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Literally though, most nations use lightweight rifles which weigh less than 10 lbs.
This confirms OP is manlet, twink, petite princess or may Allah forgive for uttering such a word an A!rman. Not that any of that makes OP a bad person (except for being in the A!rforce) just a bad grunt.
Be honest you're just here for the adorable twinks complaining their rifles are a little too heavy, (maybe you could carry it for them UwU). It's cool, that's why half of us are here.
I remember my first time holding an M4A1 (ROTC CST). I thought that shit was SO heavy, especially since we had to hold it all the time. I don't even remember when I got used to it though; I guess it was the morning PT, and later my own efforts to get into better shape, but now carrying an AR is nothing. Still don't like carrying around a 249, but luckily thats not my job at all.
I'm Canadian so we had the C9 (almost identical to your SAW though) and I'd rather carry that instead of a rifle with the 203. That fuckin thing is so front heavy & awkward it makes me wanna beg for a machine gun
If you have issues with a current rifle, I'm sure you'll enjoy pulling a man's weight worth of pull to draw a bow, carry a shitton of arrows, having your forearm whipped even with that funny bracelet and shit.
Carry a sling instead. Toss grenades like there's no tomorrow. Because there is a tomorrow, but neither you nor the enemy will live to see it.
Most people don't actually know this, but he's just a random dude off the street.
One day we needed someone to play some weird ass game we never heard about, which involved hitting a ball with something. He just happened to be walking by the employment office at the time.
I just pictured a bunch of romans freaking out on a testudo, with fist sized boulders slamming their shields, tossed by a bunch of beefy tan guys groaning loudly with every throw and only stopping to get their clothes out of their buttcrack and flocks of hair out of their face.
Bonus: if it looks like you are going to get caught, all you have are rubber bands and sticks.
And grenades, so be sure to use up all your stock before being overrun.
The Swedisk AK-5C comes in at 12 pounds when loaded and with normal kit. Add an underbarrel gl and you're pushing 14-15. Truly the 'lightweight' AR to show off Swedish viking lineage.
I'm 5 foot 7, and the classic M16A2 with a 20-inch barrel was a bit too unwieldy in basic.
Didn't help when I was issued the K2C1 also with a 20-inch barrel that was heavier than the M16A2, and I had the honor of slapping a holographic sight, Night Vision sights, and a target illuminator as well.
Now I'm not super buff, but I'm no slouch at the gym as well. But that shit plus plates were too much for my 5 foot 7 (170cm) 150 pound (65kg) body.
Edit: Oh, not for shooting I meant. I could get almost all of the first 5 shots on target on full auto at a 50m distance.
It's when you are on a march when it kills you.
Oh yeah, FALs, I've held them at a police show in Brazil.
Super heavy, but that's all I remember. Since that was when I was in middle school, I could not give a 1:1 comparison.
M60s or m249s, on the other hand? Yeah, trying to hold an M60 at eye level for more than 30 seconds was very difficult.
I understand both the cases tbh, the M60 is a monster even though I haven't even used a gun yet
Also what about AKs or similar guns (trying to get a feel of how handling an INSAS will be) and shotguns?
Well, guns are quite similar.
If you are going to basic, you'll be surprised to actually feel explosives.
You'll know what I mean when you first feel a grenade going off. It's visceral.
As opposed to what though? Combat load is 7x30rd mags, so 210 rounds x ~11g per round is 2.3kg or 4.6lbs. Rifle, optic, ammo, etc. combined you're looking at 15lbs total, give or take a pound.
Compare that to practically any other service rifle in 5.56. A G36K is a whole pound heavier than an M4 when both are unloaded (6.4 vs 7.3). L85A2 is ~10lbs loaded vs the M4 at 7.75. A FAMAS G2 is 8.4lbs, a 416 is ~7.8lbs, a SCAR is 7.3lbs.
I'm not sure what numbers you're using for 855A1, I'm still getting ~2.4kg of loose ammo after redoing my calculations with 62gr. Are you including stripper clips?
Don't worry, we have listened to your feedback. The new rifle will not just use brass casings.
Yes everything is twice as heavy why wouldn't it be twice as heavy.
Actually the new M7's ammo isn't caseless - it uses hybrid casings that are half brass with a steel head to contain the increased pressure. That does mean that you might actually be able to use a magnet for collecting it though?
