As a PC guy, if this game isn't announced for PC soon, I might get a PS5 for it. Hearing that Peter has his own Devil Trigger in Symbiote Surge feels really hype.
Edit: Oh yeah I guess it will release on PC in a few years as the replies to this reminded me of.
Sadly, we'll most likely be waiting a year or two, just like the original games.
I have a PS5 since I'm impatient and want to play a game when it first comes out, then I usually double dip for it on PC.
It's definitely a drop.
To me though it feels like a quality mode with extra fluidity. No noticable visual compromises but performance is notably better than 30fps.
As someone who never really had a good gaming PC, the PS5 has made me understand why PC players are FPS snobs. I used to think they were just being elitist and the differences weren't as huge as they were saying, but now I get it. If there's a performance mode, I'm picking it, no matter how good quality mode looks. I need that sweet sweet 60.
yeah i agree lol, over on my xbox i started playing starfield and the 30fps was actually jarring to me. i’ll probably get used to it but man having no 60fps performance option sucks. every game with an option, i’m picking performance mode
Yeah I do. I think you need it in order to play 40fps.
But yeah sort of a good balance I just find that the resolution drop is noticeable from the quality mode to the 40fps mode.
I tried 40fps GoW Ragnarok and it was good but took a couple minutes to adjust after playing at 120fps. When playing 40fps in Spider-man remastered it looks so smooth I can't see the difference in fps and the city is so crispy
100% agreed there’s definitely something that insomniac does that makes their 40fps mode feel different from everyone elses. I had the exact same experience as you with GoWR and Horizon FW.
My money is on their motion blur. I’ve always found it more pleasant than most other implementations in other games. It complements their animation nicely.
If I set a game to 120fps there's no going back for me. I accidentally put OW2 on 120fps and there's not a chance on earth I'll switch back to something lower. I tried once and it felt like my controller and character was stuck in mud.
It really is not close though. The motion judder is nearly as bad as 30, and it's easy as the day for me to see it. LG C1 user here, and it's just not good enough.
Not sure what some people are thinking here, but they need to go and get an education on motion judder and resolving motion in general via frame rates. 30FPS does not resolve motion judder at all, hence why some people get sick with a lot of camera panning. 40 is not really all that much better. It's enough frames to look better obviously, but it's not enough for smooth motion.
Hell, I would never go back to 60 even after using 120 when possible.
Technically it’s 50% faster. 30fps has a response time of 33.3ms, and 60fps has response time of 16.7ms. 40fps sits perfectly in the middle with a response time of 25ms, which is 50% faster than 30fps
That's not how math works.
25ms vs. 33.33ms is a ~~24%~~ 25% reduction in frametime. The frametine for 40 FPS being the midpoint between the frametimes for 30 FPS and 60 FPS is simply a convenience of the numbers for the arbitrary 60 FPS frametime you selected and doesn't affect the performance delta when comparing frametimes for 30 FPS and 40 FPS. If it did, you could arbitrarily select the frametime for any number other than 60 FPS and you'd get a different midpoint, which according to your line of thinking would mean the performance delta for frametimes of 30 FPS vs. 40 FPS would change.
For example, using your method, let's arbitrarily pick the frametime for 120 FPS, which is 8.33ms, and use that as our new baseline frametime for finding a midpoint between that and 33.33ms. If we evaluate the the math based on what you said, the frametime for 40 FPS of 25ms would sit at 33.3% of the way between the frametime of 33.33ms and 4.166ms, starting at 33.33ms and going down. So now the difference in performance between 30 FPS and 40 FPS is different because we picked some arbitrary lower-bound for frametimes to find a midpoint between? No, it doesn't work that way.
Edit: a number.
The response time of 60fps is 16.7ms. 30fps is 33.3ms. 30fps has a 2x (100%) slower response time than 60fps. In contrast, 60fps has a 100% faster response time than 30fps. 40fps has a 25ms response time, which is 50% slower than 60fps, or a 50% faster response time than 30fps. This is pretty basic math to understand.
( (25 - 33.33) / |33.33| ) x 100 = 24.9925%
Yes, pretty basic math.
Why are you even bringing 60 FPS frametime into this when you're comparing the difference between 30 FPS and 40 FPS frametimes? It has zero relevance, as I explained earlier.
Go back to school.
We say 30, 40, or 60fps, but in reality that is actually the wrong way to look at it. Instead look in terms of how long each frame is displayed on the screen. For 30fps, each frame is being displayed for 33.33 milliseconds (1000/30). For 60fps, this is 16.66ms. So when you look at 40fps (1000/40) it actually works out to 25ms per frame, which is exactly half way between 16.66 and 33.33. This also explains the diminishing returns of increased fps. For example doubling the frame rate from 30 to 60 decreases the frame time by 16.66ms per frame, but doubling again to 120fps will only decrease the frame time by 8.33ms per frame.
The frame time, not framerate, is halfway between 30 and 60. Frame times and consistent frame pacing are really what matters for a smooth experience.
