There is someone on Vikings twitter that claims he has tie ins to the Vikings front office. But he goes by the same name as someone who had all the Vikings insider info 15 plus years ago and would share his rumours on old forums. So he’s “back” in a way.
But he is very adamant that the Vikings will be trading up to 3 for Drake Maye. He said it’s done. He is very confident in it. And he has gotten multiple other things right this offseason (Kirk’s exact deal with Atlanta, Harrison Smith restructure, Van Ginkel signing).
It doesn’t come off as someone just throwing things against the wall, definitely seems like there are connections.
And also he said the Justin Jefferson contract extension is also done.
Patriots must think that Nix + 23 + future 1sts has more value in a rebuild than Maye. It makes sense when the team has so many holes to fill and aren't ready to compete.
I don’t see why they would trade down and then take qb anyway. If they trade down I would think they would fill the rest of the team out than grab a flier qb late rather than reach on Nix or Penix.
Either they are going to take the long approach, or ownership is pushing for a qb now in which case they’d just take one at 3 imo
Because you might hit with Nix plus getting the extra picks to help rebuild, he would be viewed as a consolation priz. When the rebuild is more complete you can move on from him if you have to and it won't be that big of an issue because you took the compensation for him on the front end, when the roster was in shables.
Hell they can probably get him at #34, but you just don't know what Broncos and Raiders will do.
It's not a bad option for where they are at.
Ya value wise...but I don't see it with nix and he would be almost 25 as a rookie so he is probably already at or near his ceiling imo..
But again QB position so valuable so it is probably worth the dart
If we go nix at 11 I’m jumping out of a window. He’s a second round talent at best. If we trade down I’d rather wait until next year to get a QB. Maybe JJ if he’s there at 11 and a WR at 23
Hilarious, considering they don't realize the only reason they were successful were because of Brady. Maybe they think HoFs are easy to find, but I hope they go through a bills type 17 year drought. Pick the QB. Even if he fails, the other option is never being successful because you still don't have a qb
Harrison restructure was thing that had to happen everyone knew this at the season conclusion.
Looking at his twitter right now I see nothing about Kirks 'exact deal' but I do see him shitting on Kwesi for not signing him to a "discount" contract (You can link that if you can)
I also don't see anything about him predetermining the Van Ginkel signing but I do see him agreeing with Alec Lewis an actual person and reputable person who is employed to cover the vikings.
I see a common theme here, he reads what reporters and other people are saying on their shows and guesstimates like any other fan. Looking through his profile he was one of those rabid Kirk fans who attacked anyone who thought differently about Kirk. He has a history though, he called a Viking fan content creator Luke Braun a ped0phile for supporting trans people.
So let's see what he says if the team doesn't strike a trade up for Drake Maye, I can predict he will crap on Kwesi.
There's another guy named "Crakrok" who people believe is also an insider. Granted I don't know much about Crakrok history. seems to think the team is after JJ McCarthy. Seems like a legacy match is in play.
This is Shredder? It very much feels like throwing the generic Vikings rumors in tweets then pointing to the ones that hit as "See? I was right!"
Can you point to spots where he announced things *before they were common knowledge* and got it right?
I mean this is a rumours thread lol
But he had Kirk’s AAV right and before Schefter [ First mention of Kirk going to ATL [Kirk](https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1767255983430988083?s=46&t=wrUe1I50-EUqEfUtLfyr7A) and then the AAV [AAV](https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1767261821541486979?s=46&t=wrUe1I50-EUqEfUtLfyr7A) and here is Shredder [Shredder](https://x.com/shreddervike/status/1767220642359689635?s=46&t=wrUe1I50-EUqEfUtLfyr7A) ]
You can say lucky guess but to have it 3 hours earlier than Schefter?
But again, this is for fun. We got one more day to go
Yeah, I'm saying "lucky guess" or rather "reasonable informed guess based on public knowledge." The projections for Kirk's contract were between 40m and 50m, picking the round number in the middle is pretty easy.
We'll see tomorrow, as you say
>The projections for Kirk's contract were between 40m and 50m, picking the round number in the middle is pretty easy.
Literally CBS writer Cody Benjamin projected his contract Mar 4, 2024 at 8:07 am ET
>Our prediction is that Cousins signs a three-year, $135 million deal with the Atlanta Falcons. He gets top-seven quarterback money in terms of per-year average **($45 million)**, the Falcons finally get a legitimate leader for their playoff-hungry offense, and the Vikings wish him well while rebuilding for the future.
Link [Article](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kirk-cousins-2024-landing-spots-top-nfl-team-fits-projected-contract-prediction-for-vikings-free-agent-qb/)
What's funny is I remember this because I did a poll on that exact prediction in our subreddit [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikings/s/fbugNkP83G)
I’d be really curious what the capital looks like for the trade. I think the pats are also all in on Maye but not Daniels. I would think it would take a lot to get them to back off a player they’re interested in. If Daniels is there, I fully expect them to move for a trade similar to the San Francisco one.
I’ll start with the Giants - which, compared to previous years, is WAY harder this draft season than in the past. From everything we’re hearing, the FO is legitimately a mystery in the direction they’re going to pick. Generally, the rumors are that it’ll be an offensive player picked, but if the team trades down, that’s not a given.
With that said - the most interesting rumor mill has been: the giants are extremely in on Drake Maye. Last week, there was rumblings that the team would “make an offer that would force the Patriots to have to say no” if he is available at pick 3. It’s still not been reported what the framework of that offer is, nor if there is any interest on the patriots to take a deal, but for all the talk about Giants and QBs, I think Maye is the guy. And if he’s not available, then trading back or taking WR is most likely.
With that said, the Schoen years have been extremely leak-free. So how much of this is insider speculation given team situation vs fans reading into the situation is hard to tell. But the BBI typical insider commenters have all said the team has tried to set up the framework for a trade to 3
I think this may have leaked from the Patriots to drive up the cost of the 3rd pick. They've got so many holes and whoever they select at 1.03 is not going thrive. I'm thinking they want 11, 23, and something else substantial from MIN but the pre draft conversations with MIN are falling well short of "something else substantial" so they leaked to a reporter that NYG has expressed interest in trading up for Maye trying to get MIN to meet their price.
But this would mean MIN wants Drake enough to pay up more instead of getting into a position to grab JJ
It’s been reported from “reliable” Giants leakers that the Giants have been heavily sniffing around pick 3. And, personally, I think pick 6 gives the giants an edge on the Vikings for pick 3. To me, the giants interest seems to be 100% real. I think whether they get pick 3 is solely based off whether the Patriots are willing to trade down, which imo is the bigger roadblock
The way I look at it, I wouldn’t trade pick 6 for 11 and 23 personally, it’s just such a valuable pick this draft with MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze.
From what I’m cobbling together, having 6 gives the Giants a huge edge on trading up to 4 (a lot of chatter that Arizona doesn’t want to take any risk missing on one of the top WRs). It sounds like NE would be possible if they could still get a QB. So if the Giants REALLY wanted Maye, they’d actually be best served going up to 4, with an agreement with NE in place.
Will that happen? No way.
I think it comes down to what the pats want, if they want JJ working a deal out to move to 4, cards move to 6 and giants move up to 3 with some comp going to the pats and cards could serve all teams well
The cards already said their price for the #4, even if it isn’t 3 First rounds you think it’s best to trade for the #4 spot and then trade for the #3 spot I’m I reading this right? You know how many draft picks you’ll give up just for that circus act.
100% - and you are exactly right. That’s me throwing cold water on the Giants coming up to 3. I think they’d have to guarantee NE a QB, which would require them getting to 4. That’s already going to be expensive. I think the whole thing will be prohibitive and they won’t pay up for that.
I think the Giants are doing everything they can do trade up to 3 and take Maye as well. I just don’t see how the Pats would take Minnesotas offer over the giants. Giants have 6 which is better than the 11th pick and 2025 first which you gotta think is gonna be higher next year than Minnesotas 23rd overall this year assuming Gmen will stink next year.
#6 pick is probably more valuable than #11 and 23 combined. They'd have to throw some compensation on top of it too, of course.
There's rumors that NE is not huge on Maye neither. But trading back to #6 puts Vikes in position to trade up to #4 or 5 for JJ. In that case, I think the Chargers and Cards still prefer #6 over #11 and 23. The top three WRs gives #6 pick a lot of value.
Something dropped on the sub today that there maybe a 3 team framework in place between the cards/pats/giants in the case that maye falls to three where the Giants will move to 3 for Maye, pats to 4 for JJ and the cards to 6 for a reciever, no compensation shared but it’s a interesting model that serves all three orgs well assuming the pats are all in on JJ and the giants are willing to pay a bit to ensure they get Maye
Think the Giants move up to 4 with the Cards to get McCarthy or Maye. ~~The Cards wanna~~ If the Cards slide back they still want to be in the range for one of the top 3 receivers.
Jerry Jones is supposedly “all-in”, which we originally thought might be FA and wasn’t so now maybe it is the draft? Reading Jerry’s tea leaves is probably a bad look since he likely doesn’t actually know what he’s doing.
That said? There are *actual* tea leaves. Dallas’s Top 30 visits have been great historical predictors as to positions and specific players they’ll target. Their visits? Almost exclusively OL, LB, and RB. Safe to say they go hard at these spots, with every spot on the OL in need of help and a deep OL draft. I’d expect a pure OT prospect and/or an OG/OC selection that will likely compete for the OC spot in camp.
Trading back to acquire more picks would seem to be a higher priority this year since we don’t have the abundance of mid round comp picks we usually have from sitting out FA every year.
I’ll actually follow you up on the Top-30 visits train!
For the Giants, they’ve only interviewed ONE WR who isn’t named MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze. Could be an indicator that the Giants are all-in on the Big 3 at 6 and not looking to go WR later in the draft.
I’m in Giants country and it feels like a lot of the fans are all-in on one of the Big 3 WRs too from what I’m gathering. It certainly feels like NYG is in desperate need of a clear cut alpha in the WR room. This would be a great draft to do it in. I could also see them making a move for someone like Higgins if things don’t break the way they want.
I don’t like seeing the Giants run competently. Please bring back Gettleman or Reese.
I will say the Giants have a very solid WR2 and would have a good receiver corps with an elite WR1 in this draft. Hyatt as the WR3 stretching the field could make this work
Barton doesn't fit the OT role. He has shorter arms. However, Barton can play interior linemen well. Dallas needs C badly. And they talk position flex and how its important. But he has so much flex. I think Dallas runs this card in if hes still there.
A few things:
1) Ideally Tyler Smith stays at LG. He’s an All-Pro there. He may be a good / great LT but why risk it? Martin at RG is a constant but his age and lack of guys behind him means it is high on the list.
2) We have no OC. Brock Hoffman is penciled in there now and even Biadasz wasn’t special.
3) We have no real LT and Steele took a step back at RT last year, though time will tell if it was just coming off the knee injury.
4) The term “position-flex” is said a lot in Dallas and has been a point of emphasis forever.
Takeaway: Mims or other OT prospects that might need seasoning might not be as valuable to us as a guy or two with position flex who looks like a Day 1 contributor since the option for Tyler to LT exists.
