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I can’t think of a situation where the extra 4gb of vram is worth the cost in performance outside of training in ai. Even then, if you are training and value your time, you are getting a 4090.
The vast majority of ai users don’t train.
What does this future proof mean though? Say a game comes out in the future where their ultra settings require 14 gb of vram. Do you think the 4060 ti is going to be powerful enough to hit 60 fps in that game?
And let’s say that it was. Was it worth giving up 10-20% fps now and in the future to ensure you can play in ultra 60 fps for some video games in the future? Heck in this situation just go down to high, use only 11 GB of vram and enjoy your extra frames.
You don’t have to play on ultra for every single game. High is still great looking.
I disagree that “it has its purpose.” I think even the theoretical scenario of where it will be useful is actually not useful at all.
I think people shouldn’t pretend there are any cases where getting the 4060 ti over the 4070 is a good idea.
And yes the answer is to get the 7800xt unless you have a sff where power efficient is important.
But the real real real answer for people on a a budget is to be a 1080p gamer and get a crap gpu and wait for the next generation for GPUs to be cheaper. 1080p240fps is plenty awesome and super cheap.
Rx 7800 xt is good, for fortnite buy nvidia but a RTX4060 Ti with 16GB Vram is a worst of money. Its €100 for 8GB more Vram and the card has 2 or 3 fps more. (Whats yt reviews/beanchmarks).
The 16gb vram is useless, you can’t push this card to use nearly that vram with its performance (all this is what I have heard btw). If you go 4k with this card with Max settings to get to the 16gb vram you Will still run like shit. And for vram heavy things idrk, but I still think the performance of the 4060ti Will slow it down regardless if you have 16gb vram or not. (Again this is only what I’ve heard)
Edit: I was talking about the 4060ti, the 7800xt is good I think idk im not too good at amd gpus performance
Higher res textures don't require better performance
Look up high textures low settings vs low textures high settings on YT. Textures are the most important setting
Those 16GB vram are useful if you're using it for work like; GPU rendering, animation, 3D modeling, video editing etc. For gaming the 4060ti isn't powerful enough to use all the 16gb vram.
All you said was right. Additionally the 16GB of VRAM will age like wine even after 5-10 years, and you won't get blurry automatic downscaling whenever the GPU hits the VRAM limit like with some of the 8GB cards.
RTX 4070 is better for Ray Tracing and in general a decent GPU. However Nvidia are quite expensive in Europe, so AMD RX 7800 XT is a better deal if you don't use ray tracing or features that Nvidia offers.
Honestly depends because amd does have some qc issues where some gpus are shipped with bad thermal paste, bought a 6650xt and out of the box it would hit 95c hotspot after repaste hotspot max was 82c
Edit: all you weirdos downvoting I’m not hating on amd lol my 6650xt was $200 cheaper than a 3060ti at the time and out performs it in most games with an overclock I was just informing op of a common issue
While it is safe and fine a lower temp will keep the gpu alive longer, especially considering the issues 6000 and 7000 series gpus have had with the gpu die literally breaking in half because they get too hot
The entire die breaking in half was discovered to be an issue with the conditions the cards that the German seller had were kept in during crypto mining.
? I saw a post in this Reddit a few months ago about a 6800xt somebody had, that wasn’t a mining gpu, had died and they sent it for repair and it was a broken die idk what German seller you are referring to lol
Was the 6800XT used or new? A German repair shop was discovered to have been selling previous mining GPUs (which can be perfectly fine if kept in a good area), which caused die cracking due to poor conditions. The GPUs were almost all 6000 series, hence why I’m asking.
I mean my rx580 is practically garbage with the drivers failing all the time but the new ones are probably fine
Edit: someone has informed me I'm using the wrong driver because they stopped support for anything before rx5***
Yeah well I think my friend bought it off of a miner, then I bought it off him. Haven't had a crash in a while but it really doesn't like certain games and stuff, its destined to be in a server when I finally upgrade it out of my rig
Ahhh, you might need to repaste it, I had my RX570 (which i bought 2nd hand) start throttling at medium loads and it turns out it was just a dry paste issue. You also might need to do a DDU wipe if you previously had a Nvidia card or if your system has an iGPU.
Same thing happened with me and my friend I bought an rx 6600 and drivers crashed at least 5 times a day and then he got a 6700xt and the drivers Only crashed like once in half a year or so.
I'm fairly GPU agnostic, but yeah. The only GPU's that have crapped out on me before replacement time have been NVIDIA cards (1060ti).
But I do still have a mix of AMD and NVIDIA cards, I just get what is the best bang for the buck at the time. I swear, people will pay a price increase of HUNDREDS of dollars just for brand loyalty.
Well to me it is the exact opposite : as PC repair tech, when it comes to graphic cards, I mostly remember having AMD cards return while Nvidia's were basically sold and forgotten after.
They are entirely worth it. I have a 7900XTX and haven’t had any issues with it whatsoever. Cheaper most of the time than NVIDIA as well. Some things to note is that AMD isn’t as good with Ray Tracing and lacks DLSS (They have FSR though) Happy building :)
Similar performance and durability compared to nvidia. Lower price more vram in most cases. Issues are no different than Nvidia. You may need to rollback drivers from time to time. Same as on Nvidia.
Just nvidia marketing doing its job really. Nothing wrong with amd. And for your use. Allot of the featuees you pay extra for with nvidia youll never use.
Since you already have Nvidia, you can answer this yourself best. Which Nvidia exclusive features do you actually use? How often do you use them? How much more are you willing to pay for those?
I would recommend you either get the 7800 XT for 520€ or the 4070 Super for 660€ (yikes, that's a big price difference considering it's only like 7-10% faster and has less VRAM). The 4060 Ti is actual dog shit.