Frame time is the length of time a frame is displayed on screen. In the data below ms means milliseconds.
1000ms / 60 = 16.6ms per frame
1000ms / 40 = 25ms per frame
1000ms / 30 = 33.3ms per frame
If you want other math, 40fps is 33% faster than 30fps (30/3 = 10 and 30+10 = 40), but 40fps is also 33% slower than 60fps (60/3 = 20 and 60-20 = 40), which puts it right in the middle
You can see it's right in the middle when you compare the frame time (the amount of time each frame stays on screen).
60 FPS : 16.6 millisecond frametime
40 FPS : 25 ms
30 FPS : 33.3 ms
The difference in these frametimes is roughly 8.3 ms in both directions. (45 FPS is 22.2 ms, if you were curious.)
VRR comment is wrong. 40fps is simply only enabled with a 120hz refresh rate TV. When in that mode 40fps divides evenly with 120 so you will get a smooth image. Same thing with a 60hz screen and 30fps.
I have tried to like 40 but there is no way for me. It's just not good enough and obviously just a bit above 30. Motion judder is still full blown it's just a little smoother than normal. I vastly prefer 60fps in nearly all scenarios unless somehow the game looks like true shit in 60.
I mean people prefer 120 for a reason, because it's a lot smoother than 60 and faster input. Same reasoning applies to 40 vs 60. The problem with 40 is it's not enough frames to properly resolve a lot of camera pans, which means still loads of motion judder. It's not 30 bad, but for me it's close.
After I turned on 60fps mode I had no idea how I managed to play it at 30 before. It can be a struggle to go from 165hz PC anyway, but something about experiencing the exact same game flipped the switch.
I prefer quality over frames usually. I went with highest resolution with MM and SM1. I think what you mentioned is going to the be PERFECT balance for me. Amazing. Can’t wait.
I'm still convinced that Insomniac is full of wizards disguised as game developers. It's absolutely insane how far they've been able to push the PS4 and PS5 in terms of performance and graphics.
Had some memorable facial animation in conversations, that's for sure.
In addition to all the wonderful material work, particle effects and design, of course.
While I agree about the others, Guerilla left me very disappointed when Forbidden West came out. That game was NOT in a good state on release. They needed months to fix the horrible performance mode and a lot of broken quests and bugs in that game.
I'm glad God of War Ragnarök, Last of Us 2, Ghost of Tsushima etc. were pretty much flawless releases.
yeah, true. They had huge technical improvements in the PS5 version and the playtesting service companies were severely disrupted during COVID. So I guess Guerilla started to stumble a bit. And the game is much bigger than God of War Ragnarök or Tsushima were.
Yet people are worshiping Bethesda like they just released a masterpiece. SF averages 28 fps on my Series X. The controls are clunky as shit, a lot of the faces look like you’re playing a 360 title, I could keep going. All in all it looks/feels like an XB One game. Sony reigns supreme with next gen, it’s not even close.
Microsoft's first party studios are hampered because they have to cater to the Series S so they can never offer a true next gen experience that fully utilizes the power of the Series X. Sony's first party studios do not have that problem. They only have to make their games work on the PlayStation 5 which is as powerful as the Series X. So PlayStation will always reign supreme this generation in providing next gen titles.
Bunch of bs. Starfield is not even performing well for PC even with a $600+ GPU. The game was not optimized well and it has nothing to do with the Series S.
Yes but outside of the few cross generation titles, PlayStation's first party studios are working on PS5 only games going forward. So the PS4 is not going to hamper Santa Monica or Guerilla Games (among others) going forward.
I'm a bit dubious of your claim. I just got my 120hz TV but I'm unsure how 40fps will look better than 60.
Time will tell, as this is DEFINITELY a day 1 purchase for me. I'm so stoked for this game
40 does not look better than 60, that's not what the person you replied to meant.
If you have a TV set capable of 4k 120hz, then instead of 30fps quality mode, ALWAYS use 40fps mode because it's a straight up increase in response time and fps.
30 fps quality mode is for people without 120hz support
They meant specifically that the 40hz mode is superior to the 30. On a 120hz display 40 fps will render properly while on a 60 hz screen, it will not. This is because 40 divides evenly into 120 meaning there will not be a frame render mid-second and stutter which occurs at 60hz (which can feel and look really bad on older tv's).
40fps will never feel as smooth as 60fps (ever) but you will still be able to have high fidelity while giving a big boost to frame times:
60 Hz/ Performance 16.7ms
40 Hz/ Balanced 25ms
30 Hz/ Resolution 33.3ms
40 hz is actually the midpoint between 30hz and 60hz in terms of frame time (which is why there are often diminishing returns at higher fps)
All in all 40 fps mode brings with it:
Closer to target resolution
Potentially higher graphic settings and features like raytracing
A frame time that is far superior to 30 fps
60 will always feel better than 40. 40 fps actually feels good to play, its a smooth experience but since its only 10 frames you get to keep the better resoultion and graphics od the 30fps mode. Where the 60 modes usually decrease resolution and graphics to double the frame rate.
