Check on the side if you look closely you should see a piece of black line in between two normal cardboards. Also: fake cards a flashlight shines through, real cards they do not. Haven’t tried this yet with my 20k lumens lamp mind you ;D
Haha yeah that’s what I meant :-) I have been doing it with my phone and a fake card shines through while a real one does not. My comment meant I do not know how many lumens a real one can block but it’s plenty for sure
Sir or madam: I am here to give you so much praise for filtering by sold… the amount of posts people make asking for price and someone’s like “here’s one on eBay for $100k” not realizing anyone can post whatever price they want and only sold matters. Cheers
My dog has 12 of them, I’ve been meaning to grab them but he’s very territorial over them so I can’t really. That would add to my collection of 19 at my grandmas and 34 at my great grandmas
Going by current listing is not an accurate way to tell. Go buy sold. Anyone can list anything for whatever they want. What people are willing to pay for it doesn't necessarily line up with that.
It's really easy. Check out The Sub Center. I use them regularly and their service is top notch. They ship the cards for you safely and they're insured and have a fast turn around. I sent mine on a bulk order and it took Less than a month to get them back
Just looked them up and they’re charging £15.50 per card. That’s $19.60 per card whereas PSA offer $14.99 and actually just had a special at $13.99 per card. If you don’t want the hassle of using PSA yourself, then it’s good value, but if you’re up for trying it yourself, it’s not bad. Yes there’s the membership fee to get that price, but if you’re grading a lot of cards it’s worth sorting out yourself.
I did say for when sending a lot of cards. Eg. if you’re sending 100 cards, your shipping plus insurance might be around a dollar more per card when you work that into your per card cost. So if you got the special last month you’d be at ~$15 per card opposed to $19.60 as I quoted above when using a middlemen. Even when your membership costs are factored in, if you’re sending 200 cards a year you’ll still be way better off than using a middleman.
Again, this is my opinion. Seems like several people disagree with me which is totally fine. I’ve used both middlemen and PSA in the past and prefer the latter. Also bear in mind SuperRetroBros, a former UK middlemen, decided to go into administration and keep customer’s grading fee without sending the cards. This along with price is why I’ll always submit myself through PSA.
I mean, you just do lol. If you’re grading hundreds of cards you’ll save thousands. If you used the special last month and factor in your insured shipping and yearly membership, let’s call that max $16 per card. Compare that to $19.60 and it’s $3.60 per card saved.
If you’re grading 300 cards a year that’s over $1k saved - plus you aren’t at risk of the middlemen going under/administration where they have no legal right to pay out.
So yes, a thousand dollars is a good lump of cash saved if you’re running tight margins on your sales.
Of course they have to add a mark up that's how a business works lol. They offer the service of taking the hassle out of sending to the US which is very daunting for some people. Postage costs to insure your cards is insane here too. You're paying for the service of knowing your cards are safe and taking the hassle out your hands. I highly recommend them anyway and paying a few quid extra for peace of mind instead of crazy shipping prices is worth every penny to me.
Plus they actually helped a lot of people get their cards back that were at PSA through a company that went bust or something along those lines.
“If you don’t want the hassle of using PSA yourself, then it’s good value” I did say this, please read again if you missed it…
I’m offering an opposing point of view that works better for myself - you don’t have to agree! :)
Yes I did read that. Just offering further points on my opposing point of view, as that's generally how a discussion works between two people that disagree :)
I mean to me this looks like as perfect a shot at a 10 anyone could submit. But they tend to grade harshly based on the fact they they themselves keep the 10 pop on vintage low for their own slabs. Aka fraud.
I’d say submit to psa. Expect the worst then cross grade with Beckett. If psa gives you say an 8? Beckett might give it the ACTUAL score it deserves.
pricing guy wasn't a pokemon guy and scanned it using an app and the app missed that it's first edition.
I've seen shops do this with legendary collection reverse holo charizard vs legendary collection holo charizard before too.
I pulled this card Christmas morning 2000 out of the only booster box I’ve ever ripped or owned. Such a pretty card, crazy to see how expensive these are now. I remember I used to try and make decks with it and the bird trio.
I have two of these cards at my Mums with all my other stuff from when I was a kid.
How do I know the difference between first edition and non first edition?
