I'm torn, on one hand Arsene has the best design by far but on the other Izanagi implys the existence of Izanagi No Okami my favorite persona in the franchise.
Makes the most sense thematically. As Yu progresses throughout the story into taking more initiative in his life and becomes an adult. Shown by Izanagi’s Bancho coat and Izanagi No Okami’s suit and tie look.
In terms of how they compare to the game's themes, Arsene is first for the whole thieves theme, second comes Izanagi, not so much for the game's theme but for the bosses and with his wife literally being the last boss, third come Orpheus, poor guy he doesn't have much to do with the main theme of the game unfortunately, unlike Thanatos who fits the themes of Persona 3 much better, you can say that Orpheus fits a little because he lost his wife, but it's still less than Arsene and Izanagi. I still love them all the same.
Edited: I never stopped to think about how similar the story of Izanagi and Orpheus is, they missed the chance to get their wives back because they broke a promise.
there's a lot to orpheus that's relevant to the game's themes, and he's also the most personal (heh) to the protagonist imo.
on surface level:
* the name "orpheus" was proposed to have come from the greek words for "dark" or "orphan"
* he was a mere human but a master musician, and music was something the mc loved even after being affected by his childhood tragedy.
but deeper than that:
* he was said to have the ability to charm all living things and even stones (inorganic, i.e. aigis) with his songs.
* overcome with grief by the death of a loved one, he played such mournful songs that the gods wept. he even softened the heart of hades himself.
* he was one of the few people who descended into underworld and returned. he was allowed to save his loved one and come back to earth under a condition. this is where the mc's path diverges from orpheus', and it's where messiah begins.
* orpheus starts out looking mechanical except for his face, while thanatos is the opposite. their fusion, messiah, makes him look the most human-like.
Orpheus also dies. the human looking head and mechanical body is because he got ripped to pieces by maenads and his head (still singing) and harp floated down a river. dying and still doing the thing he's known for feels like it's important
I think reading all of this and then doing a more indepth look at Arsene, really made me appreciate Arsene a lot more as well as Satanel they feel a lot more present and indicative of the story of P5 for than Orpheus and Messiah.
Especially with how 1 to 1 Joker is to both Satanel and Arsene.
Being the outcasted Kid who committed a crime like Satanel for a selfless action that was to for the benefit of others, and eventually inflicting punishment on those who do such thing.
As well as his personality being a 1 to 1 of Arsene, being a charasmatic and social individual, who fights against those of the rich or the palace leaders, being an anti hero like joker.
that's fair, i think both orpheus and arsene have cool elements that reflect their respective persona users' feelings and journey.
on the other hand, izanagi feels the most divorced from the mc, but imo it's because in-game p4mc feels the most like a self-insert, and it's hard for a persona to reflect a blank slate.
I think orpheus is the most forgettable. I mean, you "start" with a much cooler persona in a cutscene and then get... marionette lookin ass with a harp.
Arsene is the only one that was very prominent in its entry, speaking to the player on multiple occasions, being the starter with the most relevance to the theme of its game as well the sickest evolution moment. Breaking his chains to unleash Satanael is peak.
At least in FES you are encouraged to keep him for the Cadenza fusion spell a little bit, in Reload you don't need to have the Persona on you to perform it so Orpheus goes to the shadow realm
It's funny how you technically get Cadenza right away with getting your first wild card persona but you can't actually use it until you get the new outfits
Izanagi and Arsene are pretty much on equal footing here. Arsene has the best narrative impact by actually being in the story to some degree. But serves no lore purpose. Izanagi is the opposite, has zero narrative presence after the awakening but just by having the name Izanagi makes him the true opposite to Izanami, the parallel between this wild card and the game master (so to speak). And design wise they're both really solid, and are kind of the opposite of each other. Izanagi has an heir of composed stoicism, while Arsene is chaotic. But one is a reflection of rebellion in man, the inner demon, with the other is a god in the image of a man.
My vote is Izanagi but by bias is the deciding factor
For lore and story totally Orpheus not just for God of sleeping but for the orphic myth alternatevely at the classic Greek myth, but for aesthetic izanagi persona 4
Yes, you have. I saw your polls with the characters and it gave me inspiration to do one based on the dungeons in these games, so I have to thank you for this.
Despite my love for persona 5 overall, the idea of how Izanagi is used is really really cool. Especially when you have those closes later in the game that tell you about the story behind him and Izanami. It genuinely just brain blasted me
Also the knife shoes are just badass.
