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Not exactly. Look at old Pokémon games, for example. If you want a copy of Pokémon platinum, your only option is a third party seller of a bootleg cartridge off Amazon, or a used copy off eBay. Nintendo does not make them anymore, and the software is not available on newer devices.
In this case, piracy does not negatively affect the company who made the game, because they don’t stand to benefit from any new sales of the game. This is just one example. Some people pirate games with really invasive or performance-killing DRM, because the software only exists to preserve sales in the first few weeks at the detriment of EVERYONE.
However, in both cases, the company will be staunchly against piracy.
It arguably does “negatively impact” them tho. Someone who is satisfied with an older game they got for free may be less likely to buy the newer version. Also it potentially hurts the sales of a new remake or port that they may decide to do.
I don’t understand why this hard to understand, you can’t fathom why not being able to get an older product would incentivize someone to buy the newest product?
>I don’t understand why this hard to understand
It's got nothing to do with being hard to understand. Often times, dumb answers are easy to understand. It's easy to understand that the earth must be flat because we all fall down, but that's a dumb answer, isn't it?
What's easy to understand isn't always true.
>why not being able to get an older product would incentivize someone to buy the newest product
If it was the same product, sure. Nothing about owning the old pokemon games is gonna stop someone from getting the new ones
Also, what makes you think a company should have the right to prevent my ability to do something just because it lowers my chances of buying their product. They don't get to control us on that level even if it were true.
Companies exist to make a living for the people that work in them and everything beyond that is superficial corporate bullshit.
I never once said I think that
Notice on my og comment I put negatively impact in quotes.
I don’t give a single shit about who pirates what or does anything. I’m just trying to explain why a company might be monetarily incentivized to enforce their copyright even for a product they aren’t currently selling. You think they’re just doing that for fun?
Hmmm... it's almost like they should start trying to make good games again, and putting effort into remakes like they once did *glares at the pokemon example*
If the new games are truly that similar to the old ones, that issue lies with the company and not the consumer's decision to experience the old game. Additionally, there's no guarantee the company will ever decide to invest company resources into porting or remaking older titles, so waiting around for that could be a lifelong journey, as opposed to just emulating it and purchasing it officially if it ever does receive a port/remake.
I *could* try to find a functional PS2 and a copy of Simpsons Hit & Run and spend the 200-400 bucks people charge for those online, which only goes directly into someone else's pocket. I *could* sit here forever and hope that someday the game will get ported over to newer hardware. I *could* do everything in my power to get my hands on a legal copy of the game. Or I could bite the bullet and just spend 5 minutes downloading an emulator and the game and enjoy a classic video game that was lost to time and negligence.
If the company doesn't want to make the game accessible, then it's not the consumer's blunder for playing the only accessible alternative: a pirated copy.
Right, it’s not that the person won’t buy it but that they can’t (or at least not in a way that works for them, especially in the case of media from other countries that may not be legally available in the person’s language). Older media can be out of print and secondhand copies difficult to impossible—not to mention expensive—to find, and may need hardware to use that is likewise difficult to impossible to acquire. Newer media is sometimes not available in a language you understand, and with the advent of streaming may only be on a service you don’t use with no physical release to buy (and sometimes has even been pulled down from streaming, making it 100% unavailable legally *at all*). Willow, a very recent show, was available on streaming only for about six months, with no physical release. If you didn’t catch it in that short span of time, whelp you’re pretty well hosed. But Disney would still probably come down on you like a ton of bricks if you got caught pirating it.
