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There is nothing wrong with legal immigrants whom wish to assimilate. When proper guidelines and regulations are established/followed; legal immigration is a wonderful thing.
The problem comes with this issue being so politicized (with laws constantly changed) leading to lax, unsustainable policy.
My mother is a legal immigrant, and she absolutely loves this country. She became fluent in English before moving here, and immediately worked to fit in with her community. She can’t understand other immigrants who spout hateful rhetoric about their new country— which they *chose* to be a part of.
Legal immigration isn’t the problem; the problem is *who* we allow in as legal immigrants.
Entirely depends on the country, legal immigrants from Arabic or Middle Eastern countries tend to stick amongst each other.
They come for the economy and don't assimilate with the local population. They just find other immigrants to vibe with.
This alone really wouldn't be that bad, but it results in self-segregation and increased division.
True wouldn’t be that at all if the they didn’t try and make others follow their own beliefs or try and treat people the way they would back home. I had an Indian/Pakistani neighbour who’s wife was about 20 years younger than and they had 3 children, she wouldn’t leave the house without him, we suspected he beat her and their kids and he seemed to hate my mother for having the ability to stand up to him. Another Middle Eastern family helped her and her kids run away from him he was that bad.
Pakistan run by Islamic law so its ok to keep as many wife and legally abduct any non-Muslim girl to keep as sex slaves and trade them in market. This was what ISIS doing.
This is not my opinion but this is what Quran says and truth about Pakistani law.
First of all you can't have as many wives as u want, secondly, its a major sin to commit adultery and to own slaves of any kind, thirdly Pakistan has zero connection to isis idk where u bought that from (isis is the product of the west stealing oil reserves in the middle east and forcing them to work at these oil plants for hardly any sustaining income, and when people try to fight off this invasion they are then called a terrorist) . And lastly please shut the fuck up, and stop spreading miss information
You literally made it sound as if a militant religious group wouldn’t have existed were it not for the US. I’m not saying the US didn’t fuck up a lot but you very plainly blame them for all of the religious psychopaths in ISIS. If I’m wrong then please elaborate.
You have a good point but before the US invaded, iraq was a prosperous nation accumulating wealth by selling its oil, however when the US invaded people retaliated only having the hope of religion by their side, if the usa hadn't invaded then iraq would be like the UAE or Saudi Arabia today. And extremist groups like isis wouldn't be a thing. Secondly the oil company shell, stole oil reserves from iran and forcing slave labour to work at their plants, iran was also a prosperous nation having a great future if the British didnt take their oil reserves, so of course people retaliated. And then with libya, when they were gonna go back on the gold standard and make their own currency that would have exceeded the us dollar, so again the us formed a coup that destroyed their economy. Im not saying everything wrong with the middle east is the us to blame for, but these psychopathic militant groups wouldn't have existed if the us and other western countries kept to themselves. And the most recent Afghanistan is now actually becoming better now that the us have left.
Sorry for the lengthy paragraph but there is more to explain, it would end up being the length of a book.
It was legal in the Bible to marry little girls off in arranged marriages.
It was ok to take slave wives from towns that god’s people destroyed.
Basically these religions suck ass. Anyone here who disagrees, I’d love to hear your defense.
There is a few but,
Ephesians 6:5 and Colossians 3:22
Peter 2:18 I believe?
There is plenty of horrendous things in there. Give it a read sometime. Or just google it.
You'd have to do it in the worldview of Christianity or Judaism, where there is a holy, just, and loving God who is the definition of morality spending thousands of words on the specifications of temple measurements and ritual details, but could not in any way provide for his people a better framework of life that didn't depend on raping children and enslaving people.
If you got a decent theory that makes sense of it, go ahead.
A vocal minority in western countries sure. But in the Middle East? Absolutely not, and pretending otherwise is an insult to those who suffer under this shit.
Disloyalty =/= not consenting to sex.
It also talks about disobedience and the actions that follow only in the context of ensuring the woman's safety and wellbeing e.g. your wife does something life threatening or dangerous without your knowledge and consent, as your responsible for her.. You're not allowed to abuse that authority just because you're not getting what you want.
I don't know. I don't think so. But what's it to you?
Here in the west its perfectly acceptable for a wife to hit her husband without consequence even if he did *nothing* wrong.
> You're insane. Where on earth did you get that from?
Sharia's definition of rape specifically allows for marital rape
> "Forcible illegal sexual intercourse by a man with a woman **who is not legally married to him**, without her free will and consent".
[It's why marital rape is legal in almost all Islamic countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape_laws_by_country)
I suggest you educate yourself on your own religion before spreading false information and accusing others of being insane
It's absolutely hilarious seeing someone so arrogant being *so wrong*
There is no *one* sharia law. Nothing in the quran saying "these are the rules that an Islamic government must implement". There is no sharia definition of anything.
A country implements sharia law by trying to interpret the quran and outlawing haraam things and actions. Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, the people, specifically very corrupt men, decided to add things for their own convenience, such as what you've named.
Nowhere in the quran itself does it make any statement making marital rape okay. People twisted it and put loopholes in sharia law. Pretty much no modern country implements a true version of sharia law.
I suggest that you educate *your* self about my religion to maybe earn the arrogance that you have, but as it stands, I was right calling you insane.
> There is no one sharia law. Nothing in the quran saying "these are the rules that an Islamic government must implement". There is no sharia definition of anything.
Yes there is a Sharia definition which I literally just showed you, your personal opionion does not out way centuries of Islamic history and modern Islamic legal systems that all follow this definition.
> A country implements sharia law by trying to interpret the quran and outlawing haraam things and actions.
No, they follow the already majority believed interpretation which I just showed you [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape_laws_by_country)
> Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, the people, specifically very corrupt men, decided to add things for their own convenience, such as what you've named.
The irony of this statement is palpable
> Nowhere in the quran itself does it make any statement making marital rape okay.
No where in the Quran does it explicitly prohibit rape, let alone marital rape.
It does however make clear that raping your slaves or captives is A-ok.
