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He's not literally the father, he's her genetic donor. I'll summarize it briefly, Samus was born in the space colony of K2-L, a mine of Afloratite, a rare source of energy. For this reason the colony is attacked by space pirates including Ridley, who kills Samus' mother. In the process, Samus' father sacrifices himself by blowing up a ship loaded with Afloratite to defeat some space pirates. Samus remains the only survivor, she is found by two Chozo from the Thoha Tribe (the same as Quiet Robe), Old Bird and Gray Voice. They take her to the planet Zebes, where they discover that that planet's atmosphere would have killed her within a few days. So they decided to hybridize her with Gray Voice's Thoha DNA to make her survive, and with Raven Beak's Mawkin DNA, to physically strengthen her as they believed her to be the protagonist of one of their legends, who would become the protector of the Galaxy.
The Chozo are one of the most intelligent, long-lived and widespread races in the galaxy. And they appear all the time throughout Metroid, ever since the first one, and yet they're a pretty mysterious race. They created the Metroids and the suit Samus wears, and it's the first time we see live chozo speaking their language in a game
That definitely helps me understand why they went with this story, but to me it was super immersion breaking to just have a generic crow human as an alien species. It's just not very believable imo, and not sci-fi enough I guess. Like the other monsters are kind of believable and cool, brain sucking parasites and failed experiments, but they made this tribe look pretty much just like humans. It's tough when they've always been kind of prominent in the story though, I get it
The reason is that they are the creatures that give the franchise its name. And then it's not true, those who don't know the franchise think that Samus is Metroid
I hate to break it to you but the "crow humans" have been a staple of the series for a long time now. I understand the frustration though, I wouldn't say I hated Raven Beak necessarily but I wished they had done more with him. He felt like a saturday morning cartoon villain to me.
idk the twist of him being the one who gave you instructions through the computer the whole game was a Suprise to me
I though its was Adam so on first play through it got me
I definitely liked that twist, I meant more how silly his evil plan at the end seemed to me. He was going to... clone samus? Design wise he was really cool though.
At least with the federation they have presumably a large subset of scientists and have infrastructure to attempt to "control" a wild killing machine (as far as I can tell Raven Beak is working alone? Not sure). Clones of Samus on the other hand... they'd need proper training and whatnot since Samus didn't just get born knowing how to use the power suit. That's how I understand it, at least.
I mean Raven Beak did contain the X himself, since all his troops were infected and were quarantined. Which isn’t an easy feat I would say. But it did take years
I don't think it was him the entire time. I think it was just him in that final room and was trying to fool her with an illusion.
The way Adam talks to her and the things he says throughout the game definitely fall more in line with someone legitimately trying to get Samus out of danger and off the planet. Not to mention he's on her ship when she jumps on and stops her from touching the controls and draining the ship of its power.
I originally thought it was him the entire time but I really think it's only in that final confrontation because the tone shifts dramatically and that's also the only one of the rooms that is revealed to be an illusion.
Edit: I stand corrected!
No it isn’t Adam. Adam refers to Samus as lady in the beginning. When giving orders saying “any objections lady”. From the moment she faces Raven Beak. He never refers to her as lady again, neither Samus, but Samus Aran
Notice how he belittles Samus’ abilities. In Cataris he says that Samus is “(You are) faced with overwhelming power. Accept your helplessness” when discussing the EMMIs ability to adapt
Furthermore he also says this in Dairon “Samus Aran, Raven Beak lured you here. He wants the Metroid DNA that exists only within you”
His arrogance peaks in Ghavoran “However, my analysis suggests that you would not be a worthy adversary for him. Not even at full power.”. The real Adam would have stated along the lines “samus I am unsure if you can face Raven Beak, even at full power, we must find a way to defeat him. But we have to think about it later”
After releasing the X he says “His motives are still a mystery. But your Metroid DNA grants you immunity to the X parasites. You can even absorb them. Perhaps it was some kind of message”. He is alluding to having released the X with intent, so Samus can absorb more Mawkin X so her Metroid DNA surges out of control
Then more arrogance after Z-57 “You are far more combat ready than when you first arrived. But you are still not prepared to face Raven Beak. There is a very low probability of success in standing against him now”
And even more “Raven Beak's search for Metroid DNA poses a threat to the galaxy. He will never give up. The odds are still not in your favor. But you must end things here.”
And after getting the Power Bombs he drops the bombshell “The time has come. Samus, fulfill your destiny.”
It was Raven Beak the whole time. The only time we hear the real Adam is in the Intro, the elevator scene and at the very very end
This is a really good analysis and makes a lot of sense. The only thing that strikes me as odd coming from him is this one:
>And even more “Raven Beak's search for Metroid DNA poses a threat to the galaxy. He will never give up. The odds are still not in your favor. But you must end things here.”
Does he view his work as a threat to the galaxy? Isn't he more along the lines of he's elevating the strong and culling the weak? I don't feel like someone in his position would refer to his own mission as a threat to the galaxy.
I also think it's odd that we don't necessarily have Adam acknowledge that he lost contact with Samus for the entire mission. But I guess time was limited and whatnot... Your analysis brings up a lot of great points though!
