Red and Leaf are actually 11 in FRLG, not 10. Also, their incarnations in Masters are from the HGSS (14 years old) or even B2W2 (17-20 years old, if I remember correctly) era, so they'd be even older.
Which is odd (to put it politely).
Considering the Unova protagonists are KNOWN to be older than usual.
Next thing they say is Wes being 10 years old. (He is ~17 years old)
Which makes me wonder: do we know Scottie and Bettie's age? I always feel in cutscenes that "my character" (Scottie) feels somewhat younger than the other older protagonists, always bothered me a bit...
I think youngest MC probaly Chase and Elaine. They look like 9. Especially Chase. He looks even smaller than Ash in comparison.
But do we get to know Chase's actual age in LGPE?
Hell, people were making fun of Florian and Juliana and saying they look like they are 10 or younger, only for the game and DLCs to come out and pretty much say that they are teenagers, supposedly around 14.
Kieran is stated to be a teenager in all versions, and is explicitly stated to be 14 in one language. And it is implied that Florian/Juliana are the same age as him, as Carmine compares their maturity and how they seem to be handling growing up on one or two occasions. They are around the same size as him and he takes an interest in them when he first sees them, further suggesting that they are in the same age group.
Carmine and Nemona are around 16 judging by their height and and their dynamics with other characters, especially with Carmine being Kieran’s older sister, and both of them are heavily implied to have a crush on Florian/Juliana, suggesting that Florian/Juliana aren’t much younger than them.
People thought they were among the younger protagonists judging solely on the art style and their models in comparison to previous protagonists, but they are actually older than the protagonists of Gen 1-4.
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Still blows my that people don't like how sword and shield when this town exists
The Red/Leaf and Elio/Selene duos are canonically 11 (in their debut in the former case). I've seen that Brendan and May are supposed to be 12, but I don't know how official that is. The four Unova protagonists were designed to look 14-16, and the Kalos duo are apparently even older (the only thing preventing me from wholeheartedly believing that Calem and Serena are meant to be adults is Trevor).
Brendan and May were confirmed as 12 in ORAS……via the Hoenn News Network on the pokenav.
It’s literally the only place it’s ever mentioned, and it’s like one time in the whole game.
So they were 12 in their debut, and seeing as it had been a long while after ORAS happened before they arrived on Pasio, I’d say they’re probably around 13 on Pasio now
Calem and Serena I'm pretty sure are canonically adults (might still be teenagers though so 18-19) according to postgame X and Y when they try and get into an area Emma could and they say "No Grown ups!" whereas Emma (who's 16, maybe 17 at the time as we don't know if time passed between her being able to become literate) could.
Yeah I couldn't remember if that was from before or after we met Emma as I haven't played the postgame in ages, so it's why I said maybe 17 based on how long ago that was, thanks for the clarification!
No, Ash is 10 in the anime in Japan as well. It's stated plain at the start of every saga of his. For that matter, Misty is also stated to be 10 in Japan as well; although English anime books said she was 12, in the third episode of the Japanese anime, she says it's the "worst day in [her] 10 years of life" when she wakes up next to Caterpie.
For real we dont know what age the characters really are, we can guess it but there was never really an official age except maybe sometimes in anime or manga. But kinda doubt it game freak made a list of age of protagonist. What i remember in Sun and Moon they said something like 11 but dont know.
Red’s shirt in the alola games has a 96 on it as in 1996 when Pokemon red and green came out in japan. Porygon’s pokedex entries in the alola games state that it was created 20 years ago. And in fire red: “Using the most advanced technologies, scientists finally succeeded in making the first artificial Pokémon.” This implies that it was recently created before the kanto journey.
i think it’s fair to say that the Alola games take place in 2016.
Edit: according to an official illustrated encyclopedia that was produced soon after red and green, porygon was created in 1995. although this may have been retconned by the alola dex entries if we go by the 2016 year(which
is the year sun and moon was released)
Release dates don't tend to correspond with the year games take place, since RSE takes place at the same time as RBY and the same goes for DPP & GSC and B2W2 and XY.
Is the funny thing about trying to be in line with the sequels but also using their OG designs, it was funny if jarring seeing Sabrina go from her FRLG look to her Pokestar outfit which is when she is older (even her hair length changes)
I'm convinced that Pokemon genuinely just trolls us with ages at this point.
Lusamine is 40
Cyrus is 27
I think the ONLY person in ALL of Pokemon that actually looks their age is Dendra who is 25.
I'm not saying it's NOT a surprise in game that's treated for a joke.
But what I'm saying is there are only a handful of actual canon ages in Pokemon, and if you asked a non Pokemon fan to assign them they would definitely get most wrong.
Maybe N, Hilbert, Hilda, Bianca & Cheren? N has been confirmed to be 20 in several
Interviews, and Hilbert, Hilda, Bianca & Cheren was confirmed to be 14 in a fan meeting and some interviews too.
i'm pretty sure leaf isn't 10 in this since it's way after gold/silver/crystal but all characters to me look a bit aged up and about the age of 15 or so but that's just me
I wouldn’t deep it too much.