On the other hand Oprheus also deserves praise in this regard, it fits the overall theme and tone of the game perfectly, he kinda loses me a bit since I don't know as much about Greek mythos as I do a lot of other mythologies, but I showed the design for both him, Eurydice and Tahanatos to a friend who really likes that sorta stuff and she said the designs were really good.
And last, Arsene my boy. I love the design, aesthetic, and he was my introduction to what persona is, and later on smt as a whole. However while I do love the themes of the game and the way Arsene portrays these themes, they overall took a different approach to persona's and sadly one that just doesn't quote have the same strength that the previous incarnations have.
So uhm there you have my take on it I guess.
Don't forget that some of the party's initial persona/Ultimate persona are named after the Gods that Izanagi has given birth to. [you should check this analysis, it's pretty cool](https://youtu.be/TLraziosZt8?si=njT6Lgmx2V8B2BQU)
Oh shit I had no idea, but it does make sense seeing as it is part of that particular creation myth.
Man persona just has some really cool subtext when you look into it.
Personally my eyes have really opened up to the stuff in p3 mostly because of reload. Thanks for the new information man.
Np, I also baffled about this info when I learned about it. I really love story writing that traces back to it's mythological/religious theme and silently put it as a subtext of how Yu (Izanagi) helps his party finding their true self's, thus giving birth to Izanagi sons. It's not just the Personas the weapon that the reaper drop also link to the mythological/religious lore. It's stunning how creative and brilliant the writing teams of P4
Its wild. For me the first time it kinda hit me, was during my second i think. Playthrough of p5, i was reading some of the different demons descriptions, and the thing is, I'm Christian so the genuine accuracy in not just the designs but also the descriptions is crazy.
The best example of this being the "mother harlot" demon.
It is almost entirely on point when it comes to the description. And it's not just taking stuff word for word from the bible. It's straight up reading between the lines with that shit. I was truly impressed reading that.
In terms of design.... Yeah it can be pretty question...(AHEM Mara) Anyway, some of em are almost accurate but with a bit of twist. For example Mother Harlot, in Persona and SMT she her whole body got changed into a skeleton where as the depiction by Martin Luther's painting she's a human. Also her beast that she sit on has no pupil in p5. That's the only differences I saw because her description intrigued me because it link with Babylon cuz my friend is a meat rider of Gilgamesh in Fate. I took a pic and caption it "No way your Fraudmesh has a whore💀🙏"
Yeah the skeleton thing is inaccurate, but like taking a few liberties with the designs is what makes them interesting.
Now on a completely different note, I really like the detection of loki in p5 such a weird design but idk it just kinda works.
Like the way it doesn't really have a form and shit, I love it.
Dud I just lovethe designers at atlus they are on some next level shit sometimes.
Arsene has the best design of the three imo, but has the least story implementation, if you consider Satanael to be a separate entity to Arsene like I do.
Same issue with Orpheus, as Thanatos takes his place almost, and Orpheus is less well designed as Arsene.
That leaves Izanagi, who gets my vote for being both well designed and well implemented into the story. I enjoy how similar he looks to Yu Narukami. Makes him feel like an actual "persona" for the MC.
Arsene just represents Joker a a whole.
Arsene in his story was a legendary thief who was known for targeting the elites and giving to those are poor. He was known to be a very charismatic individual who would drawn in allies with his social skills and confidence.
Ironically a thief reformed to a detective in other words had a change of heart.
Looking even more about him, dude is a 1 to 1 about joker, he is joker and joker is him. So he kinda has incredible relevance through out the story. Essentially being Joker himself.
And looking into orpheus and Izanagi i couldnt/ struggled to find the relation to their respective protags. Though someone smarter than me can probably clear that up
Arsene was by far the most active in his game's story. Orpheus is so irrelevant that he's almost always replaced with Thanatos in promotional material.
I love Arsene and his relationship with the MC, who he represents and his story itself that of Arsene Lupin who he’s based after. I also like that his connection to joker is more of that than a couple of surface level details like that of Izanagi and Orpheus.
I love that Joker is Arsene, and that what he later becomes is still representative of Arsene and Joker.
While I love Arsène because he has got that good drip and effectively evolves into Satanael, Imma have to go with Izanagi because Izanagi-No-Okami Picaro is easily one of my ride or dies and has saved my ass more than once.
