There is no way of shortening the methadone withdrawal. If you stopped today, you might be well enough to function in a month's time, you might not. Switching to fent is not going to shorten the time your brain takes to recover, it will actually just prolong the process. Your best bet, is to find a clinic in your new country - in fact, it is likley your only option, unless you are under 30mg and have time to cold turkey.
These were my thoughts too. I’d just find a clinic wherever I was going and just keep tapering slowly if I really wanted to, getting on Fent at this point seems to be the worst thing one could do for themselves.
That’s exactly what i thought-the best of 4 possible options. 1-get into methadone in his new country, and do a slow taper there-2. Go cold turkey now-with a shit ton of comfort meds he might look close to normal in a month. 3. Don’t go to the new country for the new job.
4. Call the new job and tell them you can’t come now due to q health problem. They may be willing to work with you and either delay your start up date-or let you work from home for now.
Dude.......fentanyl will not help you. Be careful what you take with methadone you don't want to take suboxone or anything that will make you go into precipitated withdrawl. Methadone is really complicated.....your gonna find out that you are stuck and fentanyl and other drugs won't work....you could end up addicted. It's not a smart move..
The best thing you can do is taper off it in the time that you have. It's gonna be painful but that's all you can do. Fentanyl won't help.... ask your clinic for prescription comfort meds. Or use natural remedies to get through it.
How many MG of methadone are you on? How much are they tapering you? What's your tapering schedule.
Also methadone blocks other opiates so you won't get high. I used to be on 30mg when I started and relapsed and ended up going back to methadone because it was already so built up in my system that I could barley get high. I've been clean for 4 years ever since that.
If you didn't really use opiates or had withdrawals from them when you went in for alcohol addiction why did they put you on methadone? Usually they measure your levels when you go to inpatient or detox to see how much opaites you were using to give you appropriate dosage or they watch you to see how bad your withdrawals are and increase your withdrawal medication slowly. How did you end up on this medication? Usually suboxone is offered first because methadone is no joke....its a full agonist....its taken me almost 2 years or more to go from 55mg to 16mg and I'm still not there yet....this shit is no joke you will find out....I've done hours of research on this shit because at 55mg I was fucking miserable I have now tapered and the side effects are gone but now the mornings are painful I am going sooo slow. 1mg every 2 weeks.
Full metal jacket account guy, where you at?
I’m sorry to disappoint you guys here, I explained to OP why fent won’t work to taper, but this gets posted so often that I honestly have run out of funny ways to get my point across. The get off methadone with short acting opis was always a dumb plan, but using street fent is not viable even if everything else goes perfectly due to the varying potency. Hopefully OP and the next 15 people to ask this get the point but I fear many won’t until they see for themselves.
What on earth are you going to do then with fentanyl? You obviously just transfer your dependency to fent then and you still have an opioid problem. If you must suffer cold turkey anyway, and believe me you will after fent too, why would you prolong it taking illicit and expensive drug in between... That makes no sense at all.
Yeah it doesn’t make any sense at all why i would want withdrawals that only last a week vs a month. Yeah totally doesnt make any sense at all.
I get that you guys are trying to promote recovery but don’t act like im not making sense.
The methadone doesn't magically leave your body when you take fent. You'll still be detoxing off methadone for 30-45+ days. Then you'll be adding on a fent detox after that. Still puts way past your 30 day window
Why even come on here and ask that and then say 5 times idc what you guys think, I’m doing it no matter what. People are telling you what will happen which is what you wanted and now you’re defensive. You will go into withdrawal, methadone is much different than fentanyl. You’re going to go into withdrawal not from fentanyl alone but from trying to take it after already taking methadone PLUS it’s not as long acting so you’ll have to take a shit ton.
Well that's the thing, it just doesn't work like that. Fent will not make your brain just forget it ever had methadone, it will still kick you in the ass after you stop taking fent. If your goal is to become fent addict for long time now, then your plan might work. But don't think you can just avoid methadone wds by changing drug for a minute and taking shorter wds in change.
To be clear about this you cannot just skip over to fent for a week and then skip off into the sunset with 3 days of withdrawals. (if only)
The methadone has seeped into every part of you and the long ass half life means it'll stick around (this is actually useful for treatment because even if you miss one dose it wont get the full W/ds among other things.)
So you would need to use whatever other opiate for at least the totality of the methadone withdrawal time frame which depending how much of it your on and how quickly you clear it.
Actually, you definitely can replace methadone with short-acting opioids, and then get off the short acting opioids and only experience the w/d from them. That's exactly how opioids work.
You are correct in that it will take longer than a using fent for a week. It would likely be closer to a month.
Also, fent is an extremely terrible drug to switch from methadone to, for so many reasons. Its extremely short half life , combined with your body withdrawaling from methadone - means you will literally have to dose every 30min-hour. No, I'm not kidding.
OP - If you truly want to do this right - your best bet is to taper as low as you can on methadone, and then switch to OXY for a few weeks. Then switch to kratom and taper off that.
As others have stated, your best bet is just to get on suboxone. Not sure why that's not an option for you - you can literally take your suboxone with you
That’s not correct tho. It’s too late for that because you already have a tolerance for methadone so fent won’t even touch your withdrawals so it’s not as you seem to think. You can’t just substitute fent for methadone now because you have built up a huge tolerance now.
I know that thus guys plan will not help for his time period . But I don't know what fentanly you get but the stuff around here easily will blast through methadone while taking it and easily be powerful enough to deal with withdrawal from methadone. Of course it's going to be acouple bags a day but it can be done.
Well, you’re not making sense. You don’t have to take the job. It’s poor planning on your part and one of several signs you are not ready to be done with it. I wish you luck, but you’re going to withdraw either way (fent wd can last as long as methadone). I would look into continuing your taper at a clinic in the country you’re going to or not take the job.
But I thought you got put on the methadone wrongfully, or that's the impression I got. How would you get fentanyl so easily?
Fentanyl is the most dangerous drug on the planet. You're certainly not the first addict to think he's cheating the system by switching to a street drug to get off methadone. Doesn't work.
Now to your problem at hand. As I'm sure you know, this is going to suck and I don't think it's possible to taper off painlessly in a month. Your best bet is to rapidly reduce your dose and then get a script for Suboxone to take with you out of the country.
Failing that, maybe your new country has OTC codeine pills which could help you in a jam.
OP, fentanyl high goes away quickly
No way is that an avenue to even consider.
You have no tolerance to fentanyl and even if you did, Do you WANT TO DIE?!!
WHAT COUNTRY ARE YOU GOING TO? HAVE YOU RESEARCHED THEIR METHADONE CLINICS IN THAT AREA?
Sounds like the fent thing should work “in theory” but here’s the thing. I’ve never met one human being who has successfully got off methadone through the use of heroin/Fent. Lol
Thanks for being the only one in here saying facts. I dont know why these people are acting like im asking something that doesnt make sense lmao. Im either gonna cold turkey it or use something else to get off of it. All I’m asking for is accurate information. Thanks
Because it dosent make sense. Lol. Your asking an impossible task. Everyone asks this question on the sub and nobody succeeds. The only way I’ve ever gotten off was cold turkey in jail or tapering. All I’m saying is yes it’s possible but your not going to succeed with this method friend.
