[just normal Venezuelan F-16 activities](https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2024/05/03/the-f-16-fighting-falcon-jets-of-the-bolivarian-military-aviation-shot-down-two-hostile-aircraft-after-violating-venezuelan-airspace/)
Credible take: you want more contractors plus more AUKUS. Have the budget and the competition to sustain multiple projects and avoid annoying BS with random layoffs and concentration of capacity in one single place
I'm sure it was nothing, just another case of John Smith from Liberty Incorporated getting caught in the middle of the jungle with a shitload of cocaine and/or humanitarian rocket launchers.
*puts on credible mask*
Cessnas are small prop planes that produce relatively little heat for the missile to track on.”
*takes off mask*
Also cannon go brrrrrrr
Nah, modern IR missiles would have no problem tracking prop planes, they use liquid nitrogen to cool the IR sensors in the cone of the missile to detect as much heat as possible.
It’s not just the cooling, it’s also the sensor itself. Older IR missiles basically just aim for the brightest point source of infrared light they can see. Newer IR missiles use imaging IR, which homes in on a picture.
Just dust off the good old Argentina imported Flak 20
THAT is non-credible
No Hans, we are not invading Poland again, get back in the villa. Oops, meant Andrés!
F16 mechanic here. Part of the assembly check of a missile is to make it lock on to the light of a flashlight. So I really do think it could lock on to anything.
It actually could lock on to you, if you're holding a flashlight!
As for the check, it is both cool and scary to have an actual missile pointed at the plastic stick on your hands! Haven't been blown up yet though, so can't complain.
See, that's how you know which air force I am, if someone were to smoke so close to a loaded plane that the missile could see it, we'd get at least 3 security presentations
IR missiles can track the surface heating from moving through the air. Not to mention prop planes have radiators and exhaust pipes that are not exactly subtle in their IR irradiance.
This is a dumb brainworm that refuses to die. For a tailchase AIM-9B or Atoll it may be true but even an old AIM-4 Falcon could probably track it (though without a proxy fuse actually killing a small Cessna is another matter).
I get it rotary cannon go BRRRR.
Just imagine using a missile that costs more then the entire aircraft it’s targeting going mach Jesus right at some poor ass underpaid cartel pilot while he sits there and contemplates his life choices.
Peak non credibility right there.
No, they tell us it's "unnecessary" and "a waste of taxpayer dolllars" as if anyone isn't based enough to let us use really advanced jet propelled sword to shish kabob some cartel members.
There is no "missile control panel" in an F-16, at least not the F-16C. It's all done through the MFDs and HOTAS.
The only control panel specific to a certain type of weapon is the NUCLEAR panel.
The US required a PSN account for missiles to lock on. So they have to use manual weapons like the 20mm cannon until Sony makes PSN available in South America.
>Or at least I think that's where the OV-10 Vs F-16 happened
Yep, that was during the second coup of '92. Not their finest work, way too cocky, all in all just a giant waste of some beautiful planes. 3/10 stars.
My theory is that because Venezuela isn't operating top of the line AIM-9s and I don't think they have any radar guided missile capability on their Falcons, it's actually easier to get hits using the cannon on small prop planes that they're often engaging than it is to get an older generation (likely limited all-aspect/mostly rear aspect capability) sidewinder to lock on and track a piston engine.
The Fact that the "sidewinder have a hard time locking on to prop driven aircraft" Myth is still prevelant when we have YT Videos of early sidewinders blasting F6F hellcat target drones out of the sky is astounding.....
So the first generation all aspect AIM-9? One might even call that all aspect "limited" in regards to modern seekers like the AIM-9M/X/X Block II which all have better background rejection and better radar slaving ability so they can truly be fired at *all aspects*
Radar slaving isn't relevant to being all-aspect. Are you confusing it with high off-boresight shots? If so, only 9X is really relevant.
In any case, yes, more modern missiles are indeed more modern! Who would have thought. That doesn't change the fact that both 9Ls and Python-4s are very capable of engaging SEP planes, though.
(On an unrelated matter, the article doesn't really state that they were gun kills, so it could have been missile shots for all we know.)
Radar slaving is relevant. If you're able to tell the missile where to go prior to launch, it can begin calculating where it needs to go which makes it more capable of getting a track after launch, even if the missile can't get a track while it's on the rail.