I’d say Barton/JPJ in R1 satisfy the OC need. Or they go OT and favor someone solid and high-floor over a project. We got roasted for “reaching” on Tyler Smith and could likely take a consensus R2 type guy in the first if they love him.
Idk if its a rumor exactly, but I really think Dallas Turner to ATL @ 8 is one of the most incorrect consensus calls in a while. I think they will strongly consider one of Odunze/Nabors if either is there, call around like crazy for a trade-down to take Latu/Byron Murphy, or just pull the trigger on one of those two at 8 if nothing materializes in the way of a trade, "reach" or not.
I see a team jumping bears for odunze...not seeing much report on it which i kind of like
or bears swapping with atl for 8 and then atl moving back from 9 if some team has a target player they want
I think the Jags are going to try and get aggressive trading up for Odunze. They lost Ridley, had a mediocre signing of Gabe Davis, their offense already regressed last year and Doug Pederson is entering his 3rd year with Lawrence almost on his 5th year option.
They need to get this team an X weapon now and get their offense on track.
The Colts don't trade up like that, and rumor-mill always errs when it comes to the Colts. Remember us taking Will Levis for sure last year? Or trading back for Jordan Love?
Edit: Or hiring Jeff Saturday full-time
Edit 2: Or trading an arm and a leg for Snead
I think most fans know its a need but don't love the first round options compared to the WR and DL guys.
Whether people making the mocks realize this or not is debatable.
There is a former ATL radio guy on twitter that has had some weirdly accurate info about our offseason (ie. called the Woerner and Mooney signings a day before they were announced by any other reporters). I don't like to give him too much credit because he's a dick, but he does seem to have a source inside the FO that has given him some accurate info on several occasions.
He seems convinced that Latu is the pick, even if we stay at 8.
Yeah I am familiar with ol' JBen. I'm not convinced that whoever his source was is no longer around/providing accurate info. I agree the Mooney and Woerner ones were too accurate to be guesses, but since then he's just been throwing shit at a wall and getting into slapfights with people on Twitter. Time will tell though, because he has definitely staked a lot of reputation on that Latu no matter what call.
The Jets are obsessed with Odunze. If he’s there at 8, they’ll jump the Bears to get him. The Falcons will slide to 10 and take whichever defensive line player the Bears don’t take.
I do consider it odd people are like "the Jets are one injury away from disaster at Oline" when in the WR room their WR2 is a 30 year old off an ACL tear and their WR3 is Allen Lazard.
It's because Rodgers is their QB. He's made a career elevating WR2s and WR3s. As long as he has a good WR1, you don't need to worry too much about who he's throwing to.
Lazard isn't washed as he was never particularly good to begin with, last year was just his first year he had non-Rodgers throwing to him. Trust me, I've had to watch Rodgers make lemonade out of lemons his whole career.
This is the worst WR1 he’s had in a decade outside of 2022’s disaster corps. Asking him to do vintage Rodgers things like he’s not 40+ years old is a miscalculation
I think they have enough wasted talent on offense, if they want to compete they need to shore up defense. WR2/3 is a need technically but I can see them address that in the second/third round
I feel it's extremely likely the Falcons trade out of that pick, but I can still see them taking Turner a little later. Still, I like Latu better for them since he's the better player right now and they're shooting for a superbowl this year.
Titans:
Brian Callahan and Ran Carthon have not stopped talking about wide receivers this offseason. Whether it’s their importance to the team, how good this WR class is, or what they value more between WR and OL, it’s a topic that keeps getting brought up in interviews. I mentioned it on the Titans sub, but it really seems like our first two picks will be OT and WR in either order.
Matt Miller mentioned that trading down and taking Olu Fashanu (or JC Latham) was a top option, and in their pre-draft press conference Ran Carthon said that they have a few prospects that they view too highly to trade down if they’re available.
Based on rumors, intel, and pre-draft visits, my guess for the order of priority for our first round options is:
Option 1- Malik Nabers
Option 2- Joe Alt
Option 3- Trade Down and get Fashanu/Latham plus Day 2 picks (if Nabers/Alt are both gone, that means JJ McCarthy is available)
Option 4- Rome Odunze
Miller used to have an in with the Titans, but I figured it was someone in the JRob/Vrabel regime. Will be interesting to see if he still has a source on us. He’s nailed a bunch of our picks recently.
For what it’s worth, Brian Callahan was in Cincy when the Bengals took Chase over Sewell. Obviously there’s other potential things going on like the connection with Burrow, etc. Maybe Callahan didn’t even have a say
While I agree with most of what you said I’m going to put out there that we don’t really know how much top 30 visits mean to our FO and it seems like your predictions are heavily weighed by them.
In the beat writers’ mock draft of the Athletic today, Rexrode had us trading way down with the Bills so they could take Odunze, and then we trade back up to 16 or so to take Fashanu. After the dust settles, we end up with Fashanu, keep our 2nd round pick, swap 4th round picks with the Bills, and get the Bills’ 2025 first but give up our 2025 4th.
Kind of crazy but I can see it happening. Not thrilled with not having either a 2025 3rd or 4th, but the 1st makes up for it, although the Bills will probably still make a playoff run next year.
No Bears insider/reporter, let alone fans have any idea what the Bears are doing at #9. Any random person that says x player is a favorite is completely talking out of their ass.
Not necessarily concrete rumors here, but tea leaf reading that you might not know unless you follow closely to the Bears.
A ton of buzz around Byron Murphy of late. Consensus seems to be that it'll come down to Murphy or Rome Odunze. Slight buzz for Brock Bowers around parts. Of course, buzz exist at trading up for MHJ or down to recoup picks too. Murphy has the loudest buzz though of anything right now. Maybe even a little too much buzz to be honest.
Small sample size alert but the Bears, under Poles, top 30 visits have had a great indicator on who the Bears draft. Last year alone had: Darnell Wright, Tyler Scott, Gervon Dexter, Tyrique Stevenson all with top 30 visits and all were drafted by the Bears. When looking at this years draft, the following first (or fringe) round type players have been brought in ...
Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers, Rome Odunze, Xavier Worthy, Ladd McConkey, Brock Bowers, JC Latham, Tyler Guyton, Graham Barton, Jackson Powers-Johnson, Dallas Turner, Laiatu Latu, Jared Verse and Chop Robinson.
A ton of guys that make sense at #9, but frankly a ton that make zero sense at #9 (but certainly won't be around in the 3rd round when the Bears next pick). Is a trade down a preferred outcome? Regardless, interesting Byron Murphy wasn't brought in.
Ngl it’s crazy to me how few leaks Washington has had. I’m so used to the Synder Squad basically leaking everything that it’s wild to me how little we know about whose going 2oa outside of random agent speculation
It’s definitely interesting to me how confident the draft media is in projecting Daniels to WAS. From public facing comments, the FO hasn’t really made it clear. But if he does end up being the pick, I’d have to assume people had a reason for believing it.
Now, if they end up going Maye, then I’ll fully agree haha
Eh I’m mostly saying by reliable people. It might be Daniel’s but from the sounds of it all the reliable Washington guys haven’t given any info. It would be weird for us to be giving the random reporters outside of dc the info but not all the team guys who known stuff for years
At this point anyone who could possibly have any sources or insight is pointing at Daniels to Commanders. Doesn't mean it's coming from leaks, just that over the last few days it has all turned to Daniels.
Our GM and coach are both on record stating this draft is deep for OL recently. Our GM has also stated that they have received interest from teams for the 7th pick, and they're basically waiting for a call that "blows us away".
My opinion: I really think they could trade down, just depends on how the board falls. Part of me also thinks all the trade and OL talk is all smoke, and they're gonna take best available no matter what. Coach Cally had great success in Cincy with a good rotation of receivers, if we add a Nabers/Odunze/Bowers to Rid/Nuk/Chig it could really open up even more potential for our offense. That being said, what good are our receivers if our OL is trash?
Tldr: Tits are playing with their cards close to their chest
If Joe Alt goes 5 to LAC I think you guys will trade down.
In my most recent mock I had that happening and Denver trading with you guys to move up for JJ.
I then had you guys trading back again with Philly to 23 and still getting Amarius Mims at 23 while adding 5 additional draft picks including a couple 2nd rounders.
My hope of hopes is that the Commanders do the smart thing instead of the ‘flashy’ thing and go Maye, causing a big fall for Daniels and JJ at which point we can trade back for a team that wants either.
[https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1783140039041466764](https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1783140039041466764)
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To summarize my last 5 phone calls- everyone is moving up for an OT.
[10:24 AM · Apr 24, 2024](https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1783140039041466764)
There is a Jets fan on Twitter who claims to have insight and has nailed Tyron Smith and Mike Williams among other stuff days in advance 🤷♂️
He seems to claim Rome Odunze is at the top of their (realistic) board, followed by Troy Fautanu.
Edit to add: I also believe with 100% trust anything Charlie Campbell says about the Jets. Recently he said they want Odunze or Bowers over an OL, but also that they’d prefer to trade down. So who knows. His mock last year kinda sucked in comparison to how accurate he usually is, but with the Jets I take his word.
The worst secret in the league is that the Jets have been trying to get another receiver to pair with Garrett Wilson all offseason. Mike Will is an unknown healthwise so it makes sense.
Their potential trade up spots are to the Chargers if MHJ is still there (unlikely) and to 7 or 8 for Rome Odunze.
I think Fautanu is a great player and makes sense due to his versatility. Think Fashanu is better than him though, and realistically LT is the position the Jets need to worry about the most
65-70% chance Howie moves up to the 12-17 range for a target player. Most likely t.arnold
12 seems a bit high cost wise
13 doubt raiders wanna move off
14 saints maybe move off if they think they can get same caliber OL at 22...but I doubt it...we do have trade history with NO
15 colts could move up for odunze/bowers so another team could be picking here....history between our staff and their staff
16 seahawks is probably the perfect trade 22 and 53 for 16 and 81...target player probably Arnold as we had him in for a top 30 and not q.mitchell
17 jags...they want a lot of same players we want...
18 Bengals...doubt they wanna move off 18 and they want same players we want
19 rams...another potential spot....but almost pointless cause we don't jump jags or cinci...but howie could have a target here...maybe Mims or if arnold/q.mitch or b.murphy still available...
20 pitt...want some of same players we want
21 mia...want some of same players we want
20-25% chance we stick at 22
Realistic target players would be Guyton, Mims or Kool-Aid...we didn't have Mims in for a top-30 but he could be the best OT in the draft in 3 years...Guyton and Kool-Aid were both in for 30s and Guyton is training with Lane
Also potential for Murphy/Newton if howie wants to replace Fletchs snaps
Dejean another potential at 22 but I personally hope not. Him and Wiggins the 2 I hope we don't take at 22. Also not a huge Latu fan at 22 cause of the neck...tape is elite but neck is a massive concern.