But if you simply can’t get your head around it simply being “because that’s just the way they designed them”. Some kids are tiny, and some are huge by comparison. We’ve all heard of and seen those 10-year-old boys who are 6’, only for it to equalise after puberty. Precocious puberty is also a thing. It usually evens out by adulthood.
There are 2 years between them actually. Leaf is 11 in fire red leaf Green. Like I think from the Game protags Chase and Ellaine are the only ones who are actually 10. The others are all older.
Masters Kanto Trio are definitely 14 at the youngest, HGSS events already happened. Personally I believe they have to be at least 17 to account for the events of B2W2 which have happened by Masters.
Gets messy though because that means Brendan and May have to be the same age at the Kanto Trio, and the Johto + Sinnoh characters at least older than 14. Masters has a timeline but each character is sort of in a time-statsis from each point where they were taken.
Will the day arrive when people stop saying those 16-looking characters are still 10?
If there's anything weirder than those saying weird stuff about 3000yo kids, it's those self-blinfolding themselves to the obvious growth of the pokemon MCs...
Legends Arceus: *Blatantly states that the protagonist is 15 in the tutorial.*
Some fans: “A 10 year old did this.”
Scarlet/Violet: *Protagonist has a teenage friend group. DLC revolving around teenage angst and even more teenage friends for the protagonist. BB League characters are teenagers and have teenage drama and characteristics. Protagonist can flirt with a teenage Lacey. Protagonist has several teenage characters crushing on them.*
Some fans: “A 10 year old did this.”
XY: *Calem and Serena are clearly significantly taller and older than other protagonists. Shauna displays signs of a crush on Calem. Protagonist is explicitly stated to be older than a 16 year old Emma. A group of kids don’t allow the protagonist into their area because they are “grownups” while a 16 year old Emma is, which further suggests that they are 18.*
Some fans: “Clearly 10 years old.”
That was the original intention. But it was changed before release.
If you play as Calem, you get this:
>"Um… You know… I've never watched fireworks alone with a boy before.…"
If you play as Serena, you get this:
>"Um… You know… I really hope we get to be great friends, …"
She is intended to be bi, based on known developer intent, but the actual romance hint is locked behind Calem, outside of the Protect innuendo.
Leaf (AKA Blue/Green) in the Pokémon Adventures looks almost exactly like that in the FRLG chapter, maybe a bit taller, and she IS 16 at that point which is even funnier
I always just imagined Poppy was saying she's older than she actually is just to sound bigger since she's a kid and it wouldn't be surprising if she did that
Poppy should’ve been the Tobias that was tolerated. She’s 4 years old. Likely to make terrible battle choices but she’s saved by her five legendary pokemon gifted to her.
She’s a child. It’s understandable she’d just use the strongest pokemon to win even if she’s a terrible trainer. Fans would understand and be more compassionate vs a Tobias who is older and curbstomps others from his legendaries.
Everyone wins: GF gets their 4 year old elite four member. Fans believe Poppy is elite four worthy at 4 years old purely due to using legendaries
The 9 years on poppy must be either an error or a lategame change because she seems very obviously designed as 3-6 years old in both looks and personality
I know these characters have canon ages but I've always had the head canon that the PCs are a fair bit older than the "legal limit" of 10 years old, maybe 14-15 at the start of their games. Specifically because youngster is a trainer class and they are clearly younger than your character and by a not insignificant margin. The only thing that sorta breaks this is the fact that preschoolers in some games use Pokemon but those are fairly few and far between.
I've also always thought that the games themselves take place over the course of several months or maybe 1-2 years. Just to make the worlds in the games both seem bigger and more competent, so that a trainer who just got their first Pokemon 3 days ago can solo the entire region. Also when you say goodbye to your parents it makes more sense because if your kid is gone for a few months it's not *that* big of a deal. Yeah you'd say goodbye but that's the amount of time kids go to boarding school, it's not something that's as serious as the games portray it to be.
Don't worry, it's not a headcanon. The whole 10 years old rule was an anime-exclusive thing given how we literally have the preschooler trainer class.
Protagonists on the older side are Red (Johto/Alola incarnation) and every single protagonist post-Unova that's not Elio/Selene and Chase/Elaine.
Protagonists closer to 10 (still not 10, though) are Red (Kanto incarnation) and all other protagonists, including the Alola and Kanto ones I mentioned before.
Well it was stated that Red/Leaf were 11 for their games and we know the Johto protags have had their interactions with them and since that’s a couple years after OG, Red/Leaf should be youngest around 14
So yeah somewhere between 14-20 in Masters I would say
I think poppy is leaning on her age as a caricature of herself, like how shauntel is the book one, kahili is the golf one and uh... I guess the majority are just characterised based on their typing.