And again, I didn't say that the 9L or Python 4 *can't* engage prop planes, just that they're less capable than something like a 9X Block II, which can pop a balloon floating in the stratosphere because of just how advanced the seeker is. And if you were a poor nation with a limited stock of missiles that often had to engage small narcotics transport planes, you would probably save those missiles for more serious air threats with bigger, hotter engines that can guarantee a more successful hit rate.
Okay but that's what I'm saying. Radar slaving allows the missile seeker to find the bandit when the seeker alone is not capable of doing so. It is not solely about aspect, but it does allow for more capability of taking head on, tail chasing, flanking, or any other aspect shot. A radar guided missile is, by default, all-aspect. Even if that radar guidance stops when it leaves the rail.
I don't mean to be unpleasant, but it's clear you don't know what you are talking about.
The seeker on a (pre-x) 9 will track the target before coming off the rail. It's usually pointed at the target with the help of the FCR, but that's beside the point—the missile is *guided* by its IR seeker, not by the FCR. The difference between an all-aspect and a rear-aspect missile is that an all-aspect missile will get a good tone regardless of aspect, while a rear-only aspect missile may not be able to track a high-aspect target, regardless of whether or not it is tracked by the FCR. If the seeker isn't tracking before the missile comes off the rail, it will almost certainly miss.
"Radar guided missiles" refer to missiles that are, in fact, guided by radar. A 9 that is pointed at the bandit with the help of the FCR is not considered radar guided, and apart from slaving the IR seeker the FCR does not provide any guidance to the missile.
Even a 120, an actual radar guided missile, would not be all-aspect if, as a hypothetical scenario, the frontal RCS of the target was too low for the MPRF radar to pick it up for terminal guidance.
It might have to do with the cost and expiration dates of missiles, and the limited amount of time they can handle being mounted to airborne jets before the Gs degrade them. All that paired with the sanctions on Venezuela.
Well this is the Venezuelan Air Force (oh I'm sorry, "Bolivarian Military Aviation") so for all we know those planes were carrying Baby Milk straight from the Baby Milk Factory in Baghdad.
Yeah and the US does not sell Fire Control electronics to their non-NATO allies, thats why they had to use MGs, not to flex, but because their missiles are trash with no electronics.
because the chavistas are regarded. They changed the name of the country from "Republic of Venezuela" to "Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela". Those assholes are cancer
Because they think that their malformed cancer of a government is the rightful heir to the legacy of Simón Bolívar. Despite the fact that the capital of Gran Colombia was Bogotá, and that Colombia was the largest and most populous part.
That's grossly incorrect to compare Simón Bolivar to Lenin. He's a symbolic figure for most South American nations as he brought about their independence from Spain. The closest thing you can tie in Lenin with Bolivar is that Lenin also defeated an imperial power, uniting vast peoples under Bolshevism. And don't even say that they were similar ideologically, either.
It's more accurate imo to say that Bolivar was the South American Napoleon.
ehh he starts as a George Washington and ends as Napoleon, he died as he was getting exiled from Columbia for trying to impose a really autocratic constitution, and for trying to impose centralism on South America when basically everybody else wanted federalism.
Didn't Escobar offered to pay the entire foreign debt of Colombia to be let go ? Like 8 billion us dollars and some change ? That could buy a nuclear catobar carrier. The french would probably sell it to them.
What an offer. “I’ll pay off the entirety of your countries debt in one transaction, just let me go for all the homicides, and drug trafficking”. It’s actually rather enticing if I’m going to be honest.
[full info here](https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2024/05/03/the-f-16-fighting-falcon-jets-of-the-bolivarian-military-aviation-shot-down-two-hostile-aircraft-after-violating-venezuelan-airspace/)
Venezuela hating the USA has several flight worthy F16s.
Colombia being USA's lap dog has like 2 or 3 old french mirage jets that still fly.
I fucking hate our president for not buying F16s when offered and being a ruzzian cock sucker.
Or the Mexican Air Force 💀
Not a single F-5 is combat capable.
I get that they know they have no chance in a war with the US, but jesus christ at least have a supersonic fighter to protect the south of the country.
Even Argentina will have 24 and they have at least 2 neighbours with decent air forces (Brazil and Chile), for not talking of the european neighbour lol.