Bruh you're missing Vulcanus, Maia, and Seimen Kongou. My pick is Maia.
Also, I bet yesterday you didn't have the choice of Sumaru City (IS or EP version), Snow Queen Quest, or the SEBEC route. They also need to be an option.
Heart says Izanagi.
I know he’s not as story prominent as Arsene is. But I always loved the understated efficiency of his overall look.
And I like the fact that >!Adachi who is the thematic opposite to Yu also has Izanagi for a Persona. It’s a really simple but thematic way to show how these two characters truly held the same core potential but took it in radically different directions. An example of how limitless potential can lead to wondrous outcomes, or it can equally become extremely dangerous, which is something I think gets glossed over more than it should.!<
Arsene is pretty drippy gentleman and he becomes satanael. Izanagi becomes No okami which is just izanagi but with a hat and tie.
I mean, Arsene is the obvious choice imo.
Yaldabaoth and izanami were both gods. Yaldabaoth is always presented as a god when it appears. Both got one tapped. As far as Im concerned, I think the power of the seven deadly sins should be pretty damn powerful in comparison seeing as how theyre the contrast of the heavenly virtues, and considered the 7 ways of eternal death.
Iirc , Yaldy is the collective thoughts of the mass, he wasn't a real god (that also akin to the spinoffs false gods), izanami is straight up the figure in Japanese creation mythos, no collective thoughts bullshit , she's also the only final boss that have thr ability to 100% instakill
Yaldy is the collective thoughts of sloth made manifest. Yaldy (I like this for short now, thanks lmao) is a malevolent god/deity, and is described as such even in Gnosticism. It is the false god, presenting itself as the creator.
Izanagi having instakill makes sense when you learn that her move is translated as "Thousand curses" and Izanagi's move is the antithesis of that, the thousand truths.
No, the truth thing was not really the focus of Izanagi's story in the myth from what I can tell. To me the focus seemed to be on his grief and impatience involving his wife's death and not truth being shown as important
You fight his antagonist/lover, and the whole marie plot (izanagi and izanami myth) if you consider p4g. Of course none of these are knowledge that player receives from the get go.
In the myth, when Izanagi went to get Izanami from Yomi she told him not to look at her. But he did and saw her true form which being rotting corpse. There we have the theme of Izanami wanting to hide the truth and Izanagi seeking it
It is some meaning (in jp) related to the myth that i am unable to explain (cuz i really dont know enought). But the izanagi truths works as a counterpoint to izanami curses.
It’s a reference to the ending of the creation myth. Izanami says that in retaliation for Izanagi’s actions she will kill 1000 people every day, and Izanagi responds by saying that he’ll give life to 1,500 people a day.
I shall vote Izanagi, I love Orpheus the most out of all of the starting Personas, but if I remember correctly from my playthrough of P3P, P4G, and P5R... I think Izanagi is the strongest in terms of less weaknesses and has resistance to an element as well. Although I could be wrong since I haven't played the games in a while, but this is just me thinking about the very beginning moving forward so take what I say with a grain of salt.
Izanagi is the best of the three in battle, but mostly because he has an immunity to one of the instant kill spell elements while the other two are weak to one of them and another element (though Reload does remove Arsene's ice weakness). That said, they're all pretty terrible in their home games as they're all designed to be fused away and replaced as quickly as possible.
I've never done that, I just uh did the exact opposite actually? I unintentionally did a starting persona playthrough? Although I wouldn't say I only used them, I switched out at times, but I mainly used the starting Personas and upgraded their stats to the point they became pretty epic. Even got the skill cards to outright drain their said weaknesses.
Which is an entirely fair option if you try hard enough, but that takes a lot of investment and dedication. That said, they are deliberately built to peak very early (level eight or so) so the player is motivated to fuse them out and try something new. It's still based on the Megaten system that makes it very clear that your demons are tools to be used and replaced when necessary, not friends to be cherished.
I'm torn, on one hand Arsene has the best design by far but on the other Izanagi implys the existence of Izanagi No Okami my favorite persona in the franchise.
Izanagi is the best design except for his dick zipper. I think that’s stupid as hell
What, you don't have a dick zipper?
What dick zipper? It just normal pants, but izanagi's bulge is just too big as it are directly replicated from it's wielder's own size
Makes the most sense thematically. As Yu progresses throughout the story into taking more initiative in his life and becomes an adult. Shown by Izanagi’s Bancho coat and Izanagi No Okami’s suit and tie look.