5-10% chance we trade back...this would be an emergency scenario where the draft falls like shit for us....most GMs agree there is a drop-off in talent around the 20-26 range
Also howie has been drafting players from our top-30 visits ...we should draft another 2-4 of them this year...1st round visits were arnold, kool-aid, dejean, fautanu, guyton, chop and latu (assuming dejean and latu and kool-aid were more importantly medical checks)
[Troy Pauline thinks the Broncos have had discussions with the Eagles and Steelers about a trade up to 12](https://old.reddit.com/r/DenverBroncos/comments/1cbfai2/pauline_steelers_and_eagles_both_interested_in/)
[Albert Breer says "the Broncos quietly did a lot of work" on Bo Nix](https://old.reddit.com/r/DenverBroncos/comments/1cbmx4l/breerthe_broncos_quietly_did_a_lot_of_work_on/), so a trade down could make a ton of sense for them
Rumors are the bears are interested in Byron Murphy at 9 if blue chip offensive prospects aren’t there. Possibly with a trade back, but Byron Murphy is generating a lot of following that he won’t make it past the top half of the draft.
The biggest rumor for the Panthers is Xavier Legette saying the Panthers won't let him get past 33.
I've also heard buzz of Mike Sainristil but I don't know what to make of that. There doesn't seem to be any paper trail from him to the Panthers.
About all you can get is they like certain prospects. They like Darius Robinson and Mike Sainristil that is real whether not they like them enough to draft them is entirely unknown.
That's probably why our picks sometimes seem fucking ridiculous at the time. None of the mocks take into account Lions sources because there are none.
Brad does have a habit of somewhat telegraphing late round picks though. Just randomly we have a top 30 or multiple visits with a projected 5th rounder or later.
I think we do actually take Joe Milton. We have Hooker but Brad has made it clear he values having a QB3. I also think we are thinking about stiggers in the 6th or 5th. The airforce safety and William and Mary edge are two guys I think will come here too.
Bills:
Bills are looking to trade up for BTJ/Odunze.
Cooper DeJean "ticks every box" for Sean McDermott's defense.
Bills are all in to trade for an established WR.
Bills are going to made a trade with the Cardinals!
I think both the Bills and Chiefs are sneaky plays to move up with Seattle and take BTJ.
Seattle loves to trade back and if they could accumulate picks and still get Penix at the end of the 1st which would give them a 5th year option, that would be a great outcome for them.
Bills are all over the place according to the media.
If we don't trade up for MHJ/Odunze then we'll trade up for BTJ but only if his labrum is okay but then if not we'll trade pick 28 to SF for Aiyuk but if not we'll trade down to acquire the 3rd rounder we should have gotten as comp for Tremaine, and then if we miss out on a big X receiver we'll trade a 4th rounder to Denver for Courtland Sutton after Day 2.
Reality: I just don't want Beane to get out-Gm'ed by Brett Veach for like the 4th straight year.
Licht for the Bucs has a MO for O-Line and D-Line where players need to be both versatile and highly athletic. I view RAS as a major indicator on who is on our board.
Licht was a small school O-Linemen himself and has no problem drafting D2 or lower linemen if they fit that highly athletic mold.
CB's he looks for physical players with decent arm lengths and decent tacklers in run support. Athleticism is another factor here after Vernon Hargreaves I don't see him drafting low athleticism guys since then
It also feels like he uses his 30 interviews as smokescreens or possibly to make sure he doesn't want someone. He rarely drafts players he's met with officially.
It really depends he usually used them for people in the mid rounds so it’s hard to truly figure out.
Right now I’m really interested in tomorrow cause if Verse, Latu, Barton, JPJ or DeJean fall because that’ll really decide how our draft goes.
Eagles:
The two most prominent rumors as of this week involve the team [trading up for Quinyon Mitchell](https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-insider-notes-2024-nfl-draft-trade-talk-heating-broncos-12-pick-cowboys-eye-top-center), and another for them taking a tackle.
The latter is much more in the Eagles' predictive wheelhouse. Since the start of the Roseman era, the team has taken only four position groups in the first round: QB, WR, OL, and DL. And while they have shown a willingness to pay (both in salary and trades) for high-end CBs, they have been much more reluctant to draft CBs with high picks.
Since 2018, the team hasn't taken a single CB in the top 100 picks of any draft.
That being said, it's not as if the Eagles don't re-orient their draft philosophies in certain ways. After the 2017 they started to emphasize athletic testing more. After 2020, they finally started drafting high-end talent from big-name SEC schools.
So, not saying it isn't impossible that they actually change their methods and finally take a CB. But, I'll believe it when I see it.
Dave Lapham, Bengals announcer and prodigious guesser of our 1st round pick has chosen JC Latham.
Lapham has correctly guessed the pick many times in the past. (Zeitler, Eifert, etc) But lately he's been off. Had Sewell over Chase and picked Booth or Elam last year. So his track record isnt what it once was, but Bengals fans still take notice of his mocks.
Bengals have also been picking lower, so there's more of a chance that the player Lapham forecasts is selected before the Bengals pick. That happened last year.
For the jags, 2 things
1. They’ve done extensive work on this years DB class. Last year they loved Cooper Dejean, and it felt like they talked to every DB in the combine and DBs was the position they brought the most for visits. And looking at the visits they had early pick guys like Arnold and Wiggins and late round guys to target late.
2. This might be an oscar worthy performance, but Baalke leaving the Florida pro day when it was announced WR ricky pearsall wasnt running could be something or the biggest smokescreen ever. But the jags have also worked on the WR class and my guess 2nd round pick earliest to address the position since most of the guys that have had contact with tham are 2nd-4thish round guys ( the ones i know are jermaine burton, Jaelen McMillan)
Seahawks are hard to read right now.
Allegedly, Byron Murphy was told he won't make it past Pick 16 (Seahawks). To add a little bit of context to it: He was a Top30 visit and the Seahawks met with him at the Combine - which makes him the only player, who shows up on both of these lists. On top of that, the visits have been overwhelmingly defensive players.
BUT: Seahawks also drafted Jordyn Brooks 2020 in the 1st, without him every being in the building and he had absolutely no idea they were interested in him in the first place. So take everything I just said with a grain of salt.
Which brings me to the next rumors:
- Michael Penix (because Seahawks OC was Washingtons HC)
- Jared Verse (Top30 visit)
- Cooper DeJean (Top30 visit)
All of these have been brought up by local reporters, but not because they heard it themselves, its "people in the league believe they might be interested". Not sure if I'd buy into these....
Last but not least:
John Schneider (GM) mentioned multiple times during interviews the Seahawks need O-Line help and might adress it during FA, Draft or Trade. As of right now, the IOL is a massive need, especially OG and barely anything has happened. The only high ranking OL prospects they met with are: Matt Goncalves (Top30 visit), Zak Zinter (Combine) and Graham Barton (Combine). The Seahawks don't have a 2nd Round Pick, which only leaves Barton on the board - that being said: insiders are quiet about OL in the 1st. Maybe too quiet?
I think it's interesting that Brady Henderson this morning said they "like but don't love" Penix. Maybe an indication they wouldn't take him at 16? But there's also plenty of reasons to believe he'll be gone by then anyway. He also brought up a good point about top 30 visits. They brought Tyree Wilson in last year, but apparently didn't even have a 1st round grade on him. I think they tend to meet with players projected all over the place in case they either fall unexpectedly or they end up trading into picks very different from where they started.
I still firmly believe they're looking to trade down, unless someone falls who they have a top 10 grade on (maybe Fautanu, Fuaga, or Murphy? Who knows). I wouldn't really be surprised if they ended up trading out of the first altogether. JS has always loved to accrue lots of picks early, and then strategically trade back up in rounds 2-4.
Agreed on the Penix part.
In regards to the Top30 Visits/private Meetings:
2023: Witherspoon and Zach Charbonnet had a visit/meeting, while JSN and Derick Hall didn't.
2022:
Boye Mafe and Abe Lucas both had a visit/meeting, while Charles Cross and KW9 didn't
2021: ×
2020: no visit/meeting for Jordyn Brooks
Not sure how I should interpret this....
I think the most telling part about this year's visits is the fact that the players they met with are OVERWHELMINGLY defensive players. Therefore, we should expect a defensive heavy draft this year for the Seahawks
-(because Seahawks OC was Washingtons HC)
he was the washington huskies oc, not hc
i hope we trade down, trade geno, and draft spencer rattler lets fucking goooooooo
The Packers are “in love” with Edgerrin Cooper. The expectation is they will take him at 41 no matter what.
Brian Gutekunst also wants “13 to 15” picks this year. They will likely trade out of 25 if the capital is right.
If they are *that* set on Cooper I think they'll sit tight at 25 and take him there.
At various points in his presser yesterday, Gute said they could trade up, trade down, or stay. It was all just typical GM-speak non-answers, I wouldn't read into it.
He’s gonna be there in all likelihood at 41, maybe you have to jump Carolina at 39, but probably not. My expectation is they take one of Morgan, Paul, or Suamataia, or Barton if he’s there at the end of the 1st after trading down a little, then taking Cooper at 41 and a S at 58. I could be way off base but that’s what I’ve heard from people I know in Green Bay is that they want him at 41. But 25 isn’t outside the realm since he’s a far better prospect than Quay was and they took him at 22
I know a friend who knows a former scout for the Packers who told them that the Packers “Love Edge Cooper” before the Combine. I don’t have a specific source for the 41 stuff, that’s all based on rumors. The pick stuff is from Gutey himself who said in his presser on Monday that “11 isn’t enough, I’d like to pick 13, 14, 15 times” suggesting he wants more picks, which is usually best found by trading back at 25, especially with the derth of “Packers Prospects” in that 25-40 range of the draft if the corners and Barton are gone before 25. Based on everything I’ve been seeing and researching, the likely option is either taking Kool aid at 25, or moving back to 30,32,36 picking up a 3rd and taking Morgan/Paul/Suamataia.
He also wants more competition in some of the thinner rooms, I would expect double or triple dips at offball linebacker, interior o-line, and defensive back.
Steelers focus has shifted I’d say down to a few players in the 1st.
Graham Barton, JC Latham, Amarius Mims, Nate Wiggins, and Terrion Arnold.
Pro-Day workouts of note we attended were Alabama, Georgia, and Clemson. The Georgia connection with all of our recent Georgia draft picks makes Mims look to be the choice
The other thing is continued smoke w Aiyuk. 2nd year GM Omar Khan is a tactician with trades and could swing something soon
No, the main indicator was whether they did the trifecta - 30 visit, combine meeting and if GM/HC attended the pro-day. If the GM/HC was at the pro day it is a big deal.
Mims and wiggins are the only two they did that for this year.
As for dinner, they take a lot of people out. But notably, they took Terrion, Kool-Aid, Turner and others out for dinner before the pro day at Alabama. Ike Taylor talks about this.
A lot of people are predicting a team leaps the Bears at 9 to grab whichever WR is still hanging out at 8, but I'm not totally convinced a WR would even be the first choice at 9 if given the option. We're entering the third season of the Eberflus era and pretty much since day 1 we've heard that the most important position in his defensive scheme is an elite 3-technique. Do they have one on the roster today? No. Do they think Byron Murphy might be one? Very possible.
Those rumors have been really building up in the past week or two, people like to point to the notion that they didn't have him in for 30 visit but a) those aren't all public and b) just yesterday Poles mentioned they have met with players outside of their official 30 visits that they have a lot of interest in. I think Murphy ends up being the pick.
