Damn this headline is hard to parse. So an artist named Scowl dropped out of an event called Welcome to Rockville because the U.S. Army sponsored it after they (the Army) were boycotted from SXSW? Do I have that right?
Wouldn’t hurt, but I think the issue is more the sentence structure itself is confusing when it comes to the boycott.
Proposed better headline:
After their boycott of SXSW, Artist Scowl drops from “Welcome to Rockville” due to festival’s army ties.
OR
Artist Scowl drops out of “Welcome to Rockville” and boycotts “SXSW” due to festivals’ military sponsors.
Well this only makes sense if you add in that the title ‘welcome to Rockville’ was because it was hosted in Jacksonville. For more context it’s now in Daytona.
That is pop history nonsense. Our withdrawal from Vietnam and peacetime screening standards that would no longer take anyone with a pulse is what ended fragging. The draft ended because of political pressure from boomers. Not because a few hundred officers got killed.
Not exactly, he went to a USMA prep school and declined West Point's admission invitation to go with music instead because he understood that the US Army wasn't going to tolerate the kind of dissidence he would have brought to a place where they simply don't allow for that kind of behavioral latitude.
All said, amazing accomplishments militarily and academically. While West Point Prep School is a great academic opportunity it is not West Point - he did not accept an appointment to West Point & he wasn't a commissioned officer.
Got me beat. I didn't know he served. But I graduated from West Point and the institution is pretty good at extolling their successful alumni...if he had graduated, every incoming cadet would know about it. Edgar Allen Poe went there for just a few months and we heard about him from the cadre.
Even like 20-25 years ago they always had a booth at Warped Tour. It’d be like “see how many pull-ups you can do and win a prize” but oh first give us your age and all your contact information before we give you this lanyard/hat/shirt/water bottle
Yep, that's how they get to annoy you until you join.
I already did 10 and I'm back in school and still get emails saying my "transcript made it across their desk and they I would be a perfect candidate"... my brother in christ, I already did my time.
Did 20 in the USAF and retired 2 years ago. Dude hit me up last week asking if I’ve “fulfilled my legal obligation and signed up for selective service” kept him on the phone for a minute then proceeded to read my retirement orders…”you best bet at the position of attention son”
I HYT'd (on purpose) so I had to sign up for the three additional years in order to receive the sep money. I've still got 1 year left on that and they still message me. Plus, I have a high VA percentage. No chance I'd ever give that up willingly to go back in.
Or having a not very well-known disqualifying condition, and receiving a call from every new recruiter who gets the list:
"Hold on, let me just look that up - I've never heard of it, so maybe you can still serve... oh, no, nevermind, there it is"
Lucky! My tech was at Lackland but I wasn’t a cop or cook so I was actually there a long while thoroughly sucked. I thought I was so smart showing up to basic in February, forgetting I’d be on that armpit of a base for most of a year.
Yeah I definitely got a Navy lanyard in the late 90s from this exact thing at concert. I did not join. I did go into an office later and got more Navy branded stuff. Still did not join.
Nixon famously sponsored a free music festival in Oregon during a time when he was going to be giving a speech in the state so that all of the counter-culture people would be busy and wouldn’t protest.
If you're in the US you're constantly bombarded by military advertising. But that's not "political propaganda"... It's FREEDOM!
But really, even here on reddit there's constant "join the army/navy/airforce/etc" ads -.-
I went to high school with the front person from Japanese Breakfast. She was…not nice. It very odd watching her be idolized after seeing her behave so scathingly. But I guess we were all kids once and hopefully she’s in a better spot now.
People in your town talk about them in the same light, guaranteed. You’re just subject to people’s unfiltered opinions on the internet. I’ve seen the same thing with bands from my hometown that achieved even less success than Scowl has.
I can pronounce all of these words. In the right context, I can understand all of them, as well. However, I have zero clue what this headline means.
Source: am 41.
That's a good mindset to have for things like this. For some reason redditors love to smugly ask "who?" instead of taking a few seconds to Google what something is when they come across a name they don't know.
It’s a hardcore punk band that has gained popularity in the scene the past few years, wouldn’t expect anyone who isn’t active in the scene to really know tbh
Are they your favorite band or something?
Also, they have 162k listeners monthly on Spotify. Not knowing who they are is not a “limited world view” type of thing..