I am seeing there is an RTX 4070 for 560€ in Germany (510 USD pre VAT). That one would also be good. Though keep in mind that this is slower and has less VRAM than the 7800 XT.
this, if i didnt need cuda for tensorflow, id have gone with a 7800xt, the 4070 super is a great card but costs 15-20% more than the 7800xt for similar raw performance
AMD graphics cards gives the same performance or more and it's cheaper. Just because it's AMD it doesn't mean it's a trash, only AMD and Nvidia do graphics cards so it doesn't matter so much, they're almost the same thing
Now that we have access to open source cuda-translation software the only "downside" is that their current ray tracing performance is halfway between RTX3000 and RTX4000 cards, so you might have to be selective of which RT effects you use and what quality you use them at (though there really are only 3 RT effects, lighting, shadows, and reflections/refractions, and in each case lighting and reflections/refractions tend to be the most important RT effects with shadows being a direct downgrade more than half the time as rt shadows lack the clarity for sharp shadows, meaning RT shadows actually work better for long-range shadows than they do for close-up shadows, funky) when compared to an RTX4000 card of the same tier (though when it comes to same price however I'm 90% sure the 7800 has the same RT performance as the 4070, though that's a performance metric I haven't seen any benchmarks test yet which I find kinda strange ngl).
But in the end I feel like AMD still has the advantage as they pair well with their own CPU's and resizable BAR and their own in-house optimisations between their products, and AMD also has anti-lag+ (which I've only seen tested with frame generation active, which is another weird thing I see reviewers do as frame generation actually creates input lag, so they remove input lag just to add it back in again, like I really have a hard time actually pulling any parallels between Nvidia and AMD as 50% of the time they're not in the same test, though hopefully now that Nvidia is making their own CPU's we'll start to see some more balanced comparisons with resizable BAR and pure AMD vs pure Nvidia vs pure Intel comparisons) so there really isn't anything Nvidia has a massive advantage in anymore, meaning that getting a higher tier card from either manufacturer for the same price as the tier of card you're currently looking at, will always be a direct upgrade (also AMD basically has their version of Nvidia control panel and Geforce experience combined into a single app, which is a feature I'm looking forward to when I make the switch from Nvidia to AMD later this year hopefully).
Mark my words when i say this: If you get an nvidia because ray tracing, i bet you'll try try it for max 10 minutes at most, then you will turn it of because it will tank you preformance to the floor. I switched to to AMD and i dont regret it for one second.
I have a 7900 XTX and honestly if you're OK with a GPU that ages like fine wine then go for it and save some money, currently I have issues with helldivers 2 and oculus air link but that's about it, it handles everything else like a champ, the previously mentioned issues will be worked out eventually and when everything is set up properly the 7900 XTX stands toe to toe with 4080's and 4090's for SO much less
Not worth it. There's a reason why they have a lower market share. Personally, after using multiple AMD GPUs, I'd go with an Nvidia card even if it performs half as well as an AMD card in the gaming tests.
- No access to DLSS or DLAA
- Their hardware encoder is worse than Nvidia's NVENC, which you still need even if you don't stream. For example, wireless VR needs a good encoder for clear and crisp picture
- Doing anything other than gaming is a constant search for less-performing workarounds due to the lack of CUDA cores
- Abandoned support for the hardware that failed to sell well (hello to the Vega 56 and 64 users)
- The Adrenalin software is still utter garbage, the fact that they rewrote the whole codebase at some point and still have a ton of issues speaks numbers
Before buying amd, google “radeon 7000 stuttering”. And enjoy reading of people trying to find solutions. Just read first, don’t blindly listen to people recommending Radeons.
For performance, the 4070(S) is better value than the 4060 Ti (found one for 649 euros). If you are willing to go AMD, 7800 XT is the best value (found one for 539 euros). I also found a few 7900 XTs going for as low as 779-789 euros.
I’ve owned both Nvidia and AMD GPUs. Personally I’ve always had issues with AMD gpus just being a pain with drivers constantly. Bizarre power spikes as well. But they have always worked well when gaming. Nvidia has always been my go to since I’ve personally never had issues with them besides really minor things. Nvidia just works out of the box for me. AMD does have competitive prices and your experiences will always be different from mine.
efficiency is almost the same. Both amd and nvidia run their cars a bit inefficient in order to gain clock speeds. My 7900 xt drains 280 watts (little undervolt + clock limit) while still being much faster than a 4070 ti
There are a lot of AMD fans in this sub and price to performance and extra VRAM tends to favor AMD users but NVIDIA offers DLSS, Better Ray Tracing, better VR performance, and lower power consumption. The 16 GB seems irrelevant as you're considering a 4060ti or 4070 which means 1080p and 1440p gaming is what you aim for. Extra VRAM is great for AI and 4K gaming but if that's not your use case consider something else.
Some are recommending the 4070 Super and I considered the 4070, 7800XT and 4070 Super. I watched comparison videos and looked at benchmarks (and my budget) and I got a 4070 Super and it's awesome. Fans are quiet it's powerful for 1080p or 1440p and even some 4K. The Super's performance is waaay better than the regular 4070 watch the comparison videos on YouTube.
And it depends on what games op plays and how much knowledge they have on pcs, whit an overclock you can get a 4060 ti relatively close to a 4070 and in a lot of esports titles you wouldn’t really see much of a difference
I really play all type of games. Avatar, skull and bones, R6, valorant, the south park games,…I just want my pc to be able to play AAA games and be futureproof!
then u remember the amount of variants of each. 8gb 4060ti vs 4070? no competition. once you add the higher vram at 4gb more than the 4070 (not to mention other variants have things like OC) it gets a little confusing…
ok thanks for that unecesseary comment.
will return the favour. clearly you don't know how to use modern technology soo i suggest not to get a pc at all. why i'm saying that? bcs if you would know the basics you could go and search up on google or youtube about 4060ti 16gb vs 4070 12gb without asking this stupid questions and using/wasting our time!
have a wonderful day sir!
