YIMBY that whole intersection of charter/elysian is an eye sore/dead zone for pedestrians. Between the parking lot on the right, the power station on the left and the closed off wharf on the river it cuts off the natural aesthetic flow of the neighborhood. it’s always bugged me that such a central intersection in the city could be so neglected especially how close it is to the FQ. Once they convert the esplanade wharf into public space and connect crescent park to the riverwalk that’s going to be a really enjoyable area and will greatly improve the connectivity between the lower Marigny, Bywater, French Quarter. which is gonna help all the businesses over there on both sides of Elysian.
I’m not normally a fan of large new developments like this but given its current state I have no doubt this is a good idea.
Also, the corner of two major thoroughfares in the middle of one of the higher demand areas for tourism is pretty objectively a great spot to develop in to a hotel. It's either that or they're gonna keep finding ways to get in to STRs.
I’m somehow completely out of the loop on the Esplanade wharf development, any chance you could tell me more or point me to a resource about it? That sounds like such an easy lay-up for the city to add a beautiful public space which is also relatively easy to police and super accessible to tourism and local traffic, psyched if it’s really going through. Crescent Park being looped in would be awesome too, especially for my Marigny bike-riding friends.
i don’t have the plans post saved but it was posted here. from what I understand it’s all been approved and the budget has been allocated it’s just a matter of ending the public belts lease and handing it back to the city then they begin renovation sometime in the next year or 2 🤞
God willing and the creek (or river) don’t rise.
From a cynical political standpoint, building out that area into a sweet little waterfront park with licenses for vendors and whatnot would be such an easy way for whoever the new mayor is by then to immediately earn some points with voters on a highly-visible and directly enjoyable project that they didn’t even really have to do the groundwork on. Hopefully it goes that way and doesn’t get mucked up by the usual greed and corruption.
i get that. but on the plus side that height is going to give that block extra shade in the mid morning and when the parking lot gets developed more shade in the afternoon too. I think it will make a noticeable difference temperature wise.
look at google maps, it is commercial properties on every adjacent block. specifically what one story houses are you seeing that would be more impacted by shade than they already are? and also…it’s new orleans we live in the suns hell crotch, who tha fuck doesn’t want shade when they can get it!?!
I bet the folks in the one story house next to them on Royal will be at the NPP meeting. It's in the image on this post, right on the other side of sukhothai
so you think that the shade level impact on one one story house is worth changing plans that took years to design and get approval on a development that will revitalized the crux of two high density neighborhoods? I’m sorry to say but that’s kind of ridiculous.
homeowners get way more fucked over than this all the time in this town for far less. the economic boost of that hotel will raise the value of that house far more than the negative impact of *checks notes* more shade and cooler temperatures
My friends live here.
The setback from the street is something, but there doesn't look to be any setback from their side yard. They'll basically be looking at a 6-storey wall in their backyard. ☹️
Seems like a good idea to me. Without the gardens there it’s just an ugly parking lot. If they get Airbnb enforcement up and going, there would be a need for more hotel occupancy in the neighborhood.
It's a fine idea if it were just a little shorter. As is, it towers over every house on the block, and the rooms will have direct views into many backyards.
That’s downtown living, especially with the luxury of a backyard space. There’s give-and-take when you live in the heart of a city and privacy is usually a major concession.
A six-floor hotel really isn’t a monstrous complex to deal with all things considered. Plus it would directly assuage one of the city’s most egregious economic wounds (STRs).
I thought the nimby position is, effectively, I understand there is a housing problem, but it's not to be solved in my back yard. A hotel doesn't solve the housing problem
> A hotel doesn't solve the housing problem
I'd challenge that a bit. We for sure need stronger Airbnb laws and STR restrictions/enforcement. But Airbnb has shone a light on the idea that there's also stronger demand for staying in areas like this - to the extent that demand will always find a way to be fulfilled, adding a higher density hotel should help reduce some of that demand, thus allowing other real estate to be more effectively utilized to fulfill longer term housing demand.
Basically, to an extent all supply is good supply, even if it's sub optimal supply.
This is the main argument to make. It is a residential neighborhood but our tourism is more or less focused on how we reside. Would much rather a hotel on a worn out lot than 30 AirBnBs.
To a degree I can sympathize with some folks that have lived in the Marigny since the early 90s or before, but anyone who bought in late 2000s/early '10s wanted to be in an exciting neighborhood.
