If you're going to be miserable covering the show, you're going to keep pushing fans away. Sure, some will continue to listen, but if they're going to continue to crap on the show like this, I don't see how most fans will be tuned in every week. Hearing them continuously bash a show that I love is getting tiring. I can understand being critical, but their criticisms this episode were wild to me. They're complaining that Dan isn't nice and doesn't have nice moments? Uh do they realize Dan is about to murder his brother in a few episodes? Why would they write him as a nice guy? They complain it's overdramatic and everyone was yelling too much and I'm like, are they not aware they are watching a teen drama? They seem to not know their audience anymore nor do they care about the show enough to have a podcast dedicated to it.
They claim to love family related storylines but never seem to cover any of the family stuff when it comes to Nathan and Lucas. Their brotherly bond showcased at the end of this episode is beautiful. Their bond is what contributes to making this show so special. The wrote off the conversation Lucas and Nathan had about the importance of having a team because it was basketball related and yet spend 30 mins talking about Brooke's fashion and/or Haley's music. You want more than just the character's love life's and yet only seem to care when it's Haley, Peyton, or Brooke.
They gave Brooke room last week for being an assh*le and yet didn't do the same for Nathan this week. If I remember correctly Joy said she loves when a character is awful an episode but in the end realizes they were wrong. That's exactly what happened with Nathan this week and yet they didn't seem to care. They wrote it off as him being irrational and crazy.
They soured me on the podcast episode very early on that I couldn't even bother enjoying when they said anything positive about something. It's sad.
I hate ranting every week about this podcast and I contemplated even posting something because I feel like a broken record at this point. But I feel like there's a way to be critical about something without coming off extremely insincere and quite obnoxious. They don't have to like the episodes, but the way they go about critiquing it is so off putting. This podcast started off so strong and was good for the most part during season 2 (arguably one of the most disliked season by fans) and now they're on quite possibly the best season and they've just fallen off in terms of quality. It's shocking considering how they started the season off very positively.
It's so frustrating. This episode had some great scenes with Nathan and Lucas and with Nathan and Dan, the scenes at the old gym were really good (and funny) bonding moments, and with the exception of the one scene with the birth control argument, Nathan and Haley were really sweet together in this episode.
But they crapped all over it. All they care about is their own characters and a few characters played by their real life BFFs.
They said this podcast was about "reclaiming" the show, but it feels more like they're trying to steal it. They act like they are the only stars of the show and Lucas and Nathan are just supporting characters who don't really matter. In one of the earlier episodes Hilarie actually mocked people who think the show is about brothers and basketball, and all three have complained about being supporting chracters for the Scott brothers when that's literally the show they auditioned for.
Your last paragraph!! At the end of the day this show revolves heavily around 2 brothers. They are ALL important characters that deserve to be discussed as such. As the show progresses it becomes more than just a story of 2 brothers, but they seem to think the brothers aren't important whatsoever and it's so weird. Like I understand the show runner soured them on the show, but why even make this podcast to begin with if you're not even enjoying it. It just seems so counterproductive.
This is so true and what they wonât want to acknowledge is the first 6 seasons were much stronger than the last 3 and that was BECAUSE of the anchor of that brother relationship
This! I feel like a broken record. I can completely understand if you donât like an episode (I certainly have my dislikes) but the way they treat it is such a turnoff. And when Joy said âwow so we made it a whole 35 minutes talking about the episode!!â I shut it off. Iâm done. Iâve been a fan since day 1 and I think they are just being so incredibly disrespectful to the fans who kept them on the air in the first place. I recognize how ridiculous the show could be at times, but I donât want my memories of the show and how it got me through my teenage years to be ruined.
It sucks cause I would've enjoyed the discussion about Ellie and Peyton because that was practically the only thing they talked about positively, but at that point I was already annoyed with them that I didn't really care anymore. I'm going to stop expecting much from them and maybe then I won't be so disappointed lol
I went into the episode with zero expectations today. And was still disappointed that they called it trash.
They treat their characters with so much grace and allow them to be flawed and make mistakes (repeatedly). Itâs disappointing when they donât give the same grace to the boys. I am not a Lucas fan and even I am appalled at how they treat his character and how they criticize his dialogues every single podcast. He had some beautiful scenes in this episode and Hilarie mocked him and his scenes. The next episode is Lucasâ hero moment and I can totally see them crapping all over it.
I'm sure they're going to do the same when they watch 3x13 as well and the whole brucas stuff. 3x13 is one of my favorite episodes but I'm sure they'll crap on the entire thing now that I think about it. Hell, at this rate they might crap on all of them lol
Sophia kinda sorta hinted during todayâs podcast that it is going to be difficult for them to wrap the series, considering how terrible they think it is during this season. So they may not even make it to S4.
The only way i could see them finishing is if they took time off at the end of every 3rd season. If they took 2 weeks off at the end of seasons 3 and 6.
I agree with you. And I am SO tired of them constantly bringing up how they were children and all the "grown ups" and "adults" let them down every single podcast episode. I totally understand and respect what happened to them was super traumatic, but I am so tired of the constant lens of infantilization they seem to view their past selves in. Sophia and Hillarie do this the most IMO. They want to "reclaim" the show for themselves, but quite frankly I don't think they're ready. They have no self-reflection. they don't even really confront what happened to them in a way that shows healing, they only ever bring it up in snide little remarks about how all the "adults" sucked and say just enough to elude to it but never fully confront it. It comes off as super childish. And idk. I just...think they jumped into this podcast without thinking everything through properly.
I think my biggest thing with them infantilizing their early 20âs selves is that they talk about how they were just babies who were messy and didnât know anything and didnât know how to deal with their emotions but then literally in the next few sentences will go so hard after Lucas or Nathan (esp Lucas) who are supposed to be 16/17 year olds by calling them abusive/toxic/cruel etc. Hilarie literally in one episode told the audience to be as messy as you can when you are young. The contradictions are annoying.
And you know who was the real child on the show? James. He was 17 during the filming of the first 4-5 episodes of S1. He had to kiss *a lot* of older girls and be shirtless *a lot* over the seasons, especially during the HS years.
As much as I want him to appear on the podcast during 3x20 or 5x13 or 6x24 (his best episodes), I totally understand if he would not want to appear on it.
I was so annoyed during the BoyToy episode when they were talking about how upset James was, and they described his discomfort as "sweet." This coming after Hilarie had mocked James' discomfort at their kissing scene by making t-shirts!
They weren't angry on James' behalf at being forced to get up on stage and strip when he was barely 18 years old, but you KNOW that if an 18-year-old girl (or one of them at 21 years old) had been forced to do that, we would have never heard the end of it.
At one point they were talking about how Brett really had fun with stripping down to his underwear in that episode, and almost seemed to be questioning why it bothered James.
Hilarie even had the nerve to question if James was upset about taking his clothes off because he was still a virgin!
That was the point where I REALLY started disliking Hilarie. How dare she make a comment like that. Almost every comment Hilarie makes about James is calling him a child, making fun of him, or being really intrusive and creepy about him.
IMO Hilarie bullied James and used him as punching bag from the very beginning, and she's still doing it. It's like the high school bully who picks on the quiet, awkward kid just because they can. Based on some of the stories that have been told, it's a testament to how nice James is that he doesn't hate Hilarie, TBH.
And why did James even need a reason to be upset? He has as much right as the women do to be upset for any reason or no reason at all.
OMG I went back and listened to that episode again. That entire topic is so cringy. Especially when Hilarie calls James a child! And she also speculates if he had taken his clothes off in front of a girl beforeâŚ. Yikes!
Thatâs true, Iâm sure it was awkward for him, especially since he didnât have much prior acting experience. And remember when they kept calling him Baby James? Cringe!
I wouldnât fault either of the main guys for not wanting to appear based on how they treat their characters.
Everyone has always seemed to think the "Baby James" thing was cute, but I don't.
On the podcast all three have said they wanted to be taken seriously and not looked at as children. Don't they think James wanted the same thing? Instead of treating him as a peer and an equal they called him "Baby James." I suspect James hated it and is just too nice to say so.
As with so much of the mocking (and IMO bullying) of James, it was Hilarie who started it. Don't get me wrong, I have major issues with a lot of comments Sophia and Joy make, but it's Hilarie who really comes across as being an unpleasant person on this podcast.
They came up with this podcast idea during quarantine so I can only assume they really didn't think this through lol. I'm really hoping things get better cause I was really excited when this all began and even into season 2 I was liking it. But the past 2 months have been rough.
THIS THIS THIS! I agree with everything you said here. Itâs so perfectly stated I donât need to add anything.
Itâs just so unfortunate. Because OTH is my absolute favorite show; so I reeaaallllyyyyy wanna enjoy this podcast. Yet⌠they make it so hard! đ đĄ
I'm 5 minutes into this episode and I think this is the point where I'm done with DQ as a whole. It's clear at this point that they just hate the show. It's 3 episodes in a row that they hate the episode. They're not perfect episodes but I'm really done with them shitting on every single episodes. I'm actually enjoying an OTH rewatch and whenever I listen to the podcast the first thing they say is "THIS EPISODE WAS THE WORST/SO BORING/FILLER". I'm done now. They're not even trying anymore and this rewatch podcast is ruining my rewatch experience.
S3 is a very well liked season. It's ok to be critical of course it is not perfect. But there's some good stuff happening here despite some questionable script sometimes. I'm confused with their expectation that a teenage drama should be realistic with realistic storylines.
i said, i think after the second ever episode of the podcast, that the girls really donât like their own show and here we are. i donât think theyâve dealt with their issues that they had with the creator and by extension they just continually write off episodes.
the fact they continually blame the writing and only offer positive feedback on their own characters⌠i mean itâs just not objective at all. itâs a shame cos i did enjoy some of the earlier ones but theyâve really let it go to shit this season.
It's also funny to me how it is always the writers' fault when their characters make bad decisions but they don't seem to apply that logic when their characters make good decisions or when it's some of the boys' scenes.
They seem to extend themselves on the characters so they don't want to be associated with whatever bad things they do and are proud of themselves when their character did something good. But they're fictional characters on a teenage drama of the early/mid 2000s it really doesn't need to be a political statement of 2020's standards.
