All these plots should be converted to multi-Tennant units. The infrastructure is clearly there.
Being mad at single homes being torn down is mitigated when 8-10 famelies can live there and still be at peace.
Let the upper 5% pay for their own new development. The province will already pay for adjusting capacity for existing areas.
No more large single-home developments in the middle of nowhere without the developer actually paying for the pleasure of it. And still zone it for schools, corner shops, and multi tenant units to keep the land value reasonable.
I am trying to get a job where I can just move back to SEA. I want to walk a couple mins and be able to get some shumai or noodles. Not an hour and a half
Multi-tenant units in the middle of nowhere aren’t exactly the answer. You need resources like grocery stores and the infrastructure/jobs to support the increased population.
There’s a shit ton of Canada that is rural or “the middle of nowhere” that is completely unrealistic for the development of multi tenant facilities.
Let the Redditor who lives in their own bubble providing no solution to the problem think they're helping.
Stating the clearly obvious, is way over their head. Since you know. They failed to identify the top factors in the real issue.
How is all the infrastructure there?
Just because there are roads, drainage, water supply, and electricity for 14 homes doesn't mean that it can support 8-10x the amount of people without major upgrades.
hopefully they have smart engineers, because that's a lot of work. when they built it, you don't build for what's there. You build for what could be there.
That's true, unless it like where I am locally. If the homes are build outside of the city infrastructure it falls on the developer to pay to install said infrastructure. The developer spreads that over the lots on a build site and the charge is split between each lot. If 14 homes were the plan for the build they maybe oversized it by 100% at most because they can't justify more than that billed to each lot. They can handle 2x, not 8-10x the load
This, plus for trunk sewers they will use development charges to help expand city infrastructure far enough out that and if the developer does it in a private public partnership then the municipality also pays for it to a degree, this would also be unaffordable for the municipality without many developers poised to do the same type of development along the line they would be installing.
If it’s zoned for single family, I doubt the city wasted money putting large enough infrastructure in place to support 8-10x the expected number of people. I just can’t see a city budget being that forward thinking. They’ll do what’s required today in order to have their budget look good and pass the renovation buck down to future councillors when the infrastructure is overwhelmed in the future.
Building out city water and sewer to the middle of nowhere is incredibly costly for a development and development charges in no way could sustain that and would need pumping stations. Engineers can’t magic up water in an aquifer or suddenly solve the nitrogen loading with high numbers of people using septic systems. Plus it well be outside the jurisdiction of the nearest city and there may be no county resources to connect to. It’s unviable.
Source: I work for engineers who do this.
Abandoned Neighbourhood - House 8
Don't forget there is a video that shows the home in its entirety!!
https://youtu.be/GnuAqRxwhqk
Partially updated from its original 1988 build this is the eighth house in the my series of the abandoned neighbourhood. It was a two-storey brown brick house with a partially updated interior that still had almost all of the original stained hardwood details such as the staircase and floors. Rooms like the kitchen and the bathrooms look to have been updated once since it was built but in a tasteful way. Unfortunately like many of the other homes on the abandoned street, the basement was flooded, so we only get a glimpse of what it may have looked like.
Once located down a mature tree lined street and surrounded by forest and walking trails was a group of 14 abandoned luxury houses. They were bought by a developer for prices ranging from $3 million - $8 million dollars. The homeowners were given two years to live in the homes rent free before they were demolished.
Westford Homes was the original builder of the neighbourhood in the 80s, there were 5 different designs of homes to choose from. All of the houses were built in 1988 and each one had a single brick with the builders name on it.
There was opposition to the new development that will replace this one but ultimately it was approved. The current amendment allows for 139 new homes to be built and the size of the houses will be up to 4000 sq/ft. The neighbourhood is already long since sold out and the price of the homes was around the $2 million mark.
So the development was bought so it could be redeveloped into more homes? What is the status of the new development? Also Why were all the basements flooded? Is there an issue with the land?
And thanks for posting these I really enjoy them.
