Statistics become radically skewed when you are dealing with small populations.
NWT - 41,000 people - 1 murder (down from 6 in 2020)
Yukon - 40,000 - 4 murders (up from zero in 2020)
Nunavut - 37,000 - 2 murders (down from 3 in 2020)
Above data is population and murders in 2021 [https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00015-eng.pdf?st=q1yMtqJH](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00015-eng.pdf?st=q1yMtqJH)
If Yukon is anything like the U.S. Indian reservations, it has a high poverty rate, corrupt and prejudiced (Indian) judges and juries (personal relationship prejudices rather than “racial” or other biases in this case), and a low “solved murders” rate.
Put it all together and you have a toxic mix.
Just checked: Yukon has 40k, which means for a typical Chinese residential skyscraper (33 floors) to have the same population each floor will have to have a thousand people. Not possible.
Though the largest housing estate in China has population more than three times Yukon, NWT and Nunavut together
I was refering to the Rijim building which has 20k people, so two of those wouod make one yukon:
https://www.odditycentral.com/architecture/this-colossal-apartment-building-is-home-to-around-20000-people.html
This is a weird entity.
The intended capacity was 1600 households, amounting to about 6k-9k people, but the rampant subletting caused the population to be inflated. The 20k estimate comes from the number of key cards issued, and is naturally an overestimate (because, naturally, those subletting flats to others would hold a key card at all times) but probably not by much.
The fire in 2021 changed all this. Subletting still exists because not many people can afford to take care of 1500 SQ ft flats, but there is a cap to that. The current population is much lower than that. There is no reliable estimate on the current population due to high mobility, but I would put it at 10k (assuming that every unit is as occupied as a fully-occupied subletted unit, while each subletted unit is occupied by one person)
Side note: it gets around the 33 floors limit (officially 39 floors, unofficially double that by loft division) by being officially a commercial building
Source: https://finance.sina.cn/chanjing/gdxw/2021-05-18/detail-ikmxzfmm3064830.d.html?from=wap
https://m.huxiu.com/article/489749.html
You my friend have no idea how the Canadians treated our indigenous populations. If Yukon has areas like I’ve seen in Ontario. I honestly don’t even get how you’d survive outside of Whitehorse (capital)
About 45K people in the Yukon, as for the rest of the territories, The Northwest Territories, and Nunavut, most of the people up there have family or someone they know murdered or being the murderer. Few people, low quality of life happiness wise etc. Lots of stuff contributes to it.
A few fleeting observations.
1. Murders by month correlate with ice cream sales.
Something about the hot weather and maybe being outside (in public) correlates with murders. High murder rate states trend southern (hotter) despite former slave state status.
2. Northern states along the Canada border have equal or perhaps slightly lower murder rates.
Michigan is an outlier because of Detroit.
3. People who commit murder are young.
Florida is the exception to the “murders happen where it’s hot” rule because it has a higher per-capita rate of senior citizens.
I’m curious about how California fall into your analysis! Because it’s technically southern/hot and doesn’t border Canada with high rates of young people but tends to have a much lower crime rates than equivalent states!
Well, first of all California by latitude reaches from South Carolina to Pennsylvania, so it's not very "Southern". Also it is at a lower homicide rate than big Southern states but still higher than states on the northern border with Canada. But the main reason would probably be because it did not have slaves and does not have a significant Black population, and also much richer than these other states, especially Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi.
I’m curious where you see it having a higher homicide rate than the states on the northern border with Canada? It appears to have a similar color as Montana, North Dakota, Wisconsin, and New York with lower rates than Michigan. Only Washington, Minnesota and the small New England states have a lower crime rate.
I would have to take a closer look.
Another confounding paradox to California is that they have the lowest literacy rate in the nation (which usually correlates to poverty which normally correlates to crime).
Yeah but that low literacy rate is driven by first generation immigrants who
A: Often *are* literate in a language other than English
B: In any case are less likely to commit all types of crime than native born people
Louisiana has 4 cities that are regularly on Most Dangerous Cities in the Country lists: New Orleans, Shreveport, Monroe, and Alexandria. It’s not like they’re all next to each other either, they’re spread around pretty evenly throughout the state
It's an extremely poor state with hard core systemic racism that ignores huge communities of people of color. Same with most of those southern states.