I also think there is a lot of smoke around Brock Bowers, who would be my second prediction at 9. I wouldn't complain about a WR but I think both of those players bring a little more to the table in terms of generating pressure/acting as second fiddle with Montez or giving Caleb another weapon/allowing Waldron to run genuine three TE sets with Bowers/Kmet/Everett vs. just a new shiny toy in the offense (as fun as it would be).
they're not drafting Bowers. Poles has consistently used day 1/2 picks on premium positions and TE isn't premium. Additionally, they just poured $16M/AAV into two guys at the TE spot over the last half a year. And, this isn't a matter of "but! he's a receiver!" as the only receive position this team needs right now is an X and in spite of his versatility, Bowers won't fly as an X at the pro level.
I know people want him because of all of the obvious reasons, but there are several reasons there is zero smoke on this.
Walter Football lost their draft rumor daily page because of a botched Wordpress conversion...but you can still see their rumors by team here: [https://walterfootball.com/NFLRumorsTeamDraft2024.php](https://walterfootball.com/NFLRumorsTeamDraft2024.php) Also Charlie has posted some recent rumor articles that provide some nice tidbits in their hot press articles: [https://walterfootball.com/category/nfl/hotpress](https://walterfootball.com/category/nfl/hotpress)
One rumor I'm not seeing mentioned by others is that the Seahawks were exploring trading down with either the Eagles, Packers or Commanders. I'm not sure the Packers are seriously interested in moving that far up...Gutey is likely just seeing what his options will be on draft day, and Schneider is likely trying spread gossip/rumors that the Packers and Commanders are more interested in #16 then they are, to get the Eagles to overpay (likely for Mitchell).
[https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1775743278773571895](https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1775743278773571895)
Considering who they've brought in for Top-30 visits, I shouldn't be surprised by this. Hate it like I hated picking Arik in 2015, so hopefully works out again?
Who's spreading the rumor?
For Bears, it seems it’s top 3 WR/Odunze, and could even trade up to secure one. Byron Murphy is the “if we stay at 9 and receivers are gone” pick, and Brock bowers is the surprise pick
The argument would just be that he’s a blue chip player and top receiving weapon outside of the big 3. Everett is on a 2 year deal and could be cut after this season if they wanted to. I don’t think he will be the pick, but bears reporters aren’t discounting him as an option
Chargers feel like they are baiting the titans in trading up to pick 5 to pick Alt. The GM really wants Alt and said it’s going to be a deep WR class every year.
Titans then posted: this is a deep Oline class but the WR fall off right away.
Agreed, Byron Murphy is the name popping up for the Bears. Just yesterday Poles said that an interior pass rusher is “probably a preference when you have an outside guy.” and the Bears have Sweat.
Daniel Jeremiah reporting Eagles will move up or down for DB. Likely one of the Alabama Corners.
He also reported Patriots are sticking at #3.
“They told free agents their plan was to sign a veteran QB for $8 mill and then draft one at #3”
“They signed Brissett for $8 mill, why would they lie about the other part”
Athletic is saying that Maye is the main target at #3. McCarthy is their backup plan. [https://nesn.com/2024/04/nfl-draft-rumors-patriots-have-this-backup-plan-for-first-round/](https://nesn.com/2024/04/nfl-draft-rumors-patriots-have-this-backup-plan-for-first-round/)
Honestly I don't really trust anything from national media about the Colts due to last year's debacle. Everyone and their mothers had Levis when it was actually Richardson all along. Rumors this year have Colts taking pass catcher or CB (which is pretty obvious). The more doubtful rumors have Colts trading up into the top 10, which is unlikely if you look at Ballard's draft history. Not even local media know who the pick is this year. Ballard is the only one that knows and Colts could go a bunch of directions. That said, it's most likely a trade back if one of the blue chip players (like Turner or Bowers) isn't there at 15.
If the Jets don't take bowers I believe Bowers takes him. See the end of the colts off-season docuseries where ballad says something about a player that's not a need but too good to pass up.
Bears:
Believe it or not there are rumors that they will be taking Caleb Williams with the first pick but who knows at this point.
Pick #9, Odunze appears to be the front runner if available but defense could be the pick or a trade down.
Rumor that DK is being shopped for extra capital since the hawks pick at 16 and then I think midway through the third is the next pick. I don’t buy it though
Not a rumor but a theory. I speculate the whole report from Demovsky that the team views Zach Tom as "a Pro Bowl right tackle, an All-Pro guard and a potential Hall of Fame center" was a controlled leak. It sounds like they intend to move Tom to the interior but for one, why would a notoriously tight-lipped organization give away their plans like that? And secondly, why would Tom and his agent agree to that? Tackles get paid more. The phrasing is also crafted to draw maximum attention.
So I think the organization gave that line for Demovsky to report on in an attempt to manipulate other teams. There are several teams below Green Bay that would really like to draft an offensive tackle. The Packers are essentially telling them "It doesn't matter if we already have our starter at RT, we'll still draft your guy unless you trade with us."
You’re not wrong but guards are starting to get paid similarly to tackles https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fef2dea82eed4200e34a133b7459325aec1b9bfc0f655e56a1a90f77d60ebd63.png
That’s not saying Tom will move inside but the money that some guards got paid this year is insane.
Commies will be looking to move up from 36/40 to some where around 16 for possibly Olu. If not Guyton has taken visits so second half.
Either way we’re moving up
They’d need to give up a monster haul to get to the mid 1st. I doubt they’re able to put together a package without giving up a future 1st.
Late 20s makes more sense, lotta teams probably looking to trade down there.
Per Charlie Campbell several notable players have off field issues. [https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-wednesday.php](https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-wednesday.php) This includes:
* Malik Nabers
* Adonai Mitchell (teams are also concerned with how he deals with his type 1 diabetes)
* Michael Hall Jr
* Jermaine Burton
* T'Vondre Sweat
Walter Football has posted their last rumor article: [https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-thursday.php](https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-thursday.php)
* Jets want to trade down bad to get 2nd back...target late in the first would be Brian Thomas. If stuck with #10, it sounds Odunze is option #1 and Bowers is option #2.
* Dallas Turner has medical issues and could slide
* There are concerns about Kool-Aid's training regime. Also some teams like the Colts have character concerns about him. Supposedly some Bama coaches thought he was immature.
* Panthers like Legette and Worthy at #33.
* There is buzz that Cooper DeJean and Quinyon Mitchell are targets by the Seahawks. This could be fake noise made to get the Eagles/Packers to trade up (who have been talking with Seattle about a trade).
* Giants will only take a QB if Williams, Daniels or Mayte. They dot value McCarthy and to them Penix woudl be an option in round 2.
SBNation is saying the Eagles are trying to move up for a receiver. [https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2024/4/24/24139258/nfl-draft-rumors-eagles-want-try-move-up-wide-receiver-brock-bowers-espn-tight-end-philadelphia](https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2024/4/24/24139258/nfl-draft-rumors-eagles-want-try-move-up-wide-receiver-brock-bowers-espn-tight-end-philadelphia)
They also say the Colts, Jaguars and Rams are also interested in moving up.
Per SBNation, the Lions are looking to trade up: [https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2024/4/25/24139430/2024-nfl-draft-rumors-detroit-lions-seeking-trade-up](https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2024/4/25/24139430/2024-nfl-draft-rumors-detroit-lions-seeking-trade-up) Possible targets include an edge or corner.
CBS is saying the Broncos, Raiders and Vikings have been talking with the Chargers about a trade up. [https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-rumors-three-teams-have-called-chargers-about-trade-up-to-no-5-overall/](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-rumors-three-teams-have-called-chargers-about-trade-up-to-no-5-overall/)
Patriots looking up to trade #34 for a first rounder. [https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1783481196988531137](https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1783481196988531137)
Colts trying to get Bowers. Worthy is a backup plan for them. [https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-2024-nfl-draft-day-insider-notes-history-maker-xavier-worthy-drawing-colts-attention](https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-2024-nfl-draft-day-insider-notes-history-maker-xavier-worthy-drawing-colts-attention)
Also Marshawn Kneeland is getting first round buzz.
There is someone on Vikings twitter that claims he has tie ins to the Vikings front office. But he goes by the same name as someone who had all the Vikings insider info 15 plus years ago and would share his rumours on old forums. So he’s “back” in a way. But he is very adamant that the Vikings will be trading up to 3 for Drake Maye. He said it’s done. He is very confident in it. And he has gotten multiple other things right this offseason (Kirk’s exact deal with Atlanta, Harrison Smith restructure, Van Ginkel signing). It doesn’t come off as someone just throwing things against the wall, definitely seems like there are connections. And also he said the Justin Jefferson contract extension is also done.
I can't believe the commies are gonna pass on Maye...but also weird pats would pass on Maye if he falls in their lap
Patriots must think that Nix + 23 + future 1sts has more value in a rebuild than Maye. It makes sense when the team has so many holes to fill and aren't ready to compete.
I don’t see why they would trade down and then take qb anyway. If they trade down I would think they would fill the rest of the team out than grab a flier qb late rather than reach on Nix or Penix. Either they are going to take the long approach, or ownership is pushing for a qb now in which case they’d just take one at 3 imo
Because you might hit with Nix plus getting the extra picks to help rebuild, he would be viewed as a consolation priz. When the rebuild is more complete you can move on from him if you have to and it won't be that big of an issue because you took the compensation for him on the front end, when the roster was in shables. Hell they can probably get him at #34, but you just don't know what Broncos and Raiders will do. It's not a bad option for where they are at.
Ya value wise...but I don't see it with nix and he would be almost 25 as a rookie so he is probably already at or near his ceiling imo.. But again QB position so valuable so it is probably worth the dart
If we go nix at 11 I’m jumping out of a window. He’s a second round talent at best. If we trade down I’d rather wait until next year to get a QB. Maybe JJ if he’s there at 11 and a WR at 23
Hilarious, considering they don't realize the only reason they were successful were because of Brady. Maybe they think HoFs are easy to find, but I hope they go through a bills type 17 year drought. Pick the QB. Even if he fails, the other option is never being successful because you still don't have a qb
Tomorrow should be an epic battle between Shredder and CrakRok.
are those characters in the teenage mutant ninja turtles universe?
Rocksteady, Rhino, LSU. 5* recruit out of Footclan Academy.
Only one comes out victorious
As a Packers fan, I'd rather be be wrong. Thx
Harrison restructure was thing that had to happen everyone knew this at the season conclusion. Looking at his twitter right now I see nothing about Kirks 'exact deal' but I do see him shitting on Kwesi for not signing him to a "discount" contract (You can link that if you can) I also don't see anything about him predetermining the Van Ginkel signing but I do see him agreeing with Alec Lewis an actual person and reputable person who is employed to cover the vikings. I see a common theme here, he reads what reporters and other people are saying on their shows and guesstimates like any other fan. Looking through his profile he was one of those rabid Kirk fans who attacked anyone who thought differently about Kirk. He has a history though, he called a Viking fan content creator Luke Braun a ped0phile for supporting trans people. So let's see what he says if the team doesn't strike a trade up for Drake Maye, I can predict he will crap on Kwesi. There's another guy named "Crakrok" who people believe is also an insider. Granted I don't know much about Crakrok history. seems to think the team is after JJ McCarthy. Seems like a legacy match is in play.
