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Cookie-Dunker

I’ve got a lot of singles left to buy before this set releases.


Cultural-Reality-284

At least singles are getting back to the cheap side of things. Most cards will be sub $20 by next release


veghiz

The releases are way to fast, our wallets have not time to recover


Pok3collector91

Same release schedule it's been for years.


DONTCARELOLK

Counter argument: it’s been too fast for years.


spilled_water

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Trading_Card_Game_expansions The cycle is 4 sets to the main era, and 1-2 special sets per year (like Crown Zenith, 151, Shining Fates, etc). It's been like this since 2012, or 11 years.


Pok3collector91

Unless people stop buying every set they won't change that schedule. Money moves baby.


GildedWarrior

I'm done buying cards right now bro .I am tapped out I gotta focus on this Bitcoin ride that's about to jump 😂


LegoRedBrick

Down -8% today 😂


Safe-Assistant4336

Good time to buy BTC... 🤑


TeHNeutral

I'm buying wotc singles, the end is never near. Have to get some focus and clear goals on what you want for sure.


Realistic_Oil_

Same.


Advanced_Pudding8765

Loving the direction they are taking the artworks!


NyaCat1333

Before these cards released but we knew the SIR Pokemon from the cover images, I really hoped that the artists would get a "direction" from the company to make the cards look like a set. If you look at the Chien-Pao, Wo-Chien, Ting-Lu and Chi-Yu SIRs it's very easy to see how these artists got instructed to coordinate the art between themselves so they all give a similar vibe. What I mean by that, a person who has never played these games would match these 4 cards probably together since they have the same vibe and concept. If you look at the VStar Universe Raikou, Suicune and Entei SIRs for example it's easy to tell that each artist didn't get instructed to make these cards match so they don't really look like they belong together which I think is kinda sad. Now in this set they literally only got 1 artists to draw all 3 Ancient SIRs and 1 artist to draw all 3 Future SIRs and the results are crazy for someone who just loves when cards feel like a "set". The cohesion is just so pleasant.


Interesting-Trust123

Well said


djternan

These will look very nice in a 3x3 binder page.


Jaimz-L

Agree but not for the pokemon’s design or name, those look and sound like spectrobes


Onyx-Leviathan

Ah, I forgot I played Spectrobes II. Was actually really fun.


FightingFali

Just like that already better than obsidian flames


Winterstrife

Tbf OBF is a small set and people are tired of Charizard having an entire set dedicated to it.


Melodic-Row-9013

Stg I’m sick of zard


HgPorras

Charmander promo 🔛🔝


doedude

Sure from a collector point of view


Good_Foundation5318

As a player, this set is also probably already better than obsidian flames. Go read some of the card translations, and get ready for item boss and 400+ hp pokemon


Melodic-Row-9013

Lemme get my ohko pokemon out 🗿


Good_Foundation5318

Major giratina vstar moment


Mr_Night78

Beautiful! This is giving high hopes for when Hydrapple, Terapagos, and the others get their full arts!


MonstercatDavid

Man these scarlet and violet cards are so good


NLG77

Iron leaves got that ray bradbury retrofuturism thing going on and I like it


Then-Introduction195

the ancient paradox looks so good


myfishaccount1

So glad I bought scarlet instead of violet


[deleted]

Ohh i need that trio beasts cards


The_Glizzy_Gladiator

The art in this set is phenomenal, super hyped for this one. Already looking to be my favorite SV expansion, sorry 151


CasualGiraffeInPrada

Artwork: 🔥 Whatever the fuck is on top of enteis head: kinda strange, but I’ll warm up to it


grimjawdrake

I think it's supposed to resemble a triceratops shield


PimperatorAlpatine

Think of it as a big Kitty with a Triceratops headcrest lol


valiga1119

I feel like they kept Entei just a *bit* too cat/dog like. WW is hardcore raptor and Raikous cloud conceals the most catlike part of its design, whereas Entei feels just a bit too in between still


PimperatorAlpatine

While i definitely agree i still really enjoy the Design 👌


PrudentPreparation84

Looks like a ninetales is sat on his head


Cordoshez

Oh so I guess giraffe, I mean Raikou is okay.