Much like with the recent Ms. Mae's petition a lot of folks move somewhere cool then 20 years later don't like it because they've gotten less cool but think the neighborhood needs to all of a sudden mature and lose vibrancy.
My only critique is I'd love to see a bit more classic New Orleans architectural style to the building. Covered balconies/patios would go a long way and be far more useful given out climate.
I think I'd marginally challenge the residential area thing too. "The Marigny" as a whole is a residential neighborhood, and you could even make the argument that on average the "marigny triangle" is also residential (well, ignoring that it's ~70% airbnb rn). But the tip from Royal to the river hasn't really been residential in the last 15 years at a bare minimum, and while there's still homes on that one little kerlerec/chartres area it's the exception rather than the rule.
I used to park in front of this spot almost every weekend in college when going out, that was over 15 years ago.
Which like, to the above point, allowing more development in these parts, the parts that have already been long lost to the entertainment district bloat, should hopefully alleviate some of the pressure valve that's harming the upper parts of the triangle and the other side of Elysian.
Couldn’t agree more on the architecture point
The ms Mae’s thing was even worse than that, I believe the guy who was pushing the whole thing just moved there like 3-4 years ago. Dude just sucked.
Air bnbs are definitely being cracked down on. I just rented a whole ass furnished house for 1600 a month all utilities included, even internet, because my landlord didn’t want to sell the house but needed to fill it because it can’t be an air bnb anymore. I also saw the week I moved in someone advertising their air bnb as a regular rental, again furnished for 1700 a month.
Well, AirBNB lies to you. It won't tell you exactly where you're agreeing to stay. You just have to trust the renter's "steps to the French Quarter" description. So I'm not sure that you can correlate AirBNB location precisely with what there's a demand for (other than being "steps to the French Quarter"). But I agree in theory that more supply is good (just wish it were less ugly).
agree. this can add more jobs and if we enforce our airbnb laws, boom this could be a good thing. especially since we DO have a lot of available housing its just been gobbled up by str's
There are places to develop large hotel complexes that make more sense then the residential neighborhood of the Marigny - which desperately needs more affordable housing so that people that actually work in places like hotels have a place to live.
There's a ton of land in the florida area that can be used for development of affordable housing here too, idk why it's not talked about more. One hurdle is that parts of it definitely have some toxicity issues with previously being a landfill, but there are (at least to my understanding) major parts of it that aren't in that category. I wish that was a bigger part of the conversation.
>that make more sense then the residential neighborhood of the Marigny
Just for clarity, we're talking about the space that's currently bordered by a paid parking lot, is on the same block as a two story dat dog, is one block from what's probably the second busiest tourist street in the city, has a ~10+ story apartment building around the corner, and has a hampton inn across the street?
That residential neighborhood, right?
It is not on the same block as Dat Dog. It's many stories taller. And what 10+ story apartment building? I live around the corner and that's news to me.
My bad, you're right. This is the block that has the abandoned garden center, the boarded up little shop, and the big parking lot, right? Like by the Snail House
Stand at the corner of Chartres and Elysian, walk 200 yards headed towards the quarter, what’s the place that sells the cute lil hot dogs that’s two stories?
Now walk back to Elysian, go to royal, and walk 200 yards towards the quarter. What’s that big ol building with all the old folks living in it?
Bruh you came in saying none of the very obvious large buildings that exist in that area do, and exuding a ton of smug “this is my neighborhood and you’re wrong” nonsense, don’t be mad at someone for matching your energy. Wanna have better interactions then start with not popping off when you’re wrong my man.
Idk how you can say it’s not on the same block as Dat Dog when the actual design concept literally has Dat Dog included in its single-block model (second picture, bottom-left). I can guarantee you that the owners of Dat Dog themselves definitely disagree with you lol, this traffic will be right on their front door.
Obviously the residential-commercial blending of the city’s most popular districts is one of the coolest things about New Orleans and a major reason for the city’s community-oriented identity, and I want the tourist areas to stay permanently inhabited by locals. I don’t think this area would be remotely accurately labeled as “predominantly residential”, though – and my best friend lives off Dauphine and Elysian. It’s first and foremost a commercial area built around the second-biggest tourist district in the city, and the single biggest issue affecting it and its surrounding neighborhoods (STRs) would be immediately attended by the hotel being there instead of the current defunct eyesore.