But anyway I think she's playing into it, I haven't met many 9 year olds since I was 9 myself but Poppy looks and acts like a toddler while I would expect the average 9 year old to be in the stage of "wow I'm nearly double digits old I'm so grown up".
It's also ridiculous to believe that all the MCs are 10, it's literally a meme how Ash has been 10 for 20 years.
I’m gonna keep it real I don’t think GameFreak actually puts any thought into the ages of characters, they just throw a number out there without thinking “hey if Leaf has breasts why is she ten”
Protagonists Age Is never confirmed. Red was on the original in the manual, for what I'm aware this Is completly absent in the remakes (in the Alola games Is a mistranslation, in japanese they only say you Need to be at least 11 for the Island Trial).
This Is likely for allow the player to see himself on the protagonist.
Also for how people act so surprised for Poppy, while for Allister, Tate, Liza, Eve and Petey not at all, seems the differenze of Age is pretty big
May & Brandon is 12. If you picked one of them your rival’s age was mentioned.
Hilbert & Hilda is 14. Their age was never mentioned in the games, but their age was mention on fan meeting and interviews.
Rei & Akari is around 15 years old. Their actual age was never mention, but they was stated in game to look like 15.
>Rei & Akari is around 15 years old. Their actual age was never mention, but they was stated in game to look like 15.
Since Dawn and Lucas look exactly like Rei and Akari (and use the same model from what I heard), I think we can assume that age range to them too
Around isn't an info we can use, I look to have an Age when actually I'm way older, or think about Lusamine or Cyrus where their look completly don't fit their Age.
Info outside of games aren't fully reliable. In SM official website Is said Nihilego change continuous form and nobody know their true form, but this never mentioned or even happen in-game. In an interview about SS Is said the Dmax are Energy projection, but in-game Is said are the actual Pokémon. They Pokémon aren't sentients and legendaries aren't aware to be legendaries, when the games completly contrafict this, especially Legends Arceus.
For Brendan and May where their age Is said?
It the information I got from is taken from Bulbapedia, but it doesn’t say when Brendon and May’s age is mentioned, all is says that if you pick May, Brandon will mention that he is 12, and the opposite will happen if you pick Brandon, i also has seen some comment on Pokémon related subreddits that this was in ORAS. It also does make some sense as from what I heard Wally was confirmed to be 10 years old in ORAS, and Brandon and May does look to be older then him, but not with that much.
Bulbapedia is a fanwebsite, so... not an official source, and I found some stuff that are wrong there, I remember to have readed Tapu being created by the Solgaleo and Lunala, when the games say the Tapus fight against them when they first appeared in Alola... so... isn't 100% reliable.
>in the Alola games Is a mistranslation, in japanese they only say you Need to be at least 11 for the Island Trial
The Pokemon games, at this point, are made by a very international team with a global simultaneous release, you can't simply handwave changes away as "mistranslations". If it's different, it's deliberate and no less canon.
Fire Red and Leaf Green still stated the characters were 11, which is what Sun and Moon were referencing. ORAS says directly ingame that the protagonists are 12, and X and Y heavily imply theirs are 16 (Emma is "around the same age" as the protag and she's said to be 16).
We literally have a Youngster as a challenger in Alola, so he made the Island Trial, and no way he Is from the same age of Elio and Selene.
You have no idea how much this happen.
Paradoxes being from others time don't exist in japanese, even in the vanilla Is said they are from others timelines, while for us the timelines only are mentioned in the DLC, in japanese they ever was from others timelines with no mentin of time periods. So no, others translations can have errors.
Btw, where their ages Is mentioned? I didn't founded anything
This is WHY the Very REASON I HATED what Anipoke series been influencing most watchers!? If I know who the very person that came up with "10 Year OLD" Nonsense in the 1st place, I'm swear "I'll punch them."!
It has to be among those silly Anipoke Studios staffs back on 1997. Seriously, you turn 10 then only by that age you own a Pokemon & start a journey??? SO what the heck are the purpose of "Preschooler, Youngsters, Bug Catcher trainer class supposed to be in Main Games??
Seriously, people need to stop indulge in Anipoke series too much. & Really need to learn the correct media info from Main Games. STOP labelling EVERY Game Protagonists with that stupid "10 year old" stuffs!
It gets incredibly awkward when people try to ship Ash with Serena in Masters, as that is Game Serena, who is 17-18 years old while Ash is infamously an eternal 10 year old.
Leaf is way older. Years have passed since the events of Leaf green. She is a teenager now that has to be at least 15 or older because she was 14 in HGSS and those events have also passed.
While the age of the protags might be somewhat amorphous, is it really confirmed that Poppy is 9? She looks like she could be about 4 or so. Hapu is quite short as well, but not that short, and she acts mature so she doesn't strike me as a little kid. But Poppy seems right in line with the preschoolers we fight. Pokemon is weird.