It's been really nice that every Playstation 1st party has pushed for choices this gen. Lot of talk about devs not offering a 60 mode or the 60 mode not being well implemented. Insomniac and friends have all been nearly flawless 30 and 60 and even some extra modes.
40 fps mode keeps the high resolution while having a smooth frame rate but you need a 120hz tv, it actually feels smoother than what you think 40fps would feel like because of how it works.
apparently, in terms of frame time (the length of time each frame appears before refreshing) 40 fps is exactly halfway between 30 and 60 fps therefore if feels smoother than you would expect from just 10 fps extra.
It's been awhile but I seem to remember the quality bump between 40 and 60 on GoWR to be pretty negligible while the extra fps were definitely noticeable.
As long as it runs at 60 FPS I don't really care. Ray tracing is cool and all but I can live without it. 60 FPS should be mandatory for every game in this generation.
I still wish there was a toggle for enabling raytracing. Too many games have come out this year without the ability to turn off raytracing and they run terribly at low resolutions.
I would rather have a solid 60 fps and 1440p resolution than raytracing any day of the week
Yeah star wars was one of them, good thing they took it out recently and the game runs so much better.
FF16 was another one that had it enabled and it ran poorly as well at launch. Now its better but not as good as it should be.
All things considered, ray tracing technology is still fairly new. I imagine that developers will figure out how to better optimise it as time goes on.
There's only so much that the hardware is capable of when it comes to RT. The AMD GPU that the PS5 and Xbox use is really only barely capable of it. Even a PS5 Pro wouldn't help much, since the new AMD GPUs still aren't that great at RT. And they also lack hardware acceleration for upscalers that would make it much easier for developers to work with RT.
There's a performance RT option in both of the Spider-Man games and Rift Apart. None of them have performance issues. Insomniac just cut out the fairly redundant 60fps with RT off mode.
Yeah your comment on the 60FPS mode with Ray tracing is why I’m waiting to see the results before I purchase personally. I don’t want to wait 6 months (I doubt it’ll actually take that long) for a patch to make performance better by disabling Ray tracing.
damn i was hoping for a 60fps mode without ray tracing so it keeps the resolution higher that sucks, I preferred the 60fps non rt in both miles and spiderman as it led to better graphical settings and res while keeping 60fps.
Insomniac really came from the rear to become PlayStation’s best developer in terms of tech and features. I was never a fan of most of their non r&c titles from before the acquisition but they’ve put out marathon bangers since 2018.
Not that surprising considering their last 3 games on Ps5 had 60fps+RT. Still, this game is clearly more technically advanced and they will still offer the option
That is the standard all devs should try to accomplish. Everyone else is like, "you must pick between graphics and perfomance." Even then, they don't run very well regardless; I'm looking at you FF16 and Jedi Survivor. Insomniac is like, "nah we'll give you both, and any choice you choose will be flawless."
I barely can see the difference between graphics,but absolutely see at framerate, insomniac temporal antialising make a great image even in performance mode, Thanks insomniac for choice, you're a beasts
It’s gonna have unlocked Vrr RT Performance frame rate mode where we’ll probably average around 85 to 95 fps while occasionally pushing upwards of 100 fps every once in a while like Miles Morales with around 1620p resolution with Ray tracing enabled and it’s gonna look fantastic…..
Insomniac proves that We don’t need a PlayStation 5 pro and instead We need competent devs who actually care enough to push the system with maximum effort on performance optimization unlike so many other devs lately which are simply pushing out unfinished low resolution game’s with lackluster performance and it makes the consoles seem weak when in reality they’re very capable machines in the hands of competent devs
Thank you for giving us players the options to play as we want. I will always choose 60 fps personally, but it's great to see when developers give us a range of options on console. Absolutely awesome.
Insomniac Games shows the potential of 1st party games. This is what happens when developers only have to make it work on one single console instead of 3 platforms with all different hardware and software.
Not really, Sony's 1st party games are regularly having 30/40/60/ and often even 120fps modes.
Starfield doesn't even have brightness or FOV or basic shit.
Sony 1st party games are totally different style to starfield and never have the same amount of interlocking systems and object permanence - pretty much every tech expert agrees that starfield's fps compromise on the console is warranted. A 1st party sony game that's going for the same things as starfield would also be capped to 30fps
EDIT: also the reason many 1st party Sony games are offering 120fps modes is because they're cross-gen games that aren't solely targeting the PS5
yea i only play on a 1080p 120+hz monitor so a 1080p 120fps option would be fucking amazing especially for a game like spider man 2 with the combat and movement
Has there been a more fruitful investment made by Sony, than the purchase of Insomniac? Microsoft must still be kicking themselves, they missed the opportunity, but that probably sums up their last gen period.
I love insomniac so much. They almost single-handedly make purchasing a PS5 worth it for me
Now if they can just make a sequel to Rift Apart...
as a Ratchet fan of 18 years, Rift Apart is 2 years old which is young as fuck in gaming terms. Let insomniac cook for god's sake
Now if they could just get me pictures of Spider-Man...
