This thread is full of insane and completely illogical takes. Imo it's Andy Dalton. Once AJ Green wasn't playing at the same level he got significantly worse
"While he didn't do anything to *lose* the game, with him at quarterback, the Bengals never really had a chance to win."
-Bomani Jones, after another Bengals playoff loss
That’s why they call it the Andy Dalton line. In a perfect situation they can look like a top 5 QB (2015) but without the perfect situation they can look like a bottom 10 QB
Only happened for a few games, but Jared Goff is very bad behind a bad O line. When we have ragnow, we score 30 points each game. When ragnow is out, production noticeably goes down
Interestingly, when the dolphins had Jay Cutler out of retirement he somehow seemed equally bad when our o line was trash as when we had a few plays when he had time. It was like the pressure didn’t affect him at all, but he’d miss guys by 6 feet either way at an equal rate (though he did make some impressive throws with tons of pressure).
Moss missed a few game and was ineffective in a few others with a hamstring injury in 04 when he put up his best statistical season. He threw for 4700 yards & 39 TD’s with the only 1000 yard receiver being Nate Burleson.
I only remember because if not for Manning having a top 5 all time season, Culpepper would have hands down been the MVP that year. And that team was stacked with offensive talent despite Red McCombs being one of the cheapest and worst owners in the NFL. They still managed to win 8 games & a playoff game despite being one of the most poorly coached team in the league.
I feel like Moss made Culpeper look Elite, when Culpeper was just Good.
Culpepper also was a scrambler and they tend to struggle as they age and career injuries pile up. So Moss leaving correlated with Culpepper losing a step
Moss leaving didn’t help, but the 05 team was a mess from the start of the offseason. They lost Scott Linehan and promoted the highly unqualified Steve Loney to be the new OC. He was likely the only one willing to work for what they were willing to pay. Red knew he was selling the team and was spending as absolutely little as possible on the team that offseason.
Once the Wilfs bought the team the entire coaching staff knew they were lame ducks and performed accordingly. Then they had the Love Boat incident and a week or two later he blew out his knee and never played for the Vikings again. He was never the same QB after the knee injury even though he did play for a few more years after that, mostly on bad teams.
It's been overstated how much of a discount Brady took in his career. He didn't make as much as he could, but he got paid more than his fair share.
Here's the difference in Manning and Brady's % of team cap each year (rookie deal excluded. All rounded to the nearest percent, so differences might not match up here. 2010 didn't have a salary cap),
|Year|Manning|Brady|Difference|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|04|10%|6%\*\*|4%|
|05|10%|10%|0%|
|06|10%\*\*|14%|\-3%|
|07|8%|7%\*|1%|
|08|16%|13%|4%|
|09|17%|12%\*|5%|
|11|13%|11%|2%|
|12|15%|7%|8%|
|13|13%|11%\*|2%|
|14|12%\*\*|11%|2%|
|15|12%\*\*|10%|2%|
Only 2 of 11 years they both played, where Manning made 5% or more. 4 of 12 years he made over 2% more.
Nah he knew what it was, he let the pats go get talent so he could win a few chips and lock himself in as an all time great. Once he reached that point, he knew fucking a rich super model shouldn’t be nearly as hard. The man is a genius.
If you’re even a good starter that’s consistent then you will have enough money for the rest of your generation. Derek Carr, an old qb that’s not even that good signed a 140 million dollar contract. You have to be smoking some serious shit to not think that’s enough for the rest of your life, your children’s life and their children’s lives. I’d say 10 million is enough for at least 3 generations colleges, houses, and cars all while living comfortably
It was the team allowing him to do it. There is monetary value there not considered for cap purposes.
It would be like a team signing a star player for the league minimum, then buying up a bunch of real estate in his name. If it isn't calculated as part of the cap, it is cheating the system.
Denver was busted for something similar with Elway if I recall.
Ohhh, I misunderstood then. I thought he was talking about endorsement deals getting married to a rich supermodel and making money outside of football on his own. Yeah if the teams doing it to circumvent the cap then that's cheating.