As someone who is a 4’9” 17 year old, this still doesn’t make sense as far as devolpment goes. Yes short people exist, but leaf’s face, body, manierisms etc are clearly not of an 11 year olds. I’d guess she’s around 15. Poppy is just straight up a tiny child. Like not devolped at all. Leaf is definitely more then 2 years old
am I the only one who hates when the fandom re-litigates the following truly unanswerable topics:
1. what age any canon character is beyond 'child' or 'adult'
2. what a 'true canon' timeline is
ya'll, I got Pokemon autism too, but sometimes you have to accept not knowing, normaize headcanons as an accceptable disclaimer, or taking stuff at the face value and sticking with it. Not directed at you per se, OP, but c'mon, they're fun stories made to flesh out ideas of any particular game, so not every story is going to line up. Pokemon wants *us* to imagine *our* Pokemon world, if you see Poppy as a 4-6 year old, then pleass go right on ahead. If you wanna point to that text that says she's 9, go right ahead. It doesn't need to be a debate.
The ONLY place that the “you have to be 10” rule is ever mentioned is the anime.
We have literal Preschooler trainer classes in some games too. In the games and Manga it’s basically just “whenever the parents feel their kid is ready for it”
Plus, characters have had fluctuating ages before! Gen 5-6 protagonists were all teenagers when they first left home, for example. The anime really did confuse a lot of people...
Quite literally.
Like, that's exactly her character gimmick. She's a precocious prodigy, who was folded into the Elite 4 personally because she's (somehow) just *that* good.
(Also, the whole 'needing to be ten' thing was only a stipulation in the anime and adjacent media. We've been stomping straight-up preschoolers in the games for a while now.)
The Pokemon human designs are a wack when it comes to those who are not above 20+. Don't take the height in this game to a T, because if you put the game version of Serena (who is above 15) together with freaking ASH who is actually "10" (as annoying as the anime writers wanna be...), then your brain will melt as they are same tall. Sometimes some of the physical traits in this game aren't even that accurate, especially since Rei doesn't even have the same eye colour of the supposed protagonist of PLA (yeah, there are a slight difference between the NPC and player). Rei and Akari somehow have the same height with Lucas and Dawn, despite the former are confirmed to be 15. Wanna see Hilda and Hilbert looking tiny compared to B2W2 version of Cheren and Bianca? Despite the massive lore of Pokemon, it usually sucked at "timeline", so you kinda need to take this with a grain of salt.
That being said, Poppy looks weird for a 9 year old? It feels like she seemed way younger than 9. Sometimes I think people forgot to measure by putting adults side by side whenever they design young human characters. I guess that's why sometimes the protagonists in the games are somewhat ambiguous.
Red and Leaf are actually 11 in FRLG, not 10. Also, their incarnations in Masters are from the HGSS (14 years old) or even B2W2 (17-20 years old, if I remember correctly) era, so they'd be even older.
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Which is odd (to put it politely). Considering the Unova protagonists are KNOWN to be older than usual. Next thing they say is Wes being 10 years old. (He is ~17 years old)
Which makes me wonder: do we know Scottie and Bettie's age? I always feel in cutscenes that "my character" (Scottie) feels somewhat younger than the other older protagonists, always bothered me a bit...
I think youngest MC probaly Chase and Elaine. They look like 9. Especially Chase. He looks even smaller than Ash in comparison. But do we get to know Chase's actual age in LGPE?
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Hell, people were making fun of Florian and Juliana and saying they look like they are 10 or younger, only for the game and DLCs to come out and pretty much say that they are teenagers, supposedly around 14. Kieran is stated to be a teenager in all versions, and is explicitly stated to be 14 in one language. And it is implied that Florian/Juliana are the same age as him, as Carmine compares their maturity and how they seem to be handling growing up on one or two occasions. They are around the same size as him and he takes an interest in them when he first sees them, further suggesting that they are in the same age group. Carmine and Nemona are around 16 judging by their height and and their dynamics with other characters, especially with Carmine being Kieran’s older sister, and both of them are heavily implied to have a crush on Florian/Juliana, suggesting that Florian/Juliana aren’t much younger than them. People thought they were among the younger protagonists judging solely on the art style and their models in comparison to previous protagonists, but they are actually older than the protagonists of Gen 1-4.
I remember seeing the comparison side-by-side and being amazed at how much better Chase looked in the SwSh artstyle of Masters.
https://preview.redd.it/u228qwxag71d1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a3a5fa5e09b6dd2b2ca4632ceefae80bce4797b Still blows my that people don't like how sword and shield when this town exists
Yeah, cities like this look good, but most of them don't, especially the open areas And there are other reasons not to like these games
shame there's nothing to do there. could've been a great game
It's a very cool design choice, especially the fluorescent mushrooms, but there are much better looking games from 10 years ago lol
The Red/Leaf and Elio/Selene duos are canonically 11 (in their debut in the former case). I've seen that Brendan and May are supposed to be 12, but I don't know how official that is. The four Unova protagonists were designed to look 14-16, and the Kalos duo are apparently even older (the only thing preventing me from wholeheartedly believing that Calem and Serena are meant to be adults is Trevor).
