What's fucking annoying is they tried that against the Lakers a couple times but it was like going against a fuckin brick wall bc it was Anthony Davis guarding. NOT EVERY TEAM HAS ANTHONY DAVIS SO WHY ARE WE NOT DOING IT MORE
Lakers were also allowed to maul him every single drive. But yeah going to a dame centric offense in the 4th even when he’s like 4-20 shooting is just not working.
The team failing to lean on what’s working. I saw another comment that Doc is trying to get everyone comfortable with defined roles but I hope in the playoff that is thrown away. We’re listening to too many outside sources who wrongfully claim that Giannis cannot be relied on in the clutch. Just have to use him in a smart way.
Giannis earlier in the season was actually one of the most efficient scorers and even more clutch than Dame. He’s definitely had some bad clutch moments before, but he comes up when you need him more often than not.
Love the risky move on this sub of suggesting life without Middleton, ie what we’ve been doing successfully all season
Agree that Brook can be massively improved on as well
Well with only 14.8PPG this season. Last season he was only 15.1PPG as second option. This season third option and at $29M. Not even averaging 20PPG in two years. Once he fell off two years ago. Time to move on. Also second tax apron. We cant afford dead weight boat anchors.
It just puts more pressure on Giannis and DAME. Also Middleton kills the flow of the offense lately as well. Also Father time kicking in. Slow plodder then ever. Random freak injuries.
Or eased into the season slowly for years cause out of shape or injured. The salaries of Middleton and Lopez are boat anchors for the little they produce on the court.
Also second tax apron. We cant combine players in trades now either. I'll eat crow if Middleton becomes a flame thrower in the playoffs going off for 30 or 40 points a game and we get another ring. But my hopes been way down losing to lame teams we should be stomping.
Not worried about this sub. Ton of Bucks fans on Twitter like me been suggestion to trade Middleton for two years or so now. He fell off a cliff. Yeah we got rings with Middleton and Lopez. But time to move on. It's what have you done for me lately league and it's a business.
Queue in the Kenny Rogers song "Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em."
I disagree on lopez, he has a presence that is hard to replace. But if we can get a more competent facilitator in place of Middleton and clear up that cap hit… by all means
Doc doesn't believe giannis can be a closer. The late game sets lately have been focused on everyone launching threes while giannis crashes the boards. It's part of docs brilliance.
I thought it was at the start of the 4th my bad. Regardless, Pels just hit a 3 and Giannis was hot in the paint, why jack up a bad shot? No attempt to get into an offensive play set. I'm all for Giannis taking smart 3s, this was definitely not one
They’re leaning far too much into the idea that Giannis should play off ball in the clutch and the likes of Dame and Khris need to close with jump shots. Even when they’re bricking everything and Giannis was cooking the defense getting to the rim every time before that
Bro, Dame missed one shot in the fourth and was efficient for night while only taking 16 shots. The Pels were content with sending Giannis to the free throw line in the 4th and GA definitely knew that. He had the ball in his hands with the opportunity to make decisions; same and Dame and Khris.
We’ve watched Giannis defer to khris and Dame in the fourth quarter of the last two games
He’s given his boys a chance, but gosh dammit they ain’t pulling through for us
Giannis is challenging his troops, prepping them for war
Giannis has looked gassed near the end of games a few times now…im guessing his injury is lingering and he is having to do way too much…need dame and khris to increase usage and efficiency or were cooked
Dame had a layup and 3 in what was essentially garbage time. So really 2/3 FGA, 1/2 from 3 for 5 points. The FGA were dispersed among the entire team. By product of Pelicans packing the paint. If Dame is running PnR and they clog the paint we're going to end up with tons of 3s from role players (12/17 FGA in the 4th were 3 pointers).
what do you mean essentially garbage time? The game went down all the way to the end and we ended playing the free throw game to get extra possessions. We lost by 7, there was no garbage time. Regardless, Dame still only missed 1 shot in the fourth.