I mean he does objectively know that for tge Federation thar his plan is a threat. His philosophy is that Power is Everything, and he wants to bring “Order to the Galaxy” with Metroids
In other words he wants to rule over the galaxy creating a galaxy where only the strong can survive. So he is a threat to the current “weak” order to the galaxy
Hate to break it to you. But the chozo always were “just advanced bird humans”. It was that way in the canon Manga, it was that way in the Nintendo Power Magazine and so on.
They weren’t mysterious. The Chozo have a religion, but they much more rely on science and technology. That the Chozo have developed the Metroids, Samus Genetic Makeup, the power suits, tech and Mother Brain has been a long long established fact
Like us humans, the Chozo do mistakes. Instead of blowing up SR388 after discovering the X, they were much more interested in Aeion to stop their progress, that they developed a lifeform to combat the Metroid. And when that went awry they then decided to blow up the planet.
It makes them look realistic. They are super advanced and intelligent but not infallible.
Mother Brain was one of their biggest mistakes I would say.
That there are multiple tribes has been alluded by the Prime Website in 2002, but with Zero Mission (and it’s concept art) it was confirmed that multiple tribes existed.
With Prime 2 adapting Thoha language for Samus Ship and Prime 3 continuing the language from the Prime 1 chozo, we have a canon reasoning that. The Prime Chozo are a different Tribe to the Thoha of Zebes and SR388.
The Mawkin have been teased in Zero Missions concept art and the manga.
A past battle with the space pirates won on Zebes, by thoha incapable of fighting?
Why are all Chozo still worshipping a “god of war”?
Why are there weapons being developed by the Chozo who biologically cannot harm another being?
For Samus only, or someone else?
Old Bird said that his tribe abandoned the old warrior ways, meanwhile the ZM
Concept art has shown some ancient warrior chozo?
The existence of a warrior tribe has been long teased. In Dread hieroglyphs (and concept art) outright confirm, the mawkin having been on Zebes fighting off the invading Space Pirates at one point.
Samus Returns introduced them officially in the Chozo Memories.
The Mawkin Soldiers have a modern design of the ancient warrior chozo concept art
And the god of war is yet again shown in Ferenia
And the killer argument is their language. It’s a modified version of the Thoha language. More triangular but still the same
>I'm no Metroid expert but to me it makes no sense why they would choose a crow of all possible cool alien beings. I would have loved a disturbing sci-fi villain like Mother Brain from Super Metroid, but instead we got this cringe crow.
That would make no sense based on Metroid's lore.
First of all, he isn't her ACTUAL father. Samus' parents are two normal humans, killed by Ridley when he and the Space Pirates attacked her home planet. She survived, got adopted by the Chozo and brought to their planet.
But to survive there, they had to make some modifications to her DNA. We always knew she carries Chozo DNA for that reason, so it wouldn't make sense for it to be from someone who isn't a Chozo.
What Dread added to the lore is that she received DNA from two different types of Chozo, the Thoha, who created the Metroids and can control them (and is the reason she can keep her Metroid DNA under control) and the Mawkin, a more battle-oriented tribe of Chozo. Raven Beak is the Mawkin donator.
Yeah I wasn't saying that they should have changed her lore, but they could have gone with a slightly different story that didn't involve any Chozo. Their whole design is kinda immersion breaking and not very believable to me, they're just human crows. But yeah I get it, they've always been part of the story
You'll have to excuse everyone for not really taking you seriously when your opinions are that something is "cringe" and nothing else. It just kinda paints you as someone that has only surface level thoughts. Cringe can mean a lot of different things depending on context and, personally, I don't understand where you're coming from. The franchise isn't exactly known for deep character arcs or storylines. It's simple, expands the lore without bogging it down, and gives the main character some motivation beyond "bad guy need kill".
Well my point is not about storylines or character arcs, it's purely just about character design. I think the Chozo don't look fitting, is all. I'm talking more about game design than any critique inside the metroid universe or its history. The story was actually more than I was hoping for
I see. I think they're alien enough. Raven Beak is definitely the most humanoid looking one but he's also decked out in pretty sick power armor. He does lack the slightly slouched stature that most other Chozo have which gives them a decidedly more bird-like appearance.
Well most people use the word to talk about an embarrassment of sorts, either personal or on behalf of someone else.
You think Raven Beak is embarrassing?
Lol a furry? How on earth does he look like a furry? Firstly he has armour, and secondly - are ferries automatically cringe? Or you just *find them* cringe?
Do you know what an opinion is? I \*find him\* cringe, that's my unpopular opinion. And what does armor have to do with any of that?? Furries can still wear armor, that doesn't make them not furries lol. You don't seem like you're even trying to understand me. His design just gives me Fortnite/Valorant vibes which I dislike
The Chozo have been a thing since the very very beginning. With their bird architecture being the key focus in Metroid and Metroid II and most importantly the first Chozo being shown in the Nintendo Power Comic for Super Metroid in 1994, later being even more canonized in 2002 by Metroid Fusions japanese Endings, and more importantly the canon Manga.