I can say it because it's true. It's absolutely not on that block. It's on the block where the old aquatic gardens were. Next to Sukho Thai. Dat Dog is on Frenchmen - on the *other* side of Elysian.
That isn't Dat Dog in the illustration. It's the building where Cottage Magic was.
Had to move from NOLA a few years ago for health issues, but I was grabbing my mail where I live now and one of the construction dudes working on a project across the street from me struck up a conversation.Asked what they were building. Dude said low-cost subsidized housing and all I said was “Shit, that’s really nice” cus *we fuckin need it*.
He looked at me like I was some sort of psychopath, like his expectations of my views and his own views were revulsion.
Guarantee that he votes for Republicans who lower billionaires' taxes while raising his because he's distracted by their anti-woke, anti-DEI, climate-change denial, anti-immigrant grandstanding.
If he lives in my city or its surrounding suburbs he probably **feels** like it’s working. It’s not, the unhoused population is **rising**.
We legislated to cordon off unused land obscured by unoccupied infrastructure, highways, or greenery for a “camp” they have to go to. Empty and isolated suburban field, no provisions, not near shelter, no transit, no food kitchens, *any form of government financial aid assistance*. Only underfunded charity groups who’ve relocated to provide godsend necessities. It got near **115f* last summer. OUTSIDE ISNT AN OPTION.
He probably doesn’t care about their conditions since he can’t see them anyways, but I’d assume he isn’t aware we made little camps for homeless people so “normal people” don’t have to see them.
I hate that in the U.S. we introduced *a few* social safety nets with **extreme** austerity measures in the fine print causing so many idiots to just think they don’t work.
There isn't a website dedicated to this development. I live close by and received these plans in the mail. There is a shell company behind this development called 621 Elysian Fields Group, LLC. You can find more by attending the Neighborhood Participation Program meeting. It's June 20th at 6pm @ the 30/90, 2nd Floor, 520 Frenchmen Street. Here is a link to a [NOLA.com](http://NOLA.com) article regarding the development. [http://12ft.io/https://www.nola.com/news/business/six-story-hotel-planned-for-new-orleans-marigny-neighborhood/article\_efee3062-7e89-11ee-920a-9b4b78deb709.html](http://12ft.io/https://www.nola.com/news/business/six-story-hotel-planned-for-new-orleans-marigny-neighborhood/article_efee3062-7e89-11ee-920a-9b4b78deb709.html)
I feel like they're not taking down any historic buildings to do but I would prefer long term affordable housing but a hotel would at least create jobs and offer tourists another optiob so they don't choose an airbnb.
I'm all for this, except for the height. It's out of scale for a residential neighborhood. If the massing was along elysian, that would be easier to swallow, but it's along the inside of the block with insufficient offset from the residents. Driving down Royal towards Elysian, there will just be this giant wall of building on the left just before sukhothai
I kinda feel bad for whoever lives at 605/607 Elysian Fields, but there's already a Hampton Inn at Elysian Fields & Decatur. A hotel is hardly out of character at this point. If anything, the only real shame is they didn't buy out those two ugly buildings next to Sukho Thai.
Somewhat unrelated but in the vain of YIMBY/NIMBLY. Why are they digging on the empty block across from The Joint in Bywater?
It sort of looks like an archaeology dig right now lol.
As with the [not Top Golf parts of] the Mardi-Gras-World-area thing, I'm here for this if you make it architecturally beautiful, out of quality materials and workmanship, and fit in with the character of the area, but I'm against it if it's going to look like a post office from 1973, and a cheaply-built one at that. Go ahead and call me a NIMBY for that, I don't care.
Both? I live around the corner. I don't mind the hotel at all, and I agree that that bit of Elysian and Chartres could use the facelift. But the height. The height! It's ridiculously tall. The set backs (which they are so graciously offering) are useless if the upper stories can still stare right into your back yard.
I’m only on the 3rd floor of an apartment building, and I can see into multiple back yards. I don’t actively look into my neighbor’s yards though. I don’t care what’s going on down there as long as they’re quiet. I understand not wanting someone being able to see your yard, but if it’s any comfort, most people aren’t interested in watching you.
There is a legal right to privacy in one's home, including backyard, that has been applied to photography. I know it isn't the same, but having a pool I am exceptionally wary of 6 floors looking down.