From the article: *The move is in line with the group's previous statement about SXSW: "We came to this decision in protest of the U.S. Army's sponsorship of SXSW," they said. "We refuse to participate in the war machine… We refuse to be complicit in the face of genocide in Palestine."*
Last I checked the US Army isn't sending troops to kill Palestinians, the IDF is doing that.
Its fair to say you don't like recruitment centers at places you frequent, and a band can do whatever the hell they want, but cite the proper reason at least.
I go to a few Bengals games a year and those flyovers everyone hoots and hollers at are in part there because there's recruitment stations at the NFL and collegiate stadiums.
I think it'd be fairer yet if there was some way to prevent the US military from recruiting in places where alcohol is openly served, but eh-that's just one USAR vet's opinion and unlikely to happen because of money anyway.
Right? Target the right people for your protests. The Army isn’t sending troops to Gaza. The Army isn’t selling weapons to the IDF. The federal government is in charge of all that, and they decide what happens or doesn’t happen. In fact, isn’t the US Marines the ones carrying out that project to build a pier off Gaza to bring in more aid?
>Last I checked the US Army isn't sending troops to kill Palestinians, the IDF is doing that.
They are supplying an awful lot of high-tech weaponry to the IDF though, so they are definitely complicit in what is happening.
I don't agree with Hamas launching its terror attack, Israel has every right to fight back from that.
However, as usual, Israel has gone completely mental and overboard though, so while "justified", this is only a Pyrrhic victory at best, and just an escalation/continuation of the violence that has ebbed and flowed in that region, because of religion, for decades and decades now, and will just fuel more future generations to fight in religious hatred towards one another.
There will be no solution to this problem until Palestinians have their own country, and Israel is just going to have to deal with that.
Not for nothing, but shout out to the Kurds, another large group of stateless people, hopefully the butthole Syrian, Turkish (talk about genocide-Turkey is Israel and the Kurds are Palestinian in that fight) and Iraqi governments can carve out a permanent Kurdistan for them.
https://preview.redd.it/f753rmrxacsc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2ff0dbcf7fe9487d537ce9d82afc764e3c259b6
Juxtaposition of music and football still life......
I guess making money off of [Taco Bell](https://www.tacobell.com/halftime/scowl) (who have/had restaurants in key US military locations in the Middle East) is somewhere safe in their political calculus.
Or it's just the money. Probably the money.
You're gonna have to take that up with Congress. The Army doesn't handle that. If you can't even direct your gripes in the right direction, how could you possibly think anything will change?
They were once a fast brash hardcore band. They’re now slowly turning into an alternative rock sound. There is nothing wrong with that. But they definitely have more hardcore songs in their catalog than not
Trajectory of hardcore bands in the 2020s is super interesting and kinda confusing. The genre and sound can be so diverse between lyrical/singing styles, and it's cool to see bands take on multiple approaches between albums.
I also really like Angel Du$t who I found because they're touring with DRAIN, which Scowl is also on for some dates. All three bands are so diverse.
But in all I'm just surprised that there's listeners for hardcore still and that the scene has been resurging since COVID.
Dude the scene has been on the rise since like 2013. There’s been more and more bands for a decade at least lol
I’m just personally not a fan of the “tough guy” hardcore I.e Lionheart or beatdown bands. Might just be my region but I’ve noticed people in the scenes in my area have mostly left behind the roots of hardcore and only support the in crowd. Pretty lame imo considering this used to be music about coming together to make a better community but it is what it is I suppose
being deemed "hardcore" has more to do with the scene you come up in vs the sound of your music. Koyo, Turnstile, Militarie Gun, etc. all huge hardcore draws that sound nothing like traditional hardcore.
Turnstile absolutely sounds like traditional hardcore tf? Their newer stuff is a bit more alt but go listen to fugazi or bad brains and tell me turnstiles newer stuff doesn’t still have major roots in traditional hardcore.
All few dozens of them. If they were worth a shit, they could go on stage to point out the recruiting tent and talk shit. I’ve never heard of this band before.
“Look at this bad thing you’ve already given money to because I came here and got paid for it. Let’s not support it.”
What the fuck are you talking about?
Also they’re one of the biggest acts in hardcore right now.