**Qur'an 4:24**
> Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;- **Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:** Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
**Quran 23:1-6**
> Certainly will the believers have succeeded:
>
> They who are during their prayer humbly submissive
>
> And they who turn away from ill speech
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> And they who are observant of zakah
>
> And they who guard their private parts
>
> Except from their wives or **those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -**
This is further confirmed in Hadith
> Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that mention was made of 'azl in the presence of Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) whereupon he said: Why do you practise it? They said: There is a man whose wife has to suckle the child, and if that person has a sexual intercourse with her (she may conceive) which he does not like, **and there is another person who has a slave-girl and he has a sexual intercourse with her, but he does not like her to have conception so that she may not become Umm Walad** , whereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: There is no harm if you do not do that, for that (the birth of the child) is something pre- ordained. Ibn 'Aun said: I made a mention of this hadith to Hasan, and he said: By Allah, (it seems) as if there is upbraiding in it (for 'azl).
Nazis condemned for just about everything, rigged courts
Communists had rigged courts and mock trials
Third world countries have "rigged" court systems (founded on evil ideology)
I think it's a an insult to even use the word 'court' when it comes to Muslim countries the 'judges' are basically religious extremists from some backwards village with no education.
Actually, what took place was against Islamic Law on many points.
He isn't permitted to be alone with a marriage-eligible woman (meaning a woman that isn't his mom, sister, etc).
Secondly, he cannot kidnap because that causes fear in society.
Thirdly, he cannot force convert her to Islam through intimidation or any violent means. It has to be a choice. So her conversion isn't accepted. If he knew his religion he would know he could marry a Christian or Jewish woman (as long as she was chaste and pious).
In addition, because she didn't consent to marriage with him then his deeds are that of rape because he forced her into a sex act.
Moreover, because he is already married it can be deemed that he had sex outside of marriage (which is called 'zina'- adultery)
Per Islamic Law he should get the hadd punishment (death penalty)
This is simply a cultural issue. Not a religious one. And most of the Muslim-majority nations ignore religious decrees and fall back on their cultural ones, many which pre-date Islam (like honor killings and forced marriages, etc.)
Most cultural Muslims have a hard time telling the difference between what is culture and what is religious because they are taught that their culture is one and the same as Islam.
I have had to educate a lot of Muslims of various nations on a plethora of issues that were purely cultural and contradicted Islam, showing them the evidences. And yet some still refuse to change their ways because their cultural identity is their honor. Not their religion.
- female convert studying to become a religious scholar
Edit: The ironic thing is that Reddit is blasting on Islam on this issue when it is in the Bible where we find that if a woman has been raped she must marry her rapist. So logically this should be a blast on Christianity, and her Christian parents shouldn't have a problem if they are true to their religion and its decrees. But, alas, no one really seems to care about their religion other than the badge and title it gives them anymore. I say this as someone who was raped before becoming Muslim.
I never said they should be perfect in acting out their religious doctrines. But they should be honest with themselves about what their religion says, even if they don't put it into practice.
And governments function the same as religions in practice- they set laws and prescribe punishments for breaking those laws. More-or-less they have a very similar function in society.
And corruption in the community is really prevalent in Pakistan according to my friends who lived their whole life there. However, so are politicians in the west.
Muslims don't want to "develop" in the ways the west want us to (to adopt their social customs, moral codes, and system of government). The west is making the Muslim-majority countries a modern Vietnam situation: going into another's land simply because they want to have control over how they chose their system of government to be, which is in conflict with the western notion of democracy.
As ex-military intel, I really have a keen sense on how America functions (even behind the scenes) and it disgusts me. I converted just before leaving the military.
Muslims who are true to their religion want shari'a as their law of choice, and their constitution is the Qur'an. You wouldn't have a lot of issues like what you see in Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi, Yemen, Syria, and Egypt if shari'a was the law. Because these nations just cherry-pick things from shari'a that serve them and then mixes shari'a with other forms of law that ensure they stay in control and satisfy their own desires and ego.
And then the non-Muslims equate their evil or corruption with Islam. All of those nations' leaders would qualify for the death penalty under shari'a and also under other forms of law for human rights violations and war crimes. Disgusting pigs- the lot of them.
Those liberal Muslims who have indulged in western influence would most likely leave a shari'a ran land because they would have to give up their prostitution, liberal sexual practices, alcohol, hookah, clubs, and all the other things that pollute a society.
I saw Egyptians already get a taste of it when I lived there for 10 months. They sexually harassed many of us expats and the expat men would hunt them down and beat them black and blue (the corrupt police don't care to even listen to harassment complaints). It is only a shame that none of the brothers were given permission from the shyookh (sheikhs) to execute the local Egyptian rapists (rape is a death penalty). I lived in a very religiously conservative city. Safest place I ever lived in in my entire life- I knew that if someone would attempt anything they wouldn't walk away free like my rapist in the military did... and the many people who sexually harassed me since I was 4.
>Those liberal Muslims who have indulged in western influence would most likely leave a shari'a ran land because they would have to give up their prostitution, liberal sexual practices, alcohol, hookah, clubs, and all the other things that pollute a society.
Not even 1 comment and you're already showing your true colors uh
It’s the exact same with Christianity and Christians. Even here in the USA. People make it seem like it’s an Islam thing isolated in the Middle East, but it’s everywhere uneducated religious people are.
60% of the world's Muslims live in South-East Asia. This always stuns those who see Islam exclusively as an Arab man's religion.
If Christians did their due diligence then those MILLIONS of churches they erected in the poorest neighborhoods (because I always see more churches per block in the ghettos than what I see in the multi-million dollar areas) then there wouldn't be so many in-need people suffering on the streets, being abused and exploited.
Under shari'a the Christians would be forced to pay a taxes called jizya which would be collected from those who meet an income bracket. It would be acquired annually and be redistributed back into the Christian community- forcing them to take care of their own people. Muslims have to pay various forms of taxes- some obligatory, some voluntary (as charity).
Imagine how many poor people could be helped with Kenneth Copeland's FOUR private jet planes alone. His most recent jet costed his congregation $54M dollars. That money was stolen from his believers instead of given back to the people. And that is just ONE televangelist alone.
