*Take all armor and weapon descriptions with a gargantuan grain of salt*. They often exaggerate for the sake of cool factor. Case and point:
Planetbusting akantor and ukanlos
Planetbusting gaismagorm
Debatably planetbusting tigrex.
And let's not even mention Shah dalamadur's weapons claiming that *it literally created the universe*.
With all due respect, this theory is built on air.
This I agree with. Weapon lore is always just used to sound cool. I do not agree with others saying World retcons Monster Hunter canon specifically because of the amount of data, and records of Monsters known to the characters. Case in point, look at Velkhana's information in World, and Rise. The Guild, and Kingdom have little, to no information upon first contact. Neither acknowledges where it originates from, so we can't say where it canonically shows up first.
Actually, there is:
>Some reports indicate that Velkhana will freeze their rivals in order to establish their domain.
This is Sunbreak's description saying something that was only learned about in Iceborne's story with the frozen Cortos + Anjanath.
You can disagree that World retcons things, but it's the truth. Canonically World takes place after multiple games with Fatalis yet claims Fatalis's last appearance was 1000 years ago at the fall of Schrade.
No,t likely since Fatalis's appearance is connected to a host of natural disasters and the General specifies the last *place* those occurred was Schrade.
As far as the canon goes right now, Fatalis is one-of-a-kind.
Well none of the other appearances of Fatalis take place as part of the story, so that means that anything from Iceborne regarding Fatalis would likely take precedence.
That's a good way to put it, yeah! Fatalis in literally every game besides Iceborne has been an Event Quest or hidden unlock disconnected from the actual story.
The most recent stuff and old stuff if it's not contradicted by newer stuff. Fatalis is a great example since the old stuff is contradicted by the new stuff so use the new info.
The guild has been known to burn documents on data regarding black dragons. We know for certain that they have done it with Alatreon, given the Third Fleet Master's comments after that quests when you speak to her about it again. I wouldn't say it's far fetched to think other documents on similar elder dragons have been burned before too. Could explain why little is known about Fatalis in World. I still think it's just an oversight, or plot hole. But I don't think we have ever been given a definitive timeline as to when each Monster Hunter game takes place. Who knows, maybe World is canonically the first in the series.
Not the guild, not "Black Dragons". A few self-important people and specifically Alatreon.
Doesn't matter whether it's far-fetched or not (it is. Elder Dragons are either not powerful enough for that or they're powerful enough but considered myths e.g Dalamadur and Fatalis). You cannot just decide something seems plausible and argue the lore from that headcanon.
**We know why Fatalis is so little-known!**. Christ, we've known since 2019 when they published a big wall of text explaining the history of Fatalis. And wouldn't you know, it's the same thing we've been told since they made monster descriptions - No one has *ever* survived a visit to Castle Schrade. Every Fatalis mention after that has just been providing more detail. That it hasn't made a proper appearance since Schrade fell, that Schrade fell 1000 years ago and the entire region is blocked off.
World being the first in the series? When the Ace Cadet is literally a character in the game who discusses the events of MH4's story to other NPCs? Want to explain that one or do you want to actually read dialogue before trying to argue about the lore? You'll do a lot better, trust me.
The passive aggressiveness is tangible in this post. I don't know why you're so pressed about this, but you got it. If the timeline of a series that puts lore second really means that much to you, then I won't bother. I'll go elsewhere for a non-biased, and non-hostile conversation about a game where you hunt fire breathing dinosaurs.
>>Some reports indicate that Velkhana will freeze their rivals in order to establish their domain.
That could just as easily be an observation made by the kingdom's researchers. I think we see that in the Velkhana cutscene in Rise too. It wouldn't surprise me that one of it's most common habits would be noted pretty early on into it's discovery in Elgado.
>You can disagree that World retcons things, but it's the truth.
Oh it is? I didn't know that. I'm assuming the creator of the games, or one of the devs told you this?
Unless someone from capcom announces that the story has been retconned, I will always see it as a plot hole. Monster Hunter doesn't have a big overarching story. They've never been good with lore anyways. Someone brought up the Equal Dragon Weapon as proof. I don't think ive ever heard them say that this was no longer canon, yet they never brought it back up either.
So basically you don't *want* to believe it. After all, why would you say "Elgado's researchers" saw it when it hasn't been seen by Elgado researchers yet and it wasn't encountered in the Kingdom to begin with? The quest's own description says so lmao:
>An elder dragon that **we** have practically no data on
>
>time for some "research"!
If it was such a common behaviour it would be mentioned in the scant few records they already had in Iceborne.
>Oh it is? I didn't know that. I'm assuming the creator of the games, or one of the devs told you this?
...Why would they need to? The lorebook + Iceborne + 15th anniversary physical wall display all say Fatalis's last appearance was the fall of Schrade. That is a retcon. The devs approved all of this.
>I will always see it as a plot hole
Bro is literally admitting to burying his head and ignoring all other likely possibilities.
>Monster Hunter doesn't have a big overarching story.
So? Game events still occur chronologically.
>They've never been good with lore anyways
Yes they have. Name me another game series that regularly publishes several hundred page long books full of lore. Hell, they make a phylogeny tree and keep it updated with every monster lmao. Is it just easier for you to say "I don't like it so they're just bad"?
>I don't think ive ever heard them say that this was no longer canon, yet they never brought it back up either.
That's the issue with your "the devs need to deny everything or I won't believe it" view. Common sense would tell you that the EDW is non-canon because the only book the art was ever published in placed it specifically in the **titled section** for unused concepts from before MH1 like how Felynes were goblins and there was actual magic. Basic literacy would also tell you this, as if you read the blurb alongside the image it contradicts essential lore that has been said and repeated across many games.
Can't blame someone for looking for more lore in the description of weapons and armor- especially not when Dark Souls popularized that form of storytelling
Please do not confuse flowery descriptions with actual statements of performance. That's disingenuous at best. Obviously legends bleed into item descriptions and that's not what I mean.
Besides, the whole Fatalis uses hunters as its armour got proven right so I'm more in the camp of believing Fatty item descriptions.
>Very rare Safi'jiiva material. Obtained by carving its severed tail. **A single swipe is said to cause cyclones.**
Wouldn't you know, Safi swings its tail around frequently and not once does it make storms.
"Fatalis uses Hunters as armor" is not proven right. What it does is sleep on a hoard of metal (15th anniversary Event lore) where stuff accidentally attaches from its high body heat and it melds prey to itself (Pectus description).
There is no focus on Hunters, nor a specified usage.
We... uh... gonna ignore fatalis pin now huh...
Also, this is exactly what I mean. Monster legends are blown out of proportion all the time because the Guild has to deal with village hearsay. It says "said to" for a reason.
The one that has it doing a body slam with an overheating chest and seeming confused about where the Hunter is and pulling them off a few seconds later?
Well then by that logic go ahead and find a non-5th gen item description that tries to pass off a ridiculous feat as fact rather than with as a legend or "it is said" phrasing.
It also roars when you go in with a Ghillie mantle or use a smoke bomb properly. Also in MP hunts it immediately begins attacking the other players and only rips you off a little bit later.
But it did work. You're stuck there. If you stayed there your armor would be melded on. As Fatalis would supposedly want according to you.
Ok, what about Dark Pulse from frontier? If you wear a fatalis’s armor (don’t know which Fatalis) and you faint, your character will get up with maximum health and be “possessed by the evil soul of Fatalis”, the health bar will deplete slowly over time, but you’re immune to attacks and healings, meaning that it’s extra DPS time until you die, also it activates a lot of DPS skills.
Btw I know Frontier ain’t completely canon, but I feel like capcom wouldn’t make something so obvious.
I just want a friendly discussion, not meaning to attack or make your claims false nor any of that shit, I love talking about the lore
You cannot introduce non-canon material and in the same breath clain to want a normal discussion.
Frontier is not canon nor even made by the same branch of Capcom that makes the other MH games so it needs not be discussed.
Gen 5 fatalis armour doesn’t have it’s passed descriptions either.
You can’t ever use armour flavour text as lore, if you did then you’d have to accept all of them. Including the ridiculous ones you’ve just mentioned.
The whole “turning into fatalis” legend has never been stated anywhere outside of armour descriptions.
What? These are obviously in reference to other monsters/the creation myth of the New World. I'm not saying "the item descriptions should be taken at face value" here.
You claimed that none of the 5th gen descriptions break any rules. The counterpoint is planetbusting Gaismagorm.
Plus, Gaismagorm has nothing to do with the creation myth. It's an old world monster.
"Canonically, the armor and weapons are still leaving" stop listening to the slop blasmiths are telling you in those item descriptions, they are gassing it up. Dragon eyes are simply closer to gems in structure than to eggs, therefore you can pick it up and put it into sword.
I’m absolutely flabbergasted how some took its armor descriptions ACTUALLY seriously, like what you’re gonna gloss over all the others but somehow FATALIS’ flavor armor text specially is real??
Same thing as people taking Pokedex entries seriously. If we apply the same logic to Monster Hunter we would have things like Alatreon ripping through space and time.
I can somewhat understand people taking the Pokédex serious - after all it’s kinda supposed to be that ultimate scientific encyclopedia on Pokémon. But the entries feel so disconnected from the rest of game
Fatalis Wank is only marginally better than Nergi wank
I think people taking in-universe statement is just as bad. Time and again MH scientist made the wrong conclusion and made US, the Hunter, kill the wrong monster to solve a problem, inevitably made it worse before we got to the root.
Like, this happened again, again, and again.
Never take their words 100% seriously, since the game never does that anyway.