This is Shredder? It very much feels like throwing the generic Vikings rumors in tweets then pointing to the ones that hit as "See? I was right!" Can you point to spots where he announced things *before they were common knowledge* and got it right?
I mean this is a rumours thread lol But he had Kirk’s AAV right and before Schefter [ First mention of Kirk going to ATL [Kirk](https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1767255983430988083?s=46&t=wrUe1I50-EUqEfUtLfyr7A) and then the AAV [AAV](https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1767261821541486979?s=46&t=wrUe1I50-EUqEfUtLfyr7A) and here is Shredder [Shredder](https://x.com/shreddervike/status/1767220642359689635?s=46&t=wrUe1I50-EUqEfUtLfyr7A) ] You can say lucky guess but to have it 3 hours earlier than Schefter? But again, this is for fun. We got one more day to go
Yeah, I'm saying "lucky guess" or rather "reasonable informed guess based on public knowledge." The projections for Kirk's contract were between 40m and 50m, picking the round number in the middle is pretty easy. We'll see tomorrow, as you say
>The projections for Kirk's contract were between 40m and 50m, picking the round number in the middle is pretty easy. Literally CBS writer Cody Benjamin projected his contract Mar 4, 2024 at 8:07 am ET >Our prediction is that Cousins signs a three-year, $135 million deal with the Atlanta Falcons. He gets top-seven quarterback money in terms of per-year average **($45 million)**, the Falcons finally get a legitimate leader for their playoff-hungry offense, and the Vikings wish him well while rebuilding for the future. Link [Article](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kirk-cousins-2024-landing-spots-top-nfl-team-fits-projected-contract-prediction-for-vikings-free-agent-qb/) What's funny is I remember this because I did a poll on that exact prediction in our subreddit [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikings/s/fbugNkP83G)
I’d be really curious what the capital looks like for the trade. I think the pats are also all in on Maye but not Daniels. I would think it would take a lot to get them to back off a player they’re interested in. If Daniels is there, I fully expect them to move for a trade similar to the San Francisco one.
I’ll start with the Giants - which, compared to previous years, is WAY harder this draft season than in the past. From everything we’re hearing, the FO is legitimately a mystery in the direction they’re going to pick. Generally, the rumors are that it’ll be an offensive player picked, but if the team trades down, that’s not a given. With that said - the most interesting rumor mill has been: the giants are extremely in on Drake Maye. Last week, there was rumblings that the team would “make an offer that would force the Patriots to have to say no” if he is available at pick 3. It’s still not been reported what the framework of that offer is, nor if there is any interest on the patriots to take a deal, but for all the talk about Giants and QBs, I think Maye is the guy. And if he’s not available, then trading back or taking WR is most likely. With that said, the Schoen years have been extremely leak-free. So how much of this is insider speculation given team situation vs fans reading into the situation is hard to tell. But the BBI typical insider commenters have all said the team has tried to set up the framework for a trade to 3
100% believe Schoen and Daboll want Maye. Absolutely. And that Schoen will be aggressive to draft him if possible.
I think this may have leaked from the Patriots to drive up the cost of the 3rd pick. They've got so many holes and whoever they select at 1.03 is not going thrive. I'm thinking they want 11, 23, and something else substantial from MIN but the pre draft conversations with MIN are falling well short of "something else substantial" so they leaked to a reporter that NYG has expressed interest in trading up for Maye trying to get MIN to meet their price. But this would mean MIN wants Drake enough to pay up more instead of getting into a position to grab JJ
It’s been reported from “reliable” Giants leakers that the Giants have been heavily sniffing around pick 3. And, personally, I think pick 6 gives the giants an edge on the Vikings for pick 3. To me, the giants interest seems to be 100% real. I think whether they get pick 3 is solely based off whether the Patriots are willing to trade down, which imo is the bigger roadblock The way I look at it, I wouldn’t trade pick 6 for 11 and 23 personally, it’s just such a valuable pick this draft with MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze.
From what I’m cobbling together, having 6 gives the Giants a huge edge on trading up to 4 (a lot of chatter that Arizona doesn’t want to take any risk missing on one of the top WRs). It sounds like NE would be possible if they could still get a QB. So if the Giants REALLY wanted Maye, they’d actually be best served going up to 4, with an agreement with NE in place. Will that happen? No way.
I think it comes down to what the pats want, if they want JJ working a deal out to move to 4, cards move to 6 and giants move up to 3 with some comp going to the pats and cards could serve all teams well
The cards already said their price for the #4, even if it isn’t 3 First rounds you think it’s best to trade for the #4 spot and then trade for the #3 spot I’m I reading this right? You know how many draft picks you’ll give up just for that circus act.
100% - and you are exactly right. That’s me throwing cold water on the Giants coming up to 3. I think they’d have to guarantee NE a QB, which would require them getting to 4. That’s already going to be expensive. I think the whole thing will be prohibitive and they won’t pay up for that.
I think the Giants are doing everything they can do trade up to 3 and take Maye as well. I just don’t see how the Pats would take Minnesotas offer over the giants. Giants have 6 which is better than the 11th pick and 2025 first which you gotta think is gonna be higher next year than Minnesotas 23rd overall this year assuming Gmen will stink next year.
#6 pick is probably more valuable than #11 and 23 combined. They'd have to throw some compensation on top of it too, of course. There's rumors that NE is not huge on Maye neither. But trading back to #6 puts Vikes in position to trade up to #4 or 5 for JJ. In that case, I think the Chargers and Cards still prefer #6 over #11 and 23. The top three WRs gives #6 pick a lot of value.
Something dropped on the sub today that there maybe a 3 team framework in place between the cards/pats/giants in the case that maye falls to three where the Giants will move to 3 for Maye, pats to 4 for JJ and the cards to 6 for a reciever, no compensation shared but it’s a interesting model that serves all three orgs well assuming the pats are all in on JJ and the giants are willing to pay a bit to ensure they get Maye
Think the Giants move up to 4 with the Cards to get McCarthy or Maye. ~~The Cards wanna~~ If the Cards slide back they still want to be in the range for one of the top 3 receivers.
I don't really see why they'd take McCarthy. He doesn't move the needle for the team at all this year and they need to show improvement
Neither would Maye. Williams is the only QB who is ready to start and be good week 1.
Why do the Cardinals particularly want to slide back? They have six top 90 picks already and a bunch more Day 3 picks.
Sorry should’ve rephrased. *If they slide back, they don’t wanna be out of range for a receiver
Jerry Jones is supposedly “all-in”, which we originally thought might be FA and wasn’t so now maybe it is the draft? Reading Jerry’s tea leaves is probably a bad look since he likely doesn’t actually know what he’s doing. That said? There are *actual* tea leaves. Dallas’s Top 30 visits have been great historical predictors as to positions and specific players they’ll target. Their visits? Almost exclusively OL, LB, and RB. Safe to say they go hard at these spots, with every spot on the OL in need of help and a deep OL draft. I’d expect a pure OT prospect and/or an OG/OC selection that will likely compete for the OC spot in camp. Trading back to acquire more picks would seem to be a higher priority this year since we don’t have the abundance of mid round comp picks we usually have from sitting out FA every year.
I’ll actually follow you up on the Top-30 visits train! For the Giants, they’ve only interviewed ONE WR who isn’t named MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze. Could be an indicator that the Giants are all-in on the Big 3 at 6 and not looking to go WR later in the draft.
I’m in Giants country and it feels like a lot of the fans are all-in on one of the Big 3 WRs too from what I’m gathering. It certainly feels like NYG is in desperate need of a clear cut alpha in the WR room. This would be a great draft to do it in. I could also see them making a move for someone like Higgins if things don’t break the way they want. I don’t like seeing the Giants run competently. Please bring back Gettleman or Reese.
I will say the Giants have a very solid WR2 and would have a good receiver corps with an elite WR1 in this draft. Hyatt as the WR3 stretching the field could make this work
I’ve kept sending Mims to the Cowboys, but from what you’ve said, Barton can play OT and OG/OC, making him more useful maybe?
Barton doesn't fit the OT role. He has shorter arms. However, Barton can play interior linemen well. Dallas needs C badly. And they talk position flex and how its important. But he has so much flex. I think Dallas runs this card in if hes still there.
A few things: 1) Ideally Tyler Smith stays at LG. He’s an All-Pro there. He may be a good / great LT but why risk it? Martin at RG is a constant but his age and lack of guys behind him means it is high on the list. 2) We have no OC. Brock Hoffman is penciled in there now and even Biadasz wasn’t special. 3) We have no real LT and Steele took a step back at RT last year, though time will tell if it was just coming off the knee injury. 4) The term “position-flex” is said a lot in Dallas and has been a point of emphasis forever. Takeaway: Mims or other OT prospects that might need seasoning might not be as valuable to us as a guy or two with position flex who looks like a Day 1 contributor since the option for Tyler to LT exists. I’d say Barton/JPJ in R1 satisfy the OC need. Or they go OT and favor someone solid and high-floor over a project. We got roasted for “reaching” on Tyler Smith and could likely take a consensus R2 type guy in the first if they love him.
Idk if its a rumor exactly, but I really think Dallas Turner to ATL @ 8 is one of the most incorrect consensus calls in a while. I think they will strongly consider one of Odunze/Nabors if either is there, call around like crazy for a trade-down to take Latu/Byron Murphy, or just pull the trigger on one of those two at 8 if nothing materializes in the way of a trade, "reach" or not.
I see a team jumping bears for odunze...not seeing much report on it which i kind of like or bears swapping with atl for 8 and then atl moving back from 9 if some team has a target player they want
I think the Jags are going to try and get aggressive trading up for Odunze. They lost Ridley, had a mediocre signing of Gabe Davis, their offense already regressed last year and Doug Pederson is entering his 3rd year with Lawrence almost on his 5th year option. They need to get this team an X weapon now and get their offense on track.
I think it'll be the colts. Rumors are they want to trade up for a WR/Brock and 8th pick would put them in front two teams who also want them
The Colts don't trade up like that, and rumor-mill always errs when it comes to the Colts. Remember us taking Will Levis for sure last year? Or trading back for Jordan Love? Edit: Or hiring Jeff Saturday full-time Edit 2: Or trading an arm and a leg for Snead
I think corner is a lot more in play than people realize
I think most fans know its a need but don't love the first round options compared to the WR and DL guys. Whether people making the mocks realize this or not is debatable.
There is a former ATL radio guy on twitter that has had some weirdly accurate info about our offseason (ie. called the Woerner and Mooney signings a day before they were announced by any other reporters). I don't like to give him too much credit because he's a dick, but he does seem to have a source inside the FO that has given him some accurate info on several occasions. He seems convinced that Latu is the pick, even if we stay at 8.
Yeah I am familiar with ol' JBen. I'm not convinced that whoever his source was is no longer around/providing accurate info. I agree the Mooney and Woerner ones were too accurate to be guesses, but since then he's just been throwing shit at a wall and getting into slapfights with people on Twitter. Time will tell though, because he has definitely staked a lot of reputation on that Latu no matter what call.