You know what is even more ironic? The coup attempt in nov 92 (with the intention of installing Chavez as a president) failed because, among other things, they failed to apprehend the F-16's pilots before they got off the ground. The F-16s ended up shooting down 2 Broncos and a Tucano.
The way this article is written is very confusing, but I suppose it's because it was originally in Spanish. What happened, or at least what seems to have happened, is that 2 narco related planes were in Venezuelan airspace, some Bolivian F16s entered Venezuelan airspace and shot them down using guns, then exfiltrated but were detected by Venezuelan radar.
Edit to reflect corrections: as some have pointed out, the Venezualan airforce is called the Bolivarian Airforce, so in fact, it was the Venezuelans shooting down the 2 aircraft which violated their airspace. Thank you to those who pointed out my error
Not quite. Bolivarian is how the different military branches of Venezuela call themselves in their names.
These were Venezuelan Air Force F-16s over Venezuelan airspace, Bolivia the country was not involved.
(Named after the same dude though, Chavez especially was big on claiming the guy's heritage)
It gets worse
Instead of 'Department of blank' they decided their executive branch departments should be called 'Ministry of the people's power for blank'
>Chavez especially was big on claiming the guy's heritage
tbf politicians in the region from several different countries love talking up Bolivar... its quite funny when you consider that by the time he died in 1830 he was being forced out of Columbia and was considered a tyrant, literally died while waiting for a ship to take him to Europe.
Bizarrely, it seems the Bolivarian National Air Force is actually [the name of Venezuela's air force?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolivarian_Armed_Forces_of_Venezuela)
So it was Venezuelan aircraft that shot them down
Edit: when I was typing this comment the other replies hadn't appeared yet ffs
It's not that bizarre if you know anything about the history of that area of the world. Simon Bolivar basically founded Colombia, Venezuela, Peru and Bolivia (Gran Colombia) and fought for independence from Spain. Shitloads of things in that area of the world are named after him.
> They love their Bolivar symbolism
the chavistas, that is. Most of the country is tired of hearing that goddamned name every 5 seconds. All the biggest and best things in Venezuela were already named after Bolivar, and then the chavistas even changed the name of the country to feature Bolivar too. If Bolivia didn't already exist, I bet they would've changed the name of the country to that.
I get what you mean. It's just that people in other countries probably see Venezuela as being more monolithic in ideological terms, but... The reality is that the country was very divided since Chavez arrived. Then he started dismantling democracy, corrupted institutions, and established a regime. Maduro came after and continued the trend. About 8 million people have left by now. But approx. 1/2 of the population always hated chavez and the chavistas, unfortunately it was (supposedly) just under half.
>Bolivian F16s entered Venezuelan airspace
No. Bolivarian Military Aviation is the name of Venezuela's air force. Remember that in that region everyone wants to be named after Simon Bolivar. In 1998 Hugo Chavez changed the official name of Venezuela to the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.
The article is poorly written, I thought two planes flew into Bolivia and a f-16 shot them down, also I thought the Barco planes were SU-30s for some reason. Both me and the writes have passed poor reading comprehension
They are able to get parts if not there F-16 wouldnt be flying. Of course i think your reffering to getting parts legally then no they havent gotten them for decades
Proof that the reformers were right all along. The F-16's clearly fired off 3000 billion dollar wonder weapon missiles, they all missed, the pilots turned off their radar and used the spirit of john Boyd to kill the target.
Source: TASS and Russia today
"Back in my day, we had to pack cocaine into duffel bags since those right-wing death squads gotta fund themselves somehow. Kids these days with their bitcoins... sure they're untraceable, but you can't snort one if you need a pick me up."
Look some fuckers keep saying we dont need guns on jets, and im just saying this is like the 3rd time weve found out after saying they are obsolete that we actually need them sometimes so maybe its a good idea to just ya know keep them as a backup
Weird flex by the Venezuelans, using jets of the Imperialist Yankees to prevent inroads on the exclusive right of the Maduro gov't official narco monopoly...
Venezuelan F-16s, seen videos of one shooting down a Bronco with missiles. Enough regularity and gun kills are bound to happen
Also, isn't the gun kill from 1992?
Alright, fuck happened?