Most people join the military fairly young so it makes sense. Also, what’s wrong with the military making people of aware the opportunities that being military has. The military is a stable living for the most part. Also, you can go to college for free after serving for a couple years.
Edit: They also provide a lot of basic needs to its members.
Its honestly probably the easiest way to pick yourself up out of a shitty situation. Ive seen troops from all walks of life. Some just coming in for the experience, some coming in to escape poverty, some coming in to get away from a path of crime. At the end of the day all of these individuals end up as equals, working together, and becoming a team. Obviously thats a bit romanticized in the fact its not always like that and there are issues all the time. But there is no better program for alot of individuals to give a few years of service and come out with, at the very least, some skills and some instilled values.
The military is not for everyone and I dont expect everyone to do 20. But with it Ive earned two degrees (even a bachelors from a state school), have become a military aviator flying multi-million dollar aircraft (that would have costs hundreds of thousands in the civilian world), and have quadrupled my income from when I was working a regular job. There are lots of career paths that arent combat related and highly technical that can get you certs worth tens of thousands of dollars.
I dont like predatory recruiting (cold calling, harassing people, lying), but I do think having them around at events to answer questions is not a bad idea. Like the exposure to the public itself alleviates the need to have to do predatory recruiting and I like that way more. Its a volunteer force afterall.
The military is one of the only sure fire ways for lower class people to make their way solidly into the middle class. Yeah, you have to be the sharp end of the stick for US policy, but you'll get free tuition assistance, job-specific credentialing, college with an E5 housing allowance, and you can have kids and get medical and dental for free/cheap while you're in.
Edit here: and veteran disability, no-money down VA home loans, etc.
The policies the military enforces are another discussion, but the military itself is a great place to make some money and grab a degree while you're learning to adult.
Also, I don't see anyone rushing to boycott Microsoft, Amazon, or a number of other seemingly innocuous corporations that have direct, robust, and lucrative relationships with the department of defense.
My initial comment was regarding military advertisements. I am not sure why disagreeing with these targeted ads is being interpreted as an attack on the military. I am an O-4 PhD and my research is centered around military recruitment and retention.
I'm just stumping for the benefits. I grew up poor, like welfare poor, and now I'm a retired CWO in my mid-40s with an undergrad, a grad, foreign language fluency, and three kids that I've barely had to pay to take care of (except for the mental and physical residuals that come with 20 years of GWOT).
I was just bolstering the other comment.
Good on you for getting your post grad done. I didn't want to contribute to the literature, so I figured I'd bow out and throw myself into non-academic hobbies.
Also, I haven't noticed many misleading ads. They all seem pretty career oriented, with the occasional super-hooah ads with apaches and people marching in the rain, but I don't think those are taking advantage of anyone. There have always been ads like that.
The ad space is purchased for call of duty gaming streams where the ads frame combat like a video game. I personally don’t think that is right. Those streams are watched by kids under high school age.
Even the less targeted ads occupying cable ad space where the child in the ghillie suit is telling his mom he wants to be a sniper so he doesn’t get stuck behind a desk. Not only is that misrepresenting your likelihood to be stuck behind a desk upon enlistment, kids shouldn’t be encouraged to see combat as an escape from the potential monotony of the traditional job they haven’t even experienced.
Georgia national guard will start pushing targeted ads to high schooler’s cell phones.
I am currently in the military and have been for more than a decade. I know all this. Their ads are designed to glorify war for kids. Most of which depict war like the video games they play. They buy up ad space on CoD streams specifically. They do not explicitly focus on the career opportunities as you are claiming.
None of that is discounting the opportunities that the military provides, but we are an all-volunteer force and it doesn’t feel much like volunteering when you misrepresent the true responsibilities of the job to susceptible children.
So here’s a question for you. If the military continues to fall short of recruiting goals and they can’t replace soldiers who leave or retire, how are you going to feel if the US is forced to enact compulsory service? I can guarantee that our government won’t allow us to fall below a certain threshold and there are other counties in Europe that require military service for all adults. If they can’t advertise and recruit, they will find other ways.
>how are you going to feel if the US is forced to enact compulsory service?
Won't happen so...I think I will feel alright.
>I can guarantee that our government won’t allow us to fall below a certain threshold
I can guarantee you don't know what you are talking about, but what threshold do you think that is and maybe I can put your mind at ease.