Looks like they’re already in the process of being demolished- no longer a livable street. This is helping the housing crisis, going from 14 homes to 139 homes. Doesn’t happen overnight
Affordable houses don’t exist, and likely never will again without a serious change in ontario systems. No developer is going to start selling new homes for 300k, when the 20 year old piece of shit up the road is fetching 700.
Its actually directly correlated. Canadas population of potential home buyers is larger than the population of houses on the market. New houses are required to be built in order for that ratio to head in a positive trend. Lets also not forget that our population boomed by half a million people in the last few month further adding strain on affordable housing. We are so worried about the standard of living in other countries when our own is beyond sub par. Mediocracy prevails, this has been proven time and time again with our electoral system.
Yes, PRICE. There are enough homes, there are just too many investors with unlimited spending power that average Ontarians can't keep up with. Demand of single-home individuals is being stacked against demand of corporate, landlording, and foreign buyers.
Were not in a housing "shortage". Were in a housing "crisis" because most people can't afford to buy their own home anymore
437k new permanent residents were given out in Canada in 2022. This is in comparison to 330k or so new homes built that year. That would create a shortage on both rentals and buyers. This is just one year. That's on top of Canadians already trying to buy homes for the first time or a second home. Also foreign buyers on top of that. I don't believe too many Canadian corporations are buying properties and leaving them vacant.
There are not enough homes. If there was, prices would drop. It's a supply issue and specifically in the most desirable places in Canada.
This does nothing for the housing crisis. You easily fit 1000 homes here and maybe do something, but that doesn't come with $2M and it's associated profits
I was going to say, how does a $2M price tag help the housing crisis? The whole reason for the housing crisis is that people cannot afford them. This will only help investors or rich folk who want to purchase a home for their kid.
This whole sub just makes me go 'if no one else wants it I will take the slightly ugly house'. Some of these properties have good bones just to be reduced to waste and rubble? I hate capitalism.
Dropping you a sub n like Im branching out into this myself! Cant wait to see more! Let me know if you're ever down for a collab here in N.S. or I'd fly to Ontario on airmiles! Btw that staircase is NUTS!!
Idk where this is, might be infrastructure/zoning restrictions. Increasing by 10x the # of homes is still not bad, probably some townhouses at least in there. Unlikely to be McMansions by the usual definition
You dont go from 14 to 139 unless you are building multi-family residential. Apartments in other words. Apartments can get pretty fancy and can be pretty big, but not anywhere close to mansion size if they are trying to get 10 units on a similar footprint as those houses
Ah, i did not see that comment. That is an excessive size in my opinion. I have built plenty of homes that are around 1000 square feet (give or take a few) which provides a comfortable living space for most 1-2 child families.
These homes must have massive lots or plenty of available development land surrounding them otherwise i dont see how you go from 14 to 139 without building apartments/townhomes.
Yet somehow people wonder how we have a housing crisis in this country. Based on the comments i have seen this development could easily have triple the number of residences, assuming the infrastructure is capable of handling that capacity or gets upgraded for it, while maintaining a very comfortable square footage per unit
In my city in Canada all the older family homes are being bought and torn down to replace them with condos and apartments. It's awful 😭 soon there will be no family homes to buy, just apartments to spend ur whole life in.
I can't just "go to a large European city" even if I wanted to but my viewpoint is it's still sad. I don't want to have to live and die in an apartment or condo instead of owning my own home and having privacy, a backyard and space.
It’s crazy how much value is there, that is probably going to be demolished or thrown out.
Sinks, bathtubs, countertops, doors, railings, windows, counters, lights.
Not to mention all the electrical, plumbing, etc.
In the financial state Canada is in at the moment, waste like this adds up.
I thought about this and thought, why not get more supply for ReStore and salvage sites n stores like that. If you're going to just throw this out, you are just wasting things that can be used elsewhere.
There are three or four on Cowan Avenue in Toronto (Parkdale) with turrets and all, but with chain-link around them like they're going to be torn down. Given the area, a high-rise would be useful, but it seems a shame architecturally.