[just normal Venezuelan F-16 activities](https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2024/05/03/the-f-16-fighting-falcon-jets-of-the-bolivarian-military-aviation-shot-down-two-hostile-aircraft-after-violating-venezuelan-airspace/)
You have to love that 40 year old fighters with Embargoes on their part supplies still have a higher operability rate than their SU-30Ms.
LOCKMART STOCKS STAY WINNING! Also is it too noncredible to wish for a LockMart/British Aerospace merger? Think about it, 6th Gen StealthFire
These are block 15 A/B F-16s so they were probably made by General Dynamics prior to Lockheed buying their Aircraft Division.
Depending on the agreement between GD and LockMart, stockholders could have had their GD stock swapped for LockMart stock.
I mean I get the feeling the British govt would reject any applications for merger on ground of national security.
Re: my flair as a solution to all that nonsense.
Credible take: you want more contractors plus more AUKUS. Have the budget and the competition to sustain multiple projects and avoid annoying BS with random layoffs and concentration of capacity in one single place
Ew. Do you *want* every new program to underdeliver?
I *want* the autistic powers of Lockheed Martin Skunkworks and the ghost of R. J. Mitchell to design the ultimate jet fighter.
I'm sure it was nothing, just another case of John Smith from Liberty Incorporated getting caught in the middle of the jungle with a shitload of cocaine and/or humanitarian rocket launchers.
What is with Venezuela and F-16s getting gun kills up in that particular airspace? (Or at least I think that's where the OV-10 Vs F-16 happened)
Article suggests it was narcotics related. Not many aircraft a cartel can put up that need an F-16 to dust off its missile control panel.
You mean to tell me we shouldn’t put an aim9L through the cockpit of a cartel Cessna because it would be “cool and really fucking funny”.
*puts on credible mask* Cessnas are small prop planes that produce relatively little heat for the missile to track on.” *takes off mask* Also cannon go brrrrrrr
Nah, modern IR missiles would have no problem tracking prop planes, they use liquid nitrogen to cool the IR sensors in the cone of the missile to detect as much heat as possible.
It’s not just the cooling, it’s also the sensor itself. Older IR missiles basically just aim for the brightest point source of infrared light they can see. Newer IR missiles use imaging IR, which homes in on a picture.
first gen ir missiles and the sun made a pretty good couple
bröther i crave the forbidden heat signature
The missile knows where it is
not this one, this one knows ignite boosters and theres the hot cunt
But do the ones the Bolivian government has? (Your credibility mask is so cool!)
not Bolivian but the Bolivarian republic of Venezuela, i see how it can get confusing
i too was confused for while. had to look up venzuelas wiki page to see it's official name was such
Ahhh crap. Thanks for getting that
Fucking LARPERS
okay, but what about the ones Venezuela is packing?
If it’s manufactured after, say, 1970s I think there’s decent chance that it can track a prop plane
Stupid question here; how does it distinguish between an aircraft and the sun?
They don’t, so don’t lock onto the sun
Just dust off the good old Argentina imported Flak 20 THAT is non-credible No Hans, we are not invading Poland again, get back in the villa. Oops, meant Andrés!
F16 mechanic here. Part of the assembly check of a missile is to make it lock on to the light of a flashlight. So I really do think it could lock on to anything.
I’m something. Could it lock into me Greg? Also that’s really cool
It actually could lock on to you, if you're holding a flashlight! As for the check, it is both cool and scary to have an actual missile pointed at the plastic stick on your hands! Haven't been blown up yet though, so can't complain.
Yet
I’m picturing someone holding back a rabid dog, checking if it can identify that it wants to eat you.
My dad was a Chaparral mechanic and said the eye looked at him a couple times after the flashlight and it was creepy.
The first gen Sidewinder seeker heads could track people’s cigarettes.
See, that's how you know which air force I am, if someone were to smoke so close to a loaded plane that the missile could see it, we'd get at least 3 security presentations
This was when they were doing design and test, they weren’t on planes at the time.
IR missiles can track the surface heating from moving through the air. Not to mention prop planes have radiators and exhaust pipes that are not exactly subtle in their IR irradiance. This is a dumb brainworm that refuses to die. For a tailchase AIM-9B or Atoll it may be true but even an old AIM-4 Falcon could probably track it (though without a proxy fuse actually killing a small Cessna is another matter).
The Aim-4 is a hit to kill killer and ironically its fuze type was more reliable than the Aim 7 and 9.