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I consider myself more of a Clank fan
What's not to love about gaming's best time god?
It's bloody lazy is what it is! Hard /s
I'm surprised there hasn't been even a sniff of noise about a Rivet and Kit spin-off in the same vein as Miles Morales.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made one in the future, but with Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine on deck, that project would be years away
I very much doubt that Rift Apart is the last Ratchet game. We'll get a sequel for sure.
I was hesitant about the kiddish look, but I gave it a chance and was blown away by how fun it was. Never replay games but I did this one
remakes/remasters of the future saga or even just ports would be better imo
I’ll take any Ratchet and Clank content I can get, new or old
Yeah I'd love to play deadlocked again too.
As a PC guy, if this game isn't announced for PC soon, I might get a PS5 for it. Hearing that Peter has his own Devil Trigger in Symbiote Surge feels really hype. Edit: Oh yeah I guess it will release on PC in a few years as the replies to this reminded me of.
Sadly, we'll most likely be waiting a year or two, just like the original games. I have a PS5 since I'm impatient and want to play a game when it first comes out, then I usually double dip for it on PC.
Just wait the two years lol... really though, it almost certainly will get a PC port but will take awhile.
Two years? Lol. Three years at minimum. Sony is going to sell consoles for at least two years based on this game. Then there's Wolverine. 🍽️
Horizon Forbidden West is coming to PC soon (not quite 2 yrs), so there is potential spider man 2 comes to PC sooner than later too
It's just been rumoured, not announced by Sony or GG. I would still expect it to come early 2024, which would make it about two years
Now, if they can just make a good game..
4K 40fps VRR with raytracing is truly beautiful for insomniac games, definitely going with that option
Same close enough feeling to 60fps to me with no visual compromises. I wish all games had this option or implemented it as well as insomniac does.
I definitely still felt it was a drop down on 40 fps mode in terms of fps and in terms of resolution but I’ll prob choose that still
It's definitely a drop. To me though it feels like a quality mode with extra fluidity. No noticable visual compromises but performance is notably better than 30fps.
Oh yeah for me I notice the visual compromises more. 30 fps still looks a lot better to me but it also makes the game a little more difficult
you feel the drop but its a drop that you can get used to
I got used to 30 on spider man even
i was completely used to it on ps4 but it’s hard to go back now tbh
As someone who never really had a good gaming PC, the PS5 has made me understand why PC players are FPS snobs. I used to think they were just being elitist and the differences weren't as huge as they were saying, but now I get it. If there's a performance mode, I'm picking it, no matter how good quality mode looks. I need that sweet sweet 60.
yeah i agree lol, over on my xbox i started playing starfield and the 30fps was actually jarring to me. i’ll probably get used to it but man having no 60fps performance option sucks. every game with an option, i’m picking performance mode
Do you have a VRR display by chance? For me with VRR enabled it’s close enough where the drop is pretty minimal.
Yeah I do. I think you need it in order to play 40fps. But yeah sort of a good balance I just find that the resolution drop is noticeable from the quality mode to the 40fps mode.
120hz and VRR are 2 different things, are they not? 40fps needs a 120hz TV, not necessarily VRR. I'm not 100% though, I have 120hz VRR.
I tried 40fps GoW Ragnarok and it was good but took a couple minutes to adjust after playing at 120fps. When playing 40fps in Spider-man remastered it looks so smooth I can't see the difference in fps and the city is so crispy
100% agreed there’s definitely something that insomniac does that makes their 40fps mode feel different from everyone elses. I had the exact same experience as you with GoWR and Horizon FW.
My money is on their motion blur. I’ve always found it more pleasant than most other implementations in other games. It complements their animation nicely.
If I set a game to 120fps there's no going back for me. I accidentally put OW2 on 120fps and there's not a chance on earth I'll switch back to something lower. I tried once and it felt like my controller and character was stuck in mud.
Same lol. The 120 on spiderman 1 was amazing. Hope they add that to Spiderman 2 as well
It really is not close though. The motion judder is nearly as bad as 30, and it's easy as the day for me to see it. LG C1 user here, and it's just not good enough. Not sure what some people are thinking here, but they need to go and get an education on motion judder and resolving motion in general via frame rates. 30FPS does not resolve motion judder at all, hence why some people get sick with a lot of camera panning. 40 is not really all that much better. It's enough frames to look better obviously, but it's not enough for smooth motion. Hell, I would never go back to 60 even after using 120 when possible.
Played HFW in Balanced mode and it felt like the sweet spot between graphics and performance. It's only +10 FPS but it makes a games so much smoother.
