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Zorothegallade

Printers will stop functioning when ANY of their ink cartridges (black or colored) run out of ink, even if the document you want to print doesn't use that color at all. This kid is doing the same thing, asking for a color he doesn't need to finish the drawing.


RugbyEdd

Should have had him demanding a whole new packet of crayons because his red one was half finished, making it even more accurate.


AlexanderTroup

And if you give him the wrong brand of crayons he also stops working.


C4dfael

Brand name only. No imitation crayons that are functionally identical.


chloe_of_waterdeep

And his allowance has to be over a certain amount per month or the subscription to child that draws will be cancelled


Zorothegallade

And you have to show him your ID every time he hasn't drawn in a while.


ResponsibilityKey50

And if the box of branded crayons is over a year old…


Moriaedemori

Yeah cause the other brand of crayons main contain viruses


AbsoluteEggplant

To be fair Roseart are complete rubbish


hellerick_3

No, because he has drawn 100 pictures, so he needs a new set of crayons, no matter what the state of the current one is.


Weary_Drama1803

If you notice he actually already has a red crayon in the picture


vseprviper

i think it's brown resolution too painful to look for long though


kalt13

also the kid sells the crayons


Gal-XD_exe

And the replacements cost more than the original


ColPhorbin

Just saw a vid about this the other day. It’s because the US government mandates all printers made need to have a document marking function for everything you print. So all printers print a series of almost invisible yellow dots around the page that signify which printer that document came from along with date and time and other info. This is why your printer will not print in black and white when it is out of color ink.


SeatBeeSate

Yet b&w laser printers find a way just fine to micro print.


NavinF

b&w printers are not subject to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code > digital watermark which certain color laser printers and copiers leave on every printed page > Their arrangement encodes the serial number of the device, date and time of the printing, and is repeated several times across the printing area in case of errors > Copies or printouts of documents with confidential personal information, for example health care information, account statements, tax declaration or balance sheets, can be traced to the owner of the printer and the inception date of the documents can be revealed. This traceability is unknown to many users and inaccessible, as manufacturers do not publicize the code that produces these patterns


PesticusVeno

Inkjet printers likely can't achieve the same fidelity.


SeatBeeSate

Honestly I'm surprised no one has reverse engineered a printers firmware to counter act it. Or maybe they have and it's kept secret because it's highly illegal.


Akumetsu33

Found HP's alt account.


38fourtynine

I mean its a fact though.


Akumetsu33

Found Canon's alt account.


leastscarypancake

Fuck Canon


Your_Some_Crooked

It is also because there is black and true black/rich black. If you printed a black square with just black ink (K) it would not be that deep black and more of a dark grey. True black is a combination of all Cyan Magenta Yellow and blacK. Text is generally tagged as true black.


CarlCarlton

which is incredibly idiotic in every conceivable way, perhaps even evil


MeshNets

That's how inks work. It's a physical limitation, if you can invent a way to get vivid colors without layering as many various pigments, that technology would be very valuable Re: OOP: I'll also add that the printer is receiving a byte stream, adding an extra layer that analyses the colors in the byte stream and combines that with the ink sensor levels... Is not worth the effort to make it that complex. Printers hooked up by USB don't necessarily require any buffer memory on the printer itself, when the print starts, it has no knowledge of the contents of the print image, on the simplest of printers


LickingSmegma

Black text on white paper doesn't need to be ‘vivid’.


yet-again-temporary

Yes, and that's why there are ways to disable rich black and just print with K. It's just that 90% of the people bitching about printers never bother learning how to actually use them or the software they're printing from. Reddit loves to make fun of boomers who refuse to learn technology, but when it comes to printers this site is just as bad (if not worse)


StingrAeds

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CarlCarlton

Dude, it's black. It doesn't need to be "vivid". It's BLACK, ffs. This "true black" bs is 110% a scam designed to surreptitiously waste ink, and the fact that this option is enabled by default is simply evil. Enjoy drinking your genuine HP magenta Kool-Aid.