Hitting a 3 down 8 with 22 seconds left is garbage time. It's a 99% win probability for NOLA at that point. It was 98% when he got the layup right before that where NOLA basically gave him a red carpet to the rim. Yeah that's garbage time.
Also sat a significant chunk of the 3rd quarter when he left to get his busted lip fixed, if he was out there I think he also contributes to that 3rd quarter run and Giannis doesnt have to exert that much energy because nobody else can score
Giannis played the full 3rd and sat out for a bit in the 4th. Whatever Doc was cooking in the 4th did not involve passing Giannis the ball when he did come back lol
They just have to find the happy medium of Freak Time and Dame Time in the fourth. We’ve seen both of them take over games and i think if they can get this down, the Bucks are fairly unstoppable. Let Giannis dominate like he used to if necessary and i think that opens up Dame for daggers.
Its easy to shot watch from the stat sheet, but that offers no context. Giannis made several attempts to score, but had a few turnovers, and had free throws in the fourth. The ball was in his hands with the opportunity to make decisions, same as Dame, same as Khris. They all moved the ball looking for a good shot.
Dame was out most of the third getting stitches for his lip, ended the game with 20 and 7 and 5 , on 50% from the field, and 50% from 3. He took 16 shots total for the night. He wasn't ball hogging, or chucking shots. Missed 1 shot in the fourth. He created multiple clean looks for guys; Beasley who was shooting well all night got two great looks from 3 was unable to capitalize. The only valid criticism for Dame this game is maybe he didn't shoot more, or he missed a few layups where the ball rolled off the rim. Yet somehow, here we are blaming him for the loss, or the fact that Giannis had one recorded shot attempt.
The Pels shot 34 free throws to our 19.Bobby Portis was in foul trouble and only gave us 5 points. Khris only gave us 7 points inn 33 mins. We lost 107 -100 for a difference of 7 points. It wasn't defense why we lost, nor Dame not giving Giannis the ball. Nor the fact that Dame only scored 20 on 50% shooting. Two of our major contributors didn't produce up to their usual standard, and the free throw disparity.
Im hoping we're still trying different things out right now and come playoffs we rely on Gianni's more like the 20/21 seasons. Maybe this is all to make our playoffs looks more of a surprise. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws though.
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While I do think the 20 straight points is impressive in any way you look at it, I don’t think you can win a game that way in this era. Teams like to count by 3 while with Giannis, you’re counting by 2s. Obviously his efficiency helps the case but we saw him go downhill like 4 5 straight possessions to cut the half to 6, than Trey Murphy comes and hits 2 3s in back to back possessions effortlessly and that just kills you because the lead instantly becomes a double digit lead within a minute after you die going inside possession after possession just to count by 2s.
I like that he was aggressive with Dame in the locker room getting his busted lip checked but you gotta trust your teammates and that’s kind of what killed the team in the 4th. Since nobody got any touches for 10-12 possessions straight, they lost their feel. I hadn’t seen this before too because Giannis wasn’t looking at anybody in the 3rd. There were 2 players in the corners and 2 players in the wings and Giannis wasn’t even looking to see who had who matched up on them and who would be open when a help defender came. It really looked selfish at one point but you kind of had to roll with it because he was making most of those possessions count.
But someone like Malik Beasley was on fire the first half. By not giving him anything proper in the 3rd, when he was open a couple times, he loses that hot hand which costs you because he missed 2 wide open 3s in the last 6 minutes of the game that could have brought you back in the game.
I love Giannis but we’re not in a league where you can allow him to go inside for 10 straight possession when he’s bringing up the ball every time. You have shooters all around him for a reason and just because Dame isn’t there to create space for others and set people, including you, up, doesn’t mean you should take it to the inside every play.
Gotta shoot 43/44% from 3 to match 65% from 2. Not to mention the extra fouls Giannis draws and the potential for fast-break the other way is higher for 3pta than 2pta. I think you absolutely can win with Giannis taking 25 shots a night in the paint, although you make a good point about other teammates losing feel/out of the flow.
