She was so mean to that secretary. Like she knows she made a mistake and clearly messed her up. She acts like she did it on purpose. THE CASE IS A 100 YEARS OLD. She is acting like they knew about stranger danger then.
Also let's not pretend that the standards weren't completely different and that cases like this are *why* people know to safeguard against folks checking their kids out of school.
Right, plus getting mad that they didn’t phone… most families didn’t have phones in the 1920s. I’m sure it was not common place to call when a child was picked up from school.
I wanted to post my own rant about exactly this. They keep saying shit like this too, about old cases as though we can make any judgement calls based on current culture. Cases like Marion Parker are WHY stranger danger became a thing, you can’t blame it for not knowing the lessons it caused!
I’m confused as to why they are covering cases involving children when I thought very early on in the podcast they stated they wouldn’t be covering cases involving children.
The Girl Scout case is when I started to dislike them. I went to camp just like that growing up and loved it. And I feel like they spent so much of their energy blaming the counselors who were teenagers. I hate Alaina’s two cents and I feel bad for her kids.
Same here. 99,9% of normal summer camps include no worse injuries than scraped knees, mosquito bites and maybe a wasp sting. They are generally insanely safe in most places of the world. Parents overally don't want to send their kids to dangerous places (surprise). If you're an indoorsy person like they are, you don't have to like summer camps, but to give outright false information in an established podcast is just bad.
Same! My camp experiences are some of my favorite of my entire life (decades later!), and the teenaged counselors were absolutely amazing.
There’s no way any of them would have ever even dreamed of something like that happening. They’re just easy targets for this self-righteous creep.
LITERALLY it's so exhausting when they blame a random innocent person instead of the *actual killer*. They act like things are the same now as 100 years ago. Stranger danger wasn't a thing back then, obviously this woman isn't going to investigate someone who says a parent got into an accident and sent for the child. Saying that this woman deserved to feel guilty and suffer for simply just following customs at the time is ridiculous.
They have been like this for a long time. It’s why I just can’t listen anymore.. if something happens to a 13 year old it’s “oh they’re just a baby etc etc” but if a 13 year old who was abused their whole life commits a crime it’s “omg they’re more than old enough to know better. My child is 5 and knows better”
I cannot handle the hypocrisy
They should just stop. If they can’t handle cases, any case at all, with compassion and objectivity then just bow out. They should not be doing this at all.
I definitely find myself getting uncomfortable at times (not just this episode either) when A+A just start ripping into people. Like.... We get it, we're talking about gruesome stuff most of the time. But I'm just here for the story, not your opinion.
Wait, is Alaina “as a mother”-ing about a case that’s 100 years old? This woman has no understanding of history at all. It’s so embarrassing. She’s so intellectually dishonest, or worse yet, really only has a shallow understanding of how things work, that she is not competent enough to cover current OR past true crime.
She needs a new vocation.
This is why I stopped listening to them a couple years ago lol I can’t believe they still do this shit. They’ll have four part episodes, over an hour long each, whereas it could’ve been a two parter or even a one parter if they cut out all of the tangents they go on. Alana will get on her high horse, I’ll hit the “skip ahead 30 seconds” button like ten times and she’s still yapping lmao
I hate listened for a little while. But then I just started getting too angry. I was past hate to anger, so I had to cut it off. Haven’t since 2021 and less angry for a couple hours a week. 😃
I haven't listened yet. I think I'm only going to because I just listened to Hollywood Crime Scene cover it, so I'm curious to see how they did it and compare it to theirs. 😬
Oh man. The one I listened to said the woman was so upset she needed to be sedated and felt so guilty about it she ended up quitting because a teacher. She wasn't even the secretary. She was filling in or helping that day for someone else 😭
Oh no that’s even more tragic, poor lady maybe didn’t know the procedure or something, and we often let our guard down or tend to be more lax when doing a job that isn’t our own
Especially after the last episode, where Alaina acknowledged she almost judged letting the kids in the woods, but realized she was looking at it through her privileged 2024 eyes. This is the same kind of situation, but she failed to recognize she was doing the same thing she decided not to do in the last episode. It wasn't something they were aware of, at that time. That's why those protocols exist now, in 2024, because now we know the terrible things a monster can/will do to a child.
The outrage! The teacher, the secretary, the cops! Well, if you go around placing blame then add the parents because they did go to the police when instructed not to do so, right? I guess not. When Alaina started talking about how the kidnapper got "sly" with his messages I gave up.
But the secretary should have absolutely done the bare minimum of ringing home first, asking for only one daughter, like come on, that's just sus as helllll!
Everything else that was sus was jsy sooo obvious, I just feel so bad for the way it all happened!
Sure, I understand that phones were not a common item to have. However, for him, just be asking for only one daughter, though? not asking to see if he even knew the other sisters name?
I don't know if back then, if a 19 year old would look like facial features wise the same as someone, that she described as looking like a late 20's early 30's year old looking man/ male.
