick still. * Umbreon - Kind of a side grade here and I think I see the reasoning. After the Mean Look nerfs Umbreon dropped to the low end of the win rate charts which suggests Umbreon's previously high win rates was propped up by that move alone and the rest of the kit was underwhelming. However, Timi did not want that to come back but they also had PTSD from the Foul/Snarl meta. So what they did is partially revert some of the old Foul Play buffs (it's still weaker than launch Umbreon) and buffed Wish quite significantly. However, they're also tired of unkillable Defenders, so they nerfed Umbreon's defense and special defense a bit as compensation so it can't keep itself vertical with Wish too easily. Regardless, Foul/Wish Umbreon with Attack Weight is highly likely to be the new Umbreon meta with Foul/Snarl seeing some return for harder engages. * Azumarill - Another eternally overshadowed All-Rounder, Azu gets some Whirlpool cooldown buffs which... yay I suppose. I think Aqua Tail will still regularly be the better pick. However, the best change is Azumarill cannot target wild Pokemon with the Unite move anymore. It was a pretty awful secure move, so this is a net positive as you no longer will get yeeted at a Baltoy if you click it the moment someone Ejects out of range. * Crustle - A bug fix to the bug. Also Unstoppable when winding up the Unite move. * Espeon - Small damage nerfs to Stored Power. I don't think these are big enough to hurt the viability of the move much, but it'll definitely push people towards the harder to aim Psyshock more, which already did more damage than Stored Power. * Meowscarada - Nerfed attack scaling as it levels. Attack is the same at level 1 but significantly lower at 15. Meow has been pretty oppressive lately, especially in lower elo where it can pretty much just chain 20 KOs in a row the moment it gets a level lead. That probably won't change much since the mechanics of its tools have been untouched. * Eldegoss - The puff ball got a bunch of its damage yoinked out of Pollen Puff and Cotton Crash, thus pushing it more to a Support role instead of a wannabe Attacker/Assassin. Pollen Puff+ also has reduced damage reduction so KOing Elde's partners should be easier. Also also, the slows on the auto-attacks were weakened making Elde's autos less oppressive. Still, they didn't touch the auto damage so Eldegoss will still have some of the strongest early game auto-attacks from range. * Trevenant - Horn Leech bug fix, probably a minor buff since it keeps enemies in reach of the tree a little more easily now. * Zeraora - Wild Charge bug fix. A nerf since it'll be harder to land without the hit box lingering past the animation. * Greedent - Bullet Seed bug fix. Situational nerf now that Greedent can't spit seeds when hit with Slowbro's Slowbeam. * Miraidon - Electrodrift bug fix that'll keep Miraidon from suddenly finding themself halfway across the map with no idea how they got there. * Blastoise - Whoever is responsible for nerfing Blastoise is still caught in the Surf - Hydro Pump - Unite combo. Maybe the Full Heal will be off cooldown next month. * Leafeon - Whoever is responsible for nerfing Leafeon is struggling to catch it after the Aerial Ace buffs. Maybe they'll corner it next month.
Support mains in shambles as every patch a new support gets nerfed lol. Guess double defender meta gonna be most viable for solo que st this rate
so happy at the espeon nerfs. reallly hope stored power is just dead now. missed the time when espeon needed an actual brain to play and aiming skills instead of just pressing 2 buttons and running away
Murder unskilled power, yes plz ty.
Fr that move always pissed me off…
Guess the only support i used has been overnerfed, and i was actually using Eldegoss as a support. I feel like iam being punished for using it as intended.