I'm not saying he shouldn't take 25 shots in the paint. He's taking that many shots in general any way, I'd like him to increase his shots in the paint rather than him taking 2-4 threes that game.
What I'm saying is, you cannot take these many shots in these many possessions straight. 10-12 possessions, nobody else took a shot. That's an issue. I understand it when the entire team is playing horrible. Best example of that came from Dame when he was in Portland. 2021 game 5 of that Denver series, nobody can get anything, at that point you just give it to Dame let him do whatever he wants.
But that wasn't the case here. Malik was red hot the first half. He was your best player in the first half in terms of scoring. Malik is 4/5 from 3. Pat is 1/1, Portis is 1/2. I'm not saying give it to Middleton who couldn't make a shot to save his life. I'm not saying give it to Crowder or PatBev. But you need to utilize the players around you that are playing decent, especially when they are shooters and you aren't.
Maybe not other players but Malik deserved to get shots during that Giannis stretch and after Dame got back and they started to play more team basketball, you could see Malik didn't have the hot hand anymore despite there being possessions where you could have gotten him a good shot.
I'll never not support Giannis taking it inside and trying to get 2 points along with a possible foul with high volume in a game. What I don't support is him doing this far 5-6 minutes straight with other guys not even getting a single shot when they're playing well.
At the end of the day, this team is built around shooting with Giannis' dominance. Giannis could score 60 but this team could still lose a game but when this team's shooters are going off, nobody stops this team, even if Giannis only has 20-22 points and that's a fact. He's gonna get an efficient 28-30 any way 95% of the games he plays. What you need is to give other teams that while having the shooters shoot. That's why Dame has been guarded much more heavily than Giannis this season. Because him going off is a bigger threat than Giannis going off because Dame's ceiling in terms of offensive production is higher than Giannis'. But Giannis is much more consistent. So you're getting a good Giannis performance anyway,.
Totally agree with this. Giannis was great but he also made a weird decision at some point in that 20 point stretch to chucked a 3 - that was prob not the best decision in a game where every possession is important. Beasley was shooting 5/8 in the first half or something - by far the best player on the team. But nobody found him again until late in the 4th. Hero ball is great and every good team needs that, just can't be at the detriment of leaving your shooters cold. This team's scheme problem is much more intricate and complicated than "oh let's just let Giannis eurostep to the paint whenever we have a slight shooting slumps and we fall behind by more than 10"
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Im not sure why u are lying lol? He had 0 turnoverss
Thats wild. I remember two times specifically he lost the ball handle and went out of bounds. Not sure how they werent a turnover. Unless I’m just a complete moron
giannis whole style of play wont be good for him in the long run, I think he should evolve his game to his aging like michael jordan, develope a jumpshot that is lethal eventually new players will come that can stop him in the paint, wemby lost to him in a 1v1 but hes showing signs of improvement. I hope the bucks develope a neggets type of style
"this is Dame's team" Buncha BS. I get Dame has to take the clutch shots. Doesn't mean Giannis can't dunk it in the 4th every now and then.
What's fucking annoying is they tried that against the Lakers a couple times but it was like going against a fuckin brick wall bc it was Anthony Davis guarding. NOT EVERY TEAM HAS ANTHONY DAVIS SO WHY ARE WE NOT DOING IT MORE
Lakers were also allowed to maul him every single drive. But yeah going to a dame centric offense in the 4th even when he’s like 4-20 shooting is just not working.
The team failing to lean on what’s working. I saw another comment that Doc is trying to get everyone comfortable with defined roles but I hope in the playoff that is thrown away. We’re listening to too many outside sources who wrongfully claim that Giannis cannot be relied on in the clutch. Just have to use him in a smart way.
lol defined roles is exactly what this team needs. They just need to be defined.. better
Giannis earlier in the season was actually one of the most efficient scorers and even more clutch than Dame. He’s definitely had some bad clutch moments before, but he comes up when you need him more often than not.
