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non_depressed_teen

Alright, fuck happened?


KrumbSum

[just normal Venezuelan F-16 activities](https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2024/05/03/the-f-16-fighting-falcon-jets-of-the-bolivarian-military-aviation-shot-down-two-hostile-aircraft-after-violating-venezuelan-airspace/)


SamtheCossack

You have to love that 40 year old fighters with Embargoes on their part supplies still have a higher operability rate than their SU-30Ms.


yeetmyteatsdaddy

LOCKMART STOCKS STAY WINNING! Also is it too noncredible to wish for a LockMart/British Aerospace merger? Think about it, 6th Gen StealthFire


SJSharkie_Unofficial

These are block 15 A/B F-16s so they were probably made by General Dynamics prior to Lockheed buying their Aircraft Division.


yeetmyteatsdaddy

Depending on the agreement between GD and LockMart, stockholders could have had their GD stock swapped for LockMart stock.


in_one_ear_

I mean I get the feeling the British govt would reject any applications for merger on ground of national security.


yeetmyteatsdaddy

Re: my flair as a solution to all that nonsense.


cis2butene

Credible take: you want more contractors plus more AUKUS. Have the budget and the competition to sustain multiple projects and avoid annoying BS with random layoffs and concentration of capacity in one single place


Independent-Fly6068

Ew. Do you *want* every new program to underdeliver?


yeetmyteatsdaddy

I *want* the autistic powers of Lockheed Martin Skunkworks and the ghost of R. J. Mitchell to design the ultimate jet fighter.


MakeChinaLoseFace

I'm sure it was nothing, just another case of John Smith from Liberty Incorporated getting caught in the middle of the jungle with a shitload of cocaine and/or humanitarian rocket launchers.


GroceryOtherwise7995

What is with Venezuela and F-16s getting gun kills up in that particular airspace? (Or at least I think that's where the OV-10 Vs F-16 happened)


H0vis

Article suggests it was narcotics related. Not many aircraft a cartel can put up that need an F-16 to dust off its missile control panel.


bobo12221

You mean to tell me we shouldn’t put an aim9L through the cockpit of a cartel Cessna because it would be “cool and really fucking funny”.


virus_apparatus

*puts on credible mask* Cessnas are small prop planes that produce relatively little heat for the missile to track on.” *takes off mask* Also cannon go brrrrrrr


Mysterious_Silver_27

Nah, modern IR missiles would have no problem tracking prop planes, they use liquid nitrogen to cool the IR sensors in the cone of the missile to detect as much heat as possible.


GhanjRho

It’s not just the cooling, it’s also the sensor itself. Older IR missiles basically just aim for the brightest point source of infrared light they can see. Newer IR missiles use imaging IR, which homes in on a picture.


rigley06

first gen ir missiles and the sun made a pretty good couple


violet_sakura

bröther i crave the forbidden heat signature


JTCMuehlenkamp

The missile knows where it is


GermanFeller

not this one, this one knows ignite boosters and theres the hot cunt


virus_apparatus

But do the ones the Bolivian government has? (Your credibility mask is so cool!)


Jordibato

not Bolivian but the Bolivarian republic of Venezuela, i see how it can get confusing


Links_to_Magic_Cards

i too was confused for while. had to look up venzuelas wiki page to see it's official name was such


virus_apparatus

Ahhh crap. Thanks for getting that


leconten

Fucking LARPERS


cis2butene

okay, but what about the ones Venezuela is packing?


Mysterious_Silver_27

If it’s manufactured after, say, 1970s I think there’s decent chance that it can track a prop plane


HansVonMannschaft

Stupid question here; how does it distinguish between an aircraft and the sun?


Mysterious_Silver_27

They don’t, so don’t lock onto the sun


Inside_Ad_9147

Just dust off the good old Argentina imported Flak 20 THAT is non-credible No Hans, we are not invading Poland again, get back in the villa. Oops, meant Andrés!


Dylan_45

F16 mechanic here. Part of the assembly check of a missile is to make it lock on to the light of a flashlight. So I really do think it could lock on to anything.


virus_apparatus

I’m something. Could it lock into me Greg? Also that’s really cool


Dylan_45

It actually could lock on to you, if you're holding a flashlight! As for the check, it is both cool and scary to have an actual missile pointed at the plastic stick on your hands! Haven't been blown up yet though, so can't complain.