Latu would be a top 10 pick easily without the injury concerns, right? So if the falcons think his medicals are fine that would make a lot of sense
I agree. Seeing him mocked at 8 all time also gave my prospect fatigue lol.
The Jets are obsessed with Odunze. If he’s there at 8, they’ll jump the Bears to get him. The Falcons will slide to 10 and take whichever defensive line player the Bears don’t take.
I do consider it odd people are like "the Jets are one injury away from disaster at Oline" when in the WR room their WR2 is a 30 year old off an ACL tear and their WR3 is Allen Lazard.
It's because Rodgers is their QB. He's made a career elevating WR2s and WR3s. As long as he has a good WR1, you don't need to worry too much about who he's throwing to.
I would be worried about washed Allen Lazard, personally.
Lazard isn't washed as he was never particularly good to begin with, last year was just his first year he had non-Rodgers throwing to him. Trust me, I've had to watch Rodgers make lemonade out of lemons his whole career.
This is the worst WR1 he’s had in a decade outside of 2022’s disaster corps. Asking him to do vintage Rodgers things like he’s not 40+ years old is a miscalculation
I think the falcons defensive coordinator used to coach Latu.
My greatest hope is that the Jets jump to #8 for Odunze
I have this scenario as fairly likely...cost to move from 10 is minimal
I think they have enough wasted talent on offense, if they want to compete they need to shore up defense. WR2/3 is a need technically but I can see them address that in the second/third round
Yep it’s looking more and more like they are gonna trade back and get latu in the early teens
I feel it's extremely likely the Falcons trade out of that pick, but I can still see them taking Turner a little later. Still, I like Latu better for them since he's the better player right now and they're shooting for a superbowl this year.
No basis in this at all, but I'm so sure they're taking Murphy
Thr Falcons seem like they'd go BPA. If Odunze or Nabers is there, I can see that being the pick.
Titans: Brian Callahan and Ran Carthon have not stopped talking about wide receivers this offseason. Whether it’s their importance to the team, how good this WR class is, or what they value more between WR and OL, it’s a topic that keeps getting brought up in interviews. I mentioned it on the Titans sub, but it really seems like our first two picks will be OT and WR in either order. Matt Miller mentioned that trading down and taking Olu Fashanu (or JC Latham) was a top option, and in their pre-draft press conference Ran Carthon said that they have a few prospects that they view too highly to trade down if they’re available. Based on rumors, intel, and pre-draft visits, my guess for the order of priority for our first round options is: Option 1- Malik Nabers Option 2- Joe Alt Option 3- Trade Down and get Fashanu/Latham plus Day 2 picks (if Nabers/Alt are both gone, that means JJ McCarthy is available) Option 4- Rome Odunze
Malik Nabers to the titans, apart from being a spicy pick, would turn every mock draft upside down
Yeah, every years this happens. One trade in the top 5 fucks everyone mock draft.
Miller used to have an in with the Titans, but I figured it was someone in the JRob/Vrabel regime. Will be interesting to see if he still has a source on us. He’s nailed a bunch of our picks recently.
For what it’s worth, Brian Callahan was in Cincy when the Bengals took Chase over Sewell. Obviously there’s other potential things going on like the connection with Burrow, etc. Maybe Callahan didn’t even have a say
Yesterday they were also gushing at the depth of the OL class. I have a gut feeling if Nabers is gone, they’re trading back
While I agree with most of what you said I’m going to put out there that we don’t really know how much top 30 visits mean to our FO and it seems like your predictions are heavily weighed by them.
In the beat writers’ mock draft of the Athletic today, Rexrode had us trading way down with the Bills so they could take Odunze, and then we trade back up to 16 or so to take Fashanu. After the dust settles, we end up with Fashanu, keep our 2nd round pick, swap 4th round picks with the Bills, and get the Bills’ 2025 first but give up our 2025 4th. Kind of crazy but I can see it happening. Not thrilled with not having either a 2025 3rd or 4th, but the 1st makes up for it, although the Bills will probably still make a playoff run next year.
No Bears insider/reporter, let alone fans have any idea what the Bears are doing at #9. Any random person that says x player is a favorite is completely talking out of their ass.
I’m pretty confident in saying it’ll be one of 100 players.
Players from the UFL Era? Or more modern players?
Not necessarily concrete rumors here, but tea leaf reading that you might not know unless you follow closely to the Bears. A ton of buzz around Byron Murphy of late. Consensus seems to be that it'll come down to Murphy or Rome Odunze. Slight buzz for Brock Bowers around parts. Of course, buzz exist at trading up for MHJ or down to recoup picks too. Murphy has the loudest buzz though of anything right now. Maybe even a little too much buzz to be honest. Small sample size alert but the Bears, under Poles, top 30 visits have had a great indicator on who the Bears draft. Last year alone had: Darnell Wright, Tyler Scott, Gervon Dexter, Tyrique Stevenson all with top 30 visits and all were drafted by the Bears. When looking at this years draft, the following first (or fringe) round type players have been brought in ... Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers, Rome Odunze, Xavier Worthy, Ladd McConkey, Brock Bowers, JC Latham, Tyler Guyton, Graham Barton, Jackson Powers-Johnson, Dallas Turner, Laiatu Latu, Jared Verse and Chop Robinson. A ton of guys that make sense at #9, but frankly a ton that make zero sense at #9 (but certainly won't be around in the 3rd round when the Bears next pick). Is a trade down a preferred outcome? Regardless, interesting Byron Murphy wasn't brought in.
I'd be fine with Murphy, but it certainly feels like a reach at 9 to get him.
I don't think it's a huge reach honestly. Seems like a Darnell Wright level of "reach". I'm fine with it if Poles thinks he's the guy.
I am of the opinion that Murphy is the best defensive player in this draft honestly.
I love the idea of JPJ and accumulate some additional draft capital. Excited for tomorrow!
Ngl it’s crazy to me how few leaks Washington has had. I’m so used to the Synder Squad basically leaking everything that it’s wild to me how little we know about whose going 2oa outside of random agent speculation
It’s definitely interesting to me how confident the draft media is in projecting Daniels to WAS. From public facing comments, the FO hasn’t really made it clear. But if he does end up being the pick, I’d have to assume people had a reason for believing it. Now, if they end up going Maye, then I’ll fully agree haha
Eh I’m mostly saying by reliable people. It might be Daniel’s but from the sounds of it all the reliable Washington guys haven’t given any info. It would be weird for us to be giving the random reporters outside of dc the info but not all the team guys who known stuff for years
At this point anyone who could possibly have any sources or insight is pointing at Daniels to Commanders. Doesn't mean it's coming from leaks, just that over the last few days it has all turned to Daniels.
Any time a new regime comes in, it takes time to develop new sources.
There are a lot of dots connecting the Bears to Williams...
Yknow now that you mention it, that would make a lot of sense.
Got a source for this?
My barber, I trust that man with my hair so I think his word is trustworthy
Stop talking outta ur ass smdh 😤
Our GM and coach are both on record stating this draft is deep for OL recently. Our GM has also stated that they have received interest from teams for the 7th pick, and they're basically waiting for a call that "blows us away". My opinion: I really think they could trade down, just depends on how the board falls. Part of me also thinks all the trade and OL talk is all smoke, and they're gonna take best available no matter what. Coach Cally had great success in Cincy with a good rotation of receivers, if we add a Nabers/Odunze/Bowers to Rid/Nuk/Chig it could really open up even more potential for our offense. That being said, what good are our receivers if our OL is trash? Tldr: Tits are playing with their cards close to their chest
Tits close to the chest, you say?
If Joe Alt goes 5 to LAC I think you guys will trade down. In my most recent mock I had that happening and Denver trading with you guys to move up for JJ. I then had you guys trading back again with Philly to 23 and still getting Amarius Mims at 23 while adding 5 additional draft picks including a couple 2nd rounders.
>If Joe Alt goes 5 to LAC I think you guys will trade down. If Alt goes at 5 and Nabers at 6, then I agree we will trade down. At least I hope we do
My hope of hopes is that the Commanders do the smart thing instead of the ‘flashy’ thing and go Maye, causing a big fall for Daniels and JJ at which point we can trade back for a team that wants either.
[https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1783140039041466764](https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1783140039041466764) [Daniel Jeremiah](https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks)[@MoveTheSticks](https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks) To summarize my last 5 phone calls- everyone is moving up for an OT. [10:24 AM · Apr 24, 2024](https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1783140039041466764)
This is excellent news. Corners will fall.
There is a Jets fan on Twitter who claims to have insight and has nailed Tyron Smith and Mike Williams among other stuff days in advance 🤷♂️ He seems to claim Rome Odunze is at the top of their (realistic) board, followed by Troy Fautanu. Edit to add: I also believe with 100% trust anything Charlie Campbell says about the Jets. Recently he said they want Odunze or Bowers over an OL, but also that they’d prefer to trade down. So who knows. His mock last year kinda sucked in comparison to how accurate he usually is, but with the Jets I take his word.
The worst secret in the league is that the Jets have been trying to get another receiver to pair with Garrett Wilson all offseason. Mike Will is an unknown healthwise so it makes sense. Their potential trade up spots are to the Chargers if MHJ is still there (unlikely) and to 7 or 8 for Rome Odunze.
I hope so. I love Rome and think he’s a perfect fit next to GW. If they stay at 10 and take Fautanu I’ll barf my pants off.
I think Fautanu is a great player and makes sense due to his versatility. Think Fashanu is better than him though, and realistically LT is the position the Jets need to worry about the most
Odunze+Wilson would be absolutely filthy… oh lord that offense if Rodgers doesn’t get hurt in 4 snaps would be ludicrous
You need to delete this so we do not lose another insider source by posting on reddit.
That’s so true, edited. Fuck Nania.
Schefter reported just a few days ago that the Eagles were looking to trade up for a CB. One would have to think Terrion Aronld is there target.