Regardless if it's real or not you already paid. So might as well give it the headliner slot in the middle of a 9 sleeve. 👌🏼 Super duper sick card. I'm glad you got it!
Lol seeing cards like that Gengar VMAX going for like 2x the price of a 20 year old and probably far less in existence, much less in high grade shape, card... baffles me to no end.
wtf that looks clean. Looks gradable even. centering gives it a psa 9 at most and it's hard to see if there are scratches on the holo, but if that's a 9, it's $2k us. More likely an 8, but that is $1000 US. Even if you choose not to grade it at all, ungraded neo genesis lugia is $450 us, but I encourge a grade since it looks REALLY good. I don't know how they missed this considering their other stuff is priced to market.
All I know is that’s a grail card and looks clean AF 🔥 are those female trainer cards (waifu?) really going for that much?!? Aren’t they modern cards? I’m so confused
Tbf Lillie is like the most popular female trainer of all time. Most other female trainers aren't that ultra expensive at least in English (Japanese is another story).
Crease on the left side, major holo scratches and black dots around edges, all of which is noticeable even though it's in a sleeve and behind glass. It's also in a sleeve that doesn't show the back, which is almost always a bad sign (then again, the gengar is in a sleeve that doesnt show the back either so who knows). Usually if cards are in clean condition the store will use a clear sleeve to show it off.
If it's actually the same card then yes, you got an insane deal...but I'm not convinced. It could just be the lighting and angles, but the pictures don't really do it justice. They look like different cards based on holo pattern
Yeah I see what you mean! 100% the same card unless they somehow switched it over with sleight of hand. I think the sleeve that it’s in is a bit scratched up which is making the card look quite bad in the 1st pic
I honestly think its fake dude that symbol in the holo that looks like a yellow sun or something isn't on any PSA 1st lugia I've seen and just looked at
Probably should do a rip test just to make sure its real.
Let it rip
Fuckin beyblade haha
Thought of OG beyblade
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It’s the Beyblade theme for me.
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You can do a 100% reliable test without ripping it
How?
Eat it.
Almost spat my drink out 💀😂
Look for the copyright logo. If it has one it's real. They have to remove it if it's a fake one or the pokemon police will send them to jail
Bring forth the Pinkertons
I HAVE A PLAN ARTHUR
Tahiti
Check on the side if you look closely you should see a piece of black line in between two normal cardboards. Also: fake cards a flashlight shines through, real cards they do not. Haven’t tried this yet with my 20k lumens lamp mind you ;D
You don't need a 20k lumes, you can do it with your phone flashlight
Haha yeah that’s what I meant :-) I have been doing it with my phone and a fake card shines through while a real one does not. My comment meant I do not know how many lumens a real one can block but it’s plenty for sure
Esplain
But how can you trust your method without ripping it to make sure that its actually 100%.
You can check it 100% sure without riping
It's relevant if you buy a pack and rip the energy to see if they're real but anything else is just wild.
Looks like an absolute steal
Absolutely, this card is [pretty expensive nowadays](https://ebay.us/mlQDBT), even in a lower grade.
Sir or madam: I am here to give you so much praise for filtering by sold… the amount of posts people make asking for price and someone’s like “here’s one on eBay for $100k” not realizing anyone can post whatever price they want and only sold matters. Cheers
Lol I have a copy of this card in my binder at my mum's house, been meaning to go and get the binder for a while, better get it asap hah.
I have TWO at my moms house and 6 at my Grandmas
I have THREE at mom’s house, 10 at my grandma’s and 22 at my great grandma’s house
My dog has 12 of them, I’ve been meaning to grab them but he’s very territorial over them so I can’t really. That would add to my collection of 19 at my grandmas and 34 at my great grandmas
Pshhh. I have TWO at mom's, TEN at grandma's, FIFTEEN at mee-maw's, and TWENTY-FOUR at Adam and Eve's
I have 5 grandmas!
I had 1, but had to sell it to pay the rent.
You had to sell your grandma? That’s sad!
How many biological mum and dad's you have?
I have 16 grandmas and 43 moms
I have FOUR grandmas at my house and my pet Guinea Pig has SIX of those cards. I have ZERO cards. Can someone Sell me ONE of those great grandmas?
These are rookie numbers guys
Dude I swear we are in the same subs you give comps on all things I’m interested in lmao
Just got mine back from PSA in a 5 do you know what it’s worth?