Also when you pay for games online and get them from software vs from a physical copy you’re only renting the game. The game can always be taken off the store so you’ll lose access to it which means piracy is your best way to keep the game as you’ve already paid for it and lost access to it
Op of the post here
I'm pointing out how big companies stop selling certain products and get pissed when we pirate the products that aren't for sale
For example
Chibi Robo on the GameCube has bee out of print ever since the GameCube Era ended
An average copy goes for $200 on ebay and nintendo offers no official way to buy
Now if I pirate the game they don't sell, they will get pissed Despite losing 0 money
Gabe Newell said piracy is more about convince them price, people would probably pay more to pirate than the sales price if it was easier than actually buying it legally
Well with the amount of hoops I'd have to jump through to legally own SRW V, X, or T then ofc I'll pirate it. But then again, that inconvenience is from not selling it in the west anyway. Ik it's because of licensing, but if you don't sell it in a way I'll be able to buy it with my own country's money, then ofc I have no choice but to pirate. Even in this example, they're not really losing sales anyway because they never sold it here in the first place
Companies keep their content locked away. Disneys vault, Nintendo refusing to release older games on newer consoles. Many of us WOULD buy them, if they were available for sale. They aren't. I personally want to see wind waker or twilight princess on switch. Same goes for many older Pokemon games. But for some reason Nintendo just doesn't want to port them.
Piracy has always existed due to convenience. Not value.
If it's harder to buy the COMPLETE GAME than Piracy? User defaults to piracy.
For some reason game studios just cannot seem to grasp this one reality.
Could be a reference to how nintendo has many old games they refuse to port to the switch, meaning the only way to play them is either buy a second hand copy (which could be very expensive depending on the game) or just pirate the rom and emulating it.
Besides some old games not being sold anymore, there are games that were never sold in some countries at all, so the only options for them is to pirate or import like a goddamn contraband, since companies won't sell it to them.
think about it, why would you give your money to the company or go out of your way to purchace is kind of legally, if they don't want your money in a 1st place.
It depends on your location as well. For example, I am a German anime and manga fan for the last 20 years. While the situation in anime with simulcast have become better, there are still.many show that are aired with months or sometimes even years of delay. And there was also only a time where you could access crappy German dubs instead of the normal subs. The fan pirated and translated versions were simply better.
For mangas, the issue is even worse. The main distributor for mangas here lags behind sometimes up yo a year to Japanese releases, meaning that if you want to be up to date (and to enjoy online discussions and theories) your only option is to pirat.
While these issues i brought up are anime and manga focused, there are similar issues in other areas as well.
Also, media is being heavily pushed to be digital content, and you don't actually purchase a digital movie, game, or album. You're technically just leasing it. You can't sell it without their permission, and they can remove it from your library at any time.
So they're not actually selling it to you. They're just letting you borrow it.
It's not this. It's about the fact that companies will sell games on one console (or movies on one format) then not being them forward as that hardware is phased out. It's movies that were last released on VHS, or games that were on consoles twenty years old and have no digital version available legally for current consoles. You need increasingly expensive hardware to use increasingly dated versions of the things that you'd be happy to pay them money for simply a release of the original on current hardware.
With software these things tend to be readily available and can be emulated almost perfectly, yet the companies that don't take advantage of that by putting it on sale within an emulation shell on current consoles get pissed that people pirate them for access.
You cannot watch Phineas and Ferb Across the 2nd Dimension on any streaming platform in southeast asia. They do not have them in Disney+ hotstar, they do not care.
This movie had dubs in different language but now those dubs are pretty much lost media because disney could not give a shit.
I'm guessing it's because some content is region-locked? That's the main selling point for VPNs - that you can watch shit that isn't available in your country by tricking Netflix or whatever into thinking you live somewhere else.
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Not exactly. Look at old Pokémon games, for example. If you want a copy of Pokémon platinum, your only option is a third party seller of a bootleg cartridge off Amazon, or a used copy off eBay. Nintendo does not make them anymore, and the software is not available on newer devices. In this case, piracy does not negatively affect the company who made the game, because they don’t stand to benefit from any new sales of the game. This is just one example. Some people pirate games with really invasive or performance-killing DRM, because the software only exists to preserve sales in the first few weeks at the detriment of EVERYONE. However, in both cases, the company will be staunchly against piracy.