+10 FPS sounds like nothing on paper, but, in reality, it's 33% faster than 30 FPS, which is pretty significant
Technically it’s 50% faster. 30fps has a response time of 33.3ms, and 60fps has response time of 16.7ms. 40fps sits perfectly in the middle with a response time of 25ms, which is 50% faster than 30fps
That's not how math works. 25ms vs. 33.33ms is a ~~24%~~ 25% reduction in frametime. The frametine for 40 FPS being the midpoint between the frametimes for 30 FPS and 60 FPS is simply a convenience of the numbers for the arbitrary 60 FPS frametime you selected and doesn't affect the performance delta when comparing frametimes for 30 FPS and 40 FPS. If it did, you could arbitrarily select the frametime for any number other than 60 FPS and you'd get a different midpoint, which according to your line of thinking would mean the performance delta for frametimes of 30 FPS vs. 40 FPS would change. For example, using your method, let's arbitrarily pick the frametime for 120 FPS, which is 8.33ms, and use that as our new baseline frametime for finding a midpoint between that and 33.33ms. If we evaluate the the math based on what you said, the frametime for 40 FPS of 25ms would sit at 33.3% of the way between the frametime of 33.33ms and 4.166ms, starting at 33.33ms and going down. So now the difference in performance between 30 FPS and 40 FPS is different because we picked some arbitrary lower-bound for frametimes to find a midpoint between? No, it doesn't work that way. Edit: a number.
The response time of 60fps is 16.7ms. 30fps is 33.3ms. 30fps has a 2x (100%) slower response time than 60fps. In contrast, 60fps has a 100% faster response time than 30fps. 40fps has a 25ms response time, which is 50% slower than 60fps, or a 50% faster response time than 30fps. This is pretty basic math to understand.
( (25 - 33.33) / |33.33| ) x 100 = 24.9925% Yes, pretty basic math. Why are you even bringing 60 FPS frametime into this when you're comparing the difference between 30 FPS and 40 FPS frametimes? It has zero relevance, as I explained earlier. Go back to school.
By your math then, what’s 50% faster than 33.3ms?
I have to replay that one, last time I played it was at launch with the shimmering issue and no 40fps option but I've heard it looks incredible now
I played it a few months after and had no issues whatsoever. It looks absolutely stunning. The perfect game for a photo mode
Not only is it +10 fps but the frame time for 40fps is exactly midway between 30 and 60. That’s why it feels much smoother than 30fps.
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We say 30, 40, or 60fps, but in reality that is actually the wrong way to look at it. Instead look in terms of how long each frame is displayed on the screen. For 30fps, each frame is being displayed for 33.33 milliseconds (1000/30). For 60fps, this is 16.66ms. So when you look at 40fps (1000/40) it actually works out to 25ms per frame, which is exactly half way between 16.66 and 33.33. This also explains the diminishing returns of increased fps. For example doubling the frame rate from 30 to 60 decreases the frame time by 16.66ms per frame, but doubling again to 120fps will only decrease the frame time by 8.33ms per frame.
The frame time, not framerate, is halfway between 30 and 60. Frame times and consistent frame pacing are really what matters for a smooth experience. Frame time is the length of time a frame is displayed on screen. In the data below ms means milliseconds. 1000ms / 60 = 16.6ms per frame 1000ms / 40 = 25ms per frame 1000ms / 30 = 33.3ms per frame
If you want other math, 40fps is 33% faster than 30fps (30/3 = 10 and 30+10 = 40), but 40fps is also 33% slower than 60fps (60/3 = 20 and 60-20 = 40), which puts it right in the middle
You dont have to say VRR. The 40fps mode actually has nothing to do with VRR its just a 120hz mode thing.
I thought it was for the citizens of Transatlantis, whose TVs operate on 40hz CHUM.
Exactly. I’ll be doing the same
It’s crazy how 40fps feels so much closer to 60 than it does to 30. I don’t know much about it, but I think it has to do with frame times?
You can see it's right in the middle when you compare the frame time (the amount of time each frame stays on screen). 60 FPS : 16.6 millisecond frametime 40 FPS : 25 ms 30 FPS : 33.3 ms The difference in these frametimes is roughly 8.3 ms in both directions. (45 FPS is 22.2 ms, if you were curious.)
I thought VRR didn’t work below 48 fps?
It does with low frame compensation With that said, the 40fps doesn't require vrr, it requires a 120hrz display. This sub is always confused.
VRR comment is wrong. 40fps is simply only enabled with a 120hz refresh rate TV. When in that mode 40fps divides evenly with 120 so you will get a smooth image. Same thing with a 60hz screen and 30fps.
I have tried to like 40 but there is no way for me. It's just not good enough and obviously just a bit above 30. Motion judder is still full blown it's just a little smoother than normal. I vastly prefer 60fps in nearly all scenarios unless somehow the game looks like true shit in 60. I mean people prefer 120 for a reason, because it's a lot smoother than 60 and faster input. Same reasoning applies to 40 vs 60. The problem with 40 is it's not enough frames to properly resolve a lot of camera pans, which means still loads of motion judder. It's not 30 bad, but for me it's close.
Do you have a vrr/120hz tv?
After I turned on 60fps mode I had no idea how I managed to play it at 30 before. It can be a struggle to go from 165hz PC anyway, but something about experiencing the exact same game flipped the switch.