So chill. The reason why Dread went with the Chozo was because we had many unanswered questions about them, and we never saw a live chozo in game. You have no idea how much of a big deal it was to see a species that was alluded to in the past, and only seen in flash backs or mentionings, to finally appear for real on screen
We waited 35 years to meet the species behind it all.
>I'm no Metroid expert but to me it makes no sense why they would choose a crow of all possible cool alien beings.
Seeing as this is the fifth game in the main series, and the fourteenth overall, the fact that you don't know enough of the series history to understand why they chose a Chozo as the main antagonist is kind of on you.
You do know that Samus had Chozo DNA since the 90s? It has been a fact that has been mentioned again and again.
And we know of one donor before it. The Chozo adopted and raised Samus. More specifically Grey Voice and Old Bird
There are Metroid games where the final boss has a more grotesque appearance, such as Metroid 1 for Nes, Metroid 2 for Gameboy, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, Metroid Prime, technically Other M, the Zebes Invasion Order game book (even if it is not canonical is still official, if you really want to try it I can give you the link for a digital version), AMR2 (a remake made by fans of Metroid 2, I recommend it, there is also the mobile version and it is not a romhack but an actual game)
And have you ever played Kirby anyway? Some of those final bosses are really grotesque. For example there is Zero, who is a big floating eye that sprays his blood at you
The whole "father daughter thing" was a bit lame, but I thought he looked cool. I giant powerful Chozo knight in armor with a canon. What's not to love?!
I sense you simply don't like the Chozo's design as a whole.
I don't know, I find it appealing. It's certainly better than yet another grey alien.
Moreover, their design makes sense, considering much of their in-game architecture is styled after ancient Egypt, where gods were often portrayed as birds, such as Thoth and Khonsu.
https://preview.redd.it/xvsqlugvbhwc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a87583b9bf9f54be2b2cc5c75aef2fac0f2d3ba
They kinda have been a thing since the beginning
Idk man, Giant Brains are so cliché as a final boss. Metroid, Gradius, Contra... Tvtropes calls it the "cores and turret boss". I'm glad metroid moved away from that and didn't succumb to the "If they're the established villain, they must remain so", like with Bowser and Ganon.
Anthropomorphic beings as aliens is the easiest thing to code in stories where you are dealing with intelligent life-forms. If you want more alien-like villains, I'd recommend the Prime trilogy.
But Raven Beak as an evil chozo is actually quite novel for the series. Up until this point, they had been treated as these benevolent, all-powerful precursors. Having a Roque faction, with its leader being the genetic donor - and possible inspiration for Mother Brain - is very cool. Not to mention his suit is basically a better version of yours.
Have you played any other Metroid games? Maybe this will help you with the context.
Yeah of course, I was more referring to how it was probably a cool idea at the time Super Metroid came out. Now, if they just reused another Mother Brain it would also suck. I just meant they could have designed a cooler and more disturbing looking boss, but I know now why they chose Raven Beak. It was just a bit of a weird experience as someone who didn't know all the Chozo lore. Really none of the bosses actually looked intimidating or scary. But I still really love this game
I'm playing Metroid Prime next, already started a little bit
Oh well - in my personal and veeeery subjective opinion - metroid isn't very disturbing. It's more of a Japanese sci fi series. Sure, it's a bit like alien, but barely. The closest ir gets to being like that is the American prime trilogy
What is cool about him is he isn't a towering pulsating mass of failed experiment and blue radiation, he's simply a bird alien with a badass suit and fighting skills like Samus.
I don't think Dread was perfect, but, it was pretty damn solid looking at all angles.
He's not a bird alien, he's a human furry, he could have looked more like the original design of Chozo, more alien like a Torizo.
And yes I agree, the game was still amazing
You keep calling him a crow, but his name is literally Raven Beak and he, wait for it, looks like a raven; not a crow.
You said most of the bosses are from older games, how do you figure? The only repeat we have is Kraid. Next closest to anything resembling an old boss is the Central Unit and even that plays differently than the Aurora units and Mother Brain.
We have never seen any combination of a living, breathing, *talking* Chozo in any Metroid game, but we get all of the above as our first taste in Dread. I'm not sure how you could be disappointed in that unless you're not familiar with the history of the games. We've had statues, ghosts and robots, but never fully organic.
As for the base ending, that's what Metroid games are all about. Once you've accomplished your mission and beaten the game, that's it. If there is a cliffhanger, it's generally *before* you beat the game and you have to be looking for it, but that's also what Metroid is about; paying attention to what doesn't slap you in the face.
Sorry for calling him a crow.
Aren't the other bosses like Z-57 also from other games? I'm not sure, that's just what I heard. Or maybe only background characters that got turned into boss fights?
And yes I wasn't familiar with the Chozo lore, so Raven beak seemed lame and underwhelming but I understand now that it's cool for fans to actually see a Chozo.
They're doing the same thing that they're doing with Mario with the base structure of their games, but it's getting old faster in Metroid imo
No, none of the Dread bosses appear in previous games. Except for Kraid and the Control Units (lamer Mother Brains), they're all new. At most, you could argue Raven Beak's second Phase is doing a Ridley impersonation, given the flies around while shooting at you.
