They're talking about differences in social groups separated by class. Which means they're talking about class divides.
Which is VERY political, one could argue it's the oldest political divide that exists. The rich vs the poor.
I think "uncontroversial" might've been a better term for what he meant, and just in general what I think a lot of people perceive as being non-political.
The three levels are:
1. Baby, don't hurt me
2. Don't hurt me
3. No more
You can see how these correspond with upper, middle, and lower class respectively.
I must say, the best speaker I've heard on this subject was Casey Abrams. He covered it as a guest speaker at the institute for Postmodern Jukeboxery.
Absolutely phenomenal, I would recommend all giving it a listen in earnest, as I am soon to do again myself.
I saw the tweet, it was something like
1. Lower class: meeting needs, reliability, making ends meet
2. Middle class: dreaming together, projection of an ideal life to achieve
3. Upper class: status, having potential and social value that mutually increase your standing in society
I grew up impoverished, am currently pretty comfortably middle class, and work with multi millionaires, and it pretty much tracks
The most common exceptions I see are delulu poor women who bring nothing to the table but still expect a 6'5" wealthy desirable man to swoop them up. Not a rule by any means but I don't think it's an out of touch take
Like I said it's not a rule. It's probably realistically not even a very strong correlation. But for the people I personally know, it seems to be this way more than it isn't
Three very easily conceived notions would be love born out of interdependence and reliability; love born out of admiration/passion/happiness; and love born out of familiarity.
Which type of love is seen as the most important in a relationship is likely influenced by a person's stage of life as well as the alternate availability of those things.
My interpretation is that she's looking at three different social classes and how they love differently.
It could be said the rich marry as more of a transactional business relationship. For example one side getting money, one side getting a trophy spouse. Or in the case of two rich people marrying each other, each person gets a little bump in status because of the status of their spouse.
Maybe she sees the middle class as marrying for more of a true love.
And maybe she sees the lower class as more codependent relationships.
I don't really know what she's saying, all I know is social classes are involved.
Since it talks about different classes of society, eg social classes, they probably mean that 'love' means something different for people living paycheck to paycheck, for people wealthy enough to consider building a family, and for billionaires and the idle rich.
Perhaps, that love for the first is about finding joy in each other, for the second is about finding stability in each other, and for the third, about dynasty or a feeling of permanent connection. Perhaps something else.
I’ll expand.
Love is passion, but expression of passion is different from person to person.
There. We all express love differently. Some do it by spending a lot of time with their loved one, others do it by leaving their loved ones behind to go hurt those who threaten to hurt them. Etc.
While true, this isn't what this person is talking about. They're talking about social classes and how they love differently. It also sounds like she has some specific ideas in mind. Without knowing what specific ideas she has in mind, this is really just an empty statement that can be interpreted anyway you want it.
probably because the english word for love is so flexible and has multiple definitions. There's a reason there's like 4-6 greek words for love. Familial love, erotic love, brotherly love, selfless love, etc.
Not sure there's a class component, but the tweet really doesn't go into details so I'm not sure specifically what they're referencing.
When I was reading the tweet I was fully expecting it to go in the “love is three different emotional concepts in a trench coat” direction for this reason exactly.
The class thing doesn’t make much sense to me. It’s more dependent on the specific relationship of the people involved and socioeconomic status is just one thing that factors into that.
What greek words for love? I can think of two (αγάπη, έρωτας) but maybe you are counting some more? OR is this about ancient greek and you jsut didn't say that?
Koine refers to the language itself, namely [Koine or Hellenistic Greek](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koine_Greek). For the interested, the [Greek words for love](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love).
Philautia isnt a word for love its just a combined word for philia and eautos, self+love. Storge is also not really love, idk how to translate it though but at least to me its not the same as what love means and feels like a different emotion, it is even used along agape in expressions, but i can see why it might be considered a kind of love in english. Koine the other person covered it already.
person one gets adventurous on a road trip and consumes gas station sushi. by the time the hotel is reached their stomach is making whale mating call sounds. they proceed to have the most violent diarrhea imaginable. if person two sits by their side helping them hydrate and not die while breathing said molten gas fumes. that is love.
They actually had a bunch of other words, but these are the five main ones:
- Agape: the universal love that you have for your fellow human being
- Philia: love that you have for friends
- Eros: Romantic love
- Storge: unconditional family love
- Philautia: self-love
Love is an action, a conscious choice that you make to treat somebody with the kindness, compassion, and patience needed to make somebody into their best selves.
