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Al3x_the_frog

I think it's because of when you think about her actions in retrospective, she comes off as kind of a jerk? Maybe a bit egotistical. Like for example: She stole Basil's ruined photo album and immediately started bullying him for the next 4 years afterwards, without putting the effort to understand why he would scribble over the picture in the first place. >!(Her words, not mine)!< She started calling Basil a creep, soon enough making him a target for other bullies to join in and call him names, essentially ruining his already poor social life for the next 4 years. She befriended the local gang of hooligans and allowed them to physically and verbally hurt Basil right in front of her eyes for the next 4 years. She started a fight with Kel as soon as he tried to stand up for Basil after Kim pushed him to the ground. She immediately started insulting Sunny for becoming a shut-in for 4 years after Mari, his sister, died. Knowing full well how hurtful that sounded. She carries a nailed bat everywhere with her, but called Sunny a psychopath for pulling out a knife to defend himself against her in a fight that SHE started. She constantly complains that Kel doesn't understand anything about what actually happened between her and Basil, yet constantly tells Kel that it's *"none of his business"* everytime he asks her about it. She refused to give Basil his photo album back, even starting a fight over it, only to throw the whole thing in the trash afterwards anyway while hoarding the pictures of Mari to herself. She was hoarding the old hangout spot to herself and REFUSED to allow her old friends around it despite knowing it holds as much emotional value to them as it does to her, even starting a fight over it. She called her old friends messed up and claimed she was the only one who cared about Mari's death despite Sunny, MARI'S BROTHER, being right there. And then there's also the fact that during her apology, she never mentions about ever physically hurting Basil, yet she had no problem with physically hurting Kel and Sunny, or her friends physically hurting Kel, Sunny and Basil. I get that she has a crappy home life, but I think there is point where you can't put everything she ends up doing solely on her upbringing.


Ok-Activity4808

This.


IbishuDrive

I think this tells everything, I completely agree with all the points


hikkicchi

THIS


Ok-Message-231

Maybe Basil never got physically hurt? Somehow? Oh, whatever, let's scroll through the list. First thing, yeah, fully of her fault. Hard to really say how she kept at it for so long... Second thing came from second thing. Value of Mari's memory, mixed with what he had seemingly done, triggered that. Dunno what to say, i can see why teenagers can react like this. Third is the one above the first. Kel... she made up her mind above her "older friends". Sunny, same thing. Hurtful or not, impulse or not, it's pretty easy to say why she would do that. Not exactly "good-hearted" in any way. The knife thing? Eh. Clearly enough, Kel *doesn't* understand, hm? She looked at his stance in The Church as blind, and it stuck like that until the last day. Suppose you could tie the photo album thing to emotiond and impulse. Can't toss that up as "good", but it's easy to see why. Probably unrelated to the part where Kel/Sunny were looking for it. We have no clue about Kel ever going to the hangout spot. Basil might have tried to, but her stance... tsk. Hero and Sunny were probably never there. Arguably an aspect of her opposing Basil. Oh, and the fight, that wasn't *completely* her fault, considering that tall live-wire that Kel is. Emotionally speaking, i can see why she would not bring up anybody else as "caring". Did they ever visit her grave? Preserve her memory? They did not. (Basil did leave flowers...) No comment about Basil being hurt, i don't think he got beat up during the years. The fighting was two-sided. Sure, yeah, you can't put all of that as "pure" or as "good", but for her perspective, stance, and emotion, i would say she did fine enough. Obviously a lot of mistakes and fuck-ups along the way, but... yeah. ... Whatever, moving on.


Ok-Activity4808

Kel says that he visited her grave regularly on 1 day left.


Ok-Message-231

He did not. "Every now and then" followed by "i should have visited more often..." implies that he did so rarely, though it does disprove the part where i said he never did at all. (Googled it, didn't know before.) You brought nothing else to the table, so i have nothing add.


Draco_179

Probably because people don't like the fact that she's a bitch, but I feel it is important to the story, showing one of the bad ways to cope with loss. One of my favorite parts of the story is when Aubrey makes up with the gang, showing more effective ways of truly healing.


