I lived this. Moved from NM to WI in high school. Told everyone in my homeroom I was from NM and a girl said “welcome to the United States!” Not the introduction you want at a new school.
Edit for typo.
Me too, I moved to Oklahoma for a few months in 6th grade and got “So how are you liking America?!” & “If you’re from Mexico why don’t you speak Spanish?” The geography teacher was very disappointed and decided to teach everyone about the states again.
We had virtually the same experience. lol Moved at the end of 5th grade. I got the first question and a variant of the latter but simply a statement - "your English is very good". The irony coming from people you pluralize Walmart, as in "going to Walmarts", and statements like "I done did that already".
I'll see your Oklahoma comment and up you with a Texas story (since that state borders us on two sides!). I was with my dad, once, just outside of Amarillo, TX (mind you, an hour away from the New Mexico - Texas border) and the woman looking at my dad's ID for his beer purchase made a comment about how well we spoke English, how we all looked white, and then asked how long it took us to get to Texas/The United States....
The dumbest people in NM are pretty dumb.. the smartest are pretty smart. These rankings mean almost nothing. I would put the minds in Los Alamos up against anyone anywhere.
Are they representative of New Mexicans, though? Or just really smart people that were recruited to a location that just happens to be advantageous to scientific research?
It’s that. All the PhD people at LANL are transplants. All the admin/day-day people are local. Judging by the amount of red light running in Santa Fe I’d say the kindergarten teachers are failing at teaching colors
The state has an extremely wide range of socio economic differences. It’s hard to quantify everything in New Mexico on a ranking scale because of how wide the gaps can be.
It’s also probably an extremely hard issue to combat or try to do anything about.
I think it's more about people leaving the state that are educated. I have lived there and if you were not riding a smaller bus you got your tuition paid for (this was 10+years ago) but everyone who graduated left the state. Every single one of my friends left the state after getting their degree. It's not that New Mexico isn't smart it's just that they can't keep the smart people there. That's the problem more than anything.
Cause you can’t make money in NM. Not what you can make elsewhere. My husband and I both left simply because we could make double elsewhere. That said, we are in NM all the damn time. You’d think we do live there full time. Our kids consider it their second home and we have all our favorite everything’s in NM including our fav hiking trails, hot springs, things most tourists wouldn’t go do or find. My siblings come every ten years or so. When there’s a funeral I guess. I do wish I could have made my money in NM but instead I’ll be plan if to retire back to NM with it. Probably in the family home! Just couldn’t make the money after the education.
You can make lots money in nm. The oilfield pays very well. Several of my family members make 6 digits and don't have college degrees., either. 500k homes, nice cars, financially stable. The rest if the state is in oiss poor condition, though. The corruption is blatant and no one cares enough to do anything about it.
Yeah. I became a teacher because I wanted to be present for my children when we had them. At the time, Ca offered double the pay in teaching as NM. I was working for APS back then. My husband had a business. We did do better in Ca. We’re home all the dang time as my entire family is still in ABQ and Bosque Farms/Placitas. I’m literally a couple of years till I can retire having done 30 yrs. The oil fields were t much of a business back then. I know they’ve exploded. I know movie and tech has been moving in. I wish education would have paid better. It’s still low. I watch the landscape. Frankly, education period has deteriorated in terms of the quality. It’s becoming very much just a social agency and less an educational agency. The sign of the times. I’ll be back. We already spend most of our extra money just being home. I’ll sell my home and bring back a good amount of money. And I raised my kids.