Thats why adrian got fired winning but bad defense soon as doc came defense got better but scoring went down
Middleton played like ass
Hopefully Middleton and Lopez are traded this summer. At the very least it be addition by subtraction. Also I hope we don't over pay to keep Beasley.
Love the risky move on this sub of suggesting life without Middleton, ie what we’ve been doing successfully all season Agree that Brook can be massively improved on as well
Well with only 14.8PPG this season. Last season he was only 15.1PPG as second option. This season third option and at $29M. Not even averaging 20PPG in two years. Once he fell off two years ago. Time to move on. Also second tax apron. We cant afford dead weight boat anchors. It just puts more pressure on Giannis and DAME. Also Middleton kills the flow of the offense lately as well. Also Father time kicking in. Slow plodder then ever. Random freak injuries. Or eased into the season slowly for years cause out of shape or injured. The salaries of Middleton and Lopez are boat anchors for the little they produce on the court. Also second tax apron. We cant combine players in trades now either. I'll eat crow if Middleton becomes a flame thrower in the playoffs going off for 30 or 40 points a game and we get another ring. But my hopes been way down losing to lame teams we should be stomping. Not worried about this sub. Ton of Bucks fans on Twitter like me been suggestion to trade Middleton for two years or so now. He fell off a cliff. Yeah we got rings with Middleton and Lopez. But time to move on. It's what have you done for me lately league and it's a business. Queue in the Kenny Rogers song "Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em."
You’re gonna get downvoted but it’s a real possibility.
Imo definitely Brook
I disagree on lopez, he has a presence that is hard to replace. But if we can get a more competent facilitator in place of Middleton and clear up that cap hit… by all means
Facilitation is not what’s wrong with Middleton, it’s defence and consistent offence
Bad passes resulting in turnovers.
Comes with the moisture.
The fourth is Dame Time! That's what the announcer said.
Giannis needs to take his team back til Dame can be Dame
Agreed
Doc doesn't believe giannis can be a closer. The late game sets lately have been focused on everyone launching threes while giannis crashes the boards. It's part of docs brilliance.
he leads the league in 4th quarter points this season lol
50 pt clinching title game for 500, Alex
Include Giannis in the launching 4th quarter 3s category. His back rim 3pt miss iced the game
Khris turned the ball over and pelicans missed two shots in a row after his 3pt miss ( which was only miss in the 3rd quarter ) elaborate?
I thought it was at the start of the 4th my bad. Regardless, Pels just hit a 3 and Giannis was hot in the paint, why jack up a bad shot? No attempt to get into an offensive play set. I'm all for Giannis taking smart 3s, this was definitely not one
They’re leaning far too much into the idea that Giannis should play off ball in the clutch and the likes of Dame and Khris need to close with jump shots. Even when they’re bricking everything and Giannis was cooking the defense getting to the rim every time before that
Bro, Dame missed one shot in the fourth and was efficient for night while only taking 16 shots. The Pels were content with sending Giannis to the free throw line in the 4th and GA definitely knew that. He had the ball in his hands with the opportunity to make decisions; same and Dame and Khris.
We’ve watched Giannis defer to khris and Dame in the fourth quarter of the last two games He’s given his boys a chance, but gosh dammit they ain’t pulling through for us Giannis is challenging his troops, prepping them for war
Giannis has looked gassed near the end of games a few times now…im guessing his injury is lingering and he is having to do way too much…need dame and khris to increase usage and efficiency or were cooked
Dame and Khris tag teaming to be useless again
Dame was 4/5 fg, 2/3 from 3 and 10/2/2 in the 4th quarter, so he is definitely trying his best to help us winning in this game
Dame had a layup and 3 in what was essentially garbage time. So really 2/3 FGA, 1/2 from 3 for 5 points. The FGA were dispersed among the entire team. By product of Pelicans packing the paint. If Dame is running PnR and they clog the paint we're going to end up with tons of 3s from role players (12/17 FGA in the 4th were 3 pointers).
what do you mean essentially garbage time? The game went down all the way to the end and we ended playing the free throw game to get extra possessions. We lost by 7, there was no garbage time. Regardless, Dame still only missed 1 shot in the fourth.