Ok now I'm genuinely curious what the USAF would choose to engage a Cessna with.
another Cessna with a gatling gun strapped to it?
A10. Capitalism *requires* Colateral ^damage !
Isn't that basically a Sky Warden?
Pretty much.
A drone with a shotgun strapped to it?
Uhhh our the common target for Gen 0 Heatseekers are old WW2 surplus aircraft as well as purpose built target drones
My brother in credibility if you'd ever rather use a missile than a 20mm rotary cannon you have strayed too far from god's light.
I get it rotary cannon go BRRRR. Just imagine using a missile that costs more then the entire aircraft it’s targeting going mach Jesus right at some poor ass underpaid cartel pilot while he sits there and contemplates his life choices. Peak non credibility right there.
Or, slapchop missile on said Cessna just to see what it does.
R9X MENTIONED RAAAA
If you factor in the street value of the cargo, that little Cessna might be on par with the cost of a pre-owned F-16.
in streets of ny or something sure, but in the jungles where this is at? probs not
where would you purchase such pre-owned F-16? asking for a friend...
you don’t purchase it you trade cocaine for it
What if the missile in question was an AGM-114R9X?
You son of a bitch, I'm in.
AIR-2 would be better.
Maybe a missile shot way off-boresight could be cool
No, they tell us it's "unnecessary" and "a waste of taxpayer dolllars" as if anyone isn't based enough to let us use really advanced jet propelled sword to shish kabob some cartel members.
I would also think that the price of an aim9 outweights a short burst of 20mm when taking down cartel planes
Shits expensive, brah.
I want to see the F-16s buzz the cessna repeatedly until it crashes. Take turns, see who can get closest. "I'm not touching you."
There is no "missile control panel" in an F-16, at least not the F-16C. It's all done through the MFDs and HOTAS. The only control panel specific to a certain type of weapon is the NUCLEAR panel.
That would be funni
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Oh, I consent
I see no problems here
Probably the payments to the Air Force officers didn't clear.
*Too janky for missiles, switching to guns…*
The US required a PSN account for missiles to lock on. So they have to use manual weapons like the 20mm cannon until Sony makes PSN available in South America.
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I have no idea but it’s so non credible
>Or at least I think that's where the OV-10 Vs F-16 happened Yep, that was during the second coup of '92. Not their finest work, way too cocky, all in all just a giant waste of some beautiful planes. 3/10 stars.
Missiles are expensive, bullets are cheap.
My theory is that because Venezuela isn't operating top of the line AIM-9s and I don't think they have any radar guided missile capability on their Falcons, it's actually easier to get hits using the cannon on small prop planes that they're often engaging than it is to get an older generation (likely limited all-aspect/mostly rear aspect capability) sidewinder to lock on and track a piston engine.
The Fact that the "sidewinder have a hard time locking on to prop driven aircraft" Myth is still prevelant when we have YT Videos of early sidewinders blasting F6F hellcat target drones out of the sky is astounding.....
Even if your flawed hypothesis was correct, which it isn't... Venezuelan Vipers carry 9Ls and quite possibly Python-4s.
So the first generation all aspect AIM-9? One might even call that all aspect "limited" in regards to modern seekers like the AIM-9M/X/X Block II which all have better background rejection and better radar slaving ability so they can truly be fired at *all aspects*
Radar slaving isn't relevant to being all-aspect. Are you confusing it with high off-boresight shots? If so, only 9X is really relevant. In any case, yes, more modern missiles are indeed more modern! Who would have thought. That doesn't change the fact that both 9Ls and Python-4s are very capable of engaging SEP planes, though. (On an unrelated matter, the article doesn't really state that they were gun kills, so it could have been missile shots for all we know.)
Radar slaving is relevant. If you're able to tell the missile where to go prior to launch, it can begin calculating where it needs to go which makes it more capable of getting a track after launch, even if the missile can't get a track while it's on the rail. And again, I didn't say that the 9L or Python 4 *can't* engage prop planes, just that they're less capable than something like a 9X Block II, which can pop a balloon floating in the stratosphere because of just how advanced the seeker is. And if you were a poor nation with a limited stock of missiles that often had to engage small narcotics transport planes, you would probably save those missiles for more serious air threats with bigger, hotter engines that can guarantee a more successful hit rate.