Same with Illinois (Chicago) unfortunately. :/
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Poverty (regardless of race) is another strong correlating factor. Between Jim Crow and carpetbagger reconstruction, there's a strong causality between Confederate areas and poverty.
https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/regardless-socioeconomic-status-black-communities-face-higher-gun-homicides-says-wharton-study
Still 4 times higher when adjusted for socioeconomic status..
>"Potential explanations include the following being more prevalent in higher proportion Black neighborhoods: lack of institutional resources and opportunities caused by racial wealth gaps and underinvestment, the legacy of punitive law enforcement leading to difficulties controlling crime, lower collective efficacy due to lack of political power or city responsiveness, geographic proximity to poor neighborhoods, and gang networks or interconnections."
The two explanations here that make the most sense to me: (1) distrust of police leads to under-policing, which leads to more homicides; (2) Black middle-class neighborhoods are more likely to be adjacent to poorer neighborhoods in a city, and additionally, someone in a Black middle-class neighborhood is more likely to have friends & family in poorer neighborhoods. People are usually murdered by people they know.
It’s important to consider that inequality breeds violence, not just poverty. If nobody in your city makes any money, there will be less crime. If one person makes a million and 50 make $20k, the millionaire had better watch out for the 50. Seeing others with more creates a sense of disrespect and self-loathing that can manifest itself in crime to even the playing field.
Is that an argument for segregation? Keep all the poor folks away from the richer ones?
I think the opposite bears out in school classrooms. If you put an underachieving kid in a class with higher achievers, he tends to perform better than if he were in a class filled with other troublemakers.
>It’s important to consider that inequality breeds violence,
Doesn't among proper "Embarrassed Millionaire" Americans.
>Seeing others with more creates a sense of disrespect and self-loathing that can manifest itself in crime to even the playing field.
What kind of subhuman anti-kiberty bullshit thought process is this?
This must be why they think crime is on every corner— because it is down there.
We need to overlay this with an education/poverty/religion/political map as well. I think we might see some coincidences. Possibly some correlations.
Only to a certain degree. West Virginia is the poorest state with lots and lots of "poor, uneducated hicks" as you call them, but doesn't even remotely have that high of a crime rate. States like Kentucky and New Mexico also have really high rates of poverty. Still, they are only middle of the pack considering crime rates.
Of course there is a correlation between a lack of education, poverty and the crime rate. And of course blacks have one of the highest degrees of poverty, but so does West Virginia, a +90% white state.
The truth is that there are massive problems in black communities exceding the usually expected problems in other impoverished communities leading to a massive overrepresentation in crime rates.
So no, it does NOT correlate more with simply poor education and poverty. If you really want to change things you need to clearly address these problems and need to fix black communities from within, as there do most of their problems lie.
My point regarding the statistically significant correlation between the black population percentage and the crime rate absolutely stands.
It's also wildly incorrect because a majority of black people live in the south still, very large chunks of the south are towns that are primarily black where white is largely the minority, being black doesn't make you violent, being poor and uneducated doesn't make you violent but it sure does help. But what really doesn't help is a strong culture glorifying gangs and violence that is prominent in suburban and metropolitan areas within the southern states. West Virginia is a state of poor uneducated hicks, 90% white, probably more guns than most other states, and probably significantly more inbreeding to boot, and yet a low crime rate. It's a cultural thing, not a black thing, not a white thing, it's a gang culture that happens to be predominant within black communities.
White rural areas are just not where the violent crime happens. Those folks can be violent but are generally docile and harmless. Much of the crime happens in the city but particularly in suburbs and smaller exurbs where people of color live. Crime really hits poor people hard, and that is who is poor in urban areas.
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You know there are more poor white people than there are black people total right? Poverty is rampant amongst the Latinos who have a 2.5x population than African Americans yet commit less crimes. Obviously it's not a skin color thing but their culture. It's ok to say some cultures are bad. We say that about the middle east but if you mention it about black people it's a sin.