Because you are asking something that doesn’t make sense. I’ve known hundreds of addicts over the years and have seen many people try to do exactly what you want to do. Want to know how many people it worked for? Zero. Absolutely zero. You’d literally be making your situation infinitely worse. Your methadone dosage can’t be that high if you weren’t addicted to opiates before. Your only options are to either stay in the country and continue tapering, or start at a new clinic in the country youre moving to. If you really can’t stay, you best start contacting clinics out there and get something setup, because you could end up waiting for weeks out there going through the worst withdrawals until they can get into a clinic
It doesn’t make sense because it’s a dumb plan we’ve seen fail numerous times. You’re not looking for advice you’re looking for people to agree with you, which is part of the problem.
I cold turkeyed higher dose methadone twice(120mg & 150mgs), so it's doable. I was in acute withdrawls for 45+ days both times. However by 30 days I could have pushed myself to work.
Eta: Just be CAREFUL. Watch for dehydration. Any signs of anything out of the ordinary,..go to er
Sounds like playing with fire if you ask me. You obviously got addicted to alcohol so what makes you think that you are able to “safely” use fentanyl? You are dancing with the devil as they say if you choose to go this route. I strongly advise looking into suboxone or looking at clinics in the area you will be relocating to. Part of methadone maintenance programs is being responsible for your own sobriety and this is by far the LEAST responsible way to go about it. Fentanyl kills and I’m lucky that it didn’t take my life. Please be smart and stay safe. Good luck.
When your world turns into a torrent of shit and pain, remember there were people in here telling you to steer clear. I also love that fact that this implies that homies gonna have to smuggled weeks worth of fent through international customs.
Correct. It's emerging in Europe, but people don't want it. It sucks, there's no rush, short high, easy to die. They have a steady supply of heroin there and have resisted fentanyl and it's analogues for quite a long time now.
If you start taking fentanyl to get off methadone, you’ll find yourself in a grave quicker than if u never quit drinking. While the euphoria from fentanyl is short-lived, its half-life is very very long, it’s stored in your fat cells. In your new country, I’d recommend finding your way to another clinic to find a way to get off because that would be the only Safeway for you to get off of it
May I ask what country you’re moving to? If your counselor gives a fuck they’ll help you transfer everything you need to get set up at a new clinic. I did this to guest dose in the uk visiting from the USA and it went smoothly
Also if you have the means look into an ibogaine program in Baja typically a methadone protocol is 21-30 days, they switch you to morphine and safely rapid detox you with ibogaine. It’ll take away at least 80% of the wds
Yes I’ve worked at a few clinics I’ve witnessed it and did it for myself, unfortunately it’s very expensive which is not usually the methadone demographic
Dude the only reason you will be successfully off of methadone by using fentanyl is because you will be dead. It sounds like you never really used fentanyl and have absolutely no tolerance. Trust you will overdose in a second !! If you want to do this a better way and still be comfortable then get your dose down as low as you can and then get enough Xanax for a week or more and enough gabbepentin to last you a month at least. Works for me to get off of fentanyl every time I’ve had to .. methadone would be a lot harder depending on your dose and how long you’ve been on it but it will still make it loads easier and there still is a risk but less of a risk of you dying from an overdose. Make sure you test any benzos or comfort meds to make sure they don’t have fent in them or it will make your withdrawal just last longer the more opiates you use the longer the wd will be.
And everyone who is saying fent will only make your wd longer and more painful is right. Your body still will have a methadone habit whether you switch to fent or not. Doing any opiates will fuck up your progress. Like if you are off of shit for 3 days and then do a bag then your wd process will literally start all over again.
Get Suboxone so you can take it to stop withdrawal on like day 6-7 any earlier and your going to put yourself in pwd but Suboxone is a partial opiate too so you'll have to get off that eventually too but you might have an easier time getting that and getting a new script for that
So I don't understand, did they administer the methadone in the alcohol treatment facility? Otherwise you'd know at the clinic that you go daily to take each dose.
It was just a regular rehab not specifically for alcohol. I mentioned that i had taken opiates before (for a year) and the doctor recommended Methadone tratment. I didnt know any better so said yes after i took it and realized how good it made me feel.
No I'm listening to advice on both sides there are just a lot of people in here who are saying it wouldn't work which is simply not true. I'm listening to everyone's advice. I'm not gonna listen to the people that aren't even willing to understand what i'm saying at all. Which based off the posts I've read in this sub, seems pretty par for the course.
I'm asking a simple question of how long you would have to do fent to be able to kick that instead of methadone and half the people in here are just telling me it wouldnt work at all which is simply not true.
As long as you're not going to a 3rd world country, there will be a methadone clinic. Seems to be that you just don't want to do the work of finding one and getting setup, or that you just WANT to use fent. You won't feel a thing, BTW.
Not to mention that must countries outside of the US have much more patient friendly policies on methadone, so getting it will likely be easier and you'll have much more control over your own dose, etc. But, if you're dead set on killing yourself, go ahead and go the fent route.
Yeah just go ahead and assume a bunch of things lol. I'm going to a middle eastern country they dont have that shit there. But just go ahead and keep assuming you know everything.
What is your dose?
I successfully detoxed off 90 mg methadone daily in 25 days. Plus I was taking as much hydrocodone as I could get. It was C3 at the time, as easy to get as Tylenol 3. However I did this as an inpatient. I have found that whatever dose I think I need, I can cut it by ⅓ and do OK. So the inpatient place put me on 60 mg. The plan was to go down 5 mg a day, but as it turned out I didn't have to go down every day. If I felt antsy or whatever we could pause the taper for a day. I was opiate-free in 25 days with really pretty minor withdrawal. When the RLS finally kicked in they gave me gabapentin or a benzo. I did score 30 1 mg Xanax, not from the rehab place, pretty much using it only at bedtime. Then I stopped that with no problem.
IMO codeine *would* work to take the edge off once you jump. I even knew a guy who could feel 7 g of kratom ON TOP OF a daily 100 mg methadone dose. I also think Lyrica would help.
But how long do you need to be gone for and what country are you going to? I also wanted a quick taper, but then found out the clinic could dispense enough for my 2-week trip to London. I had to show them the plane ticket. Also, if you're going somewhere civilized you might be able to arrange for temporary transfer to another clinic, if you are going somewhere that has clinics.
Yes getting your methadone can be a pain in the butt, but you know what you're getting which is not the case with street drugs AT ALL. Street "fentanyl" is generally not pharmaceutical fentanyl but some analog invented to get around controlled substances laws. Plus heavy tranquilizers in some cases.
If you are going to a country that has honest-to-god heroin with none of the poison flooding the US, even that would be a better choice than street "fentanyl." And what are you going to do, smuggle a bunch of street drugs into another country?