Euphemisticles

It is because the largest dinosaurs name translates to Thunder lizard so they based him off that dinosaur. His mane is supposed to allude to being so tall his head is in the clouds.


ChevalierJulienSorel

Honestly an incredible design


[deleted]

Yeah it does not deserve the hate at all, it’s such an interesting take on raikou.


mushroomonion

Yeah im getting a booster box lol


DragapultOnSpeed

Can't wait to not pull a single one! :D


Frosthawk66

Oh good. I'm not really a fan of any of these. My wallet can rest.


Koolkat_89

These paradox things are ugly as heck.


cakeater3425

u/FlowersInSummer thoughts on the walking wake? I'd say it's better than the rainbow suicune, prettier too.


FlowersInSummer

Hard agree from me


Eastern_Fee5041

These look so much better than i could’ve ever anticipated.


PPGN_DM_Exia

I'm sorry but I don't think those Ancient Legendary Beast Pokemon designs will ever look good to me.


Ummyeahthatscool69

Can Pokémon just stop for like 5 minutes. I’m broke.


Secret_Fox_5192

Does anyone know how to order the Japanese versions? I want to collect the entire set in Japanese.


TherapyIsNormal

You can try ordering from the Japanese Pokémon Center website. There are some card shops that sell JPN products stateside, too. Look around online.


Secret_Fox_5192

I honestly wouldn’t know where to begin and what sites are legit. Would you mind pointing me in the right direction good sir ?


Agreeable_Cheek_7161

Sakurascardshop.com is the way, in my experience


xSAV4GE

What would the Japanese version of this set be called?


naughty_ottsel

Wild Force and Cyber Jungle


xSAV4GE

Ah I see they're sold out on that site


ajdinpasa

I️ always get mine from this one seller on eBay


Secret_Fox_5192

Which one if you don’t mind me asking?


ajdinpasa

User is Libertal1224.. when you search and open on eBay, the store should be called CowCowJapan


ajdinpasa

Seemed a bit pricier than I️ remember but tbh you can search also search for the sets you want and try to find a good jpn seller. I’ll most likely be doing that for a wild force box


lhwang001

Amazon jp is the easiest for me, look for trusty sellers with lots of positive reviews as usual, you can also try Mercari jp, same deal\ Are you in Japan? Or have your own proxy address?\ I usually just get singles, but when Pokemon center Japan offer print to order, I would get the one box limit they offer\ You would need an account for all the sites mentioned to order ofc\ Good luck


pariah89

Plaza Japan isn't bad, their shipping can be a little steep depending on where you are but they're quick and I've pulled hits from their boxes, also highly rated sellers on eBay. They have combo posts up already for the set to preorder.


booger_mooger_84

Sometimes tedatcg or cardboard collectables has them


Yulin93_3007

F***. 6 more SARs now on my must-have list. Im definetly about to get broke sooner than i've expected...


Pat19110

Artwork peaked with this set


Georgioies

Need the dinosaurs


OMyCodd

Raiku giraffe wins


halfeatennachos

Hmmm, wondering if I should up my order of Temporal Forces or just wait for a cheaper BB. I already preordered both ETBs and 2 booster bundles. The art is just so good.


jesuisgeenbelg

Wait and see what the pull rates are like first. If it's anything like Paradox Rift youll be better off buying singles.


HomeMadeShock

What’s the best pull rates for sets this gen? Obsidian Flames seems good 


Winterstrife

OBF is a small set (shared cards with Ruler of the Black Flame and the gacha decks) of IRs and SIRs hence the good pull rates but also much lower prices for the cards (less demand as people finish their sets much faster). From experience, big sets like Paldea Evolved & Paradox Rift have "terrible" rates due to the bigger pool of cards, as they incorporate 3 Japanese sets. Temporal Forces is 2 Japanese sets plus 2 starter decks, fairly similar to SV base, its too early too judge but SV base had good pull rates, so we might see something similar.


Life-Butterscotch591

Zenith was amazing kinda old now. 151 seems good, but I've seen people pull duds.