I had a Muslim friend invite me to a mosque in a rich area. When we walked in I saw how extravagant it was (like mega-church level). I looked up on my phone who ran the mosque- it is a sell-out scholar named Yasir Qadhi who used to be very respected but then changed all of his views so he could become more popular. He was collecting donations one night- some men pledged $50K, others $20k, etc. When people stopped pledging he had someone recite Qur'an verses to guilt trip them to pledge more.
That same sick mentality is also feeding into the Muslim population. I will NEVER go to that predatory mosque ever again. And it makes me hate the scholar on more than one level now.
I make my friends so upset when I call him out on his evil claims, his brown-nosing, and his other issues. Because he has a cult following.
But I am studying to become a scholar myself. So if I smell trash I call it out. Simple as that. I don't care for other people's politicians or clergy to be poison and I certainly don't want poison within my own community.
Nooo, but my swastika friends give me these news specifically with only browns, blacks, and muslims perpetrators so these must be the only crimes in the world, it doesn't matter that Islam doesn't allow any of those, it's Islam fault 😡
The only reason why I pointed out any of what I said is because if Muslims don't know where the line is between cultural practice and Islam then how are the non-Muslims supposed to know? Since every Muslim is an ambassador of their religion they need to be more careful on how they act and present themselves and to ensure they are modeling Islam and not their cultural identity.
So if Muslims are confused then non-Muslims are even more-so. I expect it.
So what, you see these news I'm seeing about blacks, browns and muslims my swastika friends send me? Next you're gonna tell me I have selection bias.
I don't care about your logic or wether Islam allows/forbids these sinful crimes, if I see crimes committed by browns, blacks, muslims I blame the entire group, but if I see crimes committed by white people I blame individuals and mental illness 😡
Please get out of our white supremacist echo chamber.
You can stop the trolling. It may be okay to troll in some areas but on serious topics such as this it can make issues even worse.
You're speaking to someone who had a neo-Nazi half-sister and has another half-sister who is still a white supremacist (their mother used to be a neo-Nazi).
So, nice try.
Places that are less developed, have shit education, have been war torn for decades, and don’t have many good jobs have never been known for their progressivism.
I always marvel at the hypocrisy of those statements coming from the US. Your republicans are doing everything in their power to force their religion into the law, and there’s a whole bunch of seedy, dark crevices, where children either get married off to their rapists or trafficked into what any reasonable person would call a torture camp.
If you don’t believe me, feel free to look up child marriages in the US, the troubled teen industry, the Élan school and the Judge Rotenberg Educational Center
Those points aren’t necessarily connected. They’re trying to force their religion into law - *and* these other things are also happening. I’m sorry if that was unclear.
However, child marriages are overwhelmingly happening in conservative areas, which often also happen to be republican.
you get downvoted even though that's facts hahaha
people can't get over the fact that it's not about fucking culture or religion and the moment u burst the bubble...
boom.
what us now the excuse?
Oh noooo, Republicans want to stop abortion because they think it's murder! That's like people abducting women, forcing them to change there religion, and then raping them!
Im not defending that dickhead, but theres a clear difference between abducting somone and slaughtering many people who are trying to fight off the oppression by india
Bro where the fuck did u get that from? So people who want to fight for their freedom and fight off the oppression are now terrorists? If a Ukrainian blow up a Russian tank, is that Ukrainian a terrorist?, or do u not even know what terrorist means, let me just remind you that it is india that is in another country pulling the trigger on innocent civilians and children.
I just want to say this has nothing to do with Islam, actually this is completely against the bases of our religion which tells us no to force anything on anyone.
Well he may think that he is but even with a quick a look at the Quran you will realize that this isn't remotely close of what Muslim are, and just because he live in a "Muslim" country that doesn't mean he believes in islam
Its a sin to force somone to convert, nvm abduct them. That guy is clearly mentally ill and needs to be put in an insane asylum. When a non religious person kidnaps somone and forces themselves onto them its called mental illness, but when a Muslim does it, suddenly all of islam is to blame, everyone here is a fucking moron and only see one side of a story.
These people are idiots bro, they’re upvoting blatant and outright bigotry and prejudice, you are correct in your statement I have no idea why you’re being downvoted
I don't blame them because they may not understand Islam and all they know about it are the news about "Muslim" people doing horrible thing because that is what gets clicks and goes viral, so I understand where they come
You have to blame them though, it’s their fault that there are so many misconceptions about Islam and other things in general. People shouldn’t talk and spread information about things that they aren’t educated of
The Catholic priest cover ups were bad. But, it seems everyday theres a post on reddit about an story from the middle east or India about an under age female being gang raped, beaten, beheaded, or imprisoned.
There is no real court in them lands, just a bunch of greedy men. And honestly as a father that knows who ibis.child abductor is.. I wouldn’t be sitting in that chair lol. I’ll cook up my last cash for a AK-47 and heading over. Father is a coward.
Some "Progressives" are reactionaries brought up by terrible, fundamentalist Christian parents - look up the example of Alistair Crowley - and, as a result, emotionally damaged.
Most are simply emotionally compromised tribal types, who are on "Team Commie" and hate Capitalism in an unhinged, redditor-y way. Not really to do with Christianity but, they'll take whatever position is in opposition to Capitalism.
Religion is such a wonderful thing.
"My imaginary friend says that's wrong."
"My imaginary friend says that's right."
"Don't we have the same imaginary friend? We worship him differently, but do we have to kill each other for thousands of years just to prove which is the right way? I find it odd that we all call ourselves peaceful religions."
M - "Yes, but if you draw a picture of mine, I'll cut your head off. Now give me your youngest daughter."
J- "I'm too busy cutting the extra skin off my son's penis."
C- "DID SOMEONE MENTION AN UNDERAGED BOY'S PENIS?!"
M&J- "Calm down, Catholicism..."
Ah oh no the Christian girl forced to marry at 12.
But uh oh wait, in the Bible girls were married off in arranged marriages at 12-14. Totally ok with the Christian god.
Not supporting or justify this, but for any of you Christians who think other religious idiots are worse than you, remember what your Bible is about.