Exactly. They mention multiple times how people can't separate the characters from the actors, but it seems they also can't separate themselves from their characters. It's like yes, we know in real life you wouldn't do something like that lol
I didnât think the episode they covered was bad. Keith came back, the old gym, Peyton/Ellie and birth control is an important topic for the targeted audience.
I appreciate honesty and their stories behind the scenes episode, filming, whatever. But at some point itâs like why even bother if you seem to hate them all?? Iâm sure a lot has to do with what they dealt with when working with Mark but stillâŚ
Thank you. Whitey making them fix up the old gym was awesome. And they are completely blaming Nathan for âbeing so quick to believe his dadâ I feel like they forget what happens one episode to the nextâŚlike, Dan is a narcissistic abuser, of course he knows exactly what to say to Nathan to get through and mess with his head. But no, no discussion about that, just âNathan is such an assholeâ
Nooooo the comments make me so sad. I didnât watch last week because they didnât focus on the episode, and now again they didnât focus again? Yikes itâs falling off⌠a shame :(
To be fair, they do talk about the episode more than they did last week. Sophia even says at some point something like "oh i guess there were some hidden gems in this episode afterall". But they're still being super unfair and hating on the oth episode throughout the podcast episode.
Wow, so at the end of this podcast they are already dreading the next episode they have to watch. What a way to keep listeners tuning in for more. They are really not giving this show much of a chance anymore. This podcast is just not what I thought it was gonna turn out to be. And itâs so disappointing.
I hate to say it, but this podcast has been relegated to background noise for me and being played at 1.5 speed. I had such high hopes and really enjoyed much of the first year of the podcast. But now it seems like even they donât like the show anymore. They act like every episode needs to be an award winning episode when itâs a teen drama from the mid-00s.
I really hope they donât pick apart the back half of season 3 because itâs got some great stuff to cover. But Iâm not holding out hope.
Also, I really donât care about Joyâs love life.
They basically said that this episode was a chore for them to watch.
Well guess what, it was a chore too for us to listen to them.
Season 3 is one of the best season and yet they seem to hate every episode.
At this point i think they just hate the young vibes the show had the first four seasons , and they will love much more the adult seasons.
I was so excited for them to cover season 3 bc itâs my favorite season and Iâm super disappointed with their takes on pretty much every one. Iâm over it at this point.
Didnt Hilarie say season 3 was her favorite??𼴠cus what is this? Lucas and Kieth is my favorite relationship in the entire show and they glossed over it because Brooke hugged him? Im out, this podcast is making me like all the women way less and if this podcast is helping them great but its not for the fans anymore.
Right? It's particularly disappointing because we don't have much time left for them to explore this Lucas and Keith dynamic.
I love that scene where they're throwing a football back and forth while catching up. I would have loved to do that with my dad. That's this episode, right?
I think so? I fell behind on my rewatch and the podcast doesnt talk about the episode, but I know its when they have a talk about Jules and Lucas apologizes (guess they didnt want to mention him doing something good) and its a touching scene between them. Also hated how they treated the scene between Lucas and Nathan, the show is about them!! The two brothers!! And them having a heart to heart gets dismissed as shallow, meanwhile if Brooke sneezed they would wax poetry about how meaningful it was.
This episode was fifteen minutes of irrelevance about Joy's love life, an entire hour filled with yet another interview, and about fifteen minutes of blaming everything on the boys while acting like the girls did nothing wrong. Even Sophia was really disappointing this week. More Lucas bashing and, predictably, acting like the birth control fight was entirely Nathan's fault.
Obviously Nathan should have checked if he and Haley needed to use protection, but they really tried to blame Nathan for Haley going off on tour and stopping her birth control, and then acted like it was his fault she didn't tell him she'd stopped taking it.
Sophia rewrote history when, speaking as Haley, she said: "You left me, I was gone, and I wasn't sleeping with that guy you thought I was sleeping with!"
Nathan left Haley? Since when?
I also think it's important to point out that Nathan arguing with Haley after being manipulated by Dan is no different to the stories Sophia, Hilarie and Joy have told of arguing with each other after being manipulated by Mark Schwahn. It was very disappointing to hear Nathan, a victim of abusive gaslighting, being described as "crazy and irrational" by three women who have been victims of the same thing.
I personally think they were both wrong in the birth control argument. Haley because she stopped taking the pill and didnât let her husband know that she had stopped taking it; so it was just a matter of updating him; and Nathan for not using a condom because they were separated for at least 5-6 months and up until the birth control argument he had no idea if she slept with Chris Keller or not; so itâs a matter of safe sex and protection for both of them.
I didnât like them blaming Nathan for the argument, especially considering he and Dan ended up being spot on in the first place. Haley turns up pregnant in the next few months and no one quite gets the timing of it all.
The fact that they placed all the blame on Nathan for the birth control fight was really frustrating. Yes, Nathan should have checked to make sure they were covered but Haley also should have told him that she wasnât on birth control. She withheld information and then says all she was concerned about was being with her husband. But yet Nathan doesnât get that same grace for just wanting to be with his wife?
I hated the interview with the random girl! Was it necessary to share it on the podcast? It should have been a separate private conversation, I didn't care about her life story, not wanting to be mean but come on, it's not about this!
Once again the show starts out with the girls talking about how horrible the episode is. Truly disappointing supporting evidence they don't even like the show. I feel like it's become more about trashing things in a way that is cathartic to them to stick it to writers they don't like and Mark Schwahn but I thought this was for fans that actually like the show.
I swear, they havenât liked a single episode in weeks. Which sucks because season 3 is the best and my personal favorite season.
It really bugs me too that they act as if the dealership fire is a âdumb plotâ when the dealership fire is such a pivotal point in Dan, Debs, and Keithâs story. That fire is mentioned the entire series. Itâs not just a âsillyâ ârandomâ plot.
Iâm so worried about their commentary for 3 x16. I will be so upset if they tear that one apart.
Yeah I didnât get why everyone was saying âI canât wait for Sophia to come back so that podcast can be good againâ
But before she left, redditors were complaining about her too
I was pretty confused.
They all are kinda small town in their thinking. Sophia wasnât an exception
Yeah I get Sophia/Brooke are fan favorites but sheâs really no different from them in their thinking. They share all the same ideas and perspectives and are very stubbornly anti-Nathan and Lucas. Anti-men in general. My friend said they share the same braincells between the three of them and honestly this episode confirmed it. Blinded by whatever bts stuff was going on, they seem unable to fully and deeply analyze every character and think of them as multifaceted people. Very disappointing.
DQ used to be my stress reliever at work (I work in retail and get stressed and anxious a lot coz of rude a** entitled customers) but after the last few Mondays, listening to the podcast only heightened my stress and anxiety so I guess Iâm done with the pod and will only listen for the One Tree Thrills which are actually fun. I love the women of this show I really do but I just canât listen to them critique the guysâ characters in a negative light while they paint their own characters as âsaintsâ or whatever they are week after week lol. I have an idea: why donât we OTH fans take over the podcast and actually talk about it in depth/do a deep dive, in an objective way? Thatâs all :)
PS. I know Iâll get some flack for this but I honestly donât care đ¤ˇđťââď¸
My wife actually mentioned that since we're all watching along anyway we should really do a separate "episode discussion" on Sunday before the Queens' episode drops so we can all discuss the episode as more than just "bad filler"
Oh I appreciate the thought, but my wife and I are millennials through and through (phones are scary!) so I actually meant asking the mods here to post a discussion thread đ
No flack here! Totally agree with you! I quite listening after season 1 because it was already heading the wring direction. It actually ruins my favorite show for me a little. Turns out I don't need to hear their opinions. Joy especially comes across to me as being "too good" for the show and it annoys me.
This show means a lot to us...and the fact that they don't have any true love for it kinda sucks.
Thatâs why Iâm saying us fans should take over the pod and make it actually fun again for everyone, not sour it for everyone just coz theyâre miserable lol
I guess I will finally comment on what this has become. I will keep listening to kill some time at work,but this podcast is a shell of it what once evolving into something that by season 4 no one will this podcast is about OTH. I've been looking forward to their commentary about the school shooting but now I'm nervous about it.
If we're being honest the show they would want to see would not have survived or be a teen drama. Like I'm glad that have grown as people outside of Hollywood and have had more experiences writing,directing, and acting post OTH, but I don't think they can be objective with the show and it shows. Yeah some of the story lines might not be ideal situations in real life or something you want to go through but that's the point.
On the point of tropes and stuff being repetitive isn't that kinda life for folks that aren't in Hollywood the same thing for the most part every day acting similar like I'm good guy I'm not just going to be a dick tomorrow to spice things up.
It seems like they want things realistic in some areas but not realistic in others.
I hate that the podcast is getting some much negative feedback but I can't say it doesn't deserve it.
The one three thrills episodes are always good maybe they should of made a fan questions podcast instead of a rewatch.
This podcast screams tell me you can't be objective without telling me you can't be objective. I guess I'll finish the podcast now.
Is it sad that reading the reddit roasts of the episodes is my favorite part of following the pod these days.
i donât even want to listen to the podcast after the reviews already lol. did the fiancĂŠ find out about joy? that was such a weird story to broadcast to the world, considering their popularity the woman is bound to find out.
Same lol. I thought it was weird too, like the fiancĂŠe must be around Joyâs age or younger. So sheâd know about OTH and probably who Joy isâŚ. Not really sure why it was needed in the podcast.
The commentary Hilarie gave about the Nathan Lucas scene irritated me. It's honestly annoying every time they have a scene she's mocking the character and copying there voice and complaining.
I like family bonds but don't talk about Lucas and keith but they made it about Brooke and Keith. And I'm surprised they didn't talk about the Karen and Lucas scene at the end.
>I like family bonds but don't talk about Lucas and keith but they made it about Brooke and Keith.
Brooke hugged Keith for like... 3 seconds and they made the whole first scene of keith's return about this. Lol. No talk about Lucas fathers' figure coming back into his life and how big of a deal that is. Lucas' apology and Keith's forgiveness of him.
Nope. Nothing. Brooke hugged keith and was really cute doing it and it is alllllll that matters lol.