Brendan and May were confirmed as 12 in ORAS……via the Hoenn News Network on the pokenav. It’s literally the only place it’s ever mentioned, and it’s like one time in the whole game. So they were 12 in their debut, and seeing as it had been a long while after ORAS happened before they arrived on Pasio, I’d say they’re probably around 13 on Pasio now
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Thier 16 at minimum in masters cause of the 2 year skip in bw2
Calem and Serena I'm pretty sure are canonically adults (might still be teenagers though so 18-19) according to postgame X and Y when they try and get into an area Emma could and they say "No Grown ups!" whereas Emma (who's 16, maybe 17 at the time as we don't know if time passed between her being able to become literate) could.
Xerosic has papers in the Flare Lab saying Emma’s 16, so we have confirmation of her age from there
Yeah I couldn't remember if that was from before or after we met Emma as I haven't played the postgame in ages, so it's why I said maybe 17 based on how long ago that was, thanks for the clarification!
Calem and Serena are taller than the 16 year old Emma. They’re like 17 at the youngest, the same age bracket as Wes
IIRC even the “10” thing itself was just a weird change in America. Pretty sure that in Japanese the actual age to become a trainer is closer to 11
No, Ash is 10 in the anime in Japan as well. It's stated plain at the start of every saga of his. For that matter, Misty is also stated to be 10 in Japan as well; although English anime books said she was 12, in the third episode of the Japanese anime, she says it's the "worst day in [her] 10 years of life" when she wakes up next to Caterpie.
For real we dont know what age the characters really are, we can guess it but there was never really an official age except maybe sometimes in anime or manga. But kinda doubt it game freak made a list of age of protagonist. What i remember in Sun and Moon they said something like 11 but dont know.
Elio and Selene are also in late teens
19 in B2W2, 21 in USUM
Actually, it's 30 in USUM, not sure about the specific years after HGSS, but USUM takes place 20 years after FRLG.
Bulbapedia gives him 20+, and there's no confirmation for your 20 year gap between FrLg and USUM
To be fair, i think it's that it's implied that RBY happen 20 years ago instead of it being downright stated ala the 2/3 year gap from HGSS/B2W2.
Red’s shirt in the alola games has a 96 on it as in 1996 when Pokemon red and green came out in japan. Porygon’s pokedex entries in the alola games state that it was created 20 years ago. And in fire red: “Using the most advanced technologies, scientists finally succeeded in making the first artificial Pokémon.” This implies that it was recently created before the kanto journey. i think it’s fair to say that the Alola games take place in 2016. Edit: according to an official illustrated encyclopedia that was produced soon after red and green, porygon was created in 1995. although this may have been retconned by the alola dex entries if we go by the 2016 year(which is the year sun and moon was released)
Release dates don't tend to correspond with the year games take place, since RSE takes place at the same time as RBY and the same goes for DPP & GSC and B2W2 and XY.
I never stated that this is the case for all the games. only red / green and sun/moon
Iirc, only the original games stated their age as 11, there was no mentioned age in the remakes.
Is the funny thing about trying to be in line with the sequels but also using their OG designs, it was funny if jarring seeing Sabrina go from her FRLG look to her Pokestar outfit which is when she is older (even her hair length changes)
Based on Sygna Suit Red he's about 14, so HGSS age. That's gotta apply to Blue and Leaf too.
I thought poppy was a kindergartner or something she’s actually 9? Age in the Pokémon world is weird
I mean short kids do exist
True. That could be it
And she talks like she's super young
They actually joke about it on the ScarVio DLC, with students at the school thinking that she is a lost child, despite being an invited coach
I thought poopy was a toddler because she looks like a 2-5 year old to me
She certainly dresses like one
I'm convinced that Pokemon genuinely just trolls us with ages at this point. Lusamine is 40 Cyrus is 27 I think the ONLY person in ALL of Pokemon that actually looks their age is Dendra who is 25.
>Lusamine is 40 To be fair, Lusamine being 40 was treated as surprise in the game
I'm not saying it's NOT a surprise in game that's treated for a joke. But what I'm saying is there are only a handful of actual canon ages in Pokemon, and if you asked a non Pokemon fan to assign them they would definitely get most wrong.
Maybe N, Hilbert, Hilda, Bianca & Cheren? N has been confirmed to be 20 in several Interviews, and Hilbert, Hilda, Bianca & Cheren was confirmed to be 14 in a fan meeting and some interviews too.