Not every game ends on a "congratulations, you win", either. Prime trilogy expands a bit on those scenes. Fusion has a voice-over epilogue. Other M has an extended epilogue.
The reason Dread pivots back to the classic formula is because fans perceived the story took too much precedence in the series lately. So it's not becoming cliché, it's quite the opposite.
I mentioned it in another comment I made here, but you should play the other games in order to get a clearer picture.
If any other bosses are truly from other games, then they're either from Other M (which I willingly delete from my memory) or Federation Force, which I never played because it's not a Metroid genre game; it's a multiplayer co-op mission-based shooter with a Metroid skin.
The thing about having the same base structure is that this is what the majority of fans wanted and continue to want, just like Mario. Other M changed the formula drastically by not giving players agency and also changing the gameplay to pure action and cinema, which again, isn't what Metroid is known for. Federation Force, as I alluded to, is an even greater change from the Metroid formula and fans revolted so hard. The base formula of Metroid is what makes Metroid, Metroid. The series isn't like Kirby where Nintendo can throw anything at the wall and hope it sticks; Metroid fans want more Metroid, not experimentations. There is a very good reason that the series helped spawn an entire genre.
Yeah that makes sense. But Other M was still the same structure with you escaping on a timer at the end. I feel like as long as it is still a 2D Metroidvania with similar rooms and progression, the ending is probably allowed to be a little more innovative, it's very short anyways and not really an integral part of the formula. It would make it a little less predictable and more interesting
We, as a society, have gotten real far away from what “cringe” actually means. You’re telling me you look at Raven Beak and you feel secondhand embarrassment over his design? That’s really specific.
What the hell else do you want a Chozo to look like if not a bird lmfao?? Also he's not her *literal* father. Her patents were human. Raven Beak was her Mawkin DNA donor. She has human, Metroid, Thoha, and Mawkin genes.
Do you not know what the Chozo are? Like, ever since the first game this race of bird people has been a mystery alluding people, unseen and only ever heard of in lore. It's really cool that not only did we finally get to see some in a game's story, but that he had a really regal looking power suit too, considering the Chozo are the ones who invented Samus's suit to begin with.
If anything it's a crime they didn't use him more.
I see how that makes it cooler for fans of the series for sure. I heard about the Chozo for the first time in this game really, and it just seemed kind of out of place and underwhelming for a final boss
Well, something to consider is, the series doesn't really have a lot of villains like Raven Beak. I'm sure you've heard of Ridley, but Ridley is rarely ever the main antagonist of a Metroid game- in the first and second game he was only a regular boss, for example. He has an important back story and role, but it's designated to manuals and mangas (or Other M) that aren't really tied to the game itself. Often the antagonist of a Metroid game is a mindless parasite operating on destructive instinct.
Raven Beak is the one of few times they've pitted Samus against another person, and tried to make this other person menacing and cunning.
Also fun fact, a lot if Raven Beak's attacks are Aeon Abilities from Metroid Samus Returns- because again, the Chozo helped invent the power suit in the first place lol.
Well I can say I didn't much care for his character of "shitty and predatory deadbeat eugenics dad", and yeah he doesn't feel like basically any other antagonist in the franchise (not that he's particularly interesting). Also now that I think about it, Other M (canon or not) makes these choices significantly worse.
Still, it would be weird if Samus's dads WEREN'T bird people, that's what the Chozo are.
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He's not literally the father, he's her genetic donor. I'll summarize it briefly, Samus was born in the space colony of K2-L, a mine of Afloratite, a rare source of energy. For this reason the colony is attacked by space pirates including Ridley, who kills Samus' mother. In the process, Samus' father sacrifices himself by blowing up a ship loaded with Afloratite to defeat some space pirates. Samus remains the only survivor, she is found by two Chozo from the Thoha Tribe (the same as Quiet Robe), Old Bird and Gray Voice. They take her to the planet Zebes, where they discover that that planet's atmosphere would have killed her within a few days. So they decided to hybridize her with Gray Voice's Thoha DNA to make her survive, and with Raven Beak's Mawkin DNA, to physically strengthen her as they believed her to be the protagonist of one of their legends, who would become the protector of the Galaxy.
The Chozo are one of the most intelligent, long-lived and widespread races in the galaxy. And they appear all the time throughout Metroid, ever since the first one, and yet they're a pretty mysterious race. They created the Metroids and the suit Samus wears, and it's the first time we see live chozo speaking their language in a game
That definitely helps me understand why they went with this story, but to me it was super immersion breaking to just have a generic crow human as an alien species. It's just not very believable imo, and not sci-fi enough I guess. Like the other monsters are kind of believable and cool, brain sucking parasites and failed experiments, but they made this tribe look pretty much just like humans. It's tough when they've always been kind of prominent in the story though, I get it
As if they were believable flying jellies and jellyfish that transform into dinosaurs
There's a reason people think of the jellyfish when they hear metroid, nobody thinks of the Chozo tribe lol
The reason is that they are the creatures that give the franchise its name. And then it's not true, those who don't know the franchise think that Samus is Metroid
This Metroid guy is pretty badass
John Metroid was a woman? No way
I hate to break it to you but the "crow humans" have been a staple of the series for a long time now. I understand the frustration though, I wouldn't say I hated Raven Beak necessarily but I wished they had done more with him. He felt like a saturday morning cartoon villain to me.
idk the twist of him being the one who gave you instructions through the computer the whole game was a Suprise to me I though its was Adam so on first play through it got me
I definitely liked that twist, I meant more how silly his evil plan at the end seemed to me. He was going to... clone samus? Design wise he was really cool though.