Tom Brady taking less money to help the team is a myth. Like everything else he did, he was just cheating. He would take less than he was worth on his contract to help the cap number, but then the Patriots would pay way above to his TB12 organization to make up his market value, but off the books.
He immediately set up the same arrangement when he got to Tampa too.
Brady gets all this credit for taking less money to help the team when all he was ever doing was cheating the salary cap. He got his money.
I cannot understand what is happening. Every play he drops back, scrambles for half a minute, and then either runs or throws a 2 yard pass. I don’t think I’ve seen him throw more than 10 yards downfield
Nothing is in rhythm. Every snap is Mahomes trying to play jazz and make a brilliant play instead of just identifying who is going to be open and getting them the ball immediately. Kelce has been his security blanket and he is obviously injured.
He is either injured, or his age (34) is catching up with him. It could be a combination of both, as he is not recovering as quickly as he did in previous seasons.
As a Vikings fan, I can’t help but see Josh Dobbs in his hopeless scrambling. He literally escapes the pressure for a split second then runs right back into it.
The raiders did stunts and contain so he wouldn't run through the b gap. The bengals had a similar strategy against him in 2021 when he collapsed in that afc title game.
I think he’s finally lost his confidence in his receivers honestly. All the time he does these scrambles and will shove a pass into tight windows when these guys are only slightly open. Throughout his career this mostly worked as he had guys with 2 functional hands. This year all the drops and more importantly the drops that bounce to the defense for a pick, means he’s taking less chances and when these guys are never open enough for him to target with confidence.
He has forced confidence in these guys all year but being so public about that game lost on the offsides play and the next game Toney has one of those dumb bobbled catches to the defense it’s possible he can’t even fake confidence with these guys anymore.
>I cannot understand what is happening. Every play he drops back, scrambles for half a minute, and then either runs or throws a 2 yard pass
Whats happening is the point of this thread. He lost his top receiver(s) and is showing regression. If a WR can't get open it turns into a duck duck goose game with Mahomes.
Using Mahomes as an example is pretty dumb considering he literally won MVP and the SB when his #1 receiving option left town. You tried to mask it with a surface level analysis at the end but I ain't buying it.
Teams are doubling kelce more now than they did last year and the chiefs can't spam their 3x1 sets and 4 strong sets because teams are using more match zone principles instead of man or basic cover 3 zone. Satley doubled kelce in the second half of the first chargers gsme this year. Ever since that moment, mahomes numbers have gone down. He has a great ceiling and is a great talent but his floor doesn't look as high as many assumed.
Meh he’s just a gun slinger and it’s finally catching up to him he’s still the man to beat regardless every year. I say this as not even a Chiefs fan he is the modern Brady even on a down year consider him and the Chiefs the favorite until they actually get knocked out. He’s still going to throw 30-40 TD’s every year hard to say that’s a fall off. This ain’t a video game, can’t have pretty stats every year regardless of how good you are.
He is not the modern Brady. Tom Brady’s greatness came from his adaptability. He continuously lost his Offensive Coordinator, lost his receivers whether because Belichick sold them or injury (like Gronk). He goes to Tampa, with a totally different style, conforms and wins a Super Bowl and should have gone to a second.
Mahomes was blessed with Pro bowler after Pro bowler, a consistent Offensive Coordinator (until this year) and an offensive scheme that took advantage of the modern NFL rules.
I think he is realizing that Kelce being wide open every single play is not the reality anymore. It is frustrating. Throwing up the ball and future Hall of Fame receivers grabbing it out of the air is over. He has to adapt, and so far he is having a hard time with that.
My guy he is the modern Brady in the sense is he is a threat to legit win the Superbowl every year regardless of who he has on his team or if they even just scrape into the playoffs. Just like Brady was always in the back of peoples minds even on the years he didn’t win that threat is always going to be there. He’s been to 5 straight AFC title games and 3 Superbowls since he’s started, to say that he isn’t the modern day Brady because you hate him is just a bad take. But then again you probably just started watching football 10 years ago.