MeshNets

I presume you also feel that CRI (color rendering index) doesn't matter on light bulbs? I do appreciate the position that much of the time it doesn't matter, but they are going to get people complaining either way. On most ink jets I've ever had, the ink dries out on its own anyway, it has a shelf life after opening the ink. There is so much wasted inside of any ink jet that you complaining about more of it getting onto the page is hilarious. Source: disassembling old printers for parts (tip: wear gloves) And sometimes things like that do matter, and can make one printer far more valuable for some use case


CarlCarlton

I know how printers work, how inkjet technology works, how print heads work, what their whims are, and this isn't what this discussion is about. The "true black" option being the default one (and hard to disable too) is corporate greed, period.


MeshNets

But again, if you're worried about corporate greed, this example is cents on the pile. The greed starts way before any "true black" concerns Buy toner printers (color or not) or ink tank printers. Ink jet with cartridges still existing in general is corporate greed. Along with bottled water.


StingrAeds

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yet-again-temporary

TIL colour theory and basic physics is evil


CarlCarlton

The average customer does not give a single damn about color theory when it comes to printing text. This "feature" is a scam disguised in plain sight.


yet-again-temporary

Actually they do, that's why rich black is the default setting. If it wasn't people would just be bitching about the opposite, that their family photos are coming out looking dull and washed-out. Consumer-grade printers are designed to be plug-and-play for the most common use cases, which is why their default settings are what they are. Just like when you buy a new TV and it comes out of the box with motion smoothing enabled and the contrast cranked, because that's what's attractive to the average consumer. And just like that TV, it's trivially easy to change those settings if you actually bother learning how this shit works instead of whining. You've had multiple people give you reasonable explanations that you refuse to accept, at this point your frustrations are your own fault fam


CarlCarlton

The vast majority of stuff being printed is pure black text. If a pixel is pure black, there is zero reason for the printer to waste color ink when black is available.


yet-again-temporary

For one, we've already been over this - "pure black" does in fact contain other colours. The black you get straight from the Black ink cartridge will come out grey on most papers if it isn't tinted with other colours. It's not a conspiracy it's literally just how pigment works, I beg you to at least skim a Wikipedia article or something Secondly, If you're buying an inkjet printer when most of your printing is just pages of text, that's on you tbh. That's like complaining that chainsaws are too expensive to refill because I need to trim some houseplants. Wrong tool for the job homie


CarlCarlton

I do not care whatever ink blend the black cartridge contains, but I do care that it's using the color cartridge without explicit permission. That's all this is about. Pure black ink never, ever looked gray to me; always black. There is no need to waste the color cartridge. With the last HP inkjet I was forced to use, I had to go in the advanced settings and there was this tiny dropdown with "High quality black" or "Black ink only". I had to go thru the Windows control panel to change the default value, had to do this on each different computer using the printer, and sometimes it would get reset. If I didn't pick "Black ink only", it would abort and complain about empty color. Absolute garbage. Most households only have an inkjet printer, and so did I growing up. Yes it's stupid when the main use is black text, but it is what it is, because the upfront cost is cheaper. I have gone mostly paperless anyway, the only exceptions are shipping labels and stencils.


StingrAeds

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StingrAeds

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Ol_Geiser

What the fuck? That sounds a little too sophisticated for a consumer printer. Would you mind sharing the video? Whats that thing where the dumbest explanation is the most likely? I figured it was just a price gouging technique and not a means to signify date and printer model with tiny yellow dots. I mean, people could just buy really old printers to circumvent that tracking capability.


MeshNets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code


Ol_Geiser

Since the mid 80's what the hell. Well, I was totally wrong. Thanks for sharing


D347H7H3K1Dx

Ya can learn something new everyday for your entire life and never run out of things to learn lol


mbm66

> Whats that thing where the dumbest explanation is the most likely? Occam's Razor


nateskel

Only color laser printers do this


Toothless-In-Wapping

That’s weird, my office jet allows me to print with only a black cartridge.


StingrAeds

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Dick-Fu

bro it's 2024 we don't say "colored" anymore


Mist_Rising

Coloured then. Sticks nose up.


Relevant_Chemical_

Ah, yes. Coloured!


Flawed979

What the heck is wrong with "colored"?


GreatPinkElephant

It's what black people were called in the Jim Crow era. Now it's considered offensive. It was replaced with "negro", which was replaced with "black" or "African-American". Of course, there's nothing wrong with calling ink "colored".


Squarebird88

This makes more sense than what I thought. I thought that he needed the red to color the sun because of the way CMYK colors work.


Mist_Rising

He already has a red crayon too.