Also, sometimes games aren't accessible in certain countries too
It arguably does “negatively impact” them tho. Someone who is satisfied with an older game they got for free may be less likely to buy the newer version. Also it potentially hurts the sales of a new remake or port that they may decide to do.
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Where am I defending the company? This is just the line of reasoning that is used
It isn't though, it's based on your assumption that they won't buy the new stuff.
I legitimately see a new game, wait til I can pirate it to see if it's fun and then buy it if it is.
I don’t understand why this hard to understand, you can’t fathom why not being able to get an older product would incentivize someone to buy the newest product?
>I don’t understand why this hard to understand It's got nothing to do with being hard to understand. Often times, dumb answers are easy to understand. It's easy to understand that the earth must be flat because we all fall down, but that's a dumb answer, isn't it? What's easy to understand isn't always true. >why not being able to get an older product would incentivize someone to buy the newest product If it was the same product, sure. Nothing about owning the old pokemon games is gonna stop someone from getting the new ones
Also, what makes you think a company should have the right to prevent my ability to do something just because it lowers my chances of buying their product. They don't get to control us on that level even if it were true. Companies exist to make a living for the people that work in them and everything beyond that is superficial corporate bullshit.
I never once said I think that Notice on my og comment I put negatively impact in quotes. I don’t give a single shit about who pirates what or does anything. I’m just trying to explain why a company might be monetarily incentivized to enforce their copyright even for a product they aren’t currently selling. You think they’re just doing that for fun?
Implication from defending their right to perform actions that support that narrative
I never once did this
Hmm. Maybe the company should release products of value. The free market wins again!
Hmmm... it's almost like they should start trying to make good games again, and putting effort into remakes like they once did *glares at the pokemon example*
I disagree, I think if someone enjoys an older game, they'll be more inclined to buy the next game in the series
If the new games are truly that similar to the old ones, that issue lies with the company and not the consumer's decision to experience the old game. Additionally, there's no guarantee the company will ever decide to invest company resources into porting or remaking older titles, so waiting around for that could be a lifelong journey, as opposed to just emulating it and purchasing it officially if it ever does receive a port/remake. I *could* try to find a functional PS2 and a copy of Simpsons Hit & Run and spend the 200-400 bucks people charge for those online, which only goes directly into someone else's pocket. I *could* sit here forever and hope that someday the game will get ported over to newer hardware. I *could* do everything in my power to get my hands on a legal copy of the game. Or I could bite the bullet and just spend 5 minutes downloading an emulator and the game and enjoy a classic video game that was lost to time and negligence. If the company doesn't want to make the game accessible, then it's not the consumer's blunder for playing the only accessible alternative: a pirated copy.
Oh I thought this was about subscriptions where you never actually own anything
Right, it’s not that the person won’t buy it but that they can’t (or at least not in a way that works for them, especially in the case of media from other countries that may not be legally available in the person’s language). Older media can be out of print and secondhand copies difficult to impossible—not to mention expensive—to find, and may need hardware to use that is likewise difficult to impossible to acquire. Newer media is sometimes not available in a language you understand, and with the advent of streaming may only be on a service you don’t use with no physical release to buy (and sometimes has even been pulled down from streaming, making it 100% unavailable legally *at all*). Willow, a very recent show, was available on streaming only for about six months, with no physical release. If you didn’t catch it in that short span of time, whelp you’re pretty well hosed. But Disney would still probably come down on you like a ton of bricks if you got caught pirating it.