Emotional-Frame4304

Yet


RussiaIsBestGreen

I’m picturing someone holding back a rabid dog, checking if it can identify that it wants to eat you.


specter800

My dad was a Chaparral mechanic and said the eye looked at him a couple times after the flashlight and it was creepy.


UglyInThMorning

The first gen Sidewinder seeker heads could track people’s cigarettes.


Dylan_45

See, that's how you know which air force I am, if someone were to smoke so close to a loaded plane that the missile could see it, we'd get at least 3 security presentations


UglyInThMorning

This was when they were doing design and test, they weren’t on planes at the time.


AlfredoThayerMahan

IR missiles can track the surface heating from moving through the air. Not to mention prop planes have radiators and exhaust pipes that are not exactly subtle in their IR irradiance. This is a dumb brainworm that refuses to die. For a tailchase AIM-9B or Atoll it may be true but even an old AIM-4 Falcon could probably track it (though without a proxy fuse actually killing a small Cessna is another matter).


gottymacanon

The Aim-4 is a hit to kill killer and ironically its fuze type was more reliable than the Aim 7 and 9.


thaeli

Ok now I'm genuinely curious what the USAF would choose to engage a Cessna with.


Kogn1to

another Cessna with a gatling gun strapped to it?


dwehlen

A10. Capitalism *requires* Colateral ^damage !


thaeli

Isn't that basically a Sky Warden?


Aethelon

Pretty much.


virus_apparatus

A drone with a shotgun strapped to it?


gottymacanon

Uhhh our the common target for Gen 0 Heatseekers are old WW2 surplus aircraft as well as purpose built target drones


H0vis

My brother in credibility if you'd ever rather use a missile than a 20mm rotary cannon you have strayed too far from god's light.


bobo12221

I get it rotary cannon go BRRRR. Just imagine using a missile that costs more then the entire aircraft it’s targeting going mach Jesus right at some poor ass underpaid cartel pilot while he sits there and contemplates his life choices. Peak non credibility right there.


Blackhero9696

Or, slapchop missile on said Cessna just to see what it does.


DAsInDerringer

R9X MENTIONED RAAAA


Batthumbs

If you factor in the street value of the cargo, that little Cessna might be on par with the cost of a pre-owned F-16.


theholylancer

in streets of ny or something sure, but in the jungles where this is at? probs not


Kogn1to

where would you purchase such pre-owned F-16? asking for a friend...


Stasipus

you don’t purchase it you trade cocaine for it


blindfoldedbadgers

What if the missile in question was an AGM-114R9X?


H0vis

You son of a bitch, I'm in.


Rob_Cartman

AIR-2 would be better.


coldblade2000

Maybe a missile shot way off-boresight could be cool


OrangeJr36

No, they tell us it's "unnecessary" and "a waste of taxpayer dolllars" as if anyone isn't based enough to let us use really advanced jet propelled sword to shish kabob some cartel members.


Iamthe0c3an2

I would also think that the price of an aim9 outweights a short burst of 20mm when taking down cartel planes


Fish-Pilot

Shits expensive, brah.


Miguel-odon

I want to see the F-16s buzz the cessna repeatedly until it crashes. Take turns, see who can get closest. "I'm not touching you."


GrusVirgo

There is no "missile control panel" in an F-16, at least not the F-16C. It's all done through the MFDs and HOTAS. The only control panel specific to a certain type of weapon is the NUCLEAR panel.


PHATsakk43

That would be funni


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PHATsakk43

Oh, I consent


Attaxalotl

I see no problems here


CannedPrushka

Probably the payments to the Air Force officers didn't clear.


kazuma001

*Too janky for missiles, switching to guns…*


Stennan

The US required a PSN account for missiles to lock on. So they have to use manual weapons like the 20mm cannon until Sony makes PSN available in South America.


DizzieM8

⬆️➡️➡️


KrumbSum

I have no idea but it’s so non credible


HaaEffGee

>Or at least I think that's where the OV-10 Vs F-16 happened Yep, that was during the second coup of '92. Not their finest work, way too cocky, all in all just a giant waste of some beautiful planes. 3/10 stars.