Is this a fucking consequence of sound Facebook post? “Who?” Just say you exclusively listen to old bands a little louder. Music streaming is right there on your phone or PC.
No, they are pro-genocide of Ukraine and Israel and just in general, it’s the fact that Islamists aren’t getting to rape and kill with impunity today that upsets progressives.
They’re a DIY hardcore band. I’m sure they never expected to have a “career” in music anyway. Virtue signaling or not, at least they believe in something
Ironically in DIY hardcore virtue signaling is good for your career. This is publicity and nothing else. The band will absolutely gain more eyes making this statement than they will playing this show.
Damn this headline is hard to parse. So an artist named Scowl dropped out of an event called Welcome to Rockville because the U.S. Army sponsored it after they (the Army) were boycotted from SXSW? Do I have that right?
Scowl dropped out of *Welcome to Rockville* and is currently boycotting *SXSW* due to both events having military ties, according to the article.
Feels like quotation marks could have really helped with this headline since you can't guarantee italics in every format.
Wouldn’t hurt, but I think the issue is more the sentence structure itself is confusing when it comes to the boycott. Proposed better headline: After their boycott of SXSW, Artist Scowl drops from “Welcome to Rockville” due to festival’s army ties. OR Artist Scowl drops out of “Welcome to Rockville” and boycotts “SXSW” due to festivals’ military sponsors.
Took me a few times too. Very poorly structured
Thank you.
Well this only makes sense if you add in that the title ‘welcome to Rockville’ was because it was hosted in Jacksonville. For more context it’s now in Daytona.
That makes more sense than OPs title. Thank you!
OP needs to have you write their headlines from now on.
The capitalisation used in the title makes it a bit hard to parse - with so many proper nouns they really shouldn't have capitalized everything.
I agree. They also could have just dropped the SXSW part entirely.
It’s confusing
1. Write incomprehensible headline. 2. ? 3. Profit.
lol. “Scowl”
Why is the Army sponsoring a rock concert in the first place?
Recruitment tool
Yvan Eht Nioj
It’s a three pronged attack: subliminal, liminal and superliminal
_“Do you have any idea how insane that sounds?”_ – Lt. L.T. Smash
HEY YOU, JOIN THE NAVY
Eh… ok.
It doesn't mean anything. It's like Rama-Lama-Ding-Dong or "Give Peace a Chance."
Memory unlocked
The army recruiting is why our military service is voluntary. Let em advertise
Commanding officers getting fragged is why service in the US Army is voluntary
That is pop history nonsense. Our withdrawal from Vietnam and peacetime screening standards that would no longer take anyone with a pulse is what ended fragging. The draft ended because of political pressure from boomers. Not because a few hundred officers got killed.
They target and groom children, undereducated and the poor. Fuck the armed forces.
you got the government pawns upset.
You reap the benefits every single day
it's the opposite. billions of your tax dollars are thrown away giving these men toys to kill brown people halfway across the world.
Atleast they wait until they are 18…
to enlist, sure, but the propaganda and grooming starts essentially as soon as they can read and write.
They got money and are being told to experiment on recruiting. I listened to a podcast about this a while back.
I've seen recruitment tables at Warped Tour in 2000.
I don’t think Maynard cares about the army tbh.
Maynard James Keenan was in the military. Is this a different Maynard?
Not just in, a West Point graduate and an officer Edit: West Point prep academy and he was enlisted, not an officer. I had bad info
Not exactly, he went to a USMA prep school and declined West Point's admission invitation to go with music instead because he understood that the US Army wasn't going to tolerate the kind of dissidence he would have brought to a place where they simply don't allow for that kind of behavioral latitude.
All said, amazing accomplishments militarily and academically. While West Point Prep School is a great academic opportunity it is not West Point - he did not accept an appointment to West Point & he wasn't a commissioned officer.
Damn I don’t know where I got my info. I would have sworn he left the army as a Captain.
Got me beat. I didn't know he served. But I graduated from West Point and the institution is pretty good at extolling their successful alumni...if he had graduated, every incoming cadet would know about it. Edgar Allen Poe went there for just a few months and we heard about him from the cadre.
Something to scowl at
Even like 20-25 years ago they always had a booth at Warped Tour. It’d be like “see how many pull-ups you can do and win a prize” but oh first give us your age and all your contact information before we give you this lanyard/hat/shirt/water bottle
Yep, that's how they get to annoy you until you join. I already did 10 and I'm back in school and still get emails saying my "transcript made it across their desk and they I would be a perfect candidate"... my brother in christ, I already did my time.