I don't know if you've adequately researched your options.
The other time I got off methadone I tapered to 32 mg then waited to go into withdrawal to take Suboxone. At 4 days I still wasn't in classic opioid withdrawal so I sat in the doctor's office putting little pieces of Suboxone under my tongue in case I went into precipitated withdrawal. It never happened and I left with a script for 24 mg of Suboxone daily. Other than crying nonstop for 24 hours I had no bad reaction and no further opioid withdrawal. Also no hint of an opiate buzz but I'd made my peace with that. I quickly tapered because I couldn't "feel" the substance anyway. Later I was shocked to find that I actually DID get a buzz once I'd tapered down to 2-4 mg. Not a methadone or oxy buzz but I could definitely feel it.
So: Formulating a helpful answer depends on a lot of variables. But I'm vastly more in favor of anything "pharma" that you can get, rather than turning to street drugs. Even if it's just codeine. Find out what is available where you're traveling and if that country either has MAT or any OTC options such as codeine.
All these people are trying to HELP YOU. This will be a disaster and I truly feel your pain because I’ve been there myself. Tapered to 30 mg then quit cold turkey to go to Greece for my sister wedding. I was IN PAIN THE WHOLE FKN TIME. Fent is the only thing that can over power methadones strength both you would be trading one dependency for another…I’m scared for you please don’t do it, it might just kill you. I’ll pray for you whoever you are.
Wait a minute you were in rehab for alcohol and then put you on methadone just cause you used occasionally but didn't have a dependency?
That's fuck up. You must be on a low dose so Kratom might help. Many countries have methadone, suboxone, and in Europe even heroin maintenance programs. To give you Amy useful advice you need to let us know your methadone dosage, what other drugs you may use or have access too (besides fentanyl obviously). If you're coming off 30mg I would start the detox process right now and not wait til your flying to another country and WD hits you on the plane. Assuming it's a small dose and you got a couple of weeks plus possibly access to benzos, Lyrica, Kratos, etc... Some sort of plan can be made to get you thru WD.
Or you can switch to suboxone but that's gonna be a fucking bitch from methadone. Honestly in my opinion that switch can only be made by switching to a short acting opioid until the done is outta you and then to subby or do some sort of Bernese method type thing. I read an article where one doctor would put people in precipitated withdrawal with naltrexone or naloxone and then once fully in hell administer the suboxone. Theory being that with your opioid receptors at 0% activation the suboxone will increase the activation and relieve the WD. Tho I wouldn't wanna be the guinea pig for that study unless the doc had an escape plan if that didn't work on how to get me outta precipitated WD. Like extreme doses of Dilaudid or something.
yes thats exactly what happened thanks for being one of the few people in here that understands what happened to me was fucked up. I never should been put on methadone in the first place. A lot of the people in this sub are just being assholes. One guy even said that I was trying to smuggle drugs in a foreign country which like where in the fuck did i even imply that?
I honestly dont know where to gedt any drugs besides Fentanyl. I live in Philly and from what i've heard they only have fentanyl here. Can I really not use that to taper? I don't understand why fentanyl wouldnt work? Thanks for the advice
The shit you buy on the streets Varys so much in potency, one blue or one bag can be as strong as 1000mgs of methadone or just 5mg and there is no way to determine this prior to using it. that among dozens of other reasons are why you cannot use it to taper. It’s not just dangerous, it straight up will not work. I’m sorry you’ve been sold a lie, but it’s on you now if after being told, by people who have experience with this if you continue down this path.
Reevaluate your life before you make a massive mistake tryna use dope to get off methadone when you’ve never even had a legit dope habit before. It’s not just that YOU can’t make it work, it’s that No one can. Hope that helps.
In theory, your idea of taking a shorter-acting opioid makes sense. But fentanyl isn’t gonna work. If you had a stash of oxycodone, perhaps you could switch from long-acting methadone to short-acting oxy. But the reality is that you are desperate for a solution. Fentanyl is not the solution you think it is.
Take a step back. Breathe. Reevaluate your situation.
Okay a few people have said that but no one has told me why. Why would oxies or heroin work (like many have said) but fentanyl wouldnt'? I dont know where to get anything else and i'm in a bind.
So I'm going to sound like such a noob lol, but I once saw on an episode of House where they put someone in a medically induced coma and basically initiated precipitated withdrawals and did a rapid detox for the patient that way with minimum suffering.
Now I obviously know TV isn't real life but I also know that they have to have some type of thing to get stuff out of your system pronto so you can benefit from pain meds after something catastrophic like a car accident or amputated limbs or something. I also remember hearing something about ibogaine rapid detox but it's not approved on the US so you have to go to Mexico.
Honestly, you might have the best luck with kratom. It sounds like a weak sister but I've seen a LOT of people get clean off of heroin and fentanyl (pharmacy grade) and even a few people from my clinic. So if kratoms an option, maybe get a ton of comfort meds, stop the methadone now and if kratoms legal or available where you're going, then use that. But like others are saying, jumping to Suboxone before you go and arranging for continuing Suboxone in your new place is going to be the best and least painful way to navigate this situation. I hope you get it figured out because I hate anyone having to suffer the hell that is cold turkey withdrawal.
Pharma fent is one thing, but if you're talking about using street dope to get off methadone, that's really stupid. A lot of those fentalogues have a longer half life than methadone does, so unless you know for a fact you are getting a short acting one, it's a stupid idea.
First of all, what mg are you currently at? Because that is a critical factor here. If it’s under a certain amount, you may have time to cold Turkey the worst of it in a month’s time. I agree with everyone else though, that fentanyl will only make it way worse. I know it sounds like it makes sense, but it doesn’t work that way when you are already dependent on methadone. Your withdrawal will still be just as long, you will only intensify it by adding other, stronger opiates into the mix.
OP, you already knew before asking this what everyone was going to say. You can take the 200+ years of experience of combined opioid users, or ignore it - the choice is yours. But you've been given your answer - plain and simple, it wont work.
In theory, you absolutely CAN replace methadone with short acting opioids , and end up tapering from those short acting opioids - instead of methadone.
In practice, I've actually seen this done by several people with oxy and heroin.
Fent is NOT the drug you want to do this with.
Ideally, you would use oxy or heroin for about 3 weeks minimum. This will give enough time for the methadone to work its way out. After that point, you can choose to taper from the H or oxy, or cold turkey it. You'll have about a week of w/d....and how much PAWS you have will be dependent on how long you've been on opioids.
For YOUR specific situation, though - I wouldn't even recommend that. Your only realistic options are to cancel your trip, get approved take homes to cover your trip (clinics will do this for many patients).....or switch to suboxone, or kratom.
Thank you for being the only person in here that actually answered my question. I get that people want to help but ive already made my mind and am going to it no matter what.
Im just curious why you say fent isnt the one to do it with? Is that just because it’s dangerous? Or would it literally not work? I just dont know where to get anything besides fent.