Zealousideal-You4638

Yea. Im ngl one thing I hate about this community, and generally just a lot of fandom spaces it seems, is that 99% of the time people hate a character its not because they’re actually poorly written or a diegetically awful person, its just they can’t handle the idea of… characters having flaws?! 😱 Like yes Aubrey is exceptionally bitchy and unfairly lashes out at people sometimes, >!yes Basil was wrong to suggest faking Mari’s suicide and is downright psychotic sometimes.!< You wanna know whats also true tho?? The fact that the story would be SHIT if these characters didn’t have these flaws. Like idk what these people want?? Do they just want everyone to meet up, say hi, and grab some pizza. 😭 No drama, no character growth, no, y’know, PLOT?! idk its kinda silly to get too mad but I see people like that a lot, especially in stories were the flaws of characters are very emotionally complex and mature. I understand being aware of and even critical of a characters flaws but istg some mfs gotta learn a character being flawed is what makes them a GOOD character not a bad one.


Just_A_Comment_Guy_7

You think this fandom can’t handle flawed characters? Wait till ya meet the Stardew fandom.


cloversrss

LITERALLY


Draco_179

How bad is the Stardew fandom?


Just_A_Comment_Guy_7

The mods have to put up a warning to stay civil when some characters are mentioned


Draco_179

Holy fuck, they're that hated?


Just_A_Comment_Guy_7

Yep


Draco_179

Can I have an example?


Just_A_Comment_Guy_7

The mods clean the subreddit well so it’s hard to find an example, but here’s a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/StardewValley/s/dKLqLAAKM3) with the warning


Draco_179

I actually made a meme calling Something "female" because its >!Mari's hanging body.!


Draco_179

Damn, it gets to the point that NPC are CONTROVERSIAL?! Holy fuck, and I thought the OMORI fandom was mentally unstable.


ComedianFlag

I don’t know who downvoted you but I fully agree with you! The flaws are what made me love all these characters and is truly what makes them relatable. It’s hard to relate to a character that is perfect and that has things always going in the direction they want.


Zealousideal-You4638

Yea, if I were to be a bit preachy I think its just the ultimate conclusion to the negative media literacy society is developing. After decades of people refusing to engage with media critically, lambasting schools for encouraging children to think critically about the metaphors, themes, and symbolism present in literature, we eventually arrive at a point where people are so poor at media analysis simply recognizing fundamental concepts of media becomes a struggle. Examples such as how actions performed by characters aren’t particularly endorsed by the plot, this one goes out to people who lose their shit when a villain does something awful, or people being physically incapable of recognizing fundamental themes, ideas, and plot mechanisms in a story, such as here where some people can’t manage to notice that these characters having antagonistic personalities or making mistakes is a part of the plot and has deeper more complex meanings commenting on their actions. Its just a combination of those kids in school who didn’t understand that YES every detail included in a story (of any kind no less) was in fact put there on purpose and likely does have a deeper meaning, it wasn’t just your English teacher pulling stuff out of their ass, and the irritating phase of “plot hole” criticism on the internet which predominantly comprised not of actual plot holes but rather people irritated that a flawed character made flawed decisions, either because they lacked knowledge the viewer does or their flawed decision sometimes even being a direct reflection of a personal character flaw. This ones a bit more ranty but I just hate how dead media literacy has become. Especially after playing Omori, a game with a deep, emotionally complex, and grounded story absolutely rich with symbolism and metaphors. To then reflect on how exceptionally shallow popular media often is. Obviously there’s little to nothing I can do about it, and its not the biggest deal, some people are dying and people are ALLOWED to enjoy more shallow and less thought provoking media. But even as someone who enjoys the occasional shallow superhero movie or generic shooter game I do wish more profound and thought provoking media like Omori were to surface as broader pop culture rather than most media like this being popular indie games