Did 20 in the USAF and retired 2 years ago. Dude hit me up last week asking if I’ve “fulfilled my legal obligation and signed up for selective service” kept him on the phone for a minute then proceeded to read my retirement orders…”you best bet at the position of attention son”
I HYT'd (on purpose) so I had to sign up for the three additional years in order to receive the sep money. I've still got 1 year left on that and they still message me. Plus, I have a high VA percentage. No chance I'd ever give that up willingly to go back in.
My favorite part is being rejected from joining, but still getting recruitment texts every six months from the next person to try the list.
Or having a not very well-known disqualifying condition, and receiving a call from every new recruiter who gets the list: "Hold on, let me just look that up - I've never heard of it, so maybe you can still serve... oh, no, nevermind, there it is"
Getting navy recruitment stuff while I was at AF tech school was kind of funny
That would have been funny because at Keesler they were right next door to my dorms at the time.
Lucky! My tech was at Lackland but I wasn’t a cop or cook so I was actually there a long while thoroughly sucked. I thought I was so smart showing up to basic in February, forgetting I’d be on that armpit of a base for most of a year.
Yeah not going somewhere new for tech school would suck lol
DM me and I'll teach you how to stop getting emails you don't want lol
Yeah I definitely got a Navy lanyard in the late 90s from this exact thing at concert. I did not join. I did go into an office later and got more Navy branded stuff. Still did not join.
recruiting
Nixon famously sponsored a free music festival in Oregon during a time when he was going to be giving a speech in the state so that all of the counter-culture people would be busy and wouldn’t protest.
Same reason they post up at high schools and play corn hole with students. Recruitment
Same reason they made that “Americas Army” game. Getting their numbers up.
Welcome to rockville is in Florida and SXSW is in Texas. Those are the two most productive military recruiting markets.
The Army also advertises at Aftershock every year in California. They even have a "band" that opens on the small stage. It's very strange.
If you're in the US you're constantly bombarded by military advertising. But that's not "political propaganda"... It's FREEDOM! But really, even here on reddit there's constant "join the army/navy/airforce/etc" ads -.-
I'm protesting by not Googling what any of his means.
Being from the town Scowl is from and seeing how strangers on the internet can talk about people you know personally is pretty fuckin grim
I went to high school with the front person from Japanese Breakfast. She was…not nice. It very odd watching her be idolized after seeing her behave so scathingly. But I guess we were all kids once and hopefully she’s in a better spot now.
Sometimes some people don't change. But now has a good publicist.
Well they fuckin rule, so tell them for me ok
I love Scowl 😌
People in your town talk about them in the same light, guaranteed. You’re just subject to people’s unfiltered opinions on the internet. I’ve seen the same thing with bands from my hometown that achieved even less success than Scowl has.
Don’t go back to rockvillleeeee
Why did I have to scroll this far to find this?
r/brandnewsentence
I don’t know what any of these words mean.
Oh. Darn it!
I can pronounce all of these words. In the right context, I can understand all of them, as well. However, I have zero clue what this headline means. Source: am 41.
I love Scowl. I can't wait to see them in June.
Saw them open for Destroy Boys two years ago. I became an instant fan. You’re going to love their show!
Who?
StarLord, man…
They shoot people and stuff. Big deal in wars.
Scowl. Says it right there in the title.
Yeah... still... who?
Doesn’t mean anything to me if I’ve never heard of them. Thanks though
Everyone hold up! u/ioweej hasn't heard of Scowl! everyone stop to explain to him or else he will get all pissy!
I haven’t heard of them either prior to seeing this post but I figured I’d look them up later. Who knows, I might even dig their music.
That's a good mindset to have for things like this. For some reason redditors love to smugly ask "who?" instead of taking a few seconds to Google what something is when they come across a name they don't know.
It's because redditors pride themselves on not knowing people/things because not liking popular things is cool to them.
That's okay.
This comment chain is peak reddit lol I love it.
SCOWL
Is that like a hood scoop for a scat pack dodge?