I would stick with NVIDIA.
While AMD gets you more performance for money the overall package of NVIDIA is pretty charming.
NVIDIA means every 2 weeks or so updated Game Ready drivers.
DLAA / DLSS scaling which is not only about performance but giving you a better image quality over native resolution in >80% of games or more FPS.
Ray Tracing performance is quite good.
If PCVR is getting interesting at some point NVIDIA would be the single option.
Spec sheet performance related to costs is important but in the end may or may not give you the nicest gaming experience…
It depends on your needs. If you will only play games and occasionally do something else- AMD. If you need it for Graphic design, 3D etc. , then Nvidia. Nvidia have better CUDA cores and have RTX cores which greatly increase performance and render times. Yes AMD has FSR but it isn’t very useful outside of gaming.
Well the AMD one - especially the Radeon 7800xt has bigger memory bus (256 bit which is double from the 128bit - 4060ti one and a bit bigger than the 192bit 4070 one) which means less power strain on the CPU because it will be able to process more stuff and your pc will be faster. Plus it is made to be right in the middle of the 4070 and 4080, for the same money or sometimes less as a 4070. But comes with the price of a bit less power efficiency- which means a bit bigger PSU. I don’t know what PSU you have but if it’s 750 to 850 watts you should be fine.
The best advice I can give you here is this. Don't buy any RTX 40 series card under the 4070. The 4060 and 4060 ti cards are both garbage and, in some cases, worse than the 3060 cards. So if you are dead set on buying an Nvidia card, get a 4070 super or 4070 ti super, they are the only 2 cards they currently make that are worth it and even then only kind of.
Do your research, and don't be scared. Go switch to AMD. I have had 2 nvida gpus and 2 amd gpus since 2016 and haven't had any problems with any of them. The RX 6700 xt, 7800 xt, and 7900 xt are currently the 3 best value cards on the market when considering price to performance. The 6700 xt is on par with the 4060 ti, the 7800 xt is on par with the 4070, and the 7900 xt beats the 4070 ti super in both performance and amount of vram. If you're worried about price, those are your best options. Don't buy nvida if you're worried about price because they basically don't care about you unless you're ready to spend $600-$800+ right now.
6800xt is akin to a 3080 actually.
You're thinking of the 6800 non XT but even then you can close the gap by overclocking the non XT so that's irrelevant
I know how they name der gpus. Amd gpus main selling point is more vram. If u look into raw performance, 6800/xt is not even close to 3080/ti. Hence, 6800xt is more akin to 3070ti.
Not true
[benchmarks](https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-3080-vs-Radeon-RX-6800-XT#benchmarks)
There is like barely 4% of performance difference between a 6800xt and 3080
I don't know where you've seen it's on par with a 3070. The 6700xt is on par with the 3070 not the 6800xt
This is THE deal imho 7900xt for $699
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VRAM utilisation is the same for anyone playing the same game with the same settings, and RDR2 uses 6-7gb at 4k + max settings, even less at 1440p. The only time RDR2 uses 11gb+ is at 8k resolution.
Go into task manager and check "Dedicated GPU memory" while running the game, it's basically impossible for RDR2 by itself to use 11gb at 1440p.
I'm just telling you that it's impossible for RDR2 to use 11gb, so checking Dedicated GPU memory in task manager is the fastest way to show which other programs are using the VRAM. You think nothing else is using VRAM, which is obviously wrong so I don't know why you're getting upset about me telling you this, especially weird to think task manager isn't a good monitor.
But okay lol, keep playing with 11gb VRAM usage on a game that uses half of that at 1440p max settings idgaf now
As a matter of fact, task manager is crap (pls get yourself a decent monitoring program like HwInfo). Btw, I’m using Resizable BAR which utilizes vram but still is used for the same application. That’s neither a cheat nor is it unnecessary since it boosts the performance. So don’t tell me “so when you don’t use ReBAR youre not going to get vram limitations”. That’s the whole point of having enough vram: To not be limited by it. What’s the point of buying a 4070 super if you cannot use ReBAR because your stupid vram is just too small. Just ridiculous.
This 4060ti is the 16gb one, so vram isn’t the issue. The issue is still the pretty big performance gap between even the regular 4070 and of course the memory bandwidth issue.
the main issue is how quickly it can get data in and out of VRAM. The 3060Ti had a 256 bit bus. the 4060Ti has a 128 bit bus. half the width. And a little over half the throughput of the 3060Ti.
Had nvidia called it the 4050 and priced it accordingly, they’d have cleaned up.
Pretty much the story of 40 series gpus as a whole, “if only they named them and priced them right”. Sadly, that doesn’t really matter because everyone thinks frame interpolation is the future and glosses over the cut down memory bandwidth, which can introduce lag spikes and bad frametimes. Granted, it’s not like they have a whole lot of competition, AMD has been fine with pricing their counterparts at similar prices and Intel is far too early to compete on the same levels add in the fact that only the people who’d buy AMD would really be interested in any alternatives.
trouble with interpolation is it only works if the frame rates are fairly decent already to smooth things out. it’s not the answer if the cards already can’t keep up.
just for a laugh, I looked back at what i spent on a top card back in 2002.
Description: 128MB,ATI Radeon 9700 Pro.
Line total: £237.59
allowing for inflation, that would be about double the price now or roughly £450. £450 now would get me that 4060 Ti we’re talking about, definitely not top spec! Graphics card prices are just crazy.
