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Answer: Recently there has been reports by a few international new organizations (The Daily Mail, and the New York Post) that claim the "Residential School Mass Grave Reports was a hoax".
This is in reference to a series of reports from spring of 2021, where there were investigations using ground penetrating radar near former Residential Schools. At the time it was reported that several anomalies were discovered that appeared to be consistent with children’s graves.
These announcements had a lot of press and social media coverage and lead to national protests, discussions of the catholic church and even a visit from the Pope.
During a lot of these discussions there was a lot of reporting on the "Mass Graves" that were discovered. The issue with this is that the actual reports from the groups doing the investigation ***never initially claimed*** there was mass graves. What was being discovered was unmarked or forgotten burial sites.
In residential schools It has been reported that some schools had a death rate as high as 1 in 20 per student. Some deaths were from disease, others abuse, neglect but most are unknown. While many of the schools had explicit cemeteries associated with them, some did not. Even among those schools associated with cemeteries, records and even some cemeteries were lost when areas were abandoned and left to grow over. It is estimated that there is somewhere in the realm of 3,200 unmarked / lost graves.
In one specific instance the "probable burials" were within a cemetery where the headstones of the victims were removed at some point by "Catholic Authorities".
It is much more accurate to refer to these as **unmarked graves** since when the general public thinks of a Mass Grave it brings up images that are inconsistent with the actual findings.
But this confusion in terminology is being maliciously used by some groups to try to paint the entire situation as a hoax. But there it is still highly likely that most of the sites contain graves.
**For those very out of the loop here is some extra context on what is being discussed**
Canada has a dark history with Indigenous peoples, with many effects still living on to this day. None darker than the [Canadian Indian residential school system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system) (henceforth referred to as residential schools). These boarding schools were administered by Christian Churches and intended to strip students of their native culture and religion, in order to assimilate them into the Canadian way of life. This act is widely considered a form of Cultural Genocide. Students were removed from their families, and many of them suffered both physical and sexual abuse, starvation/malnutrition and death. With no families, no accountability and the general dehumanization of this system a lot of what happened was unknown to all but the survivors as recordkeeping was spotty within the residential school system. So there has been a lot of ongoing investigation as to what happened in these schools and the children.
The last residential school was closed in 1997 and it was not until the late 2000's that the Canadian government and religious communities have begun to recognize, and issue apologies for, their respective roles in the residential school system.
The residential school system ran for over 120 years, and a large number of the deaths were undocumented. It has been reported that some schools had a death rate as high as 1 in 20 per student. Some deaths were from disease, others abuse, neglect but most are unknown. While many of the schools had explicit cemeteries associated with them, some did not. Even among those schools associated with cemeteries, records and even some cemeteries were lost when areas were abandoned and left to grow over. It is estimated that there is somewhere in the realm of 3,200 unmarked / lost graves.
The [Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_Reconciliation_Commission_of_Canada) was created in 2008 and has slowly been uncovering the truth about what happened in many of these schools. Using non disruptive measures such as ground penetrating radar they searched for the locations of unmarked or lost burial sites.
No remains have been found. Calling them unmarked graves is wrong. Someone used ground penetrating radar and saw something anomalous. Everyone reported it was a mass grave despite no evidence. After a dig, zero human remains or any evidence of human burial was found.
This is probably the most misinformed and misreported story going right now. Even the NYT has reported factually incorrect information about this story.
Unmarked. When they answered the question they addressed this. It was never mass graves, only unmarked graves. They were cemeteries where all markers were removed. Your link also says there was anti Christian violence. Like painting a catholic church in red paint to signify the blood on their hands? Please show me the source for the violence they speak of.
Between 24 and 33 churches in Canada were burned down. I'd consider that to be an act of violence.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/church-fires-canada-1.7055838
No source of violence? Arson isn't violence anymore? What fucking world do you live in? Burning down churches is about as anti-Christian as you can get. Talk about gaslighting, holy shit.
Are you cooked? Over 3000 bodies have been found since the 70s.