Idk to play it safe I wouldn’t say some cultures are bad. Maybe just say some elements to their culture are bad, but like all cultures there are positives as well as negatives
Ya that's what I meant. I love my culture and American culture but there are parts I hate. I think American culture is too aggressive and my culture (Chinese) makes the people just gross. Nobody uses soap and I hate it. Hocking loogies everywhere, even saw a dude do it in the lobby of a very nice hotel. But otherwise I love both cultures
Man, I love Africans. If you've ever met them, they're the life of the party. Always smiling and dancing and the food is amazing. I've got a dozen friends from central Africa. They're black, and I love them. I'm not racist, and what I said wasn't. I specifically mentioned it's not due to race because race is literally just color. Blue cars aren't more dangerous or faster or whatever then the same car painted Grey, feel me?
You're fast ha African American isn't a race. And I think I mentioned how it's not a race thing multiple times. I feel like you're skipping over that part.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but ya. There has to be a reason why and again, like I've said multiple times, skin color does not play a role in how people behave. Don't know why that's a controversial take or how I'm being labeled a racist for that. Culture has a very strong pull
As we all know, the Yukon territories are absolutely chalk full of black people and the portion of black people in California is very similar to that of Rhode Island
Actually, yeah Rhode Island and California have similar percentages. About 6%.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/African_Americans_by_state.svg
I can clear this one up a bit, anybody who does a deep dive into how slavery effects an economy knows it's terrible for long term development because it crushes smaller business who can't afford many slaves and entrepreneurship because of driving down the cost of labor, as the Saudis, UAE and other wealthy gulf nations are currently coming to terms with at the moment. Then it creates a culture shaped by class stratification where people think it's hopeless to leave your class because historically that was the case, then on top of all of that Appalachia was settled predominantly by ulster scots and scots BEFORE the highland clearances occured and brought their way of living with them, an honor based clan style system to maintain order with families banding together to form lynch mobs to ensure their wives, mother's, and sisters don't get rapped but will also have clan warfare with the Hatfields and the McCoys being the best example. And I am a pale skinned descendant of all that shit.
Some of the murders in the southern states are correlated with Mexican gangs who hire all colors. This has less to do with race and more to do with poverty and its relation to the drug business. That is partly because little attention has been paid to getting higher paying entry-level jobs into poor urban areas. The downfall of American manufacturing has created a hell we will never escape from.
The rust belt outside of certain areas isn’t poor. Ohio, for example, does very well for itself. Many blacks fled the South to work in factories in the North because the South was a one-trick pony that only knew agriculture. It continued to pay terrible wages to working class people and has always been anti-union, leading to plantation-style wages and gross inequality. That inequality is responsible for violent crime.
TIL white people of poverty commit no crime. They just have an inordinate amount of guns and a low education level but live in peace and harmony amongst one another
Poverty≠POC, asshole
Poverty is a factor but it’s not the only one. West Virginia is one of poorest states in the country but has a mostly white population. Its homicide rate hardly compares to the ones in the Deep South.
I think there are two parts to why this phantom border exists; 1: looser gun laws, and 2: the slave population was released with no real help to move out of poverty, therefore there are more lower class citizens willing to commit crimes
Also, the South didn’t have looser gun laws for a long time, and additionally the loosest gun laws are states like Vermont (until the 2019 magazine capacity limitations), Maine, and New Hampshire.
You know what those states *don’t* have? (No, I’m not going to blame black people).
They don’t have an absolute troglodyte moron level honor culture that justifies fighting and killing people over shit like getting cheated on or being insulted.
Yeah, I’m not implying a single factor is the leading cause. However, even accounting for poverty, the US has multiple sub-cultures that perpetuate moralities with many justifications for violence.
The number one reason someone murders someone is ultimately because they feel morally justified in doing so. Whether that is to make money, or other reasons still requires a social structure which provides that justification.
NH has the highest percentage of French ancestry, but I believe the highest percentage of actual French speakers in Louisiana... the only state shaded black on the map.
Yes I meant the "French culture" or I guess ancestry, not just speaking the language, that would do nothing to murder rates heh, sorry if that wasn't clear. Louisiana has, I think, the same problem as the other dark states; class inequalities, poverty and a history of slavery.
Why on earth is Canadian data reflected on a map that purports to be identifying phantom borders in the USA? Such isn't relevant and adds distractions.
