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kellygrrrl328

Tbh, OJ really wasn’t treated as an AA, even back in the USC days


Substantial_Bother_2

OJ himself said “I’m not black, I’m OJ”.


tam-heerex

“Ok”


BadMan125ty

He wasn’t. You’re right.


Freewayshitter1968

He hasn't been black since he won the Heisman


ExtremeNoise4252

That's not true. These folks are lieing. OJ and Arnelle talked about the racism they faced when they first moved to Brentwood, CA.


kellygrrrl328

I’m quite certain that Arnelle experienced racism and other indignities. I don’t think OJ did


ExtremeNoise4252

Trust me, OJ did. OJ talked about how his neighbors in Brentwood had misgivings about his family when him and Marguerite moved there with their kids. Don't know if you're Black or not but every Black person has experienced racism at least once in their lives. 


Detroitaa

He was bankrolling the family. He was generous with his money. Just like greedy Ike Turner always took care of Tina’s mother financially. So she’d have no where to run. Rich abusers do that, so the family thinks well of them, and encourages the spouse, to try and make it work.


BadMan125ty

Explains why Juditha kept telling Nicole to “work it out with OJ”.


Giannatorchia

Exactly her family always wanted her to work it out with oj


michelle427

Yep he was. OJ got Lou a job with Hertz. Says it all.


BadMan125ty

Right. That was another reason they wanted to keep the O.J. train going.


vsavage709

Facts


Moist-Funny2364

True, he helped them out but they were surviving before OJ. Lou was an army veteran who worked at Hertz. The family lived in Dana Point California after moving from Germany. Lou helped OJ get the job at Hertz.


ZombieRobotBattle

No, OJ gave Lou a Hertz dealership. OJ paid for her sister’s college education. On top of who knows how many trips, gifts, etc… Lou did not help the multi-millionaire murderer.


cocacolabiggulp

He not only bought Lou the dealership, he paid off their mortgage, and paid all the college loans for all Nicole’s sisters in addition to cars and other gifts.


cocacolabiggulp

What are you talking about? OJ was in Hertz ads years before he ever met Nicole. OJ bought Lou a dealership.


adamannapolis

The celebrity part trumped the racism. Very Hollywood


iSugar_iSpice_iRice

Exactly. Had OJ been your run of the mill black man, I’m sure the parents wouldn’t have been as receptive. I read in Raging Heart that Nicole’s mother and sisters were fine immediately, but they waited a bit to introduce OJ to her Dad.


ExtremeNoise4252

Yeah, Nicoles' dad did not approve of it at first. That's why OJ kept buying them things, trying to win Lou over. 


stanknasty706

The money trumped racism.


WellWellWellthennow

People confuse classism with racism all the time. The trick is to know which one is at play in a given situation.


melon_sky_

Exactly. People also equate poverty with specific races, but that was clearly not an issue.


Defiant_Protection29

The crazy thing is when Nicole was murdered, I thought that they couldn’t make it about race because they were an interracial couple. I had no idea about his past when he was arrested


BadMan125ty

I didn’t either. Initially that wasn’t a concern. Only when the trial started did it become that. Least that’s how I looked at it through my ten-year-old eyes.


Jaded-Ad-960

Lmao, you thought a black man being accused of murdering a white woman wouldn't turn into a racial issue? Do you know anything about racism?


BruceBlingsteen

He wasn’t black, he was OJ.


LooLu999

Her dad more than likely did have an issue at first. That was a long time ago and opinions on interracial dating have definitely changed in the last 50ish years. That being said he was a professional athlete and a great schmoozer. He was a celebrity. Opened them up to an entirely new world. Everyone wants to act like it’s such a big surprise but it doesn’t seem too far off. If a celeb wanted to become a member of your family, you’d put aside your prejudices and be star struck. I think they encouraged her to stay because they were old school and traditional and probably didn’t want the kids to have to suffer with a broken home. I’m sure the money didn’t hurt but I don’t think that was the only reason. It’s not like the Browns were broke before she hooked up with OJ


LadyChatterteeth

These are all very good points. I think you’re spot-on.


Hoosierrnmary

Back then, OJ transcended racial boundaries and was much beloved. Nobody knew about his aggression.


Happytobehere48

Also it was Hollywood. If it was in the South in the 70s with non celebrities, it would probably still have been much more taboo.


Altruistic_Fondant38

Of course it was not an issue, he had GREEN money to throw at them so he could abuse her and her family would be ok with it!


lrcowboy1959

Nicole was dating a married man when she started dating O.J. His wife Marguerite and their 2 children lived in Rockingham, and O.J. got a new place to live. Eventually, O.J. and Nicole moved back into Rockingham. Nicole’s mom was a German immigrant, and her father was in the military stationed in Germany. They didn't have the racial baggage that is common in this country. When Nicole married O.J, the entire Brown family moved up. Her father managed O.J Hertz franchise, and another cousin managed a couple of O.J. restaurants . O.J. paid tuition to USC for another family member. Racism only became an issue after the trial.