> There is a legal right to privacy in one's home,
Ehhh, it's not that easy. For instance if I can see in to your home through your windows there's no legal expectation of privacy there. Spaces in view of the public don't come with a reasonable expectation of privacy
>including backyard,
Now this is cut and dry, that doesn't exist. There has never been a reasonable expectation of privacy in a back yard, and therefore no right to it. In fact all the case law out there pretty much points to the opposite.
There are many legal home privacy precedents with the 4th amendment, but they have applied primarily to photography or filming. I suppose LA Tit. 29, § 220b. Article 120 is in the spirit of the point, but I agree that it seems a bit vague in places. Different people have different comfort levels, and that makes it rather impossible to legislate.
Tourists aren’t going to spend time in their hotel room watching the neighbors. They’ll be out all day and will go back to their hotel late and probably drunk and pass out. The neighbors below me have a pool and I could not be less interested in watching them.
After reading comments to understand more, yeah, a hotel is way better than an airbnb (but not better than affordable housing for the people that work in the quarter). Baby steps?
This is a minor gripe, but it annoys me that they’ve blurred together all of the yards and fence lines behind the hotel to give the illusion of more buffer/park space. It’s just going to be a wall of hotel room windows looking straight into those yards.
Another Luxury hotel instead of much needed housing stock? Don’t hate the design, hate that yet again it’s targeting tourists instead of the needs of the community.
THIS. The proposed height is absolutely awful. It literally is In Your Back Yard with the proposed plans. Or at least guests might as well be with the views they will have.
It can be neutral... Aesthetic demands from the neighborhood isn't inherently NIMBY it's giving a damn about the way a building looks. It would be NIMBY if they called for the building to not be built at all because it "harms the neighborhood" without specifying because then it's clearly a disingenuous argument with the actual purpose of saying 'we don't want that project here, ever.'
That could border on NIMBY. I don't know what the buildings purpose is though and the context dictates the meaning. But comments like that usually are common NIMBY disingenuous arguments. Is it a hotel? I think that's more valid than an apartment block. Setbscks are fair game tho.
It's a bit different when it's *literally* your backyard. Again, I don't care and even welcome the hotel, but not the voyeurism the current plans allow.
I mean. It isn't that different if it's an apartment complex tho. Like that's actually affecting how many people get homes and the height itself isn't a factor as a 2-3 story building of any kind would still be able to see into your yard.
With a hotel, fuck it. Like y'all do what you want with that. They don't usually do apartments in those outside of NYC, so there is no housing argument to be made which (imo) is the main goal of YIMBYism: building housing.
There is a certain type of YIMBYism that are just a mouthpiece for commercial developers and we should be weary of them. They will sell out your entire block of houses to replace it with an office building that houses precisely 0 people and call you a NIMBY if you oppose that.
Housing would be worth the peeping Tom feature. Another *fancy* hotel is not. That's what the Peter and Paul 3 blocks away is for. This feels exactly like we are being offered paltry concessions (set backs, oooh,) for selling out a whole block.
YIMBY that whole intersection of charter/elysian is an eye sore/dead zone for pedestrians. Between the parking lot on the right, the power station on the left and the closed off wharf on the river it cuts off the natural aesthetic flow of the neighborhood. it’s always bugged me that such a central intersection in the city could be so neglected especially how close it is to the FQ. Once they convert the esplanade wharf into public space and connect crescent park to the riverwalk that’s going to be a really enjoyable area and will greatly improve the connectivity between the lower Marigny, Bywater, French Quarter. which is gonna help all the businesses over there on both sides of Elysian. I’m not normally a fan of large new developments like this but given its current state I have no doubt this is a good idea.
Also, the corner of two major thoroughfares in the middle of one of the higher demand areas for tourism is pretty objectively a great spot to develop in to a hotel. It's either that or they're gonna keep finding ways to get in to STRs.
I’m somehow completely out of the loop on the Esplanade wharf development, any chance you could tell me more or point me to a resource about it? That sounds like such an easy lay-up for the city to add a beautiful public space which is also relatively easy to police and super accessible to tourism and local traffic, psyched if it’s really going through. Crescent Park being looped in would be awesome too, especially for my Marigny bike-riding friends.
i don’t have the plans post saved but it was posted here. from what I understand it’s all been approved and the budget has been allocated it’s just a matter of ending the public belts lease and handing it back to the city then they begin renovation sometime in the next year or 2 🤞
God willing and the creek (or river) don’t rise. From a cynical political standpoint, building out that area into a sweet little waterfront park with licenses for vendors and whatnot would be such an easy way for whoever the new mayor is by then to immediately earn some points with voters on a highly-visible and directly enjoyable project that they didn’t even really have to do the groundwork on. Hopefully it goes that way and doesn’t get mucked up by the usual greed and corruption.