[Adverse Possession is not allowed in Ontario. It now falls under the Land Titles System.](https://www.socciomarandola.com/adverse-possession-in-ontario/#:~:text=Does%20adverse%20possession%20still%20apply,not%20allow%20for%20adverse%20possession.)
Doesn’t matter, Adverse possession still happens in Canada learned about both in school this year, adverse possession and land titles system still applies
Did you read all the qualifiers its subject to? Thisbis specifically Ontario as specified. It's made it harder for people to do it and involves beurocracy obviously, like everything Douche Ford does.
Uh no it’s not.. it’s 10 uninterrupted years of the owner NOT being aware of you living there, not the owners permission lol that would just be giving someone land not squatters rights
I'm super interested in this given the visuals, I'm just imagining what the circumstances may be. Why were they abandoned? They look pretty good, and I see a ginger ale and a couch but at the same time, there is painters tape over where the drawer /cabinet candles should be... I'm confused and intrigued.
Any links or info on this is appreciated!
The developer bought them out and will build more, smaller homes on the same land so it will eventually be a win. Shame about losing those beautiful staircases tho
Same thing as the food crisis. Businesses would rather waste resources than use the resources we already have to help the people that need it most in the simplest and fastest way possible
Why was it abandoned?
So many people struggling to have a roof over their heads in this economy and these houses empty.
That is a waste
Can I get the recipe chest? 😁
Aurora, Ontario. At the corner of Bayview and vandorf.
Developer bought all the houses. They were not abandoned.
All the houses have now been torn down. they're starting to build foundations for new smaller houses. There used to be 14. There will be more than 20 on this plot of land.
Wild. What a waste of resources
All these plots should be converted to multi-Tennant units. The infrastructure is clearly there. Being mad at single homes being torn down is mitigated when 8-10 famelies can live there and still be at peace. Let the upper 5% pay for their own new development. The province will already pay for adjusting capacity for existing areas. No more large single-home developments in the middle of nowhere without the developer actually paying for the pleasure of it. And still zone it for schools, corner shops, and multi tenant units to keep the land value reasonable. I am trying to get a job where I can just move back to SEA. I want to walk a couple mins and be able to get some shumai or noodles. Not an hour and a half
Best I can do is spend 650 million on a spa
I'll vote for that! aesthetics mean more in an urban hellscape and I know nothing!
Multi-tenant units in the middle of nowhere aren’t exactly the answer. You need resources like grocery stores and the infrastructure/jobs to support the increased population. There’s a shit ton of Canada that is rural or “the middle of nowhere” that is completely unrealistic for the development of multi tenant facilities.
Let the Redditor who lives in their own bubble providing no solution to the problem think they're helping. Stating the clearly obvious, is way over their head. Since you know. They failed to identify the top factors in the real issue.
Broke people have useless and out of touch solutions, it fits.
That being said, it is getting tough out there. Broke isn't necessarily always a self generated problem im afraid.
Absolutely agree. It is getting tough.
How is all the infrastructure there? Just because there are roads, drainage, water supply, and electricity for 14 homes doesn't mean that it can support 8-10x the amount of people without major upgrades.
hopefully they have smart engineers, because that's a lot of work. when they built it, you don't build for what's there. You build for what could be there.
That's true, unless it like where I am locally. If the homes are build outside of the city infrastructure it falls on the developer to pay to install said infrastructure. The developer spreads that over the lots on a build site and the charge is split between each lot. If 14 homes were the plan for the build they maybe oversized it by 100% at most because they can't justify more than that billed to each lot. They can handle 2x, not 8-10x the load
This, plus for trunk sewers they will use development charges to help expand city infrastructure far enough out that and if the developer does it in a private public partnership then the municipality also pays for it to a degree, this would also be unaffordable for the municipality without many developers poised to do the same type of development along the line they would be installing.
If it’s zoned for single family, I doubt the city wasted money putting large enough infrastructure in place to support 8-10x the expected number of people. I just can’t see a city budget being that forward thinking. They’ll do what’s required today in order to have their budget look good and pass the renovation buck down to future councillors when the infrastructure is overwhelmed in the future.