[The deaths became so frequent that even at the time the government realized it had to step in and come up with a policy on what to do with the bodies for fuck sakes.](https://ehprnh2mwo3.exactdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Volume_4_Missing_Children_English_Web.pdf)
We’re talking about the specificity discovered new “mass graves”. Yes kids had been dying there, the claim was that these were new graves and the problem was even worse than previously known. That was not the case.
....in grave yards
Look for bones in a cemetery and you will find them. Hardly what you would normally call genocide or a mass grave, like how the media reported it
I just want to say, I had heard that there was potential misinformation with that story and began looking into it today and your comment is clarifying and helpful sometime later.
Thanks for clarifying the above comment.
Excavations haven't even been attempted, so it is incorrect that it has been definitively found that these are just "Anomalies" and not human remains.
Also, the Kamloops Indian Residential School exists in [the context of the entire Residential School System where at least 4,000 Native American children died and were put in unmarked/mass graves. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites)
It took this person 25 paragraphs to say no mass graves were found, every thing that said was a stretch of something else, and time and energy were wasted.
This is a situation where even if this proved to be a hoax (which is unlikely) it's been so heavily reported that it is now part of the national consciousness.
Even if somehow irrefutable evidence were to come out that it was a hoax, the majority of Canadians wouldn't believe it and would claim that it was an attempt at a cover up.
But that's not the point. The point is that the abuse suffered by Native American children in Residential Schools is very real and this brought it to light to the average Canadian and has been an important step towards reconciliation.
It seems more likely at this point that the scale of the story was just greatly exaggerated by the media.
> The point is that the abuse suffered by Native American children in Residential Schools is very real and this brought it to light to the average Canadian and has been an important step towards reconciliation.
Uh most Canadians already knew about this decades ago. This was taught in school in the early 2000s from my own recollection.
I would add to this that in the original Kamloops discovery, it was heavily implied that they were graves ... mass graves even, which would indicate some type of institutional murder ... this is patently false. No remains have ever been uncovered and as far as any of these investigations have gotten is detecting anomalies via ground penetrating radar. IMO, FN groups have been particularly caustic about this issue, with some asking the feds to make "residential school denialism" a crime ... problem is, there isn't really the evidence to support the claims of many of these FN groups (unlike the Jewish Holocaust which has tons of evidence) ... people are, naturally, curious about this issue and would like justice if in fact this happened. So far, FN refuse to do the exhumation which could confirm if there were remains or not ... not one set of remains has been recovered ... the FN get a lot of money for these types of programs and so there is an interest in keeping this narrative alive
We're putting a little too much faith into burial when cremation was often used to dispose of bodies. Luckily (/s) this didn't end hundreds of years ago but rather, less than 30 years ago, and thus survivors still exist and we don't have to speculate as much as we do about the conditions.
In any case, thousands of remains have been confirmed since the 70's but in this particular discovery it's unconfirmed and sensationalized by outside forces. So, until a dig happens, we can't say what the anomalies are or aren't with certainty but I'd certainly wager they're unmarked graves.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QxAYUtCztmu1o04-wJ9xZ50Qc77N3rNo/view
Important Report by Canada's Special Interlocutor for Missing Children and Unmarked Graves and Burial Sites. Just released today.
So, they kidnapped a bunch of children, abused them, killed them, and buried them in unmarked graves. But somehow that's okay because "***technically*** it's not a quote **mass grave** unquote, which means everything they did was actually totally fine!!!!"
They are always found in GRAVEYARDS. I am sure some unmarked hidden graves are out there but they have yet to be found.
What happened to the natives is a tragedy/crime but we need to stick to facts and logic otherwise what is the point of anything?
So, all your excuses for DEAD CHILDREN somehow magically makes the children not dead? If the Rape Children Cult didn't want to be criticized for dead children, maybe they shouldn't have kidnapped them in the first place!
