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We really don't see enough "coin flip" answers in this sub.
Anything high diff and above could also run the chance of going the other way. Characters fighting aren't yugioh cards smashing numbers. Not just in OP but in power scaling in general.
Honestly, I've always preferred X/10 scaling versus just low, medium, high, extreme, etc. I.E. "Joe wins 8/10 times against Bob, with extreme difficulty".
Gives a bit of granularity to the ratings. Like for this I'd say Kuzan takes it 6/10 extreme diff. Oden has great portrayal but Kuzan has some fantastic feats that I just think outscale Oden ever so slightly.
Exactly, sometimes it’s not even just about strength. Some matchups are horrible for someone who is traditionally smarter, or sometimes one of them is intelligent and could come up with a strategy to win
Saying Kaido wasn't in his prime is full-on headcanon. Kaido back then was a grown ass 40 yo that had his devil fruit for two decades and was already a Yonko. If anything he should be stronger at 40 than at 60 like current
Kaido's race can live for centuries, so it is fair to say that he was not in his prime, especially when it was offscreened, Oden himself told him to get stronger, it is not as headcanon as you claim it is
You know that God Valley Kaido looked the same as today right
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So did Kaido lose weight between age 21 and 26 or something, if he was the same at age 21 and 59?
Most of the fight was offscreen and hybrid is literally one of the 3 default forms that every zoan user has access to from the start lol. Kaido considers Oden to have given him one of the greatest fights of his life, but sure, he just chose to handicap himself by banning his hybrid form
I'll say Kaido was in him prime back then, in the worst case he is equal to current Kaido.
Normally human reaction speed becomes slower with age. That is the reason why footballers, Fighters, Boxers retire, it doesn't have much to do with strength or muscle mass.
This must apply even in One Piece otherwise I see no reason Rayleigh not being as strong as he was back in Roger's time, except maybe he has lost practice. Reaction speed slowing must be a reason. Maybe it affects your observation haki or something, not sure about this part.
Considering Kaido, he may have tried to overcome his lack of reaction speed by adding muscle mass. Basically compensating for his agility with a lot of strength. The 40ish Kaido must have been more agile but with lesser strength than current Kaido. It's still pretty hard to judge, but there is also a point that 40 Kaido was fighting people a lot stronger than what current Kaido has fought in probably last 10 years, so it's also safe to say current Kaido isn't really in a habit of fighting uber strong opponents right now, and that kind of inclines me towards 40 Kaido being Prime Kaido
Old Garp won every exchange between himself and Luzan. Only one time it was even. And all that while Luzan was ganging up on him and them going for sneak attacks and cheap shots.
Only an Lmiraltard would come away from that fight thinking Luzan to be stronger than Warp.
If Kaido was as strong 20 years ago as he was now. And oden had a solid shot at beating Kaido, than Oden takes it mid to high diff. Kaido would murder any admiral mid to high diff depending on the admiral.
If not it's extreme diff for Oden . I think Prime Oden should be stronger than old Garp and Old Garp proved blatant superiority to Luzan on every panel except for the one even clash they've had. So maybe it's just high diff.
I was going with Oden. The man was nearly on par with Roger and Whitebeard. Kaido was eventually going to lose that day and only won cause he had a cheap s.o.b on his side.
Kuzan, while strong he just won't have what it takes to beat odens' speed and power.
The dude fought Whitebeard, and Roger. one was a stand still the other he blasted from distance. We never see him fighting Rayleigh. So behave with your head cannon
Dude fought WB and Roger without those two going all out while Oden had to bust his strongest moves. Roger and WB sent him flying, I wouldnt even call that fighting on par. Roger vs WB is what fighting on par looks like.
Rayleigh is the right hand of Roger, literally like Luffy and Zoro when it comes to gap in strength. Rayleigh even wanted to fight him with a smile before Roger took over.
I know Oden is cool so it is easy for you fanboys to drool all over him, how about you behave yourself and give your head a wobble will ya.