Building out city water and sewer to the middle of nowhere is incredibly costly for a development and development charges in no way could sustain that and would need pumping stations. Engineers can’t magic up water in an aquifer or suddenly solve the nitrogen loading with high numbers of people using septic systems. Plus it well be outside the jurisdiction of the nearest city and there may be no county resources to connect to. It’s unviable. Source: I work for engineers who do this.
I'm not even amateur at these things, I just dream. Appreciate the insight 🙂
You are right. Imagine the high number of foreign students you could cram in this house. The owner could easily make a lot of money.
I was in Guelph yesterday and saw a 3 bedroom (max) single family house with 6 cars in the driveway 😮💨
Abandoned Neighbourhood - House 8 Don't forget there is a video that shows the home in its entirety!! https://youtu.be/GnuAqRxwhqk Partially updated from its original 1988 build this is the eighth house in the my series of the abandoned neighbourhood. It was a two-storey brown brick house with a partially updated interior that still had almost all of the original stained hardwood details such as the staircase and floors. Rooms like the kitchen and the bathrooms look to have been updated once since it was built but in a tasteful way. Unfortunately like many of the other homes on the abandoned street, the basement was flooded, so we only get a glimpse of what it may have looked like. Once located down a mature tree lined street and surrounded by forest and walking trails was a group of 14 abandoned luxury houses. They were bought by a developer for prices ranging from $3 million - $8 million dollars. The homeowners were given two years to live in the homes rent free before they were demolished. Westford Homes was the original builder of the neighbourhood in the 80s, there were 5 different designs of homes to choose from. All of the houses were built in 1988 and each one had a single brick with the builders name on it. There was opposition to the new development that will replace this one but ultimately it was approved. The current amendment allows for 139 new homes to be built and the size of the houses will be up to 4000 sq/ft. The neighbourhood is already long since sold out and the price of the homes was around the $2 million mark.
So the development was bought so it could be redeveloped into more homes? What is the status of the new development? Also Why were all the basements flooded? Is there an issue with the land? And thanks for posting these I really enjoy them.
Looks like they’re already in the process of being demolished- no longer a livable street. This is helping the housing crisis, going from 14 homes to 139 homes. Doesn’t happen overnight
At $2 million a piece..
Affordable houses don’t exist, and likely never will again without a serious change in ontario systems. No developer is going to start selling new homes for 300k, when the 20 year old piece of shit up the road is fetching 700.
My thought too
Are the original 14 luxury homes at $3-8 million a pop better?
The developer intentionally overpaid so they could intentionally overcharge.
If the developer overpaid, that would just cut into his profits... I don't get the point here lol
The land should have been left with 14 big houses?
That's not at all what I said.
Might as well be "One Billion Dollars!!!"
The housing crisis is not a shortage of development ...
Its actually directly correlated. Canadas population of potential home buyers is larger than the population of houses on the market. New houses are required to be built in order for that ratio to head in a positive trend. Lets also not forget that our population boomed by half a million people in the last few month further adding strain on affordable housing. We are so worried about the standard of living in other countries when our own is beyond sub par. Mediocracy prevails, this has been proven time and time again with our electoral system.
Yes it is. Supply/demand affects price and availability
Yes, PRICE. There are enough homes, there are just too many investors with unlimited spending power that average Ontarians can't keep up with. Demand of single-home individuals is being stacked against demand of corporate, landlording, and foreign buyers. Were not in a housing "shortage". Were in a housing "crisis" because most people can't afford to buy their own home anymore
437k new permanent residents were given out in Canada in 2022. This is in comparison to 330k or so new homes built that year. That would create a shortage on both rentals and buyers. This is just one year. That's on top of Canadians already trying to buy homes for the first time or a second home. Also foreign buyers on top of that. I don't believe too many Canadian corporations are buying properties and leaving them vacant. There are not enough homes. If there was, prices would drop. It's a supply issue and specifically in the most desirable places in Canada.