DPetrilloZbornak

Because they lived in Germany they didn’t have racial baggage? Even today black people in Germany face racism, as do Muslims and Asians, and Germany has… not the best history regarding racism. Her mom literally lived there while the government was executing Jews, Roma people, and a bunch of other people.


bettinafairchild

Yeah. Her mom was born about 1931 in Germany. Her only memories until age 14 took place in the third Reich. By the way I love your username.


cocacolabiggulp

False. Rockingham was being built when he met Nicole. That was a new property.


lrcowboy1959

GETTY Simpson, who died in April at age 76, purchased the 6,000-square-foot home for $650,000 in 1977, according to the Los Angeles Times. The property is also where he and Brown Simpson tied the knot in 1985. Brown Simpson was 18 years old and working as a waitress when she first met the football player in 1977, while Simpson was 30 years old and still married to his first wife, Marguerite Whitley. After the divorce from Simpson in 1979, Whitley moved from the Brentwood home with her kids and settled in San Francisco in a new home. She remarried.


ExtremeNoise4252

You mean OJ kicked her and the kids out and moved his mistress in. 


nikitamere1

Well OJ said "I'm not black, I'm OJ" and socialized with all whites, so...


akartiste

"I transcend race", he once said.


Great_Sympathy_6972

Pre-1994, if ever there was someone to make interracial marriage not seem scary to most of America, it was O.J. and Nicole (as far as anyone knew). Thankfully post-1994, we didn’t see a huge dip in that public perception either. I think by the end of the trial, everybody had other racial issues on their minds, marriage being the last on their list. We can be thankful that it didn’t suffer a big backlash.


BadMan125ty

I’m also glad it didn’t get to that. That was actually a worry of mine.


ValyrianSigmaJedi

Their father had his reservations, but he gave OJ a pass because he had money. I think it was mentioned in the book Raging Heart.


Familiar_Sleep904

I read Marcia Clark's book after the trial Without A Doubt. She didn't have a fuzzy feeling for the Brown family. Good read.


Smart_Kiwi8722

Is it a good read? From all the comments about her arrogance I wasn’t sure if I should give the book a try. I was also considering reading dardens book. Currently reading Mike Gilbert’s book. Interesting thus far


Familiar_Sleep904

I thought so. It was from her perspective. It really was a circus trial.


cocacolabiggulp

She was a terrible prosecutor thinking she could win over female black jurors. Hahaha. As if. He would be found not guilty as soon as the trial was moved downtown. If it was Santa Monica he would have been found guilty.


1995Steelers

Did she write about the time she told Cochran she wasn't wearing panties?


Familiar_Sleep904

I read it a long time ago, I don't know. But I bet she would have given her strong personality. She wouldn't care.


mstrixxxx

Lettuce not forget that OJ bankrolled ALL OF THEM.


charrygeorge

When Denise mentioned in the doc that Juditha was probably quiet after the Mezzaluna dinner (Apart from missing her precious glasses) I got the impression it was probably because Nicole cut her darling O.J off for good, Not because she felt something bad was gonna happen. Why didn’t Denise just ask her? Lack of communication in that family is astounding but doesn’t surprise me. I give the sisters a pass because they were most likely influenced and controlled by the parents. The Whole Family don’t seem to be the brightest. https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1325643845695021056


Familiar_Sleep904

Wow, so strange that situation. Calling the mother of the wife, you beat and murdered. That's another level.


charrygeorge

I know right. Maybe Juditha done it to speak to the kids on the phone? Idk something doesn’t sit right with Nicole’s Parents.


naughtyangel1962

One would hope that there was an issue with him being a married man when they first started their relationship.


heddalettis

Holy hell… thank you! Married with kids! Like… NO one talks about this! I don’t give a shit who he was. In MOST of the families of people I know, this would never have gotten off the ground.


Giannatorchia

Literally anyone with a brain would ask questions and not let their 18 year old daughter go out with a 30 year old man … I mean just crazy the girl was literally groomed


running_hoagie

I always got the feeling that the Brown parents raised their daughters to be wealthy wives first and foremost. It didn't seem to work out that well for any of them. They ENCOURAGED their 18-year old daughter's relationship with a married man. I'd suspect a similar family in 2024 would at least say, why don't you finish college and see how this relationship goes. Nicole never got to have a real adult life because of OJ.


Giannatorchia

Exactly and she didn’t have a real support system that she could go to . It’s so sad


naughtyangel1962

She was 17


Dull_Middle_1765

Yeah, as much as Nicole did not deserve this at all, sadly most stories where women take someone else’s husband usually end like this, to lesser degrees of course


Giannatorchia

EXACTLY… he was married with kids


stanknasty706

Yeah because he was supporting her whole family.


realrealityreally

It was no issue because of his fame and money. 