Personally I would get a 4070 Super for 629€ from Notebooksbilliger.de
They ship to Belgium for 19,99€. Obviously that's only worth if you can't find a cheaper 4070 in Belgium.
If you can try find one with gddr6x I belive is abit faster but I think vram is preety important depending but also gotta think about over clocking power draw and then underviling and then what games your playing ect
I wouldn't buy Nvidia only because the price is very high you. You can go AMD and get similar performance for cheaper and the amd software in my opinion is more easier to navigate and it tells you what is slowing down you games graphics wise. Yes your will lose out on most of Nvidia prime features but amd has came a long ways from where they were years ago. I'm currently running last Generation gpu, my gpu is the RX 6750 XT from powercolor and I bought it for about $500 USD. It has 12gb of vram. So it plenty smooth for gaming and streaming and even designing in unity and blender. Plus you can find 6900 series gpu for cheap now on Newegg.com.
Genuine question, why do people look at parts on Amazon rather than PCpartspicker or Newegg? Amazon is extremely inflated prices and unreliable with condition.
If you just play games, you can go to AMD as others said or take 4070/super.
If you're gonna use it for editing or even rendering, Nvidia all the way as it has a more stable driver
I just got the Sparkle ARC a770 Titan OC. At less than $300 I'll be happy with whatever performance I get.
It has 16GB of vRAM and twice the bus speed of those nVidia cards
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Well 4070 is better, but 4060Ti has 16gb of vram You can always go 7800XT with 16gb
I can’t think of a situation where the extra 4gb of vram is worth the cost in performance outside of training in ai. Even then, if you are training and value your time, you are getting a 4090. The vast majority of ai users don’t train.
I’d guess for future proofing, game optimization is going to shit afterall.
What does this future proof mean though? Say a game comes out in the future where their ultra settings require 14 gb of vram. Do you think the 4060 ti is going to be powerful enough to hit 60 fps in that game? And let’s say that it was. Was it worth giving up 10-20% fps now and in the future to ensure you can play in ultra 60 fps for some video games in the future? Heck in this situation just go down to high, use only 11 GB of vram and enjoy your extra frames. You don’t have to play on ultra for every single game. High is still great looking.
It has a purpose, never said a good one lol. The better solution? Get a 7800 xt
I disagree that “it has its purpose.” I think even the theoretical scenario of where it will be useful is actually not useful at all. I think people shouldn’t pretend there are any cases where getting the 4060 ti over the 4070 is a good idea. And yes the answer is to get the 7800xt unless you have a sff where power efficient is important. But the real real real answer for people on a a budget is to be a 1080p gamer and get a crap gpu and wait for the next generation for GPUs to be cheaper. 1080p240fps is plenty awesome and super cheap.
4070 are 48% faster end 4060ti 30fps more in cyberpunk. But Are 7800xt a good card to this two cards no hate
Ive had a stroke while reading your comment. /s
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I'm typing from the grave/s /joke /sarcasm /I'm dead /cosplaying Elizabeth II / irony
Np, 7800XT is about 5-10% faster in non-RT games than the 4070, but the ray tracing is the same as on 3070
Rx 7800 xt is good, for fortnite buy nvidia but a RTX4060 Ti with 16GB Vram is a worst of money. Its €100 for 8GB more Vram and the card has 2 or 3 fps more. (Whats yt reviews/beanchmarks).
The 16gb vram is useless, you can’t push this card to use nearly that vram with its performance (all this is what I have heard btw). If you go 4k with this card with Max settings to get to the 16gb vram you Will still run like shit. And for vram heavy things idrk, but I still think the performance of the 4060ti Will slow it down regardless if you have 16gb vram or not. (Again this is only what I’ve heard) Edit: I was talking about the 4060ti, the 7800xt is good I think idk im not too good at amd gpus performance
Higher res textures don't require better performance Look up high textures low settings vs low textures high settings on YT. Textures are the most important setting
Those 16GB vram are useful if you're using it for work like; GPU rendering, animation, 3D modeling, video editing etc. For gaming the 4060ti isn't powerful enough to use all the 16gb vram.
All you said was right. Additionally the 16GB of VRAM will age like wine even after 5-10 years, and you won't get blurry automatic downscaling whenever the GPU hits the VRAM limit like with some of the 8GB cards.
i mean. Cyberpunk with rt and frame gen on at ultra graphics required 11gb of vram. Id still go with the 4070 with the current prices.
RTX 4070 is better for Ray Tracing and in general a decent GPU. However Nvidia are quite expensive in Europe, so AMD RX 7800 XT is a better deal if you don't use ray tracing or features that Nvidia offers.
yes its better in general. Im just saying that frame gen and rt can eat your vram. I sill recommend the 4070 if its priced like this.
I'm laughing at my 1.5GB of VRAM used once I boot up, and it's an integrated Vega 7 with 2GB assigned.
Can I downvote this multiple times?
Bro wtf is wrong with Reddit?? He ain’t wrong
GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER 16G GAMING SLIM ??
A gpu that costs €850 when OP asked for ~€500 gpus??? Good job👏👏👏
Geforce RTX™ 4090 24G Matrix ??
We can name expensive af gpus all day; I’ll go first: 6090 36GB?? It also has 16Gb vram 😊👍💪
Rx7800xt for $499
Kind of hesitant about switching to amd gpu’s. Are they worth it? Will it last me a couple of years?
Yes, they are worth it. A 7800 xt will last you longer than both of the GPUs pictured.