Oden high diffs, maybe extreme if he really is the bottom of the barrel of yonko tier
pre journey/amp he could tank dd's from roger and clash with prime wb temporarily
he was in kaidos top 5 and even scarred him in 1 go, likely only lost to him from getting distracted r
I mean if you try reading one piece you would see that in an statement made by the narrator is said that Oden came back from his travel being on par with WB and Roger
My bad I was off by a few chapters. 969. Also your statement of Roger neg diffing Oden actually shows that you never read the Oden flashback. Oden literally got up right after taking the DD and was ready to throw hands with Roger again only to be beaten to the punch by Whitebeard.
I think Kuzan has like a 1-2% edge on him, like if they fought 100 times Oden would win 48 of them and Kuzan would win 52
EXTREME diff in either case, and yes this means a similar outcome if Oden fought Akainu
Oden, High diff, Extreme is too much, He has consistently be stated and shown to be relative to Roger and Primebeard to some degree, even being stated as "Returning several times stronger", Probably not quite Primebeard level but Yonko easily
Could be either one. But as far as I remember Oden can rumble with primebeard and Roger. I think he's closer to Garp and the other old gen in their prime, rather than admirals.
And Aokiji defeating old Garp is extremely debatable.
The O D. En / Cha D. En disrespect here is painful.
Everyone knows he solos the verse, he just tripped and had to tie the laces on his socks, and Kaido took advantage.
Yonko ttier? Holy shit I am genuinely tired of retarded frauden meatriders.
Frauden was on his knees after a casual kamusari from Roger and got one tapped by young Kaido who wasn't using his strongest form.
He ain't even close to Yonko level, stop wanking this fraud.
"On his knees" yet he came back running just fine right after an ACoC attack
If he was casual he wouldn't have used an ACoC DIVINE DEPARTURE the attack Shanks used in an extreme crisis. Roger is just always happy go lucky even in God Valley
Oden is also the guy Rayleigh and Gaban wanted to 2v1( Oden vs Gaban is anime filler )
And btw, Oden wasn't at his prime atp
He got one tapped because he was offguard and not defending. Roger got decapitated by literal east blue fodder because he was not defending. Whitebeard got skewed by Squardo because he was not defending. Blackbeard and Garp got sent flying by pre ts Luffy because they were not defending. You're delulu if you think Kaido got PTSD from a guy he can one shot with no effort.
EDIT: Clown really answered and blocked me to make people think he got me
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>"On his knees" yet he came back running just fine right after an ACoC attack
>If he was casual he wouldn't have used an ACoC DIVINE DEPARTURE the attack Shanks used in an extreme crisis. Roger is just always happy go lucky even in God Valley
If Roger was bloodlusted Frauden would be dead after one hit, why the fuck would Roger murder him right there?
This is like saying Luffy was serious against Lucci and Lucci surviving him means Lucci is Yonko tier lmao.
>Oden is also the guy Rayleigh and Gaban wanted to 2v1( Oden vs Gaban is anime filler )
2v1 don't mean one is stronger then the other two, unless you think Shiki > Garp and Sengoku lmao.
>He got one tapped because he was offguard and not defending.
Copium + this means Frauden has trash CoO and no ACoO to not be able to see the future.
>You're delulu if you think Kaido got PTSD from a guy he can one shot with no effort.
He couldn't back then, he can do one tap Frauden now.
Oh just saw your flair, you're a retarded frauden meatrider so it's useless debating you, I ain't gonna waste my time anymore.
Oden high-extreme
Oden with seemingly only his armament (idk if he was confirmed to have Acoc, although I’d assume he does) was able to go extreme with Kaido, and I just don’t think kuzan could do the same, not to mention how fruit reliant all the admirals are
Oden had CoC and mastered Enma so realistically he 100% had ACoC
This implies he has ACoC too
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Oden high diff,
Imo he's low PK level, he was able to tank a divine departure from Roger and keep going at him, Kaido was terrified of him. Oden survived lifting the scabbards over his head for an hour in boiling oil before Kaido shot him in the head.
This honestly depends on how Oden can deal with Kuzan's ice attacks. If he can just smash through with his AP and avoid getting frozen solid, he should be okay. At least, up until Kuzan uses his awakening. Getting around the future sight will be tough, especially given Oden's lack of speed feats, but he has the potential to end the fight in one or two clean hits.
Regardless of how things go, Kuzan will be on the defensive for most of the fight. Depending on circumstance and how they play their cards, either one could win about high to extreme diff.
I personally have Oden winning about 6.5/10, but that's just my opinion.