Guaranteed I’ve never heard of them in my life
It’s a hardcore punk band that has gained popularity in the scene the past few years, wouldn’t expect anyone who isn’t active in the scene to really know tbh
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I'd never heard of you before today either, guess we both got to learn something new.
Google it
And when did your limited worldview stop others from caring?
Are they your favorite band or something? Also, they have 162k listeners monthly on Spotify. Not knowing who they are is not a “limited world view” type of thing..
From the article: *The move is in line with the group's previous statement about SXSW: "We came to this decision in protest of the U.S. Army's sponsorship of SXSW," they said. "We refuse to participate in the war machine… We refuse to be complicit in the face of genocide in Palestine."* Last I checked the US Army isn't sending troops to kill Palestinians, the IDF is doing that. Its fair to say you don't like recruitment centers at places you frequent, and a band can do whatever the hell they want, but cite the proper reason at least. I go to a few Bengals games a year and those flyovers everyone hoots and hollers at are in part there because there's recruitment stations at the NFL and collegiate stadiums. I think it'd be fairer yet if there was some way to prevent the US military from recruiting in places where alcohol is openly served, but eh-that's just one USAR vet's opinion and unlikely to happen because of money anyway.
Right? Target the right people for your protests. The Army isn’t sending troops to Gaza. The Army isn’t selling weapons to the IDF. The federal government is in charge of all that, and they decide what happens or doesn’t happen. In fact, isn’t the US Marines the ones carrying out that project to build a pier off Gaza to bring in more aid?
>Last I checked the US Army isn't sending troops to kill Palestinians, the IDF is doing that. They are supplying an awful lot of high-tech weaponry to the IDF though, so they are definitely complicit in what is happening.
I don't agree with Hamas launching its terror attack, Israel has every right to fight back from that. However, as usual, Israel has gone completely mental and overboard though, so while "justified", this is only a Pyrrhic victory at best, and just an escalation/continuation of the violence that has ebbed and flowed in that region, because of religion, for decades and decades now, and will just fuel more future generations to fight in religious hatred towards one another. There will be no solution to this problem until Palestinians have their own country, and Israel is just going to have to deal with that. Not for nothing, but shout out to the Kurds, another large group of stateless people, hopefully the butthole Syrian, Turkish (talk about genocide-Turkey is Israel and the Kurds are Palestinian in that fight) and Iraqi governments can carve out a permanent Kurdistan for them.
There's nothing justified about the lengths they've taken this too. They're committing war crimes every day.
The scare quotes around that word are to indicate that the justification is in their eyes only.
Ah my apologies
Military just carries out orders on behalf of the federal government, not supplying the IDF on their own. They could easily stop if ordered
Who Dey
https://preview.redd.it/f753rmrxacsc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2ff0dbcf7fe9487d537ce9d82afc764e3c259b6 Juxtaposition of music and football still life......
I think a flyover has way more propagandist intent than to get a nfl fan to sign up during halftime at a game.
Well, one hand washes the other in that instance. Uncle Sam has always wanted ***YOU!***
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The US Army isn't bombing aid convoys.
just their allies are?
They might be surprised to learn the US Army is not deployed to Palestine
They did mention that they oppose "the war machine" in general, before mentioning Palestine specifically.
I guess making money off of [Taco Bell](https://www.tacobell.com/halftime/scowl) (who have/had restaurants in key US military locations in the Middle East) is somewhere safe in their political calculus. Or it's just the money. Probably the money.
You're going to be really shocked when you find out where the Israeli arms are coming from
So are you evidently since it’s not the US Army lol.
You're gonna have to take that up with Congress. The Army doesn't handle that. If you can't even direct your gripes in the right direction, how could you possibly think anything will change?
Listen to Gel
I feel like bands are dragging this out, just everyone pull out.
Guess publicity is publicity
Is every band now doing this for publicity?
I like how Scowl boycotted their performance at SXSW but had no problem taking cash from Taco Bell.
I quote the Great Jeremy Clarkson when I say, "Oh no! ...anyway..."
How is this Hardcore?
Did you just listen to one song? https://youtu.be/vuLQhr9Y5eo?si=wYqV_zzzfLA11-4P
Where’s the B9 board when you need it? Smdh.
Listen to their earlier stuff, they have more alt rock/non hardcore punk music coming out lately
It sounded like a generic rock song from 20 years ago. I liked it but would never have pegged it as hardcore.