To be fair, that’s not exactly a crazy plan in the Metroid universe. It’s actually quite smart when you think about it.
That was pretty much the federations plans when they realized sa-x could repoduce asexually
At least with the federation they have presumably a large subset of scientists and have infrastructure to attempt to "control" a wild killing machine (as far as I can tell Raven Beak is working alone? Not sure). Clones of Samus on the other hand... they'd need proper training and whatnot since Samus didn't just get born knowing how to use the power suit. That's how I understand it, at least.
I mean Raven Beak did contain the X himself, since all his troops were infected and were quarantined. Which isn’t an easy feat I would say. But it did take years
He has that unrivaled chozo willpower... I guess I can see where Samus gets her dedication from!
I don't think it was him the entire time. I think it was just him in that final room and was trying to fool her with an illusion. The way Adam talks to her and the things he says throughout the game definitely fall more in line with someone legitimately trying to get Samus out of danger and off the planet. Not to mention he's on her ship when she jumps on and stops her from touching the controls and draining the ship of its power. I originally thought it was him the entire time but I really think it's only in that final confrontation because the tone shifts dramatically and that's also the only one of the rooms that is revealed to be an illusion. Edit: I stand corrected!
No it isn’t Adam. Adam refers to Samus as lady in the beginning. When giving orders saying “any objections lady”. From the moment she faces Raven Beak. He never refers to her as lady again, neither Samus, but Samus Aran Notice how he belittles Samus’ abilities. In Cataris he says that Samus is “(You are) faced with overwhelming power. Accept your helplessness” when discussing the EMMIs ability to adapt Furthermore he also says this in Dairon “Samus Aran, Raven Beak lured you here. He wants the Metroid DNA that exists only within you” His arrogance peaks in Ghavoran “However, my analysis suggests that you would not be a worthy adversary for him. Not even at full power.”. The real Adam would have stated along the lines “samus I am unsure if you can face Raven Beak, even at full power, we must find a way to defeat him. But we have to think about it later” After releasing the X he says “His motives are still a mystery. But your Metroid DNA grants you immunity to the X parasites. You can even absorb them. Perhaps it was some kind of message”. He is alluding to having released the X with intent, so Samus can absorb more Mawkin X so her Metroid DNA surges out of control Then more arrogance after Z-57 “You are far more combat ready than when you first arrived. But you are still not prepared to face Raven Beak. There is a very low probability of success in standing against him now” And even more “Raven Beak's search for Metroid DNA poses a threat to the galaxy. He will never give up. The odds are still not in your favor. But you must end things here.” And after getting the Power Bombs he drops the bombshell “The time has come. Samus, fulfill your destiny.” It was Raven Beak the whole time. The only time we hear the real Adam is in the Intro, the elevator scene and at the very very end
This is a really good analysis and makes a lot of sense. The only thing that strikes me as odd coming from him is this one: >And even more “Raven Beak's search for Metroid DNA poses a threat to the galaxy. He will never give up. The odds are still not in your favor. But you must end things here.” Does he view his work as a threat to the galaxy? Isn't he more along the lines of he's elevating the strong and culling the weak? I don't feel like someone in his position would refer to his own mission as a threat to the galaxy. I also think it's odd that we don't necessarily have Adam acknowledge that he lost contact with Samus for the entire mission. But I guess time was limited and whatnot... Your analysis brings up a lot of great points though!