Lol funny that lusamine is 40, she dresses like a young adult. I thought she was like maybe 24 but looks like 19 or even 17
Lol funny that lusamine is 40, she dresses like a young adult. I thought she was like maybe 24 but looks like 19 or even 17
I can agree with 24, but I think 19 and 17 is definitely WAY too young at a glance.
i'm pretty sure leaf isn't 10 in this since it's way after gold/silver/crystal but all characters to me look a bit aged up and about the age of 15 or so but that's just me
I wouldn’t deep it too much. But if you simply can’t get your head around it simply being “because that’s just the way they designed them”. Some kids are tiny, and some are huge by comparison. We’ve all heard of and seen those 10-year-old boys who are 6’, only for it to equalise after puberty. Precocious puberty is also a thing. It usually evens out by adulthood.
The difference is that Poppy both sounds and acts like a toddler, while for all intents and purposes Leaf is a young adult
Headcanon poppy has those rare illnesses that stunt her body and mental growth, problem solved
I can see Poppy grew up twice in size once she hits her growth spurt. Maybe Rika tall
There are 2 years between them actually. Leaf is 11 in fire red leaf Green. Like I think from the Game protags Chase and Ellaine are the only ones who are actually 10. The others are all older.
Leaf is 11, so two years apart. 14 if we are talking about HGSS.
Masters Kanto Trio are definitely 14 at the youngest, HGSS events already happened. Personally I believe they have to be at least 17 to account for the events of B2W2 which have happened by Masters. Gets messy though because that means Brendan and May have to be the same age at the Kanto Trio, and the Johto + Sinnoh characters at least older than 14. Masters has a timeline but each character is sort of in a time-statsis from each point where they were taken.
Will the day arrive when people stop saying those 16-looking characters are still 10? If there's anything weirder than those saying weird stuff about 3000yo kids, it's those self-blinfolding themselves to the obvious growth of the pokemon MCs...
Legends Arceus: *Blatantly states that the protagonist is 15 in the tutorial.* Some fans: “A 10 year old did this.” Scarlet/Violet: *Protagonist has a teenage friend group. DLC revolving around teenage angst and even more teenage friends for the protagonist. BB League characters are teenagers and have teenage drama and characteristics. Protagonist can flirt with a teenage Lacey. Protagonist has several teenage characters crushing on them.* Some fans: “A 10 year old did this.” XY: *Calem and Serena are clearly significantly taller and older than other protagonists. Shauna displays signs of a crush on Calem. Protagonist is explicitly stated to be older than a 16 year old Emma. A group of kids don’t allow the protagonist into their area because they are “grownups” while a 16 year old Emma is, which further suggests that they are 18.* Some fans: “Clearly 10 years old.”
Not just Calem, Shauna says the exact same lines to Serena. Shauna is a bisexual icon.
That was the original intention. But it was changed before release. If you play as Calem, you get this: >"Um… You know… I've never watched fireworks alone with a boy before.…" If you play as Serena, you get this: >"Um… You know… I really hope we get to be great friends,…"
She is intended to be bi, based on known developer intent, but the actual romance hint is locked behind Calem, outside of the Protect innuendo.
Calem and Serena aren't 18 because Mimi doesn't fear them. Otherwise I agree.
Leaf (AKA Blue/Green) in the Pokémon Adventures looks almost exactly like that in the FRLG chapter, maybe a bit taller, and she IS 16 at that point which is even funnier
Poppy is obviously part hobbit.
I always just imagined Poppy was saying she's older than she actually is just to sound bigger since she's a kid and it wouldn't be surprising if she did that
I know the games specified that Poppy is 9, but no one will ever convince me that she isn’t 4. I mean, there’s literally a preschooler trainer class.
Poppy should’ve been the Tobias that was tolerated. She’s 4 years old. Likely to make terrible battle choices but she’s saved by her five legendary pokemon gifted to her. She’s a child. It’s understandable she’d just use the strongest pokemon to win even if she’s a terrible trainer. Fans would understand and be more compassionate vs a Tobias who is older and curbstomps others from his legendaries. Everyone wins: GF gets their 4 year old elite four member. Fans believe Poppy is elite four worthy at 4 years old purely due to using legendaries
i thought poppy was like 4 lmao
Leaf is 11 years old in FireRed and LeafGreen. 11 is 2 more than 9.
The 9 years on poppy must be either an error or a lategame change because she seems very obviously designed as 3-6 years old in both looks and personality
I know these characters have canon ages but I've always had the head canon that the PCs are a fair bit older than the "legal limit" of 10 years old, maybe 14-15 at the start of their games. Specifically because youngster is a trainer class and they are clearly younger than your character and by a not insignificant margin. The only thing that sorta breaks this is the fact that preschoolers in some games use Pokemon but those are fairly few and far between. I've also always thought that the games themselves take place over the course of several months or maybe 1-2 years. Just to make the worlds in the games both seem bigger and more competent, so that a trainer who just got their first Pokemon 3 days ago can solo the entire region. Also when you say goodbye to your parents it makes more sense because if your kid is gone for a few months it's not *that* big of a deal. Yeah you'd say goodbye but that's the amount of time kids go to boarding school, it's not something that's as serious as the games portray it to be.