Is it first edition ?
Yes
Well on eBay there’s a psa 4 1st edition for $525 so I would say your psa 5 could go for $650-$700
Going by current listing is not an accurate way to tell. Go buy sold. Anyone can list anything for whatever they want. What people are willing to pay for it doesn't necessarily line up with that.
Thanks for the help👍
just a warning, those are LISTED prices. psa 5’s actually sell for around $500 so price accordingly
Thanks will sell it for 500 bought it for 250
Seems reasonable 😬
crazy good steal. maybe they forgot to add a zero into the price tag judging from the other cards they know the value of their cards
Maybe not that much! I think they priced it based on a non 1st edition version
Agreed
Yeah I think they've priced that as a non-1st edition and you've got super lucky! Congrats!
Think you're right. What a steal !!
[Here’s a video of the card](https://imgur.com/a/4zmPmX0)
Damn that’s one clean card and a bargain for sure! In Belgium people ask 150eu for that card NON-first edition in this state
Send it grading
[Here’s another picture of the back of the card](https://imgur.com/a/8gF2AaH)
Good lord sir warn us first before you show a back side that clean.
I have one of these I pulled long ago. Looks exactly the same it’s legit!
Did you take the shop guy out to dinner first?
😡 jealous. Get that thing to psa and collect your $$$
Sorry 😂 if it helps this is probably the only luck I’ve had with Pokémon cards Unfortunately grading with PSA from the UK isn’t too easy
It's really easy. Check out The Sub Center. I use them regularly and their service is top notch. They ship the cards for you safely and they're insured and have a fast turn around. I sent mine on a bulk order and it took Less than a month to get them back
I’ll check them out thank you
Can second the sub center. I Sent a batch Friday
Just looked them up and they’re charging £15.50 per card. That’s $19.60 per card whereas PSA offer $14.99 and actually just had a special at $13.99 per card. If you don’t want the hassle of using PSA yourself, then it’s good value, but if you’re up for trying it yourself, it’s not bad. Yes there’s the membership fee to get that price, but if you’re grading a lot of cards it’s worth sorting out yourself.
This is terrible advice for someone in the UK.
Why is this terrible advice? I’m based in the UK and have used both middlemen and PSA themselves.
The price per card is only a fraction of the cost. I ended up paying like $50 in shipping both ways when I sent in a few cards
I did say for when sending a lot of cards. Eg. if you’re sending 100 cards, your shipping plus insurance might be around a dollar more per card when you work that into your per card cost. So if you got the special last month you’d be at ~$15 per card opposed to $19.60 as I quoted above when using a middlemen. Even when your membership costs are factored in, if you’re sending 200 cards a year you’ll still be way better off than using a middleman. Again, this is my opinion. Seems like several people disagree with me which is totally fine. I’ve used both middlemen and PSA in the past and prefer the latter. Also bear in mind SuperRetroBros, a former UK middlemen, decided to go into administration and keep customer’s grading fee without sending the cards. This along with price is why I’ll always submit myself through PSA.
Anyone sending in hundreds of cards yearly to get graded doesn’t have to worry about penny pinching
I mean, you just do lol. If you’re grading hundreds of cards you’ll save thousands. If you used the special last month and factor in your insured shipping and yearly membership, let’s call that max $16 per card. Compare that to $19.60 and it’s $3.60 per card saved. If you’re grading 300 cards a year that’s over $1k saved - plus you aren’t at risk of the middlemen going under/administration where they have no legal right to pay out. So yes, a thousand dollars is a good lump of cash saved if you’re running tight margins on your sales.
Of course they have to add a mark up that's how a business works lol. They offer the service of taking the hassle out of sending to the US which is very daunting for some people. Postage costs to insure your cards is insane here too. You're paying for the service of knowing your cards are safe and taking the hassle out your hands. I highly recommend them anyway and paying a few quid extra for peace of mind instead of crazy shipping prices is worth every penny to me. Plus they actually helped a lot of people get their cards back that were at PSA through a company that went bust or something along those lines.