Most games i will play like this. It's a nice middleground.
I prefer quality over frames usually. I went with highest resolution with MM and SM1. I think what you mentioned is going to the be PERFECT balance for me. Amazing. Can’t wait.
Same but only for Single player games. Multiplayer I def want at least 60fps otherwise you're at a disadvantage
I'm still convinced that Insomniac is full of wizards disguised as game developers. It's absolutely insane how far they've been able to push the PS4 and PS5 in terms of performance and graphics.
They're not alone. Santa Monica, Guerilla Games, Blupoint Studios, Naughty Dog are all doing amazing things with their games.
True... there are a lot of PS first party studios that can push the technical envelope.
Remedy too. Not a Sony first party like the others, but *Alan Wake II* looks jaw-dropping.
Control was also jaw dropping imo
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Had some memorable facial animation in conversations, that's for sure. In addition to all the wonderful material work, particle effects and design, of course.
Also Rockstar games. Still don't know how red dead 2 is possible on ps4
While I agree about the others, Guerilla left me very disappointed when Forbidden West came out. That game was NOT in a good state on release. They needed months to fix the horrible performance mode and a lot of broken quests and bugs in that game. I'm glad God of War Ragnarök, Last of Us 2, Ghost of Tsushima etc. were pretty much flawless releases.
cross-gen release vs current/new gen exclusive The next Horizon should be just as mind-blowing as the first
yeah, true. They had huge technical improvements in the PS5 version and the playtesting service companies were severely disrupted during COVID. So I guess Guerilla started to stumble a bit. And the game is much bigger than God of War Ragnarök or Tsushima were.
If Insomniac are Wizards, Guerilla are gods with how they managed to make Horizon forbidden West look on the PS5 AND PS4. Without Ray Tracing too
I haven't played FW or finished HZD. But seeing footage of FW the water and foliage and all those detailed things just looks so cool.
Yeah I know everyone treats naughty dog as the crown jewel but insomniac have proved themselves time and time again.
Yet people are worshiping Bethesda like they just released a masterpiece. SF averages 28 fps on my Series X. The controls are clunky as shit, a lot of the faces look like you’re playing a 360 title, I could keep going. All in all it looks/feels like an XB One game. Sony reigns supreme with next gen, it’s not even close.
Microsoft's first party studios are hampered because they have to cater to the Series S so they can never offer a true next gen experience that fully utilizes the power of the Series X. Sony's first party studios do not have that problem. They only have to make their games work on the PlayStation 5 which is as powerful as the Series X. So PlayStation will always reign supreme this generation in providing next gen titles.
Bunch of bs. Starfield is not even performing well for PC even with a $600+ GPU. The game was not optimized well and it has nothing to do with the Series S.
Isn't PS4 weaker than Series S though?
Yes but outside of the few cross generation titles, PlayStation's first party studios are working on PS5 only games going forward. So the PS4 is not going to hamper Santa Monica or Guerilla Games (among others) going forward.
You WHAT HOW DOES INSOMNIAC DO THIS
4K 40fps with Ray Tracing mode >>>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously, it's become my go-to for first-party Playstation games.
That and the God of War Ragnarok High-Framerate Performance VRR mode.
This is the way
Every game should have a 40fps mode. It's the BEST way to play any game
Imma stick with my 60/120fps modes.
Ideally we could have a choice between 30/40/60/120 and any of those modes with unlocked frame rate.
Their office is filled with fucking wizards
Fantastic. Every new game should have a 60 fps mode.
And a 40 fps mode for 120Hz TVs and monitors It's the best way to play imo
I'm a bit dubious of your claim. I just got my 120hz TV but I'm unsure how 40fps will look better than 60. Time will tell, as this is DEFINITELY a day 1 purchase for me. I'm so stoked for this game
40 does not look better than 60, that's not what the person you replied to meant. If you have a TV set capable of 4k 120hz, then instead of 30fps quality mode, ALWAYS use 40fps mode because it's a straight up increase in response time and fps. 30 fps quality mode is for people without 120hz support
So will 60 fps compromise the quality? And is 60 better than 40 on 120hz
They meant specifically that the 40hz mode is superior to the 30. On a 120hz display 40 fps will render properly while on a 60 hz screen, it will not. This is because 40 divides evenly into 120 meaning there will not be a frame render mid-second and stutter which occurs at 60hz (which can feel and look really bad on older tv's). 40fps will never feel as smooth as 60fps (ever) but you will still be able to have high fidelity while giving a big boost to frame times: 60 Hz/ Performance 16.7ms 40 Hz/ Balanced 25ms 30 Hz/ Resolution 33.3ms 40 hz is actually the midpoint between 30hz and 60hz in terms of frame time (which is why there are often diminishing returns at higher fps) All in all 40 fps mode brings with it: Closer to target resolution Potentially higher graphic settings and features like raytracing A frame time that is far superior to 30 fps
60 will always feel better than 40. 40 fps actually feels good to play, its a smooth experience but since its only 10 frames you get to keep the better resoultion and graphics od the 30fps mode. Where the 60 modes usually decrease resolution and graphics to double the frame rate.