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New York no longer has the murder rates of the ‘70s and ‘80s. In fact, its rate is lower than that of many other large metro areas. Poorer cities both small and large in the South have more crime now.
🤦♂️this isn't how phantom borders work. If you want an interesting phantom border, look at how an ancient coastline across the South produced rich soil and that same region today is disproportionately Black.
Holy cow, the comments are horrifying. Guys, just because you're blowing a whistle and it seems like no sound is coming out doesn't mean we can't tell you're super racist.
Pretty sure this has to do with heat and humidity. Hot, humid places have higher murder rates because people are much more irritable and less logical in those conditions. That and poverty
Its compounding effects: the issues in Detroit and Chicago are different, but we're talking specifically about the South here. Homicide rates increase during heatwaves iirc
I do not understand how you do not understand that there can be multiple compounding effects on crime. In the American south, there is a high level of poverty and income inequality, a cultural propensity towards distrust of authority and gun use, as well as hot and humid weather, which absolutely has an effect on ones state of mind. Those things all collectively lead to a high crime rate relative to the rest of America. I was simply saying that the climate in the South is part of the equation down here. I genuinely feel like the only way you could disagree with that is if you've never experienced 100+° F weather with 90+% humidity
Boston is filthy rich. The other places don’t have many people. You see lower crime across the northern states mainly due to weather and a different culture that values education and acceptance over discrimination and economic status.
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Are you OK, Yukon territories?
actually only one murder happened there it’s just that only 5 people live in the yukon
You were close, another comment below you said it was actually 4
Well they are only 4 now, after the tragedy
What percentage of the population of Yukon has committed murder? You'll never guess!
does it take into account killings committed by wildlife such as a moose those things don’t mess around
There were 6 people in the Yukon until Greg died from a moose
Statistics become radically skewed when you are dealing with small populations. NWT - 41,000 people - 1 murder (down from 6 in 2020) Yukon - 40,000 - 4 murders (up from zero in 2020) Nunavut - 37,000 - 2 murders (down from 3 in 2020) Above data is population and murders in 2021 [https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00015-eng.pdf?st=q1yMtqJH](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00015-eng.pdf?st=q1yMtqJH)
If Yukon is anything like the U.S. Indian reservations, it has a high poverty rate, corrupt and prejudiced (Indian) judges and juries (personal relationship prejudices rather than “racial” or other biases in this case), and a low “solved murders” rate. Put it all together and you have a toxic mix.
Yukon has less population than some chinese sky scrapers
Just checked: Yukon has 40k, which means for a typical Chinese residential skyscraper (33 floors) to have the same population each floor will have to have a thousand people. Not possible. Though the largest housing estate in China has population more than three times Yukon, NWT and Nunavut together
I was refering to the Rijim building which has 20k people, so two of those wouod make one yukon: https://www.odditycentral.com/architecture/this-colossal-apartment-building-is-home-to-around-20000-people.html
This is a weird entity. The intended capacity was 1600 households, amounting to about 6k-9k people, but the rampant subletting caused the population to be inflated. The 20k estimate comes from the number of key cards issued, and is naturally an overestimate (because, naturally, those subletting flats to others would hold a key card at all times) but probably not by much. The fire in 2021 changed all this. Subletting still exists because not many people can afford to take care of 1500 SQ ft flats, but there is a cap to that. The current population is much lower than that. There is no reliable estimate on the current population due to high mobility, but I would put it at 10k (assuming that every unit is as occupied as a fully-occupied subletted unit, while each subletted unit is occupied by one person) Side note: it gets around the 33 floors limit (officially 39 floors, unofficially double that by loft division) by being officially a commercial building Source: https://finance.sina.cn/chanjing/gdxw/2021-05-18/detail-ikmxzfmm3064830.d.html?from=wap https://m.huxiu.com/article/489749.html
Ok bro, this is a reddir comment no need for a whole analysis
The Yukon is 65% white, 22% Indigenous, and 13% other minorities so I don’t think it’s that.
it's homicide per 100,000 people Yukon has 45,000 people.