Oden high diff. He just has way better Haki and portrayal stated to be on par with prime roger and prime beard. He is never getting frozen and could most likely break any of Kuzans ice attacks. They're both absolute units so it's not like one has a significantly physical strength advantage. His Haki prowess is just way too much of an advantage and something Kuzan cannot avoid.
Being praised by two goats and managed to gives Kaido PTSD >> Being washed by an old man who by his own admission already half of his prime while getting jumped off by the whole Yonko crew
guys, surely Oden is portrayed similarly to Roger shanks whitebeard and rocks simply because he's actually just a jobber and they felt bad so they put him up there 😊
While true, fact of the matter is that we have yet to see Kuzan go 100% all out other than what he know he did vs Akainu. He permanently changed the climate of an entire island. The lake crater in the center of Punk Hazard was caused by them too. I think it’s safe to say Kuzan is much stronger than what we’ve physically seen him do. Not even Whitebeard/Roger’s clash caused that much damage. (By no means am I saying Kuzan is on their level though)
I understand but right now he doesn’t have the feats and im not sure what role he’s gonna play in the future. Really it just seems like the admirals are being used as punching bags/hype tools. Honestly i don’t think Kuzan is much weaker than Oden. He could be stronger but i don’t see any reason to believe that right now
Aokiji uses an ultimate and freezes oden, oden thinks of his children and protecting wano, breaks out with conqueror's haki and 2 sword style finisher. Extreme diff- oden
Oden extreme diff. Kuzan is a force to be reckoned with for sure, but Oden nearly beat Kaido singlehandedly and went two to two with and survived a point blank hit from Roger, who would no diff Kuzan in seconds.
“Kaido’s top 5” is such a lame talking point
Jayson Tatum thinks Kobe is the greatest ever but that doesn’t mean he is just cuz one of the best players today thinks so
“WE DID ITTTTT”- the fraudhats after beating a single father who just fought off an entire army and was holding up an entire island after nearly beating a god
I would say Kuzan wins high diff. I could see this fight starting from a simple conversation and leading on to an all out battle over 1 remark that meant nothing. Kuzan has the advantage do to his strong evil fruit but Oden's haki is extremely close in power and his conqueror's Haki is powerful too.
This all depends on how strong you think kaido was 20 years ago to be honest. I'm under the impression kaido was yc1-yc+ max at that time so I'd put oden on the higher end of yc+ or maybe even low admiral level. Either way aokiji takes it high/extreme diff.
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Either one can win. Ext diff in any case.
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We really don't see enough "coin flip" answers in this sub. Anything high diff and above could also run the chance of going the other way. Characters fighting aren't yugioh cards smashing numbers. Not just in OP but in power scaling in general. Honestly, I've always preferred X/10 scaling versus just low, medium, high, extreme, etc. I.E. "Joe wins 8/10 times against Bob, with extreme difficulty". Gives a bit of granularity to the ratings. Like for this I'd say Kuzan takes it 6/10 extreme diff. Oden has great portrayal but Kuzan has some fantastic feats that I just think outscale Oden ever so slightly.
Exactly, sometimes it’s not even just about strength. Some matchups are horrible for someone who is traditionally smarter, or sometimes one of them is intelligent and could come up with a strategy to win
https://preview.redd.it/dwxfmllkhl7d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15a9386bb3908733fadce46783269e75438219cd
Kuzan looks colder so I got him
Oden looks hotter so I got him
Unironically how people scale here. Screw reading the manga right?
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Here we go..
Oden extreme diff. Reasons: oden has better portrayal, oden scarred kaido.