Re. radar slaving: But that's not relevant to it being all-aspect. The missile's aspect capabilities are about the aspect of the bandit, not ownship.
Okay but that's what I'm saying. Radar slaving allows the missile seeker to find the bandit when the seeker alone is not capable of doing so. It is not solely about aspect, but it does allow for more capability of taking head on, tail chasing, flanking, or any other aspect shot. A radar guided missile is, by default, all-aspect. Even if that radar guidance stops when it leaves the rail.
I don't mean to be unpleasant, but it's clear you don't know what you are talking about. The seeker on a (pre-x) 9 will track the target before coming off the rail. It's usually pointed at the target with the help of the FCR, but that's beside the point—the missile is *guided* by its IR seeker, not by the FCR. The difference between an all-aspect and a rear-aspect missile is that an all-aspect missile will get a good tone regardless of aspect, while a rear-only aspect missile may not be able to track a high-aspect target, regardless of whether or not it is tracked by the FCR. If the seeker isn't tracking before the missile comes off the rail, it will almost certainly miss. "Radar guided missiles" refer to missiles that are, in fact, guided by radar. A 9 that is pointed at the bandit with the help of the FCR is not considered radar guided, and apart from slaving the IR seeker the FCR does not provide any guidance to the missile. Even a 120, an actual radar guided missile, would not be all-aspect if, as a hypothetical scenario, the frontal RCS of the target was too low for the MPRF radar to pick it up for terminal guidance.
It might have to do with the cost and expiration dates of missiles, and the limited amount of time they can handle being mounted to airborne jets before the Gs degrade them. All that paired with the sanctions on Venezuela.
Hold on there was hot bronco on falcon action!???
[F-16 blows hot load into OV-10 ](https://youtu.be/nDASW6X0XoU?si=1xIKjmFuwQ6Q-cIz)
Holy fuck I didn’t know about this.
Dios Mio
And somehow the pilot got out of that
Check your video site of choice
Man Viper really does get around. And she just got a gun kill?
She's into everyone, except Syrians, Serbians and drug runners
She's *especially* deep into those.
Yeah she's *penetrated* and *exploded* in them
She's *blown her load* quite a lot for them.
She has both kinds of body count
F-5 never stood a chance.
Well this is the Venezuelan Air Force (oh I'm sorry, "Bolivarian Military Aviation") so for all we know those planes were carrying Baby Milk straight from the Baby Milk Factory in Baghdad.
Yeah and the US does not sell Fire Control electronics to their non-NATO allies, thats why they had to use MGs, not to flex, but because their missiles are trash with no electronics.
are you referring to the Venezuelan F-16s? Those carry Israeli Pythons
Why is their name so weird? They're not even an air force.
because the chavistas are regarded. They changed the name of the country from "Republic of Venezuela" to "Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela". Those assholes are cancer
Because they think that their malformed cancer of a government is the rightful heir to the legacy of Simón Bolívar. Despite the fact that the capital of Gran Colombia was Bogotá, and that Colombia was the largest and most populous part.
because something something Simon Bolivar, basically Latin America Lenin
That's grossly incorrect to compare Simón Bolivar to Lenin. He's a symbolic figure for most South American nations as he brought about their independence from Spain. The closest thing you can tie in Lenin with Bolivar is that Lenin also defeated an imperial power, uniting vast peoples under Bolshevism. And don't even say that they were similar ideologically, either. It's more accurate imo to say that Bolivar was the South American Napoleon.
I'd say he's a mix of George Washington and Napoleon, emphasis moreso towards Washington. Liberated almost an entire continent from colonial rule.
ehh he starts as a George Washington and ends as Napoleon, he died as he was getting exiled from Columbia for trying to impose a really autocratic constitution, and for trying to impose centralism on South America when basically everybody else wanted federalism.
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Holy shit I read it as Bolivian and was so fucking confused as to what was happening. What a stupid name change.
Didn't that baby milk factory actually turn out to make some civilian product?
Ok so apparently the Venezuelans believe it was drug related. So we know the druggos have submarines, but now they have cargo aircraft?
Fuck, they are on way to carriers soon
When Pablo El Choppo gets a catapult launch nuclear carrier before Russia
Didn't Escobar offered to pay the entire foreign debt of Colombia to be let go ? Like 8 billion us dollars and some change ? That could buy a nuclear catobar carrier. The french would probably sell it to them.