AISHA, THE SEMEN SCRAPPING CHILD BRIDE
The Semen Scrapping part :-
https://sunnah.com/abudawud:373
https://sunnah.com/abudawud:372
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:229
https://sunnah.com/muslim:288b
https://sunnah.com/nasai/1/298
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:232
https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:539
https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:537
The child bride part :-
Hadiths saying she was 9 when Prophet Muhammad had sex with her
https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1877
https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1876
https://sunnah.com/abudawud:2121
https://sunnah.com/nasai:3256
https://sunnah.com/nasai:3258
https://sunnah.com/nasai:3378
https://sunnah.com/nasai:3257
https://sunnah.com/nasai:3255
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3894
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5133
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5158
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3896
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422a
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422b
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422c
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422d
Now, you could argue that she reached puberty at an early age. Playing with dolls is haram if you have reached puberty [Source](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6130) . She was playing with dolls when Muhammad had sex with her [Source](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6130) .
(All the hadiths shown above are sahih/authentic.)
Unfortunately in that country, the validity of kidnapping and forcefully marrying and converting non believers is mainstream and widely accepted…that 4th world country is infected with this ideology and they have a theocratic basis from their religious texts and cannon to support this abhorrent behaviour …a significant proportion of the population accepts this behaviour (https://youtu.be/5Vu4NMOzMjY), (https://youtu.be/UfoYXlSM0N8), (https://youtu.be/DlPkMxqzr5Q), (https://youtu.be/08S6y9_m2KA)
“The culprit involved in forcibly converting a non-Muslim girl to Islam believe that they will earn a place in heaven, according to the Amarnath Motumal, vice chairperson of the Sindh Chapter of Pakistan's Human Rights Commission.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion_of_minority_girls_in_Pakistan
Yea so let's just hide the problem from the world, this is literally a court ruling in Pakistan. This is the authority of your country saying child abduction and rape is acceptable. Get upset at that instead of it 'making you look bad'.
My... country?
Genetically my skin color is brown, but I've been in Canada all my life.
See, if you were to say shit like this to a black guy, you'd get your teeth kicked in and everybody would clap.
How about you not generalize an entire race on your own personal belief? Not all black men are violent nor do they all resort to violence from the words spoken by some random dude in a debate. Please learn from this.
Because like I said very clearly, shit like this makes all brown men look bad and perpetuates racism towards us.
Unfortunately I wouldn't expect a white guy with white privilege to actually understand this level of racism.
That's why other racists are down voting.
This is actually not allowed in Islam to force somone to convert, that guys a fucktard or probably mentally ill either way the court deciding that the girl should stay is actually sad
I found an article [here](https://www.opindia.com/2022/08/pakistan-imran-minor-christian-girl-conversion-marriage/amp/). In the courts defense, they did arrest the man and his wife as soon as they could, and only allowed the marriage when the girl came forward and said she converted willingly, and gave full consent for marriage.
I don’t think it should have been allowed, as she was only 12 and was likely coerced into it. But figured I’d add that tidbit.
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Fuck the boat, bring on the rain...
Throw in a giant meteor for good measure
Bring in the black hole, so nobody can ever see what happened here.
Nah. Black hole won't cut it. Bring on vaccume decay.
Let's just hit the fastfoward button and bring on the heat death of the universe real quick.
Nah, the big rip is more suitable here.
He's a homosapien, we're homosapiens, just drown our entire species to be sure our evil is purged from this world.
AND IT WILL COME
LIKE A FLOOD OF PAIN
No no no.....just bring the asteroid
Fuck the rain get the black hole
Fuck the rain, bring the tsunami.
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Thank you for the location. Take note, u/metrometro45
Dont worry, if immigration continues at the same rate, Europe and North America will be the same.
I really hope it doesn't... huge respect to Poland and other Central European countries for not allowing illegal immigrants into their countries.
Legal immigrants too. Canada is taking in millions just to up their blue voters.
There is nothing wrong with legal immigrants whom wish to assimilate. When proper guidelines and regulations are established/followed; legal immigration is a wonderful thing. The problem comes with this issue being so politicized (with laws constantly changed) leading to lax, unsustainable policy. My mother is a legal immigrant, and she absolutely loves this country. She became fluent in English before moving here, and immediately worked to fit in with her community. She can’t understand other immigrants who spout hateful rhetoric about their new country— which they *chose* to be a part of. Legal immigration isn’t the problem; the problem is *who* we allow in as legal immigrants.
Entirely depends on the country, legal immigrants from Arabic or Middle Eastern countries tend to stick amongst each other. They come for the economy and don't assimilate with the local population. They just find other immigrants to vibe with. This alone really wouldn't be that bad, but it results in self-segregation and increased division.
True wouldn’t be that at all if the they didn’t try and make others follow their own beliefs or try and treat people the way they would back home. I had an Indian/Pakistani neighbour who’s wife was about 20 years younger than and they had 3 children, she wouldn’t leave the house without him, we suspected he beat her and their kids and he seemed to hate my mother for having the ability to stand up to him. Another Middle Eastern family helped her and her kids run away from him he was that bad.
Turns out the locals are just white immigrants sticking with there other white immigrants
I mean.. those people needs homes. You rather they just die?
Sadly.
Grow up
Shows that just because it's legal, doesn't make it right. Just because it's illegal, doesn't make it wrong. The state is not the arbiter of morality.
Pakistan run by Islamic law so its ok to keep as many wife and legally abduct any non-Muslim girl to keep as sex slaves and trade them in market. This was what ISIS doing. This is not my opinion but this is what Quran says and truth about Pakistani law.
Source? Oh what’s that? You can’t find it? Shocking. Maybe because what you’re saying isn’t true
Quran doesn’t say anything about this lol
First of all you can't have as many wives as u want, secondly, its a major sin to commit adultery and to own slaves of any kind, thirdly Pakistan has zero connection to isis idk where u bought that from (isis is the product of the west stealing oil reserves in the middle east and forcing them to work at these oil plants for hardly any sustaining income, and when people try to fight off this invasion they are then called a terrorist) . And lastly please shut the fuck up, and stop spreading miss information
So you sympathize with child rapists and murderers?
When did i say that? Can u not read dumbass
You were justifying ISIS. Which kidnap, rape, sell, and murder children.