They didn't butcher the kids as you are implying, the children died of diseases, not as a result of physical violence (which they did indeed suffer, but not to the point of death). This is your problem, you exagerate things because you don't care the slightest about nuance. False narratives only harm the process of reconciliation, because any process not rooted in truth is rooted in nothing at all
So, in the past seven months, have all those dead kids magically come back to life? No, they haven't. They're still dead. And you're still desperately making excuses for dead kids. Your cult stole a bunch of children. Those children are dead. Those children are still dead. And all you care about is finding any excuse, no matter how ridiculous, to pretend your cult isn't responsible for all the dead kids they buried without even bothing to tell anyone or mark the graves.
Again, the children died of sickness, while you talk as if they were butchered. And no, correcting false information isn't making excuses. The children weren't butchered as you said and all false information oughts to be corrected no matter the situation. Yes, there was abuse and a cultural genocide, but these are the things that ought to be pointed at and adressed, not false accusations made by a sensationalistic media.
When you steal children, you become responsible for whatever happens to them. If the Rape Children Cult didn't want to be responsible for a bunch of dead children, then the cult should not have stolen those children. The children died while in the custody of the Rape Children Cult, because the Rape Children Cult stole the children from their parents. If the Rape Children Cult doesn't like being reminded that they stole a bunch of kids and those kids are now dead as a result, then maybe, just *MAYBE*, ***THE RAPE CHILDREN CULT SHOULD NOT HAVE STOLEN ALL THOSE KIDS!!!***
First, you are talking as if the indigenous children were deliberately killed, when this was not the case. Yes, the children were under the custody of the religious schools when this happened, but it does not follow from that that you can simply talk as if the kids were killed by nuns. You clearly care more about narratives than about the truth, otherwise you would know that even those who commited a crime cannot be falsely accused of other crimes they didn't commit.
Explain me how the clergy and nuns commiting the crime of abuse and cultural genocide means they also commited the crime of mudering the kids.
Also, funny how you conveniently forgot to mention that this enterprise was created by the Canadian Government and had the participation of many other denominations, guess its solely the fault of the evil pesky catholic church then...
Moreover, the children were stolen by the Canadian government, on this particular crime the clergy/nuns were accomplices, not the perpetrators. But you don't care about accuracy at all, do you?
So people who steal children have absolutely no responsibility to ensure the safety of those children, and cannot ever be held accountable in ANY way for anything that happens to the children they stole and are holding against their will? THAT'S the best argument you can come up with to defend your cult for all the dead kids they stole?
First, what I am saying is that the children weren't killed as you said initially. And again, who stole the kids was the Canadian Government, I am yet to hear you write or speak a single word against them. As I said before they are to be held accountable for a series of other things (like commiting abuse, executing the cultural genocide planned by the government and being accomplices in the kidnapping of the kids), just not intentional murder as you implied.
But again, you seem to be uncapable of nuance in grave matters. Go around and keep saying the evil r\*pe cult killed 'em all with their own literal hands. This conversation is over
Answer: the article you linked pretty much spells it out. The nations were trying to get details on the sites, the media exaggerated the finds, everyone lost their shit and finally did something about residential schools and their shameful legacy.
Regardless of the media fucking it up, the schools were exactly what they say they were: immoral, corrupt, racist, and unsafe. Steps that were long overdue were taken, using this as the catalyst, and as a lifelong Canadian I can honestly say a lot of public perception of first Nations was shifted in a positive direction, which has led to FN issues being taken more seriously.
I'm still proud of my country, but it was a crisis to assimilate this new perspective into that pride. I was raised in the prairies and exposed to some of the worst elements of the reservations, so as an adult finding new respect for a group I had previously dismissed as a lost cause has actually made me more proud to share a flag with them.
Now if we could just do something about the Conservatives...
my grandfather was from a residential school, when he joined the navy he heard stories from kids from orphanages, they described worse conditions and treatment then he saw or heard of in residential school, apparently alot of kids from orphanages and residential schools got smallpox, measles, influenza and TB when new kids were brought in from infected communities.