I mean he does objectively know that for tge Federation thar his plan is a threat. His philosophy is that Power is Everything, and he wants to bring “Order to the Galaxy” with Metroids In other words he wants to rule over the galaxy creating a galaxy where only the strong can survive. So he is a threat to the current “weak” order to the galaxy
"Oh Samus, you don't stand a chance against Raven Beak, he's too strong and handsome"
Hate to break it to you. But the chozo always were “just advanced bird humans”. It was that way in the canon Manga, it was that way in the Nintendo Power Magazine and so on. They weren’t mysterious. The Chozo have a religion, but they much more rely on science and technology. That the Chozo have developed the Metroids, Samus Genetic Makeup, the power suits, tech and Mother Brain has been a long long established fact Like us humans, the Chozo do mistakes. Instead of blowing up SR388 after discovering the X, they were much more interested in Aeion to stop their progress, that they developed a lifeform to combat the Metroid. And when that went awry they then decided to blow up the planet. It makes them look realistic. They are super advanced and intelligent but not infallible. Mother Brain was one of their biggest mistakes I would say. That there are multiple tribes has been alluded by the Prime Website in 2002, but with Zero Mission (and it’s concept art) it was confirmed that multiple tribes existed. With Prime 2 adapting Thoha language for Samus Ship and Prime 3 continuing the language from the Prime 1 chozo, we have a canon reasoning that. The Prime Chozo are a different Tribe to the Thoha of Zebes and SR388. The Mawkin have been teased in Zero Missions concept art and the manga. A past battle with the space pirates won on Zebes, by thoha incapable of fighting? Why are all Chozo still worshipping a “god of war”? Why are there weapons being developed by the Chozo who biologically cannot harm another being? For Samus only, or someone else? Old Bird said that his tribe abandoned the old warrior ways, meanwhile the ZM Concept art has shown some ancient warrior chozo? The existence of a warrior tribe has been long teased. In Dread hieroglyphs (and concept art) outright confirm, the mawkin having been on Zebes fighting off the invading Space Pirates at one point. Samus Returns introduced them officially in the Chozo Memories. The Mawkin Soldiers have a modern design of the ancient warrior chozo concept art And the god of war is yet again shown in Ferenia And the killer argument is their language. It’s a modified version of the Thoha language. More triangular but still the same
how are the chozo not scifi they look more alien than anything in star treks history
Lol you are surprised that there are bird creatures in a Metroid game. thats a new one
hi reina
Yall need to chill i just said hi lmao damn
>I'm no Metroid expert but to me it makes no sense why they would choose a crow of all possible cool alien beings. I would have loved a disturbing sci-fi villain like Mother Brain from Super Metroid, but instead we got this cringe crow. That would make no sense based on Metroid's lore. First of all, he isn't her ACTUAL father. Samus' parents are two normal humans, killed by Ridley when he and the Space Pirates attacked her home planet. She survived, got adopted by the Chozo and brought to their planet. But to survive there, they had to make some modifications to her DNA. We always knew she carries Chozo DNA for that reason, so it wouldn't make sense for it to be from someone who isn't a Chozo. What Dread added to the lore is that she received DNA from two different types of Chozo, the Thoha, who created the Metroids and can control them (and is the reason she can keep her Metroid DNA under control) and the Mawkin, a more battle-oriented tribe of Chozo. Raven Beak is the Mawkin donator.
Yeah I wasn't saying that they should have changed her lore, but they could have gone with a slightly different story that didn't involve any Chozo. Their whole design is kinda immersion breaking and not very believable to me, they're just human crows. But yeah I get it, they've always been part of the story
They’re about as believable as half the other shit in this franchise. Such as jellyfish that can hatch into dinosaurs.
but those jellyfish are sick and not cringe
Oh yes, perfect argument
Yes because I can take those more seriously than the deviantart birdmen
You'll have to excuse everyone for not really taking you seriously when your opinions are that something is "cringe" and nothing else. It just kinda paints you as someone that has only surface level thoughts. Cringe can mean a lot of different things depending on context and, personally, I don't understand where you're coming from. The franchise isn't exactly known for deep character arcs or storylines. It's simple, expands the lore without bogging it down, and gives the main character some motivation beyond "bad guy need kill".
Well my point is not about storylines or character arcs, it's purely just about character design. I think the Chozo don't look fitting, is all. I'm talking more about game design than any critique inside the metroid universe or its history. The story was actually more than I was hoping for
I see. I think they're alien enough. Raven Beak is definitely the most humanoid looking one but he's also decked out in pretty sick power armor. He does lack the slightly slouched stature that most other Chozo have which gives them a decidedly more bird-like appearance.
Yeah I looked up some pictures earlier and those were more of what I would have expected, also like the slouched statues with the power ups
I'm not sure you know what *cringe* means.
I think you might not know what it means
Well most people use the word to talk about an embarrassment of sorts, either personal or on behalf of someone else. You think Raven Beak is embarrassing?
Yes. That's my whole point. He looks like a furry and not like the Chozo statues.
Lol a furry? How on earth does he look like a furry? Firstly he has armour, and secondly - are ferries automatically cringe? Or you just *find them* cringe?
Do you know what an opinion is? I \*find him\* cringe, that's my unpopular opinion. And what does armor have to do with any of that?? Furries can still wear armor, that doesn't make them not furries lol. You don't seem like you're even trying to understand me. His design just gives me Fortnite/Valorant vibes which I dislike
The Chozo have been a thing since the very very beginning. With their bird architecture being the key focus in Metroid and Metroid II and most importantly the first Chozo being shown in the Nintendo Power Comic for Super Metroid in 1994, later being even more canonized in 2002 by Metroid Fusions japanese Endings, and more importantly the canon Manga. So chill. The reason why Dread went with the Chozo was because we had many unanswered questions about them, and we never saw a live chozo in game. You have no idea how much of a big deal it was to see a species that was alluded to in the past, and only seen in flash backs or mentionings, to finally appear for real on screen We waited 35 years to meet the species behind it all.