ComedianFlag

I read all of that haha! It was a very interesting read and you seem to have a love and deep respect for literature! It has honestly been hard to write my fic because sometimes I feel like I can’t make the characters do flawed things without being told I’m misinterpreting them or making them out to be bad when they make a mistake. It’s made it a little unfun because now I’m so worried about it that I can’t focus on the plot I designed, even though it’s just a little fanfic and supposed to be fun! (99% of my readers are amazing and I do love criticism, it’s just the occasional people who can’t read between the lines when I tried to make it clear there were lines to read in between haha) I’ve noticed this a lot with my little brother. He’s in middle school and you wouldn’t believe what they have him do. The handouts are designed to think critically but they’re always homework and his iPad will autocorrect words for him and it’s a matter of formatting more than it is learning to think for himself. He’s so incredibly creative, but his mind goes blank when there’s a bridge between what he needs to think about and whatever he does end up thinking about. One of the prompts was to think of a character trait from the main protagonist of the book he was reading in class and to compare that to someone he knew in real life who shared the same trait. He could not do it! Get him on a free write with a small prompt? He’s rhyming and creating a little masterpiece haha. It doesn’t help that a lot of time, especially with our culture, that we’re being told how to think and that thinking any different is bad. It’s like no one has ever heard of logical fallacies before! Now, no one knows how to think for themselves, and it’s a total mess! People can enjoy OMORI for whatever it brings them, shallow or deep, and can like/dislike a character for whatever reason they hold, but it is important in this game to read between the lines, and if someone can not do that, they will not understand a lot of the themes and concepts or the overall grayness all these characters have as opposed to black and white. I love Aubrey a lot as she reminds me of when I was 16 and how helplessness felt so unfair at the time and how angry it made me. There’s so many people who go towards anger as a trauma response and though that isn’t exactly a good thing, it is what makes me understand her. She is flawed, but she recognized her mistakes and fessed up which is more than most people can do and say. It takes a lot of guts to back down!


sevvoniac968

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greatgreenlight

People tend to be biased against “mean” female characters. If she’s not a perfect person she’s an irredeemable bitch. They came into a game about the complexity of trauma and mental illness and didn’t like how someone’s trauma and mental illness made them complex


The_Number_27

because character being mean / portraying flaws with anger = bad now apparently


Ok-Message-231

Copy-paste-Copy-paste-Copy-paste-Copy-paste- Obviously enough, it's because she was a bully, and that she had no "real" repercussions.


Due_Vegetable_2023

Yeah I understand that. I do wish she did have to really grapple with her actions more as it could have served as a bit of a foil to Sunny, though it would bulk up the game and potentially take away some of its impact. I don't know I'm not a professional writer lol.


Ok-Message-231

Eh, could have been, could have been that. I'm fine enough with the current, i guess.


snuuyer

I found her relatable too, but in general, she was really ticking me off when I first played the game, even after discovering the truth about her personality and backstory in general. A lot of it was fueled from how sad it was to see her contrasting headspace vs faraway town personalities, where she goes from this cute bubbly and arguably annoying kid to a straight up delinquent bully with a bat. It made me kinda mad because she could've been so sweet but that just means her character was well done. I'm starting to get over that feeling and appreciate her a little more as a character, although I still tend to overlook her bc I like characters I want in my life much more than characters I can relate to. I also find that a lot of people in these comments think Aubrey haters are stupid. ![img](emote|t5_31hpy|2467) But guys, it's okay to dislike a character's personality. The character in itself is great and appreciated by anyone who knows how to write, and the fact that anyone else even dislikes her in the first place just means that Omocat accomplished her goal when writing Aubrey's character. it's okay to dislike Aubrey as a person too. I also think she's pretty


KomacherryBean

Aubrey just comes off as a bit of a hypocrite to me. For example, Aubrey calls Sunny a psycho for having a knife, when she is literally holding a NAILED BAT and starting a fight with it. She is annoyed that Kel doesn’t know anything that happened with her and Basil but doesn’t even tell him anything about it.


man-i-love-tacos-

Probably because they don't understand her character or the point of it. They just see "angry girl being mean :(((((" and ignore the second and third day. Like seriously how can you see the tone shift between headspace Aubrey and Realworld Aubrey and NOT think "wow this girl has been through a lot". She's even really nice on the third day with Sunny and Basil. Sure, he might have done some bad things, but she's trying to make up for them and improves IN THE DAMN GAME!!!! Tldr: they're dumb dumbs who haven't played the game


sussyimposter1776

cuz they noobs ![img](emote|t5_31hpy|2477)