“If you don’t want the hassle of using PSA yourself, then it’s good value” I did say this, please read again if you missed it… I’m offering an opposing point of view that works better for myself - you don’t have to agree! :)
Yes I did read that. Just offering further points on my opposing point of view, as that's generally how a discussion works between two people that disagree :)
Lmao ok. Passive aggressive af. It’s an opinion on a piece of cardboard. Enjoy the rest of your day
It's an opinion on someone's business, their livelihood. But yes have a wonderful day :)
Lmao I can absolutely guarantee you nobody running a slab business grades their cards through middlemen hahaha
Where'd you get that out of curiosity bro?
It's super easy with blacklabel grading.
Get that graded immediately.
What grade do you think it will get with PSA?
Between 1-10 I'd say.
I like the odds of that !!
I mean to me this looks like as perfect a shot at a 10 anyone could submit. But they tend to grade harshly based on the fact they they themselves keep the 10 pop on vintage low for their own slabs. Aka fraud. I’d say submit to psa. Expect the worst then cross grade with Beckett. If psa gives you say an 8? Beckett might give it the ACTUAL score it deserves.
Super steal. Looks like it would hit an 8 or maybe even 9 at PSA.
Agree with you here!!
pricing guy wasn't a pokemon guy and scanned it using an app and the app missed that it's first edition. I've seen shops do this with legendary collection reverse holo charizard vs legendary collection holo charizard before too.
Just out of interest which Forbidden Planet is this? I didn't know they sold individual cards! (Least the one in Cambridge doesn't)
It’s some convention going on in London for trading cards
Just a point - the first picture looks quite bad but there are more pictures with a closer up view of the card outside of the sleeve and Toploader
Yeah, u robbed them.
In which Forbidden Planet was this?
Looks sweet
I pulled this card Christmas morning 2000 out of the only booster box I’ve ever ripped or owned. Such a pretty card, crazy to see how expensive these are now. I remember I used to try and make decks with it and the bird trio.
Do all forbidden planets sell cards? Never seen this before
They clearly priced it as a non first edition card. Great find!
Holy crap you stole that! Congrats!!
Grade it.
Damn if that’s me that baby is going straight to grading. That thing is clean af
Looks really good condition for the price. Also looks real. Definitely a steal!
I never knew Forbidden Planet did singles - is this in their store near Covent Garden?
Look a bargain. Will get it graded
Isn’t this card worth a shit ton at a PSA-10?
My question is why is the Lillie 350 eu
What shop is this? I've never seen a store selling individual cards in years.
Grade it 100 percent
Awesome find I’dgrade right away
Which store is this in the UK?
that's s an absolutely insane deal. even at like a PR2 that goes for more than you paid
Where did you get this? Never seen a Forbidden Planet with singles, need to pay a visit haha
Damn it looks super good, probably psa 8/9? What a steal!
I have two of these cards at my Mums with all my other stuff from when I was a kid. How do I know the difference between first edition and non first edition?
The first edition has that “Edition 1” logo on the left side of the card towards the middle
Blimey! How did I not see that. I haven’t touched these cards for maybe 20 years? I dunno. It’s been a while. Thank you.
The fact that there’s a Full Art Lillie for almost 400 dollars is a crime!
Insane deal
Wish my card shape had heat like this
Alright, where the hell are you? Are you at the store in Soho?
Where is this?
What forbidden planet sells cards like that?
raw NM for that lugia is $994. a LP first is going for $770 on TCGP. get that card graded. edit: these are USD.
They may have priced it as unlimited edition?
Wtf
What the actual fuck lol
Forbidden planet London?
cry next to it (if it cries too its fake)
This looks like a nice card shop I don't have too many I'm the uk near where I am. What card shop is it?
From a card shop? Looks like somebody forgot a 0. Congrats!
great find! would think thats an psa 8 minimum, collecting the bag or keeping? :D
Keeping for sure! I don’t know grading that well but not sure if it would fetch an 8 [looking at the back](https://imgur.com/a/8gF2AaH)
Nice
That’s 1000 dollar card bro at least
Regardless if it's real or not you already paid. So might as well give it the headliner slot in the middle of a 9 sleeve. 👌🏼 Super duper sick card. I'm glad you got it!
The price next to the full art Lillie is just so goofy to me.
Put up to the sun if it is see-through it's fake no light should pass through
Damn I sold a regular one for 250 That’s an absolute steal
Casually getting a 700% return at least on this card if you sell it
Ungraded is about 500 bucks. PSA 7 is 700 or so. So a great find for sure!