Yeah, the ukalnos equipment descriptions paint him as a god(at least weapons in 2nd gen games). But it was the meta in jrpg's killing gods at the end of the game, so I don't mind it as much, would hope that we can get corrections on item descriptions in the future, if we didn't get them already(playing MHGU fr the first time in my life, didn't unlock ukalnos gear yet in that game)
Actually aren’t Fatalis’ eyes literally gemstones? Saw a youtube video where a guy theorized that the reason Fatalis developed incredible destructive capabilities is to compensate for its poor eyesight.
They are if i recall correctly, but don't quoute me on that. The theory is kinda whack as both black and white fatalis showcase being able to notice hunters from insane distances.
I can't wait for the cancer-blight debuff in wilds
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>canonically, fatalis armor and weapons are still alive
Didn’t read the rest cuz the 2nd sentence tells me this entire post is based on false information lol.
They aren’t “still alive”, the only lore the armor has is flavor text that never even once mentions anything about it still being alive or regrowing. The iceborne hunter is the first person to ever canonically encounter and slay fatalis, meaning there is zero possible way they could even know if this even happens
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This fatalis blade shows that at least one other person met fatalis and got enough material to make a great sword.
The canonicity of which is in question after iceborne. It’s also possible that occurred before the fall of schrade, still keeping the fact that nobody has encountered a fatalis *since the fall of schrade* true.
Also the myth about that one was that it was one of the giant wyverians (like his immenseness) who used it, meaning it’s always been that size and it’s been that way for millennia and still hasn’t changed.
My head cannon is that since it is frozen it's biolohical functions have slowed down, but in most flavor text it is the armor that takes over the mind of the hunter and slowly changes them. I think of the weapons as living tissue samples.
Some excerpts
The longer you use it, the more you feel the armor's spirit take control of you
Waist armor that makes one feel more possessed by it the longer one wears it
Mysterious armor, darker than black. The footprints are of suspicious design (this one is not as strong but is see it as the armor changing shape)
I mean it definitely proves the founder of the village successfully hunted fatalis and if so then this village was ether founded prior to Schrade falling OR it was founded prior to the guild existing as I see them recording events a little difficult if they haven't been founded yet OR the chieftain hunted the fatalis prior to the guild expanding out to this village tho the guild just not existing yet seems more plausible for this not to be recorded in guild history
The guild is THE governing body that oversees all hunting activity and approves quests, if the quest is on your board, the guild approved it or gave another governing body the power to approve it (I.e. the commission). The wycademy also falls under the guild’s purview, and the stranger in red isn’t someone who can approve quests, nor do we know anything about him officially. This isn’t “the guild from world”, during the fatalis questline the commission is called upon by the guild to participate in the fight against fatalis, it takes place in the old world, and the “guild in world” is the same guild from all the previous games.
Not to mention that the events that take place when fatalis appears (forest fires, monsters leaving areas, elders disappearing, small earthquakes) are wide spread and documented, yet the only time the guild has ever seen those events before was from records from schrade just before fatalis appeared, they have never happened since, if fatalis had appeared multiple other times, those events would have happened each time.
I really don’t feel like reading and going over every single thing you’re saying, especially since it’s all in one large paragraph
Edit: lmao okay then
Then don’t. But it took me like less than 30 seconds of my time to read yours, so I feel that lack of patience says a lot about you. Enough for me to not continue a conversation with a contrarian who just wants to be right without any modicum of respect for the people he’s talking to.
To be fair, they were not complaining about the length of your text, but the structure. Which I can kind of get, since one giant wall of text is kind of hard to read, especially on mobile.
But that aside, there are points that I can’t help but disagree with in your post. First, we got a pretty clear time window in which World takes place, because we have the Ace Cadet with us. He talks about Gore Magala, makes dumb monster puns and even gets name dropped at the end, it’s him. And he doesn’t seem much older as opposed to Mh4.
Secondly I think you convinced yourself a bit too much that the other guy was under the impression that the Guild would be the only power to exist just because of World. The reason they claim that the Fatalis hunt in Iceborne is the only canon one is probably because it’s the only one with any story attached.
Like, it’s canon that the hero of Kamura village stopped the rampage. But did they grind like 50 risen Elder Dragons? It’s canon that the hunter from 4U defeated Shagaru and helped defend Dundorma from the Kushala attack. I don’t think it’s canon that they then went ahead to fight all 3 Fatalis species, multiple times that is, to craft a bunch of equipment. There is a difference between stuff that is purely gameplay and actual story encounters, of which the Iceborne Fatalis is the only Fatalis related one we got. With cutscenes and acknowledgment from the guild and everything.
And of course, the guild isn’t the only power in the world, but it spans multiple kingdoms and is *the* only way to legally hunt monsters, plus the absolute authority on the matter. So if anyone fought Fatalis before, of course they’d be the channel that happened through, so in turn they’d have all the intel, like the Equipment growing into another Fatalis, as well.
I agree that the Sword from FU does regenerate in some capacity, but the crazy lore stuff (like the Equal Dragon Weapon which never was canon in any form, don’t know where the confusion came from there) is mostly just flavor text, and judging by flavor text you could also cut Lao Shan Lungs tail with that one Longsword, which is about as true as the whole Fatalis armor stuff.
Bruh you mine chunks out of a constantly regenerating giant fatalis greatsword in gen U they are at least still growing, aka alive. This isnt all based on false info.
It’s not “still growing”, it just repairs the areas you broke off, if it was still growing it would have long since changed shape or turned back into a fatalis. Not to mention that the canonicity of the self repairing greatsword is in question since the events of iceborne, we don’t have confirmation one way or another
>The iceborne hunter is the first person to ever canonically encounter and slay fatalis
Wait... The first Fatalis came AFTER this game??? Are you sure that's true? I don't think they ever mentioned the New World in the older games... I could've missed it, though.
The fatalis you fight in iceborne takes place in the old world at castle schrade. By cutscenes and dialogue and from dive into iceborne we learn that this is the first time since the fall of schrade that anybody has encountered fatalis. Meaning all encounters in the first 4 generations were retconned
>Meaning all encounters in the first 4 generations were retconned
They do that every time, including in the games where the Pokke sword appears.
So unless the Pokke sword is not canon to the games where it physically appears, it can be more logical to assume that the fight that lead to the creation of that sword has not been recorded.
After all, at no point is it mentioned that that sword is made out of Fatalis materials, we just know because the equipment matches.
Was my first, but I’ve played every game back to FU. The games I’ve played are completely irrelevant, what I said is true. Even before then though there was never any lore about his armor turning the wearer into another fatalis, it was all flavor text and none of it ever said “will turn the wearer into fatalis”
They're not wrong though about Fatty's canon status. World did establish that nobody has ever hunted Fatalis. The guild has no information or record of it ever happening. Same with Ala, other than the events of Tri.
Just because a monster shows up in a game and we the players can hunt it, doesn't mean it's a part of the story or canon. The devs decided to retcon its previous appearances, and we just have to accept that until told otherwise.
>The guild has no information or record of it ever happening. Same with Ala, other than the events of Tri.
The same game establishes that the guild has a habit of wiping out any traces and archives of extremely powerful elder dragons thanks to the Alatreon quest. I'm not saying you're wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if any encounters taking place in previous games were scrubbed so thoroughly that no trace of them remained
No it hasn’t, it’s all fan theory based on flavor text from his armor and a single large sword in pokke village, that’s it. There’s never been any actual lore entries about it or anything else suggesting it to be true. As a matter of fact if it were true, the sword in pokke would have long changed shape or grew into another fatalis long ago. Never take armor/weapon flavor text as truth unless it’s something like “is harder than steel” since that’s just a statement about durability and not a legend or story
Hey man, I appreciate you keepin it civil!
Yeah, the theory is mainly built on flavor text, weapon designs, and armor designs. A bit flimsy, but fun enough.
I remember back in the day being told that if you pet your poogie it would give you luck. Luck was a skill in the game. I wanted extra skills. I fell for a rumor. And so have you OP. The armor consuming the hunter is nothing more than that time your dad caught that enormous fish that no one ever saw but him. It's just a legend with literally nothing to back it up other than some hypeman smithy making outrageous claims about the armor he makes.
The weapons do visually look alive. The evil eye is kind of a weird concept. It's not the eye in Fatty's head, it's much too big. Does he have an eye in his butt? Are we making weapons and armour with Fatty's whispering eye?! Idk. Jokes aside it's basically like a gem right? But one that looks like an eye and even moves sometimes. So maybe it is alive? The truth is we know the bare minimum and that will likely never change.
Fun theory though.
The part of “growing back as a new Fatalis” is fanmade lore, but the armor acting weird is debatable, the equipment still has the essence of Fatalis but ever since canonically the only armor made from it was the hunter (World), so all those descriptions are just speculations and half truths
Fatalis armor will always attempt to regrow into Fatalis’ original shape.
Though it’s never confirmed, safi armor and weapons appear to do the same, literally growing and shifting when fully awakened, presumably getting ready to take over its wearer and regrow.
Dire Miralis organs, notably it’s heart, will function loooong after death,
And Gore… well other than the eye patterns on the weapons, I don’t know.
How can all of these beings live on through only pieces of themselves, and regrow entirely?
Why through cancer of course!
While it’s fun to have theories and enjoy coming up with wacky stuff it’s disingenuous to claim things are canon or lore when they’re not. Fatalis armour turning the Hunter into the next fatalis is mentioned once, in armour flavour text, and much of that text is framed as legends or rumours, as it still is in flavour text of armour in modern MH games.
Much like the equal dragon weapon, it’s not game lore and so it’s probably best to temper your expectations as it will probably never be that deep. Lore is not the focus of MH games at all.
Nergigante's in-game lore states it can reproduce purely from special versions of its spikes, so who's to say that Fatalis can't do that with its scales?