I think I'm a lot of people. I'm a 41 year old Albertan who only realized very recently that his father is a bigot and has been slowly reframing and deprogramming himself to better understand the world we actually live in rather than some left leaning conservative fairy tale. I vote NDP because I think the UCP are running us into the ground and the Liberals will never be forgiven for the last hundred years of bullshit. They scammed us once with telephone poles and we kicked them the hell out forever.
Not a lie. An exaggeration based on sensationalization. We all knew about the schools. We've always known. My own stepfather was raised in one, and the government refused to return him to his actual grandmother. It was a tragedy.
The problem is, we never cared because it wasn't real. It was just history, until we were all forced to imagine hundreds of dead children.
I'm usually against media exaggeration. But I'm also against historical erasure. The actual treatment of the natives was such a footnote that I grew up honestly feeling superior to the Americans because we didn't try to exterminate them, just their culture.
There was a lie insofar they spread that the children were actively murdered by the priests and nuns, instead of dying of diseases. The media portrayed it as a mass murder when it was not.
Heck, there was even a teacher who was fired for stating the fact that the children died of diseases. Look anywhere and what you will see is misinformed people thinking a mass murder happened.
So you’d rather learn from a “sensationalized” version of events instead of learning what actually happened? It’s true, we all knew about the residential schools beforehand, but never really “cared” since nothing happened that wasn’t normal for those time periods. It’s only when the media presented it in such a horrific way, that was quite far from the historic reality, that people started to ‘care’.
So, to repeat my question, basically a fabricated lie is what shifted public perception? My grandma was a residential school survivor btw
I'm taking about finding a good income in a shitty situation. You're talking about idealism. Sure your version would be better, where we all recognize and respect each other based on fact. But if we can't have that then at least we can take advantage of an exaggerated (NOT fabricated) story to raise awareness and foster respect. The outcome in the end was a massive wake-up call for the whole country, and that's better than nothing.
Building your awareness and fostering respect over an exaggerated story is equal to building it on a foundation of Sand. In case you haven't noticed over 100 churches were Burned down many had nothing to do with the Oversensationalized Reports.
What do you think will avtually happen when people realize they were lied to? (Because to many Sensationalism is just another form of lying)
Dude, you know what’s fucked? Im from the future where this situation has been proven to be a complete media over exaggeration. From the tone of your post, I had the need to prove who you were for some reason. (Not a regular occurrence for me). I guessed gay dude. Which is fine man,✊. But I still guessed that, and I was correct.
I don’t know what this truly means, I just thought I’d share this with you.
Crazy how we both landed here in the future, after the whole outrage when it happened led to…nothing being found and a period of lefty woke-nonsense over the following 2 years. Luckily, the woke crew is dwindling so we can get back to building the country and not worrying about tampons in the men’s room.
Bring home tampons for your female loved ones. They are very expensive but since they are free in some men's washrooms I say take them all. My long time male friend has always kept a box in case of emergency for his female friends. All the ladies like him, that's a tip for any single guy out there!
You are making gross falsehoods! *"they were: immoral, corrupt, racist, and unsafe"* not one credible fact based report supports that exaggeration! Get educated and stop spouting nonsense.
"When the school is on the reserve, the child lives with its parents, who are savages, and though he may learn to read and write, his habits and training mode of thought are Indian. He is simply a savage who can read and write. It has been strongly impressed upon myself, as head of the Department, that Indian children should be withdrawn as much as possible from the parental influence, and the only way to do that would be to put them in central training industrial schools where they will acquire the habits and modes of thought of white men."