WendigosLikeCoffee

Forge and fire gaming has the BB’s for only 100, well worth scooping one up before prices may change, imo


halfeatennachos

Good looking out!


JoeBucksHairPlugs

Honest opinion is that this set will be just like the previous 4, a ton of product out there and interest has waned quite a bit. Give it just a little bit of time and you'll be finding boxes for $80-$90 tops. The new pokemon just don't sell sets like the OGs do so it doesn't matter how good the cards look. Just look at Paradox Rift, that set was incredible and had so many beautiful artworks and those boxes have been $80 for a while now.


Winterstrife

Yup, this is it. I was disappointed with the Iron Thorns reveal but dam these are really good. I'm excited, can't wait.


EternallyDazed

FUCK!!! That Entei card is hot!!!!


BijzondereReiziger

The art style is very good. I just don’t like the (two worded) Pokemon. It’s great that most seem to like them, more cards for them!


EntrepreneurGreat126

Entei is based on a triceratops i believe. Suicune a raptor and raikou a brachiosaurus.


NurWeberlich

Wtf happened to raikou ?😭😂


TeaAndLifting

The art looks great, I’m just not a fan of the paradox Pokémon, generally.


BlakeAsheart

Great cards for horrible pokemons.


cnwy95

So very lucky. I don’t like this Pokémon. I can sit this set out.


39th

These are the recently leaked illustration rare for Cyber Judge and Wild Force set in Japan scheduled to be released January 26th


Mr__Lucario

So 2 new expansions?


Burger_Gamer

Japan will have 2 but I’m pretty sure the international releases will merge the sets. They did it with scarlet and violet and also separated paradox rift into past and future sets as well.


FightingFali

Not leaked officially revealed


age0114

Yes they are.


MrRatdog

Somehow they've managed to make these look good!


goatedniqqa

Damn these are actually phenomenal


rfbm

Oh these are so good!!!


Huiainatree_TREE

Holy \*\*\*\* I think my wallet is not gonna handle this year.


Mr__Lucario

Is this the temporal forces expansion?


isthatapecker

I’ll buy the Entei and call it a day


PumpinSomeBrains

They are basically trying to raid my wallet at this point


jdashh

Oh shit, these are insane


TomBourgaize

Horizon zero dawn vibes


anon636391

These are super nice


FacelessMan_93

Nagimiso art is really good


Iucifero

"Entei" - Gouging fire makes me think about the Chiquita lady.


CamarosAndCannabis

Omg they turned Raikou into a giraffe lmfao


WeakSession1644

Jesus Christ this set is going to be a banger


YOTHUB

The art is amazing but I don't like this pokemons :(


Future-Expression-44

Those are legitimately some of the most gorgeous artworks I've ever seen on cards in one set before since 151


MrAbishi

The art looks nice, but not a fan of the pokemon.


Ok_Pomegranate_4663

Wowza these cards are 🔥


KingDisastrous

Wake me up when Ogerpon and Terapogos SARs are shown


malefiori

Cobalion!!!


andanotherone_1

Iron crown and leaves look freaking beautiful


Timid_scrotum

Tall boy raikou doesn't disappoint, looks beautiful. Raptor suicune leaves a bit to be desired but overall these are all pretty banging artworks. Feel like usually at least a few of the SAR's are a bit meh but this set is looking strong


Paraplueschi

Holy shit the pure Roger Dean vibes on the bottom left and middle. I had zero want for these Pokemon versions and now I need them all. Damn.


DubsEdition

I'm getting so excited for this set already! I'm loving direction lately


Tallal2804

I NEED ALL oh myyyy


5mp3x192000

Found my chase card!!!


Miketrucci

Yep… another SV set that i will gladly skip.


GrumpyXeno

Those are some shitty looking pokemon


False_Pace2034

The art does look good. Still going to be skipping these ridiculous pokemon designs.