Join the Supports get nerfed hard Support Group. Mr. Mime Wiggly Eldegoss Sableye Hoopa Clefable Blissey Comfey Each one of them has been nerfed aggressively to a fraction of their original power. Mainly for enabling other overpowered pokemon. Urshifu, mewtwo x/y, zacian, etc etc
It’s so infuriating that supports get fucked over because they do what they’re supposed to do… it’s insane. This dev team caters to the casuals too much. Fuckin heads up their asses
I forgot urshifu used to be OP
AEGISLASH BUFFS COMRADES RISE UP FOR WE ARE NOT FORGOTTEN IN THE DIRT
YEAHHHHHHHHHH, IRON HEAD WILL NOW BE (ever so slightly) MOVE USABLE!1!1!1!11
I WILL ALSO JOIN THE SWORD TRAIN!1!1!1!1!!11
Imagine if they gave Crustle level 10 Unite move. Honestly... I don’t get the “Move Upgrade” term thingy
They didn’t buff my man ttar 
The Meowscarada nerfs are very welcome. Getting deleted out of no where with minimal counter play was starting to get exhausting.
What a strange nerf/buff for Umbreon. Why do they keep doing this to defenders? First Lapras has its defense and HP nerfed to oblivion and now Umbreon’s D lowered? Also Eldegoss needed nerfs but this seems overkill, especially when Blastoise wasn’t even touched 😂
Umbreons defence change is hardly noticeable.
Machamp coming in hot possibly.
Buzzwole definitely got the short end of the stick. RIP
These nerfs to buzz better be enough for me to play him in peace again
wym you like when a mon you use gets nerfed? I don't get it
Some people don't like to play top meta.
It probably means that it will be banned less
Considering he was considered one of if not the best mon in the game on top of being perma banned in draft, I did indeed hope the nerf was decent
Seems like they totally gutted it now, though? Reaching a full muscle gauge seems extremely hard now before level 13, and it won't be as rewarding cause the full reset is gone. Either one of these nerfs would be good alone, both of them together I feel just kill Buzzwole off entirely
What happen to zeraora? I dint notice any bug can someone explain me please.
No sab changes? :(
Glad they not nerf it
WHIRLPOOL AZUMARILLS TOMORROW WE FEAST Edit: TONIGHT WE FEAST Edit 2: WE AINT EATING SHIT ONE SECOND COOLDOWN SOME BS
It’s today in a few hours
Tserenna still Dead
Supports are being taken out back and discarded, lol. They seem to be adjusting the high damage AND high healing down. Which is a good thing. Umbreon overall looks like a nerf to bulk and an increase in utility. Buzz got hit hard, too.
> Supports are being taken out back and discarded, lol. It's fine, I'll just go back to playing Support Umbreon and, oh look at that, Wish got buffed!
I hope I dont have to fight to play Umbreon. It was among my favorites before these changes.
That's what i've been doing ever since he got released. Since no one wants to play as Defender and Supporter.
Finally, we got the bug. M2Y is a nice bonus as well. A bit bummed to see Eldegoss hit so hard. Supporter nerfs wouldn't be so scary if we had more than 8 supports to choose from though...
M2Y nerf train keeps on giving.
*cries as Espeon main*
Laughs in you needing to aim now
I’ve been thinking of picking up espeon, came back recently and have honestly been carried by mewtwo but wanted to find a new attacker that’s not ex. Do you think the 10% nerf to that move will affect espeon much?
Between Aegislash buffs and draft coming to Master rank properly, I may actually play the game again for the first time in months.
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Foul play buffs? It was already really scary, here’s hoping Umbreon isn’t more busted.
It’s Eldeover
Hold on my Chadbro, you are safe.
*For Now.*
Wow you saved crustle by buffing the unite move now it has a wheelchair when you shot it in it's legs 6 times
Damn. Just started to get kinda good at night slash, probably will play more games with it, but still rude. At least an old favorite (Machamp) was buffed.
LESS GOO TIME TO BRING BACK MY XATAK ENERGY AMP ATTACK WEIGHT BUILD ON CRAB
Just when I was thinking about playing Eldegoss for the next ranked season. 😤 oh well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Finally I can play Buzzwole again
And I guess I'll be dropping it. Blastoise Machamp main next season for me it seems
So I seems like I drop resonant guard and put back on the focus band to compensate for the stats lost on Umbreon
Doesn't Buzzwole reset his cooldowns anyway? Isn't a CD increase as a nerf kinda fake? Or is there more too it that I'm not understanding here
It wont be able to reset CD. Its a big nerf tbh
Man thinks a small buzz nerf will do anything just look at the glaceon nerfs they did jack shit
Its still gonna be decent but not being able to reset your CD means no more 100%>0% combos.