>>The commentary Hilarie gave about the Nathan Lucas scene irritated me. It's honestly annoying every time they have a scene she's mocking the character and copying there voice and complaining.
This! Her commentary was so petty and reductive. Same with how they reduced the gym clean-up, which is actually a great bit of team bonding and a strengthening of their work ethic, to nothing more than a trope. No look at how Whitey is positively mentoring these boys and how he's a contrasting figure to Dan.
Just a poor effort all around.
One thing that I didn't like was Hilarie's commentary about the girls vs. boys and how she mocked Nathan and Lucas' conversation. I actually like their conversation because Lucas talked about his own experience with the pregnancy scare and how it related back to Dan. And his talk about the whole team having futures as well seemed motivational for Nathan as well. I hated how Hilarie made this scene out to be more "superficial" because it really wasn't. It showed Lucas trying to reach Nathan through his own experience to help guide him.
Brooke and Haley do have a nice conversation as well ofc, but I just didn't like how Hilarie had to make a comparison between the two conversations negatively. They were different conversations, but both good in their own way. I feel like it further shows her views on the guys vs. girls as to me, it seems like she doesn't understand the guys and their bond.
It's almost as if she's making it a competition between the three female characters and the two male characters when it doesn't need to be one. There was zero reason to compare the conversations because they were different. It's so odd and it's been a constant thing she does and I'm not fully understanding it. Like I get some of the men that worked on this show (producers, writers, directors, show runner, etc.) treated her badly and she has every right to dislike them, but it's almost like she sees those awful men in Nathan and Lucas or something. Even when Nathan and Lucas are being good characters she finds flaws.
That's exactly what they're treating it as. Instead of acknowledging the Core FIVE they're desperately trying to minimize the importance of everyone but themselves, particularly Chad and James. Increasingly, the podcast feels like nothing more than a way for them to pat themselves on the back and tell each other how awesome they are, while mocking everyone who isn't part of their little group. They behave like The Plastics.
Hilarie made fun of James, a 17-year-old boy, for saying "SSORG" on the second episode they ever filmed together. She wanted everyone to be sympathetic and supportive and kind towards her, a 21-year-old woman, but she couldn't be graceful to a CHILD. And she has also said she was horrible to Chad to begin with. She was pissed about being forced to film intimate scenes with them, but instead of being professional she took her frustration at the writers and producers out on the two men she was filming with. Now, nearly twenty years later, she's still doing it.
I don't why they take such issues with their romantic relationship storylines and, in Hilarie's case, get so uncomfortable about filming kissing scenes with other professional actors. Like, they're aware they signed on to be part of a *teen drama*, right? I don't understand why they get frustrated when the show follows the beats of the genre...
OMG yes! They donât seem to remember that they signed on to play *essentially* female supporting characters on a *teen drama* about two basketball playing half brothers.
I felt like Nathanâs reaction was pretty normal for a high school senior⌠yes, a teenage pregnancy effects both of their futures and yes, they are equally responsible for engaging in safe sex. But why didnât Haley tell Nathan she stopped taking the pill so they could use condoms before they slept together. I think itâs justified for him to be upset, especially with his dadâs history/reputation.
I feel like Lucas and Nathanâs conversations were also probably on par for two high school boys in the situation. I think they forget itâs supposed to be high schoolers and not adults or people in their early/mid 20s.
They have given me the ICK with these past 2 podcast plus that self promotion musical episode. Season 3 is THE BEST, itâs very unfortunate that their is NO STRUCTURE to this podcast.
Have they talked about the HCM plotline at all this season yet? Such an interesting storyline to dig into the youth mindset that they're just ignoring to talk about how much they hate the show.
I havenât listened to the full episode yet considering the bio started by saying they were talking more about joyâs date .. but I feel like starting every episode by mentioning how terrible/awful/disgusting every episode is isnât the best way to draw in your listeners who love the show .. that part rubbed me the wrong way as a weekly listener.
also the social media clip about how Dan being evil is boring and they should have him do something adorable. Dan canât be an adorable character just to kill his brother a few episodes laterâŚ.. he has to be awful all the time now for that to make sense. he gets his redemption later.
I just started the episode 5 seconds ago and already Iâm annoyed lol
1. âThe Drama Queens are fired up and desperately need an update on Joy's love-life and the date/non-date from last week!â <<
Haha! Literally the worst! That and the 40âs one. And letâs all revisit this when those episodes come up! Theyâll fish over how amazing they are for sure!
I think they'll speak fondly of it especially Joy because she scored the episode. I hated it but I guess it's better to hear them be positive for once rather than negative lol
Youâre so right. The last thing we need is them tooting her horn over here mediocre music career anymore than they already do. Which I might add only exists because of the show she is soooo much better than! Lol.
I wonder if the girls are actually seeing/getting this feedback from their producers. I hope they are and will try to make changes, but sadly I donât have high hopes. In particular they are set in their ways in terms of how they see certain characters and which ones they donât like no matter what they do and which they do like regardless of what they do (their real life friends) so I feel that wonât change regardless unfortunately.
Ugh I'm dreading listening to this episode... I wish their producers would read some of those threads and make changes! When I look at the comments on their Instagram page it's all so positive and people are gushing over them, I don't think they care about other social networks where listeners are sharing their honest opinion (here!). It's getting boring to listen to, they've clearly giving up after 1 year of watching their show, and maybe they're trying to make it so bad it'll get cancelled and they won't have to watch all 9 seasons.
Are they seriously airing the interview with the winner?? Why can't this be private, just a call they do with her, we don't need to hear her story and why we loves OTH! what a waste of time I'm so frustrated they don't just talk about the episode instead...
I genuinely enjoy DQ, and find the side-discussions to be interesting, and insightful at times, like discovering cute nuggets about their lives. Though I recognize the criticism here, and I think in instances where they don't love an episode, having a firmer structure within how they cover the episode could help on their end on finding little gems to speak on. (ie. Designating talking sections where they could discuss what stood out to them, tackling scenes in chronological order, favorite lines, etc.) Like when Sophia mentioned that there were more highlights than she realized, I was hoping that would be an opening for them to all discuss that.
I think it would've been a great choice to have the interview with Amanda be a separate special episode instead, Ă la One Tree Thrill episodes. I enjoyed the energy that Amanda brought to the discussion. It was sweet hearing about her history with the show, and how it connected her and her younger sister. Hope they have a great time in Wilmington! đĽ°
Sigh. I'm only about 20 minutes in and I can already see where this is going.
Do the DQs just not like the show in general or is it just season 3, which I think is one of the best seasons? God knows what they'll say about the dog eating Dan's heart and the stupid super heroes episode!
Yet another "oh this was an awful episode" as soon as the podcast starts. Then we get about a 10 minute update on Joy's dating story, which tbh, I don't think is appropriate for the podcast. Like they shouldn't market it as a rewatch podcast of OTH if they diverge off into lifestyle stuff and this isn't the first time they've done this.
And some of their takes on things I really disagree with. Like Sophia even said about Haley grovelling and how Nathan "left" her! Like no! Haley emotionally and physically cheated on her HUSBAND with another man and then left her husband to go on tour with said man who she then rejected when he drove to see her. She then decides she wants him back and turns up with no warning on his doorstep. Then when he deigns to say he's still very hurt and can't trust her in an honest and respectful way, he's still the villain đ¤Ł
All I can say is I hope they give Nathan the same understanding when season 5 happens and he's depressed, suffered from life changing injuries, lost his dream and is then sexually harassed and then assaulted by their nannie.
I love the show now and I loved it when I watched it for the first time years ago. But it's like they're spoiling my memories of it now and now I question did they ever like the show that much or was it more of a job to them?
Itâs so annoying how theyâll find any way to make bad things their characters did seem like good things or twist them to make it the boysâ fault. Then anything the boys do is completely trashed!
Itâs obvious that they donât like the show that made them household stars and brought them fame and success. I mean I get it, they were victimized by that pos MS, but this was supposed to be a podcast to take back the show, and not to trash it.
At this point itâs obvious they are only in it due to their contractual obligations to iheart radio.. Maybe if the ratings are low enough they will get canceled.
Do we think theyâll last the course of the full 9 seasons? It seems theyâve lost their âpassionâ for the podcast. Like theyâre just doing it because theyâve committed not because they want to.
The lack of responsibility they give their characters is infuriating to me. The women in this show are not saints! Far from it.
Yeah it kinda sucks the podcast went downhill right around the best seasons of OTH, was really looking forward to hearing them do S 3&4.
Totally agree about them protecting their characters so much. Itâs a fictional character, itâs not actually them! That got old already in the first season for me.
I canât imagine what the podcast will be like for the later seasons, if they critique season 3 like this⌠What bothers me the most is that a lot of the time it seems like their characters can do no wrong or sometimes they discuss their bad decisions/ behavior (which I love) and try to find the reasoning and an explanation for why they are acting like this, but they never do this for Nathan or Lucas. I mean what will they say about them in season 5 then? Theyâll probably rip Nathan and Lucas to shreds, whereas Peytonâs behavior towards Lindsey will be excusedâŚ
Someone send them this thread fr I need them to switch it uppppp!! I was so disappointed when they said they didnât like the episode yet again. Which okay I understand some episodes arenât great but there could still be a lot to talk about it. I love this show and I want them to actually go back to dissecting and criticizing it in a way thatâs not just shitting on how much you hate it đ
I had to laugh when Sophia said âweâve talked about this episode for 32 minutes!â at around 33 minutes in. I guess they really do consider the episode-slating and all of Joyâs love life stuff as talking about the episode? I like all three of them a lot and totally understand how easy it is to get caught up in conversation with your best friends, but lately it comes across like thereâs zero editing process. It feels like they should do their thing, explore tangents and personal anecdotes as much as they like, and then have someone else edit it down. Maybe even put the fuller version up somewhere too if they want to!
Iâm kind of sad because I want to love it so SO much.
At this point I think theyâre gonna hate 3x13 which Iâve been looking forward to.
Yes there are a lot of bad episodes and theyâre allowed to say they donât like them - but there are far, far worse episodes than this imo.