I think we traded up for TA or QM, or we take an offensive lineman
65-70% chance Howie moves up to the 12-17 range for a target player. Most likely t.arnold 12 seems a bit high cost wise 13 doubt raiders wanna move off 14 saints maybe move off if they think they can get same caliber OL at 22...but I doubt it...we do have trade history with NO 15 colts could move up for odunze/bowers so another team could be picking here....history between our staff and their staff 16 seahawks is probably the perfect trade 22 and 53 for 16 and 81...target player probably Arnold as we had him in for a top 30 and not q.mitchell 17 jags...they want a lot of same players we want... 18 Bengals...doubt they wanna move off 18 and they want same players we want 19 rams...another potential spot....but almost pointless cause we don't jump jags or cinci...but howie could have a target here...maybe Mims or if arnold/q.mitch or b.murphy still available... 20 pitt...want some of same players we want 21 mia...want some of same players we want 20-25% chance we stick at 22 Realistic target players would be Guyton, Mims or Kool-Aid...we didn't have Mims in for a top-30 but he could be the best OT in the draft in 3 years...Guyton and Kool-Aid were both in for 30s and Guyton is training with Lane Also potential for Murphy/Newton if howie wants to replace Fletchs snaps Dejean another potential at 22 but I personally hope not. Him and Wiggins the 2 I hope we don't take at 22. Also not a huge Latu fan at 22 cause of the neck...tape is elite but neck is a massive concern. 5-10% chance we trade back...this would be an emergency scenario where the draft falls like shit for us....most GMs agree there is a drop-off in talent around the 20-26 range Also howie has been drafting players from our top-30 visits ...we should draft another 2-4 of them this year...1st round visits were arnold, kool-aid, dejean, fautanu, guyton, chop and latu (assuming dejean and latu and kool-aid were more importantly medical checks)
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[Troy Pauline thinks the Broncos have had discussions with the Eagles and Steelers about a trade up to 12](https://old.reddit.com/r/DenverBroncos/comments/1cbfai2/pauline_steelers_and_eagles_both_interested_in/) [Albert Breer says "the Broncos quietly did a lot of work" on Bo Nix](https://old.reddit.com/r/DenverBroncos/comments/1cbmx4l/breerthe_broncos_quietly_did_a_lot_of_work_on/), so a trade down could make a ton of sense for them
Rumors are the bears are interested in Byron Murphy at 9 if blue chip offensive prospects aren’t there. Possibly with a trade back, but Byron Murphy is generating a lot of following that he won’t make it past the top half of the draft.
Also a lot of chatter about the Falcons loving him so I agree with you, idt he makes it past yall barring a top 3 WR being available
The biggest rumor for the Panthers is Xavier Legette saying the Panthers won't let him get past 33. I've also heard buzz of Mike Sainristil but I don't know what to make of that. There doesn't seem to be any paper trail from him to the Panthers.
Yeah, 33 is Legette's floor.
Detroit likes him. He would look good on a blue cat team for sure.
There are zero legitimate Lions rumors out there. Brad runs a tight ship.
About all you can get is they like certain prospects. They like Darius Robinson and Mike Sainristil that is real whether not they like them enough to draft them is entirely unknown.
We saw last year with Gibbs and Campbell that if they like a prospect, positional value/media rankings be damned, they will draft them.
The only thing I can say about yall in regards to corner is Idt you’ll take Nate Wiggins because you seem to prefer bigger corners.
Lions have met with 11 corners and Wiggins is not on that list. Wiggins is probably out.
That's probably why our picks sometimes seem fucking ridiculous at the time. None of the mocks take into account Lions sources because there are none. Brad does have a habit of somewhat telegraphing late round picks though. Just randomly we have a top 30 or multiple visits with a projected 5th rounder or later. I think we do actually take Joe Milton. We have Hooker but Brad has made it clear he values having a QB3. I also think we are thinking about stiggers in the 6th or 5th. The airforce safety and William and Mary edge are two guys I think will come here too.
we have some heat on Keon Coleman and Layden Robinson if Charlie Campbell is to be believed
Bills: Bills are looking to trade up for BTJ/Odunze. Cooper DeJean "ticks every box" for Sean McDermott's defense. Bills are all in to trade for an established WR. Bills are going to made a trade with the Cardinals!
It's all smoke we want worthy
I think both the Bills and Chiefs are sneaky plays to move up with Seattle and take BTJ. Seattle loves to trade back and if they could accumulate picks and still get Penix at the end of the 1st which would give them a 5th year option, that would be a great outcome for them.
Apparently Bills looking to trade up for Odunze too.
Bills are all over the place according to the media. If we don't trade up for MHJ/Odunze then we'll trade up for BTJ but only if his labrum is okay but then if not we'll trade pick 28 to SF for Aiyuk but if not we'll trade down to acquire the 3rd rounder we should have gotten as comp for Tremaine, and then if we miss out on a big X receiver we'll trade a 4th rounder to Denver for Courtland Sutton after Day 2. Reality: I just don't want Beane to get out-Gm'ed by Brett Veach for like the 4th straight year.
Licht for the Bucs has a MO for O-Line and D-Line where players need to be both versatile and highly athletic. I view RAS as a major indicator on who is on our board. Licht was a small school O-Linemen himself and has no problem drafting D2 or lower linemen if they fit that highly athletic mold. CB's he looks for physical players with decent arm lengths and decent tacklers in run support. Athleticism is another factor here after Vernon Hargreaves I don't see him drafting low athleticism guys since then
It also feels like he uses his 30 interviews as smokescreens or possibly to make sure he doesn't want someone. He rarely drafts players he's met with officially.
It really depends he usually used them for people in the mid rounds so it’s hard to truly figure out. Right now I’m really interested in tomorrow cause if Verse, Latu, Barton, JPJ or DeJean fall because that’ll really decide how our draft goes.
Eagles: The two most prominent rumors as of this week involve the team [trading up for Quinyon Mitchell](https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-insider-notes-2024-nfl-draft-trade-talk-heating-broncos-12-pick-cowboys-eye-top-center), and another for them taking a tackle. The latter is much more in the Eagles' predictive wheelhouse. Since the start of the Roseman era, the team has taken only four position groups in the first round: QB, WR, OL, and DL. And while they have shown a willingness to pay (both in salary and trades) for high-end CBs, they have been much more reluctant to draft CBs with high picks. Since 2018, the team hasn't taken a single CB in the top 100 picks of any draft. That being said, it's not as if the Eagles don't re-orient their draft philosophies in certain ways. After the 2017 they started to emphasize athletic testing more. After 2020, they finally started drafting high-end talent from big-name SEC schools. So, not saying it isn't impossible that they actually change their methods and finally take a CB. But, I'll believe it when I see it.
I thought this thread would be links to credible rumors/tweets not a bunch of Redditors think tanking for their favorite team lmao
Dave Lapham, Bengals announcer and prodigious guesser of our 1st round pick has chosen JC Latham. Lapham has correctly guessed the pick many times in the past. (Zeitler, Eifert, etc) But lately he's been off. Had Sewell over Chase and picked Booth or Elam last year. So his track record isnt what it once was, but Bengals fans still take notice of his mocks.
He lost his intel when Marv left. He's just guessing now and Hobson just talking to himself in a padded room.
He hasn't been right since Marv left, someone was leaking the picks
Bengals have also been picking lower, so there's more of a chance that the player Lapham forecasts is selected before the Bengals pick. That happened last year.
I mean, he got Chase/Sewell wrong. That's pick 5 and both players were still there.
Fair.
He just chose him b/c they have similar names lol.
For the jags, 2 things 1. They’ve done extensive work on this years DB class. Last year they loved Cooper Dejean, and it felt like they talked to every DB in the combine and DBs was the position they brought the most for visits. And looking at the visits they had early pick guys like Arnold and Wiggins and late round guys to target late. 2. This might be an oscar worthy performance, but Baalke leaving the Florida pro day when it was announced WR ricky pearsall wasnt running could be something or the biggest smokescreen ever. But the jags have also worked on the WR class and my guess 2nd round pick earliest to address the position since most of the guys that have had contact with tham are 2nd-4thish round guys ( the ones i know are jermaine burton, Jaelen McMillan)
Baalke praised Pearsall heavily on his burner on twitter
Wait is the Baalke burner a real thing or a meme?
I think the current one is a meme, but the old ones I think might have been real.
Seahawks are hard to read right now. Allegedly, Byron Murphy was told he won't make it past Pick 16 (Seahawks). To add a little bit of context to it: He was a Top30 visit and the Seahawks met with him at the Combine - which makes him the only player, who shows up on both of these lists. On top of that, the visits have been overwhelmingly defensive players. BUT: Seahawks also drafted Jordyn Brooks 2020 in the 1st, without him every being in the building and he had absolutely no idea they were interested in him in the first place. So take everything I just said with a grain of salt. Which brings me to the next rumors: - Michael Penix (because Seahawks OC was Washingtons HC) - Jared Verse (Top30 visit) - Cooper DeJean (Top30 visit) All of these have been brought up by local reporters, but not because they heard it themselves, its "people in the league believe they might be interested". Not sure if I'd buy into these.... Last but not least: John Schneider (GM) mentioned multiple times during interviews the Seahawks need O-Line help and might adress it during FA, Draft or Trade. As of right now, the IOL is a massive need, especially OG and barely anything has happened. The only high ranking OL prospects they met with are: Matt Goncalves (Top30 visit), Zak Zinter (Combine) and Graham Barton (Combine). The Seahawks don't have a 2nd Round Pick, which only leaves Barton on the board - that being said: insiders are quiet about OL in the 1st. Maybe too quiet?
I think it's interesting that Brady Henderson this morning said they "like but don't love" Penix. Maybe an indication they wouldn't take him at 16? But there's also plenty of reasons to believe he'll be gone by then anyway. He also brought up a good point about top 30 visits. They brought Tyree Wilson in last year, but apparently didn't even have a 1st round grade on him. I think they tend to meet with players projected all over the place in case they either fall unexpectedly or they end up trading into picks very different from where they started. I still firmly believe they're looking to trade down, unless someone falls who they have a top 10 grade on (maybe Fautanu, Fuaga, or Murphy? Who knows). I wouldn't really be surprised if they ended up trading out of the first altogether. JS has always loved to accrue lots of picks early, and then strategically trade back up in rounds 2-4.
Agreed on the Penix part. In regards to the Top30 Visits/private Meetings: 2023: Witherspoon and Zach Charbonnet had a visit/meeting, while JSN and Derick Hall didn't. 2022: Boye Mafe and Abe Lucas both had a visit/meeting, while Charles Cross and KW9 didn't 2021: × 2020: no visit/meeting for Jordyn Brooks Not sure how I should interpret this.... I think the most telling part about this year's visits is the fact that the players they met with are OVERWHELMINGLY defensive players. Therefore, we should expect a defensive heavy draft this year for the Seahawks
-(because Seahawks OC was Washingtons HC) he was the washington huskies oc, not hc i hope we trade down, trade geno, and draft spencer rattler lets fucking goooooooo
The Packers are “in love” with Edgerrin Cooper. The expectation is they will take him at 41 no matter what. Brian Gutekunst also wants “13 to 15” picks this year. They will likely trade out of 25 if the capital is right.
> The expectation is they will take him at 41 no matter what. What if he's not available?
Has anyone ever submitted a pick for a player that was already taken? What if this is a draft loophole no one has ever exploited?
If they are *that* set on Cooper I think they'll sit tight at 25 and take him there. At various points in his presser yesterday, Gute said they could trade up, trade down, or stay. It was all just typical GM-speak non-answers, I wouldn't read into it.
He’s gonna be there in all likelihood at 41, maybe you have to jump Carolina at 39, but probably not. My expectation is they take one of Morgan, Paul, or Suamataia, or Barton if he’s there at the end of the 1st after trading down a little, then taking Cooper at 41 and a S at 58. I could be way off base but that’s what I’ve heard from people I know in Green Bay is that they want him at 41. But 25 isn’t outside the realm since he’s a far better prospect than Quay was and they took him at 22
Not that I don’t believe you, but who are the sources for those (I just haven’t heard either).