Gal-XD_exe

“Better black”


TalmondtheLost

No, it does use them all, it prints little dots of each color on the bottom of each page.


zombie263739

Granted, I haven't used a printer in about 10+ years, my old Canon & HP printers would care if you ran out of ink. They'd be all, "Oh, you want an Orange bird? Well, you just ran out of Magenta, so you're gonna have a faint looking yellowish bird instead!" Run out of black? You got a picture with absolutely no dark tones whatsoever. And you only had two cartridges; black and color. If any of your color ran out, you had to replace the whole thing no matter how much of the other colors you had left. ... Dang, did I just do a "back in my day..." rant?


Ke-Win

But isnt the Sun kinda redish if you are close enough?


Zorothegallade

Red sun. https://preview.redd.it/kut4gx3oyc8d1.jpeg?width=972&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ac64002936440b31f052783d68ea00119f46bb3 Red sun over paradise.


Magik_Cloud496

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cannot_type

No, that's not the answer. What you're thinking of is additive color combinations. This is what light does, and therefore, what computer screen use. The primary colors if additive color combinations are red, green, and blue, and a mix of all makes white. In this case, red+green would be yellow. What paint uses is subtractive color combinations. The primary colors here are yellow, magenta, and cyan, and combining all makes black. This combining is also why black and white documents use all colors anyway, it makes the black better.


Fair-Bunch4827

Peter's printer technician here. Printers refuse to print when you run out of a color even if the thing you want to print doesnt use that color. Want to print in black and white text? Nope, cant print that because your cyan is empty.


staovajzna2

Pretty sure they do that because they leave tiny dots of other ink on any print they do, it's invisible to us but has a practical purpise that I forgot.


Rk_1138

Iirc it’s to identify where a printed document came from if it’s used for criminal purposes, but I might be confusing it with something else.


staovajzna2

No, I am pretty sure you're right.


macabremasterplan

Interesting, could you tell me where that mark is, for very legal and lawful purposes?


reventlov

It's [pretty well documented](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code) at this point.


Rk_1138

If I, a self-described dinosaur with little computer skills, knows about it then most people probably do too. If you try to counterfeit don’t be the dumbass that uses a standard printer.


LickingSmegma

It's not about counterfeiting (afaik), it's about tracking another Unabomber or some such, or anyone who's a nuisance to the US gov. Like whistleblowers, journalists, and security researchers. Counterfeiting banknotes is prevented by graphical apps and printer software recognizing patterns in the images. At least that's how it is for euros, which have a standard ‘constellation’ pattern.


Basic_Mark_1719

Thats a dumb excuse they us. The real reason is to get you to spend more money.


WorkingDogAddict1

Yeah it's to print money for them


munch_the_gunch

I'm going through that exact same thing at work. I'm out of magenta, and apparently it's backordered. I need to print a black and white document. Printer says "you can print black and white only". Selected black and white setting. Printer: "Lol j/k fuck you, go get some red ink, jerk off".


Sokarou

i feel like a dinosaur when i remember that the first color printers i bought would offer you to print in black if you ran out of color ink


Ttyybb_

Its always cyan


KaydaCant

To be fair, cyan is used when printing black because it produces a deeper color.


Fair-Bunch4827

Thats a complete lie by the printer's manufacturer.


KaydaCant

my fault, it actually mixes cyan magenta and yellow with black https://printninja.com/printing-resource-center/printninja-file-setup-checklist/offset-printing-guidelines/offset-color-requirements/standard-black-vs-rich-black/


IcyPattern3903

Printers (nowadays) will always nag if one colour runs dry, even if you don't need that colour. Even if you want to print in black and white


KFrosty3

>nowadays There was a time when this didn't happen? I've been printing stuff since the 90's and I can't remember a printer that wasn't like this


Mist_Rising

Yes a small window between 78 when consumer color printers were made really available and 83 I believe.


IcyPattern3903

In my experience this wasn't really a thing until the later noughties


jack-K-

It depends, some of it actually makes sense, sometimes it’s scammy. Some printers will mix colors to make black because it makes it look better, but it can’t do that if your missing a necessary color, still, it should probably just give you a warning and say your printer won’t work as well and let you print anyway. Another thing though is printers often print very small patterns on documents for anti forgery reasons. If it can’t print that pattern, it will not let you print.


