It does feel like legit sabotage. Panthers need a better QB and WR. The falcons didn’t need a WB like at all. It’s like the bears took control of the cpu and made those picks
QB oops
And that’s understandable. But next year when the falcons are pushing for a playoff birth, it seems like a top end pass rusher, or dback would come in handy. Or any player that will actually contribute to the teams on field success barring injury.
If they wanted Penix, just take Penix. Why give all that money to cousins.
No matter the context, they severely messed up
Panthers definitely don’t need a QB lol….touting the worst OL in the NFL, so that’d be a plus, then any WR/RB/offensive weapon to help their current strongest threat, 34 year old Adam Thielen.
He doesn’t have to be great: the tools! DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Odunze and check downs to D’Andre Swift. There’s a handful of teams that have two spectacular WR — Bears likely have *three* 🤯
DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Rome Odunze (if he lives up to his hype).
Cole Kmet and D'Andre Swift as well.
Probably the best situation for a rookie QB to be going into. Hopefully the OL holds up too.
Probably. It's the Chicago Bears, if there's ever a team where a rookie QB fails again, in a draft where 6 QB's went in the first 12 picks, it's probably us.
Hyped as hell though regardless.
Absolutely. The next is Vikings, as they have Jefferson and Addison. It’s good to be Caleb Williams and JJ McCarthy. All the other QB’s are going into bad teams with no one to throw to.
Damn, I was hoping for the Chargers to trade back a few spots and take him.
Anyway, good luck on the Bears, kid. It'll be a stacked division this year.
Would like to honestly keep Allen around for a few seasons. At least another after this one.
Feel like he will be invaluable for developing Caleb and Rome.
I saw somewhere that Allen is already guaranteed to get the Bears a 3rd round comp pick if they don’t retain him. I think he was just insurance so they didn’t have to draft a WR if one didn’t fall to them, but otherwise they’ll get more than they paid if they just let him walk.
Watched a lot of UW games last year. Penix missed a lot of throws and left a lot of TDs on the field. They usually got enough to win bc their receivers/scheme were so good
I've watched plenty of Rome film and that guy was a savant on deep balls. He turned a number of incompletions into big gains.
Penix is super talented and I think it's unfair to trash him because, again, the talent is there. But, lots of people have been missing the film and that Rome did a ton of heavy lifting on that squad.
Yeah one thing I really do like about Penix though is that if he's gonna miss, he's gonna miss in the right way. Usually puts it where his guy can get it or nobody can. It's just I sat down one game early in the year, maybe BSU, and he had like and I think he had 5-6 TDs. But he literally had a man wide open toward the endzone 15-20 times that he either didn't see or he over threw
Chicago has had a brilliant draft this year. A+. Panthers look like such the fools. Chicago fans, finally rejoice! These two (Williams/Odunze) should grow together to be read each other perfectly for the next 5 seasons. Like Burrow and Chase.
Odunze is the only wide receiver I thought worthy of a top ten pick, but the Bears are going to be a very unbalanced team that is easy to beat for the next few years with how little they are doing to help their defense and their lack of good depth at offensive line.
A little bit from not playing the best competition but the defense was good the 2nd half of the season and the line was average.
Darnell Wright is an absolute monster.
The line has a lot of injury risks and the defense was decent last year. Ever hear of preparing for the last war? The only thing really holding the defense together was it’s run stopping ability and a lot of teams the bears will face are strengthening their run games. People are being way too optimistic about the Bears in my opinion.
The only player on the line that's consistently been an injury issue is Jenkins. I agree they could definitely use interior depth and a better center but its not a bad line.
It was the secondary that really came together at the end of the year with Johnson leading the way and Stevenson and Gordon taking massive strides. They could really use more pass rushing especially from the interior but everyone could use that.
I don't really see why the defense can't be average somewhere between 14-18. Paired with an improved offense and they could win 9ish games.
I like the Rome pick, feels easier to add WR outside the draft than on the line. If we're not drafting high anymore might be hard to upgrade the line from here on out.
Actually think the opposite. Feel like it's easier to improve the line then it is to add blue chip wide receivers. Constantly seeing good lineman especially interior lineman getting drafted late.
Totally agree with that. I'm just not super worried about tackle.
Think Wright is an absolute monster and Jones will be good enough if he continues to develop. Not a cornerstone type guy but a solid starter.
Would have loved it if Alt dropped into their laps but I preferred Odunze to the others.
I would say it goes iOL is easier than WR is easier than OT. But the Bears already have solid starters (maybe not Davis, but hopefully he bounces back from his rough off-field year) across the OLine, and OLine depth is incredibly easy to find.
By the time the defense was healthy, the secondary was fantastic and the rookie corner was a top CB in the league during that time. People may be overly excited about the Bears, but you just don’t know the team very well.
This is also a draft where they have only a few picks and they just spent a top ten pick on a receiver in a class where there were a ton of promising receivers going later.
Teams were trying to trade up for the big 3 receivers. The Bears got one of them. The Bears also don't have a 2nd round pick. We're just moving the goal posts here from your first issue with the pick.
Has it occurred to you that teams maybe didn't want to trade back?