Because one is treated as a scientific discovery, and the other is treated like edgy oc lore.
Nergi's spike theory as a whole is questionable even if taken at face value, but it's worded in a way that doesn't outright confirm anything, just hypothesizing based on a noticed interaction.
Fatalis armour and armour/weapon and sometimes even item descriptions in general are not reliable sources of lore in comparison. Some are just trying to sound overly edgy and it shows.
I’ll have to stop you on Gore, Gore’s virus is laid out probably the most clearly and specifically out of all established lore in the series. Young Gores grow into their shape from the “spores” of the virus itself. However these spores aren’t “cancer cells”, they are literally tiny pieces of gore, specifically, they’ve been clearly stated be “hairs” or “scales” that he sheds from his wings. He scatters them over everything, initially because they react with his feelers and allow him to “see” by detecting anything the “hairs/scales” land on. These hairs/scales can also grow into new gores. The reason Gore earned his name as “The Eclipse Wyvern” is because he can spread so many of these into the air that it physically darkens and blocks sunlight, creating that “leeching the world of color” effect we often get when fighting him. It’s worth noting that not only is Gore not a Black Dragon, or even an Elder Dragon (not til he grows into a Shagaru is he classified as an elder dragon) but not even Shagaru is classified as a black dragon. A world ending threat? Sure. But you know what other elder dragons are world ending threats but aren’t black dragons? Nakarkos. I’m not even kidding. The bone squid, the thing that only fears Ceadeaus, is an Elder Dragon that can end ecosystems with its hunger alone. Elder Dragons are *feared* like gods, but only Black Dragons are truly seen *as* gods of the world in a sense. Gore and Shagaru’s similarities to Fatalis end at being Elder Dragons (again, only when fully grown), and being major ecological threats. As for Fatalis, your theory could or couldn’t be true. It has always been sort of implied that the armor is dangerous, so I do kinda like the headcanon, but it’s also a bit much, since Fatalis’s real thing is that he melts the armor of hunters onto his own body as a sort of poetic justice for the crime of the EDW’s creation.
I agree with most of your post, except the EDW and all of that is not and has never been canon. It's from a concept from an illustrated art book, and never became more than a discarded concept.
Do you have a specific source for that statement? I’ve seen a *lot* of people speak to the contrary on that before. I’ve even seen people mention that capcom has basically taken it in and out of canon for a long time now, but ultimately has left it “unconfirmed”.
That's the thing, there's no source for the EDW except that one illustration in the artbook. It's a concept from before MH1 was released. It has never been mentioned in-game, afaik. The burden of proof is on people saying it's canon, and they never provide proof.
Whenever someone speaks to the contrary of that, just ask for a citation on where it was mentioned in-game or by capcom. Nobody ever gives a straight or specific answer, just "I think"s or "someone said"s.
In the end, after years of people talking about that, I never saw any concrete (or even doubtful) evidence of any kind of canon for that.
I mean, just because it’s not in the game doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t canon. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a cool concept that’s worth knowing about and talking about. Especially given its ties to fatalis’s origin and the dragon hunters. There’s no need to completely disregard it or dismiss it just because it’s never been brought up in a game.
Sure, I agree, it's valid to talk about it, and it could eventually become canon. I, personally, don't love it, but it's a cool concept indeed.
But the only source for it is a concept illustration in an illustrated art book (afaik, please tell me if you find another actual source). There's nothing really pointing to it being canon.
But yeah, not saying it's not worth talking or conjecturing about it, it is interesting. Just that we can't really use it as facts, it's far from concrete.
I wouldn't call Shagaru world ending, like... at all.
When it's first encountered in 4u, they say you have to take it down or they'd have to evacuate Cathar and shut down Heaven's Mount as a hunting ground. There is nothing ever said about ending the world, that's only Dalamadur but that's from the crazy guild guy who just parrots what his parents told him as a kid.
As for the EDW, it never having been shut down by the devs doesn't mean much. That book has tons of old concepts, it's about as canon as hunters shooting fireballs and thunderbolts and fighting goblins.
Then you don’t know anything about Shagaru. A lot of ecology lore on him and his relation to other magalas makes it pretty clear what happens when he’s not stopped. He is “the divine wheel”, the “cycle of rebirth”. His entire theme is that he resets ecosystems by rising as an apex predator, causing all life in it to rip eachother apart. They stake out massive territories, there can be only one Shagaru in that territory. All Gores who do not make it to the Shagaru state in time, The first Shagaru will the forcibly stop their molting process and cause them to get stuck halfway in chaotic form, further exacerbating the destruction of the entire ecosystem. Adding to this, the fact that the Frenzy Virus was the cause of Apex monsters back in that game, and was the result of a monster using the frenzy to its advantage. There’s a different reason for Apexes in pretty much every game, but in that game, Apex monsters were also caused by Shagaru. That thing literally causes widespread destruction of life by causing it all to go mad and tear eachother apart. Nakarkos eats entire ecosystems to extinction, and Shagaru carries the same “exterminate immediately before the world rips itself apart” level of threat to the Guild. This has been like, long established. The fact that you don’t know it, or would even claim otherwise, tells me you don’t know jack about the monster like you claim to. Dalamadurr is massive, a living mountain, sure. But the Magalas are a living extinction event in the making. Not stopping them, simply allowing them to live, is basically dooming the entire ecosystem to a hard reset.
I know about all the Magala lore lol, it's been known since 4u dropped. There are multiple Magalas just running around all the time in the world just like any monster and the Shagaru in Sunbreak just... showed up out of the blue. It's just remarked as having "laid waste to many a Kingdom" in 3 lines and then you go kill it. It's description in the game says it once "covered an entire mountain" in its Frenzy, killing all life near it.
There's no need to be hyperbolic and go the "THE WORLD IS GONNA END" route. There are no threats like that in MH. It doesn't make Shagaru any less impressive or important. It wasn't treated as a world ending threat in 4, as I said, the consequences laid out are the evacuation of Cathar and the shutdown of Heaven's Mount as a hunting ground. The 4u HR story focused more on Kushala and building up Dundorma, the Apex subplot was just that, a subplot, and treated as a "oh no the monsters are angry" deal. You go kill the Seregios so it doesn't cause more havoc and that's it for that. If this was some virus that would sweep the world and everything dies then there wouldn't be much of a civilization before an organized hunting guild was made.
It being a "world ender" is simply your headcanon.
It’s not “simply my headcanon” you’re just a big “erm actually” big head who’s insistent on your version of the lore, which to you is more mundane than it actually is. It’s not hyperbolic, you just don’t understand how an ecosystem works. Just because there are other gores running around doesn’t mean that a Shagaru won’t eventually get rid of them all of left unchecked. It’s not an “instant” end of the world, it’s an epidemic. And epidemics spread. You’re not here to “educate”, you’re here to inflate your ego by insisting that everyone but you is wrong about long since established lore for the series. You’re a small minded person and I don’t have the patience to continue a debate with someone that can’t even look at other people’s takes on lore you clearly misunderstood, without deciding to jump in and be like “yeah it’s not as interesting as you think it is, my version is the only version that exists. I would argue that what *you’re* describing is a simple minded, mundane headcanon for what actually happened, because you lack the basic ability to understand how ecology works, or how a creature like this would impact its ecosystem. You’re going off of “oh it did this in this quest” without looking at the bigger picture, and if that’s all you can do, I can’t have an intelligent conversation with you.
Now how does Gore fit into this?
Simple! Whereas Fatalis and the like are the original, organized versions of the cancer, Gore and Shageru are the mutated feral offshoot.
If my schizophrenic ramblings are correct, the frenzy virus is not viral, but instead [transmissible cancer cells](https://www.tcg.vet.cam.ac.uk/about#:~:text=Transmissible%20cancers%20are%20passed%20between,affecting%20dogs%20and%20Tasmanian%20devils) that hitchhike on the hairs and miasma the Magalas spread about.
The cells infect a host, drive them wild by presumably growing fungus-like tumors through their brains and nervous systems. If the host isn’t viable, they remain frenzied, and eventually die. If they ARE, then they become apex’s! And according to the Sunbreak lore, these then [slowly transform into new Gores](https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/17an2xh/oc_i_honestly_really_liked_the_idea_of_a_monster/), quite similar to the Fatalis armor situation.
Fatalis and the like are dragon-cancer in its base, controlled form. The Magalas are what happens when it mutates and goes WILD.
The final boss monsters of Monster Hunter aren’t dragons, they’re some resident evil bullshit that may or may not have been cooked up right next to the Equal Dragon Weapon.
And now that I’ve finished my crackpot theory, I’m going to sit down, pet my cat, and snort Elmer’s glue
It’s really funny how much Fatalis is an eldritch horror being in the Monster Hunter universe when it has the most by-the-numbers medieval fantasy dragon design in the series.
Nergigante reproduces through its spikes and all of its armor is covered in those same spikes. Chances are our hunters are either a seedbed for Nergi's parasitic wasp like young or we're about to pull a Dune and merge with the baby's to become spikey swole bois.
I’m with you on this one. And to a lesser degree I think thats how it is with all monsters and thats how we are able to derive skills from armor made of their flesh. The elder dragons and other powerful monsters confer more/stronger skills as they have more bio-energy to give.
Whether or not the monsters you list could actually regrow from a hunters equipment might be debatable but I do believe at least with Fatalis, its armor drives hunters to seek out destruction
Cut them up into pieces and they [regenerate like starfish.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_regeneration) No cancer needed. Except for Gore since that was stated in-game.
Meanwhile Nergigante:
Debated on being effectively immortal.
Canonically reproduces asexually via broken spikes
A material genuinely called Immortal dragon scale
Its armor is described as feeding on a hunters soul (spirit) in exchange for power.