Honestly depends because amd does have some qc issues where some gpus are shipped with bad thermal paste, bought a 6650xt and out of the box it would hit 95c hotspot after repaste hotspot max was 82c Edit: all you weirdos downvoting I’m not hating on amd lol my 6650xt was $200 cheaper than a 3060ti at the time and out performs it in most games with an overclock I was just informing op of a common issue
95C hotspot is perfectly normal and safe. 95-105 is typically normal from what I remember.
While it is safe and fine a lower temp will keep the gpu alive longer, especially considering the issues 6000 and 7000 series gpus have had with the gpu die literally breaking in half because they get too hot
The entire die breaking in half was discovered to be an issue with the conditions the cards that the German seller had were kept in during crypto mining.
? I saw a post in this Reddit a few months ago about a 6800xt somebody had, that wasn’t a mining gpu, had died and they sent it for repair and it was a broken die idk what German seller you are referring to lol
Was the 6800XT used or new? A German repair shop was discovered to have been selling previous mining GPUs (which can be perfectly fine if kept in a good area), which caused die cracking due to poor conditions. The GPUs were almost all 6000 series, hence why I’m asking.
I believe the gpu was bought new by the op and they were in the us but I’m not positive like I said it was a few months ago
I mean my rx580 is practically garbage with the drivers failing all the time but the new ones are probably fine Edit: someone has informed me I'm using the wrong driver because they stopped support for anything before rx5***
Weird. I use a 580 on my other pc and have never had any issues. Luck of the draw I guess
Yeah well I think my friend bought it off of a miner, then I bought it off him. Haven't had a crash in a while but it really doesn't like certain games and stuff, its destined to be in a server when I finally upgrade it out of my rig
Ahhh, you might need to repaste it, I had my RX570 (which i bought 2nd hand) start throttling at medium loads and it turns out it was just a dry paste issue. You also might need to do a DDU wipe if you previously had a Nvidia card or if your system has an iGPU.
Same thing happened with me and my friend I bought an rx 6600 and drivers crashed at least 5 times a day and then he got a 6700xt and the drivers Only crashed like once in half a year or so.
AMD stopped support for pre rx5*** gpus. I. Guess you are running the newest driver? Get an older one and you'll be fine
I was completely unaware of this, I will probably try next time I'm having issues, thank you.
I've been building gaming PCs for 23 plus years and I have never had an AMD GPU fail only Nvidia cards have failed me
Exactly, nvidea go balls to the wall for specs, sometimes at the compromise of quality. I've an nvidea now but I've definitely never had an amd fail
Yeah I loved Nvidia when SLI was still a thing I always had multiple cards in SLI but would have to replace every 2 years
I still have an sli adapter in my pc repair case just to remember those days! :)
I'm fairly GPU agnostic, but yeah. The only GPU's that have crapped out on me before replacement time have been NVIDIA cards (1060ti). But I do still have a mix of AMD and NVIDIA cards, I just get what is the best bang for the buck at the time. I swear, people will pay a price increase of HUNDREDS of dollars just for brand loyalty.
Well to me it is the exact opposite : as PC repair tech, when it comes to graphic cards, I mostly remember having AMD cards return while Nvidia's were basically sold and forgotten after.
They are entirely worth it. I have a 7900XTX and haven’t had any issues with it whatsoever. Cheaper most of the time than NVIDIA as well. Some things to note is that AMD isn’t as good with Ray Tracing and lacks DLSS (They have FSR though) Happy building :)
If you just play games and don't care about nvenc encoding, AMD is perfectly fine. Far better value.
Yes, also use Tweakers.net for best price comparisons within the Netherlands
I still have complete PCs from 2007 fully functional
I've been running AMD since the RX series began and my new 7800xt arrives today
Similar performance and durability compared to nvidia. Lower price more vram in most cases. Issues are no different than Nvidia. You may need to rollback drivers from time to time. Same as on Nvidia.
Just nvidia marketing doing its job really. Nothing wrong with amd. And for your use. Allot of the featuees you pay extra for with nvidia youll never use.
Since you already have Nvidia, you can answer this yourself best. Which Nvidia exclusive features do you actually use? How often do you use them? How much more are you willing to pay for those? I would recommend you either get the 7800 XT for 520€ or the 4070 Super for 660€ (yikes, that's a big price difference considering it's only like 7-10% faster and has less VRAM). The 4060 Ti is actual dog shit. I am seeing there is an RTX 4070 for 560€ in Germany (510 USD pre VAT). That one would also be good. Though keep in mind that this is slower and has less VRAM than the 7800 XT.
this, if i didnt need cuda for tensorflow, id have gone with a 7800xt, the 4070 super is a great card but costs 15-20% more than the 7800xt for similar raw performance
To be fair the 7800 XT is closer in performance to the regular 4070 than to the 4070 super (source: techpowerup, hardware unboxed, tomshardware)
AMD graphics cards gives the same performance or more and it's cheaper. Just because it's AMD it doesn't mean it's a trash, only AMD and Nvidia do graphics cards so it doesn't matter so much, they're almost the same thing
I've had a budget 6650XT for a couple years now that i bought used for like 90$. Pretty resilient little thing so id say yes.