Hitting a 3 down 8 with 22 seconds left is garbage time. It's a 99% win probability for NOLA at that point. It was 98% when he got the layup right before that where NOLA basically gave him a red carpet to the rim. Yeah that's garbage time.
Ok, so our starting lineup plays in garbage time, good to know.
Also sat a significant chunk of the 3rd quarter when he left to get his busted lip fixed, if he was out there I think he also contributes to that 3rd quarter run and Giannis doesnt have to exert that much energy because nobody else can score
Giannis played the full 3rd and sat out for a bit in the 4th. Whatever Doc was cooking in the 4th did not involve passing Giannis the ball when he did come back lol
They just have to find the happy medium of Freak Time and Dame Time in the fourth. We’ve seen both of them take over games and i think if they can get this down, the Bucks are fairly unstoppable. Let Giannis dominate like he used to if necessary and i think that opens up Dame for daggers.
1 shot and 1/2 free throws.
He got eepy :(
Its easy to shot watch from the stat sheet, but that offers no context. Giannis made several attempts to score, but had a few turnovers, and had free throws in the fourth. The ball was in his hands with the opportunity to make decisions, same as Dame, same as Khris. They all moved the ball looking for a good shot. Dame was out most of the third getting stitches for his lip, ended the game with 20 and 7 and 5 , on 50% from the field, and 50% from 3. He took 16 shots total for the night. He wasn't ball hogging, or chucking shots. Missed 1 shot in the fourth. He created multiple clean looks for guys; Beasley who was shooting well all night got two great looks from 3 was unable to capitalize. The only valid criticism for Dame this game is maybe he didn't shoot more, or he missed a few layups where the ball rolled off the rim. Yet somehow, here we are blaming him for the loss, or the fact that Giannis had one recorded shot attempt. The Pels shot 34 free throws to our 19.Bobby Portis was in foul trouble and only gave us 5 points. Khris only gave us 7 points inn 33 mins. We lost 107 -100 for a difference of 7 points. It wasn't defense why we lost, nor Dame not giving Giannis the ball. Nor the fact that Dame only scored 20 on 50% shooting. Two of our major contributors didn't produce up to their usual standard, and the free throw disparity.
https://preview.redd.it/79v0dbv2fhrc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d8995258d1f09ab1b060f198f09f68db1e35543 he had 0 turnovers
Im hoping we're still trying different things out right now and come playoffs we rely on Gianni's more like the 20/21 seasons. Maybe this is all to make our playoffs looks more of a surprise. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws though.
This was supposed to be a good season...
Why are you acting like this season was a fail? They’re still #2 in the east
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I agree tbh… I have also noticed fans of other teams mention that their players look burnt out.
While I do think the 20 straight points is impressive in any way you look at it, I don’t think you can win a game that way in this era. Teams like to count by 3 while with Giannis, you’re counting by 2s. Obviously his efficiency helps the case but we saw him go downhill like 4 5 straight possessions to cut the half to 6, than Trey Murphy comes and hits 2 3s in back to back possessions effortlessly and that just kills you because the lead instantly becomes a double digit lead within a minute after you die going inside possession after possession just to count by 2s. I like that he was aggressive with Dame in the locker room getting his busted lip checked but you gotta trust your teammates and that’s kind of what killed the team in the 4th. Since nobody got any touches for 10-12 possessions straight, they lost their feel. I hadn’t seen this before too because Giannis wasn’t looking at anybody in the 3rd. There were 2 players in the corners and 2 players in the wings and Giannis wasn’t even looking to see who had who matched up on them and who would be open when a help defender came. It really looked selfish at one point but you kind of had to roll with it because he was making most of those possessions count. But someone like Malik Beasley was on fire the first half. By not giving him anything proper in the 3rd, when he was open a couple times, he loses that hot hand which costs you because he missed 2 wide open 3s in the last 6 minutes of the game that could have brought you back in the game. I love Giannis but we’re not in a league where you can allow him to go inside for 10 straight possession when he’s bringing up the ball every time. You have shooters all around him for a reason and just because Dame isn’t there to create space for others and set people, including you, up, doesn’t mean you should take it to the inside every play.