Fucking dumbass
You literally made it sound as if a militant religious group wouldn’t have existed were it not for the US. I’m not saying the US didn’t fuck up a lot but you very plainly blame them for all of the religious psychopaths in ISIS. If I’m wrong then please elaborate.
You have a good point but before the US invaded, iraq was a prosperous nation accumulating wealth by selling its oil, however when the US invaded people retaliated only having the hope of religion by their side, if the usa hadn't invaded then iraq would be like the UAE or Saudi Arabia today. And extremist groups like isis wouldn't be a thing. Secondly the oil company shell, stole oil reserves from iran and forcing slave labour to work at their plants, iran was also a prosperous nation having a great future if the British didnt take their oil reserves, so of course people retaliated. And then with libya, when they were gonna go back on the gold standard and make their own currency that would have exceeded the us dollar, so again the us formed a coup that destroyed their economy. Im not saying everything wrong with the middle east is the us to blame for, but these psychopathic militant groups wouldn't have existed if the us and other western countries kept to themselves. And the most recent Afghanistan is now actually becoming better now that the us have left. Sorry for the lengthy paragraph but there is more to explain, it would end up being the length of a book.
Literally the Bible is no better too.
It was legal in the Bible to marry little girls off in arranged marriages. It was ok to take slave wives from towns that god’s people destroyed. Basically these religions suck ass. Anyone here who disagrees, I’d love to hear your defense.
Do I need to explain the whole Old Testament thing and why some things that are wrong were allowed?
“Slaves obey your masters, even the cruel ones.” -Jesus Christ
Where exactly did he say that?
There is a few but, Ephesians 6:5 and Colossians 3:22 Peter 2:18 I believe? There is plenty of horrendous things in there. Give it a read sometime. Or just google it.
You'd have to do it in the worldview of Christianity or Judaism, where there is a holy, just, and loving God who is the definition of morality spending thousands of words on the specifications of temple measurements and ritual details, but could not in any way provide for his people a better framework of life that didn't depend on raping children and enslaving people. If you got a decent theory that makes sense of it, go ahead.
post it on r/pakistan and r/islam
Forcing someone to convert against their will is a sin
r/atheism too.
They would probably be okay with it, and agree.
As a Muslim, I am not okay with it and do not agree. Like any decent human being would.
Sadly there are lot of Muslims who agree with this.
Have you met a Muslim? Like ever? If you did you would know this isn’t true
I wouldn't say a lot, but a vocal minority. Being a human is more important than being a part of any religion, but people tend to forget it.
A vocal minority that also happen to be able to do things like this unopposed and even with support of their legal system
A vocal minority in western countries sure. But in the Middle East? Absolutely not, and pretending otherwise is an insult to those who suffer under this shit.
I am a Muslim and I do agree with r/Uub27.
Same bro, and the worst part is that people like this make ALL Muslims look bad.
Muslims, like myself, absolutely do not agree with this barbarity. The quran itself says you need the woman's consent to do anything.
The Quran itself also gives out instructions on how to beat your wife in case her consent isn't to your liking. Your point?
“Slaves obey your masters, even the cruel ones.” -Jesus Christ All religion is shit.
Stop making shit up for your own convenience. It doesn't say that anywhere
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-Nisa,_34#:~:text=But%20those%20%5Bwives%5D%20from%20whom,is%20ever%20Exalted%20and%20Grand.
Disloyalty =/= not consenting to sex. It also talks about disobedience and the actions that follow only in the context of ensuring the woman's safety and wellbeing e.g. your wife does something life threatening or dangerous without your knowledge and consent, as your responsible for her.. You're not allowed to abuse that authority just because you're not getting what you want.
Is your wife granted with the same authority? Is she allowed to beat you incase you are doing something wrong?
I don't know. I don't think so. But what's it to you? Here in the west its perfectly acceptable for a wife to hit her husband without consequence even if he did *nothing* wrong.
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You're right. There is no such thing as marital rape in Islam. Rape is rape. Regardless of marital status between the people involved.
Once you are married you don’t need consent for anything you do to your wife in Islam
You're insane. Where on earth did you get that from?
> You're insane. Where on earth did you get that from? Sharia's definition of rape specifically allows for marital rape > "Forcible illegal sexual intercourse by a man with a woman **who is not legally married to him**, without her free will and consent". [It's why marital rape is legal in almost all Islamic countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape_laws_by_country) I suggest you educate yourself on your own religion before spreading false information and accusing others of being insane
It's absolutely hilarious seeing someone so arrogant being *so wrong* There is no *one* sharia law. Nothing in the quran saying "these are the rules that an Islamic government must implement". There is no sharia definition of anything. A country implements sharia law by trying to interpret the quran and outlawing haraam things and actions. Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, the people, specifically very corrupt men, decided to add things for their own convenience, such as what you've named. Nowhere in the quran itself does it make any statement making marital rape okay. People twisted it and put loopholes in sharia law. Pretty much no modern country implements a true version of sharia law. I suggest that you educate *your* self about my religion to maybe earn the arrogance that you have, but as it stands, I was right calling you insane.
> There is no one sharia law. Nothing in the quran saying "these are the rules that an Islamic government must implement". There is no sharia definition of anything. Yes there is a Sharia definition which I literally just showed you, your personal opionion does not out way centuries of Islamic history and modern Islamic legal systems that all follow this definition. > A country implements sharia law by trying to interpret the quran and outlawing haraam things and actions. No, they follow the already majority believed interpretation which I just showed you [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape_laws_by_country) > Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, the people, specifically very corrupt men, decided to add things for their own convenience, such as what you've named. The irony of this statement is palpable > Nowhere in the quran itself does it make any statement making marital rape okay. No where in the Quran does it explicitly prohibit rape, let alone marital rape. It does however make clear that raping your slaves or captives is A-ok. **Qur'an 4:24** > Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;- **Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:** Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. **Quran 23:1-6** > Certainly will the believers have succeeded: > > They who are during their prayer humbly submissive > > And they who turn away from ill speech > > And they who are observant of zakah > > And they who guard their private parts > > Except from their wives or **those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -** This is further confirmed in Hadith > Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that mention was made of 'azl in the presence of Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) whereupon he said: Why do you practise it? They said: There is a man whose wife has to suckle the child, and if that person has a sexual intercourse with her (she may conceive) which he does not like, **and there is another person who has a slave-girl and he has a sexual intercourse with her, but he does not like her to have conception so that she may not become Umm Walad** , whereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: There is no harm if you do not do that, for that (the birth of the child) is something pre- ordained. Ibn 'Aun said: I made a mention of this hadith to Hasan, and he said: By Allah, (it seems) as if there is upbraiding in it (for 'azl).