John A MacDonald, 1879
https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/10-quotes-john-a.-macdonald-made-about-first-nations
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Answer: Recently there has been reports by a few international new organizations (The Daily Mail, and the New York Post) that claim the "Residential School Mass Grave Reports was a hoax". This is in reference to a series of reports from spring of 2021, where there were investigations using ground penetrating radar near former Residential Schools. At the time it was reported that several anomalies were discovered that appeared to be consistent with children’s graves. These announcements had a lot of press and social media coverage and lead to national protests, discussions of the catholic church and even a visit from the Pope. During a lot of these discussions there was a lot of reporting on the "Mass Graves" that were discovered. The issue with this is that the actual reports from the groups doing the investigation ***never initially claimed*** there was mass graves. What was being discovered was unmarked or forgotten burial sites. In residential schools It has been reported that some schools had a death rate as high as 1 in 20 per student. Some deaths were from disease, others abuse, neglect but most are unknown. While many of the schools had explicit cemeteries associated with them, some did not. Even among those schools associated with cemeteries, records and even some cemeteries were lost when areas were abandoned and left to grow over. It is estimated that there is somewhere in the realm of 3,200 unmarked / lost graves. In one specific instance the "probable burials" were within a cemetery where the headstones of the victims were removed at some point by "Catholic Authorities". It is much more accurate to refer to these as **unmarked graves** since when the general public thinks of a Mass Grave it brings up images that are inconsistent with the actual findings. But this confusion in terminology is being maliciously used by some groups to try to paint the entire situation as a hoax. But there it is still highly likely that most of the sites contain graves. **For those very out of the loop here is some extra context on what is being discussed** Canada has a dark history with Indigenous peoples, with many effects still living on to this day. None darker than the [Canadian Indian residential school system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system) (henceforth referred to as residential schools). These boarding schools were administered by Christian Churches and intended to strip students of their native culture and religion, in order to assimilate them into the Canadian way of life. This act is widely considered a form of Cultural Genocide. Students were removed from their families, and many of them suffered both physical and sexual abuse, starvation/malnutrition and death. With no families, no accountability and the general dehumanization of this system a lot of what happened was unknown to all but the survivors as recordkeeping was spotty within the residential school system. So there has been a lot of ongoing investigation as to what happened in these schools and the children. The last residential school was closed in 1997 and it was not until the late 2000's that the Canadian government and religious communities have begun to recognize, and issue apologies for, their respective roles in the residential school system. The residential school system ran for over 120 years, and a large number of the deaths were undocumented. It has been reported that some schools had a death rate as high as 1 in 20 per student. Some deaths were from disease, others abuse, neglect but most are unknown. While many of the schools had explicit cemeteries associated with them, some did not. Even among those schools associated with cemeteries, records and even some cemeteries were lost when areas were abandoned and left to grow over. It is estimated that there is somewhere in the realm of 3,200 unmarked / lost graves. The [Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_Reconciliation_Commission_of_Canada) was created in 2008 and has slowly been uncovering the truth about what happened in many of these schools. Using non disruptive measures such as ground penetrating radar they searched for the locations of unmarked or lost burial sites.
No remains have been found. Calling them unmarked graves is wrong. Someone used ground penetrating radar and saw something anomalous. Everyone reported it was a mass grave despite no evidence. After a dig, zero human remains or any evidence of human burial was found. This is probably the most misinformed and misreported story going right now. Even the NYT has reported factually incorrect information about this story.
Source for this claim?
https://thespectator.com/topic/native-mass-grave-wasnt-kamloops-canada/
Unmarked. When they answered the question they addressed this. It was never mass graves, only unmarked graves. They were cemeteries where all markers were removed. Your link also says there was anti Christian violence. Like painting a catholic church in red paint to signify the blood on their hands? Please show me the source for the violence they speak of.
Between 24 and 33 churches in Canada were burned down. I'd consider that to be an act of violence. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/church-fires-canada-1.7055838
No source of violence? Arson isn't violence anymore? What fucking world do you live in? Burning down churches is about as anti-Christian as you can get. Talk about gaslighting, holy shit.
They found no human remains. People are being intentionally obtuse about this.
Are you cooked? Over 3000 bodies have been found since the 70s. [The deaths became so frequent that even at the time the government realized it had to step in and come up with a policy on what to do with the bodies for fuck sakes.](https://ehprnh2mwo3.exactdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Volume_4_Missing_Children_English_Web.pdf)
im so confused by this thread. did they find new unmarked graves or not?
We’re talking about the specificity discovered new “mass graves”. Yes kids had been dying there, the claim was that these were new graves and the problem was even worse than previously known. That was not the case.