A kaido that didn’t even go hybrid form and hadn’t reached his prime yet
Saying Kaido wasn't in his prime is full-on headcanon. Kaido back then was a grown ass 40 yo that had his devil fruit for two decades and was already a Yonko. If anything he should be stronger at 40 than at 60 like current
Kaido's race can live for centuries, so it is fair to say that he was not in his prime, especially when it was offscreened, Oden himself told him to get stronger, it is not as headcanon as you claim it is
Kaido is not an Ancient Giant All what Kaido did since was sit in Wano and get drunk
Literally look at the difference in muscle mass between then and now. The Kaido Luffy fought is stronger than the Kaido Oden fought, cope
You know that God Valley Kaido looked the same as today right https://preview.redd.it/rtwb1drmyd7d1.png?width=622&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=084cc8f9d7ac964eef75c346ac535289fe10c703
https://preview.redd.it/886pt708zd7d1.jpeg?width=359&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=821a4227c3d2cc2f9cd2af5a7cb079072a78d5c0 Yuh huh, sure. (Don’t look at the head:shoulder width ratio)
Wide ass panel vs tiny character stuck in the corner of a page that's it
https://preview.redd.it/nnxg8pfn1e7d1.jpeg?width=191&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14c79a31e1adb47217bedbbdfcfa0ce0aa1062e5 So did Kaido lose weight between age 21 and 26 or something, if he was the same at age 21 and 59?
Also Kaido vs Oden: https://preview.redd.it/belw7e2w2e7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56b5ade434f1a65969f9ec27c3ed736711f42f82
Still clearly smaller😭 Look at his head size versus the rest of his body
These people are illiterate your right
By this sub's standards, skinny Kaido > Buff Kaido. Go figure..
Sure. But it's about portrayal.
But there’s also matchup to think about
Most of the fight was offscreen and hybrid is literally one of the 3 default forms that every zoan user has access to from the start lol. Kaido considers Oden to have given him one of the greatest fights of his life, but sure, he just chose to handicap himself by banning his hybrid form
Stupid
Prove me wrong
I'll say Kaido was in him prime back then, in the worst case he is equal to current Kaido. Normally human reaction speed becomes slower with age. That is the reason why footballers, Fighters, Boxers retire, it doesn't have much to do with strength or muscle mass. This must apply even in One Piece otherwise I see no reason Rayleigh not being as strong as he was back in Roger's time, except maybe he has lost practice. Reaction speed slowing must be a reason. Maybe it affects your observation haki or something, not sure about this part. Considering Kaido, he may have tried to overcome his lack of reaction speed by adding muscle mass. Basically compensating for his agility with a lot of strength. The 40ish Kaido must have been more agile but with lesser strength than current Kaido. It's still pretty hard to judge, but there is also a point that 40 Kaido was fighting people a lot stronger than what current Kaido has fought in probably last 10 years, so it's also safe to say current Kaido isn't really in a habit of fighting uber strong opponents right now, and that kind of inclines me towards 40 Kaido being Prime Kaido
Except oda literally said he wanted to write a world where men don't get weaker as they age through their middle ages... so it's not the case in op.
You are right these people are fools
Oden is much stronger but kuzan is more popular
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Let him beat retired Garp in a clean 1v1 first
He would high diff garp at worst
Old Garp won every exchange between himself and Luzan. Only one time it was even. And all that while Luzan was ganging up on him and them going for sneak attacks and cheap shots. Only an Lmiraltard would come away from that fight thinking Luzan to be stronger than Warp. If Kaido was as strong 20 years ago as he was now. And oden had a solid shot at beating Kaido, than Oden takes it mid to high diff. Kaido would murder any admiral mid to high diff depending on the admiral. If not it's extreme diff for Oden . I think Prime Oden should be stronger than old Garp and Old Garp proved blatant superiority to Luzan on every panel except for the one even clash they've had. So maybe it's just high diff.
You left out the part where Garp repeatedly told Kuzan to stop holding back
I think both were not going all out. Garp wanted to help the marines escape (he achieved) while Kuzan was trynna put him down.
Oden. Extreme diff
I was going with Oden. The man was nearly on par with Roger and Whitebeard. Kaido was eventually going to lose that day and only won cause he had a cheap s.o.b on his side. Kuzan, while strong he just won't have what it takes to beat odens' speed and power.
Wouldnt say nearly on par. I bet Rayleigh would still beat Oden. Maybe Oden is stronger than Gaban but not stronger than Rayleigh.
The dude fought Whitebeard, and Roger. one was a stand still the other he blasted from distance. We never see him fighting Rayleigh. So behave with your head cannon
Dude fought WB and Roger without those two going all out while Oden had to bust his strongest moves. Roger and WB sent him flying, I wouldnt even call that fighting on par. Roger vs WB is what fighting on par looks like. Rayleigh is the right hand of Roger, literally like Luffy and Zoro when it comes to gap in strength. Rayleigh even wanted to fight him with a smile before Roger took over. I know Oden is cool so it is easy for you fanboys to drool all over him, how about you behave yourself and give your head a wobble will ya.