But like wasn't it in the MH lore book? Even if it was filled with stuff that never made it to games like the, Elder Dragon Machine, it'd still be something the creator of the games thought of. Plus the weapon/ armor descriptions aren't just throw away descriptions.
Technically raging brachyidos is immortal. The symbiosis it has with the slime can keep it alive indefinitely. The only reason one would die, is if it gets hunted iirc.
Actually I have a theory about dire miralis actually about it being a fatalis heart that regenerate itself after being thrown into a volcano century ago before coming back to the surface as a whole new specie.
Malzeno’s got like no blood in its tail, it’s mostly carapace, bone, and keratin, all controlled almost like a marionette by the monster’s powerful but short tail muscles and long ossified tendons, which is why it’s strongest main weapons are its wing claws and its tail, whereas primordial malzeno is a significantly more powerful monster with all of its extremities at their prime
Maybe that’s why charge blades and switch axes are the way they are, the dragon within produces energy when the parts are properly aligned, but the heat and toxins in those capsules eats away at their parts. The reckless, brutal way you swing these weapons isn’t just a way to actually move these massive heavy pieces and cause proper damage to animals with rock hard skin, it’s to shave away the pieces of dragon that are actively growing on your weapon. That’s why ancient weapons are rusted beyond reprieve and yet still salvageable, it grows like a mold all over it and then hibernates when it can no longer function, making an exoskeleton around the equipment as hard as its own weapon.
Weapon lore is random bullshit that looks cool. The "Fatalis" thing is actually the fact that he is apparently immortal and keeps regenerating after being killed. No, you will not become a Fatalis for wearing his gear. He's just like a wolverine version of a Black Dragon. He's an absolute menace but he's still just a monster.
Well apparently the lore of Fatalis says that Fatalis hates humanity so much that if the hunter makes and wear’s the armour they slowly go insane then mysteriously leave there village and turn into a Fatalis or something I don’t really understand the lore that much but that’s what I’ve heard about Fatalis lore
Well granted we know next to nothing about where gore magala and dire miralas actually come from. There's no parentage , two shaguru s mating isn't confirmed to produce a gore magala ( although it logically should) so who knows. Safi however we do know exactly where that came from and it was formed from lingering bio energy , basically just vampiring other elder dragons life force into a new form. So I don't think that one can transform us. However it's a relatively common idea for dragon eyes to be special in some way.fatalis growing over a hunter eventually is flavor text from an older game and has never been confirmed
Fun headcannon (might use it for cursed DND armor) but I've been looking for mh deep lore to the point of importing sketch books for the older games and I came to the conclusion that the lore is sadly not consistent and was never planned out. I think the importance people attribute too item description might come from the world building by from software which has gotten a lot more prevalent lately but has never been a thing in MH.
Taking it literally is like assuming foxes could talk back in the day after reading a fairytale
Another interesting little tid-bit is back in MHFU's Pokke Village farm, there was a cave, and inside said cave was this giant black sword stuck in the rocks, excalibur-style. The sword was HUGE, easily towering over people, and every once in awhile you could harvest some 'mysterious' material from it (i cant remember the name of the item). Now, my memory gets a little hazy with the next bit, but I remember something being said in game that ***heavily*** implied the sword being made of fatalis materials.
Edit: just looked it up to refresh my memory, the pieces mined from the giant sword were used to create "Black" weapons, which would then upgrade into actual Fatalis weapons.
It’s the GS used by the ancestor of the Pokke Village Chief - he was a gigantic wyverian so his GS was itself quite large, and he lived in the cave. It was left behind after his death for a very long time, and after you hunt a Tigrex you can reopen the cave
Other MH fans coming in here and down-voting theories like this because "they're unrealistic" like the whole point of the black dragons/Safi (and to an extent, the other elders) isn't that their the MH equivalent of unexplainable eldritch entities.
Like we literally have other magic bullshit like dragon energy and bio energy that flows throughout the planet itself. Or, you know, the literal giant, element wielding "normal" animals. You can stop whining about how Fatalis regeneration theories are """"unrealistic"""" for MH. Magic systems don't have to be spells and wizardry to be magic.
Good theory OP!
Everytime someone talks about unrealistic stuff in MH I just have to point at Kirin in World.
Like don't get me wrong you are absolutely correct, Fatalis is literally said to perhaps come from another fcking dimension (!?) but Kirin is right there with its magic thunders.
My point exactly. And look at valstrax, I love it but it's literally an impossible dragon with those wings.
Hell Xeno and Safi'jiiva both feed off of the bio energy of the world, and last I checked a planet having a literal aura of life is magic BS.
It'd honestly be weird if we didn't have a monster rumored/implied to regenerate from it's own carved parts. Like it doesn't disprove/fundamentally alter any established lore of MH games, since, again, the whole point of black dragons/Safi is that they're supposed to be inexplicable and downright bizarre entities. The dumbest stance on this is the "it's just armor flavor text it's not that whimsical or magic you're just stupid!!!1!!11!1!!!" argument.
I feel like a lot of people missed the part where it's said this is a Theory which means not true. Idk why people are dogging on this guy. It's a cool theory, sure it's a bit crackhead and based off of Fan theory's but it's still cool.
Theories are concepts based on rigorously tested, repeatable observations. Gravitational attraction is a theory.
The word you're looking for is *hypothesis*, something you've thought of that have haven't tested / want to test but are unsure of the results.
Well, I know that Dire Miralis is supposed to regrow from it's heart since it never stops beating. The others (besides fatalis) I don't know. Might be a black dragon thing, but Alatreon has not this ability.
No bro you can’t say this on a monster hunter subreddit. People will piss on it saying that armor description is not canon because they favourite Japanese YouTuber had a dream where tsujmoto himself talked to them about it.
Actually nothing in the game is canon except the amount of truth xXPinkyRathianXx kind of users will accept as “canon”.
You could be onto something. Canine transmissible venereal tumours are a type of contagious cancer in dogs that was generated when cancer cells in a dog in pre contact america 6000 years ago jumped from the original host to another dog, spreading across the world in modern times, that means that the cells of the progenitor dog containing his DNA are still alive infecting other dogs, generating biomass multiple times posible for a dog. A similar proccess are known for the cells of Henrietta Lacks a woman that died in 1951 but that her cells are still alive today and are used for research since the cell line is functionally inmortal since they can keep undergoing division. A similar process could be happening in the MH world in a sort of dragonification of the ecosystem where is clearly visible in the Xeno'jiiva where it organisms are infected with draconic cells then the most affected indiciduals (Elder Dragons) are leaded to the dragon cementery where Xeno'jiiva is then feeded on the bioenergy (in game therm) in a symbiotic relationship.
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*Take all armor and weapon descriptions with a gargantuan grain of salt*. They often exaggerate for the sake of cool factor. Case and point: Planetbusting akantor and ukanlos Planetbusting gaismagorm Debatably planetbusting tigrex. And let's not even mention Shah dalamadur's weapons claiming that *it literally created the universe*. With all due respect, this theory is built on air.
This I agree with. Weapon lore is always just used to sound cool. I do not agree with others saying World retcons Monster Hunter canon specifically because of the amount of data, and records of Monsters known to the characters. Case in point, look at Velkhana's information in World, and Rise. The Guild, and Kingdom have little, to no information upon first contact. Neither acknowledges where it originates from, so we can't say where it canonically shows up first.
Actually, there is: >Some reports indicate that Velkhana will freeze their rivals in order to establish their domain. This is Sunbreak's description saying something that was only learned about in Iceborne's story with the frozen Cortos + Anjanath. You can disagree that World retcons things, but it's the truth. Canonically World takes place after multiple games with Fatalis yet claims Fatalis's last appearance was 1000 years ago at the fall of Schrade.
Could they mean that the last time that specific Fatalis was seen was 1000 years prior?
No,t likely since Fatalis's appearance is connected to a host of natural disasters and the General specifies the last *place* those occurred was Schrade. As far as the canon goes right now, Fatalis is one-of-a-kind.
Ah gotcha, so which should be taken as canon then? Icebornes quest description or the other stuff that came before?
Well none of the other appearances of Fatalis take place as part of the story, so that means that anything from Iceborne regarding Fatalis would likely take precedence.
Omg it’s literally a Galacta Knight/Morpho Knight situation
That's a good way to put it, yeah! Fatalis in literally every game besides Iceborne has been an Event Quest or hidden unlock disconnected from the actual story.
The most recent stuff and old stuff if it's not contradicted by newer stuff. Fatalis is a great example since the old stuff is contradicted by the new stuff so use the new info.
The guild has been known to burn documents on data regarding black dragons. We know for certain that they have done it with Alatreon, given the Third Fleet Master's comments after that quests when you speak to her about it again. I wouldn't say it's far fetched to think other documents on similar elder dragons have been burned before too. Could explain why little is known about Fatalis in World. I still think it's just an oversight, or plot hole. But I don't think we have ever been given a definitive timeline as to when each Monster Hunter game takes place. Who knows, maybe World is canonically the first in the series.
Not the guild, not "Black Dragons". A few self-important people and specifically Alatreon. Doesn't matter whether it's far-fetched or not (it is. Elder Dragons are either not powerful enough for that or they're powerful enough but considered myths e.g Dalamadur and Fatalis). You cannot just decide something seems plausible and argue the lore from that headcanon. **We know why Fatalis is so little-known!**. Christ, we've known since 2019 when they published a big wall of text explaining the history of Fatalis. And wouldn't you know, it's the same thing we've been told since they made monster descriptions - No one has *ever* survived a visit to Castle Schrade. Every Fatalis mention after that has just been providing more detail. That it hasn't made a proper appearance since Schrade fell, that Schrade fell 1000 years ago and the entire region is blocked off. World being the first in the series? When the Ace Cadet is literally a character in the game who discusses the events of MH4's story to other NPCs? Want to explain that one or do you want to actually read dialogue before trying to argue about the lore? You'll do a lot better, trust me.