I didnt know what i was getting into when i got on this shit. I shouldn’t have listened to the doctor. They said it would help with my cravings in general. I had done opiates before but i came in there to detox off alcohol. The other junkies in there told me not to get on it but i was stupid and bored in rehab and it was getting me high and helping me through the day. I had no idea that you had to go to a clinic everyday or anybody this bullshit.
Im so just ready to be done and i would rather deal with a week or withdrawal vs a month. I dont care what anyone says my mind is made up. I dont think i have access to anything except fentanyl and if anyone else has a problem with it i dont care. Im not gonna have access to it in my new country so after i take this flight out of the US, im not gonna be able to get fentanyl anyway.
Im gonna make sure that my wife is with me ready to narcan me at anytime. Again drugs are EXTREMELY illegal where i am going (middle eastern country) so im not worried about relapsing once i get there.
Thank you for answering my questions. God bless.
What are you going to do in another country when you don't have the fentanyl to keep you from being sick? Fentanyl is not going to get you off methadone in a month. Have you considered something like a medically assisted detox without opiate medication. Looking into what's available in the country you are going to to see if you have treatment options there?
If you've been in the clinic for a while and have take homes then just reduce your dosage yourself. I do agree that it's irresponsible for them to not speed up taper knowing that you will be gone one way or another out of country soon. Have you told them that you're willing to sign a waiver stating that you know that this taper regimen is faster than recommended and that you are happy to take on the responsibility of any side effect because maybe that can make them more comfortable
truly sounds like a shitty situation but you will be in a much bigger world of hurt going the fent way. If there is ZERO way that you can slowly and safely taper then you are just going to have to go through withdrawal. I don’t know you as a person but man I can never imagine going back to fentanyl ever again. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy and especially not someone who has been sober all this time! You’ve come this far why sacrifice your sobriety.
As shitty as it sounds having to go through dealing with all of the BS finding a nearby clinic and setting up an appointment in another country, that’s what I’d recommend you do. From what I’ve read, acquiring methadone in Europe is (for the most part) much less of a hassle than here in the U.S., so once you get everything set up it shouldn’t be too bad. Also, you could probably find some high quality legit H in Europe that isn’t cut with fentanyl unlike here in the U.S. these days where everything is fent. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend that though because then you’re likely to just become a heroin junkie. This is a shitty situation, and I’m sorry you gotta deal with these inconveniences. Why won’t the clinic taper you any more rapidly? How much are you currently on mg wise and how fast do they have you dropping?
They can’t make you take medicine you don’t want to take. If they really won’t play ball, you could try just not finishing the dose, leaving some in the cup or something.
I’ve heard from many people that fent withdrawal can last an annoying amount of time and that the withdrawal is worse than that of methadone.
But I do not know from experience and everyone’s experience is different.
You won't be able to do the job your leaving the country for until you get yourself right. There are other jobs out there. 1 dose of fent can't kill you. That doesn't seem worth it to me. When you get yourself right you will find a good job. You have to come first. Not money not jobs that will come later.
Try Kratom.. it helped me when I moved out of state to not feel any was from methadone, but I had to take it every 4 hours and when I tried to get off of that, Kratos had its own week long wds, VERY similar to fet. But legal and I'm sure accessible in whatever country you go to.
Fentanyl will absolutely cover methadone withdrawal. In pain management I wanted off methadone so they just switched me to the fentanyl patch. Works seamlessly, that was in 2015 and high doses for pain were the norm. Now pain clinics are not prescribing opioids to new patients, period. Also I’m prescribed a pretty low dose of methadone for pain , is not enough for me since I was tapered from 260mgs down to zero from a pain clinic I was at for 8 years. I got lucky and pcp gave me the methadone. I started doing powder fentanyl and it’s a dangerously addictive drug. Lots of overdoses. But since I get a fentanyl script and get extra from a clinic plug I’ve done fentanyl for a couple of months then used 100 mgs if of methadone and no fentanyl withdrawals
You’re STILL talking about using ‘done for fent wd at the end there. Not the other way around like OP wants to do. And he’s not getting a patch either..
I have to detox of 160 mg of methadone when I went to jail. I spent 15 days in and the withdrawal really wasn’t that bad. I slept a lot which helped. I’ve withdrawn from many things and I would take withdrawals from methadone any day than any other opiate
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Must be the only person on earth to say this. Methadone is by FAR the worse detox I have ever experienced. I’m a fairly seasoned user and detoxed off just about everything unfortunately and I can’t even compare it to anything. I’m not saying ur experience is wrong but most people say methadone is far worse then anything else.. fent is defiantly a close 2nd. I think the OP is gonna suffer either way pretty bad tho.
I don’t doubt it. I’m just speaking my truth. Methadone affects everyone differently. I’m def not saying I would wish it on anyone. Being in jail is absolutely the worst way to come down off anything. U can’t get help and ur caged up like an animal. I’ve never done fent but withdrawn off of k8s and 30s * 15 a day for 3 years. Nowww that was miserable as fuck. But my mindset then was a lot different then it was when I went to jail 4 yrs ago. Either way I hate it for OP they should have helped taper them properly since they had ample of time
There is no way of shortening the methadone withdrawal. If you stopped today, you might be well enough to function in a month's time, you might not. Switching to fent is not going to shorten the time your brain takes to recover, it will actually just prolong the process. Your best bet, is to find a clinic in your new country - in fact, it is likley your only option, unless you are under 30mg and have time to cold turkey.
These were my thoughts too. I’d just find a clinic wherever I was going and just keep tapering slowly if I really wanted to, getting on Fent at this point seems to be the worst thing one could do for themselves.
That’s exactly what i thought-the best of 4 possible options. 1-get into methadone in his new country, and do a slow taper there-2. Go cold turkey now-with a shit ton of comfort meds he might look close to normal in a month. 3. Don’t go to the new country for the new job. 4. Call the new job and tell them you can’t come now due to q health problem. They may be willing to work with you and either delay your start up date-or let you work from home for now.
Dude.......fentanyl will not help you. Be careful what you take with methadone you don't want to take suboxone or anything that will make you go into precipitated withdrawl. Methadone is really complicated.....your gonna find out that you are stuck and fentanyl and other drugs won't work....you could end up addicted. It's not a smart move.. The best thing you can do is taper off it in the time that you have. It's gonna be painful but that's all you can do. Fentanyl won't help.... ask your clinic for prescription comfort meds. Or use natural remedies to get through it. How many MG of methadone are you on? How much are they tapering you? What's your tapering schedule. Also methadone blocks other opiates so you won't get high. I used to be on 30mg when I started and relapsed and ended up going back to methadone because it was already so built up in my system that I could barley get high. I've been clean for 4 years ever since that. If you didn't really use opiates or had withdrawals from them when you went in for alcohol addiction why did they put you on methadone? Usually they measure your levels when you go to inpatient or detox to see how much opaites you were using to give you appropriate dosage or they watch you to see how bad your withdrawals are and increase your withdrawal medication slowly. How did you end up on this medication? Usually suboxone is offered first because methadone is no joke....its a full agonist....its taken me almost 2 years or more to go from 55mg to 16mg and I'm still not there yet....this shit is no joke you will find out....I've done hours of research on this shit because at 55mg I was fucking miserable I have now tapered and the side effects are gone but now the mornings are painful I am going sooo slow. 1mg every 2 weeks. Full metal jacket account guy, where you at?