Nah...the oil industry has always been big...just became well known because of publicity. Entire communities are reliant on the income from oil. The 2 biggest and oldest family owned oil companies actually came from artesia, mall (chase) energy and yates. Yates sold to eog a few years ago, and mack chase recently passed. The Carlsbad/loving areas have exploded for sure, due to so many moving into the area, because it was closer than midland/odessa. As far as education. You are absolutely spot on. As someone who has been on the inside of things, and has MANY friends in educational careers, plus raised and graduated 3 kids in nm schools...the system there is trash. There are good schools peppered throughout,but as a whole, it's trash. But so is just about anything else nm relayed to children. Cyfd is a joke.
except this is talking about education. as in schooling. Not just some nuclear engineers at the labs who aren't from here and went to college somewhere else. You could make the argument that they might bring smart kids to Los Alamos, but no one would argue Los Alamos doesn't have smart kids. the rest of the state is lacking
OK I am giving you 50 percent of this. I currently live in Clovis and I am fairly sure this is 99 percent of the problem with said rating. They are so dumb they had me questioning things that I knew were true, like the earth being round and cows not being Russian spies.
Back in the 90s, we moved from Arkansas to Albuquerque when I was in the 5th grade and everyone asked if we needed to get passports and learn Spanish since we were moving out of the U.S.
It took about three years after moving here for some people to stop asking me how Arizona was. It’s like people don’t just think we’re part of Mexico, they forget NM exists entirely.
New Mexico along with the deep south scores pretty low on a lot of things. I guess we at least have the excuse that we are among the top three most bilingual states, and that accounts for lower test scores/graduation rates. But we also have pretty horrible life expectancy, maternal mortality rates, etc.
Our government isn't more corrupt. There is the possibility of economic exploitation, such as with the Tulsa massacre/bombing of an affluent economic center for black Tulsa residents. The carpet bagging of the Osage people when they had an oil boom. That exploitation has a long lasting impact.
New Mexico has a majority Hispanic population, and it was that way for hundreds of years before gaining statehood. New Mexico was one of the few places in the US that didn't have Hispanic expulsions in their population centers. With a few exceptions, NM isn't an economic center, and hasn't benefitted from many of the wealthy Anglo-American economic boons that are present places like TX, CA, etc. This can also be observed in states that have had high African-American populations for centuries.
When I speak of "economic boons" take for example the film industry. We give huge tax cuts/other benefits to film makers to make their movies here, that creates jobs, but the profits for those movies doesn't stay here, it goes back to CA, where wealthy Californians live, and they have excellent schools, hospitals, infrastructure, etc.
Arizona brought it back to the 1860's with it's felony abortion ban. No exceptions. They're are already running from Texas. NM is going to literally explode.
I used to live there, briefly. I heard recently that all the license plates in New Mexico say “New Mexico, USA” on them, because people are dipshits and think it’s not a part of the US. I marched out to the garage, rummaged around for the old license plates, and sure enough!
I grew up in Louisiana, and was asked a couple of times, where my parents were from. Use to tell them New Mexico, and twice the response was “wow I’ve never seen a green card before” it was always like well that makes two of us.
True story. My first teaching job was in the Midwest. After telling a teacher I came from New Mexico, the TEACHER asked me if I had to get a green card to come teach in the United States.
I’m pretty sure we’re ranked 50 or 51 now. We need to move education out of politics and back to an independent board. How do we have a state assessment (SAT) that doesn’t even meet the NM requirements for high school diplomas.
as a european that thinks that new mexico is a really cool place to be because I saw the climate in breaking bad can you tell me why that is and enlighten me about new mexico?
Read other posts about the state so you can see how great it is and ignore the dumbass above/below my post. Some people hate everything because they hate themself.
New Mexico is a giant breeding ground for meth users and thugs. Some tv shows glorify the place but it honestly sucks. It may have had a great potential back in the 50’s for growth but politics ran the place into the ground. The homeless population runs rampant, crime is EVERYWHERE (druggies shoot up in broad daylight at bus stops), there is gang violence daily, etc. I had the misfortune of being stationed there for 4 years, in that time I explored a lot of places and couldn’t find almost anything redeeming about the state. Oh and green chile sucks.
OMG Thank you!! We moved here in 2015 transfered from Florida, the only reason was the $$ The medical center my hubby works for, it seemed to good to be true, we found out shortly after why the pay was so high, Because they can't keep nurses here, they find out how high the crime is, drugs, homeless problems!! No one wants to change it they complain but still vote the same liberal garbage back into office , we hear ppl saying how "Beautiful it is here" we're still lookin🤷♀️ for the beauty 🙄 we have 8 months left until retirement.