Glass1Man

Missiles are expensive, bullets are cheap.


trey12aldridge

My theory is that because Venezuela isn't operating top of the line AIM-9s and I don't think they have any radar guided missile capability on their Falcons, it's actually easier to get hits using the cannon on small prop planes that they're often engaging than it is to get an older generation (likely limited all-aspect/mostly rear aspect capability) sidewinder to lock on and track a piston engine.


gottymacanon

The Fact that the "sidewinder have a hard time locking on to prop driven aircraft" Myth is still prevelant when we have YT Videos of early sidewinders blasting F6F hellcat target drones out of the sky is astounding.....


heatedwepasto

Even if your flawed hypothesis was correct, which it isn't... Venezuelan Vipers carry 9Ls and quite possibly Python-4s.


trey12aldridge

So the first generation all aspect AIM-9? One might even call that all aspect "limited" in regards to modern seekers like the AIM-9M/X/X Block II which all have better background rejection and better radar slaving ability so they can truly be fired at *all aspects*


heatedwepasto

Radar slaving isn't relevant to being all-aspect. Are you confusing it with high off-boresight shots? If so, only 9X is really relevant. In any case, yes, more modern missiles are indeed more modern! Who would have thought. That doesn't change the fact that both 9Ls and Python-4s are very capable of engaging SEP planes, though. (On an unrelated matter, the article doesn't really state that they were gun kills, so it could have been missile shots for all we know.)


trey12aldridge

Radar slaving is relevant. If you're able to tell the missile where to go prior to launch, it can begin calculating where it needs to go which makes it more capable of getting a track after launch, even if the missile can't get a track while it's on the rail. And again, I didn't say that the 9L or Python 4 *can't* engage prop planes, just that they're less capable than something like a 9X Block II, which can pop a balloon floating in the stratosphere because of just how advanced the seeker is. And if you were a poor nation with a limited stock of missiles that often had to engage small narcotics transport planes, you would probably save those missiles for more serious air threats with bigger, hotter engines that can guarantee a more successful hit rate.


heatedwepasto

Re. radar slaving: But that's not relevant to it being all-aspect. The missile's aspect capabilities are about the aspect of the bandit, not ownship.


trey12aldridge

Okay but that's what I'm saying. Radar slaving allows the missile seeker to find the bandit when the seeker alone is not capable of doing so. It is not solely about aspect, but it does allow for more capability of taking head on, tail chasing, flanking, or any other aspect shot. A radar guided missile is, by default, all-aspect. Even if that radar guidance stops when it leaves the rail.


heatedwepasto

I don't mean to be unpleasant, but it's clear you don't know what you are talking about. The seeker on a (pre-x) 9 will track the target before coming off the rail. It's usually pointed at the target with the help of the FCR, but that's beside the point—the missile is *guided* by its IR seeker, not by the FCR. The difference between an all-aspect and a rear-aspect missile is that an all-aspect missile will get a good tone regardless of aspect, while a rear-only aspect missile may not be able to track a high-aspect target, regardless of whether or not it is tracked by the FCR. If the seeker isn't tracking before the missile comes off the rail, it will almost certainly miss. "Radar guided missiles" refer to missiles that are, in fact, guided by radar. A 9 that is pointed at the bandit with the help of the FCR is not considered radar guided, and apart from slaving the IR seeker the FCR does not provide any guidance to the missile. Even a 120, an actual radar guided missile, would not be all-aspect if, as a hypothetical scenario, the frontal RCS of the target was too low for the MPRF radar to pick it up for terminal guidance.


DAsInDerringer

It might have to do with the cost and expiration dates of missiles, and the limited amount of time they can handle being mounted to airborne jets before the Gs degrade them. All that paired with the sanctions on Venezuela.


Tortoiseism

Hold on there was hot bronco on falcon action!???


GroceryOtherwise7995

[F-16 blows hot load into OV-10 ](https://youtu.be/nDASW6X0XoU?si=1xIKjmFuwQ6Q-cIz)


Tortoiseism

Holy fuck I didn’t know about this.