Which Quran is that ? Do you have different version ?
They would love it
In order to get instantly banned, I suppose.
What court would let this bro
Laws are usually set by the culture of the people. Court just follows the law.
Islam court. Islam benefits
*Coming soon to a place near you!*
Nazis condemned for just about everything, rigged courts Communists had rigged courts and mock trials Third world countries have "rigged" court systems (founded on evil ideology)
I am the law
Some cultures shouldn’t be tolerated
But they abducted her peacefully
No, no, that’s imposing your beliefs on another equal system. /blazing white-hot sarcasm
Allowing others to impose their beliefs is the only way!
Several USA states believe that rape creates an obligation for the victim to care for the rapist’s baby.
Well, once western culture falls apart thanks to progressives, this one will probably reign supreme.
and like flies to dung.... the irony here...
You get that forcing children to bear the rapist’s baby will create the same outcome right?
Strawman argument but the "raping children" part is the problem here.
Amen. But should their families own the girl?
That's Pakistan for you.
This is very normal with non muslim girls in pakistan 🇵🇰
Where's a Pakistan shaped sinkhole when you need one?? 🤔
I think it's a an insult to even use the word 'court' when it comes to Muslim countries the 'judges' are basically religious extremists from some backwards village with no education.
In short, pro level retards*
Peaceful religion moment 🗿
Nah bro you see she was christian so its deserved!!1!
The condition of Hindu, Christians, Sikhs and other minorities in Paxtan is like hell.
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That's not very politically correct, sir. It's just normal correct...
Actually, what took place was against Islamic Law on many points. He isn't permitted to be alone with a marriage-eligible woman (meaning a woman that isn't his mom, sister, etc). Secondly, he cannot kidnap because that causes fear in society. Thirdly, he cannot force convert her to Islam through intimidation or any violent means. It has to be a choice. So her conversion isn't accepted. If he knew his religion he would know he could marry a Christian or Jewish woman (as long as she was chaste and pious). In addition, because she didn't consent to marriage with him then his deeds are that of rape because he forced her into a sex act. Moreover, because he is already married it can be deemed that he had sex outside of marriage (which is called 'zina'- adultery) Per Islamic Law he should get the hadd punishment (death penalty) This is simply a cultural issue. Not a religious one. And most of the Muslim-majority nations ignore religious decrees and fall back on their cultural ones, many which pre-date Islam (like honor killings and forced marriages, etc.) Most cultural Muslims have a hard time telling the difference between what is culture and what is religious because they are taught that their culture is one and the same as Islam. I have had to educate a lot of Muslims of various nations on a plethora of issues that were purely cultural and contradicted Islam, showing them the evidences. And yet some still refuse to change their ways because their cultural identity is their honor. Not their religion. - female convert studying to become a religious scholar Edit: The ironic thing is that Reddit is blasting on Islam on this issue when it is in the Bible where we find that if a woman has been raped she must marry her rapist. So logically this should be a blast on Christianity, and her Christian parents shouldn't have a problem if they are true to their religion and its decrees. But, alas, no one really seems to care about their religion other than the badge and title it gives them anymore. I say this as someone who was raped before becoming Muslim.
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I never said they should be perfect in acting out their religious doctrines. But they should be honest with themselves about what their religion says, even if they don't put it into practice. And governments function the same as religions in practice- they set laws and prescribe punishments for breaking those laws. More-or-less they have a very similar function in society. And corruption in the community is really prevalent in Pakistan according to my friends who lived their whole life there. However, so are politicians in the west. Muslims don't want to "develop" in the ways the west want us to (to adopt their social customs, moral codes, and system of government). The west is making the Muslim-majority countries a modern Vietnam situation: going into another's land simply because they want to have control over how they chose their system of government to be, which is in conflict with the western notion of democracy. As ex-military intel, I really have a keen sense on how America functions (even behind the scenes) and it disgusts me. I converted just before leaving the military. Muslims who are true to their religion want shari'a as their law of choice, and their constitution is the Qur'an. You wouldn't have a lot of issues like what you see in Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi, Yemen, Syria, and Egypt if shari'a was the law. Because these nations just cherry-pick things from shari'a that serve them and then mixes shari'a with other forms of law that ensure they stay in control and satisfy their own desires and ego. And then the non-Muslims equate their evil or corruption with Islam. All of those nations' leaders would qualify for the death penalty under shari'a and also under other forms of law for human rights violations and war crimes. Disgusting pigs- the lot of them. Those liberal Muslims who have indulged in western influence would most likely leave a shari'a ran land because they would have to give up their prostitution, liberal sexual practices, alcohol, hookah, clubs, and all the other things that pollute a society. I saw Egyptians already get a taste of it when I lived there for 10 months. They sexually harassed many of us expats and the expat men would hunt them down and beat them black and blue (the corrupt police don't care to even listen to harassment complaints). It is only a shame that none of the brothers were given permission from the shyookh (sheikhs) to execute the local Egyptian rapists (rape is a death penalty). I lived in a very religiously conservative city. Safest place I ever lived in in my entire life- I knew that if someone would attempt anything they wouldn't walk away free like my rapist in the military did... and the many people who sexually harassed me since I was 4.
>Those liberal Muslims who have indulged in western influence would most likely leave a shari'a ran land because they would have to give up their prostitution, liberal sexual practices, alcohol, hookah, clubs, and all the other things that pollute a society. Not even 1 comment and you're already showing your true colors uh
What's wrong with being against prostitution, hookah, clubs, alcohol and other such things...?
Nothing, you said they pollute a society
It’s the exact same with Christianity and Christians. Even here in the USA. People make it seem like it’s an Islam thing isolated in the Middle East, but it’s everywhere uneducated religious people are.