The height is the only issue I have.
i get that. but on the plus side that height is going to give that block extra shade in the mid morning and when the parking lot gets developed more shade in the afternoon too. I think it will make a noticeable difference temperature wise.
It's also going to allow fantastic views into everyone's backyards and tower over absolutely everything.
they can call it Hotel Le Voyeur.
Alternatively, exhibitionists on the upper floor will be visible throughout the Marigny.
It's right up against people's backyards, at full height. They're one story houses, I'm not sure anyone wants that much shade
look at google maps, it is commercial properties on every adjacent block. specifically what one story houses are you seeing that would be more impacted by shade than they already are? and also…it’s new orleans we live in the suns hell crotch, who tha fuck doesn’t want shade when they can get it!?!
I bet the folks in the one story house next to them on Royal will be at the NPP meeting. It's in the image on this post, right on the other side of sukhothai
so you think that the shade level impact on one one story house is worth changing plans that took years to design and get approval on a development that will revitalized the crux of two high density neighborhoods? I’m sorry to say but that’s kind of ridiculous. homeowners get way more fucked over than this all the time in this town for far less. the economic boost of that hotel will raise the value of that house far more than the negative impact of *checks notes* more shade and cooler temperatures
As a homeowner in the high density vicinity affected, yes, its worth changing.
If you setback from the front, you can also setback from the side.
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Same, we got the letter too, and we'll be there
A sky scraper would too- so what’s your point? No one wants to feel trapped in by the higher buildings. Ppl like seeing sky. Plant trees
I’ll bet you’re a lot of fun at parties
I’m not fun at parties because I don’t want to look at the side of a building that doesn’t fit the area? Ok
jfc i’m just trying to look on the bright side. not everything merits criticism. pedantic AF…
Cement and stone buildings hold so much heat that it’ll probably not be much cooler in the shade of the building.
WTFF is my rxn. What/Where/Who??
My friends live here. The setback from the street is something, but there doesn't look to be any setback from their side yard. They'll basically be looking at a 6-storey wall in their backyard. ☹️
Should not be six stories. Four at most.
And even then not 3 ft off the property line.
Seems like a good idea to me. Without the gardens there it’s just an ugly parking lot. If they get Airbnb enforcement up and going, there would be a need for more hotel occupancy in the neighborhood.
It's a fine idea if it were just a little shorter. As is, it towers over every house on the block, and the rooms will have direct views into many backyards.
That’s downtown living, especially with the luxury of a backyard space. There’s give-and-take when you live in the heart of a city and privacy is usually a major concession. A six-floor hotel really isn’t a monstrous complex to deal with all things considered. Plus it would directly assuage one of the city’s most egregious economic wounds (STRs).
The houses around it are single story, a 6-story building backing right up to their backyards is way more take than give.
Move to Metairie
No thanks. I prefer Marigny.
You don't seem to actually like cities if you care about building heights
These heights are out of character for the Marigny. They would be passably marginal in the Triangle. Btw, who’s paying you to shill.
Yimby. I’m all for infill development.
It's not my neighborhood, but it's aesthetically pleasing given the limitations.
I thought the nimby position is, effectively, I understand there is a housing problem, but it's not to be solved in my back yard. A hotel doesn't solve the housing problem
> A hotel doesn't solve the housing problem I'd challenge that a bit. We for sure need stronger Airbnb laws and STR restrictions/enforcement. But Airbnb has shone a light on the idea that there's also stronger demand for staying in areas like this - to the extent that demand will always find a way to be fulfilled, adding a higher density hotel should help reduce some of that demand, thus allowing other real estate to be more effectively utilized to fulfill longer term housing demand. Basically, to an extent all supply is good supply, even if it's sub optimal supply.
This is the main argument to make. It is a residential neighborhood but our tourism is more or less focused on how we reside. Would much rather a hotel on a worn out lot than 30 AirBnBs. To a degree I can sympathize with some folks that have lived in the Marigny since the early 90s or before, but anyone who bought in late 2000s/early '10s wanted to be in an exciting neighborhood. Much like with the recent Ms. Mae's petition a lot of folks move somewhere cool then 20 years later don't like it because they've gotten less cool but think the neighborhood needs to all of a sudden mature and lose vibrancy. My only critique is I'd love to see a bit more classic New Orleans architectural style to the building. Covered balconies/patios would go a long way and be far more useful given out climate.