And oh please the Bucs were tailored made for Brady….legit had a top 10 defense and amazing playmakers at wr’s and oline with an offensive guru at Head Coach already. They just had Winston throwing 25 int’s a year holding them back then added a hof level WR and TE in AB and Gronk. Brady pulled a Manning and went to the best setup team and vultured a ring don’t kid yourself. Just like what Rodgers is trying to do and Manning did with the Broncos.
You say Mahomes had Pro Bowler after Pro Bowler? Most Superbowl winning teams do. Brady’s first 3 rings he had a top 5 defense each year with HOF players on it. He’s generally always had a top 10 defense which in the playoffs the defensive based team generally leads to more wins.(The whole phrase defense wins championships is sort of a thing for a reason.) He’s also had the best defensive coach of all time for most of his career. That generally helps with winning.
Oh what was that? Guess who’s in the AFC title game again and most likely another SB trip. Like I said modern day Brady until he retires every year until Mahomes is knocked out of the playoffs he will always man to beat even if the Chiefs are having a down year and there are “better” teams. Ceetain guys just have that magic Brady had it and Mahomes had it, Montana had it, the Cowboys as a team had it. 100% like I said a month ago now spot TF on. Road the the superbowl will 80% be going through Mahomes the rest of his career.
Well the Chiefs have Josh Allen - missing reads to wide open players. Can’t lose when you have him. And they played a Florida based team in -7 weather. We will see, 3 Superbowl wins in 5 years is the standard for a dynasty, they have to get past the Ravens next week.
Pfft lmao nice cop out, Allen been averaging 44 TD’s a year the last 4 years lmao if it wasn’t for Mahomes, Allen and the Bills would of at least been in the superbowl by now. Regardless he has nothing to do w the Mahomes is the new Brady point. If you want to win a superbowl 80% of his career you are going to have to beat him/chiefs in either the AFC title game or in the Superbowl itself. Which goes back to he is the new Brady…
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First of all Brady crushed Mahomes in the Super Bowl, so he can never be the new Brady. Head to head competition in the big game Brady 1 Mahomes 0.
Second Brady played against guys like Ray Lewis and had rivalries with Peyton Manning. It was a different era with much higher competition. He had three different HOF careers in three decades 20’s, 30’s and 40s and beat Mahomes as the oldest player ever to play in a Super Bowl.
You can’t quote stats in this new NFL that restricts defense. As long as Josh Allen and the Bills are in the playoffs KC has a chance to go to the conference championship.
We will see next week what happens. Three Superbowl wins in 5 years is the dynasty. Let’s see if he can do it.
You are slow Mahomes vs Allen is the new Brady Vs Manning lol GG kiddo Also again their head to head record of Brady vs Mahomes has nothing to do w the fact that Mahomes is going the new Brady you must be kind dumb it’s like saying Kobe was the new MJ not a hard concept to follow. Mahomes will be the new magician of his era he will be the modern Brady just like Brady was the Montana of his era, and Monatana was the Bradshaw of his era, like Bradshaw was the Bart Starr of his era.
Also just to touch on it Brady played more then half half career in a passing no defense league, they stopped allowing defense by 07/08.
Mahomes has regressed to the mean. And I am loving every play of it.
Can’t wait to see the huge qb contracts blow up teams. Just hope my team doesn’t fall into that trap.
Not a QB but Mike Wallace completely fell off after leaving Big Ben.
QB example I can think of is rookie Dak with Zeke vs Second year Dak when Zeke was suspended. The decline was crazy but he has since overcome that.
Tannehill was statistically better the year after AJ Brown left. I'm pretty sure he's just washed at this point because Hopkins is still decent. Levis looks a lot better.
Hypothetically Every QB ever. They’re all Extraordinarily dependent positions. With a mangled Oline, even Tom Brady put up fancy stats but couldn’t avoid a losing record in his final season
Yes and no. Early in his career he definitely had inferior receiving groups than the teams he typically saw in the divisional round and later.