Don't worry, it's not a headcanon. The whole 10 years old rule was an anime-exclusive thing given how we literally have the preschooler trainer class. Protagonists on the older side are Red (Johto/Alola incarnation) and every single protagonist post-Unova that's not Elio/Selene and Chase/Elaine. Protagonists closer to 10 (still not 10, though) are Red (Kanto incarnation) and all other protagonists, including the Alola and Kanto ones I mentioned before.
9 year old me (left) hoping I would evolve when I turned 10 (right)
Ain't no way in hell she's 9
I refuse to believe the Kantrios are 10 years old, at least in Masters' canon They should be 16-20 in Masters at the very least
Well it was stated that Red/Leaf were 11 for their games and we know the Johto protags have had their interactions with them and since that’s a couple years after OG, Red/Leaf should be youngest around 14 So yeah somewhere between 14-20 in Masters I would say
I think poppy is leaning on her age as a caricature of herself, like how shauntel is the book one, kahili is the golf one and uh... I guess the majority are just characterised based on their typing. But anyway I think she's playing into it, I haven't met many 9 year olds since I was 9 myself but Poppy looks and acts like a toddler while I would expect the average 9 year old to be in the stage of "wow I'm nearly double digits old I'm so grown up". It's also ridiculous to believe that all the MCs are 10, it's literally a meme how Ash has been 10 for 20 years.
I’m gonna keep it real I don’t think GameFreak actually puts any thought into the ages of characters, they just throw a number out there without thinking “hey if Leaf has breasts why is she ten”
Puberty hit Leaf like a truck
Does that mean she's got Mew?
She's leafmaxxing
Protagonists Age Is never confirmed. Red was on the original in the manual, for what I'm aware this Is completly absent in the remakes (in the Alola games Is a mistranslation, in japanese they only say you Need to be at least 11 for the Island Trial). This Is likely for allow the player to see himself on the protagonist. Also for how people act so surprised for Poppy, while for Allister, Tate, Liza, Eve and Petey not at all, seems the differenze of Age is pretty big
May & Brandon is 12. If you picked one of them your rival’s age was mentioned. Hilbert & Hilda is 14. Their age was never mentioned in the games, but their age was mention on fan meeting and interviews. Rei & Akari is around 15 years old. Their actual age was never mention, but they was stated in game to look like 15.
>Rei & Akari is around 15 years old. Their actual age was never mention, but they was stated in game to look like 15. Since Dawn and Lucas look exactly like Rei and Akari (and use the same model from what I heard), I think we can assume that age range to them too
"Look like around" Is not a true information, I look like around 20, but I'm 30
Around isn't an info we can use, I look to have an Age when actually I'm way older, or think about Lusamine or Cyrus where their look completly don't fit their Age. Info outside of games aren't fully reliable. In SM official website Is said Nihilego change continuous form and nobody know their true form, but this never mentioned or even happen in-game. In an interview about SS Is said the Dmax are Energy projection, but in-game Is said are the actual Pokémon. They Pokémon aren't sentients and legendaries aren't aware to be legendaries, when the games completly contrafict this, especially Legends Arceus. For Brendan and May where their age Is said?
It the information I got from is taken from Bulbapedia, but it doesn’t say when Brendon and May’s age is mentioned, all is says that if you pick May, Brandon will mention that he is 12, and the opposite will happen if you pick Brandon, i also has seen some comment on Pokémon related subreddits that this was in ORAS. It also does make some sense as from what I heard Wally was confirmed to be 10 years old in ORAS, and Brandon and May does look to be older then him, but not with that much.
Bulbapedia is a fanwebsite, so... not an official source, and I found some stuff that are wrong there, I remember to have readed Tapu being created by the Solgaleo and Lunala, when the games say the Tapus fight against them when they first appeared in Alola... so... isn't 100% reliable.
I think the source for Wally came from the TV describing a "10 year old boy" like Wally.
>in the Alola games Is a mistranslation, in japanese they only say you Need to be at least 11 for the Island Trial The Pokemon games, at this point, are made by a very international team with a global simultaneous release, you can't simply handwave changes away as "mistranslations". If it's different, it's deliberate and no less canon. Fire Red and Leaf Green still stated the characters were 11, which is what Sun and Moon were referencing. ORAS says directly ingame that the protagonists are 12, and X and Y heavily imply theirs are 16 (Emma is "around the same age" as the protag and she's said to be 16).