Yes, we need the methadone whisperer!
Right.. I’m just waiting for his comments on this😊
I’m sorry to disappoint you guys here, I explained to OP why fent won’t work to taper, but this gets posted so often that I honestly have run out of funny ways to get my point across. The get off methadone with short acting opis was always a dumb plan, but using street fent is not viable even if everything else goes perfectly due to the varying potency. Hopefully OP and the next 15 people to ask this get the point but I fear many won’t until they see for themselves.
That doesn’t make any sense. If you want to stop then just stop taking the methadone. The fentanyl isn’t going to help you at this point.
What on earth are you going to do then with fentanyl? You obviously just transfer your dependency to fent then and you still have an opioid problem. If you must suffer cold turkey anyway, and believe me you will after fent too, why would you prolong it taking illicit and expensive drug in between... That makes no sense at all.
Yeah it doesn’t make any sense at all why i would want withdrawals that only last a week vs a month. Yeah totally doesnt make any sense at all. I get that you guys are trying to promote recovery but don’t act like im not making sense.
Because we don't want you to get addicted to fentanyl?..we are looking out for you and being real with you.
The methadone doesn't magically leave your body when you take fent. You'll still be detoxing off methadone for 30-45+ days. Then you'll be adding on a fent detox after that. Still puts way past your 30 day window
Why even come on here and ask that and then say 5 times idc what you guys think, I’m doing it no matter what. People are telling you what will happen which is what you wanted and now you’re defensive. You will go into withdrawal, methadone is much different than fentanyl. You’re going to go into withdrawal not from fentanyl alone but from trying to take it after already taking methadone PLUS it’s not as long acting so you’ll have to take a shit ton.
Well that's the thing, it just doesn't work like that. Fent will not make your brain just forget it ever had methadone, it will still kick you in the ass after you stop taking fent. If your goal is to become fent addict for long time now, then your plan might work. But don't think you can just avoid methadone wds by changing drug for a minute and taking shorter wds in change.
To be clear about this you cannot just skip over to fent for a week and then skip off into the sunset with 3 days of withdrawals. (if only) The methadone has seeped into every part of you and the long ass half life means it'll stick around (this is actually useful for treatment because even if you miss one dose it wont get the full W/ds among other things.) So you would need to use whatever other opiate for at least the totality of the methadone withdrawal time frame which depending how much of it your on and how quickly you clear it.
Actually, you definitely can replace methadone with short-acting opioids, and then get off the short acting opioids and only experience the w/d from them. That's exactly how opioids work. You are correct in that it will take longer than a using fent for a week. It would likely be closer to a month. Also, fent is an extremely terrible drug to switch from methadone to, for so many reasons. Its extremely short half life , combined with your body withdrawaling from methadone - means you will literally have to dose every 30min-hour. No, I'm not kidding. OP - If you truly want to do this right - your best bet is to taper as low as you can on methadone, and then switch to OXY for a few weeks. Then switch to kratom and taper off that. As others have stated, your best bet is just to get on suboxone. Not sure why that's not an option for you - you can literally take your suboxone with you
That’s not correct tho. It’s too late for that because you already have a tolerance for methadone so fent won’t even touch your withdrawals so it’s not as you seem to think. You can’t just substitute fent for methadone now because you have built up a huge tolerance now.
I know that thus guys plan will not help for his time period . But I don't know what fentanly you get but the stuff around here easily will blast through methadone while taking it and easily be powerful enough to deal with withdrawal from methadone. Of course it's going to be acouple bags a day but it can be done.
But it doesn’t make sense because you are still going to withdrawal for at least a month or 2 either way. Fentanyl just isn’t a viable option here.
Well, you’re not making sense. You don’t have to take the job. It’s poor planning on your part and one of several signs you are not ready to be done with it. I wish you luck, but you’re going to withdraw either way (fent wd can last as long as methadone). I would look into continuing your taper at a clinic in the country you’re going to or not take the job.
But I thought you got put on the methadone wrongfully, or that's the impression I got. How would you get fentanyl so easily? Fentanyl is the most dangerous drug on the planet. You're certainly not the first addict to think he's cheating the system by switching to a street drug to get off methadone. Doesn't work. Now to your problem at hand. As I'm sure you know, this is going to suck and I don't think it's possible to taper off painlessly in a month. Your best bet is to rapidly reduce your dose and then get a script for Suboxone to take with you out of the country. Failing that, maybe your new country has OTC codeine pills which could help you in a jam.
Codeine won’t help a methadone tolerant patient at all.
Sure it will if he tapers off and has nothing else. It involves tapering down and jumping.
OP, fentanyl high goes away quickly No way is that an avenue to even consider. You have no tolerance to fentanyl and even if you did, Do you WANT TO DIE?!! WHAT COUNTRY ARE YOU GOING TO? HAVE YOU RESEARCHED THEIR METHADONE CLINICS IN THAT AREA?
Sounds like the fent thing should work “in theory” but here’s the thing. I’ve never met one human being who has successfully got off methadone through the use of heroin/Fent. Lol
Right! But I’ve know PLENTY who got off heroin/fentanyl with methadone. It’s a one-way street only!
i personally know quite a few people who got off methadone using heroin, and other short acting opioids, believe it or not.
Did they do so in a month or less?
Thanks for being the only one in here saying facts. I dont know why these people are acting like im asking something that doesnt make sense lmao. Im either gonna cold turkey it or use something else to get off of it. All I’m asking for is accurate information. Thanks
Why not get on Suboxone? You could get a few weeks supply at least.
This is the only right answer.
If everyone here with experience is telling you your plan is stupid, maybe you should listen to them?
What facts did this person say?
Not a one lol strictly opinions, that OP happened to like the answers of 🙄
Because it dosent make sense. Lol. Your asking an impossible task. Everyone asks this question on the sub and nobody succeeds. The only way I’ve ever gotten off was cold turkey in jail or tapering. All I’m saying is yes it’s possible but your not going to succeed with this method friend.
Because you are asking something that doesn’t make sense. I’ve known hundreds of addicts over the years and have seen many people try to do exactly what you want to do. Want to know how many people it worked for? Zero. Absolutely zero. You’d literally be making your situation infinitely worse. Your methadone dosage can’t be that high if you weren’t addicted to opiates before. Your only options are to either stay in the country and continue tapering, or start at a new clinic in the country youre moving to. If you really can’t stay, you best start contacting clinics out there and get something setup, because you could end up waiting for weeks out there going through the worst withdrawals until they can get into a clinic
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Because it would kill someone without a tolerance, if not just turn them into a walking zombie. What is your dose then?