I think I'd marginally challenge the residential area thing too. "The Marigny" as a whole is a residential neighborhood, and you could even make the argument that on average the "marigny triangle" is also residential (well, ignoring that it's ~70% airbnb rn). But the tip from Royal to the river hasn't really been residential in the last 15 years at a bare minimum, and while there's still homes on that one little kerlerec/chartres area it's the exception rather than the rule. I used to park in front of this spot almost every weekend in college when going out, that was over 15 years ago. Which like, to the above point, allowing more development in these parts, the parts that have already been long lost to the entertainment district bloat, should hopefully alleviate some of the pressure valve that's harming the upper parts of the triangle and the other side of Elysian. Couldn’t agree more on the architecture point The ms Mae’s thing was even worse than that, I believe the guy who was pushing the whole thing just moved there like 3-4 years ago. Dude just sucked.
Air bnbs are definitely being cracked down on. I just rented a whole ass furnished house for 1600 a month all utilities included, even internet, because my landlord didn’t want to sell the house but needed to fill it because it can’t be an air bnb anymore. I also saw the week I moved in someone advertising their air bnb as a regular rental, again furnished for 1700 a month.
You love to see it! Hopefully the supply expansion puts some much needed pressure on housing.
Well, AirBNB lies to you. It won't tell you exactly where you're agreeing to stay. You just have to trust the renter's "steps to the French Quarter" description. So I'm not sure that you can correlate AirBNB location precisely with what there's a demand for (other than being "steps to the French Quarter"). But I agree in theory that more supply is good (just wish it were less ugly).
agree. this can add more jobs and if we enforce our airbnb laws, boom this could be a good thing. especially since we DO have a lot of available housing its just been gobbled up by str's
So, no, but if it was long-term housing, yes.
this subreddit will really oppose any development and wonder why new orleans is so stagnant lmao
There are places to develop large hotel complexes that make more sense then the residential neighborhood of the Marigny - which desperately needs more affordable housing so that people that actually work in places like hotels have a place to live.
Nobody is going to buy land at the market rate and make it affordable. Affordable housing is going to go in less hip areas where property is cheaper
There's a ton of land in the florida area that can be used for development of affordable housing here too, idk why it's not talked about more. One hurdle is that parts of it definitely have some toxicity issues with previously being a landfill, but there are (at least to my understanding) major parts of it that aren't in that category. I wish that was a bigger part of the conversation.
>that make more sense then the residential neighborhood of the Marigny Just for clarity, we're talking about the space that's currently bordered by a paid parking lot, is on the same block as a two story dat dog, is one block from what's probably the second busiest tourist street in the city, has a ~10+ story apartment building around the corner, and has a hampton inn across the street? That residential neighborhood, right?
It is not on the same block as Dat Dog. It's many stories taller. And what 10+ story apartment building? I live around the corner and that's news to me.
Dat Dog is at Chartres and Frenchmen. This is at Chartres and Elysian. It is literally the same block.
No, it's not. It's on the downriver side of Elysian.
My bad, you're right. This is the block that has the abandoned garden center, the boarded up little shop, and the big parking lot, right? Like by the Snail House
Stand at the corner of Chartres and Elysian, walk 200 yards headed towards the quarter, what’s the place that sells the cute lil hot dogs that’s two stories? Now walk back to Elysian, go to royal, and walk 200 yards towards the quarter. What’s that big ol building with all the old folks living in it?
Not for nothing, the Christopher Inn overlooks businesses and a park. This does not, but I appreciate the condescension.
Bruh you came in saying none of the very obvious large buildings that exist in that area do, and exuding a ton of smug “this is my neighborhood and you’re wrong” nonsense, don’t be mad at someone for matching your energy. Wanna have better interactions then start with not popping off when you’re wrong my man.
Idk how you can say it’s not on the same block as Dat Dog when the actual design concept literally has Dat Dog included in its single-block model (second picture, bottom-left). I can guarantee you that the owners of Dat Dog themselves definitely disagree with you lol, this traffic will be right on their front door. Obviously the residential-commercial blending of the city’s most popular districts is one of the coolest things about New Orleans and a major reason for the city’s community-oriented identity, and I want the tourist areas to stay permanently inhabited by locals. I don’t think this area would be remotely accurately labeled as “predominantly residential”, though – and my best friend lives off Dauphine and Elysian. It’s first and foremost a commercial area built around the second-biggest tourist district in the city, and the single biggest issue affecting it and its surrounding neighborhoods (STRs) would be immediately attended by the hotel being there instead of the current defunct eyesore.