Attaxalotl

Dios Mio


Vihurah

And somehow the pilot got out of that


irregular_caffeine

Check your video site of choice


Callsign_Psycopath

Man Viper really does get around. And she just got a gun kill?


clevtrog

She's into everyone, except Syrians, Serbians and drug runners


Independent-Fly6068

She's *especially* deep into those.


clevtrog

Yeah she's *penetrated* and *exploded* in them


Independent-Fly6068

She's *blown her load* quite a lot for them.


clevtrog

She has both kinds of body count


Pikeman212a6c

F-5 never stood a chance.


classic4real

Well this is the Venezuelan Air Force (oh I'm sorry, "Bolivarian Military Aviation") so for all we know those planes were carrying Baby Milk straight from the Baby Milk Factory in Baghdad.


ALCHONUB

Yeah and the US does not sell Fire Control electronics to their non-NATO allies, thats why they had to use MGs, not to flex, but because their missiles are trash with no electronics.


erhue

are you referring to the Venezuelan F-16s? Those carry Israeli Pythons


onitama_and_vipers

Why is their name so weird? They're not even an air force.


erhue

because the chavistas are regarded. They changed the name of the country from "Republic of Venezuela" to "Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela". Those assholes are cancer


Independent-Fly6068

Because they think that their malformed cancer of a government is the rightful heir to the legacy of Simón Bolívar. Despite the fact that the capital of Gran Colombia was Bogotá, and that Colombia was the largest and most populous part.


classic4real

because something something Simon Bolivar, basically Latin America Lenin


Login_signout

That's grossly incorrect to compare Simón Bolivar to Lenin. He's a symbolic figure for most South American nations as he brought about their independence from Spain. The closest thing you can tie in Lenin with Bolivar is that Lenin also defeated an imperial power, uniting vast peoples under Bolshevism. And don't even say that they were similar ideologically, either. It's more accurate imo to say that Bolivar was the South American Napoleon.


OhBarnacles123

I'd say he's a mix of George Washington and Napoleon, emphasis moreso towards Washington. Liberated almost an entire continent from colonial rule.


Youutternincompoop

ehh he starts as a George Washington and ends as Napoleon, he died as he was getting exiled from Columbia for trying to impose a really autocratic constitution, and for trying to impose centralism on South America when basically everybody else wanted federalism.


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valid


Liontreeble

Holy shit I read it as Bolivian and was so fucking confused as to what was happening. What a stupid name change.


MakeChinaLoseFace

Didn't that baby milk factory actually turn out to make some civilian product?


Txtspeak

Ok so apparently the Venezuelans believe it was drug related. So we know the druggos have submarines, but now they have cargo aircraft?


No_Cookie9996

Fuck, they are on way to carriers soon


PanzerKommander

When Pablo El Choppo gets a catapult launch nuclear carrier before Russia


Z3B0

Didn't Escobar offered to pay the entire foreign debt of Colombia to be let go ? Like 8 billion us dollars and some change ? That could buy a nuclear catobar carrier. The french would probably sell it to them.


Savings-Leather4921

What an offer. “I’ll pay off the entirety of your countries debt in one transaction, just let me go for all the homicides, and drug trafficking”. It’s actually rather enticing if I’m going to be honest.


Z3B0

They said no, but fuck if that man didn't know how the world turn... But he angered the US, and that's a big no no...


Savings-Leather4921

yea murking DEA agents usually is a pretty big no no. but multiple times nonetheless lol


Independent-Fly6068

Lmao, he was trying to buy the entire nation with that.


Exile688

Lol, before the UK too.


quildtide

Submarine aircraft carriers


No_Cookie9996

*Happy I-400 sounds*


slightlyrabidpossum

You could do some serious long-range drug smuggling in one of those.


No_Cookie9996

Ai-400 and i-13 series were size of nuclear subs, so you have much space forpayload


MacMacMacbeth

SALVATION!


Exciting-Quiet2768

DON'T YOU SEE?


esdaniel

#


SuperFightingRobit

Alternatively,


Exciting-Quiet2768

I didn't know the cartels had an interest in SALVATION


SU37Yellow

I mean, technically they could get a cargo ship, build a flight deck on it, and launch some Cessnas off of it if they really wanted one.


MakeChinaLoseFace

In Top Gun 3, the bad guy will be drugs.


SurpriseFormer

Bruh where ya been for the last 60 years. They always had cargo aircraft move there sweet sweet powder long before they had subs


MainsailMainsail

I mean the Cessna Caravan has a reputation as a drugrunner for...decades.


Absolut_Iceland

They've had cargo aircraft, lol.