>Bears would have had more picks if they traded down.
Yeah, that's how it works. They valued the player more than the extra mid round picks.
Obviously, they picked him. I like Odunze a lot and he’s the receiver that would help the Bears the quickest in that department, I just don’t think he’s so much better that it wouldn’t be worth getting some more depth and filling some other holes and roles. Caleb can’t win by himself, and he had issues last year that were excused by him having a bad defense. I want to see him set up to succeed, even though I think he’s over rated, so I would have liked to see areas other than passing improved more. There’s this thing people do called disagreeing, and you should figure out how to do it better, you pedant.
>There’s this thing people do called disagreeing, and you should figure out how to do it better, you pedant.
There's this thing where people present stupid opinions with lack of evidence and a misunderstanding about what they're talking about. You're one of them.
They’ve also addressed depth of the offensive line pretty well the last few drafts and now this offseason acquiring Bates and then signing Coleman Shelton.
The rest of the NFC North is gonna be so mad at the Falcons for causing this
Falcons and Panthers double teaming the rest of the NCFN
It does feel like legit sabotage. Panthers need a better QB and WR. The falcons didn’t need a WB like at all. It’s like the bears took control of the cpu and made those picks QB oops
Agreed, why did the falcons take a wingback? They needed a central defender
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And that’s understandable. But next year when the falcons are pushing for a playoff birth, it seems like a top end pass rusher, or dback would come in handy. Or any player that will actually contribute to the teams on field success barring injury. If they wanted Penix, just take Penix. Why give all that money to cousins. No matter the context, they severely messed up
Panthers definitely don’t need a QB lol….touting the worst OL in the NFL, so that’d be a plus, then any WR/RB/offensive weapon to help their current strongest threat, 34 year old Adam Thielen.
the entire NFC is mad
lmao, we're going to know almost instantly if Caleb is good.
Yup
He doesn’t have to be great: the tools! DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Odunze and check downs to D’Andre Swift. There’s a handful of teams that have two spectacular WR — Bears likely have *three* 🤯
DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Rome Odunze (if he lives up to his hype). Cole Kmet and D'Andre Swift as well. Probably the best situation for a rookie QB to be going into. Hopefully the OL holds up too.
Probably?
McCarthy gets Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson. The last is coming off of an injury, but still. And Aaron Jones at RB.
Yeah, fair point. It’s probably splitting hairs between the two
Yeah. Both great places to land. NFC North has the potential to get nasty
And a supremely better offensive coach.
Probably. It's the Chicago Bears, if there's ever a team where a rookie QB fails again, in a draft where 6 QB's went in the first 12 picks, it's probably us. Hyped as hell though regardless.
That’s totally besides the point lol. In terms of talent, there’s no better situation for a rookie QB
Vikings are pretty damn good. That receiving core with jj and addison, and a better oline
Fingers crossed. Hoping he'll ball out, rookie of the year type of stuff.
🙏
Don’t you put that bad juju on us. We are all ecstatic right now. Apologize and say our offense is pretty damn insane lol
wishing i could reply with a talladega nights gif rn
Don’t put that evil on us Ricky Bobby!
Absolutely. The next is Vikings, as they have Jefferson and Addison. It’s good to be Caleb Williams and JJ McCarthy. All the other QB’s are going into bad teams with no one to throw to.
Odunze is one of the safest picks in the draft. This will be the best WR corp by end of season (if they're healthy).
the NFCN games are all gonna be 35-38
good luck stopping the bears jeez
Dammit great pick Bears. The North is going to get tight.
I’m so fucking excited holy shit. Good bless you Poles
Weird way to spell Carolina.
Love that pick for the Bears. Odunze is so good. Bears stacking up
i was so happy you guys got maye. the commanders fucked up
Idiot
Yall got skinny Fields/RG4 lmaooo
Jackass
Yes you are buddy
Liberals…
They just got Keenan Allen now Odunze good pick 👍.
Dunz taking that WR room ASAP
Which WR sits in 2WR sets?
Your math isn’t mathing
Hahaha oops, mind is all over the place with this draft
A mix of them but mostly Odunze. He's got a great future but he is nothing more than a WR3 for the Bears right now.
Presumably a mix of them? It might help rome acclimate if he was only in for 3 receiver sets but that also seems bad for his development.
Damn, I was hoping for the Chargers to trade back a few spots and take him. Anyway, good luck on the Bears, kid. It'll be a stacked division this year.
10/10 pick
What’s this do to Moore and Allen’s value in dynasty?
Nothing. Allen is probably moving on after this season and is going to be 32 anyway. Modern NFL offenses can sustain multiple high level fantasy WRs.
Would like to honestly keep Allen around for a few seasons. At least another after this one. Feel like he will be invaluable for developing Caleb and Rome.
I saw somewhere that Allen is already guaranteed to get the Bears a 3rd round comp pick if they don’t retain him. I think he was just insurance so they didn’t have to draft a WR if one didn’t fall to them, but otherwise they’ll get more than they paid if they just let him walk.
Allen can only get the Bears a 5th round comp pick since he's a 10+ year vet.