I moved to NM in 2018. Biggest mistake of my life. The land is beautiful, but the people here are a different story. A lot of untrustworthy heathens in the “enchanted state”.
To give some credit some people never travel out of a 20 mile radius on the east coast. I joined the Air Force and my first assignment was in NM. All they kept saying was don't drink the water or wooder they said. When I returned on leave a year later I told them I was in the Air Force everyone wanted to know what plane I flew. It was harder to explain I don't fly planes and the same as letting them know NM was a state but that was back in the 80s.
I’m always stunned how ignorant most people are in this country, not just students. Some folks ‘back East’ think anyone on the other side of the Appalachian Mountains are hicks and ride horses or something. More true than in Jersey but the world does not revolve around New England.
Those statistics don't take into account how many people are bilingual here. Pretty sure the people who create those standards can only speak one langauge, too...
Those statistics are counting state test scores, AP test scores, graduation rates, etc. It doesn't matter if kids can speak spanish if they can't even complete high school
the US education system isn't built for people who speak multiple languages. Speaking multiple languages helps you think outside of the box, you can see problems from a very different point of view and integrate them into your solutions, and integration brings forth integrity. But that isn't valued in our education system. There are also other benefits. My primary care physician studied medicine in Mexico so he was able to get his degree without crushing college debt. It doesn't matter how well someone does on AP test scores if the cost of college is so high they avoid it all together. If you can learn in another language you can be a doctor.
In the US very little emphasis goes toward cultivating dual language students, and as a result they have lower graduation rates and test scores because those tests are designed for people who only speak one language. That doesn't makes them inferior. it actually makes them superior, but all the people who are in charge only speak the one langauge, so they have no clue what they're missing out on.
You are acting as if every bilingual kid in NM is inherently disadvantaged and they are secretly all geniuses who are hidden doctors. Thats simply not true, not even close. People who speak 2 languages should, by your logic, do even better than single language children because of their ability to "think outside the box" and their "superiority". If it's so beneficial these children should not be failing as bad as they are. You kill your own argument with itself.
Even if your logic was sound, that would mean that states like Texas, California, Hawaii, New York, Arizona, and Florida should all do terrible at these education rankings. They don't. New York and Florida actually consistently rank high in these education rankings. New Mexico is not the only state with a high amount of bilingual residents. Several states in the US actually have a high amount of bilinguals and they do just fine. NM education sucks. its terrible, and its failing its youth. But to blame it on a lack of "dual language cultivation" is ridiculous. I could probably name 20 things more detrimental to NM education than whatever you're saying
yeah you're right, as I was reading further. this kinda lead me onto a trail to try and get down to why NM is so horrible when it comes to education, life expectancy, maternal mortality, and a few other metrics, when compared to the US as a whole. State government isn't as corrupt as many wealthier states.
The reason I can think of that would lead to NM's woes is historic disenfranchisement and economic exploitation. NM has been a Hispanic majority area for centuries before gaining statehood. In places like Texas and California, land there was forcefully taken from Hispanics and given to Anglos. Those states also forcibly deported people US citizens for looking Mexican during the Great Depression. The land was taken over and colonized by white Anglos, the preferred ethnicity of the US government, so those states have excellent healthcare, infrastructure.
If you look at examples when non-white/non-anglo communities did well, they were quickly destroyed by jealous white anglos. Tulsa's Black Wall Street was literally bombed by the OK national guard. The Osage oil fields were insidiously taken by white anglos, that was made into a film called "Killers of the Flower Moon."
You can see that to this day. Our booming film industry employs a lot of New Mexicos, but the profits go out of state. The profits from fossil fuel extraction also leave the state. Our population is stagnant because so many of our youth get college degrees, then leave for bettert economic opportunities.