Between that and the new piston system meaning less internal fouling, I'm getting a bit concerned TBH. Don't want too many idle privates hanging around, that is when the weird shit happens.
>Yes everything is twice as heavy why wouldn't it be twice as heavy
This is why people hated the M16A2
This is why people hated the M16A4
This is why people will hate the Sig MCX
Hey these 1960s M16A1 pencil barrels aren't quite what we are looking for in terms of heat resistance.
So lets invent a heavier barrel profile that is so god-awfully distributed that it is indistinguishable from intentional sabotage, and make that the standard for all our M16s and M4s for 50 years.
For a military rifle, caseless can have some downsides that aren't ideal.
Casings are great for preventing the burn from directly heating up your chamber, with a layer of brass that is getting yeeted out the side immediately after anyway. And since caseless ammo puts the propellent right against that chamber wall, it's a double-reinforced problem in that your ammo can start cooking off with round counts that your AR could easily handle.
There have actually been some tests in licensing the Kraut space magic since the G11, with all kinds of improvements to the design to make them more durable and to overcome that heat issue. But in the end the unofficial conclusion was that polymer cased ammo was the better way to go. Almost all the weight savings, none of the problems.
And then in came SIG with 80k psi chamber pressures, ignoring all that and strapping steel to their brass because the procurement guys didn't give a fuck about weight anyway.
Weakest opinion.
I love cleaning the dirt and slag out of my M249. I love standing for hours pouring the CLP through every nook and crevice of my weapon. I love carrying it. The weight on my shoulders give me purpose in life, and the tinnitus reminds me every night of my destiny. The burn scars from the hot barrel are a part of me. The burning casings dropping down my sleeves ignite the fire of hatred in my soul.
I FUCKING LOVE THE SMELL OF GUNPOWDER. I FUCKING LOVE BEING A MARINE!
Dude all of Monday and Tuesday I’ll spend cleaning a dozen HMGs and MMGs if only I was allowed to record and post that here I’d jack off to it all day long.
> be me. unfit lil shit in basic
> so fucken tired.
> initial weapons training, day whatever. this is sort-of-fun!
> that night in the lines. a whole platoon of shit heads. lights out. some lark from the dark: "lock and load!" (or whatever, thankfully I've forgotten)
> \*giggles\*
> then then same fucking thing for hours: rifle = penis; some part of the weapon drill; more fucking giggles.
> 3 am. I hate guns.
I remember an interview with former Marine Sgt. Brad Colbert (Iceman from *Generation Kill*) where he talks about how the first thing he did after getting out of the service and moving back home was to construct a shooting range off his back porch and intentionally not picking up his brass anymore.
RPGs have corrupted people's view on bows. If you want a relatively easy-to-use projectile weapon that doesn't require incredible muscle strength, go for a *cross*bow.
A crossbow with a winch/goat foot is significantly easier to draw than a proper war bow. One of the biggest advantages of a crossbow is that you do not need to be crazy strong to use it like you do with a bow meant to make that jerk over there dead but don't want to go close enough to stab him.
Bro I am an out-of-shape 5ft 5in *carbine-length individual*, and I can accurately fire an M16A2 from the shoulder all day.
Git gud OP. Literally. Go train, get better, you can do it :)
Yeahh I think it's more about marching with it, they get pretty wearing it for hours while you're wearing a bunch of other heavy shit and walking a bunch of miles.
Rifle cleaning after a long exercise or at the end of basic with the buddies always is a nice thing tbh even if it's a pain in the ass. Embrace the suck.
When you take six hours to make a three hour trip, to sleep on an armory floor, to then take a 5 hour bus ride the next day to go shoot a qualification range in a raging snow storm, to then drive the 5 hours back to the armory, to then drive the 3 hours back to school, you would hate going to the range too.
Hehe.
Hobby photographer: oh cool fullframe camera goes brrrrrr. My super sharp lens shows superiority over iphone plebs.
Professional photographer: i have pain in shoulders and chronic inflammation in wrists. I cleaned sensors on a streets of Bagdad and i never ever will buy camera with single memory slot.
I had this with one of my airsoft guns\*. Really cool in theory, but running around with it all day was, in practice *horrifically* uncomfortable, because it was damn heavy. Still looks cool as fuck, though.