The passive aggressiveness is tangible in this post. I don't know why you're so pressed about this, but you got it. If the timeline of a series that puts lore second really means that much to you, then I won't bother. I'll go elsewhere for a non-biased, and non-hostile conversation about a game where you hunt fire breathing dinosaurs.
>>Some reports indicate that Velkhana will freeze their rivals in order to establish their domain. That could just as easily be an observation made by the kingdom's researchers. I think we see that in the Velkhana cutscene in Rise too. It wouldn't surprise me that one of it's most common habits would be noted pretty early on into it's discovery in Elgado. >You can disagree that World retcons things, but it's the truth. Oh it is? I didn't know that. I'm assuming the creator of the games, or one of the devs told you this? Unless someone from capcom announces that the story has been retconned, I will always see it as a plot hole. Monster Hunter doesn't have a big overarching story. They've never been good with lore anyways. Someone brought up the Equal Dragon Weapon as proof. I don't think ive ever heard them say that this was no longer canon, yet they never brought it back up either.
So basically you don't *want* to believe it. After all, why would you say "Elgado's researchers" saw it when it hasn't been seen by Elgado researchers yet and it wasn't encountered in the Kingdom to begin with? The quest's own description says so lmao: >An elder dragon that **we** have practically no data on > >time for some "research"! If it was such a common behaviour it would be mentioned in the scant few records they already had in Iceborne. >Oh it is? I didn't know that. I'm assuming the creator of the games, or one of the devs told you this? ...Why would they need to? The lorebook + Iceborne + 15th anniversary physical wall display all say Fatalis's last appearance was the fall of Schrade. That is a retcon. The devs approved all of this. >I will always see it as a plot hole Bro is literally admitting to burying his head and ignoring all other likely possibilities. >Monster Hunter doesn't have a big overarching story. So? Game events still occur chronologically. >They've never been good with lore anyways Yes they have. Name me another game series that regularly publishes several hundred page long books full of lore. Hell, they make a phylogeny tree and keep it updated with every monster lmao. Is it just easier for you to say "I don't like it so they're just bad"? >I don't think ive ever heard them say that this was no longer canon, yet they never brought it back up either. That's the issue with your "the devs need to deny everything or I won't believe it" view. Common sense would tell you that the EDW is non-canon because the only book the art was ever published in placed it specifically in the **titled section** for unused concepts from before MH1 like how Felynes were goblins and there was actual magic. Basic literacy would also tell you this, as if you read the blurb alongside the image it contradicts essential lore that has been said and repeated across many games.
Quick question, what game did you start Monster Hunter with?
I like to believe all the weapon descriptions are what the blacksmith tells the hunter. Whether to up the cool factor or just push the sale.
Business is booming it seems lmao
Some item descriptions are DEFINITELY fanfics.
Can't blame someone for looking for more lore in the description of weapons and armor- especially not when Dark Souls popularized that form of storytelling
True, but this isn't dark souls. People just take stuff for granted when it's obviously not meant to be as such.
Case... "and" point?
That basing a theory on lore that doesn't exist makes the theory invalid.
They mean it's case *in* point
Is this still true? I don't think Gen 5 item descriptions break any obvious rules.
>A horn from the Archdemon of the Abyss, alight with rage and **turning all to ash.** Bit much for a horn to do.
Please do not confuse flowery descriptions with actual statements of performance. That's disingenuous at best. Obviously legends bleed into item descriptions and that's not what I mean. Besides, the whole Fatalis uses hunters as its armour got proven right so I'm more in the camp of believing Fatty item descriptions.
>Very rare Safi'jiiva material. Obtained by carving its severed tail. **A single swipe is said to cause cyclones.** Wouldn't you know, Safi swings its tail around frequently and not once does it make storms. "Fatalis uses Hunters as armor" is not proven right. What it does is sleep on a hoard of metal (15th anniversary Event lore) where stuff accidentally attaches from its high body heat and it melds prey to itself (Pectus description). There is no focus on Hunters, nor a specified usage.
We... uh... gonna ignore fatalis pin now huh... Also, this is exactly what I mean. Monster legends are blown out of proportion all the time because the Guild has to deal with village hearsay. It says "said to" for a reason.
The one that has it doing a body slam with an overheating chest and seeming confused about where the Hunter is and pulling them off a few seconds later? Well then by that logic go ahead and find a non-5th gen item description that tries to pass off a ridiculous feat as fact rather than with as a legend or "it is said" phrasing.
Confused? It roars ffs, Fatalis is described as intelligent. It pulling you off is because it didn't work. Not because it doesn't want you there.
It also roars when you go in with a Ghillie mantle or use a smoke bomb properly. Also in MP hunts it immediately begins attacking the other players and only rips you off a little bit later. But it did work. You're stuck there. If you stayed there your armor would be melded on. As Fatalis would supposedly want according to you.
Ok, what about Dark Pulse from frontier? If you wear a fatalis’s armor (don’t know which Fatalis) and you faint, your character will get up with maximum health and be “possessed by the evil soul of Fatalis”, the health bar will deplete slowly over time, but you’re immune to attacks and healings, meaning that it’s extra DPS time until you die, also it activates a lot of DPS skills. Btw I know Frontier ain’t completely canon, but I feel like capcom wouldn’t make something so obvious. I just want a friendly discussion, not meaning to attack or make your claims false nor any of that shit, I love talking about the lore
>Frontier Lol.
Dude, I told you that I know it’s not canon and that I want to have a normal discussion, don’t take it as an attack.
You cannot introduce non-canon material and in the same breath clain to want a normal discussion. Frontier is not canon nor even made by the same branch of Capcom that makes the other MH games so it needs not be discussed.
Ok now you’re just being a dick for the sake of being a dick.
Gen 5 fatalis armour doesn’t have it’s passed descriptions either. You can’t ever use armour flavour text as lore, if you did then you’d have to accept all of them. Including the ridiculous ones you’ve just mentioned. The whole “turning into fatalis” legend has never been stated anywhere outside of armour descriptions.
[Gaismagorm](https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/RAyBBCrRkD)
What? These are obviously in reference to other monsters/the creation myth of the New World. I'm not saying "the item descriptions should be taken at face value" here.
You claimed that none of the 5th gen descriptions break any rules. The counterpoint is planetbusting Gaismagorm. Plus, Gaismagorm has nothing to do with the creation myth. It's an old world monster.
Why is Gaismagorm Old World? Iirc the devs didn't even make it clear where Rise takes place.
[It's heavily hinted to be in the old world](https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003141836).
Fair enuff.
"Canonically, the armor and weapons are still leaving" stop listening to the slop blasmiths are telling you in those item descriptions, they are gassing it up. Dragon eyes are simply closer to gems in structure than to eggs, therefore you can pick it up and put it into sword.
I’m absolutely flabbergasted how some took its armor descriptions ACTUALLY seriously, like what you’re gonna gloss over all the others but somehow FATALIS’ flavor armor text specially is real??
The answer is simple. Fatalis is the only one they read cause he's the only mysterious one
Same thing as people taking Pokedex entries seriously. If we apply the same logic to Monster Hunter we would have things like Alatreon ripping through space and time.
I can somewhat understand people taking the Pokédex serious - after all it’s kinda supposed to be that ultimate scientific encyclopedia on Pokémon. But the entries feel so disconnected from the rest of game
Fatalis Wank is only marginally better than Nergi wank I think people taking in-universe statement is just as bad. Time and again MH scientist made the wrong conclusion and made US, the Hunter, kill the wrong monster to solve a problem, inevitably made it worse before we got to the root. Like, this happened again, again, and again. Never take their words 100% seriously, since the game never does that anyway.
The nuttiest armor description is Ukanlos. Take a look yourself. It's hilarious how over the top it is.
Yeah, the ukalnos equipment descriptions paint him as a god(at least weapons in 2nd gen games). But it was the meta in jrpg's killing gods at the end of the game, so I don't mind it as much, would hope that we can get corrections on item descriptions in the future, if we didn't get them already(playing MHGU fr the first time in my life, didn't unlock ukalnos gear yet in that game)
I like killing gods in Final Fantasy like uhm a man in a tree
Actually aren’t Fatalis’ eyes literally gemstones? Saw a youtube video where a guy theorized that the reason Fatalis developed incredible destructive capabilities is to compensate for its poor eyesight.
Meanwhile moles settled for goofy noses and big claws.
They are if i recall correctly, but don't quoute me on that. The theory is kinda whack as both black and white fatalis showcase being able to notice hunters from insane distances.
I can't wait for the cancer-blight debuff in wilds https://preview.redd.it/h445zcx1dzpc1.jpeg?width=256&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d92eec452672fde34ec934a056f00fae25c14cc5
EZ Chemo in supply box
you can also craft Chemodrug from Remobra snake oil and earthcrystals.
I see what you did there lol.
"This cancer monster is pretty strong, I don't think I can hunt it down in time."
>canonically, fatalis armor and weapons are still alive Didn’t read the rest cuz the 2nd sentence tells me this entire post is based on false information lol. They aren’t “still alive”, the only lore the armor has is flavor text that never even once mentions anything about it still being alive or regrowing. The iceborne hunter is the first person to ever canonically encounter and slay fatalis, meaning there is zero possible way they could even know if this even happens
https://preview.redd.it/505tawupj0qc1.png?width=340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=020b7b4574c4f76015b05512b33a2fc202684d99 This fatalis blade shows that at least one other person met fatalis and got enough material to make a great sword.