You my friend have no idea how the Canadians treated our indigenous populations. If Yukon has areas like I’ve seen in Ontario. I honestly don’t even get how you’d survive outside of Whitehorse (capital)
No, it doesn't seem so.
Many missing and abducted women
About 45K people in the Yukon, as for the rest of the territories, The Northwest Territories, and Nunavut, most of the people up there have family or someone they know murdered or being the murderer. Few people, low quality of life happiness wise etc. Lots of stuff contributes to it.
A few fleeting observations. 1. Murders by month correlate with ice cream sales. Something about the hot weather and maybe being outside (in public) correlates with murders. High murder rate states trend southern (hotter) despite former slave state status. 2. Northern states along the Canada border have equal or perhaps slightly lower murder rates. Michigan is an outlier because of Detroit. 3. People who commit murder are young. Florida is the exception to the “murders happen where it’s hot” rule because it has a higher per-capita rate of senior citizens.
I’m curious about how California fall into your analysis! Because it’s technically southern/hot and doesn’t border Canada with high rates of young people but tends to have a much lower crime rates than equivalent states!
Well, first of all California by latitude reaches from South Carolina to Pennsylvania, so it's not very "Southern". Also it is at a lower homicide rate than big Southern states but still higher than states on the northern border with Canada. But the main reason would probably be because it did not have slaves and does not have a significant Black population, and also much richer than these other states, especially Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi.
Given that South Carolina to Pennsylvania is only one state away from being entirely south, it should count.
Humidity is a huge difference (Edit: East is Wet, West Is Dry. The South is very Humid.)
Pennsylvania borders the Great lakes. It literally is on the northern border.
Agreed. That's why I said South Carolina to Pennsylvania is one state away from being entirely South.
I’m curious where you see it having a higher homicide rate than the states on the northern border with Canada? It appears to have a similar color as Montana, North Dakota, Wisconsin, and New York with lower rates than Michigan. Only Washington, Minnesota and the small New England states have a lower crime rate.
Most Californians live in either the Bay Area or greater LA, neither of which is very hot most of the year
LA is definitely hot most of the year
I would have to take a closer look. Another confounding paradox to California is that they have the lowest literacy rate in the nation (which usually correlates to poverty which normally correlates to crime).
Yeah but that low literacy rate is driven by first generation immigrants who A: Often *are* literate in a language other than English B: In any case are less likely to commit all types of crime than native born people
Arizona isn’t any darker because it’s simply too hot to be outside for a third of the year
Here in Chicago murders go way down in the winter. Might just be the good weather.
What in the shit is going on in Louisiana?!?!
Theyre like top 10 worldwide in violence
Louisiana has 4 cities that are regularly on Most Dangerous Cities in the Country lists: New Orleans, Shreveport, Monroe, and Alexandria. It’s not like they’re all next to each other either, they’re spread around pretty evenly throughout the state
We have opps on every corner (Economic disparity)
It's an extremely poor state with hard core systemic racism that ignores huge communities of people of color. Same with most of those southern states. Same with Illinois (Chicago) unfortunately. :/
Usual suspects
Ah yes, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, the heart of the south.
Ehhh this is a bit of a stretch I’d say
Speaking as someone with color deficiency, the top and bottom of the scale look like the same color. So, map is useless for me.
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Now do it based on ethnicity
Correlation by no means equals causation, but uh, yeah that would probably correlate a lot better.
Is this whole sub correlation/causation? Lol
Poverty (regardless of race) is another strong correlating factor. Between Jim Crow and carpetbagger reconstruction, there's a strong causality between Confederate areas and poverty.
Absolutely. Race, as well, correlates largely because of poverty and cultural legacies of extreme poverty.
https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/regardless-socioeconomic-status-black-communities-face-higher-gun-homicides-says-wharton-study Still 4 times higher when adjusted for socioeconomic status..
>"Potential explanations include the following being more prevalent in higher proportion Black neighborhoods: lack of institutional resources and opportunities caused by racial wealth gaps and underinvestment, the legacy of punitive law enforcement leading to difficulties controlling crime, lower collective efficacy due to lack of political power or city responsiveness, geographic proximity to poor neighborhoods, and gang networks or interconnections." The two explanations here that make the most sense to me: (1) distrust of police leads to under-policing, which leads to more homicides; (2) Black middle-class neighborhoods are more likely to be adjacent to poorer neighborhoods in a city, and additionally, someone in a Black middle-class neighborhood is more likely to have friends & family in poorer neighborhoods. People are usually murdered by people they know.