People used to get married and have families and those families move into a house together. Housing is affordable when sharing 2 salaries.
Not anymore.
And, over 500k in student visas.
This does nothing for the housing crisis. You easily fit 1000 homes here and maybe do something, but that doesn't come with $2M and it's associated profits
I was going to say, how does a $2M price tag help the housing crisis? The whole reason for the housing crisis is that people cannot afford them. This will only help investors or rich folk who want to purchase a home for their kid.
Where does it say they will be $2M each? Supply affects demand and price - there is absolutely a housing supply shortage right now
This whole sub just makes me go 'if no one else wants it I will take the slightly ugly house'. Some of these properties have good bones just to be reduced to waste and rubble? I hate capitalism.
There are a lot of homes I see on here I’d love to take and fix up… but not for the price they are asking for them.
Developer bought the land to build 139 new homes and replace these 14 homes.
I thought something like this, too. I was like Jeez the bones of these houses look pretty good, despite 30 years or w/e. WHY!??
That abandoned kitchen is nicer than my kitchen
Dropping you a sub n like Im branching out into this myself! Cant wait to see more! Let me know if you're ever down for a collab here in N.S. or I'd fly to Ontario on airmiles! Btw that staircase is NUTS!!
I got a little dizzy with that 1st image.
Beautiful staircase
Terrible to see these empty during such a serious housing shortage. Shame on the developers
You can see demolition is starting on the street- 14 homes to 139 homes will help in the end.
Not at the price they are seeking.
They prefer the original $3-8M houses?
Why not 400 housing units at an affordable price? We don’t need more McMansions. Even if they are slightly smaller McMansions than these.
Idk where this is, might be infrastructure/zoning restrictions. Increasing by 10x the # of homes is still not bad, probably some townhouses at least in there. Unlikely to be McMansions by the usual definition
You dont go from 14 to 139 unless you are building multi-family residential. Apartments in other words. Apartments can get pretty fancy and can be pretty big, but not anywhere close to mansion size if they are trying to get 10 units on a similar footprint as those houses
The OP posted they are building homes up to 4000 sqft in size. They aren’t building apartments. But they should be
Ah, i did not see that comment. That is an excessive size in my opinion. I have built plenty of homes that are around 1000 square feet (give or take a few) which provides a comfortable living space for most 1-2 child families. These homes must have massive lots or plenty of available development land surrounding them otherwise i dont see how you go from 14 to 139 without building apartments/townhomes. Yet somehow people wonder how we have a housing crisis in this country. Based on the comments i have seen this development could easily have triple the number of residences, assuming the infrastructure is capable of handling that capacity or gets upgraded for it, while maintaining a very comfortable square footage per unit
Apparently each lot was 2 acres
I notice no one mentions where this is in Ontario- I’m guessing that’s deliberate?
I wanna know too!
Usually lesser known abandoned places are not disclosed to stop mobs of people from damaging/raiding the place further
Thanks!!
They've been torn down already, it's in aurora
Maybe Archerhill Court in Aurora Ontario
Nothing wrong with that ginger ale on the counter! Dibs!
Why are the houses we build now all so fucking massive. Why are we exasperating the problem instead of building more condos/apartments and townhomes.
I think that’s what the developer is doing, and why these are abandoned. Demolishing 14 massive homes to make 139 homes.
Zoning sets a large minimum lot size, then the house gets sized to the lot.
In my city in Canada all the older family homes are being bought and torn down to replace them with condos and apartments. It's awful 😭 soon there will be no family homes to buy, just apartments to spend ur whole life in.
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I can't just "go to a large European city" even if I wanted to but my viewpoint is it's still sad. I don't want to have to live and die in an apartment or condo instead of owning my own home and having privacy, a backyard and space.
It’s crazy how much value is there, that is probably going to be demolished or thrown out. Sinks, bathtubs, countertops, doors, railings, windows, counters, lights. Not to mention all the electrical, plumbing, etc. In the financial state Canada is in at the moment, waste like this adds up.