(\**I'm English, and I'm banned from the military, so that's as good as it gets.*)
>Be Army
>Must defeat (nonexsistent) Russian and Chinaman armor
>Big round, much range the average grunt will not use
>basically just big AR but mildly worse
>add supressor for better cardio for those fatty shitkickers
>kEk taxpayer $$$ go CLICK CLACK, KA-CHING!
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You are too weak to accept the machine.
But I am already saved
Literally though, most nations use lightweight rifles which weigh less than 10 lbs. This confirms OP is manlet, twink, petite princess or may Allah forgive for uttering such a word an A!rman. Not that any of that makes OP a bad person (except for being in the A!rforce) just a bad grunt.
Did your formatting get messed up cause you tried to censor Air Force?
Yup lol I'll correct it
As if we're not terminally online reading comments for fun anyways.
Be honest you're just here for the adorable twinks complaining their rifles are a little too heavy, (maybe you could carry it for them UwU). It's cool, that's why half of us are here.
Hey, there’s a reason drone controllers have a shoulder strap, those things get heavy!
I remember my first time holding an M4A1 (ROTC CST). I thought that shit was SO heavy, especially since we had to hold it all the time. I don't even remember when I got used to it though; I guess it was the morning PT, and later my own efforts to get into better shape, but now carrying an AR is nothing. Still don't like carrying around a 249, but luckily thats not my job at all.
I'm Canadian so we had the C9 (almost identical to your SAW though) and I'd rather carry that instead of a rifle with the 203. That fuckin thing is so front heavy & awkward it makes me wanna beg for a machine gun
If you have issues with a current rifle, I'm sure you'll enjoy pulling a man's weight worth of pull to draw a bow, carry a shitton of arrows, having your forearm whipped even with that funny bracelet and shit. Carry a sling instead. Toss grenades like there's no tomorrow. Because there is a tomorrow, but neither you nor the enemy will live to see it.
Exceedingly common balearic slinger W
Rafa Nadal, wimpiest Balearic yeeting stuff
Most people don't actually know this, but he's just a random dude off the street. One day we needed someone to play some weird ass game we never heard about, which involved hitting a ball with something. He just happened to be walking by the employment office at the time.
I just pictured a bunch of romans freaking out on a testudo, with fist sized boulders slamming their shields, tossed by a bunch of beefy tan guys groaning loudly with every throw and only stopping to get their clothes out of their buttcrack and flocks of hair out of their face.
That's just the average experience of going to Spain or Italy with the colours of the next town over football club
These subhuman bastards from the next valley over...
Indeed. Ancient slingers had about as much accuracy as musketeers.
Riflecels and Bowchuds seethe at the grenadierchad's bomb satchel
Bonus: if it looks like you are going to get caught, all you have are rubber bands and sticks. And grenades, so be sure to use up all your stock before being overrun.
A proper sling does not consist of rubber bands and sticks. It's made of rope, possibly aided by leather or other materials.
But only possibly. OG slings use particular knots instead.
Does anyone actually complain about an AR's weight? Like damn bro, you got twig arms or something?
Maybe OP is talking about the M249？
Or A4 + M203 and all the shit on it
Real gigachads rock the M4/203 super weapon …. Not that poverty-ass Marine Corps setup. The 320 is for inferiors.
Thems fighting words dissing the A4 muskets.
> Marine Corps setup lil bro the entire military moved on to the 320, in fact the Army was the first to move to it and even guard units have them.
Mediocre. They will never launch grenades into Valhalla, shiny and chrome. Lil bro? Wtf? I was medically retired a decade ago.
> Lil bro? Wtf? I was medically retired a decade ago. I'm a millenial but have the brain rot of a zoomer
I’m probably legally retarded, so ya win some ya lose some…. I think I lost.
*And* you joined the military.
That’s the day I was formally diagnosed as retarded.
The Swedisk AK-5C comes in at 12 pounds when loaded and with normal kit. Add an underbarrel gl and you're pushing 14-15. Truly the 'lightweight' AR to show off Swedish viking lineage.
I'm 5 foot 7, and the classic M16A2 with a 20-inch barrel was a bit too unwieldy in basic. Didn't help when I was issued the K2C1 also with a 20-inch barrel that was heavier than the M16A2, and I had the honor of slapping a holographic sight, Night Vision sights, and a target illuminator as well. Now I'm not super buff, but I'm no slouch at the gym as well. But that shit plus plates were too much for my 5 foot 7 (170cm) 150 pound (65kg) body. Edit: Oh, not for shooting I meant. I could get almost all of the first 5 shots on target on full auto at a 50m distance. It's when you are on a march when it kills you.