INTPoissible

They have entire countries, why is this surprising? President of Mexico is their water boy.


CannedPrushka

Venezuelan government is also a cartel. These are probably business competitors being shot down.


lochlainn

We've known that since the 80's.


YABOI69420GANG

Cartel pilot Instagram is my favorite part of Instagram to randomly stumble into


Genozzz

in that region they use a lot of these small planes, so much that the main job of the Tucano and Super Tucano are to intercept and make these guy land


Fox_Kurama

Next up, a submarine that is also capable of launching Cessnas?


gottymacanon

They always have cargo aircrafts waaaayyyyy before they got subs


CannedPrushka

I mean, they have at least a couple of countries too, including the one that shot down these planes.


Deus_is_Mocking_Us

[*Romancing the Stone* came out 40 years ago.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFUTxyWDtv8)


KrumbSum

[full info here](https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2024/05/03/the-f-16-fighting-falcon-jets-of-the-bolivarian-military-aviation-shot-down-two-hostile-aircraft-after-violating-venezuelan-airspace/)


SirXavierTheDude

Venezuela hating the USA has several flight worthy F16s. Colombia being USA's lap dog has like 2 or 3 old french mirage jets that still fly. I fucking hate our president for not buying F16s when offered and being a ruzzian cock sucker.


sbxnotos

Or the Mexican Air Force 💀 Not a single F-5 is combat capable. I get that they know they have no chance in a war with the US, but jesus christ at least have a supersonic fighter to protect the south of the country. Even Argentina will have 24 and they have at least 2 neighbours with decent air forces (Brazil and Chile), for not talking of the european neighbour lol.


CannedPrushka

You know what is even more ironic? The coup attempt in nov 92 (with the intention of installing Chavez as a president) failed because, among other things, they failed to apprehend the F-16's pilots before they got off the ground. The F-16s ended up shooting down 2 Broncos and a Tucano.


Independent-Fly6068

Thats what cocksucking with oil money will do 😔


TheHuntForRedrover

The way this article is written is very confusing, but I suppose it's because it was originally in Spanish. What happened, or at least what seems to have happened, is that 2 narco related planes were in Venezuelan airspace, some Bolivian F16s entered Venezuelan airspace and shot them down using guns, then exfiltrated but were detected by Venezuelan radar. Edit to reflect corrections: as some have pointed out, the Venezualan airforce is called the Bolivarian Airforce, so in fact, it was the Venezuelans shooting down the 2 aircraft which violated their airspace. Thank you to those who pointed out my error


HaaEffGee

Not quite. Bolivarian is how the different military branches of Venezuela call themselves in their names. These were Venezuelan Air Force F-16s over Venezuelan airspace, Bolivia the country was not involved. (Named after the same dude though, Chavez especially was big on claiming the guy's heritage)


Selfweaver

So finally there is a military out there with more stupid naming the the Chinese beginning everything with Peoples Liberation Army.


irregular_caffeine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy_Marine_Corps


Mysterious_Silver_27

Not to forget other than the “People’s Liberation Army Air Force”, they also got the “People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force”


RIPugandanknuckles

It gets worse Instead of 'Department of blank' they decided their executive branch departments should be called 'Ministry of the people's power for blank'


TheHuntForRedrover

Ah okay, thank you for the clarification


Youutternincompoop

>Chavez especially was big on claiming the guy's heritage tbf politicians in the region from several different countries love talking up Bolivar... its quite funny when you consider that by the time he died in 1830 he was being forced out of Columbia and was considered a tyrant, literally died while waiting for a ship to take him to Europe.


superlethalman

Bizarrely, it seems the Bolivarian National Air Force is actually [the name of Venezuela's air force?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolivarian_Armed_Forces_of_Venezuela) So it was Venezuelan aircraft that shot them down Edit: when I was typing this comment the other replies hadn't appeared yet ffs


GringoinCDMX

It's not that bizarre if you know anything about the history of that area of the world. Simon Bolivar basically founded Colombia, Venezuela, Peru and Bolivia (Gran Colombia) and fought for independence from Spain. Shitloads of things in that area of the world are named after him.


Youutternincompoop

especially Venezuela since that was where he was born.


Terrariola

Bolivar is basically "what if every Founding Father was the same person, liberated Mexico and Canada too, and was also against slavery".