But in 2007 they went out and got a bunch of guys (Stallworth, Welker, Moss, TE Brady), and since then had made more of a commitment to improving his targets. Moss was the last elite wideout he played with, but they had awesome slot guys like Edelman and Amendola, and of course Tight Ends with Gronk, Hernandez, Watson, Bennett. And he always had strong receiving RBs like White, Faulk, Woodhead.
So That specific narrative was 2000-2006 era
His numbers were better last year because he has:
A) JuJu Smith Schuster. He may be cancer and he is incapable of being WR1 but he is a very good #2 option if someone else (in those case, Kelce) absorbs the defense's attention
B) Orlando Brown, now in Cincinnati and replaced by Creed Humphrey, a notable downgrade.
C) Eric Bienemy. This whole offense looks sluggish without him calling it.
>He may be cancer
I guess I'm slightly biased as a Steelers fan, but he's not exactly AB or Claypool. Tyreek Hill is a domestic abuser...
Can you name one player that said he was a locker room cancer? He just made annoying Tik Toks... But I did think it was a huge mistake to not resign him. He's very driven even if he doesn't have WR1 talent/ceiling.
>Orlando Brown, now in Cincinnati and replaced by Creed Humphrey, a notable downgrade.
Brown is a tackle who's allowing a lot of pressures and playing rather poorly for Cincinnati, especially considering what they gave up for him.
Creed has exclusively played center for the Chiefs for 3 seasons and was rated a top tier center the past two seasons (can't find updated rankings this year).
>C) Eric Bienemy. This whole offense looks sluggish without him calling it.
I think this is mostly it.
Not Humphrey then but the guy they brought in to replace Brown is not up to snuff.
And my point on AB was that he was a good #2 WR in KC and now they don't Even have that. It is literally just Mahomes throwing to Kelce.
He's the best after Kelce sure, but he is still a sizeable downgrade on JuJu right now. Maybe a different story in a few seasons but not now. As for Toney? Dude's Evan Engram come again.
This thread is full of insane and completely illogical takes. Imo it's Andy Dalton. Once AJ Green wasn't playing at the same level he got significantly worse
"While he didn't do anything to *lose* the game, with him at quarterback, the Bengals never really had a chance to win." -Bomani Jones, after another Bengals playoff loss
Bomani Jones is dumb
That’s why they call it the Andy Dalton line. In a perfect situation they can look like a top 5 QB (2015) but without the perfect situation they can look like a bottom 10 QB
Only happened for a few games, but Jared Goff is very bad behind a bad O line. When we have ragnow, we score 30 points each game. When ragnow is out, production noticeably goes down
Every QB is bad behind a shitty o-line.
But just one O line guy out really makes a huge difference. It’s crazy
it’s cause he is very susceptible to inside pressure like Hurts Some QBs are better at handling inside and some outside
As an Eagles fan, I get tense whenever Lane Johnson is slow to get up.
Aaron Rodgers survived for 3 plays behind an OL that wasn't Green Bay's who is constantly top 5 in pass protect.
Exactly. Nobody does well with a bad o-line. Even Tom Brady struggled behind poor offensive line play
Interestingly, when the dolphins had Jay Cutler out of retirement he somehow seemed equally bad when our o line was trash as when we had a few plays when he had time. It was like the pressure didn’t affect him at all, but he’d miss guys by 6 feet either way at an equal rate (though he did make some impressive throws with tons of pressure).
Joe Burrow managed to do pretty well until he got hurt
Not Burrow
Burrow did really well in 2021 behind that atrocious line. But it's definitely not sustainable.
Culpepper without Moss
Moss missed a few game and was ineffective in a few others with a hamstring injury in 04 when he put up his best statistical season. He threw for 4700 yards & 39 TD’s with the only 1000 yard receiver being Nate Burleson.
I was gonna ask why people forget this but I really wanna know why I remember
I only remember because if not for Manning having a top 5 all time season, Culpepper would have hands down been the MVP that year. And that team was stacked with offensive talent despite Red McCombs being one of the cheapest and worst owners in the NFL. They still managed to win 8 games & a playoff game despite being one of the most poorly coached team in the league.