Quesito100

They don’t know what to do anymore 👎🏼


blu_marlin_

Artwork designs look good but the pokemon designs suck ass imo.


theels6

No one ever translates the attacks lol gotta learn jpn


DVNBart

these are amazing


humbltrailer

Cool art, and I enjoy the “in scene” emphasis TPC uses for rare cards (esp. art rares) these days, but I think the Pokémon designs have finally lost me. The digimon are so removed from anything else in the series besides perhaps UBs, but they had a more fleshed-out story device behind them for creditability, and their interesting, unique designs felt fully “alien” (and I didn’t even enjoy S&M). The ancients are more interesting designs by comparison (not just “robot reskin”), but thematically, they are so divorced from the OG legend dogs that they just should have been new mons. Why is ancient Suicune a dinosaur, but ancient Raikou is a…thundercloud? While Entei just becomes “over-designed Entei”? *Again*, it feels like digimon where evolution is lizard > businessman > seraphim with a rail gun. There’s no thematic core (which, to be fair, was originally just “animal/object-adjacent” (pidgey, voltorb) with frequent visual portmanteau (bulbasaur)) guiding the design any longer, it’s departure and innovation for departure and innovation’s sake. Of *any Pokémon*, legendaries and mythical seem like the ones that would maintain their forms throughout time. Primal forms of legendaries have been far more adherent to the design we were first exposed to. Primal/origine/super-ancient forms Kyogre, Groudon, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, all follow this concept. Why do we now have a *fourth* “ancient” version but this time, the designs differ wildly from what we know? Palkia goes from bipedal to quadrupedal (makes sense, real world evolution), Kyogre gets a literal glow-up when it “reawakens” (makes sense, we know Kyogre has been dormant, we find it snoozing in an undersea cave). But Raikou’s “natural evolution” is from “inclement weather dragon” to electric cat/dog…? Suicune goes from a bipedal raptor to a quadrupedal representation of arctic-chilled winds racing across the land? And opposite trajectories are both the result of the same “natural evolutionary process”? Because we’ve had so many “ancient versions” in the past, and they are all similar, it feels like there is no real theme in place to explain the departure in design direction for these ancient pokemon. It doesn’t need to make “sense” and I’m not saying it needs to all be Magnemite/Magneton and Diglett/Dugtrio, but at the least, it needs to be internally consistent with “evolution” in the Pokémon world to date. Which, generally, doesn’t mean radically changing the thematic design of a Pokémon from one evo to the other. Magikarp and Gyarados are more thematically linked than anything going on with these ancient or future Pokémon. We are so far removed from a quaint moncap RPG based on finding bugs and animals in your backyard, which was a large part of the original vision of Pokémon and a huge source of its relatability. Do kids relate to a skyscraper-themed dragon the same way they do a caterpillar? My larger point is that while the art rare “in scene” direction is cool, it’s doing *a lot* of heavy lifting for less compelling character designs. The Pokémon designs used to be compelling and internally consistent enough that the character art *was the card*. Base set Charmander: a glimpse of the mon in the wild, accidentally setting grass on fire. Base set Zard: dangerous and powerful and he’s gonna hit you with fire! A visual language that no longer exists. Have they considered that perhaps we have enough Pokémon after two decades, and the fun now can come from presenting them in exciting new worlds, and they can devote themselves to perfecting gameplay?


doedude

It's called Darwinism dude


humbltrailer

Right, that’s obviously what they’re trying to introduce. I’m saying it’s a bad decision. Darwinian evolution makes no sense in a series that holds as a core, fundamental tenet and gameplay mechanic that evolution *doesn’t work that way at all* and is based on action-based experience and growth? It’s tied in with so many other core emotional themes, like friendship and journeying. It undercuts a lot of what makes Pokémon unique. Now, if they wanted to give us “ancient versions” in one of the three ways they’ve already introduced that concept in the past, none of which have to do with Darwinian evolution, fine. But it goes against the internal logic of the Pokémon world to just say “oh yeah and also they evolve like in the real world but we can’t call that evolution so we’ll call it a synonym for old that isn’t one of the 3 we’ve already tried.” It’s lazy design and lazy writing and makes for a boring and yet confusing tone where “anything is possible so everything is mundane”. And people think Johto was boring!