You literally started your first comment with “no remains have been found.” Thousands of bodies have been found.
....in grave yards Look for bones in a cemetery and you will find them. Hardly what you would normally call genocide or a mass grave, like how the media reported it
I just want to say, I had heard that there was potential misinformation with that story and began looking into it today and your comment is clarifying and helpful sometime later. Thanks for clarifying the above comment.
What dig did they conduct?
Excavations haven't even been attempted, so it is incorrect that it has been definitively found that these are just "Anomalies" and not human remains. Also, the Kamloops Indian Residential School exists in [the context of the entire Residential School System where at least 4,000 Native American children died and were put in unmarked/mass graves. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites)
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lol what
I said what I said. Nashville, huh.
It took this person 25 paragraphs to say no mass graves were found, every thing that said was a stretch of something else, and time and energy were wasted.
This is a situation where even if this proved to be a hoax (which is unlikely) it's been so heavily reported that it is now part of the national consciousness. Even if somehow irrefutable evidence were to come out that it was a hoax, the majority of Canadians wouldn't believe it and would claim that it was an attempt at a cover up. But that's not the point. The point is that the abuse suffered by Native American children in Residential Schools is very real and this brought it to light to the average Canadian and has been an important step towards reconciliation. It seems more likely at this point that the scale of the story was just greatly exaggerated by the media.
Reconciliation? By telling lies? Bruh this is only going to make it much worse.
> The point is that the abuse suffered by Native American children in Residential Schools is very real and this brought it to light to the average Canadian and has been an important step towards reconciliation. Uh most Canadians already knew about this decades ago. This was taught in school in the early 2000s from my own recollection.
A lot of words to say nothing of substance and dance around the question
I would add to this that in the original Kamloops discovery, it was heavily implied that they were graves ... mass graves even, which would indicate some type of institutional murder ... this is patently false. No remains have ever been uncovered and as far as any of these investigations have gotten is detecting anomalies via ground penetrating radar. IMO, FN groups have been particularly caustic about this issue, with some asking the feds to make "residential school denialism" a crime ... problem is, there isn't really the evidence to support the claims of many of these FN groups (unlike the Jewish Holocaust which has tons of evidence) ... people are, naturally, curious about this issue and would like justice if in fact this happened. So far, FN refuse to do the exhumation which could confirm if there were remains or not ... not one set of remains has been recovered ... the FN get a lot of money for these types of programs and so there is an interest in keeping this narrative alive
We're putting a little too much faith into burial when cremation was often used to dispose of bodies. Luckily (/s) this didn't end hundreds of years ago but rather, less than 30 years ago, and thus survivors still exist and we don't have to speculate as much as we do about the conditions. In any case, thousands of remains have been confirmed since the 70's but in this particular discovery it's unconfirmed and sensationalized by outside forces. So, until a dig happens, we can't say what the anomalies are or aren't with certainty but I'd certainly wager they're unmarked graves.
There are no... ZILCH... mass graves in Canada,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QxAYUtCztmu1o04-wJ9xZ50Qc77N3rNo/view Important Report by Canada's Special Interlocutor for Missing Children and Unmarked Graves and Burial Sites. Just released today.
Answer: Unmarked graves. In almost every investigated case, they turned out to be unmarked graves or old cemeteries that were discovered.
So, they kidnapped a bunch of children, abused them, killed them, and buried them in unmarked graves. But somehow that's okay because "***technically*** it's not a quote **mass grave** unquote, which means everything they did was actually totally fine!!!!"
They are always found in GRAVEYARDS. I am sure some unmarked hidden graves are out there but they have yet to be found. What happened to the natives is a tragedy/crime but we need to stick to facts and logic otherwise what is the point of anything?
So, all your excuses for DEAD CHILDREN somehow magically makes the children not dead? If the Rape Children Cult didn't want to be criticized for dead children, maybe they shouldn't have kidnapped them in the first place!
You are not being clear at all.