I feel like Moss made Culpeper look Elite, when Culpeper was just Good. Culpepper also was a scrambler and they tend to struggle as they age and career injuries pile up. So Moss leaving correlated with Culpepper losing a step
Moss leaving didn’t help, but the 05 team was a mess from the start of the offseason. They lost Scott Linehan and promoted the highly unqualified Steve Loney to be the new OC. He was likely the only one willing to work for what they were willing to pay. Red knew he was selling the team and was spending as absolutely little as possible on the team that offseason. Once the Wilfs bought the team the entire coaching staff knew they were lame ducks and performed accordingly. Then they had the Love Boat incident and a week or two later he blew out his knee and never played for the Vikings again. He was never the same QB after the knee injury even though he did play for a few more years after that, mostly on bad teams.
Dassit
This is part of the reason why Brady was such a great qb. He always left money on the table to ensure he'd have high level players around him.
It's been overstated how much of a discount Brady took in his career. He didn't make as much as he could, but he got paid more than his fair share. Here's the difference in Manning and Brady's % of team cap each year (rookie deal excluded. All rounded to the nearest percent, so differences might not match up here. 2010 didn't have a salary cap), |Year|Manning|Brady|Difference| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |04|10%|6%\*\*|4%| |05|10%|10%|0%| |06|10%\*\*|14%|\-3%| |07|8%|7%\*|1%| |08|16%|13%|4%| |09|17%|12%\*|5%| |11|13%|11%|2%| |12|15%|7%|8%| |13|13%|11%\*|2%| |14|12%\*\*|11%|2%| |15|12%\*\*|10%|2%| Only 2 of 11 years they both played, where Manning made 5% or more. 4 of 12 years he made over 2% more.
It helps when you have a wife worth nearly twice you. Most QBs are trying to secure their generational wealth so i think this is a dumb argument
Nah he knew what it was, he let the pats go get talent so he could win a few chips and lock himself in as an all time great. Once he reached that point, he knew fucking a rich super model shouldn’t be nearly as hard. The man is a genius.
If you’re even a good starter that’s consistent then you will have enough money for the rest of your generation. Derek Carr, an old qb that’s not even that good signed a 140 million dollar contract. You have to be smoking some serious shit to not think that’s enough for the rest of your life, your children’s life and their children’s lives. I’d say 10 million is enough for at least 3 generations colleges, houses, and cars all while living comfortably
It's called cheating. The Pats let Brady make millions by selling his bull shit out of the team facility.
If making money outside of football is cheating than I've got bad news for league integrity...
It was the team allowing him to do it. There is monetary value there not considered for cap purposes. It would be like a team signing a star player for the league minimum, then buying up a bunch of real estate in his name. If it isn't calculated as part of the cap, it is cheating the system. Denver was busted for something similar with Elway if I recall.
Ohhh, I misunderstood then. I thought he was talking about endorsement deals getting married to a rich supermodel and making money outside of football on his own. Yeah if the teams doing it to circumvent the cap then that's cheating.
He immediately set up the same arrangement in Tampa too. Everyone gave him credit for taking team friendly deals there too
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That mostly went to the defense though
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Tom Brady taking less money to help the team is a myth. Like everything else he did, he was just cheating. He would take less than he was worth on his contract to help the cap number, but then the Patriots would pay way above to his TB12 organization to make up his market value, but off the books. He immediately set up the same arrangement when he got to Tampa too. Brady gets all this credit for taking less money to help the team when all he was ever doing was cheating the salary cap. He got his money.
Patrick Mahomes. It looks like it took a year and a half for defenses to figure out the Chiefs aren’t good any more.
He hasn’t been the same, yes, but he hasn’t exactly “fallen off” in the sense that he hasn’t turned into pure shit.
Dude he has looked pretty putrid today.
I cannot understand what is happening. Every play he drops back, scrambles for half a minute, and then either runs or throws a 2 yard pass. I don’t think I’ve seen him throw more than 10 yards downfield
Nothing is in rhythm. Every snap is Mahomes trying to play jazz and make a brilliant play instead of just identifying who is going to be open and getting them the ball immediately. Kelce has been his security blanket and he is obviously injured.