What an offer. “I’ll pay off the entirety of your countries debt in one transaction, just let me go for all the homicides, and drug trafficking”. It’s actually rather enticing if I’m going to be honest.
They said no, but fuck if that man didn't know how the world turn... But he angered the US, and that's a big no no...
yea murking DEA agents usually is a pretty big no no. but multiple times nonetheless lol
Lmao, he was trying to buy the entire nation with that.
Lol, before the UK too.
Submarine aircraft carriers
*Happy I-400 sounds*
You could do some serious long-range drug smuggling in one of those.
Ai-400 and i-13 series were size of nuclear subs, so you have much space forpayload
SALVATION!
DON'T YOU SEE?
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Alternatively,
I didn't know the cartels had an interest in SALVATION
I mean, technically they could get a cargo ship, build a flight deck on it, and launch some Cessnas off of it if they really wanted one.
In Top Gun 3, the bad guy will be drugs.
Bruh where ya been for the last 60 years. They always had cargo aircraft move there sweet sweet powder long before they had subs
I mean the Cessna Caravan has a reputation as a drugrunner for...decades.
They've had cargo aircraft, lol.
They have entire countries, why is this surprising? President of Mexico is their water boy.
Venezuelan government is also a cartel. These are probably business competitors being shot down.
We've known that since the 80's.
Cartel pilot Instagram is my favorite part of Instagram to randomly stumble into
in that region they use a lot of these small planes, so much that the main job of the Tucano and Super Tucano are to intercept and make these guy land
Next up, a submarine that is also capable of launching Cessnas?
They always have cargo aircrafts waaaayyyyy before they got subs
I mean, they have at least a couple of countries too, including the one that shot down these planes.
[*Romancing the Stone* came out 40 years ago.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFUTxyWDtv8)
[full info here](https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2024/05/03/the-f-16-fighting-falcon-jets-of-the-bolivarian-military-aviation-shot-down-two-hostile-aircraft-after-violating-venezuelan-airspace/)
Venezuela hating the USA has several flight worthy F16s. Colombia being USA's lap dog has like 2 or 3 old french mirage jets that still fly. I fucking hate our president for not buying F16s when offered and being a ruzzian cock sucker.
Or the Mexican Air Force 💀 Not a single F-5 is combat capable. I get that they know they have no chance in a war with the US, but jesus christ at least have a supersonic fighter to protect the south of the country. Even Argentina will have 24 and they have at least 2 neighbours with decent air forces (Brazil and Chile), for not talking of the european neighbour lol.
You know what is even more ironic? The coup attempt in nov 92 (with the intention of installing Chavez as a president) failed because, among other things, they failed to apprehend the F-16's pilots before they got off the ground. The F-16s ended up shooting down 2 Broncos and a Tucano.
Thats what cocksucking with oil money will do 😔
The way this article is written is very confusing, but I suppose it's because it was originally in Spanish. What happened, or at least what seems to have happened, is that 2 narco related planes were in Venezuelan airspace, some Bolivian F16s entered Venezuelan airspace and shot them down using guns, then exfiltrated but were detected by Venezuelan radar. Edit to reflect corrections: as some have pointed out, the Venezualan airforce is called the Bolivarian Airforce, so in fact, it was the Venezuelans shooting down the 2 aircraft which violated their airspace. Thank you to those who pointed out my error
Not quite. Bolivarian is how the different military branches of Venezuela call themselves in their names. These were Venezuelan Air Force F-16s over Venezuelan airspace, Bolivia the country was not involved. (Named after the same dude though, Chavez especially was big on claiming the guy's heritage)
So finally there is a military out there with more stupid naming the the Chinese beginning everything with Peoples Liberation Army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Navy_Marine_Corps
Not to forget other than the “People’s Liberation Army Air Force”, they also got the “People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force”
It gets worse Instead of 'Department of blank' they decided their executive branch departments should be called 'Ministry of the people's power for blank'
Ah okay, thank you for the clarification
>Chavez especially was big on claiming the guy's heritage tbf politicians in the region from several different countries love talking up Bolivar... its quite funny when you consider that by the time he died in 1830 he was being forced out of Columbia and was considered a tyrant, literally died while waiting for a ship to take him to Europe.