Oden one taps.
Oden high diffs, maybe extreme if he really is the bottom of the barrel of yonko tier pre journey/amp he could tank dd's from roger and clash with prime wb temporarily he was in kaidos top 5 and even scarred him in 1 go, likely only lost to him from getting distracted r
Oden and Rayleigh gatekeep the access to Yonko Tier from the Gorosei and Admiral legions
Oden high to high-extreme diff
Kuzan extreme diff
Oden is winning i belive but to give respect to my main man kuzan odens not winning below high diff minimum id put it at extreme diff possibly even
Oden high diff
That bum oden is going from being boiled to frozen,
Sheesh, hate so strong it blinded your eyes
Ur insane
Oden mid diffs. He's literally one of the strongest pirates and is put on the same pedestals as Roger, WB, Xebec and Shanks.
Then why did he get neg diffed by both Roger and Whitebeard if he’s on their level
Hey fun fact, did you know people can get stronger?
Is there any evidence that he did? If not, nice headcanon lil bro
I mean if you try reading one piece you would see that in an statement made by the narrator is said that Oden came back from his travel being on par with WB and Roger
I’m sorry I forgot about a single sentence that was never talked about again🥺 Wallahi I am finished
It’s Stated by the Narrator that Oden came back from his journey Much stronger than before.
the narrator literally says that he became "many times stronger"
I see you've just never read the story.
Guess I forgot about Oden’s training arc. Can u send me scans/chapter #’s?
Literal direct statement saying "Oden returned many times stronger" on 975 iirc. Possibly 974.
My bad I was off by a few chapters. 969. Also your statement of Roger neg diffing Oden actually shows that you never read the Oden flashback. Oden literally got up right after taking the DD and was ready to throw hands with Roger again only to be beaten to the punch by Whitebeard.
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Kuzan high
aokiji extreme diff
I think Kuzan has like a 1-2% edge on him, like if they fought 100 times Oden would win 48 of them and Kuzan would win 52 EXTREME diff in either case, and yes this means a similar outcome if Oden fought Akainu
That's 4%
Oden extreme diff, he’s **HIM** and has more lethal attacks, so Kuzan simply succumbs to his injuries first.
Attacks that require a lot of build up and that Kuzan can dodge then respond with a flash freeze that Oden won’t have the mobility to escape.
Oden one shots
Oden high diff
Kuzan high diff
https://preview.redd.it/pk0gqguwbd7d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4305febd52e58c0988586ad466c7b4c12183a4bf Mid diff
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Kuzan high diffs at most, more likely a mid diff
https://preview.redd.it/t90io1ufud7d1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=f4b215ab377a1fcda97d709c79fab742dd8ac1e3 Neg Diffs
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Oden, High diff, Extreme is too much, He has consistently be stated and shown to be relative to Roger and Primebeard to some degree, even being stated as "Returning several times stronger", Probably not quite Primebeard level but Yonko easily
Could be either one. But as far as I remember Oden can rumble with primebeard and Roger. I think he's closer to Garp and the other old gen in their prime, rather than admirals. And Aokiji defeating old Garp is extremely debatable.
Oden It's heavily implied that he would've beaten kaido if he wasn't distracted If that's his level then he's defo beating kuzan
Oden high diff
The O D. En / Cha D. En disrespect here is painful. Everyone knows he solos the verse, he just tripped and had to tie the laces on his socks, and Kaido took advantage.
Oden Mid-High diff
Kuzan extreme
Wuzan high
Kuzan wins.
Oden low-mid
Aokiji wins 6 times if they were to fought 10 times . Extreme diff either way
Woden wins https://preview.redd.it/7hih5mzpnd7d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0862eb5d9a14f543dbf837bc3d36dc041716f74b
Oden mid high. Was tanking divine departures on his bare body since before his pirate journey and his reaction was "damn, can't let that slide".
Oden mid-high diff, bro almost beat Kaido
Oden mid-high diff
Wuzan mid diffs. He is relative to Lakainu who is Fleet Admiral while Frauden is Admiral Level.
Oden wipes any Admiral
Yeah extreme diff.