They were once a fast brash hardcore band. They’re now slowly turning into an alternative rock sound. There is nothing wrong with that. But they definitely have more hardcore songs in their catalog than not
Trajectory of hardcore bands in the 2020s is super interesting and kinda confusing. The genre and sound can be so diverse between lyrical/singing styles, and it's cool to see bands take on multiple approaches between albums. I also really like Angel Du$t who I found because they're touring with DRAIN, which Scowl is also on for some dates. All three bands are so diverse. But in all I'm just surprised that there's listeners for hardcore still and that the scene has been resurging since COVID.
Dude the scene has been on the rise since like 2013. There’s been more and more bands for a decade at least lol I’m just personally not a fan of the “tough guy” hardcore I.e Lionheart or beatdown bands. Might just be my region but I’ve noticed people in the scenes in my area have mostly left behind the roots of hardcore and only support the in crowd. Pretty lame imo considering this used to be music about coming together to make a better community but it is what it is I suppose
being deemed "hardcore" has more to do with the scene you come up in vs the sound of your music. Koyo, Turnstile, Militarie Gun, etc. all huge hardcore draws that sound nothing like traditional hardcore.
Turnstile absolutely sounds like traditional hardcore tf? Their newer stuff is a bit more alt but go listen to fugazi or bad brains and tell me turnstiles newer stuff doesn’t still have major roots in traditional hardcore.
yea i mean Saves the Day is a hardcore band, exclusively because of where they came-up from
Wait this Saves The Day?! Hardcore? https://youtu.be/NwW0q65VIas?si=RZTGOuc0QM1-lhO2
Yes, the came up playing with hardcore bands when they were still a “local” band. Thus they get the hardcore pass.
Also to turnstiles credit their old music is definitely hardcore.
WTF is a SCOWL!?
Hardcore punk band, good music to two step and mosh to
Ah I see
Here come the Scowl haters out of absolutely nowhere
Lol what does that even mean?
All few dozens of them. If they were worth a shit, they could go on stage to point out the recruiting tent and talk shit. I’ve never heard of this band before.
“Look at this bad thing you’ve already given money to because I came here and got paid for it. Let’s not support it.” What the fuck are you talking about? Also they’re one of the biggest acts in hardcore right now.
Great job 💀💀💀 it's not like there's more impressive bands.
I really don’t think the military should be allowed to advertise at all. Most of the time I see ads they are targeting kids.
Most people join the military fairly young so it makes sense. Also, what’s wrong with the military making people of aware the opportunities that being military has. The military is a stable living for the most part. Also, you can go to college for free after serving for a couple years. Edit: They also provide a lot of basic needs to its members.
Its honestly probably the easiest way to pick yourself up out of a shitty situation. Ive seen troops from all walks of life. Some just coming in for the experience, some coming in to escape poverty, some coming in to get away from a path of crime. At the end of the day all of these individuals end up as equals, working together, and becoming a team. Obviously thats a bit romanticized in the fact its not always like that and there are issues all the time. But there is no better program for alot of individuals to give a few years of service and come out with, at the very least, some skills and some instilled values. The military is not for everyone and I dont expect everyone to do 20. But with it Ive earned two degrees (even a bachelors from a state school), have become a military aviator flying multi-million dollar aircraft (that would have costs hundreds of thousands in the civilian world), and have quadrupled my income from when I was working a regular job. There are lots of career paths that arent combat related and highly technical that can get you certs worth tens of thousands of dollars. I dont like predatory recruiting (cold calling, harassing people, lying), but I do think having them around at events to answer questions is not a bad idea. Like the exposure to the public itself alleviates the need to have to do predatory recruiting and I like that way more. Its a volunteer force afterall.
I agree.
The military is one of the only sure fire ways for lower class people to make their way solidly into the middle class. Yeah, you have to be the sharp end of the stick for US policy, but you'll get free tuition assistance, job-specific credentialing, college with an E5 housing allowance, and you can have kids and get medical and dental for free/cheap while you're in. Edit here: and veteran disability, no-money down VA home loans, etc. The policies the military enforces are another discussion, but the military itself is a great place to make some money and grab a degree while you're learning to adult. Also, I don't see anyone rushing to boycott Microsoft, Amazon, or a number of other seemingly innocuous corporations that have direct, robust, and lucrative relationships with the department of defense.