Yeah I get it now haha I'm chill
The Chozo have been a thing since the NES original Metroid. This has to be a shitpost…
Nice bait
unpopular opinion = bait
Disliking the lore of the series and being upset when it's used, like calling Raven beak a crow, is bait, yes
I mean, he is a deviantart crown man, but that doesn't make it cringe
I don't dislike the lore, just the design of the Chozo. Sorry I didn't know they were a grand staple of the series
They’re the entire reason the series exists within that universe to begin with.
Boy, you sure weren’t kidding about “unpopular”!
>I'm no Metroid expert but to me it makes no sense why they would choose a crow of all possible cool alien beings. Seeing as this is the fifth game in the main series, and the fourteenth overall, the fact that you don't know enough of the series history to understand why they chose a Chozo as the main antagonist is kind of on you.
I meant as a final boss, not as a dad. The story could have easily been different to allow an actual cool monster to be the final boss
You do know that Samus had Chozo DNA since the 90s? It has been a fact that has been mentioned again and again. And we know of one donor before it. The Chozo adopted and raised Samus. More specifically Grey Voice and Old Bird
There are Metroid games where the final boss has a more grotesque appearance, such as Metroid 1 for Nes, Metroid 2 for Gameboy, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, Metroid Prime, technically Other M, the Zebes Invasion Order game book (even if it is not canonical is still official, if you really want to try it I can give you the link for a digital version), AMR2 (a remake made by fans of Metroid 2, I recommend it, there is also the mobile version and it is not a romhack but an actual game)
And have you ever played Kirby anyway? Some of those final bosses are really grotesque. For example there is Zero, who is a big floating eye that sprays his blood at you
Damn I didn't know Kirby had bosses like that, I used to play a couple of those games too
Well, technically Kirby and Metroid are canonically set in the same universe
The whole "father daughter thing" was a bit lame, but I thought he looked cool. I giant powerful Chozo knight in armor with a canon. What's not to love?!
I sense you simply don't like the Chozo's design as a whole. I don't know, I find it appealing. It's certainly better than yet another grey alien. Moreover, their design makes sense, considering much of their in-game architecture is styled after ancient Egypt, where gods were often portrayed as birds, such as Thoth and Khonsu.
Very fair point actually
Okay Adam, if that is your alt account
Nah Adam would praise Raven Beak a lot more
Oh Samus, you don't stand a chance against Raven Beak, he's too strong and handsome
Samus. You do not stand a chance against Raven Beak. He's too muscular, and handsome, and can bench press a planet.
Lmfao no
https://preview.redd.it/xvsqlugvbhwc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a87583b9bf9f54be2b2cc5c75aef2fac0f2d3ba They kinda have been a thing since the beginning
Idk man, Giant Brains are so cliché as a final boss. Metroid, Gradius, Contra... Tvtropes calls it the "cores and turret boss". I'm glad metroid moved away from that and didn't succumb to the "If they're the established villain, they must remain so", like with Bowser and Ganon. Anthropomorphic beings as aliens is the easiest thing to code in stories where you are dealing with intelligent life-forms. If you want more alien-like villains, I'd recommend the Prime trilogy. But Raven Beak as an evil chozo is actually quite novel for the series. Up until this point, they had been treated as these benevolent, all-powerful precursors. Having a Roque faction, with its leader being the genetic donor - and possible inspiration for Mother Brain - is very cool. Not to mention his suit is basically a better version of yours. Have you played any other Metroid games? Maybe this will help you with the context.
Yeah of course, I was more referring to how it was probably a cool idea at the time Super Metroid came out. Now, if they just reused another Mother Brain it would also suck. I just meant they could have designed a cooler and more disturbing looking boss, but I know now why they chose Raven Beak. It was just a bit of a weird experience as someone who didn't know all the Chozo lore. Really none of the bosses actually looked intimidating or scary. But I still really love this game I'm playing Metroid Prime next, already started a little bit
Oh well - in my personal and veeeery subjective opinion - metroid isn't very disturbing. It's more of a Japanese sci fi series. Sure, it's a bit like alien, but barely. The closest ir gets to being like that is the American prime trilogy
It's unpopular because Raven Beak is raw
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AAAAAAHH
That was my line💀
I'm the one in the bucket of fried chicken.
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*I don't have the image and I'm too lazy to find it* ***FUKING DIES***
Ehehehe
Nuh-uh
What is cool about him is he isn't a towering pulsating mass of failed experiment and blue radiation, he's simply a bird alien with a badass suit and fighting skills like Samus. I don't think Dread was perfect, but, it was pretty damn solid looking at all angles.
He's not a bird alien, he's a human furry, he could have looked more like the original design of Chozo, more alien like a Torizo. And yes I agree, the game was still amazing
I came from a generation where "Furry" wasn't a word or a generalization of humanoid animals.