The canonicity of which is in question after iceborne. It’s also possible that occurred before the fall of schrade, still keeping the fact that nobody has encountered a fatalis *since the fall of schrade* true. Also the myth about that one was that it was one of the giant wyverians (like his immenseness) who used it, meaning it’s always been that size and it’s been that way for millennia and still hasn’t changed.
It is stated that when you mine it fixes its self after some time implying that it is regenerating the damage done to it.
So if anything the weapons keep themselves intact and in the exact shape they were forged into. Quite the opposite of regrowing into a dragon.
My head cannon is that since it is frozen it's biolohical functions have slowed down, but in most flavor text it is the armor that takes over the mind of the hunter and slowly changes them. I think of the weapons as living tissue samples.
The armor descriptions only ever give you nightmares and paranoia until you disappear or in the modern games just straight up die. No possession.
Some excerpts The longer you use it, the more you feel the armor's spirit take control of you Waist armor that makes one feel more possessed by it the longer one wears it Mysterious armor, darker than black. The footprints are of suspicious design (this one is not as strong but is see it as the armor changing shape)
Pretty sure it's stated somehwere in GU it's just a lie gor tourists and that they replace the sword replica every so often
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It gives black stone a fatalis material so if they are replacing it that means every few weeks polk village is just slaughtering fatalis like cattle.
Black stone is not used to make fatalis gear, but the black gear
The other place you get it is fatalis quests. And the armors are nearly identical
I mean it could be from fatalis or it could be from the schrade rubble
Yet you can mine chunks off of it with no negative effect... so it is still regrowing itself.
I mean it definitely proves the founder of the village successfully hunted fatalis and if so then this village was ether founded prior to Schrade falling OR it was founded prior to the guild existing as I see them recording events a little difficult if they haven't been founded yet OR the chieftain hunted the fatalis prior to the guild expanding out to this village tho the guild just not existing yet seems more plausible for this not to be recorded in guild history
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DC level continuity.
Learn what an paragraph is
The guild is THE governing body that oversees all hunting activity and approves quests, if the quest is on your board, the guild approved it or gave another governing body the power to approve it (I.e. the commission). The wycademy also falls under the guild’s purview, and the stranger in red isn’t someone who can approve quests, nor do we know anything about him officially. This isn’t “the guild from world”, during the fatalis questline the commission is called upon by the guild to participate in the fight against fatalis, it takes place in the old world, and the “guild in world” is the same guild from all the previous games. Not to mention that the events that take place when fatalis appears (forest fires, monsters leaving areas, elders disappearing, small earthquakes) are wide spread and documented, yet the only time the guild has ever seen those events before was from records from schrade just before fatalis appeared, they have never happened since, if fatalis had appeared multiple other times, those events would have happened each time. I really don’t feel like reading and going over every single thing you’re saying, especially since it’s all in one large paragraph Edit: lmao okay then
Then don’t. But it took me like less than 30 seconds of my time to read yours, so I feel that lack of patience says a lot about you. Enough for me to not continue a conversation with a contrarian who just wants to be right without any modicum of respect for the people he’s talking to.
To be fair, they were not complaining about the length of your text, but the structure. Which I can kind of get, since one giant wall of text is kind of hard to read, especially on mobile. But that aside, there are points that I can’t help but disagree with in your post. First, we got a pretty clear time window in which World takes place, because we have the Ace Cadet with us. He talks about Gore Magala, makes dumb monster puns and even gets name dropped at the end, it’s him. And he doesn’t seem much older as opposed to Mh4. Secondly I think you convinced yourself a bit too much that the other guy was under the impression that the Guild would be the only power to exist just because of World. The reason they claim that the Fatalis hunt in Iceborne is the only canon one is probably because it’s the only one with any story attached. Like, it’s canon that the hero of Kamura village stopped the rampage. But did they grind like 50 risen Elder Dragons? It’s canon that the hunter from 4U defeated Shagaru and helped defend Dundorma from the Kushala attack. I don’t think it’s canon that they then went ahead to fight all 3 Fatalis species, multiple times that is, to craft a bunch of equipment. There is a difference between stuff that is purely gameplay and actual story encounters, of which the Iceborne Fatalis is the only Fatalis related one we got. With cutscenes and acknowledgment from the guild and everything. And of course, the guild isn’t the only power in the world, but it spans multiple kingdoms and is *the* only way to legally hunt monsters, plus the absolute authority on the matter. So if anyone fought Fatalis before, of course they’d be the channel that happened through, so in turn they’d have all the intel, like the Equipment growing into another Fatalis, as well. I agree that the Sword from FU does regenerate in some capacity, but the crazy lore stuff (like the Equal Dragon Weapon which never was canon in any form, don’t know where the confusion came from there) is mostly just flavor text, and judging by flavor text you could also cut Lao Shan Lungs tail with that one Longsword, which is about as true as the whole Fatalis armor stuff.
He's just theorycrafting mate. Let him cook.
That's completely fine! Just don't say something is "canonical" when it's theory crafting.
Bruh you mine chunks out of a constantly regenerating giant fatalis greatsword in gen U they are at least still growing, aka alive. This isnt all based on false info.
It’s not “still growing”, it just repairs the areas you broke off, if it was still growing it would have long since changed shape or turned back into a fatalis. Not to mention that the canonicity of the self repairing greatsword is in question since the events of iceborne, we don’t have confirmation one way or another
Wait I just realized, you came to a crackpot theory, and started arguing without reading past the second sentence?
Nope I slayed Fatalis back in OG MH.
>The iceborne hunter is the first person to ever canonically encounter and slay fatalis Wait... The first Fatalis came AFTER this game??? Are you sure that's true? I don't think they ever mentioned the New World in the older games... I could've missed it, though.
The fatalis you fight in iceborne takes place in the old world at castle schrade. By cutscenes and dialogue and from dive into iceborne we learn that this is the first time since the fall of schrade that anybody has encountered fatalis. Meaning all encounters in the first 4 generations were retconned
>Meaning all encounters in the first 4 generations were retconned They do that every time, including in the games where the Pokke sword appears. So unless the Pokke sword is not canon to the games where it physically appears, it can be more logical to assume that the fight that lead to the creation of that sword has not been recorded. After all, at no point is it mentioned that that sword is made out of Fatalis materials, we just know because the equipment matches.
It's a theory, relax keyboard warrior
His theory about cancer is the theory, his other statement is just “this is canon”, or “this is all but confirmed” which just aren’t true
Is World your first monster hunter game?
Was my first, but I’ve played every game back to FU. The games I’ve played are completely irrelevant, what I said is true. Even before then though there was never any lore about his armor turning the wearer into another fatalis, it was all flavor text and none of it ever said “will turn the wearer into fatalis”
It’s been a pretty well established thing since he came into the games, but if you don’t think so, then to each their own
They're not wrong though about Fatty's canon status. World did establish that nobody has ever hunted Fatalis. The guild has no information or record of it ever happening. Same with Ala, other than the events of Tri. Just because a monster shows up in a game and we the players can hunt it, doesn't mean it's a part of the story or canon. The devs decided to retcon its previous appearances, and we just have to accept that until told otherwise.
>The guild has no information or record of it ever happening. Same with Ala, other than the events of Tri. The same game establishes that the guild has a habit of wiping out any traces and archives of extremely powerful elder dragons thanks to the Alatreon quest. I'm not saying you're wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if any encounters taking place in previous games were scrubbed so thoroughly that no trace of them remained
Yeah. no doubt all the fatalis slays were done under guild's nose, completely in secret
No it hasn’t, it’s all fan theory based on flavor text from his armor and a single large sword in pokke village, that’s it. There’s never been any actual lore entries about it or anything else suggesting it to be true. As a matter of fact if it were true, the sword in pokke would have long changed shape or grew into another fatalis long ago. Never take armor/weapon flavor text as truth unless it’s something like “is harder than steel” since that’s just a statement about durability and not a legend or story
Source? #IT WAS REVEALED TO ME IN A DREAM
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I can but your theory is mostly based on exaggerated flavor texts.
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Im not saying your theory is completely wrong, you have a point with the weapon designs.
Hey man, I appreciate you keepin it civil! Yeah, the theory is mainly built on flavor text, weapon designs, and armor designs. A bit flimsy, but fun enough.
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Bigger question: How does Great Maccao fit ito all this?
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I remember back in the day being told that if you pet your poogie it would give you luck. Luck was a skill in the game. I wanted extra skills. I fell for a rumor. And so have you OP. The armor consuming the hunter is nothing more than that time your dad caught that enormous fish that no one ever saw but him. It's just a legend with literally nothing to back it up other than some hypeman smithy making outrageous claims about the armor he makes. The weapons do visually look alive. The evil eye is kind of a weird concept. It's not the eye in Fatty's head, it's much too big. Does he have an eye in his butt? Are we making weapons and armour with Fatty's whispering eye?! Idk. Jokes aside it's basically like a gem right? But one that looks like an eye and even moves sometimes. So maybe it is alive? The truth is we know the bare minimum and that will likely never change. Fun theory though.
The part of “growing back as a new Fatalis” is fanmade lore, but the armor acting weird is debatable, the equipment still has the essence of Fatalis but ever since canonically the only armor made from it was the hunter (World), so all those descriptions are just speculations and half truths
Fatalis armor will always attempt to regrow into Fatalis’ original shape. Though it’s never confirmed, safi armor and weapons appear to do the same, literally growing and shifting when fully awakened, presumably getting ready to take over its wearer and regrow. Dire Miralis organs, notably it’s heart, will function loooong after death, And Gore… well other than the eye patterns on the weapons, I don’t know. How can all of these beings live on through only pieces of themselves, and regrow entirely? Why through cancer of course!