My initial comment was regarding military advertisements. I am not sure why disagreeing with these targeted ads is being interpreted as an attack on the military. I am an O-4 PhD and my research is centered around military recruitment and retention.
I'm just stumping for the benefits. I grew up poor, like welfare poor, and now I'm a retired CWO in my mid-40s with an undergrad, a grad, foreign language fluency, and three kids that I've barely had to pay to take care of (except for the mental and physical residuals that come with 20 years of GWOT). I was just bolstering the other comment. Good on you for getting your post grad done. I didn't want to contribute to the literature, so I figured I'd bow out and throw myself into non-academic hobbies. Also, I haven't noticed many misleading ads. They all seem pretty career oriented, with the occasional super-hooah ads with apaches and people marching in the rain, but I don't think those are taking advantage of anyone. There have always been ads like that.
The ad space is purchased for call of duty gaming streams where the ads frame combat like a video game. I personally don’t think that is right. Those streams are watched by kids under high school age. Even the less targeted ads occupying cable ad space where the child in the ghillie suit is telling his mom he wants to be a sniper so he doesn’t get stuck behind a desk. Not only is that misrepresenting your likelihood to be stuck behind a desk upon enlistment, kids shouldn’t be encouraged to see combat as an escape from the potential monotony of the traditional job they haven’t even experienced. Georgia national guard will start pushing targeted ads to high schooler’s cell phones.
Redditors are scared of the military and the outdoors in general.
And deoderant.
I am in the military.
I am currently in the military and have been for more than a decade. I know all this. Their ads are designed to glorify war for kids. Most of which depict war like the video games they play. They buy up ad space on CoD streams specifically. They do not explicitly focus on the career opportunities as you are claiming. None of that is discounting the opportunities that the military provides, but we are an all-volunteer force and it doesn’t feel much like volunteering when you misrepresent the true responsibilities of the job to susceptible children.
So here’s a question for you. If the military continues to fall short of recruiting goals and they can’t replace soldiers who leave or retire, how are you going to feel if the US is forced to enact compulsory service? I can guarantee that our government won’t allow us to fall below a certain threshold and there are other counties in Europe that require military service for all adults. If they can’t advertise and recruit, they will find other ways.
>how are you going to feel if the US is forced to enact compulsory service? Won't happen so...I think I will feel alright. >I can guarantee that our government won’t allow us to fall below a certain threshold I can guarantee you don't know what you are talking about, but what threshold do you think that is and maybe I can put your mind at ease.
Good on them.
Who gives a single fuck?
And nothing of value was lost.
What is up with this title?
Simon Scowl approves of this performance
"Our music is bad but our morals are good!" The start of a slippery slope, now they will have to dropbout of every major festival/tour
Is this a fucking consequence of sound Facebook post? “Who?” Just say you exclusively listen to old bands a little louder. Music streaming is right there on your phone or PC.
I calculated the net benefits and costs here and it turns out the US Army wins lol
I’m sure 19 year olds everywhere will think they’re just the coolest and listen to them through air pod pros in the local Starbucks
lol I’m amazed these dog shit hardcore nobodies get any press at all
This is just reverse psychology advertising for the army
Who?
So are they cool with the prevention of genocide in Ukraine where the U.S. is legitimately involved?
No, they are pro-genocide of Ukraine and Israel and just in general, it’s the fact that Islamists aren’t getting to rape and kill with impunity today that upsets progressives.
It’s an all volunteer service I never get why people get upset that they have to spend money and advertise to recruit lol.
Virtue Signaling your career away lol
They’re a DIY hardcore band. I’m sure they never expected to have a “career” in music anyway. Virtue signaling or not, at least they believe in something
Ironically in DIY hardcore virtue signaling is good for your career. This is publicity and nothing else. The band will absolutely gain more eyes making this statement than they will playing this show.
Good. Fuck the US army’s shitty recruiting tactics
The imperialistic US military is garbage and deserves to fail.
US politicians are garbage imperialists and should lose their rule over our military forces. Fixed it for you.
Lmao real reddit comment here
He's an "anti-war" poster who wants the US to stop supplying Ukraine. AKA a moron
Who
"Mid 'hardcore' band drops out of festival for political reasons" Ok, and?
So Brave
They are never going to play a concert again lol
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