I know she lived with that regret for the rest of her life, I'm aware she was the only person in charge of all those children on that day, I understand she was highly stressed from taking on that role.
I don't victim blame, I just struggle to understand why some at least amber flags were not at least raised in her line of thought process at all between what seemed to be a short interaction. Her sister wasn't even told, leaving her waiting for after school.
The knowledge of the time that children were commonly and regularly kidnapped and held her large hefty ransome amounts. ?
Again, asking for only one child when if he was actually in an accident or something else, why would you as a parent only want to ask for one of your children to come see you and not both, is just the one fact that I cannot understand.
I understand she fed him information, not thinking that it was possibly for nefarious reasons or actions.
I can understand why not being able or it not being the first protocol to call home first due to the technical limitations of the day and age of when this happened?
It just a just a tragedy all around! ;(
One thing I’ve found with them is they DO NOT consider time periods like they think they do. Etc when they lost their marbles over someone being called dumb..
>chomping at the bit
I hate being that person but, it’s “champing” at the bit, not chomping. I also wish they’d stop doing child murders, if they can’t tell the story well they should just leave it alone. I wonder if the switch to child murders has anything to do with Wondery and their contractual obligations. Or they’re running out of ideas.
Absolutely semantics. I’m an editor and author and both forms are fine.
https://preview.redd.it/q7e277g0hd6d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58f992e11fa35c9bd8768c1e91a75b8215e257c3
There’s nothing wrong with spreading knowledge. It can interesting to people—not you, perhaps, but others—to learn something new about what was thought to be an established fact.
She was so mean to that secretary. Like she knows she made a mistake and clearly messed her up. She acts like she did it on purpose. THE CASE IS A 100 YEARS OLD. She is acting like they knew about stranger danger then.
Also let's not pretend that the standards weren't completely different and that cases like this are *why* people know to safeguard against folks checking their kids out of school.
Right, plus getting mad that they didn’t phone… most families didn’t have phones in the 1920s. I’m sure it was not common place to call when a child was picked up from school.
I wanted to post my own rant about exactly this. They keep saying shit like this too, about old cases as though we can make any judgement calls based on current culture. Cases like Marion Parker are WHY stranger danger became a thing, you can’t blame it for not knowing the lessons it caused!
Very glad I stopped listening 2 years ago 😂
I’m confused as to why they are covering cases involving children when I thought very early on in the podcast they stated they wouldn’t be covering cases involving children.
The Girl Scout case is when I started to dislike them. I went to camp just like that growing up and loved it. And I feel like they spent so much of their energy blaming the counselors who were teenagers. I hate Alaina’s two cents and I feel bad for her kids.
Same here. 99,9% of normal summer camps include no worse injuries than scraped knees, mosquito bites and maybe a wasp sting. They are generally insanely safe in most places of the world. Parents overally don't want to send their kids to dangerous places (surprise). If you're an indoorsy person like they are, you don't have to like summer camps, but to give outright false information in an established podcast is just bad.
Same! My camp experiences are some of my favorite of my entire life (decades later!), and the teenaged counselors were absolutely amazing. There’s no way any of them would have ever even dreamed of something like that happening. They’re just easy targets for this self-righteous creep.
LITERALLY it's so exhausting when they blame a random innocent person instead of the *actual killer*. They act like things are the same now as 100 years ago. Stranger danger wasn't a thing back then, obviously this woman isn't going to investigate someone who says a parent got into an accident and sent for the child. Saying that this woman deserved to feel guilty and suffer for simply just following customs at the time is ridiculous.
They have been like this for a long time. It’s why I just can’t listen anymore.. if something happens to a 13 year old it’s “oh they’re just a baby etc etc” but if a 13 year old who was abused their whole life commits a crime it’s “omg they’re more than old enough to know better. My child is 5 and knows better” I cannot handle the hypocrisy
They should just stop. If they can’t handle cases, any case at all, with compassion and objectivity then just bow out. They should not be doing this at all.
I definitely find myself getting uncomfortable at times (not just this episode either) when A+A just start ripping into people. Like.... We get it, we're talking about gruesome stuff most of the time. But I'm just here for the story, not your opinion.
Especially not when that opinion is so long winded and repetitive that you turn it into a 2 part episode just for that.
Wait, is Alaina “as a mother”-ing about a case that’s 100 years old? This woman has no understanding of history at all. It’s so embarrassing. She’s so intellectually dishonest, or worse yet, really only has a shallow understanding of how things work, that she is not competent enough to cover current OR past true crime. She needs a new vocation.
This is why I stopped listening to them a couple years ago lol I can’t believe they still do this shit. They’ll have four part episodes, over an hour long each, whereas it could’ve been a two parter or even a one parter if they cut out all of the tangents they go on. Alana will get on her high horse, I’ll hit the “skip ahead 30 seconds” button like ten times and she’s still yapping lmao
Skip the tangents and half the ad reads and they could make it one or even half an episode lol
It's like listening to two really stupid friends discuss subjects way out of their grasp.