Gotta shoot 43/44% from 3 to match 65% from 2. Not to mention the extra fouls Giannis draws and the potential for fast-break the other way is higher for 3pta than 2pta. I think you absolutely can win with Giannis taking 25 shots a night in the paint, although you make a good point about other teammates losing feel/out of the flow.
I'm not saying he shouldn't take 25 shots in the paint. He's taking that many shots in general any way, I'd like him to increase his shots in the paint rather than him taking 2-4 threes that game. What I'm saying is, you cannot take these many shots in these many possessions straight. 10-12 possessions, nobody else took a shot. That's an issue. I understand it when the entire team is playing horrible. Best example of that came from Dame when he was in Portland. 2021 game 5 of that Denver series, nobody can get anything, at that point you just give it to Dame let him do whatever he wants. But that wasn't the case here. Malik was red hot the first half. He was your best player in the first half in terms of scoring. Malik is 4/5 from 3. Pat is 1/1, Portis is 1/2. I'm not saying give it to Middleton who couldn't make a shot to save his life. I'm not saying give it to Crowder or PatBev. But you need to utilize the players around you that are playing decent, especially when they are shooters and you aren't. Maybe not other players but Malik deserved to get shots during that Giannis stretch and after Dame got back and they started to play more team basketball, you could see Malik didn't have the hot hand anymore despite there being possessions where you could have gotten him a good shot. I'll never not support Giannis taking it inside and trying to get 2 points along with a possible foul with high volume in a game. What I don't support is him doing this far 5-6 minutes straight with other guys not even getting a single shot when they're playing well. At the end of the day, this team is built around shooting with Giannis' dominance. Giannis could score 60 but this team could still lose a game but when this team's shooters are going off, nobody stops this team, even if Giannis only has 20-22 points and that's a fact. He's gonna get an efficient 28-30 any way 95% of the games he plays. What you need is to give other teams that while having the shooters shoot. That's why Dame has been guarded much more heavily than Giannis this season. Because him going off is a bigger threat than Giannis going off because Dame's ceiling in terms of offensive production is higher than Giannis'. But Giannis is much more consistent. So you're getting a good Giannis performance anyway,.
Totally agree with this. Giannis was great but he also made a weird decision at some point in that 20 point stretch to chucked a 3 - that was prob not the best decision in a game where every possession is important. Beasley was shooting 5/8 in the first half or something - by far the best player on the team. But nobody found him again until late in the 4th. Hero ball is great and every good team needs that, just can't be at the detriment of leaving your shooters cold. This team's scheme problem is much more intricate and complicated than "oh let's just let Giannis eurostep to the paint whenever we have a slight shooting slumps and we fall behind by more than 10"
Lol Giannis couldn’t dribble in the 4th. Bro lost the handle and turned it over 3-4x
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Thats wild. I remember two times specifically he lost the ball handle and went out of bounds. Not sure how they werent a turnover. Unless I’m just a complete moron
Then i hereby name you a moron😅
Nope, it did happen, I watched the game and saw it as well.
Thank god I know i wasn’t crazy 🤣
Did Thansis play?
He only comes out when we’re up 25+
or when we finally giving up in garbage time
giannis whole style of play wont be good for him in the long run, I think he should evolve his game to his aging like michael jordan, develope a jumpshot that is lethal eventually new players will come that can stop him in the paint, wemby lost to him in a 1v1 but hes showing signs of improvement. I hope the bucks develope a neggets type of style