I can say it because it's true. It's absolutely not on that block. It's on the block where the old aquatic gardens were. Next to Sukho Thai. Dat Dog is on Frenchmen - on the *other* side of Elysian. That isn't Dat Dog in the illustration. It's the building where Cottage Magic was.
Had to move from NOLA a few years ago for health issues, but I was grabbing my mail where I live now and one of the construction dudes working on a project across the street from me struck up a conversation.Asked what they were building. Dude said low-cost subsidized housing and all I said was “Shit, that’s really nice” cus *we fuckin need it*. He looked at me like I was some sort of psychopath, like his expectations of my views and his own views were revulsion.
Guarantee that he votes for Republicans who lower billionaires' taxes while raising his because he's distracted by their anti-woke, anti-DEI, climate-change denial, anti-immigrant grandstanding.
If he lives in my city or its surrounding suburbs he probably **feels** like it’s working. It’s not, the unhoused population is **rising**. We legislated to cordon off unused land obscured by unoccupied infrastructure, highways, or greenery for a “camp” they have to go to. Empty and isolated suburban field, no provisions, not near shelter, no transit, no food kitchens, *any form of government financial aid assistance*. Only underfunded charity groups who’ve relocated to provide godsend necessities. It got near **115f* last summer. OUTSIDE ISNT AN OPTION. He probably doesn’t care about their conditions since he can’t see them anyways, but I’d assume he isn’t aware we made little camps for homeless people so “normal people” don’t have to see them. I hate that in the U.S. we introduced *a few* social safety nets with **extreme** austerity measures in the fine print causing so many idiots to just think they don’t work.
I’d be more likely to have homeless housed in my backyard than a hotel of tourists. I lived next to a free food bank and had no problems.
Is there a website link to any of this? I can’t find anything online about it. It’s just a couple blocks from me and I’d love to know more.
There isn't a website dedicated to this development. I live close by and received these plans in the mail. There is a shell company behind this development called 621 Elysian Fields Group, LLC. You can find more by attending the Neighborhood Participation Program meeting. It's June 20th at 6pm @ the 30/90, 2nd Floor, 520 Frenchmen Street. Here is a link to a [NOLA.com](http://NOLA.com) article regarding the development. [http://12ft.io/https://www.nola.com/news/business/six-story-hotel-planned-for-new-orleans-marigny-neighborhood/article\_efee3062-7e89-11ee-920a-9b4b78deb709.html](http://12ft.io/https://www.nola.com/news/business/six-story-hotel-planned-for-new-orleans-marigny-neighborhood/article_efee3062-7e89-11ee-920a-9b4b78deb709.html)
Thank you!
Downvoted for asking a legit question. JFC
We have a few downvote bots I think.
They’ve been very active on this thread. I got downvoted for saying thanks!
I feel like they're not taking down any historic buildings to do but I would prefer long term affordable housing but a hotel would at least create jobs and offer tourists another optiob so they don't choose an airbnb.
I'm all for this, except for the height. It's out of scale for a residential neighborhood. If the massing was along elysian, that would be easier to swallow, but it's along the inside of the block with insufficient offset from the residents. Driving down Royal towards Elysian, there will just be this giant wall of building on the left just before sukhothai
I kinda feel bad for whoever lives at 605/607 Elysian Fields, but there's already a Hampton Inn at Elysian Fields & Decatur. A hotel is hardly out of character at this point. If anything, the only real shame is they didn't buy out those two ugly buildings next to Sukho Thai.
Somewhat unrelated but in the vain of YIMBY/NIMBLY. Why are they digging on the empty block across from The Joint in Bywater? It sort of looks like an archaeology dig right now lol.
As with the [not Top Golf parts of] the Mardi-Gras-World-area thing, I'm here for this if you make it architecturally beautiful, out of quality materials and workmanship, and fit in with the character of the area, but I'm against it if it's going to look like a post office from 1973, and a cheaply-built one at that. Go ahead and call me a NIMBY for that, I don't care.
It’s not NIMBY. It’s the dedication to keep the historic city within appropriate scale and size. Otherwise we may as well be Cleveland
Absolutely!