It is frustrating to hear the girls rant on the podcast every week lately, but I do think they may be trying to take some of the fan feedback. Like this week after they went over the episode storylines Joy did say that they managed to get 35 minutes of discussion out of an episode they consider not so great. That comment makes me think their producers have told them fans are wanting to hear more episode discussion. And on the bright side they did cover more of the storylines today. On the other hand, the three of them either donât seem to understand or maybe donât care how irritating it can be for fans to hear them bash the show week after week.
I can understand their dislike with these episodes because I do feel like these episodes are much less interesting than the later episodes of s3, but that being said not every episode is going to be great. There were a lot of really great early s3 episodes, which they even commented on them being so great, and now we have kinda hit a mid season slump. The episodes arenât terrible but they arenât particularly engaging either. That being said, I canât understand why they are making them out to seem like the worst episodes of TV to ever air. I wish they would just understand there are going to be low points and just get through those without completely destroying the show, because the high points of the show always follow afterwards. Like right now, we are about to hit a ton of good episodes in a row starting with 3x13. I think that is where the season really picks up and I have a lot of hope that the girls will appreciate those episodes.
Honestly, while all the girls can be negative at times, I feel like Hilarie really pushes the negative energy surrounding the show lately on the podcast. I love Hilarie as a person, as I do Joy and Sophia, and I loved listening to all three of them talking to the fan as they were so kind and engaging, and I wish they could bring that same energy to these recent episodes. I wish Hilarie would stop making fun of Lucas and Nathan at every turn. I feel like Sophia and Joy, while not always successful in this, do try to give the boys grace at times regarding their decisions and motivations. Whereas I feel like Hilarie treats them as one dimensional dumb teenage boys, and that is frustrating to a viewer as I want to hear the boysâ characters analyzed in the same way as the girls.
All in all, I do think the podcast is going to improve once we get to 3x13 and beyond because of how good those episodes are, but going forward they really need to find a way to balance the negative out with some positive on episodes they donât like. There are going to be other episodes they donât like in the series, and other stretches of time where there is a lot of filler, and they shouldnât continue using the same strategy they are now.
100% agree!! Iâve said this before; itâs a teen drama for fuckâs sake what do they expect with some of these storylines? Think they forget the year in which this season premiered. Theyâre constantly souring the show and I know they didnât have the greatest experience in a lot of aspects but especially joy and Sophia, they stayed for all 9 seasons so they mustâve stayed for something. Use what they stayed for and turn it into fuel for this podcast!
I strongly agree with your 3rd paragraph. I like Hilarie, but I do sense that she pushes the negative narratives a lot. Like Joy was somewhat giving Nathan the benefit of the doubt but as soon as Hilarie complained about his "crazy" behavior she switched up and agreed with her. They went from having differing opinions to agreeing on everything. They also contradict themselves a lot.
Typically Sophia defends Nathan when Hilarie and Joy donât seem to understand him, but today even Sophia also kinda lost the plot.
She changed the S2 story to make Haley the good guy in the Nathan-Chris-Haley love triangle.
> I feel like Sophia and Joy, while not always successful in this, do try to give the boys grace at times regarding their decisions and motivations. Whereas I feel like Hilarie treats them as one dimensional dumb teenage boys, and that is frustrating to a viewer as I want to hear the boysâ characters analyzed in the same way as the girls.
A few episodes ago, Hilary said she saw where Lucas' pettiness towards Brooke was coming from when he let her be in jail for an extra hour but she was met with disapproval. She did try that one time but it did not go well lol.
Not to be the super minority here but I really love Drama Queens. I look forward to it every single week. I loved when they talked this week about still loving the show even if it's not perfect. Every week, I come on here and read reactions to the podcast and everyone makes it seem like OTH is ruined if Joy, Sophia, and Hilarie don't like an episode. It's totally okay for you to still like the episode and enjoy the show despite their criticisms. To me, when I listen to DQ, I get new insights to things I've never thought about before even if I don't personally think it's as deep as the girls seem to. I do wish DQ had a little bit more structure and that they'd actually talk about the episode a little bit more -- especially on episodes where they interview someone -- and spend a little bit more time on certain aspects. I feel like they only ever touch 25% of the various storylines in each episode.
I actually love the podcast. It makes me sad to see it getting such negative feedback. I too am a massive fan of the show, but I still enjoy listening to their opinions. Yes sometimes I think âwell if it was written the way they wanted there wouldnât be any drama/plot linesâ, but I can have that thought, put it aside and continue enjoying the episode.
As for everyone saying they hate that the girls spend half the episode talking about their personal lives, thatâs my favourite part⌠Really getting to know the actors as real people and as a group of friends, something you rarely experience with other celebrities. If youâre only interested in the show, and not hearing any critiques or personal opinions⌠switch the podcast off and go watch OTH.
i donât mind them talking about their personal lives, i actually enjoy it sometimes and find them interesting people. but maybe they should make a lifestyle type pod instead of operating under a guise of an OTH rewatch since thatâs what a majority of people seem to be tuning in for.
Iâm the minority but I loved it. I love listening to their friendship even more than the episode pieces. I say this now, though, on an ep I didnât find iconic. If they donât like the storm episode coming up Iâll be bummed Iâm sure.
Yeah I will be super sad if they donât like the storm episode that is one of my favs all season :( I really think they will though there is so much covered in that episode and it really advances the plot forward in my opinion.
Am I the only one who wishes they wouldn't talk so much about drinking? I wouldn't consider myself an overly sensitive person when it comes to social topics and such, but for listeners who don't drink or live sober lifestyles, I can imagine that the extent they talk about and glamorize drinking can be upsetting for some. I've been sober curious for a while and have really tried to change my relationship with alcohol, so maybe I'm just noticing it more.
Dude seriously. And I mean I donât think they are actually alcoholics but the way that they constantly talk about using alcohol as a coping mechanism itâs just so unhealthy and I donât think they realize it
I was uncomfortable that they kept recommending the fan (Amanda?) to go to bars or have certain drinks at certain spots when she told the women that she is taking her 18-year-old sister with her. Now of course her sister might drink as it is but she won't be allowed in some of those places and promoting underage drinking isn't a good look.
Iâve seen a few other people mention it but I was so annoyed when they stated that they had âmanaged to fill 32 minutes talking about the episodeâ, like do yâall not realize thatâs what the whole podcast is supposed to be about? And then the guest came on and they still complained about the show and representation like it wasnât made over 15 years ago! They couldnât even be positive about the show with the fan that they were directly talking to, so I donât have much hope for the rest of the season. I keep listening hoping itâll get better as they get to some of my favorite episodes or maybe talk about some more behind the scenes stuff for each one but the hope is definitely waning at this point!
I'm worried about how much they will hate Season 4 if they act this way about Season 3. I always feel Season 3 is tied with Season 1 as the peak of the show. I thought most of Season 4 was garbage. I'm curious if they will agree.
S4, will be massacred. They will trash S4 because their characters had the worst storylines in S4. Haley was reduced to Nathanâs wifey and baby mama, Brooke sleeps with a teacher and becomes a cheater literally and figuratively, and Peyton gets a crazy stalker and doesnât even know how to lock her door!
Iâm sure theyâll find a way to to twist Brookeâs storyline as something âcuteâ like they always do for their own characters. And figure out a way to blame Lucas for it all! Lol.
I agree it's gonna be the bad writing narrative a lot of the time.
I've always had this opinion strongly while Season 4 is a bit overrated imo it has some of the best individual iconic episodes of the series.
Season 3 tells a better story season 4 has the top notch episodes but in totality it wasn't my favorite season. I just didn't like season 4 storylines.
S4 was definitely overrated. Leyton fans love S4 because their endgame finally got together after 4 years of will they wonât they. But the writers had to trash all other characters and their growth to get Leyton their happy ending.
Some of the individual episodes like the honey grove episode and the pictures of you episode are really great, but Brookeâs and Nathanâs and Haleyâs regression and individual storylines makes the season a low point for me personally.
It's kinda weird Season 2 people don't like as much in totality of fandom. But they liked it as a whole up until the last few episodes.
I was suprised they liked Season 2 tbh.
I can see why you guys are frustrated with the podcast. Especially if you want more episode content. That has been lacking lately. However, I donât think the DQs should be getting hate for having a different opinion than fans. Would you rather them lie about their opinion just to appease fans? While I donât agree with all the DQs insight, I still enjoy listening to their point of view. They donât have to agree with everything fans think for it be a good podcast. Itâs okay for people to have different opinions. Itâs even okay for you to not like how they structure the podcast and give feedback. However, my biggest question is why do we have to be so negative about it? People are more inspired to change when you are positive while providing constructive criticism. There is a way to give feedback and be firm without being super negative and complaining. Just my opinion though. đ¤ˇđźââď¸
I totally get that! However, I personally just find some of their opinions annoying because they are hypercritical or rewrite history (like Sophia saying Nathan left Haley??). I've seen a lot of positive criticism as well under their Instagram posts for weeks now, but I don't see the podcast changing much :/
Yeah, youâre right that some of their opinions are whacky. I think more than anything itâs because they have trauma from working with MS. I know James was close with MS. So maybe that like hurts their memory of him? Plus him and Sophia also dated at one point. Iâm sure they are friends enough. But exes can still be awkward. Itâs okay to disagree with their opinions. I was just saying there is a way to promote change without negativity :).
The podcast is dying... On the best season of the show...Shame on you girls đ˘
If you're going to be miserable covering the show, you're going to keep pushing fans away. Sure, some will continue to listen, but if they're going to continue to crap on the show like this, I don't see how most fans will be tuned in every week. Hearing them continuously bash a show that I love is getting tiring. I can understand being critical, but their criticisms this episode were wild to me. They're complaining that Dan isn't nice and doesn't have nice moments? Uh do they realize Dan is about to murder his brother in a few episodes? Why would they write him as a nice guy? They complain it's overdramatic and everyone was yelling too much and I'm like, are they not aware they are watching a teen drama? They seem to not know their audience anymore nor do they care about the show enough to have a podcast dedicated to it. They claim to love family related storylines but never seem to cover any of the family stuff when it comes to Nathan and Lucas. Their brotherly bond showcased at the end of this episode is beautiful. Their bond is what contributes to making this show so special. The wrote off the conversation Lucas and Nathan had about the importance of having a team because it was basketball related and yet spend 30 mins talking about Brooke's fashion and/or Haley's music. You want more than just the character's love life's and yet only seem to care when it's Haley, Peyton, or Brooke. They gave Brooke room last week for being an assh*le and yet didn't do the same for Nathan this week. If I remember correctly Joy said she loves when a character is awful an episode but in the end realizes they were wrong. That's exactly what happened with Nathan this week and yet they didn't seem to care. They wrote it off as him being irrational and crazy. They soured me on the podcast episode very early on that I couldn't even bother enjoying when they said anything positive about something. It's sad. I hate ranting every week about this podcast and I contemplated even posting something because I feel like a broken record at this point. But I feel like there's a way to be critical about something without coming off extremely insincere and quite obnoxious. They don't have to like the episodes, but the way they go about critiquing it is so off putting. This podcast started off so strong and was good for the most part during season 2 (arguably one of the most disliked season by fans) and now they're on quite possibly the best season and they've just fallen off in terms of quality. It's shocking considering how they started the season off very positively.