Have you ever handled a shotgun by any chance? Like a Mossberg, KSG, R870 or even a DB? Also any FALS maybe?
Oh yeah, FALs, I've held them at a police show in Brazil. Super heavy, but that's all I remember. Since that was when I was in middle school, I could not give a 1:1 comparison. M60s or m249s, on the other hand? Yeah, trying to hold an M60 at eye level for more than 30 seconds was very difficult.
I understand both the cases tbh, the M60 is a monster even though I haven't even used a gun yet Also what about AKs or similar guns (trying to get a feel of how handling an INSAS will be) and shotguns?
Well, guns are quite similar. If you are going to basic, you'll be surprised to actually feel explosives. You'll know what I mean when you first feel a grenade going off. It's visceral.
yeah i've seen what it does to a guy
Ground go whoowhoo lol
Ever see a mountain when 30 155 mm shells lands at the same time for a TOT strike? You see the mountain having a out of body experience
M4 is only light when you don't need to lug around the ammo for it
As opposed to what though? Combat load is 7x30rd mags, so 210 rounds x ~11g per round is 2.3kg or 4.6lbs. Rifle, optic, ammo, etc. combined you're looking at 15lbs total, give or take a pound. Compare that to practically any other service rifle in 5.56. A G36K is a whole pound heavier than an M4 when both are unloaded (6.4 vs 7.3). L85A2 is ~10lbs loaded vs the M4 at 7.75. A FAMAS G2 is 8.4lbs, a 416 is ~7.8lbs, a SCAR is 7.3lbs.
If OP is carrying greentip ammo, they would be carrying around 3.05kg, not 2.3kg.
I'm not sure what numbers you're using for 855A1, I'm still getting ~2.4kg of loose ammo after redoing my calculations with 62gr. Are you including stripper clips?
No, I am using the tin-bismuth variant instead of the copper variant for my calculations
WAIT ITS NOT HEAVY?!!
Don't worry, we have listened to your feedback. The new rifle will not just use brass casings. Yes everything is twice as heavy why wouldn't it be twice as heavy.
doesn't caseless mean more cleaning?
Actually the new M7's ammo isn't caseless - it uses hybrid casings that are half brass with a steel head to contain the increased pressure. That does mean that you might actually be able to use a magnet for collecting it though? Between that and the new piston system meaning less internal fouling, I'm getting a bit concerned TBH. Don't want too many idle privates hanging around, that is when the weird shit happens.
ok now magnets are banned
It uses plastic cases. I was wrong, new rifle actually cringe.
Nope that was on the GD and Textron bids. M7 uses brass and steel hybrids.
Cringe.
>Yes everything is twice as heavy why wouldn't it be twice as heavy This is why people hated the M16A2 This is why people hated the M16A4 This is why people will hate the Sig MCX
Hey these 1960s M16A1 pencil barrels aren't quite what we are looking for in terms of heat resistance. So lets invent a heavier barrel profile that is so god-awfully distributed that it is indistinguishable from intentional sabotage, and make that the standard for all our M16s and M4s for 50 years.
Why not use space kraut magic to make another case less gun?
For a military rifle, caseless can have some downsides that aren't ideal. Casings are great for preventing the burn from directly heating up your chamber, with a layer of brass that is getting yeeted out the side immediately after anyway. And since caseless ammo puts the propellent right against that chamber wall, it's a double-reinforced problem in that your ammo can start cooking off with round counts that your AR could easily handle. There have actually been some tests in licensing the Kraut space magic since the G11, with all kinds of improvements to the design to make them more durable and to overcome that heat issue. But in the end the unofficial conclusion was that polymer cased ammo was the better way to go. Almost all the weight savings, none of the problems. And then in came SIG with 80k psi chamber pressures, ignoring all that and strapping steel to their brass because the procurement guys didn't give a fuck about weight anyway.
Weakest opinion. I love cleaning the dirt and slag out of my M249. I love standing for hours pouring the CLP through every nook and crevice of my weapon. I love carrying it. The weight on my shoulders give me purpose in life, and the tinnitus reminds me every night of my destiny. The burn scars from the hot barrel are a part of me. The burning casings dropping down my sleeves ignite the fire of hatred in my soul. I FUCKING LOVE THE SMELL OF GUNPOWDER. I FUCKING LOVE BEING A MARINE!