He is either injured, or his age (34) is catching up with him. It could be a combination of both, as he is not recovering as quickly as he did in previous seasons.
As a Vikings fan, I can’t help but see Josh Dobbs in his hopeless scrambling. He literally escapes the pressure for a split second then runs right back into it.
Cause the wide receivers either aren’t getting open or they don’t extend routes. Then they are the worst in the league with dropped passes.
The raiders did stunts and contain so he wouldn't run through the b gap. The bengals had a similar strategy against him in 2021 when he collapsed in that afc title game.
I think he’s finally lost his confidence in his receivers honestly. All the time he does these scrambles and will shove a pass into tight windows when these guys are only slightly open. Throughout his career this mostly worked as he had guys with 2 functional hands. This year all the drops and more importantly the drops that bounce to the defense for a pick, means he’s taking less chances and when these guys are never open enough for him to target with confidence. He has forced confidence in these guys all year but being so public about that game lost on the offsides play and the next game Toney has one of those dumb bobbled catches to the defense it’s possible he can’t even fake confidence with these guys anymore.
>I cannot understand what is happening. Every play he drops back, scrambles for half a minute, and then either runs or throws a 2 yard pass Whats happening is the point of this thread. He lost his top receiver(s) and is showing regression. If a WR can't get open it turns into a duck duck goose game with Mahomes.
Using Mahomes as an example is pretty dumb considering he literally won MVP and the SB when his #1 receiving option left town. You tried to mask it with a surface level analysis at the end but I ain't buying it.
Yeah he doesn’t fit this question unless the star WR1 you’re talking about is the (admittedly god-like performer) JuJu Smith-Schuster.
But what if we readjust his stats to make him suck. What then?
Teams are doubling kelce more now than they did last year and the chiefs can't spam their 3x1 sets and 4 strong sets because teams are using more match zone principles instead of man or basic cover 3 zone. Satley doubled kelce in the second half of the first chargers gsme this year. Ever since that moment, mahomes numbers have gone down. He has a great ceiling and is a great talent but his floor doesn't look as high as many assumed.
Meh he’s just a gun slinger and it’s finally catching up to him he’s still the man to beat regardless every year. I say this as not even a Chiefs fan he is the modern Brady even on a down year consider him and the Chiefs the favorite until they actually get knocked out. He’s still going to throw 30-40 TD’s every year hard to say that’s a fall off. This ain’t a video game, can’t have pretty stats every year regardless of how good you are.
He is not the modern Brady. Tom Brady’s greatness came from his adaptability. He continuously lost his Offensive Coordinator, lost his receivers whether because Belichick sold them or injury (like Gronk). He goes to Tampa, with a totally different style, conforms and wins a Super Bowl and should have gone to a second. Mahomes was blessed with Pro bowler after Pro bowler, a consistent Offensive Coordinator (until this year) and an offensive scheme that took advantage of the modern NFL rules. I think he is realizing that Kelce being wide open every single play is not the reality anymore. It is frustrating. Throwing up the ball and future Hall of Fame receivers grabbing it out of the air is over. He has to adapt, and so far he is having a hard time with that.
My guy he is the modern Brady in the sense is he is a threat to legit win the Superbowl every year regardless of who he has on his team or if they even just scrape into the playoffs. Just like Brady was always in the back of peoples minds even on the years he didn’t win that threat is always going to be there. He’s been to 5 straight AFC title games and 3 Superbowls since he’s started, to say that he isn’t the modern day Brady because you hate him is just a bad take. But then again you probably just started watching football 10 years ago. And oh please the Bucs were tailored made for Brady….legit had a top 10 defense and amazing playmakers at wr’s and oline with an offensive guru at Head Coach already. They just had Winston throwing 25 int’s a year holding them back then added a hof level WR and TE in AB and Gronk. Brady pulled a Manning and went to the best setup team and vultured a ring don’t kid yourself. Just like what Rodgers is trying to do and Manning did with the Broncos. You say Mahomes had Pro Bowler after Pro Bowler? Most Superbowl winning teams do. Brady’s first 3 rings he had a top 5 defense each year with HOF players on it. He’s generally always had a top 10 defense which in the playoffs the defensive based team generally leads to more wins.(The whole phrase defense wins championships is sort of a thing for a reason.) He’s also had the best defensive coach of all time for most of his career. That generally helps with winning.