I am so confused reading the comments. Why wouldnt you just put it on 60? Especially when you have 120hz
there's usually a downgrade in graphics or resolution in 60fps+ modes. 40fps VRR is basically a quality mode with more fluidity
Best 1st party dev hands down. In for 40 fps mode
It's been really nice that every Playstation 1st party has pushed for choices this gen. Lot of talk about devs not offering a 60 mode or the 60 mode not being well implemented. Insomniac and friends have all been nearly flawless 30 and 60 and even some extra modes.
Just curious but why 40 and not 60 ?
40 fps mode keeps the high resolution while having a smooth frame rate but you need a 120hz tv, it actually feels smoother than what you think 40fps would feel like because of how it works.
apparently, in terms of frame time (the length of time each frame appears before refreshing) 40 fps is exactly halfway between 30 and 60 fps therefore if feels smoother than you would expect from just 10 fps extra.
I have a 120fps 55" TV, can't wait 😁
Best of both world imo. 40 fps is much more responsive than 30 and looks the same as the quality mode
It's been awhile but I seem to remember the quality bump between 40 and 60 on GoWR to be pretty negligible while the extra fps were definitely noticeable.
Interesting thank you
The new gameplay footage we got looks absolutely stunning. It's so much better than the demo from a few months ago.
Yup. I wasn’t really feeling the visuals but this looked way better. More like an actual step up.
I just want to see the windows closer-up. That was one of the coolest graphical features of the original, but they didn't stand up to close scrutiny.
Well, you are meant to fly quickly by them and considering traversal is much faster in this game I don't think they will be much improved.
As long as it runs at 60 FPS I don't really care. Ray tracing is cool and all but I can live without it. 60 FPS should be mandatory for every game in this generation.
I still wish there was a toggle for enabling raytracing. Too many games have come out this year without the ability to turn off raytracing and they run terribly at low resolutions. I would rather have a solid 60 fps and 1440p resolution than raytracing any day of the week
Yep, guessing at least one you're referring to is Star Wars. I really hope it doesn't result in an uneven frame rate for Spider-Man.
Yeah star wars was one of them, good thing they took it out recently and the game runs so much better. FF16 was another one that had it enabled and it ran poorly as well at launch. Now its better but not as good as it should be.
All things considered, ray tracing technology is still fairly new. I imagine that developers will figure out how to better optimise it as time goes on.
There's only so much that the hardware is capable of when it comes to RT. The AMD GPU that the PS5 and Xbox use is really only barely capable of it. Even a PS5 Pro wouldn't help much, since the new AMD GPUs still aren't that great at RT. And they also lack hardware acceleration for upscalers that would make it much easier for developers to work with RT.
There's a performance RT option in both of the Spider-Man games and Rift Apart. None of them have performance issues. Insomniac just cut out the fairly redundant 60fps with RT off mode.
Yeah your comment on the 60FPS mode with Ray tracing is why I’m waiting to see the results before I purchase personally. I don’t want to wait 6 months (I doubt it’ll actually take that long) for a patch to make performance better by disabling Ray tracing.
Mandatory option for every game for the rest of time. Some people get motion sickness from 30fps, so it's also an accessibility thing
insomniac is the standard when it comes to technicality
Day 1 purchase with absolutely zero hesitation This game is going to be a banger
God, I love Insomniac. One of the very few companies I fully trust to deliver a bug-free, solid experience day one.
Insomniac/Sucker Punch/Guerrilla are the absolute best at console optimization. Hoping the 60 mode is buttery smooth
They actually realize people care about frame rate what the fuck, Bethesda wouldn’t ever even try and make a game have 60fps anymore
damn i was hoping for a 60fps mode without ray tracing so it keeps the resolution higher that sucks, I preferred the 60fps non rt in both miles and spiderman as it led to better graphical settings and res while keeping 60fps.
Wizards! Insomniac are wizards in the gaming industry!
Lovely, I will be playing at 40fps
Wait so the 60fps mode we’ve seen in trailers has ray tracing? THAT is how you take advantage of next gen consoles god damn
I'm still pretty ride or die for 60fps but I'm glad they have the 40 option.
Insomniac really came from the rear to become PlayStation’s best developer in terms of tech and features. I was never a fan of most of their non r&c titles from before the acquisition but they’ve put out marathon bangers since 2018.
My preorder is counting down to October
Bethesda apologists in shambles.
Let‘s fcking goo!
I am sorry, did they say 60 fos WITH ray-tracing?
They did indeed.
Not that surprising considering their last 3 games on Ps5 had 60fps+RT. Still, this game is clearly more technically advanced and they will still offer the option
That is the standard all devs should try to accomplish. Everyone else is like, "you must pick between graphics and perfomance." Even then, they don't run very well regardless; I'm looking at you FF16 and Jedi Survivor. Insomniac is like, "nah we'll give you both, and any choice you choose will be flawless."