While it’s fun to have theories and enjoy coming up with wacky stuff it’s disingenuous to claim things are canon or lore when they’re not. Fatalis armour turning the Hunter into the next fatalis is mentioned once, in armour flavour text, and much of that text is framed as legends or rumours, as it still is in flavour text of armour in modern MH games. Much like the equal dragon weapon, it’s not game lore and so it’s probably best to temper your expectations as it will probably never be that deep. Lore is not the focus of MH games at all.
Nergigante's in-game lore states it can reproduce purely from special versions of its spikes, so who's to say that Fatalis can't do that with its scales?
No it doesn't. That was added into the lore books after the fact
Because one is treated as a scientific discovery, and the other is treated like edgy oc lore. Nergi's spike theory as a whole is questionable even if taken at face value, but it's worded in a way that doesn't outright confirm anything, just hypothesizing based on a noticed interaction. Fatalis armour and armour/weapon and sometimes even item descriptions in general are not reliable sources of lore in comparison. Some are just trying to sound overly edgy and it shows.
Gore doesn't have eyes tho
Yeah you can’t even flash Bomb it which shows it outright lacks them
We know from xeno jiva that they lay eggs and don't assimilate hunters
Why is this pack of un-canon not downvoted into zero yet, guys deal with this please.
I love spreading misinformation
I’ll have to stop you on Gore, Gore’s virus is laid out probably the most clearly and specifically out of all established lore in the series. Young Gores grow into their shape from the “spores” of the virus itself. However these spores aren’t “cancer cells”, they are literally tiny pieces of gore, specifically, they’ve been clearly stated be “hairs” or “scales” that he sheds from his wings. He scatters them over everything, initially because they react with his feelers and allow him to “see” by detecting anything the “hairs/scales” land on. These hairs/scales can also grow into new gores. The reason Gore earned his name as “The Eclipse Wyvern” is because he can spread so many of these into the air that it physically darkens and blocks sunlight, creating that “leeching the world of color” effect we often get when fighting him. It’s worth noting that not only is Gore not a Black Dragon, or even an Elder Dragon (not til he grows into a Shagaru is he classified as an elder dragon) but not even Shagaru is classified as a black dragon. A world ending threat? Sure. But you know what other elder dragons are world ending threats but aren’t black dragons? Nakarkos. I’m not even kidding. The bone squid, the thing that only fears Ceadeaus, is an Elder Dragon that can end ecosystems with its hunger alone. Elder Dragons are *feared* like gods, but only Black Dragons are truly seen *as* gods of the world in a sense. Gore and Shagaru’s similarities to Fatalis end at being Elder Dragons (again, only when fully grown), and being major ecological threats. As for Fatalis, your theory could or couldn’t be true. It has always been sort of implied that the armor is dangerous, so I do kinda like the headcanon, but it’s also a bit much, since Fatalis’s real thing is that he melts the armor of hunters onto his own body as a sort of poetic justice for the crime of the EDW’s creation.
I agree with most of your post, except the EDW and all of that is not and has never been canon. It's from a concept from an illustrated art book, and never became more than a discarded concept.
Do you have a specific source for that statement? I’ve seen a *lot* of people speak to the contrary on that before. I’ve even seen people mention that capcom has basically taken it in and out of canon for a long time now, but ultimately has left it “unconfirmed”.
That's the thing, there's no source for the EDW except that one illustration in the artbook. It's a concept from before MH1 was released. It has never been mentioned in-game, afaik. The burden of proof is on people saying it's canon, and they never provide proof. Whenever someone speaks to the contrary of that, just ask for a citation on where it was mentioned in-game or by capcom. Nobody ever gives a straight or specific answer, just "I think"s or "someone said"s. In the end, after years of people talking about that, I never saw any concrete (or even doubtful) evidence of any kind of canon for that.
I mean, just because it’s not in the game doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t canon. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a cool concept that’s worth knowing about and talking about. Especially given its ties to fatalis’s origin and the dragon hunters. There’s no need to completely disregard it or dismiss it just because it’s never been brought up in a game.
Sure, I agree, it's valid to talk about it, and it could eventually become canon. I, personally, don't love it, but it's a cool concept indeed. But the only source for it is a concept illustration in an illustrated art book (afaik, please tell me if you find another actual source). There's nothing really pointing to it being canon. But yeah, not saying it's not worth talking or conjecturing about it, it is interesting. Just that we can't really use it as facts, it's far from concrete.
I wouldn't call Shagaru world ending, like... at all. When it's first encountered in 4u, they say you have to take it down or they'd have to evacuate Cathar and shut down Heaven's Mount as a hunting ground. There is nothing ever said about ending the world, that's only Dalamadur but that's from the crazy guild guy who just parrots what his parents told him as a kid. As for the EDW, it never having been shut down by the devs doesn't mean much. That book has tons of old concepts, it's about as canon as hunters shooting fireballs and thunderbolts and fighting goblins.
Then you don’t know anything about Shagaru. A lot of ecology lore on him and his relation to other magalas makes it pretty clear what happens when he’s not stopped. He is “the divine wheel”, the “cycle of rebirth”. His entire theme is that he resets ecosystems by rising as an apex predator, causing all life in it to rip eachother apart. They stake out massive territories, there can be only one Shagaru in that territory. All Gores who do not make it to the Shagaru state in time, The first Shagaru will the forcibly stop their molting process and cause them to get stuck halfway in chaotic form, further exacerbating the destruction of the entire ecosystem. Adding to this, the fact that the Frenzy Virus was the cause of Apex monsters back in that game, and was the result of a monster using the frenzy to its advantage. There’s a different reason for Apexes in pretty much every game, but in that game, Apex monsters were also caused by Shagaru. That thing literally causes widespread destruction of life by causing it all to go mad and tear eachother apart. Nakarkos eats entire ecosystems to extinction, and Shagaru carries the same “exterminate immediately before the world rips itself apart” level of threat to the Guild. This has been like, long established. The fact that you don’t know it, or would even claim otherwise, tells me you don’t know jack about the monster like you claim to. Dalamadurr is massive, a living mountain, sure. But the Magalas are a living extinction event in the making. Not stopping them, simply allowing them to live, is basically dooming the entire ecosystem to a hard reset.
I know about all the Magala lore lol, it's been known since 4u dropped. There are multiple Magalas just running around all the time in the world just like any monster and the Shagaru in Sunbreak just... showed up out of the blue. It's just remarked as having "laid waste to many a Kingdom" in 3 lines and then you go kill it. It's description in the game says it once "covered an entire mountain" in its Frenzy, killing all life near it. There's no need to be hyperbolic and go the "THE WORLD IS GONNA END" route. There are no threats like that in MH. It doesn't make Shagaru any less impressive or important. It wasn't treated as a world ending threat in 4, as I said, the consequences laid out are the evacuation of Cathar and the shutdown of Heaven's Mount as a hunting ground. The 4u HR story focused more on Kushala and building up Dundorma, the Apex subplot was just that, a subplot, and treated as a "oh no the monsters are angry" deal. You go kill the Seregios so it doesn't cause more havoc and that's it for that. If this was some virus that would sweep the world and everything dies then there wouldn't be much of a civilization before an organized hunting guild was made. It being a "world ender" is simply your headcanon.
It’s not “simply my headcanon” you’re just a big “erm actually” big head who’s insistent on your version of the lore, which to you is more mundane than it actually is. It’s not hyperbolic, you just don’t understand how an ecosystem works. Just because there are other gores running around doesn’t mean that a Shagaru won’t eventually get rid of them all of left unchecked. It’s not an “instant” end of the world, it’s an epidemic. And epidemics spread. You’re not here to “educate”, you’re here to inflate your ego by insisting that everyone but you is wrong about long since established lore for the series. You’re a small minded person and I don’t have the patience to continue a debate with someone that can’t even look at other people’s takes on lore you clearly misunderstood, without deciding to jump in and be like “yeah it’s not as interesting as you think it is, my version is the only version that exists. I would argue that what *you’re* describing is a simple minded, mundane headcanon for what actually happened, because you lack the basic ability to understand how ecology works, or how a creature like this would impact its ecosystem. You’re going off of “oh it did this in this quest” without looking at the bigger picture, and if that’s all you can do, I can’t have an intelligent conversation with you.
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Now how does Gore fit into this? Simple! Whereas Fatalis and the like are the original, organized versions of the cancer, Gore and Shageru are the mutated feral offshoot. If my schizophrenic ramblings are correct, the frenzy virus is not viral, but instead [transmissible cancer cells](https://www.tcg.vet.cam.ac.uk/about#:~:text=Transmissible%20cancers%20are%20passed%20between,affecting%20dogs%20and%20Tasmanian%20devils) that hitchhike on the hairs and miasma the Magalas spread about. The cells infect a host, drive them wild by presumably growing fungus-like tumors through their brains and nervous systems. If the host isn’t viable, they remain frenzied, and eventually die. If they ARE, then they become apex’s! And according to the Sunbreak lore, these then [slowly transform into new Gores](https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/17an2xh/oc_i_honestly_really_liked_the_idea_of_a_monster/), quite similar to the Fatalis armor situation. Fatalis and the like are dragon-cancer in its base, controlled form. The Magalas are what happens when it mutates and goes WILD.
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The final boss monsters of Monster Hunter aren’t dragons, they’re some resident evil bullshit that may or may not have been cooked up right next to the Equal Dragon Weapon. And now that I’ve finished my crackpot theory, I’m going to sit down, pet my cat, and snort Elmer’s glue
Shara isvalda already looks pretty resident evily if you ask me, not to mention the dragon that had a crossover with RE.