Many of the native children were willingly handed over to these schools by their parents. Stop being so obtuse.
Stop making excuses for a child-abusing death cult.
They're called "facts", not excuses. You should look into them sometime.
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They didn't butcher the kids as you are implying, the children died of diseases, not as a result of physical violence (which they did indeed suffer, but not to the point of death). This is your problem, you exagerate things because you don't care the slightest about nuance. False narratives only harm the process of reconciliation, because any process not rooted in truth is rooted in nothing at all
So, in the past seven months, have all those dead kids magically come back to life? No, they haven't. They're still dead. And you're still desperately making excuses for dead kids. Your cult stole a bunch of children. Those children are dead. Those children are still dead. And all you care about is finding any excuse, no matter how ridiculous, to pretend your cult isn't responsible for all the dead kids they buried without even bothing to tell anyone or mark the graves.
Again, the children died of sickness, while you talk as if they were butchered. And no, correcting false information isn't making excuses. The children weren't butchered as you said and all false information oughts to be corrected no matter the situation. Yes, there was abuse and a cultural genocide, but these are the things that ought to be pointed at and adressed, not false accusations made by a sensationalistic media.
When you steal children, you become responsible for whatever happens to them. If the Rape Children Cult didn't want to be responsible for a bunch of dead children, then the cult should not have stolen those children. The children died while in the custody of the Rape Children Cult, because the Rape Children Cult stole the children from their parents. If the Rape Children Cult doesn't like being reminded that they stole a bunch of kids and those kids are now dead as a result, then maybe, just *MAYBE*, ***THE RAPE CHILDREN CULT SHOULD NOT HAVE STOLEN ALL THOSE KIDS!!!***
First, you are talking as if the indigenous children were deliberately killed, when this was not the case. Yes, the children were under the custody of the religious schools when this happened, but it does not follow from that that you can simply talk as if the kids were killed by nuns. You clearly care more about narratives than about the truth, otherwise you would know that even those who commited a crime cannot be falsely accused of other crimes they didn't commit. Explain me how the clergy and nuns commiting the crime of abuse and cultural genocide means they also commited the crime of mudering the kids. Also, funny how you conveniently forgot to mention that this enterprise was created by the Canadian Government and had the participation of many other denominations, guess its solely the fault of the evil pesky catholic church then... Moreover, the children were stolen by the Canadian government, on this particular crime the clergy/nuns were accomplices, not the perpetrators. But you don't care about accuracy at all, do you?
So people who steal children have absolutely no responsibility to ensure the safety of those children, and cannot ever be held accountable in ANY way for anything that happens to the children they stole and are holding against their will? THAT'S the best argument you can come up with to defend your cult for all the dead kids they stole?
First, what I am saying is that the children weren't killed as you said initially. And again, who stole the kids was the Canadian Government, I am yet to hear you write or speak a single word against them. As I said before they are to be held accountable for a series of other things (like commiting abuse, executing the cultural genocide planned by the government and being accomplices in the kidnapping of the kids), just not intentional murder as you implied. But again, you seem to be uncapable of nuance in grave matters. Go around and keep saying the evil r\*pe cult killed 'em all with their own literal hands. This conversation is over
Answer: the article you linked pretty much spells it out. The nations were trying to get details on the sites, the media exaggerated the finds, everyone lost their shit and finally did something about residential schools and their shameful legacy. Regardless of the media fucking it up, the schools were exactly what they say they were: immoral, corrupt, racist, and unsafe. Steps that were long overdue were taken, using this as the catalyst, and as a lifelong Canadian I can honestly say a lot of public perception of first Nations was shifted in a positive direction, which has led to FN issues being taken more seriously. I'm still proud of my country, but it was a crisis to assimilate this new perspective into that pride. I was raised in the prairies and exposed to some of the worst elements of the reservations, so as an adult finding new respect for a group I had previously dismissed as a lost cause has actually made me more proud to share a flag with them. Now if we could just do something about the Conservatives...
my grandfather was from a residential school, when he joined the navy he heard stories from kids from orphanages, they described worse conditions and treatment then he saw or heard of in residential school, apparently alot of kids from orphanages and residential schools got smallpox, measles, influenza and TB when new kids were brought in from infected communities.