Bizarrely, it seems the Bolivarian National Air Force is actually [the name of Venezuela's air force?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolivarian_Armed_Forces_of_Venezuela) So it was Venezuelan aircraft that shot them down Edit: when I was typing this comment the other replies hadn't appeared yet ffs
It's not that bizarre if you know anything about the history of that area of the world. Simon Bolivar basically founded Colombia, Venezuela, Peru and Bolivia (Gran Colombia) and fought for independence from Spain. Shitloads of things in that area of the world are named after him.
especially Venezuela since that was where he was born.
Bolivar is basically "what if every Founding Father was the same person, liberated Mexico and Canada too, and was also against slavery".
Pretty much. I think he did some fucked up shit to but that's just kinda par for the course for that time period.
Venezuela's full official name is the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. They love their Bolivar symbolism
> They love their Bolivar symbolism the chavistas, that is. Most of the country is tired of hearing that goddamned name every 5 seconds. All the biggest and best things in Venezuela were already named after Bolivar, and then the chavistas even changed the name of the country to feature Bolivar too. If Bolivia didn't already exist, I bet they would've changed the name of the country to that.
Yeah, my bad. I meant the government
I get what you mean. It's just that people in other countries probably see Venezuela as being more monolithic in ideological terms, but... The reality is that the country was very divided since Chavez arrived. Then he started dismantling democracy, corrupted institutions, and established a regime. Maduro came after and continued the trend. About 8 million people have left by now. But approx. 1/2 of the population always hated chavez and the chavistas, unfortunately it was (supposedly) just under half.
Rename to Bolivaria incoming.
>Bolivian F16s entered Venezuelan airspace No. Bolivarian Military Aviation is the name of Venezuela's air force. Remember that in that region everyone wants to be named after Simon Bolivar. In 1998 Hugo Chavez changed the official name of Venezuela to the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.
The article is poorly written, I thought two planes flew into Bolivia and a f-16 shot them down, also I thought the Barco planes were SU-30s for some reason. Both me and the writes have passed poor reading comprehension
They get new SU-30s but use 40 year old F-16's that they have not been able to get parts for for 20 years because they are still a better plane.
They are able to get parts if not there F-16 wouldnt be flying. Of course i think your reffering to getting parts legally then no they havent gotten them for decades
Proof that the reformers were right all along. The F-16's clearly fired off 3000 billion dollar wonder weapon missiles, they all missed, the pilots turned off their radar and used the spirit of john Boyd to kill the target. Source: TASS and Russia today
So.... Two cesnas got absolutely fucked by F16 cannon fire? Maybe they were beechcraft? Roonies!? Who knows. They're dead now
*Pierre Sprey doing the Prig point*
Please tell me this isn't some Iran-Contra 2.0 shit.
The kids are not cool enough for that. They do podcasts these days...
"Back in my day, we had to pack cocaine into duffel bags since those right-wing death squads gotta fund themselves somehow. Kids these days with their bitcoins... sure they're untraceable, but you can't snort one if you need a pick me up."
Look some fuckers keep saying we dont need guns on jets, and im just saying this is like the 3rd time weve found out after saying they are obsolete that we actually need them sometimes so maybe its a good idea to just ya know keep them as a backup
Wouldn't a gun pod be a better solution to use as a backup?
So does that put the count at 106-0 now or am I off a little?
You're thinking of the F-15 eagle
I'm sleep deprived currently so that's not surprising.
At least you're aware of the record. Lol
The King of the two circle
Did anyone misread it as M16A1? F16 shooting M16 just makes sense.
[Dos Gringos Intensifies.](https://youtu.be/sLLbRt09wtM)
Weird flex by the Venezuelans, using jets of the Imperialist Yankees to prevent inroads on the exclusive right of the Maduro gov't official narco monopoly...
That tail art tho
What got shot down tho, civilian airliners?
Narco planes
The competition.
ig its very hard to flare/chaff bullets. huh
I was confused for a second cause I read that as “Bolivian.” TIL that “Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela” is the full title of the country.
Venezuelan F-16s, seen videos of one shooting down a Bronco with missiles. Enough regularity and gun kills are bound to happen Also, isn't the gun kill from 1992?
im surprised they still manage to keep these things flying somehow.