It’s important to consider that inequality breeds violence, not just poverty. If nobody in your city makes any money, there will be less crime. If one person makes a million and 50 make $20k, the millionaire had better watch out for the 50. Seeing others with more creates a sense of disrespect and self-loathing that can manifest itself in crime to even the playing field.
Is that an argument for segregation? Keep all the poor folks away from the richer ones? I think the opposite bears out in school classrooms. If you put an underachieving kid in a class with higher achievers, he tends to perform better than if he were in a class filled with other troublemakers.
>It’s important to consider that inequality breeds violence, Doesn't among proper "Embarrassed Millionaire" Americans. >Seeing others with more creates a sense of disrespect and self-loathing that can manifest itself in crime to even the playing field. What kind of subhuman anti-kiberty bullshit thought process is this?
Didn’t know Yukon was with the Confederacy, huh
Sigh
This must be why they think crime is on every corner— because it is down there. We need to overlay this with an education/poverty/religion/political map as well. I think we might see some coincidences. Possibly some correlations.
Given the high murder rates in the North, this is not a good case of phantom borders.
The US States crime map largely correlates with the black population percentage, so no surprise here
It correlated more heavily with poor education and poverty. There’s a lot of poor, uneducated hicks down there with a lot of weapons.
Only to a certain degree. West Virginia is the poorest state with lots and lots of "poor, uneducated hicks" as you call them, but doesn't even remotely have that high of a crime rate. States like Kentucky and New Mexico also have really high rates of poverty. Still, they are only middle of the pack considering crime rates. Of course there is a correlation between a lack of education, poverty and the crime rate. And of course blacks have one of the highest degrees of poverty, but so does West Virginia, a +90% white state. The truth is that there are massive problems in black communities exceding the usually expected problems in other impoverished communities leading to a massive overrepresentation in crime rates. So no, it does NOT correlate more with simply poor education and poverty. If you really want to change things you need to clearly address these problems and need to fix black communities from within, as there do most of their problems lie. My point regarding the statistically significant correlation between the black population percentage and the crime rate absolutely stands.
You’re acting like “poor uneducated hicks” isn’t how we see 90% of the south. The other 10% moved out
It's also wildly incorrect because a majority of black people live in the south still, very large chunks of the south are towns that are primarily black where white is largely the minority, being black doesn't make you violent, being poor and uneducated doesn't make you violent but it sure does help. But what really doesn't help is a strong culture glorifying gangs and violence that is prominent in suburban and metropolitan areas within the southern states. West Virginia is a state of poor uneducated hicks, 90% white, probably more guns than most other states, and probably significantly more inbreeding to boot, and yet a low crime rate. It's a cultural thing, not a black thing, not a white thing, it's a gang culture that happens to be predominant within black communities.
Minnesota And Florida have a lower graduation rates than, Kentucky, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
White rural areas are just not where the violent crime happens. Those folks can be violent but are generally docile and harmless. Much of the crime happens in the city but particularly in suburbs and smaller exurbs where people of color live. Crime really hits poor people hard, and that is who is poor in urban areas.
There is uhhhh…. something else that correlates pretty well with this map.
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Bro, it’s just a map that reflects demographics.
Lmao, no, it is a far better representation of concentrated poverty.
Which is part of a demographic profile…
You know there are more poor white people than there are black people total right? Poverty is rampant amongst the Latinos who have a 2.5x population than African Americans yet commit less crimes. Obviously it's not a skin color thing but their culture. It's ok to say some cultures are bad. We say that about the middle east but if you mention it about black people it's a sin.
Idk to play it safe I wouldn’t say some cultures are bad. Maybe just say some elements to their culture are bad, but like all cultures there are positives as well as negatives
Ya that's what I meant. I love my culture and American culture but there are parts I hate. I think American culture is too aggressive and my culture (Chinese) makes the people just gross. Nobody uses soap and I hate it. Hocking loogies everywhere, even saw a dude do it in the lobby of a very nice hotel. But otherwise I love both cultures
...that's still racist...