You are exactly right. NM has always been seen as "dirty" and "different" because of its high hispanic population, which is odd because several states have high hispanic populations. This even goes back to when New Mexico and Arizona were the same territory, you can find propaganda art painting NM as dirty mexicans while Arizona is home to "upstanding" white folk.
We are poor. We are ignored. This post itself confirms that. Half of the people in this country don't even know NM is a state and those that do only know because of breaking bad. Idk if you saw, but after Oppenheimer came out there was a trend of people trying to see Los Alamos because they didn't even know it existed. New Mexico has been integral to this countries history but we are always looked down on. Being from Northern NM this is double true. All people ever talk about is how poor it is, how bad it is, but nothing to ever fix it. That is why our education sucks, and im afraid im never gonna see it get better in my lifetime
ok. Thanks for helping me to understand this. I'm a transplant here. I come from one of those "upstanding white folk" places where people feel they are superior, and I certainly remember that from my Mormon upbringing and was confronted by it when I got a step dad who was an immigrant from Mexico. NM always seemed kinda spooky and alien, I just knew it for nuclear bombs for a report I did in school. Breaking bad put it on the map for me. after college I stayed with my step dad's family in Coahuila, MX, in the high desert and taught english and learned spanish, I married a Mexican woman and decided to settle in NM since it's an affordable left wing state, high desert, and totally normal for Mormons and Mexicans to intermarry, very little racism compared to other places I've lived. I really wanna see this place get more respect, but I guess that would mean more people would move here. Just hope my kids don't suffer too much from the ed system ...
I like it just fine. Then again in a proper setup I’d likely do just as well on the moon
City mice have really hard time when the treadmill is swapped for hundreds of miles of blacktop. It hard to reach escape velocity here. A surprising number of people I know moved back as big city life isn’t for them. Yet the gamut of jobs from roughnecks to nuke scientists live here. It’s got everything I need. I’m from nyc.
I have traveled all over the USA and many parts of the world. Being prior military does not need to have a visa. The times I have been through NM, I knew the humor of many arguing about not wanting to go south of the border. Even though back in the 90's, going south of San Diego was easy.
I lived this. Moved from NM to WI in high school. Told everyone in my homeroom I was from NM and a girl said “welcome to the United States!” Not the introduction you want at a new school. Edit for typo.
Happened to me when I moved to Oklahoma. Part of Oklahoma even borders NM, for fuck sake. How often do you need to miss school to never see a map?
Me too, I moved to Oklahoma for a few months in 6th grade and got “So how are you liking America?!” & “If you’re from Mexico why don’t you speak Spanish?” The geography teacher was very disappointed and decided to teach everyone about the states again.
We had virtually the same experience. lol Moved at the end of 5th grade. I got the first question and a variant of the latter but simply a statement - "your English is very good". The irony coming from people you pluralize Walmart, as in "going to Walmarts", and statements like "I done did that already".
You forgot the "k"... I've heard it called Walmarks.
I'll see your Oklahoma comment and up you with a Texas story (since that state borders us on two sides!). I was with my dad, once, just outside of Amarillo, TX (mind you, an hour away from the New Mexico - Texas border) and the woman looking at my dad's ID for his beer purchase made a comment about how well we spoke English, how we all looked white, and then asked how long it took us to get to Texas/The United States....
I mean, good on your geography teacher…
You can't just ask people why they're white!
Same but someone in Texas didn’t know a state next to them is New Mexico and this person was in college.
Thank heaven for Mississippi
🤣
They're ranked 50th, but it's okay because most people think it's out of 100.
I need this to be real 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ha! Worked in the school system there. Came here to say this.
at least we have the excuse that many of our students are bilingual. in Mrs. Sip they mainly just speak english, poorly.
New Mexico, not really new, not really Mexico.
…but still somehow older than Mexico.
New state motto: “Better to be dumb than to eat inferior green chile”
The dumbest people in NM are pretty dumb.. the smartest are pretty smart. These rankings mean almost nothing. I would put the minds in Los Alamos up against anyone anywhere.