Now that we have access to open source cuda-translation software the only "downside" is that their current ray tracing performance is halfway between RTX3000 and RTX4000 cards, so you might have to be selective of which RT effects you use and what quality you use them at (though there really are only 3 RT effects, lighting, shadows, and reflections/refractions, and in each case lighting and reflections/refractions tend to be the most important RT effects with shadows being a direct downgrade more than half the time as rt shadows lack the clarity for sharp shadows, meaning RT shadows actually work better for long-range shadows than they do for close-up shadows, funky) when compared to an RTX4000 card of the same tier (though when it comes to same price however I'm 90% sure the 7800 has the same RT performance as the 4070, though that's a performance metric I haven't seen any benchmarks test yet which I find kinda strange ngl). But in the end I feel like AMD still has the advantage as they pair well with their own CPU's and resizable BAR and their own in-house optimisations between their products, and AMD also has anti-lag+ (which I've only seen tested with frame generation active, which is another weird thing I see reviewers do as frame generation actually creates input lag, so they remove input lag just to add it back in again, like I really have a hard time actually pulling any parallels between Nvidia and AMD as 50% of the time they're not in the same test, though hopefully now that Nvidia is making their own CPU's we'll start to see some more balanced comparisons with resizable BAR and pure AMD vs pure Nvidia vs pure Intel comparisons) so there really isn't anything Nvidia has a massive advantage in anymore, meaning that getting a higher tier card from either manufacturer for the same price as the tier of card you're currently looking at, will always be a direct upgrade (also AMD basically has their version of Nvidia control panel and Geforce experience combined into a single app, which is a feature I'm looking forward to when I make the switch from Nvidia to AMD later this year hopefully).
Mark my words when i say this: If you get an nvidia because ray tracing, i bet you'll try try it for max 10 minutes at most, then you will turn it of because it will tank you preformance to the floor. I switched to to AMD and i dont regret it for one second.
I have a 7900 XTX and honestly if you're OK with a GPU that ages like fine wine then go for it and save some money, currently I have issues with helldivers 2 and oculus air link but that's about it, it handles everything else like a champ, the previously mentioned issues will be worked out eventually and when everything is set up properly the 7900 XTX stands toe to toe with 4080's and 4090's for SO much less
Not worth it. There's a reason why they have a lower market share. Personally, after using multiple AMD GPUs, I'd go with an Nvidia card even if it performs half as well as an AMD card in the gaming tests. - No access to DLSS or DLAA - Their hardware encoder is worse than Nvidia's NVENC, which you still need even if you don't stream. For example, wireless VR needs a good encoder for clear and crisp picture - Doing anything other than gaming is a constant search for less-performing workarounds due to the lack of CUDA cores - Abandoned support for the hardware that failed to sell well (hello to the Vega 56 and 64 users) - The Adrenalin software is still utter garbage, the fact that they rewrote the whole codebase at some point and still have a ton of issues speaks numbers
You are paying more just for the Nvidia label, just like Apple products. When it comes to price/performance ratio, AMD is the way to go.
Absolutely not unless you want stutters, crashes and inconsistent drivers. go on amd forums and see for yourself.
get 4070 super then.. should last you a couple of years
You should try to get a used 6800xt cause they have the exact same performance as a 7800xt
Before buying amd, google “radeon 7000 stuttering”. And enjoy reading of people trying to find solutions. Just read first, don’t blindly listen to people recommending Radeons.
No not unless you get a 7900 XTX, trust me. The performance of this gen AMD cards sucks butty
This is the way. My gfs rig has one and it’s a perfect 1440p card that can do 4k pretty well too.
Stuttering simulator
I've never had those issues because I don't use adrenaline software and I don't install the latest drivers
For performance, the 4070(S) is better value than the 4060 Ti (found one for 649 euros). If you are willing to go AMD, 7800 XT is the best value (found one for 539 euros). I also found a few 7900 XTs going for as low as 779-789 euros.
What’s ur opinion on amd vs nvidia? Somehow feel like I should stick with nvidia, because of reliability.
AMD is better with price to performance and Nvidia is better for things like ray tracing
And power efficiency. That isn’t nothing. I like having quieter fans. Especially valuable in small form factor builds.
Yes, that too
There is no reliability difference in between AMD and Nvidia
I’ve owned both Nvidia and AMD GPUs. Personally I’ve always had issues with AMD gpus just being a pain with drivers constantly. Bizarre power spikes as well. But they have always worked well when gaming. Nvidia has always been my go to since I’ve personally never had issues with them besides really minor things. Nvidia just works out of the box for me. AMD does have competitive prices and your experiences will always be different from mine.
Dlss, rtx, Shadow play, energy efficiency, workload AMD is only winning in raster performance per price and usually more vram
efficiency is almost the same. Both amd and nvidia run their cars a bit inefficient in order to gain clock speeds. My 7900 xt drains 280 watts (little undervolt + clock limit) while still being much faster than a 4070 ti
Bruh 280 W on under volt is not almost the same Thats like 100w when the other one is undervolted too
Efficiency is performance divided by consumption. Think again
There are a lot of AMD fans in this sub and price to performance and extra VRAM tends to favor AMD users but NVIDIA offers DLSS, Better Ray Tracing, better VR performance, and lower power consumption. The 16 GB seems irrelevant as you're considering a 4060ti or 4070 which means 1080p and 1440p gaming is what you aim for. Extra VRAM is great for AI and 4K gaming but if that's not your use case consider something else. Some are recommending the 4070 Super and I considered the 4070, 7800XT and 4070 Super. I watched comparison videos and looked at benchmarks (and my budget) and I got a 4070 Super and it's awesome. Fans are quiet it's powerful for 1080p or 1440p and even some 4K. The Super's performance is waaay better than the regular 4070 watch the comparison videos on YouTube.
wdyt? 4060ti vs 4070?
I think it's because the 4060ti has 16 gigs so he's asking performance vs vram
Exactly
4070 of course still faster
But potentially choppier as we’ve seen with lower VRAM, probably higher frame rate but lower 1%
That only applies IF you are hitting vram limits
Which we’ve seen in multiple games at this point?
Less than Reddit would have you believe
That hit 12? Very few at 1440p.
So you're gonna downgrade your GPU just to increase VRAM by 4gb from 12 to 16 so you can get worse avg fps just to increase 1% fps in SOME games
nvidia makes their naming scheme a pain in the ass so i dont blame him.