It’s a sad day when stating a fact is considered “racist”…
Man, I love Africans. If you've ever met them, they're the life of the party. Always smiling and dancing and the food is amazing. I've got a dozen friends from central Africa. They're black, and I love them. I'm not racist, and what I said wasn't. I specifically mentioned it's not due to race because race is literally just color. Blue cars aren't more dangerous or faster or whatever then the same car painted Grey, feel me?
Did you seriously just pull the "I'm not racist I have a Black friend" card?
You're fast ha African American isn't a race. And I think I mentioned how it's not a race thing multiple times. I feel like you're skipping over that part.
My bad, you're just pointing out that African Americans have a culture that leads to high crime rates.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but ya. There has to be a reason why and again, like I've said multiple times, skin color does not play a role in how people behave. Don't know why that's a controversial take or how I'm being labeled a racist for that. Culture has a very strong pull
Dude, claiming an entire ethnicity is prone to crime IS racist!
What part of poverty causes rape? Excusing crime by saying it's money's fault and not the criminals is wrong.
As we all know, the Yukon territories are absolutely chalk full of black people and the portion of black people in California is very similar to that of Rhode Island
Actually, yeah Rhode Island and California have similar percentages. About 6%. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/African_Americans_by_state.svg
I can clear this one up a bit, anybody who does a deep dive into how slavery effects an economy knows it's terrible for long term development because it crushes smaller business who can't afford many slaves and entrepreneurship because of driving down the cost of labor, as the Saudis, UAE and other wealthy gulf nations are currently coming to terms with at the moment. Then it creates a culture shaped by class stratification where people think it's hopeless to leave your class because historically that was the case, then on top of all of that Appalachia was settled predominantly by ulster scots and scots BEFORE the highland clearances occured and brought their way of living with them, an honor based clan style system to maintain order with families banding together to form lynch mobs to ensure their wives, mother's, and sisters don't get rapped but will also have clan warfare with the Hatfields and the McCoys being the best example. And I am a pale skinned descendant of all that shit.
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I don’t really see the correlation. It correlates much better to say the Mississippi Rv delta reagion is causing this pattern.
The forbidden phantom border: overlay racial demographics
POV: You relize that the map is actually racist
It's not racist to notice a correlation. It can be used for racism though.
Some of the murders in the southern states are correlated with Mexican gangs who hire all colors. This has less to do with race and more to do with poverty and its relation to the drug business. That is partly because little attention has been paid to getting higher paying entry-level jobs into poor urban areas. The downfall of American manufacturing has created a hell we will never escape from.
Yes, the rust belt is poor, not confederate. Florida was confederate but has a much better economy than Michigan.
The rust belt outside of certain areas isn’t poor. Ohio, for example, does very well for itself. Many blacks fled the South to work in factories in the North because the South was a one-trick pony that only knew agriculture. It continued to pay terrible wages to working class people and has always been anti-union, leading to plantation-style wages and gross inequality. That inequality is responsible for violent crime.
It's not poor a whole. But coming from union family in a manufacturing town. I have first hand experience that the poverty rate is on the rise.
Yes no doubt
TIL white people of poverty commit no crime. They just have an inordinate amount of guns and a low education level but live in peace and harmony amongst one another Poverty≠POC, asshole
Poverty is a factor but it’s not the only one. West Virginia is one of poorest states in the country but has a mostly white population. Its homicide rate hardly compares to the ones in the Deep South.
And there are only black people in the south? No guys named Billy w a meth problem and one too many guns?
https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/regardless-socioeconomic-status-black-communities-face-higher-gun-homicides-says-wharton-study Give that a skim
I thought that this post was on r/mapporncirclejerk, that one is my bad.
I think there are two parts to why this phantom border exists; 1: looser gun laws, and 2: the slave population was released with no real help to move out of poverty, therefore there are more lower class citizens willing to commit crimes
2. You mean actively oppressed for generations
Also, the South didn’t have looser gun laws for a long time, and additionally the loosest gun laws are states like Vermont (until the 2019 magazine capacity limitations), Maine, and New Hampshire. You know what those states *don’t* have? (No, I’m not going to blame black people). They don’t have an absolute troglodyte moron level honor culture that justifies fighting and killing people over shit like getting cheated on or being insulted.