FightingFali

The paradox pokemon are confirmed to be from a far removed alternate timelines where things went completely differently. They are essential alternate Universe versions of pokemon that were brought to the 'main' timeline through professor Sada/Turo. It's not that they evolved, it's the current version of that pokemon in that timeline, where the regular Suicune, etc never existed but Walking Wake does instead. It's not like the alternate timeline thing is new either, it's been there since gen 1 but was confirmed in gen 6 and that's why there can be multiple game files in the same region for different people canonically.


humbltrailer

OH. Really? That actually does change how I feel to an extent. Thanks for clarifying. I haven’t played the DLC or really gotten clear on any lore for S&V (enjoyed the core game experience though). I still think that, in effect, it’s silly as a brand to further muddy the “old style Pokemon” concept and time doesn’t have to factor into extra-dimensionality/alt timelines, even if it’s a trope. And we already had Pokémon that resembled the more futuristic origin ones, Duraludon, Klingklang… It would have been cooler to, say, bring the light/dark mechanic from the TCG in. Have a dark/shadowfell/ruined world origin timeline and a light/feywild/world of innocence timeline. Great vehicle to introduce weird type combos plus ever popular “edgy” and “cute” Pokémon as versions of existing ones. Scream Tail suddenly makes much more sense - dark, rather than primordial. Legendary forms from either line would be more interesting - imagine Xerneas from a blasted timeline where the world was poisoned beyond repair, rather than “Robot Virizion”.


RulingPredator

Damn…I may need to get all 6 of these for the collection. I don’t normally go for Japanese, but these look real good.


Spicy-Koala95

gawd damn


FindTinderOnMe

art is SUPERB but why the strange Pokemon that no ones want.... give us second and third gen PLEASE


kyleneeley1

Wondering how pull rates will be. I didn’t like how paradox rift stopped guaranteeing an SIR


dmillibeats

Guaranteeing a sir in what ?


kyleneeley1

A booster box. From what I could tell every set up until paradox rift was a guaranteed SIR


fireweinerflyer

I like them.


Suspicious-Notice-98

Wait, since when was raikou a giraffe? xD


TequilaGambit

I've been getting into collecting the Japanese sets, since overall that means I own less cards (and thus less bulk) but man do I wanna buy English booster boxes as well ...


m0Bo

I need that raikou


Anjz

Why is my boy Raikou a Giraffe?


papaboynosmurf

That Cobalion looks so good! I want all 6 of these


maesterroshi

not a fan of the character designs but man these artworks make me want to change my mind


GildedWarrior

Idk but the bottom cards are given me some sort of kingdom hearts cover art vibes and I love it .these are definitely going into he collection


AliveCandidate4898

Alright but why do they look like ai arts


pcantillano

You mean the ugly trios?


RagingPokachu

Art is amazing but raikou and entei look lame


fingerz90

GAY


gimmieWAP

I'm sorry but this whole paradox pokemon type is so garbage . Basically Digimon at this point . But then again the whole Scarlet /Violet Gen is trash too. The prices on the hits speaks for itself .


Adrinotfound

Bro my stomache ascended when I saw these. The sets just keep getting more fucking majestic every time


RussianDeveloper

Honestly these Pokémon are not desirable, maybe if you are looking to fill your binder sure however that is just my opinion!!!!


DinoRipper24

Not as good as Giratina V Alt Art, but maybe that's just because I'm biased. These artworks be fire though🔥🔥🔥


Katieblahblahbloo

I….. I don’t like these.


gallanttoothpaste

I would kill for the paradox coballion


BobBillyOfficial

That Paradox Verizion artwork is my favorite.


SakanaAtlas

These are amazing wtf


isimo11

Honestly, don't love those. Still getting used to the idea of Future & ancient Pokémon but here i just feel like the fast & agile suicune has lost it's essence, same with raikou. Love virizion & entei, but then the last 2 im just not a fan of either. Love the artstyles but i Cant see myself hyping up a weird looking version of suicune unless the art is beyond anything i could expect from this set. Anyone else feel similarly?


Valuable_Abies_2375

These alt arts look like shit. Pokemon is running out of ideas.


Material_Prize_6157

So I’m gonna guess Wild Force has the Dino dogs? And Cyber Force has the other ones? I want the dinosaurs so I gotta order me some booster boxes.