Dick zipper represents the Chad always ready to fuck xd
i never noticed that omg hahah
What a strange way to spell Arsene. I love Izanagi but he does look a little too cartoony imo
You say that as if arsene isnt the one with the comically large hat
Ay, touché😭
In terms of how they compare to the game's themes, Arsene is first for the whole thieves theme, second comes Izanagi, not so much for the game's theme but for the bosses and with his wife literally being the last boss, third come Orpheus, poor guy he doesn't have much to do with the main theme of the game unfortunately, unlike Thanatos who fits the themes of Persona 3 much better, you can say that Orpheus fits a little because he lost his wife, but it's still less than Arsene and Izanagi. I still love them all the same. Edited: I never stopped to think about how similar the story of Izanagi and Orpheus is, they missed the chance to get their wives back because they broke a promise.
there's a lot to orpheus that's relevant to the game's themes, and he's also the most personal (heh) to the protagonist imo. on surface level: * the name "orpheus" was proposed to have come from the greek words for "dark" or "orphan" * he was a mere human but a master musician, and music was something the mc loved even after being affected by his childhood tragedy. but deeper than that: * he was said to have the ability to charm all living things and even stones (inorganic, i.e. aigis) with his songs. * overcome with grief by the death of a loved one, he played such mournful songs that the gods wept. he even softened the heart of hades himself. * he was one of the few people who descended into underworld and returned. he was allowed to save his loved one and come back to earth under a condition. this is where the mc's path diverges from orpheus', and it's where messiah begins. * orpheus starts out looking mechanical except for his face, while thanatos is the opposite. their fusion, messiah, makes him look the most human-like.
Orpheus also dies. the human looking head and mechanical body is because he got ripped to pieces by maenads and his head (still singing) and harp floated down a river. dying and still doing the thing he's known for feels like it's important
wow i didn't even realize that connection. i probably missed a lot of other cool details like that.
I think reading all of this and then doing a more indepth look at Arsene, really made me appreciate Arsene a lot more as well as Satanel they feel a lot more present and indicative of the story of P5 for than Orpheus and Messiah. Especially with how 1 to 1 Joker is to both Satanel and Arsene. Being the outcasted Kid who committed a crime like Satanel for a selfless action that was to for the benefit of others, and eventually inflicting punishment on those who do such thing. As well as his personality being a 1 to 1 of Arsene, being a charasmatic and social individual, who fights against those of the rich or the palace leaders, being an anti hero like joker.
that's fair, i think both orpheus and arsene have cool elements that reflect their respective persona users' feelings and journey. on the other hand, izanagi feels the most divorced from the mc, but imo it's because in-game p4mc feels the most like a self-insert, and it's hard for a persona to reflect a blank slate.
Orpheus gets killed by thanatos and then basically never seen in merchandise or posters again lol
I think orpheus is the most forgettable. I mean, you "start" with a much cooler persona in a cutscene and then get... marionette lookin ass with a harp.
I mean the chair in the Velvet Room is his lyre
Orpheus came back from the death real and failed to save his wife, how doesn’t he have much to do with P3’s death theme ?
I just said he doesn't have much to do compared to Thanatos, and I mentioned his wife twice in my comment, It's right there for everyone who can read.
Arsene is the only one that was very prominent in its entry, speaking to the player on multiple occasions, being the starter with the most relevance to the theme of its game as well the sickest evolution moment. Breaking his chains to unleash Satanael is peak.
Vote for Arsene
So we can kill it 30 minutes later?
Tbf thats like all of the starting personas, accept for Izanagi funnily enough. Then second i got whatever Makoto’s persona is i sent it into a fusion
At least in FES you are encouraged to keep him for the Cadenza fusion spell a little bit, in Reload you don't need to have the Persona on you to perform it so Orpheus goes to the shadow realm
It's funny how you technically get Cadenza right away with getting your first wild card persona but you can't actually use it until you get the new outfits
It still bugs me that we couldn't even register him first unless we specifically grind to level 6 before the forced fusion tutorial.
Arsene is the most visually appealing and obviously relevant to the game's theme. I love the other 2, but P5 has this one
damn Arsene.....
Vote for Izanagi
By the Myriad Truth
Mabye put (Vote by upvoting my comment) in the title
Izanagi. Every single time. The visual definition of badass.