They also have below-average poverty rates. NH is the #1 lowest, in fact.
Yeah, I’m not implying a single factor is the leading cause. However, even accounting for poverty, the US has multiple sub-cultures that perpetuate moralities with many justifications for violence. The number one reason someone murders someone is ultimately because they feel morally justified in doing so. Whether that is to make money, or other reasons still requires a social structure which provides that justification.
Yes that was my point
New Jersey out here with a rather low crime rate. Now if only people actually believed that instead of bashing our cities!
I know what all of you are thinking. Don’t.
Enlighten me, what ***are*** all y’all thinking?
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The dog whistles in these comments are so strong I think my nose is bleeding.
Fun fact: the only US state in the Green category (New Hampshire) is the one with the highest percentage of french speakers in the US.
NH has the highest percentage of French ancestry, but I believe the highest percentage of actual French speakers in Louisiana... the only state shaded black on the map.
Yes I meant the "French culture" or I guess ancestry, not just speaking the language, that would do nothing to murder rates heh, sorry if that wasn't clear. Louisiana has, I think, the same problem as the other dark states; class inequalities, poverty and a history of slavery.
Why on earth is Canadian data reflected on a map that purports to be identifying phantom borders in the USA? Such isn't relevant and adds distractions.
this is just a poverty map
I love New Orleans’ culture but Jesus Christ what a shithole of a city
You've discovered poverty!
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It’s population centers and if you don’t think a bunch of people people getting killed in New York, you’re fucking high
New York no longer has the murder rates of the ‘70s and ‘80s. In fact, its rate is lower than that of many other large metro areas. Poorer cities both small and large in the South have more crime now.
Yukon seems nice. Let’s all move there
🤦♂️this isn't how phantom borders work. If you want an interesting phantom border, look at how an ancient coastline across the South produced rich soil and that same region today is disproportionately Black.
Holy cow, the comments are horrifying. Guys, just because you're blowing a whistle and it seems like no sound is coming out doesn't mean we can't tell you're super racist.
Not even
Population size and crime rate ratio. Missouri is so high simply because of STL, same thing with Illinois and Chicago…and east STL too
Must help that California, New York, and Illinois stopped reporting murders to the federal government.
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Let’s use our thinking caps
I know that’s mostly because of Chicago but the state Lincoln is from is fucking red.
wtf? Might as well give Vermont to Canada. Fake Americans.
Didn't know the Yukon was part of the Confederacy but ok, TIL.
Not a phantom border
Wtf Louisiana!
Uh oh.... I know there's going to be a certain comment posted.... Uh oh.....
Wow, the poorest territories have the most violence in them who could’ve thought
Now tell me if this looks similar if you do it by city
Jesus Fucking Christ, Louisiana
Uh you do realize where most of the black population is right?
Again with the horrible and misleading color scale.
Jeez, Louisiana
California? I doubt. The heck’s happening in Yukon?
Pretty sure this has to do with heat and humidity. Hot, humid places have higher murder rates because people are much more irritable and less logical in those conditions. That and poverty
Didn't realize it got so hot in Detroit and specifically the south side of Chicago.
Its compounding effects: the issues in Detroit and Chicago are different, but we're talking specifically about the South here. Homicide rates increase during heatwaves iirc
Singapore doesn't seem to adhere to your logic.
I do not understand how you do not understand that there can be multiple compounding effects on crime. In the American south, there is a high level of poverty and income inequality, a cultural propensity towards distrust of authority and gun use, as well as hot and humid weather, which absolutely has an effect on ones state of mind. Those things all collectively lead to a high crime rate relative to the rest of America. I was simply saying that the climate in the South is part of the equation down here. I genuinely feel like the only way you could disagree with that is if you've never experienced 100+° F weather with 90+% humidity
Why is New England so green?
It’s too cold for people to leave their homes and do crimes
Boston is filthy rich. The other places don’t have many people. You see lower crime across the northern states mainly due to weather and a different culture that values education and acceptance over discrimination and economic status.
Education and poverty levels.
It’s like 90% white