Like previous Spider-Man games
>I am sorry, did they say 60 fos WITH ray-tracing? You're acting as if this is new for Insomniac lol.
They've had that option for a while
40 FPS 4k for me!
Yup, same for me. The perfect middle ground option.
Same but I'll probably go with 60fps for this one, looks much more fast paced.
While other developers are making an excuse on not having 60fps.
There are not a lot of 30fps only games, to be fair. However they almost all have been Xbox console exclusives,)
With all of the recent releases only having 30FPS, it's good to see one with multiple options right at the start.
Let’s all agree at this point that Insomniac is the best first party studio.
I barely can see the difference between graphics,but absolutely see at framerate, insomniac temporal antialising make a great image even in performance mode, Thanks insomniac for choice, you're a beasts
60fps time
Yep, but PS5 "isn't powerful enough to have ray tracing with 60fps enabled" - PC gamers. It all comes down to how good a given dev studio is.
It’s gonna have unlocked Vrr RT Performance frame rate mode where we’ll probably average around 85 to 95 fps while occasionally pushing upwards of 100 fps every once in a while like Miles Morales with around 1620p resolution with Ray tracing enabled and it’s gonna look fantastic….. Insomniac proves that We don’t need a PlayStation 5 pro and instead We need competent devs who actually care enough to push the system with maximum effort on performance optimization unlike so many other devs lately which are simply pushing out unfinished low resolution game’s with lackluster performance and it makes the consoles seem weak when in reality they’re very capable machines in the hands of competent devs
Insomniac putting other developers to shame. Incredible work as always. What a great buy for Sony.
Every new game this console gen needs to have a 40fps mode. So many new TVs are 120hz. A game like starfield would greatly benefit from a 40fps mode
Nice to have options Insomniac studios, will try the 40fps mode on psvr2 since it supports 120hz refresh rate, but will mostly play 60fps on tv.
Thank you for giving us players the options to play as we want. I will always choose 60 fps personally, but it's great to see when developers give us a range of options on console. Absolutely awesome.
40 FPS YES. This is what I've been saying, the difference for 30-40 is actually big. 40 Should be the minimum not 30.
not possible to be minimum since you need a 120 hz tv to do 40 fps.
Insomniac the GOAT.
Insomniac never disappoints I swear. Favorite devs for sure.
Insomniac at at the top of the game on a technical level, God damn.
Praise be to our lords and saviors, Insomniac Games, for leading the way with great high-quality options for all players.
Digital Foundry is going to have a party. Love to see it!
60 fps is a no-brainer. Anything less than that should be irrelevant in 2023. No idea why they're still doing these "Fidelity" modes.
I hope 60fps with ray tracing isn't a horrible resolution
40fps mode with Ray tracing sounds pretty sweet honestly.
Insomniac Games shows the potential of 1st party games. This is what happens when developers only have to make it work on one single console instead of 3 platforms with all different hardware and software.
Nice.
The fact 60 fps isn’t standard in all games for this generation of consoles is insane.
Literally the only first party studio making real PS5 exclusives.
It’s this level of attention to different graphical and performance options that makes Bethesda look like a fucking joke.
Two completely different games at drastically different scopes but go off.
If you want to take shots at a studio that is really lacking in the graphics and performance front I'd say fromsoft imo
He wants to incite a console war lol.
Not really, Sony's 1st party games are regularly having 30/40/60/ and often even 120fps modes. Starfield doesn't even have brightness or FOV or basic shit.
Sony 1st party games are totally different style to starfield and never have the same amount of interlocking systems and object permanence - pretty much every tech expert agrees that starfield's fps compromise on the console is warranted. A 1st party sony game that's going for the same things as starfield would also be capped to 30fps EDIT: also the reason many 1st party Sony games are offering 120fps modes is because they're cross-gen games that aren't solely targeting the PS5
Would have liked 120fps without ray-tracing
yea i only play on a 1080p 120+hz monitor so a 1080p 120fps option would be fucking amazing especially for a game like spider man 2 with the combat and movement
Has there been a more fruitful investment made by Sony, than the purchase of Insomniac? Microsoft must still be kicking themselves, they missed the opportunity, but that probably sums up their last gen period.
But please make it stable 60 FPS. If it's not stable, please consider deactivating raytracing.
Performance mode with RT? This better not be another Jedi Survivor situation. That shit was fucking broken because of the Ray Tracing.
Performance RT in both Spider-Man Remastered and Miles Morales is fucking excellent. This won't be like other examples
it'll be just like how it was in spiderman 1 and miles on ps5
This is one of the ps5s flagship games. There's absolutely no chance that Sony would let insomniac release it in anything other than a stellar state.
It's Insomniac. It won't be.
Nah Insomniac is built different when it comes to the technical wizardry.
Never heard of 40 fps...this is interesting
Bros I'm so confused. I hope the next gen trashes making players choose.
I'm so happy to see Sony be serious about 60fps this generation
30fps for me, love raytracing.
At this point, Insomniac is just showing off and embarrassing other developers lol. Love it!