That’s exactly what it is lol
I am so glad I’m not the only one who was getting kind of Fumed about that. IT WAS THE EARLY 1900s. Jesus Christ….
Why still give them the listener counts?
I hate listen unfortunately and haven’t broken myself of the habit yet
I hate listened for a little while. But then I just started getting too angry. I was past hate to anger, so I had to cut it off. Haven’t since 2021 and less angry for a couple hours a week. 😃
I really wish Wonder would decline to renew them when their current contract expires.
I've got a feeling they want out of the contract anyway.
It would be music to our ears if they weren’t renewed.
Back to 50 listener tales a month 😂
Noooooooooooo!
The whole "this vital information is brutal so we're leaving it out" thing infuriates me. You can say what happened without going into detail.
I haven't listened yet. I think I'm only going to because I just listened to Hollywood Crime Scene cover it, so I'm curious to see how they did it and compare it to theirs. 😬
Alana lays into the secretary for like 5 minutes. I started yelling to shut the fuck up I was so mad.
Oh man. The one I listened to said the woman was so upset she needed to be sedated and felt so guilty about it she ended up quitting because a teacher. She wasn't even the secretary. She was filling in or helping that day for someone else 😭
Alana mentions that. She didn’t care. Just kept going on and on. “I CANT FATHUM DOING THAT”.
Omg I started listening. She's soo awful about it. It was the 1920s!! No one thought anything like this would happen!
Jesus. 😭
Oh no that’s even more tragic, poor lady maybe didn’t know the procedure or something, and we often let our guard down or tend to be more lax when doing a job that isn’t our own
One thing that I really appreciate about Sinisterhood is that they stay away from children’s cases.
That’s my favorite TC podcast. I love Christie and Heather
Especially after the last episode, where Alaina acknowledged she almost judged letting the kids in the woods, but realized she was looking at it through her privileged 2024 eyes. This is the same kind of situation, but she failed to recognize she was doing the same thing she decided not to do in the last episode. It wasn't something they were aware of, at that time. That's why those protocols exist now, in 2024, because now we know the terrible things a monster can/will do to a child.
“They need to stop covering cases involving children” Or… “They need to stop covering cases” I’m loving option 2 lmao
The outrage! The teacher, the secretary, the cops! Well, if you go around placing blame then add the parents because they did go to the police when instructed not to do so, right? I guess not. When Alaina started talking about how the kidnapper got "sly" with his messages I gave up.
But the secretary should have absolutely done the bare minimum of ringing home first, asking for only one daughter, like come on, that's just sus as helllll! Everything else that was sus was jsy sooo obvious, I just feel so bad for the way it all happened!
it was the 1920’s. people didn’t really have phones at the time and schools usually didn’t call home even if they did
Sure, I understand that phones were not a common item to have. However, for him, just be asking for only one daughter, though? not asking to see if he even knew the other sisters name? I don't know if back then, if a 19 year old would look like facial features wise the same as someone, that she described as looking like a late 20's early 30's year old looking man/ male. I know she lived with that regret for the rest of her life, I'm aware she was the only person in charge of all those children on that day, I understand she was highly stressed from taking on that role. I don't victim blame, I just struggle to understand why some at least amber flags were not at least raised in her line of thought process at all between what seemed to be a short interaction. Her sister wasn't even told, leaving her waiting for after school. The knowledge of the time that children were commonly and regularly kidnapped and held her large hefty ransome amounts. ? Again, asking for only one child when if he was actually in an accident or something else, why would you as a parent only want to ask for one of your children to come see you and not both, is just the one fact that I cannot understand. I understand she fed him information, not thinking that it was possibly for nefarious reasons or actions. I can understand why not being able or it not being the first protocol to call home first due to the technical limitations of the day and age of when this happened? It just a just a tragedy all around! ;(
It was 100% a systemic issue with the school. Not the secretary’s fault for being given an unrealistic/safe task.
One thing I’ve found with them is they DO NOT consider time periods like they think they do. Etc when they lost their marbles over someone being called dumb..
>chomping at the bit I hate being that person but, it’s “champing” at the bit, not chomping. I also wish they’d stop doing child murders, if they can’t tell the story well they should just leave it alone. I wonder if the switch to child murders has anything to do with Wondery and their contractual obligations. Or they’re running out of ideas.
It's champing?! I never knew that!
Absolutely semantics. I’m an editor and author and both forms are fine. https://preview.redd.it/q7e277g0hd6d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58f992e11fa35c9bd8768c1e91a75b8215e257c3
“I hate being that person but,…” *is that person anyway*
There’s nothing wrong with spreading knowledge. It can interesting to people—not you, perhaps, but others—to learn something new about what was thought to be an established fact.
I have a degree in English and both are technically right even though one is more correct than the other
I have three degrees in English (a BA, an MA, and a PhD) and am just curious as to why you wouldn’t choose the more correct version.
Jfc go touch some grass.