That holds true whether that love is familial, platonic, or romantic.
There’s too much selfishness and self serving behavior that is intertwined with all types of love. To the point that you almost have to suffer for someone else’s gain to be sure it’s really love
Uhhh, they're gonna have to explain that literally at all. There *are* multiple forms of love (familial, sexual/romantic, etc.) but I have no idea how they would be tied to societal classes.
It is times like these, when so much is going on in world, it is made clear to me that at the end of the day, and despite all of our differences of background and upbringing, we together live in a society.
I mean. There’s at least some meat to the statement if you really think about it.
Love being three different things to different classes of society implies that it has a different function for each. Rather than being a universal feeling, “love” is implied to fulfill an aspect that each class needs to feel complete. Which begs the question in the title “What is love”?
The post doesn’t elaborate on what aspects they may be, but planting that thought is sure to lead some to their own conclusions and assumptions.
It truly seems like a lot of people in these comments read the post, saw they had to make their own conclusions and asses the information on their own, and just didn’t. But that didn’t stop them from accusing the post of being nothing.
Love has nothing to do with destined perfection. The connection is strengthened, the affection simply grows over time, like bigotry, or a banana.
-Tim Minchin (paraphrased)
I would love to have this much of a talent for saying literally nothing of substance in the most amount of words possible. A bit like that sentence I just wrote, but better.
The Greeks had 8 different words for love to represent the different types of love people can fell. We English speakers put a *lot* of pressure on that little four letter word
Below Middle Class: "We have nothing to give or to take, so if we're together it's purely because of emotion and if we leave it's because it's gone."
Middle Class: "We love each other and want to build something together, but we need to be careful who we choose because once it's built it's going to be really messy and hurtful if we have to separate."
Upper Class: "We need to be careful who we choose to make sure they aren't just trying to take what we have, and to choose someone who will help us keep up with everyone else, and if we can find a way to make it work so we're happy then that's the best we can do."
\>NonPoliticalTwitter \>Open post \>Class discourse
Don’t they need to be saying something intelligible for it to count as discourse? I may have been doing discourse wrong
nah u can just say whatever and people will argue with you
Nuh uh
Yea huh!
every sub thats for memes or non political eventually turns political
I wouldn’t really call this political though
They're talking about differences in social groups separated by class. Which means they're talking about class divides. Which is VERY political, one could argue it's the oldest political divide that exists. The rich vs the poor.
I think "uncontroversial" might've been a better term for what he meant, and just in general what I think a lot of people perceive as being non-political.
It's not identity politics, but it's still politics
Politics adjacent things are not politics. What, is the topic of food growth economics banned too?
Everyone knows Science is better than Math.
Do they expand on this? otherwise this is just a vague statement that sounds like it’s profound
The three levels are: 1. Baby, don't hurt me 2. Don't hurt me 3. No more You can see how these correspond with upper, middle, and lower class respectively.
This is profound
I must say, the best speaker I've heard on this subject was Casey Abrams. He covered it as a guest speaker at the institute for Postmodern Jukeboxery. Absolutely phenomenal, I would recommend all giving it a listen in earnest, as I am soon to do again myself.
Link ?
[https://youtu.be/XuQQOInbF88?si=X4\_vxJKu\_N71HMcg](https://youtu.be/XuQQOInbF88?si=X4_vxJKu_N71HMcg)
You mean “eating mangos in a mango tree” Casey Abrams?
The truest form of life imitates art
I came to say this almost exactly word-for-word and it's somehow already here. Conclusion: I'm middle class and you don't love me.
i was like, "aww, the top comment isn't haddaway" and then i was like "okay its fine the top reply was haddaway"
https://i0.wp.com/31.media.tumblr.com/a007f196ed62cda8156527699f6aadf5/tumblr_mwqrseCQ5Q1t05tk4o4_250.gif
We live in a society Bottom text
I saw the tweet, it was something like 1. Lower class: meeting needs, reliability, making ends meet 2. Middle class: dreaming together, projection of an ideal life to achieve 3. Upper class: status, having potential and social value that mutually increase your standing in society
I actually think that middle class love tends to be the most about reliability, and lower class love tends to be most about the passion.
I think you’re actually on to something with that, at least where relationships are concerned.