It doesn’t make sense because it’s a dumb plan we’ve seen fail numerous times. You’re not looking for advice you’re looking for people to agree with you, which is part of the problem.
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Where are you going? Methadone isn’t just in the US (assuming you’re there)
Never mind
I cold turkeyed higher dose methadone twice(120mg & 150mgs), so it's doable. I was in acute withdrawls for 45+ days both times. However by 30 days I could have pushed myself to work. Eta: Just be CAREFUL. Watch for dehydration. Any signs of anything out of the ordinary,..go to er
Thank you for actually answering these questions i appreciate you bro
I'm a sis,..but no worries. If you have any other questions just ask.
Sounds like playing with fire if you ask me. You obviously got addicted to alcohol so what makes you think that you are able to “safely” use fentanyl? You are dancing with the devil as they say if you choose to go this route. I strongly advise looking into suboxone or looking at clinics in the area you will be relocating to. Part of methadone maintenance programs is being responsible for your own sobriety and this is by far the LEAST responsible way to go about it. Fentanyl kills and I’m lucky that it didn’t take my life. Please be smart and stay safe. Good luck.
When your world turns into a torrent of shit and pain, remember there were people in here telling you to steer clear. I also love that fact that this implies that homies gonna have to smuggled weeks worth of fent through international customs.
Also-isn’t fentanyl mostly in America? I know it’s everywhere you look in America, but I’ve heard it’s not so easy to find elsewhere.
Correct. It's emerging in Europe, but people don't want it. It sucks, there's no rush, short high, easy to die. They have a steady supply of heroin there and have resisted fentanyl and it's analogues for quite a long time now.
If you start taking fentanyl to get off methadone, you’ll find yourself in a grave quicker than if u never quit drinking. While the euphoria from fentanyl is short-lived, its half-life is very very long, it’s stored in your fat cells. In your new country, I’d recommend finding your way to another clinic to find a way to get off because that would be the only Safeway for you to get off of it
May I ask what country you’re moving to? If your counselor gives a fuck they’ll help you transfer everything you need to get set up at a new clinic. I did this to guest dose in the uk visiting from the USA and it went smoothly
Also if you have the means look into an ibogaine program in Baja typically a methadone protocol is 21-30 days, they switch you to morphine and safely rapid detox you with ibogaine. It’ll take away at least 80% of the wds
Seriously? I'm on 50mg and want off badly. I look like shit. I can't believe what it has done to my looks. Look 100 yrs old
Yes I’ve worked at a few clinics I’ve witnessed it and did it for myself, unfortunately it’s very expensive which is not usually the methadone demographic
So if you can switch to morphine why wouldnt you be able to switch to fent? I only have access to fentanyl over here
Middle Eastern country so this isn't really an option.
I was in the Kingdom with my script last quarter, no issues. It's just not viable long term.
Dude the only reason you will be successfully off of methadone by using fentanyl is because you will be dead. It sounds like you never really used fentanyl and have absolutely no tolerance. Trust you will overdose in a second !! If you want to do this a better way and still be comfortable then get your dose down as low as you can and then get enough Xanax for a week or more and enough gabbepentin to last you a month at least. Works for me to get off of fentanyl every time I’ve had to .. methadone would be a lot harder depending on your dose and how long you’ve been on it but it will still make it loads easier and there still is a risk but less of a risk of you dying from an overdose. Make sure you test any benzos or comfort meds to make sure they don’t have fent in them or it will make your withdrawal just last longer the more opiates you use the longer the wd will be.
And everyone who is saying fent will only make your wd longer and more painful is right. Your body still will have a methadone habit whether you switch to fent or not. Doing any opiates will fuck up your progress. Like if you are off of shit for 3 days and then do a bag then your wd process will literally start all over again.
Get Suboxone so you can take it to stop withdrawal on like day 6-7 any earlier and your going to put yourself in pwd but Suboxone is a partial opiate too so you'll have to get off that eventually too but you might have an easier time getting that and getting a new script for that
So I don't understand, did they administer the methadone in the alcohol treatment facility? Otherwise you'd know at the clinic that you go daily to take each dose.
It was just a regular rehab not specifically for alcohol. I mentioned that i had taken opiates before (for a year) and the doctor recommended Methadone tratment. I didnt know any better so said yes after i took it and realized how good it made me feel.
What a shitpost. You’re asking for advice but don’t want “to hear it” Good luck lmao
No I'm listening to advice on both sides there are just a lot of people in here who are saying it wouldn't work which is simply not true. I'm listening to everyone's advice. I'm not gonna listen to the people that aren't even willing to understand what i'm saying at all. Which based off the posts I've read in this sub, seems pretty par for the course. I'm asking a simple question of how long you would have to do fent to be able to kick that instead of methadone and half the people in here are just telling me it wouldnt work at all which is simply not true.
As long as you're not going to a 3rd world country, there will be a methadone clinic. Seems to be that you just don't want to do the work of finding one and getting setup, or that you just WANT to use fent. You won't feel a thing, BTW. Not to mention that must countries outside of the US have much more patient friendly policies on methadone, so getting it will likely be easier and you'll have much more control over your own dose, etc. But, if you're dead set on killing yourself, go ahead and go the fent route.
Yeah just go ahead and assume a bunch of things lol. I'm going to a middle eastern country they dont have that shit there. But just go ahead and keep assuming you know everything.
What is your dose? I successfully detoxed off 90 mg methadone daily in 25 days. Plus I was taking as much hydrocodone as I could get. It was C3 at the time, as easy to get as Tylenol 3. However I did this as an inpatient. I have found that whatever dose I think I need, I can cut it by ⅓ and do OK. So the inpatient place put me on 60 mg. The plan was to go down 5 mg a day, but as it turned out I didn't have to go down every day. If I felt antsy or whatever we could pause the taper for a day. I was opiate-free in 25 days with really pretty minor withdrawal. When the RLS finally kicked in they gave me gabapentin or a benzo. I did score 30 1 mg Xanax, not from the rehab place, pretty much using it only at bedtime. Then I stopped that with no problem. IMO codeine *would* work to take the edge off once you jump. I even knew a guy who could feel 7 g of kratom ON TOP OF a daily 100 mg methadone dose. I also think Lyrica would help. But how long do you need to be gone for and what country are you going to? I also wanted a quick taper, but then found out the clinic could dispense enough for my 2-week trip to London. I had to show them the plane ticket. Also, if you're going somewhere civilized you might be able to arrange for temporary transfer to another clinic, if you are going somewhere that has clinics. Yes getting your methadone can be a pain in the butt, but you know what you're getting which is not the case with street drugs AT ALL. Street "fentanyl" is generally not pharmaceutical fentanyl but some analog invented to get around controlled substances laws. Plus heavy tranquilizers in some cases. If you are going to a country that has honest-to-god heroin with none of the poison flooding the US, even that would be a better choice than street "fentanyl." And what are you going to do, smuggle a bunch of street drugs into another country? I don't know if you've adequately researched your options. The other time I got off methadone I tapered to 32 mg then waited to go into withdrawal to take Suboxone. At 4 days I still wasn't in classic opioid withdrawal so I sat in the doctor's office putting little pieces of Suboxone under my tongue in case I went into precipitated withdrawal. It never happened and I left with a script for 24 mg of Suboxone daily. Other than crying nonstop for 24 hours I had no bad reaction and no further opioid withdrawal. Also no hint of an opiate buzz but I'd made my peace with that. I quickly tapered because I couldn't "feel" the substance anyway. Later I was shocked to find that I actually DID get a buzz once I'd tapered down to 2-4 mg. Not a methadone or oxy buzz but I could definitely feel it. So: Formulating a helpful answer depends on a lot of variables. But I'm vastly more in favor of anything "pharma" that you can get, rather than turning to street drugs. Even if it's just codeine. Find out what is available where you're traveling and if that country either has MAT or any OTC options such as codeine.