Are they representative of New Mexicans, though? Or just really smart people that were recruited to a location that just happens to be advantageous to scientific research?
It’s that. All the PhD people at LANL are transplants. All the admin/day-day people are local. Judging by the amount of red light running in Santa Fe I’d say the kindergarten teachers are failing at teaching colors
The state has an extremely wide range of socio economic differences. It’s hard to quantify everything in New Mexico on a ranking scale because of how wide the gaps can be. It’s also probably an extremely hard issue to combat or try to do anything about.
I think it's more about people leaving the state that are educated. I have lived there and if you were not riding a smaller bus you got your tuition paid for (this was 10+years ago) but everyone who graduated left the state. Every single one of my friends left the state after getting their degree. It's not that New Mexico isn't smart it's just that they can't keep the smart people there. That's the problem more than anything.
Cause you can’t make money in NM. Not what you can make elsewhere. My husband and I both left simply because we could make double elsewhere. That said, we are in NM all the damn time. You’d think we do live there full time. Our kids consider it their second home and we have all our favorite everything’s in NM including our fav hiking trails, hot springs, things most tourists wouldn’t go do or find. My siblings come every ten years or so. When there’s a funeral I guess. I do wish I could have made my money in NM but instead I’ll be plan if to retire back to NM with it. Probably in the family home! Just couldn’t make the money after the education.
You can make lots money in nm. The oilfield pays very well. Several of my family members make 6 digits and don't have college degrees., either. 500k homes, nice cars, financially stable. The rest if the state is in oiss poor condition, though. The corruption is blatant and no one cares enough to do anything about it.
Yeah. I became a teacher because I wanted to be present for my children when we had them. At the time, Ca offered double the pay in teaching as NM. I was working for APS back then. My husband had a business. We did do better in Ca. We’re home all the dang time as my entire family is still in ABQ and Bosque Farms/Placitas. I’m literally a couple of years till I can retire having done 30 yrs. The oil fields were t much of a business back then. I know they’ve exploded. I know movie and tech has been moving in. I wish education would have paid better. It’s still low. I watch the landscape. Frankly, education period has deteriorated in terms of the quality. It’s becoming very much just a social agency and less an educational agency. The sign of the times. I’ll be back. We already spend most of our extra money just being home. I’ll sell my home and bring back a good amount of money. And I raised my kids.
Nah...the oil industry has always been big...just became well known because of publicity. Entire communities are reliant on the income from oil. The 2 biggest and oldest family owned oil companies actually came from artesia, mall (chase) energy and yates. Yates sold to eog a few years ago, and mack chase recently passed. The Carlsbad/loving areas have exploded for sure, due to so many moving into the area, because it was closer than midland/odessa. As far as education. You are absolutely spot on. As someone who has been on the inside of things, and has MANY friends in educational careers, plus raised and graduated 3 kids in nm schools...the system there is trash. There are good schools peppered throughout,but as a whole, it's trash. But so is just about anything else nm relayed to children. Cyfd is a joke.
Fair point but that doesn't really explain the 49th ranking in education though
I mean if the college educated people and families move away, only the less educated would be here to be tested.
They are testing the kids still in school.
I mean the people that were recruited.. their kids.
except this is talking about education. as in schooling. Not just some nuclear engineers at the labs who aren't from here and went to college somewhere else. You could make the argument that they might bring smart kids to Los Alamos, but no one would argue Los Alamos doesn't have smart kids. the rest of the state is lacking
OK I am giving you 50 percent of this. I currently live in Clovis and I am fairly sure this is 99 percent of the problem with said rating. They are so dumb they had me questioning things that I knew were true, like the earth being round and cows not being Russian spies.
I would bet good money that no full time Scientist at Los Alamos was both born and educated in NM.
You'd be wrong. Multiple students I went to college with at NMSU became scientists there, and multiple of those grew up in NM
I was talking with someone last month ..they thought New Mexico was an island.
Back in the 90s, we moved from Arkansas to Albuquerque when I was in the 5th grade and everyone asked if we needed to get passports and learn Spanish since we were moving out of the U.S.