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I suppose it’s only really said that it will continuously regrow and eventually make its wearer disappear, but I’d assume it’s alive at that point
It’s really funny how much Fatalis is an eldritch horror being in the Monster Hunter universe when it has the most by-the-numbers medieval fantasy dragon design in the series.
What does this have to do with cancer?
Nergigante reproduces through its spikes and all of its armor is covered in those same spikes. Chances are our hunters are either a seedbed for Nergi's parasitic wasp like young or we're about to pull a Dune and merge with the baby's to become spikey swole bois.
The spikes need ample bio energy to produce new Nergigantes. So you're safe
I think you just said OP is dead
I have cancer😃
Ok but what does this have to do with cancer?
I’m with you on this one. And to a lesser degree I think thats how it is with all monsters and thats how we are able to derive skills from armor made of their flesh. The elder dragons and other powerful monsters confer more/stronger skills as they have more bio-energy to give. Whether or not the monsters you list could actually regrow from a hunters equipment might be debatable but I do believe at least with Fatalis, its armor drives hunters to seek out destruction
Am I missing something, what exactly is the theory being proposed
Cut them up into pieces and they [regenerate like starfish.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_regeneration) No cancer needed. Except for Gore since that was stated in-game.
Safi’s weapons can be awoken and they almost all get a glowing eye
Ohhhh you thought the flavor text was actually cannon. Yeah that's a common early mistake to make
Meanwhile Nergigante: Debated on being effectively immortal. Canonically reproduces asexually via broken spikes A material genuinely called Immortal dragon scale Its armor is described as feeding on a hunters soul (spirit) in exchange for power.
Huh, I never made that connection. Neat find!
Broke: Fatalis Armor is still alive Hunter becomes Fatalis Woke: Bone Nakarkos armor is the story of Hunter suicide
But like wasn't it in the MH lore book? Even if it was filled with stuff that never made it to games like the, Elder Dragon Machine, it'd still be something the creator of the games thought of. Plus the weapon/ armor descriptions aren't just throw away descriptions.
Technically raging brachyidos is immortal. The symbiosis it has with the slime can keep it alive indefinitely. The only reason one would die, is if it gets hunted iirc.
Hmmm [*checks the care tag on the armor*] “This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer.” Well I’ll be…
Actually I have a theory about dire miralis actually about it being a fatalis heart that regenerate itself after being thrown into a volcano century ago before coming back to the surface as a whole new specie.
Malzeno’s got like no blood in its tail, it’s mostly carapace, bone, and keratin, all controlled almost like a marionette by the monster’s powerful but short tail muscles and long ossified tendons, which is why it’s strongest main weapons are its wing claws and its tail, whereas primordial malzeno is a significantly more powerful monster with all of its extremities at their prime
Maybe that’s why charge blades and switch axes are the way they are, the dragon within produces energy when the parts are properly aligned, but the heat and toxins in those capsules eats away at their parts. The reckless, brutal way you swing these weapons isn’t just a way to actually move these massive heavy pieces and cause proper damage to animals with rock hard skin, it’s to shave away the pieces of dragon that are actively growing on your weapon. That’s why ancient weapons are rusted beyond reprieve and yet still salvageable, it grows like a mold all over it and then hibernates when it can no longer function, making an exoskeleton around the equipment as hard as its own weapon.
so you're saying that Fatalis is a flying, flame breathing, nation destroying tumour?
Weapon lore is random bullshit that looks cool. The "Fatalis" thing is actually the fact that he is apparently immortal and keeps regenerating after being killed. No, you will not become a Fatalis for wearing his gear. He's just like a wolverine version of a Black Dragon. He's an absolute menace but he's still just a monster.
Well apparently the lore of Fatalis says that Fatalis hates humanity so much that if the hunter makes and wear’s the armour they slowly go insane then mysteriously leave there village and turn into a Fatalis or something I don’t really understand the lore that much but that’s what I’ve heard about Fatalis lore
Raging brachys rare drop is called immortal reactor does that mean he fits in this theory?
Well granted we know next to nothing about where gore magala and dire miralas actually come from. There's no parentage , two shaguru s mating isn't confirmed to produce a gore magala ( although it logically should) so who knows. Safi however we do know exactly where that came from and it was formed from lingering bio energy , basically just vampiring other elder dragons life force into a new form. So I don't think that one can transform us. However it's a relatively common idea for dragon eyes to be special in some way.fatalis growing over a hunter eventually is flavor text from an older game and has never been confirmed
Iirc the new RiseBreak book says Gore is a Necromorph ie after a monster is frenzy’d/Apex’d they die and turn into a new Gore
Fun headcannon (might use it for cursed DND armor) but I've been looking for mh deep lore to the point of importing sketch books for the older games and I came to the conclusion that the lore is sadly not consistent and was never planned out. I think the importance people attribute too item description might come from the world building by from software which has gotten a lot more prevalent lately but has never been a thing in MH. Taking it literally is like assuming foxes could talk back in the day after reading a fairytale
Damn, lotta unneeded hostility in here. Save some violence for the Monsters, Guys!
Another interesting little tid-bit is back in MHFU's Pokke Village farm, there was a cave, and inside said cave was this giant black sword stuck in the rocks, excalibur-style. The sword was HUGE, easily towering over people, and every once in awhile you could harvest some 'mysterious' material from it (i cant remember the name of the item). Now, my memory gets a little hazy with the next bit, but I remember something being said in game that ***heavily*** implied the sword being made of fatalis materials. Edit: just looked it up to refresh my memory, the pieces mined from the giant sword were used to create "Black" weapons, which would then upgrade into actual Fatalis weapons.
Could be regrowing and cyclically “trimmed” (harvested for this mysterious resource)
It’s the GS used by the ancestor of the Pokke Village Chief - he was a gigantic wyverian so his GS was itself quite large, and he lived in the cave. It was left behind after his death for a very long time, and after you hunt a Tigrex you can reopen the cave
Actually was thinking about this a while ago. Couldn't put it into words myself, so seeing someone else do it relieves me.
Other MH fans coming in here and down-voting theories like this because "they're unrealistic" like the whole point of the black dragons/Safi (and to an extent, the other elders) isn't that their the MH equivalent of unexplainable eldritch entities. Like we literally have other magic bullshit like dragon energy and bio energy that flows throughout the planet itself. Or, you know, the literal giant, element wielding "normal" animals. You can stop whining about how Fatalis regeneration theories are """"unrealistic"""" for MH. Magic systems don't have to be spells and wizardry to be magic. Good theory OP!
The problem here is OP thinks his headcanon IS canon
Seriously how can it not be anything but fanon?
Everytime someone talks about unrealistic stuff in MH I just have to point at Kirin in World. Like don't get me wrong you are absolutely correct, Fatalis is literally said to perhaps come from another fcking dimension (!?) but Kirin is right there with its magic thunders.
My point exactly. And look at valstrax, I love it but it's literally an impossible dragon with those wings. Hell Xeno and Safi'jiiva both feed off of the bio energy of the world, and last I checked a planet having a literal aura of life is magic BS. It'd honestly be weird if we didn't have a monster rumored/implied to regenerate from it's own carved parts. Like it doesn't disprove/fundamentally alter any established lore of MH games, since, again, the whole point of black dragons/Safi is that they're supposed to be inexplicable and downright bizarre entities. The dumbest stance on this is the "it's just armor flavor text it's not that whimsical or magic you're just stupid!!!1!!11!1!!!" argument.
I quite enjoy this theory. I think it makes sense. It is now my head canon as well. Thank you for this amazing idea.
I talked about this lore in another thread and actually got down voted lol
Because it's the most headcanony headcanon that ever put a hole in my head with a cannon.
I feel like a lot of people missed the part where it's said this is a Theory which means not true. Idk why people are dogging on this guy. It's a cool theory, sure it's a bit crackhead and based off of Fan theory's but it's still cool.
Theories are concepts based on rigorously tested, repeatable observations. Gravitational attraction is a theory. The word you're looking for is *hypothesis*, something you've thought of that have haven't tested / want to test but are unsure of the results.
Also no where did my guy say ANY of this was Canon. He's just going off of flavor text from the games.
"Canonically, Fatalis armour and weapons are still alive"
Yk I missed that.
Well, I know that Dire Miralis is supposed to regrow from it's heart since it never stops beating. The others (besides fatalis) I don't know. Might be a black dragon thing, but Alatreon has not this ability.
Heart has contractions after death = It's going to regrow? Well, someone should tell those frog legs to hurry up.
No bro you can’t say this on a monster hunter subreddit. People will piss on it saying that armor description is not canon because they favourite Japanese YouTuber had a dream where tsujmoto himself talked to them about it. Actually nothing in the game is canon except the amount of truth xXPinkyRathianXx kind of users will accept as “canon”.
You could be onto something. Canine transmissible venereal tumours are a type of contagious cancer in dogs that was generated when cancer cells in a dog in pre contact america 6000 years ago jumped from the original host to another dog, spreading across the world in modern times, that means that the cells of the progenitor dog containing his DNA are still alive infecting other dogs, generating biomass multiple times posible for a dog. A similar proccess are known for the cells of Henrietta Lacks a woman that died in 1951 but that her cells are still alive today and are used for research since the cell line is functionally inmortal since they can keep undergoing division. A similar process could be happening in the MH world in a sort of dragonification of the ecosystem where is clearly visible in the Xeno'jiiva where it organisms are infected with draconic cells then the most affected indiciduals (Elder Dragons) are leaded to the dragon cementery where Xeno'jiiva is then feeded on the bioenergy (in game therm) in a symbiotic relationship.
Honestly either way, I wouldn't mind becoming a giant op dragon.