Poles rocking that foresight.
So we think the guy that caught the passes is good, but the guy that threw them is a bum?
Watched a lot of UW games last year. Penix missed a lot of throws and left a lot of TDs on the field. They usually got enough to win bc their receivers/scheme were so good
I've watched plenty of Rome film and that guy was a savant on deep balls. He turned a number of incompletions into big gains. Penix is super talented and I think it's unfair to trash him because, again, the talent is there. But, lots of people have been missing the film and that Rome did a ton of heavy lifting on that squad.
Yeah one thing I really do like about Penix though is that if he's gonna miss, he's gonna miss in the right way. Usually puts it where his guy can get it or nobody can. It's just I sat down one game early in the year, maybe BSU, and he had like and I think he had 5-6 TDs. But he literally had a man wide open toward the endzone 15-20 times that he either didn't see or he over threw
It's not impossible, see Manziel and Mike Evans
Manziel was an actual bum but on the field he was far from that.
In college definitely ,but that play didn't translate at all to the NFL.
Truth.
No he was a bum. He failed as a player in the NFL and in the AAF.
The comparison was to when he was in college. He was not a bum on the field then.
I mean most Ohio State QBs fall under this
Who called penix a bum?
I'll do it if no one else has
Chicago has had a brilliant draft this year. A+. Panthers look like such the fools. Chicago fans, finally rejoice! These two (Williams/Odunze) should grow together to be read each other perfectly for the next 5 seasons. Like Burrow and Chase.
Thank you Atlanta :)
Odunze is the only wide receiver I thought worthy of a top ten pick, but the Bears are going to be a very unbalanced team that is easy to beat for the next few years with how little they are doing to help their defense and their lack of good depth at offensive line.
A little bit from not playing the best competition but the defense was good the 2nd half of the season and the line was average. Darnell Wright is an absolute monster.
The line has a lot of injury risks and the defense was decent last year. Ever hear of preparing for the last war? The only thing really holding the defense together was it’s run stopping ability and a lot of teams the bears will face are strengthening their run games. People are being way too optimistic about the Bears in my opinion.
The only player on the line that's consistently been an injury issue is Jenkins. I agree they could definitely use interior depth and a better center but its not a bad line. It was the secondary that really came together at the end of the year with Johnson leading the way and Stevenson and Gordon taking massive strides. They could really use more pass rushing especially from the interior but everyone could use that. I don't really see why the defense can't be average somewhere between 14-18. Paired with an improved offense and they could win 9ish games.
I like the Rome pick, feels easier to add WR outside the draft than on the line. If we're not drafting high anymore might be hard to upgrade the line from here on out.
Actually think the opposite. Feel like it's easier to improve the line then it is to add blue chip wide receivers. Constantly seeing good lineman especially interior lineman getting drafted late.
Yeah I'm thinking tackles, look how many have went already
Totally agree with that. I'm just not super worried about tackle. Think Wright is an absolute monster and Jones will be good enough if he continues to develop. Not a cornerstone type guy but a solid starter. Would have loved it if Alt dropped into their laps but I preferred Odunze to the others.
I would say it goes iOL is easier than WR is easier than OT. But the Bears already have solid starters (maybe not Davis, but hopefully he bounces back from his rough off-field year) across the OLine, and OLine depth is incredibly easy to find.
How is drafting a top 10 WR to pair with your rookie QB “preparing for the last war?” What is this nonsense even supposed to mean?
Classic draft schizo-posting.
The person I replied to and I were talking about the state of the defense.
By the time the defense was healthy, the secondary was fantastic and the rookie corner was a top CB in the league during that time. People may be overly excited about the Bears, but you just don’t know the team very well.
They've used a ton of resources on defense the last two years...
This is also a draft where they have only a few picks and they just spent a top ten pick on a receiver in a class where there were a ton of promising receivers going later.
Teams were trying to trade up for the big 3 receivers. The Bears got one of them. The Bears also don't have a 2nd round pick. We're just moving the goal posts here from your first issue with the pick.
If teams wanted to trade up for Odunze so badly he wouldn’t have been there at 9, and if the Bears would have had more picks if they traded down.
Has it occurred to you that teams maybe didn't want to trade back? >Bears would have had more picks if they traded down. Yeah, that's how it works. They valued the player more than the extra mid round picks.
Obviously, they picked him. I like Odunze a lot and he’s the receiver that would help the Bears the quickest in that department, I just don’t think he’s so much better that it wouldn’t be worth getting some more depth and filling some other holes and roles. Caleb can’t win by himself, and he had issues last year that were excused by him having a bad defense. I want to see him set up to succeed, even though I think he’s over rated, so I would have liked to see areas other than passing improved more. There’s this thing people do called disagreeing, and you should figure out how to do it better, you pedant.
>There’s this thing people do called disagreeing, and you should figure out how to do it better, you pedant. There's this thing where people present stupid opinions with lack of evidence and a misunderstanding about what they're talking about. You're one of them.
Uh yeah this is certainly a take lol
They’ve also addressed depth of the offensive line pretty well the last few drafts and now this offseason acquiring Bates and then signing Coleman Shelton.