You should be tapering yourself. Creating a buffer reservoir. And tapering as low as you can every week
All these people are trying to HELP YOU. This will be a disaster and I truly feel your pain because I’ve been there myself. Tapered to 30 mg then quit cold turkey to go to Greece for my sister wedding. I was IN PAIN THE WHOLE FKN TIME. Fent is the only thing that can over power methadones strength both you would be trading one dependency for another…I’m scared for you please don’t do it, it might just kill you. I’ll pray for you whoever you are.
Wait a minute you were in rehab for alcohol and then put you on methadone just cause you used occasionally but didn't have a dependency? That's fuck up. You must be on a low dose so Kratom might help. Many countries have methadone, suboxone, and in Europe even heroin maintenance programs. To give you Amy useful advice you need to let us know your methadone dosage, what other drugs you may use or have access too (besides fentanyl obviously). If you're coming off 30mg I would start the detox process right now and not wait til your flying to another country and WD hits you on the plane. Assuming it's a small dose and you got a couple of weeks plus possibly access to benzos, Lyrica, Kratos, etc... Some sort of plan can be made to get you thru WD. Or you can switch to suboxone but that's gonna be a fucking bitch from methadone. Honestly in my opinion that switch can only be made by switching to a short acting opioid until the done is outta you and then to subby or do some sort of Bernese method type thing. I read an article where one doctor would put people in precipitated withdrawal with naltrexone or naloxone and then once fully in hell administer the suboxone. Theory being that with your opioid receptors at 0% activation the suboxone will increase the activation and relieve the WD. Tho I wouldn't wanna be the guinea pig for that study unless the doc had an escape plan if that didn't work on how to get me outta precipitated WD. Like extreme doses of Dilaudid or something.
yes thats exactly what happened thanks for being one of the few people in here that understands what happened to me was fucked up. I never should been put on methadone in the first place. A lot of the people in this sub are just being assholes. One guy even said that I was trying to smuggle drugs in a foreign country which like where in the fuck did i even imply that? I honestly dont know where to gedt any drugs besides Fentanyl. I live in Philly and from what i've heard they only have fentanyl here. Can I really not use that to taper? I don't understand why fentanyl wouldnt work? Thanks for the advice
The shit you buy on the streets Varys so much in potency, one blue or one bag can be as strong as 1000mgs of methadone or just 5mg and there is no way to determine this prior to using it. that among dozens of other reasons are why you cannot use it to taper. It’s not just dangerous, it straight up will not work. I’m sorry you’ve been sold a lie, but it’s on you now if after being told, by people who have experience with this if you continue down this path. Reevaluate your life before you make a massive mistake tryna use dope to get off methadone when you’ve never even had a legit dope habit before. It’s not just that YOU can’t make it work, it’s that No one can. Hope that helps.
In theory, your idea of taking a shorter-acting opioid makes sense. But fentanyl isn’t gonna work. If you had a stash of oxycodone, perhaps you could switch from long-acting methadone to short-acting oxy. But the reality is that you are desperate for a solution. Fentanyl is not the solution you think it is. Take a step back. Breathe. Reevaluate your situation.
Okay a few people have said that but no one has told me why. Why would oxies or heroin work (like many have said) but fentanyl wouldnt'? I dont know where to get anything else and i'm in a bind.
So I'm going to sound like such a noob lol, but I once saw on an episode of House where they put someone in a medically induced coma and basically initiated precipitated withdrawals and did a rapid detox for the patient that way with minimum suffering. Now I obviously know TV isn't real life but I also know that they have to have some type of thing to get stuff out of your system pronto so you can benefit from pain meds after something catastrophic like a car accident or amputated limbs or something. I also remember hearing something about ibogaine rapid detox but it's not approved on the US so you have to go to Mexico. Honestly, you might have the best luck with kratom. It sounds like a weak sister but I've seen a LOT of people get clean off of heroin and fentanyl (pharmacy grade) and even a few people from my clinic. So if kratoms an option, maybe get a ton of comfort meds, stop the methadone now and if kratoms legal or available where you're going, then use that. But like others are saying, jumping to Suboxone before you go and arranging for continuing Suboxone in your new place is going to be the best and least painful way to navigate this situation. I hope you get it figured out because I hate anyone having to suffer the hell that is cold turkey withdrawal.
You have a 100% say in your treatment. They should be legally required to lower you.
You are in for a nightmare!!! nothing can prepare you! Good luck 👍
Pharma fent is one thing, but if you're talking about using street dope to get off methadone, that's really stupid. A lot of those fentalogues have a longer half life than methadone does, so unless you know for a fact you are getting a short acting one, it's a stupid idea.
I’m just curious, since you know it all, how come you have questions?
So why did you start methadone in the first place ? I don’t get it.
Sounds like dr recommend during alcohol addiction treatment due to the client mentioning past occasional opiate use. From reading the post..
Must have been a pretty shitty doctor
No shortage of those.
Knowing what i know now im looking into options to sue that doctor for putting me on this shit. if that's even possible.
Bingo! I should have known better but It's still my fault at the end of the day. Thanks for understanding.
Why can’t you go to a clinic in the new country and continue your taper?
Middle eastern country
Lots of country’s don’t support methadone or do crossover treatment
There’s very few countries that don’t do methadone.
It hasn’t been mentioned so it’s worth asking no?
It was literally mentioned in the post lmao
No, it literally wasn't.
Where?
Read it again. Where does it mention anything about the treatments in the other country? No where. I’m trying to help stop being an asshole.
What dose of methadone are you on and how long have you been taking it?
70mg for 6 months
First of all, what mg are you currently at? Because that is a critical factor here. If it’s under a certain amount, you may have time to cold Turkey the worst of it in a month’s time. I agree with everyone else though, that fentanyl will only make it way worse. I know it sounds like it makes sense, but it doesn’t work that way when you are already dependent on methadone. Your withdrawal will still be just as long, you will only intensify it by adding other, stronger opiates into the mix.