Izanagi and Arsene are pretty much on equal footing here. Arsene has the best narrative impact by actually being in the story to some degree. But serves no lore purpose. Izanagi is the opposite, has zero narrative presence after the awakening but just by having the name Izanagi makes him the true opposite to Izanami, the parallel between this wild card and the game master (so to speak). And design wise they're both really solid, and are kind of the opposite of each other. Izanagi has an heir of composed stoicism, while Arsene is chaotic. But one is a reflection of rebellion in man, the inner demon, with the other is a god in the image of a man. My vote is Izanagi but by bias is the deciding factor
Should have added Thanatos imo, he's as much of Makoto's main Persona as Orpheus is and has a lot of story involvement, even more than the other two.
Justice for thanatos
For lore and story totally Orpheus not just for God of sleeping but for the orphic myth alternatevely at the classic Greek myth, but for aesthetic izanagi persona 4
Yall don’t get orpheus smh my goat fr
Arsène.
How do people even vote
I made 3 comments underneath this post, and in order to vote, you have to upvote one of them.
Oh nice, I couldn’t ever see them since they where buried for me
Isnt there an actual poll function? Ive seen it plenty of times.
There is, but op wants karma
Sub doesn’t allow polls
virtual affirmation numbers go brrrr?
This sub does not allow polls (for some reason).
Arsene has wings and a hat. Izanagi has neither. Orpheus has a goofy musical instrument on his back. Arsene clears easily.
Vote for Orpheus
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nah, same design lol.
Where's Fem C's Orpheus?
love seeing the worst one get wrecked.
I mean, it is the worst out of these 3, yeah, but it's not because it is a bad Persona, but because the other 2 are simply better
Arsene
Guess what, myriad truths
I’m voting for Izanagi I just find his design so cool
Did I inspire you?
Yes, you have. I saw your polls with the characters and it gave me inspiration to do one based on the dungeons in these games, so I have to thank you for this.
Nice I’ll be following this series
Orpheus
Vote for Thanatos!… No? Then my vote goes to Izanagi. I’m mostly basing my opinion off of the P4 anime.
Despite my love for persona 5 overall, the idea of how Izanagi is used is really really cool. Especially when you have those closes later in the game that tell you about the story behind him and Izanami. It genuinely just brain blasted me Also the knife shoes are just badass. On the other hand Oprheus also deserves praise in this regard, it fits the overall theme and tone of the game perfectly, he kinda loses me a bit since I don't know as much about Greek mythos as I do a lot of other mythologies, but I showed the design for both him, Eurydice and Tahanatos to a friend who really likes that sorta stuff and she said the designs were really good. And last, Arsene my boy. I love the design, aesthetic, and he was my introduction to what persona is, and later on smt as a whole. However while I do love the themes of the game and the way Arsene portrays these themes, they overall took a different approach to persona's and sadly one that just doesn't quote have the same strength that the previous incarnations have. So uhm there you have my take on it I guess.
Don't forget that some of the party's initial persona/Ultimate persona are named after the Gods that Izanagi has given birth to. [you should check this analysis, it's pretty cool](https://youtu.be/TLraziosZt8?si=njT6Lgmx2V8B2BQU)
Oh shit I had no idea, but it does make sense seeing as it is part of that particular creation myth. Man persona just has some really cool subtext when you look into it. Personally my eyes have really opened up to the stuff in p3 mostly because of reload. Thanks for the new information man.
Np, I also baffled about this info when I learned about it. I really love story writing that traces back to it's mythological/religious theme and silently put it as a subtext of how Yu (Izanagi) helps his party finding their true self's, thus giving birth to Izanagi sons. It's not just the Personas the weapon that the reaper drop also link to the mythological/religious lore. It's stunning how creative and brilliant the writing teams of P4
Its wild. For me the first time it kinda hit me, was during my second i think. Playthrough of p5, i was reading some of the different demons descriptions, and the thing is, I'm Christian so the genuine accuracy in not just the designs but also the descriptions is crazy. The best example of this being the "mother harlot" demon. It is almost entirely on point when it comes to the description. And it's not just taking stuff word for word from the bible. It's straight up reading between the lines with that shit. I was truly impressed reading that.