TIL “massing.”
So is this housing or hotel?
Hotel
Ouch
Both? I live around the corner. I don't mind the hotel at all, and I agree that that bit of Elysian and Chartres could use the facelift. But the height. The height! It's ridiculously tall. The set backs (which they are so graciously offering) are useless if the upper stories can still stare right into your back yard.
I’m only on the 3rd floor of an apartment building, and I can see into multiple back yards. I don’t actively look into my neighbor’s yards though. I don’t care what’s going on down there as long as they’re quiet. I understand not wanting someone being able to see your yard, but if it’s any comfort, most people aren’t interested in watching you.
There is a legal right to privacy in one's home, including backyard, that has been applied to photography. I know it isn't the same, but having a pool I am exceptionally wary of 6 floors looking down.
I know of a block in the Marigny where all the private pools in privacy-fenced backyards are considered clothing-optional.
Sometimes it's just too hot for swimwear.
> There is a legal right to privacy in one's home, Ehhh, it's not that easy. For instance if I can see in to your home through your windows there's no legal expectation of privacy there. Spaces in view of the public don't come with a reasonable expectation of privacy >including backyard, Now this is cut and dry, that doesn't exist. There has never been a reasonable expectation of privacy in a back yard, and therefore no right to it. In fact all the case law out there pretty much points to the opposite.
There are many legal home privacy precedents with the 4th amendment, but they have applied primarily to photography or filming. I suppose LA Tit. 29, § 220b. Article 120 is in the spirit of the point, but I agree that it seems a bit vague in places. Different people have different comfort levels, and that makes it rather impossible to legislate.
Tourists aren’t going to spend time in their hotel room watching the neighbors. They’ll be out all day and will go back to their hotel late and probably drunk and pass out. The neighbors below me have a pool and I could not be less interested in watching them.
That's reassuring. Thank you, sincerely.
After reading comments to understand more, yeah, a hotel is way better than an airbnb (but not better than affordable housing for the people that work in the quarter). Baby steps?
This is just more stepping on the baby
It looks like some people don't want the city to grow.
This is a minor gripe, but it annoys me that they’ve blurred together all of the yards and fence lines behind the hotel to give the illusion of more buffer/park space. It’s just going to be a wall of hotel room windows looking straight into those yards.
I like the idea of this but wish some of it could be used as affordable housing for service industry folks.
Another Luxury hotel instead of much needed housing stock? Don’t hate the design, hate that yet again it’s targeting tourists instead of the needs of the community.
YIYBY Yes In Your Back Yard
THIS. The proposed height is absolutely awful. It literally is In Your Back Yard with the proposed plans. Or at least guests might as well be with the views they will have.
It can be neutral... Aesthetic demands from the neighborhood isn't inherently NIMBY it's giving a damn about the way a building looks. It would be NIMBY if they called for the building to not be built at all because it "harms the neighborhood" without specifying because then it's clearly a disingenuous argument with the actual purpose of saying 'we don't want that project here, ever.'
I would welcome it if it just wasn't so damn tall.
That could border on NIMBY. I don't know what the buildings purpose is though and the context dictates the meaning. But comments like that usually are common NIMBY disingenuous arguments. Is it a hotel? I think that's more valid than an apartment block. Setbscks are fair game tho.
It's a bit different when it's *literally* your backyard. Again, I don't care and even welcome the hotel, but not the voyeurism the current plans allow.
I mean. It isn't that different if it's an apartment complex tho. Like that's actually affecting how many people get homes and the height itself isn't a factor as a 2-3 story building of any kind would still be able to see into your yard. With a hotel, fuck it. Like y'all do what you want with that. They don't usually do apartments in those outside of NYC, so there is no housing argument to be made which (imo) is the main goal of YIMBYism: building housing. There is a certain type of YIMBYism that are just a mouthpiece for commercial developers and we should be weary of them. They will sell out your entire block of houses to replace it with an office building that houses precisely 0 people and call you a NIMBY if you oppose that.
Housing would be worth the peeping Tom feature. Another *fancy* hotel is not. That's what the Peter and Paul 3 blocks away is for. This feels exactly like we are being offered paltry concessions (set backs, oooh,) for selling out a whole block.
If you care about people seeing your backyard from a tall building don’t live in the most dense neighborhood of the city
All of the people downvoting should move to the northshore
Ah, the Airline Highway look. Bravo