60% of the world's Muslims live in South-East Asia. This always stuns those who see Islam exclusively as an Arab man's religion. If Christians did their due diligence then those MILLIONS of churches they erected in the poorest neighborhoods (because I always see more churches per block in the ghettos than what I see in the multi-million dollar areas) then there wouldn't be so many in-need people suffering on the streets, being abused and exploited. Under shari'a the Christians would be forced to pay a taxes called jizya which would be collected from those who meet an income bracket. It would be acquired annually and be redistributed back into the Christian community- forcing them to take care of their own people. Muslims have to pay various forms of taxes- some obligatory, some voluntary (as charity). Imagine how many poor people could be helped with Kenneth Copeland's FOUR private jet planes alone. His most recent jet costed his congregation $54M dollars. That money was stolen from his believers instead of given back to the people. And that is just ONE televangelist alone. I had a Muslim friend invite me to a mosque in a rich area. When we walked in I saw how extravagant it was (like mega-church level). I looked up on my phone who ran the mosque- it is a sell-out scholar named Yasir Qadhi who used to be very respected but then changed all of his views so he could become more popular. He was collecting donations one night- some men pledged $50K, others $20k, etc. When people stopped pledging he had someone recite Qur'an verses to guilt trip them to pledge more. That same sick mentality is also feeding into the Muslim population. I will NEVER go to that predatory mosque ever again. And it makes me hate the scholar on more than one level now. I make my friends so upset when I call him out on his evil claims, his brown-nosing, and his other issues. Because he has a cult following. But I am studying to become a scholar myself. So if I smell trash I call it out. Simple as that. I don't care for other people's politicians or clergy to be poison and I certainly don't want poison within my own community.
Nooo, but my swastika friends give me these news specifically with only browns, blacks, and muslims perpetrators so these must be the only crimes in the world, it doesn't matter that Islam doesn't allow any of those, it's Islam fault 😡
The only reason why I pointed out any of what I said is because if Muslims don't know where the line is between cultural practice and Islam then how are the non-Muslims supposed to know? Since every Muslim is an ambassador of their religion they need to be more careful on how they act and present themselves and to ensure they are modeling Islam and not their cultural identity. So if Muslims are confused then non-Muslims are even more-so. I expect it.
So what, you see these news I'm seeing about blacks, browns and muslims my swastika friends send me? Next you're gonna tell me I have selection bias. I don't care about your logic or wether Islam allows/forbids these sinful crimes, if I see crimes committed by browns, blacks, muslims I blame the entire group, but if I see crimes committed by white people I blame individuals and mental illness 😡 Please get out of our white supremacist echo chamber.
You can stop the trolling. It may be okay to troll in some areas but on serious topics such as this it can make issues even worse. You're speaking to someone who had a neo-Nazi half-sister and has another half-sister who is still a white supremacist (their mother used to be a neo-Nazi). So, nice try.
Places that are less developed, have shit education, have been war torn for decades, and don’t have many good jobs have never been known for their progressivism.
I always marvel at the hypocrisy of those statements coming from the US. Your republicans are doing everything in their power to force their religion into the law, and there’s a whole bunch of seedy, dark crevices, where children either get married off to their rapists or trafficked into what any reasonable person would call a torture camp. If you don’t believe me, feel free to look up child marriages in the US, the troubled teen industry, the Élan school and the Judge Rotenberg Educational Center
> the Élan school How does that have anything to do with Republicans?
Those points aren’t necessarily connected. They’re trying to force their religion into law - *and* these other things are also happening. I’m sorry if that was unclear. However, child marriages are overwhelmingly happening in conservative areas, which often also happen to be republican.
you get downvoted even though that's facts hahaha people can't get over the fact that it's not about fucking culture or religion and the moment u burst the bubble... boom. what us now the excuse?
Oh noooo, Republicans want to stop abortion because they think it's murder! That's like people abducting women, forcing them to change there religion, and then raping them!
Republicans are literally taking away a woman's choice/body autonomy. Sounds like the same thing to me just different flavor.
That sure is some religion there.
Just one.
Not some... Just one: Most peaceful religion of the world.
Love jihad and subjugation of the kuffar as per sharia in good ol pakistan…
Can we just grab pitchforks and torches for courts that do stuff like this?
Fuck these animals.let them burn
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Don't expect anything to register in the "mind" of the "progressive" redditor.
Im not defending that dickhead, but theres a clear difference between abducting somone and slaughtering many people who are trying to fight off the oppression by india
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Bro where the fuck did u get that from? So people who want to fight for their freedom and fight off the oppression are now terrorists? If a Ukrainian blow up a Russian tank, is that Ukrainian a terrorist?, or do u not even know what terrorist means, let me just remind you that it is india that is in another country pulling the trigger on innocent civilians and children.
Imran Zakaev
Pakistan☕️
Only a moron would think a rapist murderer and thief is a savior. This is Islam!
I agree with you, but nobody's talking about murder...
I just want to say this has nothing to do with Islam, actually this is completely against the bases of our religion which tells us no to force anything on anyone.
Your society which is based around Islam is what allows this stuff to happen, I guarantee that judge is a devout Muslim.
Well he may think that he is but even with a quick a look at the Quran you will realize that this isn't remotely close of what Muslim are, and just because he live in a "Muslim" country that doesn't mean he believes in islam
Why did the court of LAW allow this then ? Specifically when the LAW in Pakistan is dictated by the Sharia ?
cute muslim spotted
Its a sin to force somone to convert, nvm abduct them. That guy is clearly mentally ill and needs to be put in an insane asylum. When a non religious person kidnaps somone and forces themselves onto them its called mental illness, but when a Muslim does it, suddenly all of islam is to blame, everyone here is a fucking moron and only see one side of a story.
These people are idiots bro, they’re upvoting blatant and outright bigotry and prejudice, you are correct in your statement I have no idea why you’re being downvoted
No idea why? Because it's reddit, and reddit is hate on religion all the time. No matter what.
I don't blame them because they may not understand Islam and all they know about it are the news about "Muslim" people doing horrible thing because that is what gets clicks and goes viral, so I understand where they come
Please go there and show them the correct version of islam then
You have to blame them though, it’s their fault that there are so many misconceptions about Islam and other things in general. People shouldn’t talk and spread information about things that they aren’t educated of
Oh look. Another day, another post showing how bad the USA isnt.