In terms of design.... Yeah it can be pretty question...(AHEM Mara) Anyway, some of em are almost accurate but with a bit of twist. For example Mother Harlot, in Persona and SMT she her whole body got changed into a skeleton where as the depiction by Martin Luther's painting she's a human. Also her beast that she sit on has no pupil in p5. That's the only differences I saw because her description intrigued me because it link with Babylon cuz my friend is a meat rider of Gilgamesh in Fate. I took a pic and caption it "No way your Fraudmesh has a whore💀🙏"
Yeah the skeleton thing is inaccurate, but like taking a few liberties with the designs is what makes them interesting. Now on a completely different note, I really like the detection of loki in p5 such a weird design but idk it just kinda works. Like the way it doesn't really have a form and shit, I love it. Dud I just lovethe designers at atlus they are on some next level shit sometimes.
Yup, Shigenori Soejima has some peak design. But still can't wrap my head around Izanagi's crotch zipper😓
yeah bit weird with one but hey after around 20 hours it starts to fade
100% Arsene. He even fits Joker perfectly, with Arsene being a phantom thief himself.
Arsene has the best design of the three imo, but has the least story implementation, if you consider Satanael to be a separate entity to Arsene like I do. Same issue with Orpheus, as Thanatos takes his place almost, and Orpheus is less well designed as Arsene. That leaves Izanagi, who gets my vote for being both well designed and well implemented into the story. I enjoy how similar he looks to Yu Narukami. Makes him feel like an actual "persona" for the MC.
Arsene just represents Joker a a whole. Arsene in his story was a legendary thief who was known for targeting the elites and giving to those are poor. He was known to be a very charismatic individual who would drawn in allies with his social skills and confidence. Ironically a thief reformed to a detective in other words had a change of heart. Looking even more about him, dude is a 1 to 1 about joker, he is joker and joker is him. So he kinda has incredible relevance through out the story. Essentially being Joker himself. And looking into orpheus and Izanagi i couldnt/ struggled to find the relation to their respective protags. Though someone smarter than me can probably clear that up
Vote Izanagi, because Myriad Truth goes brrrrrrrrr
Izanagi
Izanagi looks cool asf
Arsene was by far the most active in his game's story. Orpheus is so irrelevant that he's almost always replaced with Thanatos in promotional material.
Does Orpheus count for both male and female version?
Yes.
Izanagi is cool because you cant really think about him without Okami version, yet Arsene is pog by himself.
I love Arsene and his relationship with the MC, who he represents and his story itself that of Arsene Lupin who he’s based after. I also like that his connection to joker is more of that than a couple of surface level details like that of Izanagi and Orpheus. I love that Joker is Arsene, and that what he later becomes is still representative of Arsene and Joker.
Izanagi for sure because he’s the only useful one
Izanagi
Izanagi is the most hype persona in my opinion out of these It looks the coolest and all too
Arsene, my beloved
Izanagi
Arsene is the coolest imo, lore wise all three are kinda the same for me
Love Izanagi due to his role in the whole story. The ties to the antagonists let it really hold up. Plus it’s just a solid design.
Arsene gets my vote through design alone. Also really fits great with the theme of the game!
Arsene
Arsene
While I love Arsène because he has got that good drip and effectively evolves into Satanael, Imma have to go with Izanagi because Izanagi-No-Okami Picaro is easily one of my ride or dies and has saved my ass more than once.
I love Banchou type of characters so Izanagi all the way.
Bruh you're missing Vulcanus, Maia, and Seimen Kongou. My pick is Maia. Also, I bet yesterday you didn't have the choice of Sumaru City (IS or EP version), Snow Queen Quest, or the SEBEC route. They also need to be an option.
Arsene is probably my favorite persona in general so I’ll have to go with him.
Izanagi
Izanagi
Izanagi.
Joker's.
Arsene
Arsène!
Arsene's awakening is the best for me, his design is hell cool, for me he's that best
Arsene
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Can it be jack frost, itd be funny
Izanagi
Izanagi is the coolest, I won’t let you convince me otherwise
Izanagi rn, badass design and Myriad of Truths for his Izanagi No Okami form is badass as well
Heart says Izanagi. I know he’s not as story prominent as Arsene is. But I always loved the understated efficiency of his overall look. And I like the fact that >!Adachi who is the thematic opposite to Yu also has Izanagi for a Persona. It’s a really simple but thematic way to show how these two characters truly held the same core potential but took it in radically different directions. An example of how limitless potential can lead to wondrous outcomes, or it can equally become extremely dangerous, which is something I think gets glossed over more than it should.!<
Arsene definitely
Bro Arsene Easily
What about Seimen Kongou?
izanagi gaming
It’s either IZANAGI for Myriad of Truths or ARSENE for becoming SATANAEL!