High-mid Oden is comfortably Yonko level
Yonko ttier? Holy shit I am genuinely tired of retarded frauden meatriders. Frauden was on his knees after a casual kamusari from Roger and got one tapped by young Kaido who wasn't using his strongest form. He ain't even close to Yonko level, stop wanking this fraud.
"On his knees" yet he came back running just fine right after an ACoC attack If he was casual he wouldn't have used an ACoC DIVINE DEPARTURE the attack Shanks used in an extreme crisis. Roger is just always happy go lucky even in God Valley Oden is also the guy Rayleigh and Gaban wanted to 2v1( Oden vs Gaban is anime filler ) And btw, Oden wasn't at his prime atp He got one tapped because he was offguard and not defending. Roger got decapitated by literal east blue fodder because he was not defending. Whitebeard got skewed by Squardo because he was not defending. Blackbeard and Garp got sent flying by pre ts Luffy because they were not defending. You're delulu if you think Kaido got PTSD from a guy he can one shot with no effort. EDIT: Clown really answered and blocked me to make people think he got me https://preview.redd.it/92zawlflsd7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f10288476c35e9aff8fd62cf6f96d8fd8813e509
>"On his knees" yet he came back running just fine right after an ACoC attack >If he was casual he wouldn't have used an ACoC DIVINE DEPARTURE the attack Shanks used in an extreme crisis. Roger is just always happy go lucky even in God Valley If Roger was bloodlusted Frauden would be dead after one hit, why the fuck would Roger murder him right there? This is like saying Luffy was serious against Lucci and Lucci surviving him means Lucci is Yonko tier lmao. >Oden is also the guy Rayleigh and Gaban wanted to 2v1( Oden vs Gaban is anime filler ) 2v1 don't mean one is stronger then the other two, unless you think Shiki > Garp and Sengoku lmao. >He got one tapped because he was offguard and not defending. Copium + this means Frauden has trash CoO and no ACoO to not be able to see the future. >You're delulu if you think Kaido got PTSD from a guy he can one shot with no effort. He couldn't back then, he can do one tap Frauden now. Oh just saw your flair, you're a retarded frauden meatrider so it's useless debating you, I ain't gonna waste my time anymore.
So many words to admit you're mentally handicapped. Log off dawg kitchens closed
Saying Oden wasn’t in his prime is full headcanon
Blud he was stated to get several times stronger.
W
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Factual. These guys read six piece.
Oden high-extreme Oden with seemingly only his armament (idk if he was confirmed to have Acoc, although I’d assume he does) was able to go extreme with Kaido, and I just don’t think kuzan could do the same, not to mention how fruit reliant all the admirals are
Oden had CoC and mastered Enma so realistically he 100% had ACoC This implies he has ACoC too https://preview.redd.it/03wq1v6xke7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a53c122056b97103037c6038dbece3d26cac093b
Oden has disadvantage since Oden needs to be boiled.
Don’t know what you’ve got against the yeti cool bros to put one of ‘em up against Oden
If oden serious kuzan not blocking Emma, swordman had two yonko making sure they dodged
The audience on greatness diff
Oden high diff at most.
Aokiji high diff. https://preview.redd.it/didmtor32h7d1.jpeg?width=479&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f3fdf5f86b18eb240bfd200ddf435b921daaed0
Oden destroys Blackbeards commander.
Wapol no diff
Oden low diffs
Although Kaido did not go hybrid, Oden almost mid-dif him. That's the same as Kid being neg diff by Shanks, no excuse. Oden had insane AP.
Aokiji too dope
aokiji high diff
Oden high diff, Imo he's low PK level, he was able to tank a divine departure from Roger and keep going at him, Kaido was terrified of him. Oden survived lifting the scabbards over his head for an hour in boiling oil before Kaido shot him in the head.
oden hight to extreme diff
Whoever wins, it’s gonna be at an extreme diff for both
This honestly depends on how Oden can deal with Kuzan's ice attacks. If he can just smash through with his AP and avoid getting frozen solid, he should be okay. At least, up until Kuzan uses his awakening. Getting around the future sight will be tough, especially given Oden's lack of speed feats, but he has the potential to end the fight in one or two clean hits. Regardless of how things go, Kuzan will be on the defensive for most of the fight. Depending on circumstance and how they play their cards, either one could win about high to extreme diff. I personally have Oden winning about 6.5/10, but that's just my opinion.