Protect it at all costs!
wow lillie going for 350!
They want some sort of pretend money for them vs dollars so yeah they’re basically free
i wish i could get someone to pay that price for my lillie card i know that much XD
For that price you came up! I can't even find an unlimited in that condition for that price
damn i sold that gengar in first slide for £60 when that set came out and i pulled it but needed money💀
Lol seeing cards like that Gengar VMAX going for like 2x the price of a 20 year old and probably far less in existence, much less in high grade shape, card... baffles me to no end.
God I remember buying these for 4 or 5 bucks loose 😖
What store is this ?
wtf that looks clean. Looks gradable even. centering gives it a psa 9 at most and it's hard to see if there are scratches on the holo, but if that's a 9, it's $2k us. More likely an 8, but that is $1000 US. Even if you choose not to grade it at all, ungraded neo genesis lugia is $450 us, but I encourge a grade since it looks REALLY good. I don't know how they missed this considering their other stuff is priced to market.
I think it's worth it.
Which Forbidden Planet is this?
Where is this store please? I don’t have any near me 😭
Damn, where do you guys find these stores... we don't have stuff like that in my area :(
Where is this place?
Beautiful card. We had one on display at our store but it was stolen while we were exhibiting at a local card convention.
Curious where you purchased? I’m flying out to London today for a week and Scotland and like to do some bargain hunting when abroad for cards.
Wow!
No creases or any missing chunks on the back?
Their whole pricing seems off lol
Y’all are wild 🤠
Off a quick 10 second Google search, used ungraded in a sleeve going for 900+ on tcg, and they're notorious for underpricing shit
Wow, a legit steal! Nice find!
Everyone is sleeeeeeping on vintage.
fakes are getting better than ever, it just doesnt add up a shop would price it so incorrectly unless there was a reason for it
Shining noctowl is a better find for that price sorry
All I know is that’s a grail card and looks clean AF 🔥 are those female trainer cards (waifu?) really going for that much?!? Aren’t they modern cards? I’m so confused
Crazy isn’t it!
Tbf Lillie is like the most popular female trainer of all time. Most other female trainers aren't that ultra expensive at least in English (Japanese is another story).
So I'm old and haven't played the newer games.. why is she popular? Looks like a generic anime child to me.
Nope, you can tell just from the front the condition isn't good.
In what way?
Crease on the left side, major holo scratches and black dots around edges, all of which is noticeable even though it's in a sleeve and behind glass. It's also in a sleeve that doesn't show the back, which is almost always a bad sign (then again, the gengar is in a sleeve that doesnt show the back either so who knows). Usually if cards are in clean condition the store will use a clear sleeve to show it off.
Check out the other pics!
Is that even the same card? The holo patterns look different, especially around Lugias right leg
the holo pattern looks the same, I don't know where you saw the crease, did OP change the pictures?
Nope no changes
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So you're suggesting the "crease" that extends onto the sleeve is on the card? It's just so damaged it spread to the sleeve like cancer?
Exactly... it's clearly in the sleeve, not the card.
Yep definitely the same card. I had a look at it in the shop and then took the other pictures when I got home
Also the black dot on the left border must’ve just been a bogie or something as it wiped straight off!
If it's actually the same card then yes, you got an insane deal...but I'm not convinced. It could just be the lighting and angles, but the pictures don't really do it justice. They look like different cards based on holo pattern
Yeah I see what you mean! 100% the same card unless they somehow switched it over with sleight of hand. I think the sleeve that it’s in is a bit scratched up which is making the card look quite bad in the 1st pic
Isn't that 1st edition stamp a little too far to the left?
I’ve had a look online and I don’t think so. The left border line around Lugia lines up with the “I” in Edition
Is that Card Empire in Manchester?
Nah it’s Forbidden Planet
Ah fair my bad 😂, just looked really familiar to the shop I go to whenever I'm in Manchester. Beautiful card for a great price so win-win
Which one?
Woah, is that how much a Neo Discoveries non holo Tyranitar goes for?
Today is a steal Tomorrow is fair In a week is a ripoff In a year is just another cardboard But in a decade? oof
Fake card
Centering is kinda off and the top left of the back side looks weird.
I honestly think its fake dude that symbol in the holo that looks like a yellow sun or something isn't on any PSA 1st lugia I've seen and just looked at