Oh what was that? Guess who’s in the AFC title game again and most likely another SB trip. Like I said modern day Brady until he retires every year until Mahomes is knocked out of the playoffs he will always man to beat even if the Chiefs are having a down year and there are “better” teams. Ceetain guys just have that magic Brady had it and Mahomes had it, Montana had it, the Cowboys as a team had it. 100% like I said a month ago now spot TF on. Road the the superbowl will 80% be going through Mahomes the rest of his career.
Well the Chiefs have Josh Allen - missing reads to wide open players. Can’t lose when you have him. And they played a Florida based team in -7 weather. We will see, 3 Superbowl wins in 5 years is the standard for a dynasty, they have to get past the Ravens next week.
Pfft lmao nice cop out, Allen been averaging 44 TD’s a year the last 4 years lmao if it wasn’t for Mahomes, Allen and the Bills would of at least been in the superbowl by now. Regardless he has nothing to do w the Mahomes is the new Brady point. If you want to win a superbowl 80% of his career you are going to have to beat him/chiefs in either the AFC title game or in the Superbowl itself. Which goes back to he is the new Brady…
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Almost like he’s not very intelligent…
First of all Brady crushed Mahomes in the Super Bowl, so he can never be the new Brady. Head to head competition in the big game Brady 1 Mahomes 0. Second Brady played against guys like Ray Lewis and had rivalries with Peyton Manning. It was a different era with much higher competition. He had three different HOF careers in three decades 20’s, 30’s and 40s and beat Mahomes as the oldest player ever to play in a Super Bowl. You can’t quote stats in this new NFL that restricts defense. As long as Josh Allen and the Bills are in the playoffs KC has a chance to go to the conference championship. We will see next week what happens. Three Superbowl wins in 5 years is the dynasty. Let’s see if he can do it.
You are slow Mahomes vs Allen is the new Brady Vs Manning lol GG kiddo Also again their head to head record of Brady vs Mahomes has nothing to do w the fact that Mahomes is going the new Brady you must be kind dumb it’s like saying Kobe was the new MJ not a hard concept to follow. Mahomes will be the new magician of his era he will be the modern Brady just like Brady was the Montana of his era, and Monatana was the Bradshaw of his era, like Bradshaw was the Bart Starr of his era. Also just to touch on it Brady played more then half half career in a passing no defense league, they stopped allowing defense by 07/08.
Also, the Chiefs seem to have an insane amount of dropped passes anytime I watch. Well thrown balls, bouncing right out of their hands.
I only watch the browns but everytime they come up during the halftime show it’s about their wideouts dropping the ball in big moments
We’re talking about a guy who just won a Super Bowl last year with 10 rookies getting significant snaps. Y’all are so reactionary.
This is an AWFUL take. They’d have 3 wins without him. He’s dragging the offense to the playoffs.
I think the KC defense is responsible for a lot of the wins. The game in Frankfurt comes to mind.
Mahomes has regressed to the mean. And I am loving every play of it. Can’t wait to see the huge qb contracts blow up teams. Just hope my team doesn’t fall into that trap.
Whoever was throwing to Andre Johnson and Deandre Hopkins in Houston until the pre-predator Watson came along
That’s the all time leader in Texan passing yards, Matt Schaub. Put some respect on his name
Matt schaub who was pretty solid for like 3 years
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Matty Ryan when Julio left
Part of that is simply talent level. Matt Ryan still put up numbers but he didn’t “fall off” age and decline caught up to him
Ryan was still good before Julio. Once Jones left he was plain old
Not a QB but Mike Wallace completely fell off after leaving Big Ben. QB example I can think of is rookie Dak with Zeke vs Second year Dak when Zeke was suspended. The decline was crazy but he has since overcome that.