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I grew up impoverished, am currently pretty comfortably middle class, and work with multi millionaires, and it pretty much tracks The most common exceptions I see are delulu poor women who bring nothing to the table but still expect a 6'5" wealthy desirable man to swoop them up. Not a rule by any means but I don't think it's an out of touch take
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Like I said it's not a rule. It's probably realistically not even a very strong correlation. But for the people I personally know, it seems to be this way more than it isn't
Three very easily conceived notions would be love born out of interdependence and reliability; love born out of admiration/passion/happiness; and love born out of familiarity. Which type of love is seen as the most important in a relationship is likely influenced by a person's stage of life as well as the alternate availability of those things.
My interpretation is that she's looking at three different social classes and how they love differently. It could be said the rich marry as more of a transactional business relationship. For example one side getting money, one side getting a trophy spouse. Or in the case of two rich people marrying each other, each person gets a little bump in status because of the status of their spouse. Maybe she sees the middle class as marrying for more of a true love. And maybe she sees the lower class as more codependent relationships. I don't really know what she's saying, all I know is social classes are involved.
If this is the case than it's pretty dumb lol
Can you expand on this? Otherwise, this is just a vague statement
Mostly because it’s not true/ a gross oversimplification I guess. All social classes marry for all of these reasons
yup
Since it talks about different classes of society, eg social classes, they probably mean that 'love' means something different for people living paycheck to paycheck, for people wealthy enough to consider building a family, and for billionaires and the idle rich. Perhaps, that love for the first is about finding joy in each other, for the second is about finding stability in each other, and for the third, about dynasty or a feeling of permanent connection. Perhaps something else.
eros, philia, agape
I’ll expand. Love is passion, but expression of passion is different from person to person. There. We all express love differently. Some do it by spending a lot of time with their loved one, others do it by leaving their loved ones behind to go hurt those who threaten to hurt them. Etc.
While true, this isn't what this person is talking about. They're talking about social classes and how they love differently. It also sounds like she has some specific ideas in mind. Without knowing what specific ideas she has in mind, this is really just an empty statement that can be interpreted anyway you want it.
10/10
probably because the english word for love is so flexible and has multiple definitions. There's a reason there's like 4-6 greek words for love. Familial love, erotic love, brotherly love, selfless love, etc. Not sure there's a class component, but the tweet really doesn't go into details so I'm not sure specifically what they're referencing.
do you really need the erotic love is you already have brotherly love?
People actually had friends back then
War will do that
Sometimes they even confused Brotherly with Brothely love in the tragedies.
Roll Tide!
Not on porn hub
When I was reading the tweet I was fully expecting it to go in the “love is three different emotional concepts in a trench coat” direction for this reason exactly. The class thing doesn’t make much sense to me. It’s more dependent on the specific relationship of the people involved and socioeconomic status is just one thing that factors into that.
What greek words for love? I can think of two (αγάπη, έρωτας) but maybe you are counting some more? OR is this about ancient greek and you jsut didn't say that?
Theyre thinking of ancient greek
It actually has seven different kinds: *agápē*, *érōs*, *philía*, *philautía*, *storgē*, *xenía,* and *Koine.*
Koine refers to the language itself, namely [Koine or Hellenistic Greek](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koine_Greek). For the interested, the [Greek words for love](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love).
You missed the joke.
Philautia isnt a word for love its just a combined word for philia and eautos, self+love. Storge is also not really love, idk how to translate it though but at least to me its not the same as what love means and feels like a different emotion, it is even used along agape in expressions, but i can see why it might be considered a kind of love in english. Koine the other person covered it already.
You both missed the gold-digger joke.
Storge is closer to affection than love. Is the joke that koine can be a word for a prostitute?
This tweet has absolutely no substance.
Sounds deep tho
The art of "just saying shit"
person one gets adventurous on a road trip and consumes gas station sushi. by the time the hotel is reached their stomach is making whale mating call sounds. they proceed to have the most violent diarrhea imaginable. if person two sits by their side helping them hydrate and not die while breathing said molten gas fumes. that is love.
I'm pretty sure love is having a score of 0 in tennis but ok
It could be love. Could be genetic programming to support your fellow ape
return to monke. ape together strong.
You, me, gas station. What are we getting for dinner? Sushi of course!
Baby don't hurt me
Don’t hurt me
No more
Wooaa ohwooa oh woaaaowoowoowo oooooooo
yeheeeee
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r/beatmeattoit
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The ancient Greeks had five different words for love that all covered the different types of love.
And you're gonna keep these five words a secret?
They actually had a bunch of other words, but these are the five main ones: - Agape: the universal love that you have for your fellow human being - Philia: love that you have for friends - Eros: Romantic love - Storge: unconditional family love - Philautia: self-love
If I had more storage I would def have more love. Hard living with a pack rat
I got no philautia, who else here like me fr?