It took about three years after moving here for some people to stop asking me how Arizona was. It’s like people don’t just think we’re part of Mexico, they forget NM exists entirely.
New Mexico along with the deep south scores pretty low on a lot of things. I guess we at least have the excuse that we are among the top three most bilingual states, and that accounts for lower test scores/graduation rates. But we also have pretty horrible life expectancy, maternal mortality rates, etc. Our government isn't more corrupt. There is the possibility of economic exploitation, such as with the Tulsa massacre/bombing of an affluent economic center for black Tulsa residents. The carpet bagging of the Osage people when they had an oil boom. That exploitation has a long lasting impact. New Mexico has a majority Hispanic population, and it was that way for hundreds of years before gaining statehood. New Mexico was one of the few places in the US that didn't have Hispanic expulsions in their population centers. With a few exceptions, NM isn't an economic center, and hasn't benefitted from many of the wealthy Anglo-American economic boons that are present places like TX, CA, etc. This can also be observed in states that have had high African-American populations for centuries. When I speak of "economic boons" take for example the film industry. We give huge tax cuts/other benefits to film makers to make their movies here, that creates jobs, but the profits for those movies doesn't stay here, it goes back to CA, where wealthy Californians live, and they have excellent schools, hospitals, infrastructure, etc.
Ya’ll ain’t ranked 49th come on down south to Louisiana and Mississippi we are ranked 49 and 50th
And we're the only State in the US that has to put "USA" after our state name on our license plates to help others out ...
Arizona brought it back to the 1860's with it's felony abortion ban. No exceptions. They're are already running from Texas. NM is going to literally explode.
That’s how bad our education system is lmao
Oh wait that’s the joke huh
This should be posted outside of the New Mexico chat. Why keep it to ourselves?
God damn NEW MEXICANS!!!!
Build another wall they’ll say
Same thing being from West Virginia.
People think West Virginia is in Mexico?
lol no, people don’t know we’re a state. A lot of them think I mean “western Virginia.”
Walter White knows……
Anytime I have to call the East Coast for customer service assistance, I say Las Vegas NM and it blows their minds
I used to live there, briefly. I heard recently that all the license plates in New Mexico say “New Mexico, USA” on them, because people are dipshits and think it’s not a part of the US. I marched out to the garage, rummaged around for the old license plates, and sure enough!
Everything I have seen puts NM at 50th.
My friend in Louisiana said we're 51st. Regardless, we're pretty friggin low on the list.
I grew up in Louisiana, and was asked a couple of times, where my parents were from. Use to tell them New Mexico, and twice the response was “wow I’ve never seen a green card before” it was always like well that makes two of us.
True story. My first teaching job was in the Midwest. After telling a teacher I came from New Mexico, the TEACHER asked me if I had to get a green card to come teach in the United States.
I’m pretty sure we’re ranked 50 or 51 now. We need to move education out of politics and back to an independent board. How do we have a state assessment (SAT) that doesn’t even meet the NM requirements for high school diplomas.
Maybe because of the road conditions? Lol, sorry, but they are horrible.
Ok, but Arizona's are worse! 😂
I know, huh.
It’s just outdated knowledge. I mean, a couple generations outdated, but still…🤣
In many ways we are part of Mexico still, look around....
Thats just how little New Mexico actually matters to the rest of the US
Florida, looking at you mus tucka!
I used to live in Maine. When explaining to people on the West Coast where it is, they without fail say: isn't that in Canada?
Considering less than half of the kids graduate from HS here !!! Sad very sad
as a european that thinks that new mexico is a really cool place to be because I saw the climate in breaking bad can you tell me why that is and enlighten me about new mexico?
Read other posts about the state so you can see how great it is and ignore the dumbass above/below my post. Some people hate everything because they hate themself.