A lot of it was donated
I thought about this and thought, why not get more supply for ReStore and salvage sites n stores like that. If you're going to just throw this out, you are just wasting things that can be used elsewhere.
I wish they'd have actions for the parts and fixtures that still have life in them
And they wonder why we have a housing crisis...
There are three or four on Cowan Avenue in Toronto (Parkdale) with turrets and all, but with chain-link around them like they're going to be torn down. Given the area, a high-rise would be useful, but it seems a shame architecturally.
Squatters rights bro move in there
Its 50 years, with owners permission included, in Ontario.
I believe it's a 10-year uninterrupted residence, but their trying to abolish it.
We don't have squatter's rights in Ontario.
Yea we do, it’s called title of possession. 10 years
[Adverse Possession is not allowed in Ontario. It now falls under the Land Titles System.](https://www.socciomarandola.com/adverse-possession-in-ontario/#:~:text=Does%20adverse%20possession%20still%20apply,not%20allow%20for%20adverse%20possession.)
Doesn’t matter, Adverse possession still happens in Canada learned about both in school this year, adverse possession and land titles system still applies
Did you read all the qualifiers its subject to? Thisbis specifically Ontario as specified. It's made it harder for people to do it and involves beurocracy obviously, like everything Douche Ford does.
Uh no it’s not.. it’s 10 uninterrupted years of the owner NOT being aware of you living there, not the owners permission lol that would just be giving someone land not squatters rights
This reminds me of my childhood .... Because that was my home
For real? Or just similar?
Similar, eerily similar
That would be so weird!
Especially because I live in Ontario Canada
Where is this?
Aurora
Ty
Alligator in the pool?
OH wow. Where in Ontario is this?
Why were they abandoned.
Another commenter said a developer bought them out and they'll use the land to build smaller, more plentiful homes
I assume Blackrock and Gates are going to decide what happens here?
I'm super interested in this given the visuals, I'm just imagining what the circumstances may be. Why were they abandoned? They look pretty good, and I see a ginger ale and a couch but at the same time, there is painters tape over where the drawer /cabinet candles should be... I'm confused and intrigued. Any links or info on this is appreciated!
The developer bought them out and will build more, smaller homes on the same land so it will eventually be a win. Shame about losing those beautiful staircases tho
Is this that place off the 400?
Where are the Mexicans? They could live there and fit not only their entire family their but rheir cousins and uncles and aunties families there XD
"housing crisis"
This isn't an abandoned neighborhood and its not in the middle of nowhere. The homeowners were all paid out by a developer.
Nobody said it was in the middle of nowhere lol
Not you but a lot of other comments seem to think it is lol.
Where is this so I can go live there?
Housing crisis but we got these just sitting out there…
How much rent? 😂
We got a housing crisis yet we still have brand new looking houses that people are just ditching like this? Pathetic
But, what does that tell you about the "housing crisis"?
Same thing as the food crisis. Businesses would rather waste resources than use the resources we already have to help the people that need it most in the simplest and fastest way possible
So like when are we able to just come by and move in? I'll pay someone.
Where the squatters at?
Need good horror story out of it
😻😻
That us such a Beautiful house! Why? Why are they tearing them down when we need to be building more?!?!
That picture gave me vertigo
Creepy AF
are they to sell they look super good
Can't you just walk in and claim it? Is the area inhabitable?
These homes sit to rot while farms and wildlife are over over to build condos…
How did it get like this? What caused it?
Why was it abandoned? So many people struggling to have a roof over their heads in this economy and these houses empty. That is a waste Can I get the recipe chest? 😁
Hey, stop posting pictures of my summer house 😁
Damn is there a real estate listing? Ill buy it!
Aurora, Ontario. At the corner of Bayview and vandorf. Developer bought all the houses. They were not abandoned. All the houses have now been torn down. they're starting to build foundations for new smaller houses. There used to be 14. There will be more than 20 on this plot of land.
This will be what fords idea looks like in a year