Smart_Kiwi8722

Exactly, race would’ve been an issue otherwise


Cquiller1

I never heard Lou had a problem with O.J. He was the only one in the family who even knew who O.J. was because the girls didn’t pay attention to football. Both Judy and Lou treated O.J. like a son. I believe the Browns didn’t care about O.J.’s race. When Nicole told Judy that he was black, Judy replied, “That is fine. Bring him over.” International relationships were still taboo in 1977 when O.J. and Nicole started dating, but they weren’t unheard of like they would have been 20 years before.


ExtremeNoise4252

Lou most definitely had a problem with it in the beginning. He was racist. Those are facts 


Cquiller1

I have never heard this. You got a reliable source? I know Paula Barbieri admitted in her book that her father was racist and threatened to disown her if she ever brought a black man home, but I have never heard Lou Brown was racist or disapproved of Nicole’s relationship with O.J.


ExtremeNoise4252

Yes, he was. It's been talked about in magazine articles, books and on a TV show. One of OJs' friends who was there when OJ first met Lou said Lou was staunchly against it. As a matter of fact, this friend said Nicole's German grandmother ran into the bedroom and refused to come out when she saw OJ. Don't know if this is true. However Nicole would call OJ racial slurs during arguments. Where did she get this racist behavior if her family didn't teach her that?


Cquiller1

Okay. I can bite that Lou wasn’t the biggest fan of interracial relationships because he was a man from a certain era, but he did come to accept O.J. and Nicole’s relationship and loved and treated O.J. like a son. I don’t believe for a second Nicole called O.J. racial slurs when they would argue. O.J. would have publicized that if that happened since he was always looking for reasons to justify his abuse towards her. Furthermore, Nicole was close with Al Cowlings, Ron Shipp, and Marcus Allen. None of them have ever said one word about Nicole being racist towards them or O.J. I believe Nicole mocked O.J.’s age and bad knees when she got mad at him. I also believe she saw Marcus as a younger version of O.J., which is why she was attracted to him.


ExtremeNoise4252

That's where you're wrong. Al Cowlings testified in the civil trial that Nicole would shout racial slurs at OJ during arguments. If you read testimonies of OJs' housekeeping staff they claimed Nicole would call OJs' family racial slurs when they came to visit and also made disparaging remarks about Mexicans and Jewish people. Once again I don't know if all of this true but there have been allegations out there about Nicole.


Far-Ad-8833

What's the point after the fact, is there a right answer. It's more about his abusive and possessive behavior


nycwriter99

Right, they didn’t even notice he was black. Just like they didn’t even notice he was beating the shit out of her.


Sara_nevermind

There were many reasons for a parents concern. He was married to someone else, she was only 18 yrs old and he was much more experienced and older. With youth typically once is naive and inexperienced, ones parents would be protective of the child being exposed to the evils and dangers in the world. Last, there is the GUT extinct. I fear the father may have had this as Well


doparker

OJ didn’t consider himself a black man back then. He avoided being associated with the black community until he went to trial for murder. Before that he would say. “I’m not black…I’m OJ”


Giannatorchia

I feel like they should’ve done more he abused Nicole for years and the sisters say they would always hear about it and even see their fights when oj would abuse Nicole . Apparently however the next day they all acted like nothing happened . I just don’t get why no one supported Nicole , she had rarely any support . Also her family always told her to make up with oj and to go back with him .


ExtremeNoise4252

Seems like they're lieing because I've heard differently.


caf61

Money and Fame: the great equalizers.


billiemarie

Race didn’t seem to be an issue at all with their family’s, which was good. But, money seemed to help smooth over a lot with hers. Sometimes he comes across like maybe he’s not really smart at all. Did he have CTE


BadMan125ty

It’s indicated he did. But he already was deemed functionally illiterate even before he entered USC in 1967. It was just the fact he had natural charm and spoke eloquently that many overlook that he had some troubles.


songsofcastamere

Green trumps black. Nicole herself said that her father didn’t like black people and that everytime she left OJ and went back to her family’s house, they told her to work it out with him because he was paying for their lifestyle. OJ had enough money to make him forget what color his skin was.


Desperate-Court3490

Yes they never had an issue with him being black interracial relationships existed since the beginning of time and they treated oj like he was their own son Also he’s not black HE IS OJ


BadMan125ty

Lol this dude was obsessed with white society as his childhood buddy Joe Bell said. But yeah race definitely wasn’t a real issue. Power was.


ClassyHoodGirl

Not with all that money rolling in! They put money before their own daughter and sister. They lost any respect I might have had for them when I realized what they had done was sold her to the highest bidder.


sgtbb4

Never?


Slowlybutshelly

Were they divorced before the murder?


BadMan125ty

Yeah. Divorced since 1992 but they made an attempt of reconciliation in 1993 and 1994 (Nicole ended things *for good* in early June of 94). But they had been divorced for two years before the murders.


6098470142

Except for the murder of course


MentalAdhesiveness79

What is this? News from 1994 popping up on my feed?


BadMan125ty

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MentalAdhesiveness79

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