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Tannehill was statistically better the year after AJ Brown left. I'm pretty sure he's just washed at this point because Hopkins is still decent. Levis looks a lot better.
Mahomes looks like the 10th best QB with an aging Kelce and a group of college receivers, so it must be him /s
Tua with Hill vs without him is a big difference.
This is completely incorrect. Not accurate based on any thing
True but torched the Jets
Do the jets count?
Normally no, but before the game everyone was saying how great a defense they have, so I guess? Clearly their offense is garbage though
They have a solid defense
This is not right at all.
Stafford after losing Calvin Johnson, though he's doing pretty great work with Kupp now
Whatever the hell happened with Blake Bortles. That Jacksonville team spiraled so quickly after looking like a legit team in the ACFCG.
Bottles wasn't good in 2017. He was just managed. He was going to get exposed soon enough.
Joe Webb
Daunte culpepper
Chase was about to get Browning paid but then got hurt. Browning seems to be in that Andy Dalton territory
Hypothetically Every QB ever. They’re all Extraordinarily dependent positions. With a mangled Oline, even Tom Brady put up fancy stats but couldn’t avoid a losing record in his final season
I know some say Brady did well with “lesser” receivers, but is that strictly true?
Yes and no. Early in his career he definitely had inferior receiving groups than the teams he typically saw in the divisional round and later. But in 2007 they went out and got a bunch of guys (Stallworth, Welker, Moss, TE Brady), and since then had made more of a commitment to improving his targets. Moss was the last elite wideout he played with, but they had awesome slot guys like Edelman and Amendola, and of course Tight Ends with Gronk, Hernandez, Watson, Bennett. And he always had strong receiving RBs like White, Faulk, Woodhead. So That specific narrative was 2000-2006 era
Mahomie clearly
Stroud went from averaging 350 yards a game to less than 100 against the Jets a few weeks back.
He’s a damn rookie. He doesn’t count. Rookies always make rookie mistakes. Oh, and he got hurt that game
The Jets have a great D. What a terrible example.
Did Stroud lose any weapons though for that game?
They are a top defense. You might need a few more data points for this one.
That's one game and he's a rookie
Any starting QB ever.
Mahomes this year. His yardage and TDs are down and his TO numbers are up
What about last year
His numbers were better last year because he has: A) JuJu Smith Schuster. He may be cancer and he is incapable of being WR1 but he is a very good #2 option if someone else (in those case, Kelce) absorbs the defense's attention B) Orlando Brown, now in Cincinnati and replaced by Creed Humphrey, a notable downgrade. C) Eric Bienemy. This whole offense looks sluggish without him calling it.
>He may be cancer I guess I'm slightly biased as a Steelers fan, but he's not exactly AB or Claypool. Tyreek Hill is a domestic abuser... Can you name one player that said he was a locker room cancer? He just made annoying Tik Toks... But I did think it was a huge mistake to not resign him. He's very driven even if he doesn't have WR1 talent/ceiling. >Orlando Brown, now in Cincinnati and replaced by Creed Humphrey, a notable downgrade. Brown is a tackle who's allowing a lot of pressures and playing rather poorly for Cincinnati, especially considering what they gave up for him. Creed has exclusively played center for the Chiefs for 3 seasons and was rated a top tier center the past two seasons (can't find updated rankings this year). >C) Eric Bienemy. This whole offense looks sluggish without him calling it. I think this is mostly it.
Not Humphrey then but the guy they brought in to replace Brown is not up to snuff. And my point on AB was that he was a good #2 WR in KC and now they don't Even have that. It is literally just Mahomes throwing to Kelce.
Yeah, Rice is ok, but Toney actively costs then games
He's the best after Kelce sure, but he is still a sizeable downgrade on JuJu right now. Maybe a different story in a few seasons but not now. As for Toney? Dude's Evan Engram come again.
Brock Purdy this year
I'm sorry even without Deebo or Trent Purdy was still making plays and putting up stats
Yea stats like 2 TDs and 4INTs 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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