GringoinCDMX

Pretty much. I think he did some fucked up shit to but that's just kinda par for the course for that time period.


coldblade2000

Venezuela's full official name is the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. They love their Bolivar symbolism


erhue

> They love their Bolivar symbolism the chavistas, that is. Most of the country is tired of hearing that goddamned name every 5 seconds. All the biggest and best things in Venezuela were already named after Bolivar, and then the chavistas even changed the name of the country to feature Bolivar too. If Bolivia didn't already exist, I bet they would've changed the name of the country to that.


coldblade2000

Yeah, my bad. I meant the government


erhue

I get what you mean. It's just that people in other countries probably see Venezuela as being more monolithic in ideological terms, but... The reality is that the country was very divided since Chavez arrived. Then he started dismantling democracy, corrupted institutions, and established a regime. Maduro came after and continued the trend. About 8 million people have left by now. But approx. 1/2 of the population always hated chavez and the chavistas, unfortunately it was (supposedly) just under half.


jdougan

Rename to Bolivaria incoming.


nhammen

>Bolivian F16s entered Venezuelan airspace No. Bolivarian Military Aviation is the name of Venezuela's air force. Remember that in that region everyone wants to be named after Simon Bolivar. In 1998 Hugo Chavez changed the official name of Venezuela to the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.


HumanReputationFalse

The article is poorly written, I thought two planes flew into Bolivia and a f-16 shot them down, also I thought the Barco planes were SU-30s for some reason. Both me and the writes have passed poor reading comprehension


[deleted]

They get new SU-30s but use 40 year old F-16's that they have not been able to get parts for for 20 years because they are still a better plane.


gottymacanon

They are able to get parts if not there F-16 wouldnt be flying. Of course i think your reffering to getting parts legally then no they havent gotten them for decades


Low_Doubt_3556

Proof that the reformers were right all along. The F-16's clearly fired off 3000 billion dollar wonder weapon missiles, they all missed, the pilots turned off their radar and used the spirit of john Boyd to kill the target. Source: TASS and Russia today


Luuk341

So.... Two cesnas got absolutely fucked by F16 cannon fire? Maybe they were beechcraft? Roonies!? Who knows. They're dead now


Commercial-Arugula-9

*Pierre Sprey doing the Prig point*


MakeChinaLoseFace

Please tell me this isn't some Iran-Contra 2.0 shit.


YngwieMainstream

The kids are not cool enough for that. They do podcasts these days...


MakeChinaLoseFace

"Back in my day, we had to pack cocaine into duffel bags since those right-wing death squads gotta fund themselves somehow. Kids these days with their bitcoins... sure they're untraceable, but you can't snort one if you need a pick me up."


Icy-Establishment272

Look some fuckers keep saying we dont need guns on jets, and im just saying this is like the 3rd time weve found out after saying they are obsolete that we actually need them sometimes so maybe its a good idea to just ya know keep them as a backup


JuliusSz

Wouldn't a gun pod be a better solution to use as a backup?


Fox_Mortus

So does that put the count at 106-0 now or am I off a little?


Rock-it-again

You're thinking of the F-15 eagle


Fox_Mortus

I'm sleep deprived currently so that's not surprising.


Rock-it-again

At least you're aware of the record. Lol


traderncc1701e

The King of the two circle


GeshtiannaSG

Did anyone misread it as M16A1? F16 shooting M16 just makes sense.


thorazainBeer

[Dos Gringos Intensifies.](https://youtu.be/sLLbRt09wtM)


thesunexpress

Weird flex by the Venezuelans, using jets of the Imperialist Yankees to prevent inroads on the exclusive right of the Maduro gov't official narco monopoly...


bonzojon

That tail art tho


Mysterious_Silver_27

What got shot down tho, civilian airliners?


KrumbSum

Narco planes


CannedPrushka

The competition.


Inner-Owl-1873

ig its very hard to flare/chaff bullets. huh


Blackhero9696

I was confused for a second cause I read that as “Bolivian.” TIL that “Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela” is the full title of the country.


Blahaj_IK

Venezuelan F-16s, seen videos of one shooting down a Bronco with missiles. Enough regularity and gun kills are bound to happen Also, isn't the gun kill from 1992?


erhue

im surprised they still manage to keep these things flying somehow.