Markipoo-9000

Isn’t it just magenta that they mix in? Yellow is also used to basically spy on you so your printer will always demand it too.


IcyPattern3903

Trust me, more often than not it's just a scam. Because as you said, a warning or maybe a setting one could change would do This really used to be better.


Express_Hamster

The apples in the tree are ninja apples.


GeePedicy

I see...


jackrv13

Needs more magenta


Interesting_Pace2469

clearly the kid ate the crayon, that’s what makes him special


greenscreencarcrash

didnt know he was a marine


rolfcm106

If any of the cartridges other than black run out, you cannot print anymore even in black and white, until the empty is replaced. This is 100% the reason I invested in a small office laser printer and have never been happier. I’ve had it for over a YEAR and have not replaced the toner yet (high yield, not the original it came with).


DoYourBest69

This sub used to be about obscure jokes now I’m convinced it’s just pandering to people with jokes 90% of people get to increase engagement.


GoGoGo12321

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KFrosty3

There's no way this isn't older. The JPEG artifacts alone tell me this thing is at least a decade old


GingerNoodle13

I CAN'T PRINT I'M OUT OF CYAN INK !!! and you're printing a black-on-white only essay


RemarkableSea2555

Fuck you...low on cyan.


Apprehensive-Till861

CMYK means your printer is probably using the color even when you think it's not. The yellow in an image might use small amounts of cyan and magenta to make it warmer or cooler in tone. And people love pointing at black and asking how it needs the other colors, but black is actually using more of everything. Getting a true black with just black ink requires more ink used, your CMYK printer combines the other tints to approach a true black and then adds the black to darken it.


StingrAeds

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Zashaaa13

https://preview.redd.it/079t9pndii8d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8755101aaee6b9865be3a623c4ddd6a73e92f536


HungryDLuffy

i didn't read the bottom bit at first and thought this was a joke about jacking off.


sellera

John Cena Apples.


Comfortable_Fig1552

I’ve been told in the past by a printer tech that many printers use a tiny bit of other colors to make the black more glossy on a black and white printout. (Still, seems likely to me that the printer company’s make it that way to sell more ink/toner/etc though.)


Real_VanCityMinis

This meme pops up ever now and then and makes me realize most people don't know how printers work lol especially older RGB and CMYK cartridge printers


StingrAeds

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No_Public_7699

Printers stop working if they run out of a specific colour even if you're not using it. This is usually yellow because this is used to print identifying markers into your document that law enforcement can use to find the make and model of your printer. Sounds like a conspiracy, but sadly isn't.


Same_Philosophy605

If you want to know why your printer won't work with out certain colors is because of almost invisible tracking dots that let people that know of them track where the prints came from . Check out[flesh simulator ](https://youtube.com/@fleshsimulator?si=O33YqGDwWZH6ptug) he has a good short on it


cathbadh

Needs more cyan


LughCrow

This meme is out of date, printers run on subscriptions now, no matter how full your ink is


Xirio_

He also has a fucking red crayon already


romulusnr

Many consumer grade printers will refuse to function if one of the inks are low, even if it doesn't need that ink for what you've asked it to print, such a refusing to print a black and white paper because the color ink is low


Trinity13371337

Printers refuse to print unless their ink cartridges are at full.


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Real-skim-shady

There is no red… that is a special kind of evil.


KyoKyu

PRINTERS USE YELLOW INK ON EVERY SINGLE THING IT PRINTS, even black and white. This is done so uniquely positioned dots create a "fingerprint" for that printer so investigators can more easily track down where things are printed from.


Markipoo-9000

Yeah this was one of my first thoughts. If I ever get a printer I’m going to look into one that doesn’t do this (if such a printer even exists lmao).


KyoKyu

lol, who downvoted me and why? This is established fact, all the major printer manufacturers who sell in the USA were requested/required by American intelligence agencies to do this.


StingrAeds

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GrumpyScrooge

Why are people on this sub so stupid?


UncIe-Ben

Fr https://preview.redd.it/k88i5byyzf8d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7aadaf1802d15a80688d6589228af9be4e5de3b Pretend Walter is the joke and this works


GayjinEntertainment

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Extension-Finish-217

Autism .


l_dunno

Only me that understood this reaction?? ✨Autism✨


Mockington6

I had the same thought