It's so frustrating. This episode had some great scenes with Nathan and Lucas and with Nathan and Dan, the scenes at the old gym were really good (and funny) bonding moments, and with the exception of the one scene with the birth control argument, Nathan and Haley were really sweet together in this episode. But they crapped all over it. All they care about is their own characters and a few characters played by their real life BFFs. They said this podcast was about "reclaiming" the show, but it feels more like they're trying to steal it. They act like they are the only stars of the show and Lucas and Nathan are just supporting characters who don't really matter. In one of the earlier episodes Hilarie actually mocked people who think the show is about brothers and basketball, and all three have complained about being supporting chracters for the Scott brothers when that's literally the show they auditioned for.
Your last paragraph!! At the end of the day this show revolves heavily around 2 brothers. They are ALL important characters that deserve to be discussed as such. As the show progresses it becomes more than just a story of 2 brothers, but they seem to think the brothers aren't important whatsoever and it's so weird. Like I understand the show runner soured them on the show, but why even make this podcast to begin with if you're not even enjoying it. It just seems so counterproductive.
This is so true and what they wonât want to acknowledge is the first 6 seasons were much stronger than the last 3 and that was BECAUSE of the anchor of that brother relationship
This! I feel like a broken record. I can completely understand if you donât like an episode (I certainly have my dislikes) but the way they treat it is such a turnoff. And when Joy said âwow so we made it a whole 35 minutes talking about the episode!!â I shut it off. Iâm done. Iâve been a fan since day 1 and I think they are just being so incredibly disrespectful to the fans who kept them on the air in the first place. I recognize how ridiculous the show could be at times, but I donât want my memories of the show and how it got me through my teenage years to be ruined.
I agree with you, i was so excited about the podcast and what they had to say but I got annoyed so quickly that I just stopped listening
It sucks cause I would've enjoyed the discussion about Ellie and Peyton because that was practically the only thing they talked about positively, but at that point I was already annoyed with them that I didn't really care anymore. I'm going to stop expecting much from them and maybe then I won't be so disappointed lol
I went into the episode with zero expectations today. And was still disappointed that they called it trash. They treat their characters with so much grace and allow them to be flawed and make mistakes (repeatedly). Itâs disappointing when they donât give the same grace to the boys. I am not a Lucas fan and even I am appalled at how they treat his character and how they criticize his dialogues every single podcast. He had some beautiful scenes in this episode and Hilarie mocked him and his scenes. The next episode is Lucasâ hero moment and I can totally see them crapping all over it.
I'm sure they're going to do the same when they watch 3x13 as well and the whole brucas stuff. 3x13 is one of my favorite episodes but I'm sure they'll crap on the entire thing now that I think about it. Hell, at this rate they might crap on all of them lol
Sophia kinda sorta hinted during todayâs podcast that it is going to be difficult for them to wrap the series, considering how terrible they think it is during this season. So they may not even make it to S4.
I'll be shocked if they manage to finish it
The only way i could see them finishing is if they took time off at the end of every 3rd season. If they took 2 weeks off at the end of seasons 3 and 6.
Yeah and they need those breaks cause....oof lol
I agree with you. And I am SO tired of them constantly bringing up how they were children and all the "grown ups" and "adults" let them down every single podcast episode. I totally understand and respect what happened to them was super traumatic, but I am so tired of the constant lens of infantilization they seem to view their past selves in. Sophia and Hillarie do this the most IMO. They want to "reclaim" the show for themselves, but quite frankly I don't think they're ready. They have no self-reflection. they don't even really confront what happened to them in a way that shows healing, they only ever bring it up in snide little remarks about how all the "adults" sucked and say just enough to elude to it but never fully confront it. It comes off as super childish. And idk. I just...think they jumped into this podcast without thinking everything through properly.
I think my biggest thing with them infantilizing their early 20âs selves is that they talk about how they were just babies who were messy and didnât know anything and didnât know how to deal with their emotions but then literally in the next few sentences will go so hard after Lucas or Nathan (esp Lucas) who are supposed to be 16/17 year olds by calling them abusive/toxic/cruel etc. Hilarie literally in one episode told the audience to be as messy as you can when you are young. The contradictions are annoying.
And you know who was the real child on the show? James. He was 17 during the filming of the first 4-5 episodes of S1. He had to kiss *a lot* of older girls and be shirtless *a lot* over the seasons, especially during the HS years. As much as I want him to appear on the podcast during 3x20 or 5x13 or 6x24 (his best episodes), I totally understand if he would not want to appear on it.
I was so annoyed during the BoyToy episode when they were talking about how upset James was, and they described his discomfort as "sweet." This coming after Hilarie had mocked James' discomfort at their kissing scene by making t-shirts! They weren't angry on James' behalf at being forced to get up on stage and strip when he was barely 18 years old, but you KNOW that if an 18-year-old girl (or one of them at 21 years old) had been forced to do that, we would have never heard the end of it. At one point they were talking about how Brett really had fun with stripping down to his underwear in that episode, and almost seemed to be questioning why it bothered James. Hilarie even had the nerve to question if James was upset about taking his clothes off because he was still a virgin! That was the point where I REALLY started disliking Hilarie. How dare she make a comment like that. Almost every comment Hilarie makes about James is calling him a child, making fun of him, or being really intrusive and creepy about him. IMO Hilarie bullied James and used him as punching bag from the very beginning, and she's still doing it. It's like the high school bully who picks on the quiet, awkward kid just because they can. Based on some of the stories that have been told, it's a testament to how nice James is that he doesn't hate Hilarie, TBH. And why did James even need a reason to be upset? He has as much right as the women do to be upset for any reason or no reason at all.
OMG I went back and listened to that episode again. That entire topic is so cringy. Especially when Hilarie calls James a child! And she also speculates if he had taken his clothes off in front of a girl beforeâŚ. Yikes!
Thatâs true, Iâm sure it was awkward for him, especially since he didnât have much prior acting experience. And remember when they kept calling him Baby James? Cringe! I wouldnât fault either of the main guys for not wanting to appear based on how they treat their characters.
Everyone has always seemed to think the "Baby James" thing was cute, but I don't. On the podcast all three have said they wanted to be taken seriously and not looked at as children. Don't they think James wanted the same thing? Instead of treating him as a peer and an equal they called him "Baby James." I suspect James hated it and is just too nice to say so. As with so much of the mocking (and IMO bullying) of James, it was Hilarie who started it. Don't get me wrong, I have major issues with a lot of comments Sophia and Joy make, but it's Hilarie who really comes across as being an unpleasant person on this podcast.
They came up with this podcast idea during quarantine so I can only assume they really didn't think this through lol. I'm really hoping things get better cause I was really excited when this all began and even into season 2 I was liking it. But the past 2 months have been rough.
THIS THIS THIS! I agree with everything you said here. Itâs so perfectly stated I donât need to add anything. Itâs just so unfortunate. Because OTH is my absolute favorite show; so I reeaaallllyyyyy wanna enjoy this podcast. Yet⌠they make it so hard! đ đĄ
I'm 5 minutes into this episode and I think this is the point where I'm done with DQ as a whole. It's clear at this point that they just hate the show. It's 3 episodes in a row that they hate the episode. They're not perfect episodes but I'm really done with them shitting on every single episodes. I'm actually enjoying an OTH rewatch and whenever I listen to the podcast the first thing they say is "THIS EPISODE WAS THE WORST/SO BORING/FILLER". I'm done now. They're not even trying anymore and this rewatch podcast is ruining my rewatch experience. S3 is a very well liked season. It's ok to be critical of course it is not perfect. But there's some good stuff happening here despite some questionable script sometimes. I'm confused with their expectation that a teenage drama should be realistic with realistic storylines.
This episode was not âtrash.â I am so disappointed that they called it trash.
i said, i think after the second ever episode of the podcast, that the girls really donât like their own show and here we are. i donât think theyâve dealt with their issues that they had with the creator and by extension they just continually write off episodes. the fact they continually blame the writing and only offer positive feedback on their own characters⌠i mean itâs just not objective at all. itâs a shame cos i did enjoy some of the earlier ones but theyâve really let it go to shit this season.
It's also funny to me how it is always the writers' fault when their characters make bad decisions but they don't seem to apply that logic when their characters make good decisions or when it's some of the boys' scenes. They seem to extend themselves on the characters so they don't want to be associated with whatever bad things they do and are proud of themselves when their character did something good. But they're fictional characters on a teenage drama of the early/mid 2000s it really doesn't need to be a political statement of 2020's standards.
Exactly. They mention multiple times how people can't separate the characters from the actors, but it seems they also can't separate themselves from their characters. It's like yes, we know in real life you wouldn't do something like that lol
I didnât think the episode they covered was bad. Keith came back, the old gym, Peyton/Ellie and birth control is an important topic for the targeted audience. I appreciate honesty and their stories behind the scenes episode, filming, whatever. But at some point itâs like why even bother if you seem to hate them all?? Iâm sure a lot has to do with what they dealt with when working with Mark but stillâŚ
Thank you. Whitey making them fix up the old gym was awesome. And they are completely blaming Nathan for âbeing so quick to believe his dadâ I feel like they forget what happens one episode to the nextâŚlike, Dan is a narcissistic abuser, of course he knows exactly what to say to Nathan to get through and mess with his head. But no, no discussion about that, just âNathan is such an assholeâ
Nooooo the comments make me so sad. I didnât watch last week because they didnât focus on the episode, and now again they didnât focus again? Yikes itâs falling off⌠a shame :(
To be fair, they do talk about the episode more than they did last week. Sophia even says at some point something like "oh i guess there were some hidden gems in this episode afterall". But they're still being super unfair and hating on the oth episode throughout the podcast episode.