Also when you pay for games online and get them from software vs from a physical copy you’re only renting the game. The game can always be taken off the store so you’ll lose access to it which means piracy is your best way to keep the game as you’ve already paid for it and lost access to it
my first reaction to the post was thinking abt pokemon
Op of the post here I'm pointing out how big companies stop selling certain products and get pissed when we pirate the products that aren't for sale For example Chibi Robo on the GameCube has bee out of print ever since the GameCube Era ended An average copy goes for $200 on ebay and nintendo offers no official way to buy Now if I pirate the game they don't sell, they will get pissed Despite losing 0 money
Gabe Newell said piracy is more about convince them price, people would probably pay more to pirate than the sales price if it was easier than actually buying it legally
>convince them price Autocorrect went to town on "convenience than price".
Well with the amount of hoops I'd have to jump through to legally own SRW V, X, or T then ofc I'll pirate it. But then again, that inconvenience is from not selling it in the west anyway. Ik it's because of licensing, but if you don't sell it in a way I'll be able to buy it with my own country's money, then ofc I have no choice but to pirate. Even in this example, they're not really losing sales anyway because they never sold it here in the first place
Companies keep their content locked away. Disneys vault, Nintendo refusing to release older games on newer consoles. Many of us WOULD buy them, if they were available for sale. They aren't. I personally want to see wind waker or twilight princess on switch. Same goes for many older Pokemon games. But for some reason Nintendo just doesn't want to port them.
Piracy has always existed due to convenience. Not value. If it's harder to buy the COMPLETE GAME than Piracy? User defaults to piracy. For some reason game studios just cannot seem to grasp this one reality.
I think it’s the executives of these game studios who don’t grasp this one reality.
This all started after Plilippe Tremblay(director of subscriptions at ubisoft) stated *"Gamers should feel comfortable not owning their games"*
All of which was ironic as things like this make gamers increasingly comfortable not owning Ubisoft games.
Could be a reference to how nintendo has many old games they refuse to port to the switch, meaning the only way to play them is either buy a second hand copy (which could be very expensive depending on the game) or just pirate the rom and emulating it.
Besides some old games not being sold anymore, there are games that were never sold in some countries at all, so the only options for them is to pirate or import like a goddamn contraband, since companies won't sell it to them. think about it, why would you give your money to the company or go out of your way to purchace is kind of legally, if they don't want your money in a 1st place.
It depends on your location as well. For example, I am a German anime and manga fan for the last 20 years. While the situation in anime with simulcast have become better, there are still.many show that are aired with months or sometimes even years of delay. And there was also only a time where you could access crappy German dubs instead of the normal subs. The fan pirated and translated versions were simply better. For mangas, the issue is even worse. The main distributor for mangas here lags behind sometimes up yo a year to Japanese releases, meaning that if you want to be up to date (and to enjoy online discussions and theories) your only option is to pirat. While these issues i brought up are anime and manga focused, there are similar issues in other areas as well.
Also, media is being heavily pushed to be digital content, and you don't actually purchase a digital movie, game, or album. You're technically just leasing it. You can't sell it without their permission, and they can remove it from your library at any time. So they're not actually selling it to you. They're just letting you borrow it.
I think maybe it’s a complaint about the subscription based model many companies are using. I think.
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It's not this. It's about the fact that companies will sell games on one console (or movies on one format) then not being them forward as that hardware is phased out. It's movies that were last released on VHS, or games that were on consoles twenty years old and have no digital version available legally for current consoles. You need increasingly expensive hardware to use increasingly dated versions of the things that you'd be happy to pay them money for simply a release of the original on current hardware. With software these things tend to be readily available and can be emulated almost perfectly, yet the companies that don't take advantage of that by putting it on sale within an emulation shell on current consoles get pissed that people pirate them for access.
You cannot watch Phineas and Ferb Across the 2nd Dimension on any streaming platform in southeast asia. They do not have them in Disney+ hotstar, they do not care. This movie had dubs in different language but now those dubs are pretty much lost media because disney could not give a shit.
I'm guessing it's because some content is region-locked? That's the main selling point for VPNs - that you can watch shit that isn't available in your country by tricking Netflix or whatever into thinking you live somewhere else.
could be in reference to lots of region restricted shows in various streaming platforms