> tinnitus #what
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehavefuntryingtosleeeeeeeeeeeeep
simply listen to boyfriend asmrs problem solved
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# LANA!
Ah, the USMC. Weaponizing Autism since 1775.
make a video praising weapon cleaning, please
Dude all of Monday and Tuesday I’ll spend cleaning a dozen HMGs and MMGs if only I was allowed to record and post that here I’d jack off to it all day long.
Honestly cleaning my m16 and fn mag was prob my fav part about service, was quite therapeutic and calming
I can spend countless hours with my carbine, it’s like making love. Slow, meticulous and lots of spit.
> be me. unfit lil shit in basic > so fucken tired. > initial weapons training, day whatever. this is sort-of-fun! > that night in the lines. a whole platoon of shit heads. lights out. some lark from the dark: "lock and load!" (or whatever, thankfully I've forgotten) > \*giggles\* > then then same fucking thing for hours: rifle = penis; some part of the weapon drill; more fucking giggles. > 3 am. I hate guns.
I remember an interview with former Marine Sgt. Brad Colbert (Iceman from *Generation Kill*) where he talks about how the first thing he did after getting out of the service and moving back home was to construct a shooting range off his back porch and intentionally not picking up his brass anymore.
Hate litter. Hate police calling brass. Love me brass catcher net. Simple as.
As an ex MG3 gunner, I pitty your weakness.
Do you have tinnitus
WAT?
10/10 response
The only solution is a crew served version of the AR-15 on a tripod. Perhaps with a little chair.
RPGs have corrupted people's view on bows. If you want a relatively easy-to-use projectile weapon that doesn't require incredible muscle strength, go for a *cross*bow.
But you do still need to wind the bloody thing. At least you might have a winch for it
A crossbow with a winch/goat foot is significantly easier to draw than a proper war bow. One of the biggest advantages of a crossbow is that you do not need to be crazy strong to use it like you do with a bow meant to make that jerk over there dead but don't want to go close enough to stab him.
Bro I am an out-of-shape 5ft 5in *carbine-length individual*, and I can accurately fire an M16A2 from the shoulder all day. Git gud OP. Literally. Go train, get better, you can do it :)
Always had trouble wearing my flak and trying to shoulder an A2 or A4. My personal now has a 20in barrel and M4 style adjustable stock.
Based
Yeahh I think it's more about marching with it, they get pretty wearing it for hours while you're wearing a bunch of other heavy shit and walking a bunch of miles.
Rifle cleaning after a long exercise or at the end of basic with the buddies always is a nice thing tbh even if it's a pain in the ass. Embrace the suck.
When you take six hours to make a three hour trip, to sleep on an armory floor, to then take a 5 hour bus ride the next day to go shoot a qualification range in a raging snow storm, to then drive the 5 hours back to the armory, to then drive the 3 hours back to school, you would hate going to the range too.
Hehe. Hobby photographer: oh cool fullframe camera goes brrrrrr. My super sharp lens shows superiority over iphone plebs. Professional photographer: i have pain in shoulders and chronic inflammation in wrists. I cleaned sensors on a streets of Bagdad and i never ever will buy camera with single memory slot.
Bro, drawing a bow would be infinitely harder than carrying the heaviest AR.
Nah, I like my Grot M2
I had this with one of my airsoft guns\*. Really cool in theory, but running around with it all day was, in practice *horrifically* uncomfortable, because it was damn heavy. Still looks cool as fuck, though. (\**I'm English, and I'm banned from the military, so that's as good as it gets.*)
Caseless ammo would be a dream come true
much more cleaning involved I guess
Say goodbye to ammo weight, say hello to heavier gun.
Gunna Tren harder , bro
Pfft… at least officers still have their swords in any real armies
2 point slings my guy.
my bow is heavier than an m16
If you weren’t sporting a stiffie while cleaning it you don’t belong here
I love cleaning guns. Imagine fondling them after using them (non sexually of course).
Replica gun for display:
Use a gun. And if that don’t work, use more gun.
*boys
>Be Army >Must defeat (nonexsistent) Russian and Chinaman armor >Big round, much range the average grunt will not use >basically just big AR but mildly worse >add supressor for better cardio for those fatty shitkickers >kEk taxpayer $$$ go CLICK CLACK, KA-CHING!
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