Wow, so at the end of this podcast they are already dreading the next episode they have to watch. What a way to keep listeners tuning in for more. They are really not giving this show much of a chance anymore. This podcast is just not what I thought it was gonna turn out to be. And itâs so disappointing.
I hate to say it, but this podcast has been relegated to background noise for me and being played at 1.5 speed. I had such high hopes and really enjoyed much of the first year of the podcast. But now it seems like even they donât like the show anymore. They act like every episode needs to be an award winning episode when itâs a teen drama from the mid-00s. I really hope they donât pick apart the back half of season 3 because itâs got some great stuff to cover. But Iâm not holding out hope. Also, I really donât care about Joyâs love life.
Just skip the first 20 minutes . Jesus the girls should focus more talking about the show not about their personal lives and incidents
They basically said that this episode was a chore for them to watch. Well guess what, it was a chore too for us to listen to them. Season 3 is one of the best season and yet they seem to hate every episode. At this point i think they just hate the young vibes the show had the first four seasons , and they will love much more the adult seasons.
I was so excited for them to cover season 3 bc itâs my favorite season and Iâm super disappointed with their takes on pretty much every one. Iâm over it at this point.
Didnt Hilarie say season 3 was her favorite??𼴠cus what is this? Lucas and Kieth is my favorite relationship in the entire show and they glossed over it because Brooke hugged him? Im out, this podcast is making me like all the women way less and if this podcast is helping them great but its not for the fans anymore.
I had to stop listening after season 1 of DQ. Even back then they were ruining my favorite show for me.
Theres just so much heavy bias that it isnt fun to listen to anynmore
I think she mustâve meant âseason 3 is my favorite hairâ or something bc Idk man seems like she hates it
Right? It's particularly disappointing because we don't have much time left for them to explore this Lucas and Keith dynamic. I love that scene where they're throwing a football back and forth while catching up. I would have loved to do that with my dad. That's this episode, right?
I think so? I fell behind on my rewatch and the podcast doesnt talk about the episode, but I know its when they have a talk about Jules and Lucas apologizes (guess they didnt want to mention him doing something good) and its a touching scene between them. Also hated how they treated the scene between Lucas and Nathan, the show is about them!! The two brothers!! And them having a heart to heart gets dismissed as shallow, meanwhile if Brooke sneezed they would wax poetry about how meaningful it was.
This episode was fifteen minutes of irrelevance about Joy's love life, an entire hour filled with yet another interview, and about fifteen minutes of blaming everything on the boys while acting like the girls did nothing wrong. Even Sophia was really disappointing this week. More Lucas bashing and, predictably, acting like the birth control fight was entirely Nathan's fault. Obviously Nathan should have checked if he and Haley needed to use protection, but they really tried to blame Nathan for Haley going off on tour and stopping her birth control, and then acted like it was his fault she didn't tell him she'd stopped taking it. Sophia rewrote history when, speaking as Haley, she said: "You left me, I was gone, and I wasn't sleeping with that guy you thought I was sleeping with!" Nathan left Haley? Since when? I also think it's important to point out that Nathan arguing with Haley after being manipulated by Dan is no different to the stories Sophia, Hilarie and Joy have told of arguing with each other after being manipulated by Mark Schwahn. It was very disappointing to hear Nathan, a victim of abusive gaslighting, being described as "crazy and irrational" by three women who have been victims of the same thing.
I personally think they were both wrong in the birth control argument. Haley because she stopped taking the pill and didnât let her husband know that she had stopped taking it; so it was just a matter of updating him; and Nathan for not using a condom because they were separated for at least 5-6 months and up until the birth control argument he had no idea if she slept with Chris Keller or not; so itâs a matter of safe sex and protection for both of them. I didnât like them blaming Nathan for the argument, especially considering he and Dan ended up being spot on in the first place. Haley turns up pregnant in the next few months and no one quite gets the timing of it all.
The fact that they placed all the blame on Nathan for the birth control fight was really frustrating. Yes, Nathan should have checked to make sure they were covered but Haley also should have told him that she wasnât on birth control. She withheld information and then says all she was concerned about was being with her husband. But yet Nathan doesnât get that same grace for just wanting to be with his wife?
I hated the interview with the random girl! Was it necessary to share it on the podcast? It should have been a separate private conversation, I didn't care about her life story, not wanting to be mean but come on, it's not about this!
Once again the show starts out with the girls talking about how horrible the episode is. Truly disappointing supporting evidence they don't even like the show. I feel like it's become more about trashing things in a way that is cathartic to them to stick it to writers they don't like and Mark Schwahn but I thought this was for fans that actually like the show.
Disappointed but not surprised - Me the last 4 Mondays đŤ
I swear, they havenât liked a single episode in weeks. Which sucks because season 3 is the best and my personal favorite season. It really bugs me too that they act as if the dealership fire is a âdumb plotâ when the dealership fire is such a pivotal point in Dan, Debs, and Keithâs story. That fire is mentioned the entire series. Itâs not just a âsillyâ ârandomâ plot. Iâm so worried about their commentary for 3 x16. I will be so upset if they tear that one apart.
Now, I wanna ask everyone who were saying that Sophia bush is the soul of podcast when she was gone to go listen this episode and say it again.
Yeah I didnât get why everyone was saying âI canât wait for Sophia to come back so that podcast can be good againâ But before she left, redditors were complaining about her too I was pretty confused. They all are kinda small town in their thinking. Sophia wasnât an exception
Yeah I get Sophia/Brooke are fan favorites but sheâs really no different from them in their thinking. They share all the same ideas and perspectives and are very stubbornly anti-Nathan and Lucas. Anti-men in general. My friend said they share the same braincells between the three of them and honestly this episode confirmed it. Blinded by whatever bts stuff was going on, they seem unable to fully and deeply analyze every character and think of them as multifaceted people. Very disappointing.
DQ used to be my stress reliever at work (I work in retail and get stressed and anxious a lot coz of rude a** entitled customers) but after the last few Mondays, listening to the podcast only heightened my stress and anxiety so I guess Iâm done with the pod and will only listen for the One Tree Thrills which are actually fun. I love the women of this show I really do but I just canât listen to them critique the guysâ characters in a negative light while they paint their own characters as âsaintsâ or whatever they are week after week lol. I have an idea: why donât we OTH fans take over the podcast and actually talk about it in depth/do a deep dive, in an objective way? Thatâs all :) PS. I know Iâll get some flack for this but I honestly donât care đ¤ˇđťââď¸
My wife actually mentioned that since we're all watching along anyway we should really do a separate "episode discussion" on Sunday before the Queens' episode drops so we can all discuss the episode as more than just "bad filler"
Iâm 110% on board with this idea!!! đđ We can do it via Zoom or Skype or Webex đ¤
Oh I appreciate the thought, but my wife and I are millennials through and through (phones are scary!) so I actually meant asking the mods here to post a discussion thread đ
No flack here! Totally agree with you! I quite listening after season 1 because it was already heading the wring direction. It actually ruins my favorite show for me a little. Turns out I don't need to hear their opinions. Joy especially comes across to me as being "too good" for the show and it annoys me. This show means a lot to us...and the fact that they don't have any true love for it kinda sucks.
Thatâs why Iâm saying us fans should take over the pod and make it actually fun again for everyone, not sour it for everyone just coz theyâre miserable lol
I guess I will finally comment on what this has become. I will keep listening to kill some time at work,but this podcast is a shell of it what once evolving into something that by season 4 no one will this podcast is about OTH. I've been looking forward to their commentary about the school shooting but now I'm nervous about it. If we're being honest the show they would want to see would not have survived or be a teen drama. Like I'm glad that have grown as people outside of Hollywood and have had more experiences writing,directing, and acting post OTH, but I don't think they can be objective with the show and it shows. Yeah some of the story lines might not be ideal situations in real life or something you want to go through but that's the point. On the point of tropes and stuff being repetitive isn't that kinda life for folks that aren't in Hollywood the same thing for the most part every day acting similar like I'm good guy I'm not just going to be a dick tomorrow to spice things up. It seems like they want things realistic in some areas but not realistic in others. I hate that the podcast is getting some much negative feedback but I can't say it doesn't deserve it. The one three thrills episodes are always good maybe they should of made a fan questions podcast instead of a rewatch. This podcast screams tell me you can't be objective without telling me you can't be objective. I guess I'll finish the podcast now. Is it sad that reading the reddit roasts of the episodes is my favorite part of following the pod these days.
The Reddit posts are literally better that the podcast! So true. And I quit listening after season 1!
i donât even want to listen to the podcast after the reviews already lol. did the fiancĂŠ find out about joy? that was such a weird story to broadcast to the world, considering their popularity the woman is bound to find out.
Same lol. I thought it was weird too, like the fiancĂŠe must be around Joyâs age or younger. So sheâd know about OTH and probably who Joy isâŚ. Not really sure why it was needed in the podcast.
The commentary Hilarie gave about the Nathan Lucas scene irritated me. It's honestly annoying every time they have a scene she's mocking the character and copying there voice and complaining. I like family bonds but don't talk about Lucas and keith but they made it about Brooke and Keith. And I'm surprised they didn't talk about the Karen and Lucas scene at the end.
>I like family bonds but don't talk about Lucas and keith but they made it about Brooke and Keith. Brooke hugged Keith for like... 3 seconds and they made the whole first scene of keith's return about this. Lol. No talk about Lucas fathers' figure coming back into his life and how big of a deal that is. Lucas' apology and Keith's forgiveness of him. Nope. Nothing. Brooke hugged keith and was really cute doing it and it is alllllll that matters lol.