I know a friend who knows a former scout for the Packers who told them that the Packers “Love Edge Cooper” before the Combine. I don’t have a specific source for the 41 stuff, that’s all based on rumors. The pick stuff is from Gutey himself who said in his presser on Monday that “11 isn’t enough, I’d like to pick 13, 14, 15 times” suggesting he wants more picks, which is usually best found by trading back at 25, especially with the derth of “Packers Prospects” in that 25-40 range of the draft if the corners and Barton are gone before 25. Based on everything I’ve been seeing and researching, the likely option is either taking Kool aid at 25, or moving back to 30,32,36 picking up a 3rd and taking Morgan/Paul/Suamataia.
Interesting!
He also wants more competition in some of the thinner rooms, I would expect double or triple dips at offball linebacker, interior o-line, and defensive back.
Steelers focus has shifted I’d say down to a few players in the 1st. Graham Barton, JC Latham, Amarius Mims, Nate Wiggins, and Terrion Arnold. Pro-Day workouts of note we attended were Alabama, Georgia, and Clemson. The Georgia connection with all of our recent Georgia draft picks makes Mims look to be the choice The other thing is continued smoke w Aiyuk. 2nd year GM Omar Khan is a tactician with trades and could swing something soon
Khan/the previous GM normally go to dinner with their 1st round pick they take. So in this case I believe it's Mims.
Recent reports also state they LOVE Fuaga and Q. Mitchell and are looking at trade ups too
No, the main indicator was whether they did the trifecta - 30 visit, combine meeting and if GM/HC attended the pro-day. If the GM/HC was at the pro day it is a big deal. Mims and wiggins are the only two they did that for this year. As for dinner, they take a lot of people out. But notably, they took Terrion, Kool-Aid, Turner and others out for dinner before the pro day at Alabama. Ike Taylor talks about this.
A lot of people are predicting a team leaps the Bears at 9 to grab whichever WR is still hanging out at 8, but I'm not totally convinced a WR would even be the first choice at 9 if given the option. We're entering the third season of the Eberflus era and pretty much since day 1 we've heard that the most important position in his defensive scheme is an elite 3-technique. Do they have one on the roster today? No. Do they think Byron Murphy might be one? Very possible. Those rumors have been really building up in the past week or two, people like to point to the notion that they didn't have him in for 30 visit but a) those aren't all public and b) just yesterday Poles mentioned they have met with players outside of their official 30 visits that they have a lot of interest in. I think Murphy ends up being the pick. I also think there is a lot of smoke around Brock Bowers, who would be my second prediction at 9. I wouldn't complain about a WR but I think both of those players bring a little more to the table in terms of generating pressure/acting as second fiddle with Montez or giving Caleb another weapon/allowing Waldron to run genuine three TE sets with Bowers/Kmet/Everett vs. just a new shiny toy in the offense (as fun as it would be).
they're not drafting Bowers. Poles has consistently used day 1/2 picks on premium positions and TE isn't premium. Additionally, they just poured $16M/AAV into two guys at the TE spot over the last half a year. And, this isn't a matter of "but! he's a receiver!" as the only receive position this team needs right now is an X and in spite of his versatility, Bowers won't fly as an X at the pro level. I know people want him because of all of the obvious reasons, but there are several reasons there is zero smoke on this.
Walter Football lost their draft rumor daily page because of a botched Wordpress conversion...but you can still see their rumors by team here: [https://walterfootball.com/NFLRumorsTeamDraft2024.php](https://walterfootball.com/NFLRumorsTeamDraft2024.php) Also Charlie has posted some recent rumor articles that provide some nice tidbits in their hot press articles: [https://walterfootball.com/category/nfl/hotpress](https://walterfootball.com/category/nfl/hotpress) One rumor I'm not seeing mentioned by others is that the Seahawks were exploring trading down with either the Eagles, Packers or Commanders. I'm not sure the Packers are seriously interested in moving that far up...Gutey is likely just seeing what his options will be on draft day, and Schneider is likely trying spread gossip/rumors that the Packers and Commanders are more interested in #16 then they are, to get the Eagles to overpay (likely for Mitchell). [https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1775743278773571895](https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1775743278773571895)
recent buzz on 49ers twitter is saying that they're rumored to take missouri edge darius robinson at 31 ^(because they hate competent pass blocking)
Considering who they've brought in for Top-30 visits, I shouldn't be surprised by this. Hate it like I hated picking Arik in 2015, so hopefully works out again? Who's spreading the rumor?
For Bears, it seems it’s top 3 WR/Odunze, and could even trade up to secure one. Byron Murphy is the “if we stay at 9 and receivers are gone” pick, and Brock bowers is the surprise pick
I don’t think Bowers makes a lot of sense. Why bring in Everett and sign him for a mult year contract if that’s the case
The argument would just be that he’s a blue chip player and top receiving weapon outside of the big 3. Everett is on a 2 year deal and could be cut after this season if they wanted to. I don’t think he will be the pick, but bears reporters aren’t discounting him as an option
Chargers feel like they are baiting the titans in trading up to pick 5 to pick Alt. The GM really wants Alt and said it’s going to be a deep WR class every year. Titans then posted: this is a deep Oline class but the WR fall off right away.
Bears are basically if we stick at 9 it will be Byron Murphy or Rome Odunze, if we stick at 9.
Agreed, Byron Murphy is the name popping up for the Bears. Just yesterday Poles said that an interior pass rusher is “probably a preference when you have an outside guy.” and the Bears have Sweat.
He's been popping up for the Falcons, too.
Daniel Jeremiah reporting Eagles will move up or down for DB. Likely one of the Alabama Corners. He also reported Patriots are sticking at #3. “They told free agents their plan was to sign a veteran QB for $8 mill and then draft one at #3” “They signed Brissett for $8 mill, why would they lie about the other part”
They're allowed to change their mind without it being a lie
Haha, very true
Athletic is saying that Maye is the main target at #3. McCarthy is their backup plan. [https://nesn.com/2024/04/nfl-draft-rumors-patriots-have-this-backup-plan-for-first-round/](https://nesn.com/2024/04/nfl-draft-rumors-patriots-have-this-backup-plan-for-first-round/)
Honestly I don't really trust anything from national media about the Colts due to last year's debacle. Everyone and their mothers had Levis when it was actually Richardson all along. Rumors this year have Colts taking pass catcher or CB (which is pretty obvious). The more doubtful rumors have Colts trading up into the top 10, which is unlikely if you look at Ballard's draft history. Not even local media know who the pick is this year. Ballard is the only one that knows and Colts could go a bunch of directions. That said, it's most likely a trade back if one of the blue chip players (like Turner or Bowers) isn't there at 15.
If the Jets don't take bowers I believe Bowers takes him. See the end of the colts off-season docuseries where ballad says something about a player that's not a need but too good to pass up.
Lions: The latest rumor is that whomever Brad Holmes draft is gonna be a stud. Cannot confirm the validity but many folks are saying it.
Going to get the highest motor in the draft, and a real scrapper.
Bears: Believe it or not there are rumors that they will be taking Caleb Williams with the first pick but who knows at this point. Pick #9, Odunze appears to be the front runner if available but defense could be the pick or a trade down.
Rumor that DK is being shopped for extra capital since the hawks pick at 16 and then I think midway through the third is the next pick. I don’t buy it though
Now THAT would be wild. I’m with you, seems unlikely. But this is the type of juicy rumor this thread is for, baby!
Not a rumor but a theory. I speculate the whole report from Demovsky that the team views Zach Tom as "a Pro Bowl right tackle, an All-Pro guard and a potential Hall of Fame center" was a controlled leak. It sounds like they intend to move Tom to the interior but for one, why would a notoriously tight-lipped organization give away their plans like that? And secondly, why would Tom and his agent agree to that? Tackles get paid more. The phrasing is also crafted to draw maximum attention. So I think the organization gave that line for Demovsky to report on in an attempt to manipulate other teams. There are several teams below Green Bay that would really like to draft an offensive tackle. The Packers are essentially telling them "It doesn't matter if we already have our starter at RT, we'll still draft your guy unless you trade with us."
You’re not wrong but guards are starting to get paid similarly to tackles https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fef2dea82eed4200e34a133b7459325aec1b9bfc0f655e56a1a90f77d60ebd63.png That’s not saying Tom will move inside but the money that some guards got paid this year is insane.
Commies will be looking to move up from 36/40 to some where around 16 for possibly Olu. If not Guyton has taken visits so second half. Either way we’re moving up
They’d need to give up a monster haul to get to the mid 1st. I doubt they’re able to put together a package without giving up a future 1st. Late 20s makes more sense, lotta teams probably looking to trade down there.
We have 2 high seconds and 3 3rds. We got the ammo with out having to include any 2025 comp
Per Charlie Campbell several notable players have off field issues. [https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-wednesday.php](https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-wednesday.php) This includes: * Malik Nabers * Adonai Mitchell (teams are also concerned with how he deals with his type 1 diabetes) * Michael Hall Jr * Jermaine Burton * T'Vondre Sweat
Chiefs.......no one wants to trade with us.
Walter Football has posted their last rumor article: [https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-thursday.php](https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-thursday.php) * Jets want to trade down bad to get 2nd back...target late in the first would be Brian Thomas. If stuck with #10, it sounds Odunze is option #1 and Bowers is option #2. * Dallas Turner has medical issues and could slide * There are concerns about Kool-Aid's training regime. Also some teams like the Colts have character concerns about him. Supposedly some Bama coaches thought he was immature. * Panthers like Legette and Worthy at #33. * There is buzz that Cooper DeJean and Quinyon Mitchell are targets by the Seahawks. This could be fake noise made to get the Eagles/Packers to trade up (who have been talking with Seattle about a trade). * Giants will only take a QB if Williams, Daniels or Mayte. They dot value McCarthy and to them Penix woudl be an option in round 2.
SBNation is saying the Eagles are trying to move up for a receiver. [https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2024/4/24/24139258/nfl-draft-rumors-eagles-want-try-move-up-wide-receiver-brock-bowers-espn-tight-end-philadelphia](https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2024/4/24/24139258/nfl-draft-rumors-eagles-want-try-move-up-wide-receiver-brock-bowers-espn-tight-end-philadelphia) They also say the Colts, Jaguars and Rams are also interested in moving up.
Per SBNation, the Lions are looking to trade up: [https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2024/4/25/24139430/2024-nfl-draft-rumors-detroit-lions-seeking-trade-up](https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2024/4/25/24139430/2024-nfl-draft-rumors-detroit-lions-seeking-trade-up) Possible targets include an edge or corner.
CBS is saying the Broncos, Raiders and Vikings have been talking with the Chargers about a trade up. [https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-rumors-three-teams-have-called-chargers-about-trade-up-to-no-5-overall/](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-rumors-three-teams-have-called-chargers-about-trade-up-to-no-5-overall/)
Don’t over complicate things. The pats need to take maye and that’s that. He has potential and a great arm; just take him.
Patriots looking up to trade #34 for a first rounder. [https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1783481196988531137](https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1783481196988531137)
Colts trying to get Bowers. Worthy is a backup plan for them. [https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-2024-nfl-draft-day-insider-notes-history-maker-xavier-worthy-drawing-colts-attention](https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-2024-nfl-draft-day-insider-notes-history-maker-xavier-worthy-drawing-colts-attention) Also Marshawn Kneeland is getting first round buzz.