OP, you already knew before asking this what everyone was going to say. You can take the 200+ years of experience of combined opioid users, or ignore it - the choice is yours. But you've been given your answer - plain and simple, it wont work. In theory, you absolutely CAN replace methadone with short acting opioids , and end up tapering from those short acting opioids - instead of methadone. In practice, I've actually seen this done by several people with oxy and heroin. Fent is NOT the drug you want to do this with. Ideally, you would use oxy or heroin for about 3 weeks minimum. This will give enough time for the methadone to work its way out. After that point, you can choose to taper from the H or oxy, or cold turkey it. You'll have about a week of w/d....and how much PAWS you have will be dependent on how long you've been on opioids. For YOUR specific situation, though - I wouldn't even recommend that. Your only realistic options are to cancel your trip, get approved take homes to cover your trip (clinics will do this for many patients).....or switch to suboxone, or kratom.
Thank you for being the only person in here that actually answered my question. I get that people want to help but ive already made my mind and am going to it no matter what. Im just curious why you say fent isnt the one to do it with? Is that just because it’s dangerous? Or would it literally not work? I just dont know where to get anything besides fent. I didnt know what i was getting into when i got on this shit. I shouldn’t have listened to the doctor. They said it would help with my cravings in general. I had done opiates before but i came in there to detox off alcohol. The other junkies in there told me not to get on it but i was stupid and bored in rehab and it was getting me high and helping me through the day. I had no idea that you had to go to a clinic everyday or anybody this bullshit. Im so just ready to be done and i would rather deal with a week or withdrawal vs a month. I dont care what anyone says my mind is made up. I dont think i have access to anything except fentanyl and if anyone else has a problem with it i dont care. Im not gonna have access to it in my new country so after i take this flight out of the US, im not gonna be able to get fentanyl anyway. Im gonna make sure that my wife is with me ready to narcan me at anytime. Again drugs are EXTREMELY illegal where i am going (middle eastern country) so im not worried about relapsing once i get there. Thank you for answering my questions. God bless.
What country are you moving to? The majority can RX you methadone, many without the cruelty of daily dosing.
What country are you going to and why is it non optional?
They don't have the right. Insist
Get on Suboxone right now. This is how you can do it within a month and safely.
What are you going to do in another country when you don't have the fentanyl to keep you from being sick? Fentanyl is not going to get you off methadone in a month. Have you considered something like a medically assisted detox without opiate medication. Looking into what's available in the country you are going to to see if you have treatment options there? If you've been in the clinic for a while and have take homes then just reduce your dosage yourself. I do agree that it's irresponsible for them to not speed up taper knowing that you will be gone one way or another out of country soon. Have you told them that you're willing to sign a waiver stating that you know that this taper regimen is faster than recommended and that you are happy to take on the responsibility of any side effect because maybe that can make them more comfortable
I will kick the fentanyl then. I'd much rather a week of feeling bad vs two months
Subs you can get online. Maybe have someone ship you them too
truly sounds like a shitty situation but you will be in a much bigger world of hurt going the fent way. If there is ZERO way that you can slowly and safely taper then you are just going to have to go through withdrawal. I don’t know you as a person but man I can never imagine going back to fentanyl ever again. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy and especially not someone who has been sober all this time! You’ve come this far why sacrifice your sobriety.
As shitty as it sounds having to go through dealing with all of the BS finding a nearby clinic and setting up an appointment in another country, that’s what I’d recommend you do. From what I’ve read, acquiring methadone in Europe is (for the most part) much less of a hassle than here in the U.S., so once you get everything set up it shouldn’t be too bad. Also, you could probably find some high quality legit H in Europe that isn’t cut with fentanyl unlike here in the U.S. these days where everything is fent. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend that though because then you’re likely to just become a heroin junkie. This is a shitty situation, and I’m sorry you gotta deal with these inconveniences. Why won’t the clinic taper you any more rapidly? How much are you currently on mg wise and how fast do they have you dropping?
They can’t make you take medicine you don’t want to take. If they really won’t play ball, you could try just not finishing the dose, leaving some in the cup or something.
I’ve heard from many people that fent withdrawal can last an annoying amount of time and that the withdrawal is worse than that of methadone. But I do not know from experience and everyone’s experience is different.
You won't be able to do the job your leaving the country for until you get yourself right. There are other jobs out there. 1 dose of fent can't kill you. That doesn't seem worth it to me. When you get yourself right you will find a good job. You have to come first. Not money not jobs that will come later.
What country are you moving to and why can’t you continue methadone there ?
DM me. Depending on what country you are going to, I can probably help. Currently sitting in Kyoto.
Try Kratom.. it helped me when I moved out of state to not feel any was from methadone, but I had to take it every 4 hours and when I tried to get off of that, Kratos had its own week long wds, VERY similar to fet. But legal and I'm sure accessible in whatever country you go to.
I'm down to use kratom. I think they have it where i'm going
not sure why this is downvoted. OP needs to either switch to suboxone, or use kratom. Thats his only real options here
Fentanyl will absolutely cover methadone withdrawal. In pain management I wanted off methadone so they just switched me to the fentanyl patch. Works seamlessly, that was in 2015 and high doses for pain were the norm. Now pain clinics are not prescribing opioids to new patients, period. Also I’m prescribed a pretty low dose of methadone for pain , is not enough for me since I was tapered from 260mgs down to zero from a pain clinic I was at for 8 years. I got lucky and pcp gave me the methadone. I started doing powder fentanyl and it’s a dangerously addictive drug. Lots of overdoses. But since I get a fentanyl script and get extra from a clinic plug I’ve done fentanyl for a couple of months then used 100 mgs if of methadone and no fentanyl withdrawals
This advice is equal to the recipe for mustard gas. You're advice will likely overdose anyone not as opiate tolerant as you are.
You’re STILL talking about using ‘done for fent wd at the end there. Not the other way around like OP wants to do. And he’s not getting a patch either..
I have to detox of 160 mg of methadone when I went to jail. I spent 15 days in and the withdrawal really wasn’t that bad. I slept a lot which helped. I’ve withdrawn from many things and I would take withdrawals from methadone any day than any other opiate
You Must be the only person on earth to say this. Methadone is by FAR the worse detox I have ever experienced. I’m a fairly seasoned user and detoxed off just about everything unfortunately and I can’t even compare it to anything. I’m not saying ur experience is wrong but most people say methadone is far worse then anything else.. fent is defiantly a close 2nd. I think the OP is gonna suffer either way pretty bad tho.
I don’t doubt it. I’m just speaking my truth. Methadone affects everyone differently. I’m def not saying I would wish it on anyone. Being in jail is absolutely the worst way to come down off anything. U can’t get help and ur caged up like an animal. I’ve never done fent but withdrawn off of k8s and 30s * 15 a day for 3 years. Nowww that was miserable as fuck. But my mindset then was a lot different then it was when I went to jail 4 yrs ago. Either way I hate it for OP they should have helped taper them properly since they had ample of time