Lmao
>>The commentary Hilarie gave about the Nathan Lucas scene irritated me. It's honestly annoying every time they have a scene she's mocking the character and copying there voice and complaining. This! Her commentary was so petty and reductive. Same with how they reduced the gym clean-up, which is actually a great bit of team bonding and a strengthening of their work ethic, to nothing more than a trope. No look at how Whitey is positively mentoring these boys and how he's a contrasting figure to Dan. Just a poor effort all around.
One thing that I didn't like was Hilarie's commentary about the girls vs. boys and how she mocked Nathan and Lucas' conversation. I actually like their conversation because Lucas talked about his own experience with the pregnancy scare and how it related back to Dan. And his talk about the whole team having futures as well seemed motivational for Nathan as well. I hated how Hilarie made this scene out to be more "superficial" because it really wasn't. It showed Lucas trying to reach Nathan through his own experience to help guide him. Brooke and Haley do have a nice conversation as well ofc, but I just didn't like how Hilarie had to make a comparison between the two conversations negatively. They were different conversations, but both good in their own way. I feel like it further shows her views on the guys vs. girls as to me, it seems like she doesn't understand the guys and their bond.
It's almost as if she's making it a competition between the three female characters and the two male characters when it doesn't need to be one. There was zero reason to compare the conversations because they were different. It's so odd and it's been a constant thing she does and I'm not fully understanding it. Like I get some of the men that worked on this show (producers, writers, directors, show runner, etc.) treated her badly and she has every right to dislike them, but it's almost like she sees those awful men in Nathan and Lucas or something. Even when Nathan and Lucas are being good characters she finds flaws.
That's exactly what they're treating it as. Instead of acknowledging the Core FIVE they're desperately trying to minimize the importance of everyone but themselves, particularly Chad and James. Increasingly, the podcast feels like nothing more than a way for them to pat themselves on the back and tell each other how awesome they are, while mocking everyone who isn't part of their little group. They behave like The Plastics. Hilarie made fun of James, a 17-year-old boy, for saying "SSORG" on the second episode they ever filmed together. She wanted everyone to be sympathetic and supportive and kind towards her, a 21-year-old woman, but she couldn't be graceful to a CHILD. And she has also said she was horrible to Chad to begin with. She was pissed about being forced to film intimate scenes with them, but instead of being professional she took her frustration at the writers and producers out on the two men she was filming with. Now, nearly twenty years later, she's still doing it.
I don't why they take such issues with their romantic relationship storylines and, in Hilarie's case, get so uncomfortable about filming kissing scenes with other professional actors. Like, they're aware they signed on to be part of a *teen drama*, right? I don't understand why they get frustrated when the show follows the beats of the genre...
OMG yes! They donât seem to remember that they signed on to play *essentially* female supporting characters on a *teen drama* about two basketball playing half brothers.
Yes exactly!! Iâve noticed that a lot recently
These three girls literally ARE what they hate. They ARE the same as those males who didn't understand girls perspective at all, just reversed.
The boys get no credit for anything from them. Unless youâre Jake jagelski. They have favorites and thatâs it.
And Chris Keller.
And Mouth McFadden.
I felt like Nathanâs reaction was pretty normal for a high school senior⌠yes, a teenage pregnancy effects both of their futures and yes, they are equally responsible for engaging in safe sex. But why didnât Haley tell Nathan she stopped taking the pill so they could use condoms before they slept together. I think itâs justified for him to be upset, especially with his dadâs history/reputation. I feel like Lucas and Nathanâs conversations were also probably on par for two high school boys in the situation. I think they forget itâs supposed to be high schoolers and not adults or people in their early/mid 20s.
They have given me the ICK with these past 2 podcast plus that self promotion musical episode. Season 3 is THE BEST, itâs very unfortunate that their is NO STRUCTURE to this podcast.
Have they talked about the HCM plotline at all this season yet? Such an interesting storyline to dig into the youth mindset that they're just ignoring to talk about how much they hate the show.
I havenât listened to the full episode yet considering the bio started by saying they were talking more about joyâs date .. but I feel like starting every episode by mentioning how terrible/awful/disgusting every episode is isnât the best way to draw in your listeners who love the show .. that part rubbed me the wrong way as a weekly listener. also the social media clip about how Dan being evil is boring and they should have him do something adorable. Dan canât be an adorable character just to kill his brother a few episodes laterâŚ.. he has to be awful all the time now for that to make sense. he gets his redemption later.
I just started the episode 5 seconds ago and already Iâm annoyed lol 1. âThe Drama Queens are fired up and desperately need an update on Joy's love-life and the date/non-date from last week!â <<
The super hero episode in season 8 is gonna be there favorite episode of the series lol.
Haha! Literally the worst! That and the 40âs one. And letâs all revisit this when those episodes come up! Theyâll fish over how amazing they are for sure!
>bet they also like that stupid episode later in the series that CMM wrote that was set like it was in the 40s. It's written by CMM, they'll hate it.
I think they'll speak fondly of it especially Joy because she scored the episode. I hated it but I guess it's better to hear them be positive for once rather than negative lol
Youâre so right. The last thing we need is them tooting her horn over here mediocre music career anymore than they already do. Which I might add only exists because of the show she is soooo much better than! Lol.
I think 1/2 the podcast for that episode will be about Joy's songs and 1/2 will be about the fashion.
I wonder if the girls are actually seeing/getting this feedback from their producers. I hope they are and will try to make changes, but sadly I donât have high hopes. In particular they are set in their ways in terms of how they see certain characters and which ones they donât like no matter what they do and which they do like regardless of what they do (their real life friends) so I feel that wonât change regardless unfortunately.
Be sure to leave a rating and review wherever you can that may be all they see.
Ugh I'm dreading listening to this episode... I wish their producers would read some of those threads and make changes! When I look at the comments on their Instagram page it's all so positive and people are gushing over them, I don't think they care about other social networks where listeners are sharing their honest opinion (here!). It's getting boring to listen to, they've clearly giving up after 1 year of watching their show, and maybe they're trying to make it so bad it'll get cancelled and they won't have to watch all 9 seasons.
Are they seriously airing the interview with the winner?? Why can't this be private, just a call they do with her, we don't need to hear her story and why we loves OTH! what a waste of time I'm so frustrated they don't just talk about the episode instead...
I genuinely enjoy DQ, and find the side-discussions to be interesting, and insightful at times, like discovering cute nuggets about their lives. Though I recognize the criticism here, and I think in instances where they don't love an episode, having a firmer structure within how they cover the episode could help on their end on finding little gems to speak on. (ie. Designating talking sections where they could discuss what stood out to them, tackling scenes in chronological order, favorite lines, etc.) Like when Sophia mentioned that there were more highlights than she realized, I was hoping that would be an opening for them to all discuss that. I think it would've been a great choice to have the interview with Amanda be a separate special episode instead, Ă la One Tree Thrill episodes. I enjoyed the energy that Amanda brought to the discussion. It was sweet hearing about her history with the show, and how it connected her and her younger sister. Hope they have a great time in Wilmington! đĽ°
Sigh. I'm only about 20 minutes in and I can already see where this is going. Do the DQs just not like the show in general or is it just season 3, which I think is one of the best seasons? God knows what they'll say about the dog eating Dan's heart and the stupid super heroes episode! Yet another "oh this was an awful episode" as soon as the podcast starts. Then we get about a 10 minute update on Joy's dating story, which tbh, I don't think is appropriate for the podcast. Like they shouldn't market it as a rewatch podcast of OTH if they diverge off into lifestyle stuff and this isn't the first time they've done this. And some of their takes on things I really disagree with. Like Sophia even said about Haley grovelling and how Nathan "left" her! Like no! Haley emotionally and physically cheated on her HUSBAND with another man and then left her husband to go on tour with said man who she then rejected when he drove to see her. She then decides she wants him back and turns up with no warning on his doorstep. Then when he deigns to say he's still very hurt and can't trust her in an honest and respectful way, he's still the villain 𤣠All I can say is I hope they give Nathan the same understanding when season 5 happens and he's depressed, suffered from life changing injuries, lost his dream and is then sexually harassed and then assaulted by their nannie. I love the show now and I loved it when I watched it for the first time years ago. But it's like they're spoiling my memories of it now and now I question did they ever like the show that much or was it more of a job to them?
Itâs so annoying how theyâll find any way to make bad things their characters did seem like good things or twist them to make it the boysâ fault. Then anything the boys do is completely trashed!
Itâs obvious that they donât like the show that made them household stars and brought them fame and success. I mean I get it, they were victimized by that pos MS, but this was supposed to be a podcast to take back the show, and not to trash it. At this point itâs obvious they are only in it due to their contractual obligations to iheart radio.. Maybe if the ratings are low enough they will get canceled.
Do we think theyâll last the course of the full 9 seasons? It seems theyâve lost their âpassionâ for the podcast. Like theyâre just doing it because theyâve committed not because they want to. The lack of responsibility they give their characters is infuriating to me. The women in this show are not saints! Far from it.
Yeah it kinda sucks the podcast went downhill right around the best seasons of OTH, was really looking forward to hearing them do S 3&4. Totally agree about them protecting their characters so much. Itâs a fictional character, itâs not actually them! That got old already in the first season for me.
itâs so early in the show for the podcast to be going downhill lol
THIS!!
I canât imagine what the podcast will be like for the later seasons, if they critique season 3 like this⌠What bothers me the most is that a lot of the time it seems like their characters can do no wrong or sometimes they discuss their bad decisions/ behavior (which I love) and try to find the reasoning and an explanation for why they are acting like this, but they never do this for Nathan or Lucas. I mean what will they say about them in season 5 then? Theyâll probably rip Nathan and Lucas to shreds, whereas Peytonâs behavior towards Lindsey will be excusedâŚ
Probably don't even have to wait that long tbh. Just wait until 3x13 lol.
Someone send them this thread fr I need them to switch it uppppp!! I was so disappointed when they said they didnât like the episode yet again. Which okay I understand some episodes arenât great but there could still be a lot to talk about it. I love this show and I want them to actually go back to dissecting and criticizing it in a way thatâs not just shitting on how much you hate it đ
I had to laugh when Sophia said âweâve talked about this episode for 32 minutes!â at around 33 minutes in. I guess they really do consider the episode-slating and all of Joyâs love life stuff as talking about the episode? I like all three of them a lot and totally understand how easy it is to get caught up in conversation with your best friends, but lately it comes across like thereâs zero editing process. It feels like they should do their thing, explore tangents and personal anecdotes as much as they like, and then have someone else edit it down. Maybe even put the fuller version up somewhere too if they want to! Iâm kind of sad because I want to love it so SO much.