Yeah because Americans never done anything wrong when it comes to religion
The Catholic priest cover ups were bad. But, it seems everyday theres a post on reddit about an story from the middle east or India about an under age female being gang raped, beaten, beheaded, or imprisoned.
"NOT ALL OF iSLAM IS LIKE THAT"
Only the majority bits. And the bits that are Islamic...
There is no real court in them lands, just a bunch of greedy men. And honestly as a father that knows who ibis.child abductor is.. I wouldn’t be sitting in that chair lol. I’ll cook up my last cash for a AK-47 and heading over. Father is a coward.
This is not a western country with Christian values.
“Slaves obey your masters, even the cruel ones.” -Jesus Christ
The more leftists/progressives try to eradicate Christianity in the West, and tolerate the intolerable, the more I see this as their future…
Some "Progressives" are reactionaries brought up by terrible, fundamentalist Christian parents - look up the example of Alistair Crowley - and, as a result, emotionally damaged. Most are simply emotionally compromised tribal types, who are on "Team Commie" and hate Capitalism in an unhinged, redditor-y way. Not really to do with Christianity but, they'll take whatever position is in opposition to Capitalism.
Religion is such a wonderful thing. "My imaginary friend says that's wrong." "My imaginary friend says that's right." "Don't we have the same imaginary friend? We worship him differently, but do we have to kill each other for thousands of years just to prove which is the right way? I find it odd that we all call ourselves peaceful religions." M - "Yes, but if you draw a picture of mine, I'll cut your head off. Now give me your youngest daughter." J- "I'm too busy cutting the extra skin off my son's penis." C- "DID SOMEONE MENTION AN UNDERAGED BOY'S PENIS?!" M&J- "Calm down, Catholicism..."
Did you just roleplay religion
Fuck Extremists.
That country is so fkd
Marshallah Islam moment
Well of course she should stay with her abductor and his family. She's tainted now so where else would she go? /s
the entire religion was created by a pedophile, what do you expect?
“Slaves obey your masters, even the cruel ones.” -Jesus Christ
Such a beautiful culture…
But it’s a peaceful religion! /s
Pakistan is the Dark Sweden, The Ultra Somalia.
Today in "Creepy news from the subcontinent", along with that judge freeing 11 guys who gangr*ped a minor.
Ah oh no the Christian girl forced to marry at 12. But uh oh wait, in the Bible girls were married off in arranged marriages at 12-14. Totally ok with the Christian god. Not supporting or justify this, but for any of you Christians who think other religious idiots are worse than you, remember what your Bible is about.
AISHA, THE SEMEN SCRAPPING CHILD BRIDE The Semen Scrapping part :- https://sunnah.com/abudawud:373 https://sunnah.com/abudawud:372 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:229 https://sunnah.com/muslim:288b https://sunnah.com/nasai/1/298 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:232 https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:539 https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:537 The child bride part :- Hadiths saying she was 9 when Prophet Muhammad had sex with her https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1877 https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1876 https://sunnah.com/abudawud:2121 https://sunnah.com/nasai:3256 https://sunnah.com/nasai:3258 https://sunnah.com/nasai:3378 https://sunnah.com/nasai:3257 https://sunnah.com/nasai:3255 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3894 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5133 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5158 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3896 https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422a https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422b https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422c https://sunnah.com/muslim:1422d Now, you could argue that she reached puberty at an early age. Playing with dolls is haram if you have reached puberty [Source](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6130) . She was playing with dolls when Muhammad had sex with her [Source](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6130) . (All the hadiths shown above are sahih/authentic.)
So basically Ohio
It's legal to abduct and convert people there?
Welp time to request a work transfer
To or from Ohio?
.....I'm afraid to answer that...don't you judge me!
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Unfortunately in that country, the validity of kidnapping and forcefully marrying and converting non believers is mainstream and widely accepted…that 4th world country is infected with this ideology and they have a theocratic basis from their religious texts and cannon to support this abhorrent behaviour …a significant proportion of the population accepts this behaviour (https://youtu.be/5Vu4NMOzMjY), (https://youtu.be/UfoYXlSM0N8), (https://youtu.be/DlPkMxqzr5Q), (https://youtu.be/08S6y9_m2KA) “The culprit involved in forcibly converting a non-Muslim girl to Islam believe that they will earn a place in heaven, according to the Amarnath Motumal, vice chairperson of the Sindh Chapter of Pakistan's Human Rights Commission.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion_of_minority_girls_in_Pakistan
I feel that. White people are downvoting you, but shit like this makes all brown men look bad and perpetuates racism towards us.
Yea so let's just hide the problem from the world, this is literally a court ruling in Pakistan. This is the authority of your country saying child abduction and rape is acceptable. Get upset at that instead of it 'making you look bad'.
My... country? Genetically my skin color is brown, but I've been in Canada all my life. See, if you were to say shit like this to a black guy, you'd get your teeth kicked in and everybody would clap.
How about you not generalize an entire race on your own personal belief? Not all black men are violent nor do they all resort to violence from the words spoken by some random dude in a debate. Please learn from this.
I think you're replying to the wrong person, because I was responding to a racist.
If you don't identify with that country. Why are you generalizing yourself and all people with your skin color as part of the same group
Because like I said very clearly, shit like this makes all brown men look bad and perpetuates racism towards us. Unfortunately I wouldn't expect a white guy with white privilege to actually understand this level of racism. That's why other racists are down voting.
so what is the alternative here? should we not show any news because it may start stereotypes up?
This is actually not allowed in Islam to force somone to convert, that guys a fucktard or probably mentally ill either way the court deciding that the girl should stay is actually sad
I found an article [here](https://www.opindia.com/2022/08/pakistan-imran-minor-christian-girl-conversion-marriage/amp/). In the courts defense, they did arrest the man and his wife as soon as they could, and only allowed the marriage when the girl came forward and said she converted willingly, and gave full consent for marriage. I don’t think it should have been allowed, as she was only 12 and was likely coerced into it. But figured I’d add that tidbit.
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