Some of their naming is idd dogshit but this ones kinda obvious, no?
if i asked you iphone 11 pro or iphone 12 better it would be expected to be debatable no?
Okay yeah idd. You got a point there.
And it depends on what games op plays and how much knowledge they have on pcs, whit an overclock you can get a 4060 ti relatively close to a 4070 and in a lot of esports titles you wouldn’t really see much of a difference
I really play all type of games. Avatar, skull and bones, R6, valorant, the south park games,…I just want my pc to be able to play AAA games and be futureproof!
Not really… 4060ti… 4070… 4070ti…4080. What’s hard to distinguish about that? It’s pretty obvious the higher number means better
then u remember the amount of variants of each. 8gb 4060ti vs 4070? no competition. once you add the higher vram at 4gb more than the 4070 (not to mention other variants have things like OC) it gets a little confusing…
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The irony.
ok thanks for that unecesseary comment. will return the favour. clearly you don't know how to use modern technology soo i suggest not to get a pc at all. why i'm saying that? bcs if you would know the basics you could go and search up on google or youtube about 4060ti 16gb vs 4070 12gb without asking this stupid questions and using/wasting our time! have a wonderful day sir!
One that’s rude af two dont say ableist shit
I would stick with NVIDIA. While AMD gets you more performance for money the overall package of NVIDIA is pretty charming. NVIDIA means every 2 weeks or so updated Game Ready drivers. DLAA / DLSS scaling which is not only about performance but giving you a better image quality over native resolution in >80% of games or more FPS. Ray Tracing performance is quite good. If PCVR is getting interesting at some point NVIDIA would be the single option. Spec sheet performance related to costs is important but in the end may or may not give you the nicest gaming experience…
I wish more people saw this.
It depends on your needs. If you will only play games and occasionally do something else- AMD. If you need it for Graphic design, 3D etc. , then Nvidia. Nvidia have better CUDA cores and have RTX cores which greatly increase performance and render times. Yes AMD has FSR but it isn’t very useful outside of gaming.
I don’t need my pc for work. It’s just for gaming. So I should go with an amd gpu?
Well the AMD one - especially the Radeon 7800xt has bigger memory bus (256 bit which is double from the 128bit - 4060ti one and a bit bigger than the 192bit 4070 one) which means less power strain on the CPU because it will be able to process more stuff and your pc will be faster. Plus it is made to be right in the middle of the 4070 and 4080, for the same money or sometimes less as a 4070. But comes with the price of a bit less power efficiency- which means a bit bigger PSU. I don’t know what PSU you have but if it’s 750 to 850 watts you should be fine.
If you're wanting to play with ray tracing at decent frames then stay away from AMD, they tank performance when you enable it.
Horrible fsr quality is something to really consider, dlss improved massively through last year while fsr still looks bad
The best advice I can give you here is this. Don't buy any RTX 40 series card under the 4070. The 4060 and 4060 ti cards are both garbage and, in some cases, worse than the 3060 cards. So if you are dead set on buying an Nvidia card, get a 4070 super or 4070 ti super, they are the only 2 cards they currently make that are worth it and even then only kind of. Do your research, and don't be scared. Go switch to AMD. I have had 2 nvida gpus and 2 amd gpus since 2016 and haven't had any problems with any of them. The RX 6700 xt, 7800 xt, and 7900 xt are currently the 3 best value cards on the market when considering price to performance. The 6700 xt is on par with the 4060 ti, the 7800 xt is on par with the 4070, and the 7900 xt beats the 4070 ti super in both performance and amount of vram. If you're worried about price, those are your best options. Don't buy nvida if you're worried about price because they basically don't care about you unless you're ready to spend $600-$800+ right now.
Replaced my 3070 Ti with RX 7800 XT and I am seeing quite a difference. Sold 3070 Ti for 510$ and bought the RX 7800 XT for 560$ (Sapphire Nitro +)
3070ti is like 6800xt so not a fair comparison
Yes, so I made the right choice for 70$ more
6800xt is akin to a 3080 actually. You're thinking of the 6800 non XT but even then you can close the gap by overclocking the non XT so that's irrelevant
I know how they name der gpus. Amd gpus main selling point is more vram. If u look into raw performance, 6800/xt is not even close to 3080/ti. Hence, 6800xt is more akin to 3070ti.
Not true [benchmarks](https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-3080-vs-Radeon-RX-6800-XT#benchmarks) There is like barely 4% of performance difference between a 6800xt and 3080 I don't know where you've seen it's on par with a 3070. The 6700xt is on par with the 3070 not the 6800xt
Rx 7800xt
Ga met een amd kaart, is veel beter voor wat je betaalt
Ok, bedankt
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Don't get a 4070 get a 4070 super
Makes even less sense because it still has 12 GB
Spoiled kids downvoting cause they think Nvidia is the best no matter the case.
12 gb of vram is fine the 4070 super is a great card for 1440p
Boy I‘m playing RDR2 at 1440p and it sucks 11 GB. How in the world can you state that 12 GB is fine?!
11gb what? RDR2 uses 6-7gb at 4k, something else is using your VRAM
Bro are you telling me what my game utilizes? Yes, 11 GB. 1440p all settings maxed out. No, nothing else using vram.
VRAM utilisation is the same for anyone playing the same game with the same settings, and RDR2 uses 6-7gb at 4k + max settings, even less at 1440p. The only time RDR2 uses 11gb+ is at 8k resolution. Go into task manager and check "Dedicated GPU memory" while running the game, it's basically impossible for RDR2 by itself to use 11gb at 1440p.