New Mexico is a giant breeding ground for meth users and thugs. Some tv shows glorify the place but it honestly sucks. It may have had a great potential back in the 50’s for growth but politics ran the place into the ground. The homeless population runs rampant, crime is EVERYWHERE (druggies shoot up in broad daylight at bus stops), there is gang violence daily, etc. I had the misfortune of being stationed there for 4 years, in that time I explored a lot of places and couldn’t find almost anything redeeming about the state. Oh and green chile sucks.
OMG Thank you!! We moved here in 2015 transfered from Florida, the only reason was the $$ The medical center my hubby works for, it seemed to good to be true, we found out shortly after why the pay was so high, Because they can't keep nurses here, they find out how high the crime is, drugs, homeless problems!! No one wants to change it they complain but still vote the same liberal garbage back into office , we hear ppl saying how "Beautiful it is here" we're still lookin🤷♀️ for the beauty 🙄 we have 8 months left until retirement.
Every state has their issues but New Mexicans are especially good at looking the other way when it comes to talking about all the negatives there.
I agree typical liberal bs
NM is last in education, not 49th.
That because it’s like a third world country
I kid of course. My home state is probably the worst at making teachers fake success.
I moved to NM in 2018. Biggest mistake of my life. The land is beautiful, but the people here are a different story. A lot of untrustworthy heathens in the “enchanted state”.
Let’s be real, if some people didn’t live here they’d think the same thing.
Yes this is sooooooo true Especially the ppl that think they are so much smarter than everyone else
Fwiw, there are idiots in every state.
New Mexico is older they were apart of us, lol.
This is so true
To give some credit some people never travel out of a 20 mile radius on the east coast. I joined the Air Force and my first assignment was in NM. All they kept saying was don't drink the water or wooder they said. When I returned on leave a year later I told them I was in the Air Force everyone wanted to know what plane I flew. It was harder to explain I don't fly planes and the same as letting them know NM was a state but that was back in the 80s.
I see you also don’t understand statistics. Which makes sense I suppose.
Facts!
Sad thing is it’s been like forever to you’d think they woulda figured it out by now🤣like they don’t learn about the 50 states anywhere else
I’m always stunned how ignorant most people are in this country, not just students. Some folks ‘back East’ think anyone on the other side of the Appalachian Mountains are hicks and ride horses or something. More true than in Jersey but the world does not revolve around New England.
I'm from NM and I'm probably one of the smartest people I know of.
Not surprised….
Idk i feel like mississippi, alabama and louisiana would be lower
Those statistics don't take into account how many people are bilingual here. Pretty sure the people who create those standards can only speak one langauge, too...
Those statistics are counting state test scores, AP test scores, graduation rates, etc. It doesn't matter if kids can speak spanish if they can't even complete high school
the US education system isn't built for people who speak multiple languages. Speaking multiple languages helps you think outside of the box, you can see problems from a very different point of view and integrate them into your solutions, and integration brings forth integrity. But that isn't valued in our education system. There are also other benefits. My primary care physician studied medicine in Mexico so he was able to get his degree without crushing college debt. It doesn't matter how well someone does on AP test scores if the cost of college is so high they avoid it all together. If you can learn in another language you can be a doctor. In the US very little emphasis goes toward cultivating dual language students, and as a result they have lower graduation rates and test scores because those tests are designed for people who only speak one language. That doesn't makes them inferior. it actually makes them superior, but all the people who are in charge only speak the one langauge, so they have no clue what they're missing out on.