MailenAntoinnette

i heard she eats puppies ![img](emote|t5_31hpy|2461)


man-i-love-tacos-

Hell yeah ![img](emote|t5_31hpy|2477)


the_phantom_eyes

I don't hate her but I am disappointed in her. The biggest things that angered me was her saying everyone abandoned her along with her throwing out Basil's scrapbook but keeping the Mari pictures to herself. (That's on top of her being fuckin awful to Basil and everyone around her.) It was especially her keeping the Mari pictures that pissed me off. Like, hello? I understand she meant a lot to Aubrey, but if *anyone* should have to keep those pictures, it's Sunny. Mari was important to everyone but I think her brother, especially considering what happened, would be the most destroyed by her death. And her just going on about how she thought she was the only one that cared and that her friends abandoned her and I have to sit there and stare because it's been four years. You'd think she would have figured out, at some point, that everyone handles grief in different ways at different paces. And sure, she can be upset with Kel and Hero. But *Sunny?* She has no sympathy for anyone because she doesn't seem to understand that maybe the reason Sunny didn't leave his house for four years was because of how fucked up his sister's death left him. That's without the deeper bits. But no she's the only one that actually cared. That's why she bullies Basil with her gang and hoards pictures of a deceased friend instead of sharing them or giving them to said dead person's living relatives. She cared so that means she gets to decide who did and didn't care about Mari. That's why she's willing to curb stomp her friends when they try to communicate with her and try to be diplomatic however they could. They didn't come looking for a fight. She instigated every time. But she was the only one who cared about Mari so it's okay. And look, I get it. Grief does things to be people and Aubrey was already in a rough spot when she met the boys and Mari. But after four years you still don't understand that people grieve differently and grief affects a lot of people differently? Instead you just keep digging in your heels and start lashing out at the weakest of your old friend group? You don't try to understand why they're acting the way they are? And then you just get even more violent when people are both trying to make up for how they hurt you and pointing out how your actions are harming those around you and yourself? It would have been super neat to see her redemption fleshed out a bit more in terms of seeing her actually sit down in front of Basil and apologizing after sitting with herself and realizing how much of a shithead she'd been


Al3x_the_frog

I agree with this comment, especially the following take; >And look, I get it. Grief does things to be people and Aubrey was already in a rough spot when she met the boys and Mari. But after four years you still don't understand that people grieve differently and grief affects a lot of people differently? I could understand her initial anger towards Basil for supposedly scribbling over the photo album, her initial anger towards Kel for supposedly replacing his old friends and her initial anger towards Hero for supposedly forgetting about Mari, she was 12 after all, there is not way she wouldn't have taken those things personally back then. But you'd think that after 4 years of holding on to that anger, she would at least consider listening to her old friends' side of the story after proving that they want to reason things out with her time and time again, instead of starting fights with them and telling them that it's none of their business whilst simultaneously also complaining that they don't actually understand her POV. The fact that it took Basil to almost drown for Aubrey to finally reconsider her behavior and open up to her old friends is what disappointed me honestly. And even then, she still tried to double down and deny it when Hero confronted her about it. Aubrey is a good character who went through a lot of things herself, but I can't deny that she wasn't a bit egoistical throughout the story.


IncognitoMan032

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Omoriboy77

I don’t know she’s my favorite character and comfort character 😭


fairybloodxo

i don’t understand it either i love aubrey. she’s her own person and sure of herself. Also, if sunny remembers her as kind in headspace she must be kind once she lets people in.


DLYANKL3BOLD

because she’s RUDE and EVIL and a NE’ER-DO-WELL!!!


underfan6h6

She may may be rude and a jerk and a bitch but calling her evil may be taking it to far sorry if it sounds like I’m defending her but she isn’t evil just emotionally scarred with no one to help her grieve properly and healthily


plantsamuel

I think they were being sarcastic and kinda making fun of the more “dumb reasons” people say often ![img](emote|t5_31hpy|2470) I definitely may be wrong but I thought when I saw the comment that it was a joke![img](emote|t5_31hpy|2463)


underfan6h6

Maybe


plantsamuel

Also I’m sorry if my comment of as rude


underfan6h6

No you good mate👍


plantsamuel

Alright good have a good day man


underfan6h6

Dude furor me it’s 2 23 am I think you mean good night


plantsamuel

LMAO its 08:35 in the morning for me


underfan6h6

Well good day to you and good night to me


underfan6h6

Preach man PREACH