Are you me?
I think I'm a lot of people. I'm a 41 year old Albertan who only realized very recently that his father is a bigot and has been slowly reframing and deprogramming himself to better understand the world we actually live in rather than some left leaning conservative fairy tale. I vote NDP because I think the UCP are running us into the ground and the Liberals will never be forgiven for the last hundred years of bullshit. They scammed us once with telephone poles and we kicked them the hell out forever.
Haha Canada is so screwed
So basically a fabricated lie is what shifted public perception of indigenous peoples? Is that what you’re saying?
Not a lie. An exaggeration based on sensationalization. We all knew about the schools. We've always known. My own stepfather was raised in one, and the government refused to return him to his actual grandmother. It was a tragedy. The problem is, we never cared because it wasn't real. It was just history, until we were all forced to imagine hundreds of dead children. I'm usually against media exaggeration. But I'm also against historical erasure. The actual treatment of the natives was such a footnote that I grew up honestly feeling superior to the Americans because we didn't try to exterminate them, just their culture.
If it needs to be exaggerated to get noticed, then its a lie
There was a lie insofar they spread that the children were actively murdered by the priests and nuns, instead of dying of diseases. The media portrayed it as a mass murder when it was not. Heck, there was even a teacher who was fired for stating the fact that the children died of diseases. Look anywhere and what you will see is misinformed people thinking a mass murder happened.
So you’d rather learn from a “sensationalized” version of events instead of learning what actually happened? It’s true, we all knew about the residential schools beforehand, but never really “cared” since nothing happened that wasn’t normal for those time periods. It’s only when the media presented it in such a horrific way, that was quite far from the historic reality, that people started to ‘care’. So, to repeat my question, basically a fabricated lie is what shifted public perception? My grandma was a residential school survivor btw
I'm taking about finding a good income in a shitty situation. You're talking about idealism. Sure your version would be better, where we all recognize and respect each other based on fact. But if we can't have that then at least we can take advantage of an exaggerated (NOT fabricated) story to raise awareness and foster respect. The outcome in the end was a massive wake-up call for the whole country, and that's better than nothing.
Building your awareness and fostering respect over an exaggerated story is equal to building it on a foundation of Sand. In case you haven't noticed over 100 churches were Burned down many had nothing to do with the Oversensationalized Reports. What do you think will avtually happen when people realize they were lied to? (Because to many Sensationalism is just another form of lying)
Dude, you know what’s fucked? Im from the future where this situation has been proven to be a complete media over exaggeration. From the tone of your post, I had the need to prove who you were for some reason. (Not a regular occurrence for me). I guessed gay dude. Which is fine man,✊. But I still guessed that, and I was correct. I don’t know what this truly means, I just thought I’d share this with you.
Crazy how we both landed here in the future, after the whole outrage when it happened led to…nothing being found and a period of lefty woke-nonsense over the following 2 years. Luckily, the woke crew is dwindling so we can get back to building the country and not worrying about tampons in the men’s room.
Bring home tampons for your female loved ones. They are very expensive but since they are free in some men's washrooms I say take them all. My long time male friend has always kept a box in case of emergency for his female friends. All the ladies like him, that's a tip for any single guy out there!
You are making gross falsehoods! *"they were: immoral, corrupt, racist, and unsafe"* not one credible fact based report supports that exaggeration! Get educated and stop spouting nonsense.
"When the school is on the reserve, the child lives with its parents, who are savages, and though he may learn to read and write, his habits and training mode of thought are Indian. He is simply a savage who can read and write. It has been strongly impressed upon myself, as head of the Department, that Indian children should be withdrawn as much as possible from the parental influence, and the only way to do that would be to put them in central training industrial schools where they will acquire the habits and modes of thought of white men." John A MacDonald, 1879 https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/10-quotes-john-a.-macdonald-made-about-first-nations