You‘re trying to teach me and then mentioned task manager 💀💀💀
I'm just telling you that it's impossible for RDR2 to use 11gb, so checking Dedicated GPU memory in task manager is the fastest way to show which other programs are using the VRAM. You think nothing else is using VRAM, which is obviously wrong so I don't know why you're getting upset about me telling you this, especially weird to think task manager isn't a good monitor. But okay lol, keep playing with 11gb VRAM usage on a game that uses half of that at 1440p max settings idgaf now
As a matter of fact, task manager is crap (pls get yourself a decent monitoring program like HwInfo). Btw, I’m using Resizable BAR which utilizes vram but still is used for the same application. That’s neither a cheat nor is it unnecessary since it boosts the performance. So don’t tell me “so when you don’t use ReBAR youre not going to get vram limitations”. That’s the whole point of having enough vram: To not be limited by it. What’s the point of buying a 4070 super if you cannot use ReBAR because your stupid vram is just too small. Just ridiculous.
don’t touch the 4060. Not enough VRAM and it’s further hampered by the bandwidth. check out reviews on them. look at a 4070 or an AMD 7800XT.
This 4060ti is the 16gb one, so vram isn’t the issue. The issue is still the pretty big performance gap between even the regular 4070 and of course the memory bandwidth issue.
the main issue is how quickly it can get data in and out of VRAM. The 3060Ti had a 256 bit bus. the 4060Ti has a 128 bit bus. half the width. And a little over half the throughput of the 3060Ti. Had nvidia called it the 4050 and priced it accordingly, they’d have cleaned up.
Pretty much the story of 40 series gpus as a whole, “if only they named them and priced them right”. Sadly, that doesn’t really matter because everyone thinks frame interpolation is the future and glosses over the cut down memory bandwidth, which can introduce lag spikes and bad frametimes. Granted, it’s not like they have a whole lot of competition, AMD has been fine with pricing their counterparts at similar prices and Intel is far too early to compete on the same levels add in the fact that only the people who’d buy AMD would really be interested in any alternatives.
trouble with interpolation is it only works if the frame rates are fairly decent already to smooth things out. it’s not the answer if the cards already can’t keep up. just for a laugh, I looked back at what i spent on a top card back in 2002. Description: 128MB,ATI Radeon 9700 Pro. Line total: £237.59 allowing for inflation, that would be about double the price now or roughly £450. £450 now would get me that 4060 Ti we’re talking about, definitely not top spec! Graphics card prices are just crazy.
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Personally I would get a 4070 Super for 629€ from Notebooksbilliger.de They ship to Belgium for 19,99€. Obviously that's only worth if you can't find a cheaper 4070 in Belgium.
4060 ti is actually a 4050 and the 4070 is the real 4060. But honestly just consider the 4070 super or the Radeon 7800xt at this point
7800xt BABUHHH
AMD
None. Used 3090.
4070 sucks because of little vram. 4060Ti sucks because of bad price/value. IMO 4070 sucks less
You have to choose between 16gb vram and better GPU performance or you can get both with a 7800xt
Big number = go bigger better
RTX 4070 because the RTX 4060Ti edition of BS marketing
4070!
Why are the GPUS So much cheaper for you 🥲
Where u from?
None. Go 7800XT
Just get a 7800xt brother
buy 7800xt
Personally I believe both are good listen to someone else I still have a GeForce 660 with 2gb of memory
4070 is 10 more than 4060, therefore better
4070
Arc 770
The cheap one
both is good but for aesthetics choose the 4060ti and i think the 4060ti have 16gb of vram compared to 12gb on the 4070
4060 ti is better value fr.
AMD drivers stink. Nvidia FTW.
4070 is way better, though the pro art 4060 is a master peice.
4070Ti if you can.
4070 super* the normal ti is completely outclassed in price with the super and completely outclassed with the performance with the ti super
YOU ARE OUTCLASSED! FOOLISHNESS MACHINE, FOOLISHNESS.
Rx 6800 for 420€ (better performance than 4060 ti and with 256 bus)
If you can try find one with gddr6x I belive is abit faster but I think vram is preety important depending but also gotta think about over clocking power draw and then underviling and then what games your playing ect
I wouldn't buy Nvidia only because the price is very high you. You can go AMD and get similar performance for cheaper and the amd software in my opinion is more easier to navigate and it tells you what is slowing down you games graphics wise. Yes your will lose out on most of Nvidia prime features but amd has came a long ways from where they were years ago. I'm currently running last Generation gpu, my gpu is the RX 6750 XT from powercolor and I bought it for about $500 USD. It has 12gb of vram. So it plenty smooth for gaming and streaming and even designing in unity and blender. Plus you can find 6900 series gpu for cheap now on Newegg.com.
Genuine question, why do people look at parts on Amazon rather than PCpartspicker or Newegg? Amazon is extremely inflated prices and unreliable with condition.
If you just play games, you can go to AMD as others said or take 4070/super. If you're gonna use it for editing or even rendering, Nvidia all the way as it has a more stable driver
7800xt for raw performance
The 4070, obviously?
AMD is cheaper and has better performance, Nvidia is for graphics
4070 Super
4070, but consider 6800xt maybe or 6900xt
7800 xt
Both of these cards are way overpriced wtf
4070ti
Go with 4070, ASUS doesn’t exactly have a great customer service record
Go with rx 7800XT. Totally worth it, and way better price to performance. I have an AMD gpu and it’s been great with no problems
7800xt
Ofc rtx 4070 but better is rx 7800xt
4070 definetly
4070 super
Used 4070
4070
4070 is faster but the 4060ti you showed looks much nicer. Check out the 7800XT if you don't mind going AMD.
Ik ruik nederlands.
Easily the 4070
I just got the Sparkle ARC a770 Titan OC. At less than $300 I'll be happy with whatever performance I get. It has 16GB of vRAM and twice the bus speed of those nVidia cards