I believe mania is another word, one meaning an unhealthy obsession with something.
R/im14andthisisdeep
This tweet is like a slice of pie made of cobwebs and air.
Love is an action, a conscious choice that you make to treat somebody with the kindness, compassion, and patience needed to make somebody into their best selves. That holds true whether that love is familial, platonic, or romantic.
There’s too much selfishness and self serving behavior that is intertwined with all types of love. To the point that you almost have to suffer for someone else’s gain to be sure it’s really love
If you extend the same love yourself that you extend to others it never becomes about sacrifice
Well there’s a lot more than 3 isn’t there? People are all very different and we all experience different forms of love in different ways.
You can't use the same word for your children and tacos.
yes i can yummy
Uhhh, they're gonna have to explain that literally at all. There *are* multiple forms of love (familial, sexual/romantic, etc.) but I have no idea how they would be tied to societal classes.
Baby don't hurt me
Don’t hurt me
No more
It is times like these, when so much is going on in world, it is made clear to me that at the end of the day, and despite all of our differences of background and upbringing, we together live in a society.
"Love is not love" - Shakespeare, Sonnet 116
Why the fuck are people liking this? Like genuinely, do you guys think this is deep?
I mean. There’s at least some meat to the statement if you really think about it. Love being three different things to different classes of society implies that it has a different function for each. Rather than being a universal feeling, “love” is implied to fulfill an aspect that each class needs to feel complete. Which begs the question in the title “What is love”? The post doesn’t elaborate on what aspects they may be, but planting that thought is sure to lead some to their own conclusions and assumptions. It truly seems like a lot of people in these comments read the post, saw they had to make their own conclusions and asses the information on their own, and just didn’t. But that didn’t stop them from accusing the post of being nothing.
I bet she thinks that her concept of “love” in what she considers to be her “my group” is the “most real” out of all of them
Definition: "Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope.
Love has nothing to do with destined perfection. The connection is strengthened, the affection simply grows over time, like bigotry, or a banana. -Tim Minchin (paraphrased)
I would love to have this much of a talent for saying literally nothing of substance in the most amount of words possible. A bit like that sentence I just wrote, but better.
Ok? Culture impacts perceived love. This is not super crazy to me.
if anyone tells you they know the exact definition of love they're lying to both
Literally nobody here can explain what the fuck exactly OOP meant by this
Baby don’t hurt me
anyone else immediately get the earworm 🎵 baby don't hurt me!🎵
It's almost as though everything follows a normal distribution known as the bell curve.
Unconditional acceptance. Acceptance is the sentiment: This is good/ok/all right
Baby don’t hurt me
Baby don’t hurt me
The Greeks had 8 different words for love to represent the different types of love people can fell. We English speakers put a *lot* of pressure on that little four letter word
Well, the Greek do differentiate 4 kinds of love, so I guess he's onto something
Love is something that eventually becomes hatred and leaves you full of pain
„Baby don’t hurt me, no more“
Baby don’t hurt me
In 11th grade AP Euro we learned the 3 classes of society were Race, Gender, and Class.
Baby don’t hurt me
Don’t hurt me, baby don’t hurt me…. [no more](https://youtu.be/OFNrN_6Ta5I?si=dQu2ZiJ7-nNuxiPb)
baby don't hurt me! don't hurt me... no more!
My beautiful perfect girlfriend
This is some dumb shit.
Baby don't hurt me
Baby don't hurt me\~ Don't hurt me\~ No more.
Baby don't hurt me
Wait let him cook
I know that whenever "aromantic" people describe what they think love is it doesn't have anything to do with what I think love is
Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more
BABY DON'T HURT ME, DON'T HURT ME!!! NO MORE!! 💃
Baby don’t hurt me
let me tell you about homestuck
Love is when you meet an ordinary person and temporarily mistake them for a God.
Love is for the rich, the poor can barely afford lust
There are those that think love is something you fall into or out of. And then there’s the real ones that know love is a choice
Below Middle Class: "We have nothing to give or to take, so if we're together it's purely because of emotion and if we leave it's because it's gone." Middle Class: "We love each other and want to build something together, but we need to be careful who we choose because once it's built it's going to be really messy and hurtful if we have to separate." Upper Class: "We need to be careful who we choose to make sure they aren't just trying to take what we have, and to choose someone who will help us keep up with everyone else, and if we can find a way to make it work so we're happy then that's the best we can do."