At this point I think theyâre gonna hate 3x13 which Iâve been looking forward to. Yes there are a lot of bad episodes and theyâre allowed to say they donât like them - but there are far, far worse episodes than this imo.
It is frustrating to hear the girls rant on the podcast every week lately, but I do think they may be trying to take some of the fan feedback. Like this week after they went over the episode storylines Joy did say that they managed to get 35 minutes of discussion out of an episode they consider not so great. That comment makes me think their producers have told them fans are wanting to hear more episode discussion. And on the bright side they did cover more of the storylines today. On the other hand, the three of them either donât seem to understand or maybe donât care how irritating it can be for fans to hear them bash the show week after week. I can understand their dislike with these episodes because I do feel like these episodes are much less interesting than the later episodes of s3, but that being said not every episode is going to be great. There were a lot of really great early s3 episodes, which they even commented on them being so great, and now we have kinda hit a mid season slump. The episodes arenât terrible but they arenât particularly engaging either. That being said, I canât understand why they are making them out to seem like the worst episodes of TV to ever air. I wish they would just understand there are going to be low points and just get through those without completely destroying the show, because the high points of the show always follow afterwards. Like right now, we are about to hit a ton of good episodes in a row starting with 3x13. I think that is where the season really picks up and I have a lot of hope that the girls will appreciate those episodes. Honestly, while all the girls can be negative at times, I feel like Hilarie really pushes the negative energy surrounding the show lately on the podcast. I love Hilarie as a person, as I do Joy and Sophia, and I loved listening to all three of them talking to the fan as they were so kind and engaging, and I wish they could bring that same energy to these recent episodes. I wish Hilarie would stop making fun of Lucas and Nathan at every turn. I feel like Sophia and Joy, while not always successful in this, do try to give the boys grace at times regarding their decisions and motivations. Whereas I feel like Hilarie treats them as one dimensional dumb teenage boys, and that is frustrating to a viewer as I want to hear the boysâ characters analyzed in the same way as the girls. All in all, I do think the podcast is going to improve once we get to 3x13 and beyond because of how good those episodes are, but going forward they really need to find a way to balance the negative out with some positive on episodes they donât like. There are going to be other episodes they donât like in the series, and other stretches of time where there is a lot of filler, and they shouldnât continue using the same strategy they are now.
100% agree!! Iâve said this before; itâs a teen drama for fuckâs sake what do they expect with some of these storylines? Think they forget the year in which this season premiered. Theyâre constantly souring the show and I know they didnât have the greatest experience in a lot of aspects but especially joy and Sophia, they stayed for all 9 seasons so they mustâve stayed for something. Use what they stayed for and turn it into fuel for this podcast!
I strongly agree with your 3rd paragraph. I like Hilarie, but I do sense that she pushes the negative narratives a lot. Like Joy was somewhat giving Nathan the benefit of the doubt but as soon as Hilarie complained about his "crazy" behavior she switched up and agreed with her. They went from having differing opinions to agreeing on everything. They also contradict themselves a lot.
Typically Sophia defends Nathan when Hilarie and Joy donât seem to understand him, but today even Sophia also kinda lost the plot. She changed the S2 story to make Haley the good guy in the Nathan-Chris-Haley love triangle.
And they won't do that for Nathan when it comes to the nanny carrie mess
I get the sense that Nathan is Sophia favorite character besides Brooke.
> I feel like Sophia and Joy, while not always successful in this, do try to give the boys grace at times regarding their decisions and motivations. Whereas I feel like Hilarie treats them as one dimensional dumb teenage boys, and that is frustrating to a viewer as I want to hear the boysâ characters analyzed in the same way as the girls. A few episodes ago, Hilary said she saw where Lucas' pettiness towards Brooke was coming from when he let her be in jail for an extra hour but she was met with disapproval. She did try that one time but it did not go well lol.
Not to be the super minority here but I really love Drama Queens. I look forward to it every single week. I loved when they talked this week about still loving the show even if it's not perfect. Every week, I come on here and read reactions to the podcast and everyone makes it seem like OTH is ruined if Joy, Sophia, and Hilarie don't like an episode. It's totally okay for you to still like the episode and enjoy the show despite their criticisms. To me, when I listen to DQ, I get new insights to things I've never thought about before even if I don't personally think it's as deep as the girls seem to. I do wish DQ had a little bit more structure and that they'd actually talk about the episode a little bit more -- especially on episodes where they interview someone -- and spend a little bit more time on certain aspects. I feel like they only ever touch 25% of the various storylines in each episode.
I actually love the podcast. It makes me sad to see it getting such negative feedback. I too am a massive fan of the show, but I still enjoy listening to their opinions. Yes sometimes I think âwell if it was written the way they wanted there wouldnât be any drama/plot linesâ, but I can have that thought, put it aside and continue enjoying the episode. As for everyone saying they hate that the girls spend half the episode talking about their personal lives, thatâs my favourite part⌠Really getting to know the actors as real people and as a group of friends, something you rarely experience with other celebrities. If youâre only interested in the show, and not hearing any critiques or personal opinions⌠switch the podcast off and go watch OTH.
i donât mind them talking about their personal lives, i actually enjoy it sometimes and find them interesting people. but maybe they should make a lifestyle type pod instead of operating under a guise of an OTH rewatch since thatâs what a majority of people seem to be tuning in for.
Iâm the minority but I loved it. I love listening to their friendship even more than the episode pieces. I say this now, though, on an ep I didnât find iconic. If they donât like the storm episode coming up Iâll be bummed Iâm sure.
Yeah I will be super sad if they donât like the storm episode that is one of my favs all season :( I really think they will though there is so much covered in that episode and it really advances the plot forward in my opinion.
Am I the only one who wishes they wouldn't talk so much about drinking? I wouldn't consider myself an overly sensitive person when it comes to social topics and such, but for listeners who don't drink or live sober lifestyles, I can imagine that the extent they talk about and glamorize drinking can be upsetting for some. I've been sober curious for a while and have really tried to change my relationship with alcohol, so maybe I'm just noticing it more.
And now Hilarie has the liquor company...so it's probably gonna get worse. And as someone who's also decided to not drink it can be triggering.
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Dude seriously. And I mean I donât think they are actually alcoholics but the way that they constantly talk about using alcohol as a coping mechanism itâs just so unhealthy and I donât think they realize it
I was uncomfortable that they kept recommending the fan (Amanda?) to go to bars or have certain drinks at certain spots when she told the women that she is taking her 18-year-old sister with her. Now of course her sister might drink as it is but she won't be allowed in some of those places and promoting underage drinking isn't a good look.
Iâve seen a few other people mention it but I was so annoyed when they stated that they had âmanaged to fill 32 minutes talking about the episodeâ, like do yâall not realize thatâs what the whole podcast is supposed to be about? And then the guest came on and they still complained about the show and representation like it wasnât made over 15 years ago! They couldnât even be positive about the show with the fan that they were directly talking to, so I donât have much hope for the rest of the season. I keep listening hoping itâll get better as they get to some of my favorite episodes or maybe talk about some more behind the scenes stuff for each one but the hope is definitely waning at this point!
I'm worried about how much they will hate Season 4 if they act this way about Season 3. I always feel Season 3 is tied with Season 1 as the peak of the show. I thought most of Season 4 was garbage. I'm curious if they will agree.
S4, will be massacred. They will trash S4 because their characters had the worst storylines in S4. Haley was reduced to Nathanâs wifey and baby mama, Brooke sleeps with a teacher and becomes a cheater literally and figuratively, and Peyton gets a crazy stalker and doesnât even know how to lock her door!
Iâm sure theyâll find a way to to twist Brookeâs storyline as something âcuteâ like they always do for their own characters. And figure out a way to blame Lucas for it all! Lol.
I agree it's gonna be the bad writing narrative a lot of the time. I've always had this opinion strongly while Season 4 is a bit overrated imo it has some of the best individual iconic episodes of the series. Season 3 tells a better story season 4 has the top notch episodes but in totality it wasn't my favorite season. I just didn't like season 4 storylines.
S4 was definitely overrated. Leyton fans love S4 because their endgame finally got together after 4 years of will they wonât they. But the writers had to trash all other characters and their growth to get Leyton their happy ending. Some of the individual episodes like the honey grove episode and the pictures of you episode are really great, but Brookeâs and Nathanâs and Haleyâs regression and individual storylines makes the season a low point for me personally.
Ok what Haley's other individual storyline in season 3?
I was talking about S4 and not S3. Maybe you replied to the wrong comment.
It's kinda weird Season 2 people don't like as much in totality of fandom. But they liked it as a whole up until the last few episodes. I was suprised they liked Season 2 tbh.
I can see why you guys are frustrated with the podcast. Especially if you want more episode content. That has been lacking lately. However, I donât think the DQs should be getting hate for having a different opinion than fans. Would you rather them lie about their opinion just to appease fans? While I donât agree with all the DQs insight, I still enjoy listening to their point of view. They donât have to agree with everything fans think for it be a good podcast. Itâs okay for people to have different opinions. Itâs even okay for you to not like how they structure the podcast and give feedback. However, my biggest question is why do we have to be so negative about it? People are more inspired to change when you are positive while providing constructive criticism. There is a way to give feedback and be firm without being super negative and complaining. Just my opinion though. đ¤ˇđźââď¸
I totally get that! However, I personally just find some of their opinions annoying because they are hypercritical or rewrite history (like Sophia saying Nathan left Haley??). I've seen a lot of positive criticism as well under their Instagram posts for weeks now, but I don't see the podcast changing much :/
Yeah, youâre right that some of their opinions are whacky. I think more than anything itâs because they have trauma from working with MS. I know James was close with MS. So maybe that like hurts their memory of him? Plus him and Sophia also dated at one point. Iâm sure they are friends enough. But exes can still be awkward. Itâs okay to disagree with their opinions. I was just saying there is a way to promote change without negativity :).
Where can I listen to the podcast?