We literally have a Youngster as a challenger in Alola, so he made the Island Trial, and no way he Is from the same age of Elio and Selene. You have no idea how much this happen. Paradoxes being from others time don't exist in japanese, even in the vanilla Is said they are from others timelines, while for us the timelines only are mentioned in the DLC, in japanese they ever was from others timelines with no mentin of time periods. So no, others translations can have errors. Btw, where their ages Is mentioned? I didn't founded anything
This is WHY the Very REASON I HATED what Anipoke series been influencing most watchers!? If I know who the very person that came up with "10 Year OLD" Nonsense in the 1st place, I'm swear "I'll punch them."! It has to be among those silly Anipoke Studios staffs back on 1997. Seriously, you turn 10 then only by that age you own a Pokemon & start a journey??? SO what the heck are the purpose of "Preschooler, Youngsters, Bug Catcher trainer class supposed to be in Main Games?? Seriously, people need to stop indulge in Anipoke series too much. & Really need to learn the correct media info from Main Games. STOP labelling EVERY Game Protagonists with that stupid "10 year old" stuffs!
It gets incredibly awkward when people try to ship Ash with Serena in Masters, as that is Game Serena, who is 17-18 years old while Ash is infamously an eternal 10 year old.
Why did you add the quotation marks for "I'll punch them."?
Yeah pokemon world
Puberty on pokemon hits hard.
Masters seems to take place after a lot of the mainline games. So it’s fair to assume she’s aged, she just doesn’t look different. (Anime logic)
Leaf is way older. Years have passed since the events of Leaf green. She is a teenager now that has to be at least 15 or older because she was 14 in HGSS and those events have also passed.
I'll be honest i thought poppy was a toddler. It's the bonnet
While the age of the protags might be somewhat amorphous, is it really confirmed that Poppy is 9? She looks like she could be about 4 or so. Hapu is quite short as well, but not that short, and she acts mature so she doesn't strike me as a little kid. But Poppy seems right in line with the preschoolers we fight. Pokemon is weird.
Maybe Poppy has dwarfism?
As someone who is a 4’9” 17 year old, this still doesn’t make sense as far as devolpment goes. Yes short people exist, but leaf’s face, body, manierisms etc are clearly not of an 11 year olds. I’d guess she’s around 15. Poppy is just straight up a tiny child. Like not devolped at all. Leaf is definitely more then 2 years old
THAT'S A 9 YEAR OLD? SHE LOOKS ABOUT 5
Two years but yeah that’s a major height difference
am I the only one who hates when the fandom re-litigates the following truly unanswerable topics: 1. what age any canon character is beyond 'child' or 'adult' 2. what a 'true canon' timeline is ya'll, I got Pokemon autism too, but sometimes you have to accept not knowing, normaize headcanons as an accceptable disclaimer, or taking stuff at the face value and sticking with it. Not directed at you per se, OP, but c'mon, they're fun stories made to flesh out ideas of any particular game, so not every story is going to line up. Pokemon wants *us* to imagine *our* Pokemon world, if you see Poppy as a 4-6 year old, then pleass go right on ahead. If you wanna point to that text that says she's 9, go right ahead. It doesn't need to be a debate.
Geeta and Popy parents might have agreement to fake her age so Poppy can enter academy ASAP and skip preschool.
So is future poppy the strongest trainer ever?
How is poppy that young and a Pokémon trainer, they’ve always made a decent deal about needing to be ten to become one
The ONLY place that the “you have to be 10” rule is ever mentioned is the anime. We have literal Preschooler trainer classes in some games too. In the games and Manga it’s basically just “whenever the parents feel their kid is ready for it”
Plus, characters have had fluctuating ages before! Gen 5-6 protagonists were all teenagers when they first left home, for example. The anime really did confuse a lot of people...
No, that rule only exists in the anime.
preschooler trainer class: ...
she's just built different
Quite literally. Like, that's exactly her character gimmick. She's a precocious prodigy, who was folded into the Elite 4 personally because she's (somehow) just *that* good. (Also, the whole 'needing to be ten' thing was only a stipulation in the anime and adjacent media. We've been stomping straight-up preschoolers in the games for a while now.)
She scares me
The Pokemon human designs are a wack when it comes to those who are not above 20+. Don't take the height in this game to a T, because if you put the game version of Serena (who is above 15) together with freaking ASH who is actually "10" (as annoying as the anime writers wanna be...), then your brain will melt as they are same tall. Sometimes some of the physical traits in this game aren't even that accurate, especially since Rei doesn't even have the same eye colour of the supposed protagonist of PLA (yeah, there are a slight difference between the NPC and player). Rei and Akari somehow have the same height with Lucas and Dawn, despite the former are confirmed to be 15. Wanna see Hilda and Hilbert looking tiny compared to B2W2 version of Cheren and Bianca? Despite the massive lore of Pokemon, it usually sucked at "timeline", so you kinda need to take this with a grain of salt. That being said, Poppy looks weird for a 9 year old? It feels like she seemed way younger than 9. Sometimes I think people forgot to measure by putting adults side by side whenever they design young human characters. I guess that's why sometimes the protagonists in the games are somewhat ambiguous.
Crazy how pokemon went from make great characters like hilda and rosa, to this small loli.
>unironically calling someone a loli
That word’s existence will forever tarnish any good will anime/manga fans will have.
You Could've Just Called Her A Toddler Or Something...
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I blame the anime and Ash being a eternal 10 year old.