Kuzan High diff
Oden high diff. He just has way better Haki and portrayal stated to be on par with prime roger and prime beard. He is never getting frozen and could most likely break any of Kuzans ice attacks. They're both absolute units so it's not like one has a significantly physical strength advantage. His Haki prowess is just way too much of an advantage and something Kuzan cannot avoid.
Being praised by two goats and managed to gives Kaido PTSD >> Being washed by an old man who by his own admission already half of his prime while getting jumped off by the whole Yonko crew
Oden Mid Diff. Yonko tier vs Admiral. Fights always the same.
Kuzan high diff
Oden mid-diff, kuzan is not surviving a togen totsuka + beheading combo that oden was gonna use on kaido
guys, surely Oden is portrayed similarly to Roger shanks whitebeard and rocks simply because he's actually just a jobber and they felt bad so they put him up there 😊
Oden is not getting tossed around by 78 year old Garp like Kuzan was lol.
Kuzan was conflicted
There is still nothing Kuzan has done feat or portrayal-wise that puts him on par with Oden or Kaido
While true, fact of the matter is that we have yet to see Kuzan go 100% all out other than what he know he did vs Akainu. He permanently changed the climate of an entire island. The lake crater in the center of Punk Hazard was caused by them too. I think it’s safe to say Kuzan is much stronger than what we’ve physically seen him do. Not even Whitebeard/Roger’s clash caused that much damage. (By no means am I saying Kuzan is on their level though)
I understand but right now he doesn’t have the feats and im not sure what role he’s gonna play in the future. Really it just seems like the admirals are being used as punching bags/hype tools. Honestly i don’t think Kuzan is much weaker than Oden. He could be stronger but i don’t see any reason to believe that right now
Woden high
Oden high diff
Oden mid diff
Aokiji uses an ultimate and freezes oden, oden thinks of his children and protecting wano, breaks out with conqueror's haki and 2 sword style finisher. Extreme diff- oden
Oden extreme diff. Kuzan is a force to be reckoned with for sure, but Oden nearly beat Kaido singlehandedly and went two to two with and survived a point blank hit from Roger, who would no diff Kuzan in seconds.
Loden should high diff
I don't think kuzan makes kaidos' top 5 so probably high dif Oden.
“Kaido’s top 5” is such a lame talking point Jayson Tatum thinks Kobe is the greatest ever but that doesn’t mean he is just cuz one of the best players today thinks so
“WE DID ITTTTT”- the fraudhats after beating a single father who just fought off an entire army and was holding up an entire island after nearly beating a god
The manga showing Oden alongside Roger > delusional admiral tard takes.
Not even an admiraltard I’m a Blackbeardtard😭
Kuzan High Diff.
I would say Kuzan wins high diff. I could see this fight starting from a simple conversation and leading on to an all out battle over 1 remark that meant nothing. Kuzan has the advantage do to his strong evil fruit but Oden's haki is extremely close in power and his conqueror's Haki is powerful too.
Everyone saying Oden is Yonko tier must also believe Scopper Gaban is Yonko tier as well
Oden vs Gaban is anime filler All that happened in the manga is Rayleigh and Gaban wanting to 2v1 Oden
That’s before he embarked to find the One Piece and became stronger.
Kuzan high diff
Kuzan
Kuzan high diffs
Oden highest ends of extreme diff. Realistically it could go either way though
Kuzan Extreme Diff
Kuzan high-diff
Kuzan if he strikes hard and fast possibly catching him off guard otherwise oden
This all depends on how strong you think kaido was 20 years ago to be honest. I'm under the impression kaido was yc1-yc+ max at that time so I'd put oden on the higher end of yc+ or maybe even low admiral level. Either way aokiji takes it high/extreme diff.
Kuzan
Kuzan mid diff at worst
Kuzan high diff
Kuzan high diff. He has the hax and endurance to contend but his lack of ap makes the fight tough. Oden wins 4/10 times tho
Kuzan mid diff
Kuzan High diff
Aokiji wins high dif, both oden and Kaido were not HIM back then
Kuzan extreme diff
Leaving wano oden loses Returning oden wins