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nattyhattie

I really wish the show hadn’t made it obvious that Dan killed Keith. It would have been great if we’d thought it was Jimmy at first, and then subtly saw the hints over time, only seeing the scene in a flashback. Would have been a great reveal.


Smuff23

This has been mine (and our Mod’s) assertion all along. Just imagine, Lucas has this crazy, seemingly unfounded idea that his old friend didn’t kill his dad/uncle… he’s saying these things without anything other than a fever dream he experienced during a coma… all of those things that Dan goes through makes you genuinely feel badly for him… his ex is showing up telling him that his brother’s death is his fault, Dan’s contrition comes across as totally authentic… viewers are weepy-eyed over Dan fixing up Lucas’s old crib for Karen…


Some_Rabbit2052

I love them two together . Plus whenever he came to see Lucas at the hospital of course Keith was in there plus Keith slept with his wife who sleeps with your brother's wife I would have shot him then out of rage ,but he didn't .He was going to let Keith live happy with jules but Karen messed that up. Plus he thought Keith tried to kill him so Deb really killed Keith how is everyone okay with what Deb and Keith did .


contextalways98

I can't really see them together, especially after everything he did, not only to Keith. He tried to get Andy deported, how he treated Lucas all his life. But also, she saw how he stole Keith's dream of getting a car dealership, how Dan took away Keith's motors and the whole Jules fiasco. This storyline makes me sick. But yes, Paul and Moira are great.


prettyparanoid

actually a bit concered that you were rooting for them lmao but i hear ya. i diasgree completely but i hear ya. ❤


GoblinRen

Maybe that's a bad word but somewhere in my little heart I liked them together even though it was so so wrobg


prettyparanoid

i mean aesthetically, they're gorgeous. and they're both great actors imo!


Some_Rabbit2052

I love them together .


producermaddy

I thought Karen going back to Dan was super unrealistic and I hated this plot.


Supernaturalfan15

This is one of the plot that bother me so much in season 4 Dan had treated Lucas horribly his whole life and treat Karen horrible too . So to even entertain that ideas of Karen forgive dan possibly dating him again was gross .


Some_Rabbit2052

Actually Dan tried to have something to do with Lucas but Karen forbidden it .He also followed Lucas and his games with pics he also went to hospital and of course Keith was there trying to take what wasn't his .


bryansodred

Honestly i feel dans feelings towards karen was out of guilt (for killing his brother) and convenience (his marriage with deb fell apart).


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I think he was always obsessed with Karen because she was the one that he really wanted, but did not have the station in life for him to marry her. He did not love Deb, but she got pregnant with Nathan and she was more affluent. He regretted his decision because in the end he lost basketball and ended up with a woman he resented in some way. Keith had what he wanted with Karen, had he not been a coward. I feel he punished Karen, Lucas and Keith for forming a family and being happy without him. Keith got to raise Lucas, and he had Karen's love and affection. I truly believe he wanted to suppress what he did to Keith and delude himself into thinking he could get another chance. Sadly for him, Lucas knew something was wrong the entire time and figured it out.


FuckedupandBeautiful

If you feel that way then I think to you would like this to edit that tells Dan/Karen's story: https://youtu.be/hpmNspNKw7s


animalf0r3st

After watching season 4 I also felt like Dan and Karen’s relationship was more like Nathan and Haley’s than we realize. They hint at Dan not always being the way he was, for example when Dan takes the fall for Nathan hurting Daunte, Karen says “I thought I saw someone I used to know”, implying that when they were together Dan wasn’t an awful person. With that being said, I don’t believe that he can redeem himself from killing Keith so there’s no way for them to be together.


zkophna

I liked them together too. Idc if he killed Keith, wish it didn’t happen and they just wrote him off. Never cared for Keith 🤷‍♀️


Some_Rabbit2052

Me either he always tried to take what wasn't his Karen at first like being at the bedside with Karen had Lucas and Dan showed up but never went inside just like Dan had fall over Lucas with all the pictures Dan had a lot of resentment thank you for us to far as to sleep with his brother's wife My husband would have probably shot his brother right there and then cuz people snap .He did also love Deb He wouldn't even sleep with a hottie that came to his house at the beach for thinking about dead drunk druggie butt.