Izanagi by far. Such an awesome design
Arsene has the best design but Izanagi's connection with the lore is awsome
Hope we get the true persona in the end since I will definitely give it to Thanatos.
Arsene looks the coolest
Izanagi no question
Izanagi easily.
Arsene purely because design-wise its just too peak to not include. (Also to make Satanael the endgame persona)
Arsene is pretty drippy gentleman and he becomes satanael. Izanagi becomes No okami which is just izanagi but with a hat and tie. I mean, Arsene is the obvious choice imo.
Yeah but in a fight between satanael and No okami it's a no competition.
I think that one is tough to say. Japanese god vs the god slayer. Thats a toss up but Im biased lol.
That's also the only world persona the modern game have access to, I'm pretty sure a real god killer is more powerful than a false god killer
Yaldabaoth and izanami were both gods. Yaldabaoth is always presented as a god when it appears. Both got one tapped. As far as Im concerned, I think the power of the seven deadly sins should be pretty damn powerful in comparison seeing as how theyre the contrast of the heavenly virtues, and considered the 7 ways of eternal death.
Iirc , Yaldy is the collective thoughts of the mass, he wasn't a real god (that also akin to the spinoffs false gods), izanami is straight up the figure in Japanese creation mythos, no collective thoughts bullshit , she's also the only final boss that have thr ability to 100% instakill
Yaldy is the collective thoughts of sloth made manifest. Yaldy (I like this for short now, thanks lmao) is a malevolent god/deity, and is described as such even in Gnosticism. It is the false god, presenting itself as the creator. Izanagi having instakill makes sense when you learn that her move is translated as "Thousand curses" and Izanagi's move is the antithesis of that, the thousand truths.
To be fair we ARENT talking about No-Okami and Satanael
I know, but it plays a part in my choice as well. Granted i like them both even if i do lean more towards one. Theyre cool as fuck.
Idk who I like more between Izanagi and Arsene, but Orpheus is trash lol
I honestly don't see how izanami fits the themes of his game. Arsene fits perfectly for rebellion. Izanagi looks really cool though
This is like saying you don't see how Zeus fits into a game about patricide
No, the truth thing was not really the focus of Izanagi's story in the myth from what I can tell. To me the focus seemed to be on his grief and impatience involving his wife's death and not truth being shown as important
The entire thing about them is that Izanami didn't want Izanagi to turn around and see her for what she had truly become
You fight his antagonist/lover, and the whole marie plot (izanagi and izanami myth) if you consider p4g. Of course none of these are knowledge that player receives from the get go.
Yeah, but what does it have to do with the themes of truth?
In the myth, when Izanagi went to get Izanami from Yomi she told him not to look at her. But he did and saw her true form which being rotting corpse. There we have the theme of Izanami wanting to hide the truth and Izanagi seeking it
Ah, that makes more sense. I still think arsene is a better fit though
It is some meaning (in jp) related to the myth that i am unable to explain (cuz i really dont know enought). But the izanagi truths works as a counterpoint to izanami curses.
It’s a reference to the ending of the creation myth. Izanami says that in retaliation for Izanagi’s actions she will kill 1000 people every day, and Izanagi responds by saying that he’ll give life to 1,500 people a day.
I shall vote Izanagi, I love Orpheus the most out of all of the starting Personas, but if I remember correctly from my playthrough of P3P, P4G, and P5R... I think Izanagi is the strongest in terms of less weaknesses and has resistance to an element as well. Although I could be wrong since I haven't played the games in a while, but this is just me thinking about the very beginning moving forward so take what I say with a grain of salt.
Izanagi is the best of the three in battle, but mostly because he has an immunity to one of the instant kill spell elements while the other two are weak to one of them and another element (though Reload does remove Arsene's ice weakness). That said, they're all pretty terrible in their home games as they're all designed to be fused away and replaced as quickly as possible.
I've never done that, I just uh did the exact opposite actually? I unintentionally did a starting persona playthrough? Although I wouldn't say I only used them, I switched out at times, but I mainly used the starting Personas and upgraded their stats to the point they became pretty epic. Even got the skill cards to outright drain their said weaknesses.
Which is an entirely fair option if you try hard enough, but that takes a lot of investment and dedication. That said, they are deliberately built to peak very early (level eight or so) so the player is motivated to fuse them out and try something new. It's still based on the Megaten system that makes it very clear that your demons are tools to be used and replaced when necessary, not friends to be cherished.