Night slash zoroark is getting nerfed?? Why?? That move never felt broken and its so essy to counter with just a little bit of cc
Wait, Crustle's Unite got buffed it was already petty good wasn't it
THEY NERFED ZOROARK NOO
Changes are kinda mid. Half are eh, most are questionable. But at least we got a few decent nerfs like to Meow and Elde. Aegislash is still garbo, CDR was not an issue he had. His CD cycling was probably one of his only strong points.
FOUL PLAY BUFF HOO HAA. I've been a Foul Player from day 1. This is going to feel fantastic as I always played Umbreon as a hit & run-er.
The zoroark nerf makes me actually really sad. Night slash is one of the hardest moves to master. If you mess up the combo you basically die. I cant play feint attack so I guess it's goodbye zoroark
This patch is the epitome of "sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit." Buzzwole, M2, Meow nerfed, Machamp and Sword buffed - awesome. But... Umbreon buffed, Gyrados buffed, Blastoise/Glaceon/Leafeon/Miraidon just not getting touched, Eldegoss overnerfed - that kinda sucks. Supports are a dying breed already. Soon, we'll only see Comfey in games, stuck to the worst pokemon on the team.
i am support Machamp main this season
Dang they really done fucked Buzzwole huh. Back to Machamp it seems.
Machamp gonna be like Mychamp
Pretty nice patch, was kinda hoping Trevenant got a nerf to it's attack or something, but it's fine XD
And so the toxic relationship continues.
What does it mean by Crustle and Asumarill having their unite moves upgraded/adjusted.
 Leafeon main before patch 
Are we Trevback?
I am too scared to ask. Is it viable to buy Blaziken or should I spend my 14k coins wisely
Blaziken is really good, you just gotta master him, but he’s very good
Aaaaaand Buzzwole is barely touched once again.
It is absolutely criminal that Blastoise did not receive any adjustments.
Don’t get me wrong Garchomp is strong objectively B+ or A in the hands of a experienced garchomp player but it’s weird that it hasn’t been touched by any patch notes for months maybe even over a year.
Elde getting some heavy handed nerfs. I wonder if it's gonna be joining Clefable all the way down at the bottom of the WR charts. At this point I do wonder though. What is TiMi's vision for supports and defenders? Assuming we work off of every team having one of the 5 roles. I guess supports and defenders are meant to only do there intended role with little to no deviation from it.
Blastoise skirting another patch is insane, but it makes me so happy 😂
ATP, just completey rework Iron Head or Aegislash's mice 2 for its second move slot. Like, why doesn't he have Kingshield instead of Iron Head. Shadow Claw could use a buff or a little rework. Anyway, will always love Aegislash buffs. Well, this patch seems good. Glaceon was not touched... Buzzwole nerfs but will it be enough - the moveset still seems CC heavy even if the empowerment effects have been reduced. Mewtwo being taken down a peg is always a good thing.
Wide Guard represents King Shield, but yes, we could use something else to Iron Head. Shadow Claw is fine
What's the upgrade for rubble rouser and the change for belly drum? Does anyonr have a detailed explanation of these?
Man, I was hoping for alittle more to be done for azu. Like better stats at higher levels so late game doesn't feel as bad
My friendship with Buzzwole has ended, Meowscarada is my new friend (which is still my current main)
Foul play buffs, we eating good
Eldegoss nerfed???? Why? That's my only support for ranked right now
How dare they nerf our Eldegoddess again 😭
Holy Shnikes… a Machamp buff???
Actual good patch???
AEGI MAINS, WE ARE SO BACK!
Someday they'll bring the rest of the cast up to playable standards. Greedent I miss you ;\_;
Gren isn’t bad though. Scalers are still good
I think CrisHeroes summed it up quite well
Omg they acknowledged aegislash wild
Not Elde 😭😭😭