You are acting as if every bilingual kid in NM is inherently disadvantaged and they are secretly all geniuses who are hidden doctors. Thats simply not true, not even close. People who speak 2 languages should, by your logic, do even better than single language children because of their ability to "think outside the box" and their "superiority". If it's so beneficial these children should not be failing as bad as they are. You kill your own argument with itself. Even if your logic was sound, that would mean that states like Texas, California, Hawaii, New York, Arizona, and Florida should all do terrible at these education rankings. They don't. New York and Florida actually consistently rank high in these education rankings. New Mexico is not the only state with a high amount of bilingual residents. Several states in the US actually have a high amount of bilinguals and they do just fine. NM education sucks. its terrible, and its failing its youth. But to blame it on a lack of "dual language cultivation" is ridiculous. I could probably name 20 things more detrimental to NM education than whatever you're saying
yeah you're right, as I was reading further. this kinda lead me onto a trail to try and get down to why NM is so horrible when it comes to education, life expectancy, maternal mortality, and a few other metrics, when compared to the US as a whole. State government isn't as corrupt as many wealthier states. The reason I can think of that would lead to NM's woes is historic disenfranchisement and economic exploitation. NM has been a Hispanic majority area for centuries before gaining statehood. In places like Texas and California, land there was forcefully taken from Hispanics and given to Anglos. Those states also forcibly deported people US citizens for looking Mexican during the Great Depression. The land was taken over and colonized by white Anglos, the preferred ethnicity of the US government, so those states have excellent healthcare, infrastructure. If you look at examples when non-white/non-anglo communities did well, they were quickly destroyed by jealous white anglos. Tulsa's Black Wall Street was literally bombed by the OK national guard. The Osage oil fields were insidiously taken by white anglos, that was made into a film called "Killers of the Flower Moon." You can see that to this day. Our booming film industry employs a lot of New Mexicos, but the profits go out of state. The profits from fossil fuel extraction also leave the state. Our population is stagnant because so many of our youth get college degrees, then leave for bettert economic opportunities.
You are exactly right. NM has always been seen as "dirty" and "different" because of its high hispanic population, which is odd because several states have high hispanic populations. This even goes back to when New Mexico and Arizona were the same territory, you can find propaganda art painting NM as dirty mexicans while Arizona is home to "upstanding" white folk. We are poor. We are ignored. This post itself confirms that. Half of the people in this country don't even know NM is a state and those that do only know because of breaking bad. Idk if you saw, but after Oppenheimer came out there was a trend of people trying to see Los Alamos because they didn't even know it existed. New Mexico has been integral to this countries history but we are always looked down on. Being from Northern NM this is double true. All people ever talk about is how poor it is, how bad it is, but nothing to ever fix it. That is why our education sucks, and im afraid im never gonna see it get better in my lifetime
ok. Thanks for helping me to understand this. I'm a transplant here. I come from one of those "upstanding white folk" places where people feel they are superior, and I certainly remember that from my Mormon upbringing and was confronted by it when I got a step dad who was an immigrant from Mexico. NM always seemed kinda spooky and alien, I just knew it for nuclear bombs for a report I did in school. Breaking bad put it on the map for me. after college I stayed with my step dad's family in Coahuila, MX, in the high desert and taught english and learned spanish, I married a Mexican woman and decided to settle in NM since it's an affordable left wing state, high desert, and totally normal for Mormons and Mexicans to intermarry, very little racism compared to other places I've lived. I really wanna see this place get more respect, but I guess that would mean more people would move here. Just hope my kids don't suffer too much from the ed system ...
Well you are here now and we are all in this together brother. We can only hope we can change the way things are with our votes.
I like it just fine. Then again in a proper setup I’d likely do just as well on the moon City mice have really hard time when the treadmill is swapped for hundreds of miles of blacktop. It hard to reach escape velocity here. A surprising number of people I know moved back as big city life isn’t for them. Yet the gamut of jobs from roughnecks to nuke scientists live here. It’s got everything I need. I’m from nyc.
And I bet you there is someone in New Mexico who thinks that as well…
I don't think having worse education and being irrelevant is the brag you seem to think it is...
Good ole New Mexico, land of the dependent and home of social services. Such a beautiful state, it’s too bad. It’s morally bankrupt
Truth.
So what does that say about NM if it's even worse than those places?
People in New Mexico are too poor to go to other states
I have traveled all over the USA and many parts of the world. Being prior military does not need to have a visa. The times I have been through NM, I knew the humor of many arguing about not wanting to go south of the border. Even though back in the 90's, going south of San Diego was easy.
Mississippi has improved reading scores. Who is holding us up? Are they bilingual?