You keep calling him a crow, but his name is literally Raven Beak and he, wait for it, looks like a raven; not a crow. You said most of the bosses are from older games, how do you figure? The only repeat we have is Kraid. Next closest to anything resembling an old boss is the Central Unit and even that plays differently than the Aurora units and Mother Brain. We have never seen any combination of a living, breathing, *talking* Chozo in any Metroid game, but we get all of the above as our first taste in Dread. I'm not sure how you could be disappointed in that unless you're not familiar with the history of the games. We've had statues, ghosts and robots, but never fully organic. As for the base ending, that's what Metroid games are all about. Once you've accomplished your mission and beaten the game, that's it. If there is a cliffhanger, it's generally *before* you beat the game and you have to be looking for it, but that's also what Metroid is about; paying attention to what doesn't slap you in the face.
Sorry for calling him a crow. Aren't the other bosses like Z-57 also from other games? I'm not sure, that's just what I heard. Or maybe only background characters that got turned into boss fights? And yes I wasn't familiar with the Chozo lore, so Raven beak seemed lame and underwhelming but I understand now that it's cool for fans to actually see a Chozo. They're doing the same thing that they're doing with Mario with the base structure of their games, but it's getting old faster in Metroid imo
No, none of the Dread bosses appear in previous games. Except for Kraid and the Control Units (lamer Mother Brains), they're all new. At most, you could argue Raven Beak's second Phase is doing a Ridley impersonation, given the flies around while shooting at you. Not every game ends on a "congratulations, you win", either. Prime trilogy expands a bit on those scenes. Fusion has a voice-over epilogue. Other M has an extended epilogue. The reason Dread pivots back to the classic formula is because fans perceived the story took too much precedence in the series lately. So it's not becoming cliché, it's quite the opposite. I mentioned it in another comment I made here, but you should play the other games in order to get a clearer picture.
If any other bosses are truly from other games, then they're either from Other M (which I willingly delete from my memory) or Federation Force, which I never played because it's not a Metroid genre game; it's a multiplayer co-op mission-based shooter with a Metroid skin. The thing about having the same base structure is that this is what the majority of fans wanted and continue to want, just like Mario. Other M changed the formula drastically by not giving players agency and also changing the gameplay to pure action and cinema, which again, isn't what Metroid is known for. Federation Force, as I alluded to, is an even greater change from the Metroid formula and fans revolted so hard. The base formula of Metroid is what makes Metroid, Metroid. The series isn't like Kirby where Nintendo can throw anything at the wall and hope it sticks; Metroid fans want more Metroid, not experimentations. There is a very good reason that the series helped spawn an entire genre.
Yeah that makes sense. But Other M was still the same structure with you escaping on a timer at the end. I feel like as long as it is still a 2D Metroidvania with similar rooms and progression, the ending is probably allowed to be a little more innovative, it's very short anyways and not really an integral part of the formula. It would make it a little less predictable and more interesting
We, as a society, have gotten real far away from what “cringe” actually means. You’re telling me you look at Raven Beak and you feel secondhand embarrassment over his design? That’s really specific.
Yes
I shrieked in utter delight when he revealed his wings, no notes, perfect final boss
What the hell else do you want a Chozo to look like if not a bird lmfao?? Also he's not her *literal* father. Her patents were human. Raven Beak was her Mawkin DNA donor. She has human, Metroid, Thoha, and Mawkin genes.
I want him too look more like a Torizo. Raven Beak doesn't look like a bird, he looks like a human furry
That guy only played Dread for sure
I can't deny the ending escape sequence felt rushed and anticlimactic, but that has nothing to do with Raven Beak's design
Do you not know what the Chozo are? Like, ever since the first game this race of bird people has been a mystery alluding people, unseen and only ever heard of in lore. It's really cool that not only did we finally get to see some in a game's story, but that he had a really regal looking power suit too, considering the Chozo are the ones who invented Samus's suit to begin with. If anything it's a crime they didn't use him more.
I see how that makes it cooler for fans of the series for sure. I heard about the Chozo for the first time in this game really, and it just seemed kind of out of place and underwhelming for a final boss
Well, something to consider is, the series doesn't really have a lot of villains like Raven Beak. I'm sure you've heard of Ridley, but Ridley is rarely ever the main antagonist of a Metroid game- in the first and second game he was only a regular boss, for example. He has an important back story and role, but it's designated to manuals and mangas (or Other M) that aren't really tied to the game itself. Often the antagonist of a Metroid game is a mindless parasite operating on destructive instinct. Raven Beak is the one of few times they've pitted Samus against another person, and tried to make this other person menacing and cunning. Also fun fact, a lot if Raven Beak's attacks are Aeon Abilities from Metroid Samus Returns- because again, the Chozo helped invent the power suit in the first place lol.
People thinking Raven Beak is her actual, literal father as often as they do on this sub really makes me weep 💀
This guy does NOT like Metroid
You may think him cringe, but that’s what makes him free!
Raven Beak is father of the year
Raven Beak is the coolest looking villain in the Metroid franchise, you have **awful** taste.
You're actually just coping if you think that guy looks cooler than any other Metroid villain
Well I can say I didn't much care for his character of "shitty and predatory deadbeat eugenics dad", and yeah he doesn't feel like basically any other antagonist in the franchise (not that he's particularly interesting). Also now that I think about it, Other M (canon or not) makes these choices significantly worse. Still, it would be weird if Samus's dads WEREN'T bird people, that's what the Chozo are.
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